Gohan's Ultimate Disappointment - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 23!
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2021
- Dragon Ball Dissection December continues its look at the long series of fights against Majin Boo. After Gotenks fails, Gohan steps up to be the hero guy. However, he not only fails to live up to expectations but does so while being horribly bland. With Boo losing all of his fun characteristics, it's a bland sandwich!
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To use a Wrestling scenario: Gohan enters the ring, swfitly puts Buu on the backfoot and just when you think He will achieve the boyhood dream... the Ref 'Toriyama' beans him with a steel chair. Buu swiftly gets a fast count and Gohan is done. All that build up all that Hype and Gohan is put down like a dog cause it wasn't BEST FOR BUSINESS
He already achievedhis boyhood dream in the Cell Saga.
Seriously if Gohan had won here it would've been very boring.
Neat. Now I'm picturing commentary from the scene
@@JackOfen Yes, and it's also not helped by the fact that Gohan achieved this power-up through a silly dance, not through training or internal development. This section of the story, between Gotenks, Gohan and Vegito really makes me wonder what the hell was Toriyama thinking when writing this stuff or what general direction did he think the story would have gone to, as vague as it could be. I know that it's rare for writers to know exactly where or how the story will end, and ESPECIALLY Toriyama is the kind of writer to do the exact opposite, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that he wrote 3 consecutive powerups as just "fake-outs" despite their relatively careful built-up over multiple chapters; and if he did really consider one of those to be Buu's finisher, then why play out the situation in such a dull way to unsubtly inform the audience "don't worry guys, this isn't how it's gonna end".
@@succubastard1019
I always thought it was his way of raising the stakes and showing how much more amazing Buu is compared to previous villains. No matter the heroes throw at him he survives it until it takes literally the power of every character from the series to beat him. I still think the Spirit Bomb ist the best ending that was possible and everything bedore that was to build up Buu as a villain. That's what I like about the Buu Saga the most, it focuses a lot on the villain.
And since I never really cared about Gohan, I honestly never had problems with this part of the Saga (coming from the original DB, Gohan always just seemed like a marketing tool. since all characters had grown up at the start of the Z era, Gohan was added so younger viewers had someone to attach to. And seeing how many Gohan fans started with Z and not the original when they were younger it worked quite well.)
@@succubastard1019 Its the opposite actually most writers have an endgoal in mind but drag out the point to get there,for example you could tell the endgoal in One piece is for Luffy to become the Pirate King,in dragonball Toriyama never had an endgoal in mind,he just kept going by the seat of his pants,competent editors kept a leash on him and he did not screw up that badly.Here though?The editor let Toriyama do whatever he wants which is why the Buu saga is such a mess from start to finish.
Okay but consider: Tenshinhan's outfit here is /really/ good and the art really depicts it really well all flowing out in the wind like that.
Truths
The 1994 Dragonball Fashion Extravaganza!!
Tenshinhan needs to dress up for the occasion yknow?
It is my fave for him.
I used to love playing as him in Budokai 3 as his alt clothes…Or at least I THINK I was 3, might’ve been 2 or Infinite World.
I remember Plague of Gripes calls this version of Gohan “Chadhan” and just about everything wrong with what people want from Gohan.
My issue with Buu Gohan is that they build him up through the entire arc, saying that he is the new protagonist and even getting a new power up....only for him to not amount to anything. Like if he wants to be a scholar and not fight sure, I can accept that part of Gohan, it just feels like it would have been more powerful and overall better if he had beaten Buu and earned his peaceful life completely imo.
Nah, it would've been very boring if Gohan just won, especially with another undeserved power up by sitting on his ass for 24 hours.
The Spirit Bomb at the end is such a better ending.
Plague is way too hypocrite with the way he treats Dragon Ball. He keeps saying fuck Gohan but when Tien or the female Saiyans are defeated he goes full boyscout and says "Blame the writers please". That's not even even mentioning how he s#cked Venom Snake's d!ck to the point he even said Wikipedia's recognition of the character was bad for crtiic's not liking him.
So in short, Plague is a big manchild.
@@JackOfen Vegito defeating Buu would’ve been a better ending, we did not need the story to be as pad out as it was with the characters making more dumb decisions. Since it was never used again, Fusion ultimately became a pointless power up and again just wasted our time since it never amounted to anything.
@@brandonlyon730 No, it would have been really bad. It's just an undeserved power up with no training or obstacle to overcome. The Spirit Bomb is much better since all the people that we met during the story contribute. Also what kind of argument is "they never used it again" the series was already almost finished, there was no opportunity to use it again. bad argument.
That tank Mr Satan is riding reminds me that Toriyama is god tier when it comes to drawing vehicles. It's amazing the jump in quality when Toriyama is drawing something he enjoys.
The tank in "Sand Land", one of Toriyama's one-shots, is even better.
Pretty much the only redeeming part about this segment is how well Mr. Satan gets leveraged for comedic purposes. By far, he’s one of the best characters of this arc.
Yea, agreed
The buu saga glow up of Mr.Satan is probably the best use of a character in all of dragonball.
Detractors of the Buu arc often ignore how well Mr. Satan is utilized all throughout. As a comedic character he plays to Toriyama's strengths so it makes sense that he's consistently utilized well.
The main difference between Gohan and Yamcha is that Gohan was built up to be important for multiple arcs only to be cast aside. Whereas Yamcha only really had a significant role in his debut arc. They both have similar hairstyles though. And when the Gohan/Yamcha comparisons start, you know things are bad. Both were severely mishandled by Toriyama.
Yamcha was relevant up until he lost to Kami on the Tenkaichi Budokai. After that he was done.
@@bruno17289 After that every earthling was done, except for Krilin in Namek
@@bruno17289 Relevant is a strong word. His main role after his first arc was to be Mr. Exposition and a jobber to demonstrate how "scary" the new tournament threat was.
Thank you for at least taking the jab at toriyama's writing rather than the character himself. It's quite annoying to see so many fans of dragonball absolutely refuse to believe he can do any wrong what so ever. From a writing stand point he just has way too many characters to juggle. I get it. Let's not forget that Toriyama took Yamcha's goal "to find true love" and gave it to Krillin all while taking Bulma away from him to poop out another saiyan. Its blatant character assassination. But at the same time he did throw him a bone as well, giving him some moments like being good at professoinal baseball as a career in alternative to fighting, training with king kai, throwing recoome out of the ring, even beating olibu who was told to us the viewer he's as strong as cell. I'll take it.
@@bruno17289 i felt like the fight with kami was setting up Yamcha gaining a new mentor... he technically does but it goes nowhere which is so disappointing
Gohan even poses like Yamcha after being defeated. That plus the haircuts really shows how much he looks up to him!
it seems picollo passed down to gohan his trait of being the hero guy who shows up in the middle of the tennis match only to be useless by the end of it
He taught Gohan well.
Yet Picollo still has the more interesting personality atleast
I like how you described the series from here on as having become "the Goku and Vegeta show". It's weird to me how much that angle is pushed, and how much the fandom believes it's what Dragon Ball *is*, to the point where Goku and Vegeta are seen as some kind of ironic duo that shape the series, one not being able to exist without the other... and in the actual manga this dynamic makes up what, like 3% of the total series? But that 3% has really been expanded to try and encompass everything nowadays.
Its not weird when Toriyama kept pushing screentime on Vegeta even after the Freeza arc,Toriyama even had Vegeta retire during the of the Cell arc,only to return both to figthing and spotlight during the Buu arc anyways.
@@Thisdude850 It's kinda funny how Vegeta contrasts the previous rivals Goku challenges and proves to be superior to: the others, after battling, finally recognize Goku as their superior and keep fighting for the good of the Earth and to surpass their own limits, even at the cost of the stakes outgrowing them, whereas Vegeta manages to stay relevant and keeps getting stronger because of his unealthy obsession to "surpass Kakaroth" which pushed him to commit atrocities and act like a dunce even when on the side of the "good guys".
In GT, after permanently viewing Kakaroth as his superior, he accepts being behind him, and as a consequence, irrelevant to the story up until the final arc (evne if he doesn't like being viewed as such), but in Super, he sort of manages to compete with Goku because, again, he's so damn obsessed with surpassing Goku (but fortunately he isn't an evil murderer anymore). So as much as this motivation lets the story be partially focused on him, I've always thought it was a bad message overall.
@@succubastard1019 Dragonball does not have a theme or message as Toriyama and Torishima have said.Vegeta is not relevant because of his obsession but because Toriyama wanted him to.
Nobody apparently liked the goku show so they made the goku and vegeta show dragon ball super Saiyans
As much as some fans don't like to admit, GT and the Z movies had a huge effect on the series and its fanbase. A lot of fans of the Goku and Vegeta show are fans because of Mecha Cooler or the Onega Shenron fight, not really because of the Kid Buu fight.
Boo’s absorption really should have been limited to those weaker than him. Then at least it would give a proper reason why they have to fight
Haha I was kinda expecting one last "nobody cares about Chao Zu" joke when Tenshinhan arrived since he once again did leave his friend behind
But I guess we have now reached the point where even Lance does not care about Chao Zu anymore :P
:'(
Thats How hard that Goes
Don’t worry, Lance saved that gag for part 26 if I’m remembering right
@@talesfromthenuzlocke1619 Yes he did 😂
@@bearmanscave3289 Upgraded to “nobody cares about the crane school” given how Dende didn’t even heal Tien
Tbh, if Gohan asked for his Great Saiyaman outfit from Kibito, it would've been so fun. Putting on his super hero style and fighting Buu with a golden age hero attitude would've shown how he isn't Goku and fights his own way. A happy and upbeat hero to counterbalance his anger and vicious attitude as a ssj2 at th Cell Games. All the power but without losing who he is.
That would have been cool. The fandom would probably disown him though.
@@agerard6297 They still disowned him anyways so Ultimate Gohan truly was just pointless all around :(
@@ThexDynastxQueen I dunno, according to comment I've read elsewhere. Some fans think Ultimate Gohan's Fight against Buu as something to respect compared to whatever Gohan did in SUPER, if one cherry picks and manipulates the facts to serve their point. So in their minds, Gohan getting his ass kicked and achieving nothing against Buu is somehow better (?) than getting Goku and Vejita back to Earth (What a cuck!), OWNING Barrygashi (Gohan beat up Buu, look at him now, sigh...), or holding his own against Lavendar (Ultimate Gohan would laugh at him now, nevermind Gohan wouldn't do such a mean thing, or that he has NO foot to stand on), etc.
So the year after Kirby's Dream Land, Dragon Ball gives us a happy pink blob that inhales everyone around. Then the year after Kirby's Adventure, he starts gaining the abilities of anyone he consumes with a slight change to his appearance! Coincidence?!
Kirbo was an inside job
Kirbo the Majin Blob.
Yamcha: «you know Gohan, you and I aren't so
different after all...WE BOTH SUCK and we
have the same haircut and we have the same
scar on the left cheek»
Gohan: «w-what? I Don't have a scar
on my left cheek stop speaking foolishly please»
Yamcha: (looks at *future trunks* and winks at him)
Considering all the Middle Eastern Genie inspired outfits, Toriyama's love for Disney, and the release date of the Buu Saga chapters, I wonder if he had Aladdin on the mind or had just watched it prior to the arc.
It would make sense considering the 1993 Japanese release date, although it could just be a coincidence.
Wow, I never thought of that! You might be onto something!
Literally after Buu absorbs piccolo and gotenks, you could viscerally feel how much Toriyama wanted to throw Gohan into the trash bin so Goku and Vegeta can run the show again. It actually makes me feel sad for the Gohan. Gohan had a ton of development in the span of 4 massive story arcs only to be made a fool out of and replaced. What a waste of a character.
Also bringing in Tenshinhan just so he can get clowned by Buu in an even worse fashion than in the Cell Arc genuinely pissed me off because in the earlier volumes of the Dragon Ball series, Tenshinhan was a martial arts master who had a whole arsenal of techniques, a character who genuinely scared and later impressed Master Roshi and Goku, and now here he is being made into a punching bag for Buu.
Literally the way Toriyama treats his characters in this section of the story is genuinely disappointing beyond belief.
I think he definitely mentally tapped out way before this point in the story and is just writing whatever comes to mind, we know he CAN write amazing stories, i feel like he had the pressure of outside companies and $$$ to make it the Goku show again
@@sumpyori We're really still gonna push that "outside things forced Toriyama to bring back Goku" shtick? I thought we were past this. If there truly was some behind-the-scenes stuff in play, I highly doubt Toriyama would've felt right describing his editor at the time as being "a more lenient editor" (especially after all the Cell arc fiasco).
Gohan's character development stopped after the Frieza arc,after this arc his character has been so random and whatever Toriyama wants,from the random ass pacifist moment in the Cell arc to the goofy teenager in the Buu arc.
@@Thisdude850 Yeah but that was Gohan changing without Toriyama deciding what to do until creating this "Ultimate" persona who is a bigger recycle of Goku than Goten who doesn't do a thing
I would have accepted Tenshinhan at least getting some blows in on Buu through his tricks. He shows up just to dissipate a blast. Obviously he's no match for Buu but if Toriyama was trying to replicate his Cell arc moment this wasn't it. Buu was underestimating him, so I could see him using Taioken to blind Buu and get a kick in. Maybe he then follows up with the multiform with one quarter hiding to distract him while Gohan moves back in.
Gohan doing the Yamcha pose! 14:35
Oh God it just keeps getting worse and worse.
OH MY GOD
Should've gave him more of a future Gohan personality at this point his mom died n he's smirkin even if he's stronger
His mom died, his grampa died, his uncle died, his "other dad" was absorbed, his brother was absorbed, and you are telling me he didnt get angry?
Don't forget videl also died the fact Gohan still toyed with buu instead of finishing him off is ridiculous
@@robertcobb3634 that’s the lesson cell taught him that’s y it’s so bad
@@Jose-se9pu Been playing DBZ Kakarot and Piccolo tells Gohan his emotions got in the way with Cell so he should train with Vegeta to get a handle on that cause sure Piccolo, Vegeta is the poster child of tranquility 🤣
So this version lowkey blames Vegeta and it kinda makes sense as Ultimate Gohan loses so hard just like Super Vegeta lmao.
9:09 Gohan shit-talks Boo for being うすのろ, but ends up getting tricked by Boo BEFORE he gets Piccolo's intelligence.
I always wanted to see Gohan being a strategy based fighter, I'm not even talking the regular kind of strategy you would see in early Dragon Ball, I mean like something similar to the overly exaggerated twists and turns you would see in a series like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for example, it would feel different and nerdy enough to fit with him, while also providing more variety to the battles.
I guess Toriyama might not be the best writer to write an entire fight based on characters tricking each other into believing that they're either failling when they're not, or making the other do something that will help them in their next attack, but now that Super is here and there are a lot more writers, I wish we could at least see one of them attempting at doing it
A Gohan that fought similar to Joseph would be pretty dope
@@ChaddyFantome Gohan:Your next line is...
I think the problem is that the fighting system Toriyama already established depends so much on having more ki meaning you are pretty much better at everything. There is one time it's subverted with Trunks' Ultra Super Saiyan form making him too unwieldy to catch Cell, but otherwise there's not too much room for logic battles. There's not much room for different flavors of fighting or abilities when all the good guy characters just use ki to do martial arts and blasts.
Not only is he *really* smart, he was trained by Piccolo, who is always presented as the more tactitian warrior of the group...how he is so reckless and stupid, is beyond me.
@@Jose-se9pu that's easy the Goku in him is what makes Gohan so reckless and stupid whenever he gets a huge power boost.
Yyyeah honestly this portion of the arc always aggravated me. It’s the pure embodiment of Dragon Ball's most infamous tropes mashed together into a few pages. And this is also when the next generation idea, which seemed really cool mind you, gets thrown out the window completely, and not helping that the Earth literally gets BLOWN UP. AND we get to see what is practically Gotenks but just as a grown up.
As much as I disliked Toriyama at this point, I dont think that was his intention, the editorial kept getting mails demanding (and we know how japanese fans "demand" things) for Goku and Vegeta to come back.
@@Jose-se9pu This is actually just a myth that was never confirmed by anything ever. And mind you Toriyama did say more than ones that his editor during the boo arc was the most chilled one. And given how Everyone knows about the many changes in the Boo arc its pretty clear that if editors interfered here so would Toriyama have said it.
@@Jose-se9pu That's actually not true, this was all Toriyama.
I know people speculate that how bland Gohan is here is a result of his rage being removed in the process of his power being unlocked. I think it would have been interesting if this scene had more in common with young Gohan's fights, with Buu being completely destroyed until he realizes Gohan has abandoned strategy and taking advantage of it.
Super decided to claim that was what happened all along with Gohan getting cocky.
But then again, it's Super.
People will always come up with excuses to justify lazy writting.
@@williamharmon4039 I mean, is DBS really wrong? Gohan could've finished Buu quickly, without the insults and whatnot and just end it right there. Instead of letting Gotenks try and power up, Gohan should've just said no and finished Buu off right away.
And Gohan was also cocky in the Cell Games too which DBS also alluded to.
@@dususbakahyahskahwbwm9113
Let me rephrase myself.
It's not untrue, but I wouldn't be sure if it was intended to be the case back during the original Dragon Ball run. Super can be rather iffy with continuity at times and Toriyama's writing style tends toward a more spontaneous approach.
But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter and it makes sense with context and hindsight and I'm just some random internet person talking nonsense.
I always liked Buu’s absorption the best out of any transformation techniques and it led to some cool non-canon ones in the Budokai games like Cell or Vegeta getting absorbed.
Also there were some really cool panel transitions in this episode, great job!
He's easily the best transformation villain in Dragon Ball!
Oh yeah those what if absorptions are peak
Yeah, his method of transformation really is cool. I have imagined a whole DC vs DBZ story and one matchup I considered was Buu vs Doomsday where it'd end with Buu absorbing Doomsday. That would be an awesome and intimidating transformation as far as I can imagine.
I find it funny how Budokai 1 had to basically steal how Buu's transformations work when it did an AU where Cell absorbs Krillin.
Poor Gohan. He really was thrown aside by Toriyama. And it’s been the Goku and Vegeta show ever since. Well into Dragonball Super.
Ridiculous that they never could find anything to do with him. Not even as a scholar role, maybe he could’ve helped Bulma with his brain. But nope, of course Dragonball pushes everyone aside except the strongest guy.
Except GT, where even Vegeta was useless making it the Goku solo show.
@@DBoy38 And Pan
@@spritvio639 Still it was Goku who ultimately defeated the enemies.
@@spritvio639 I'll never forgive GT for replacing Goten with Pan
@@joj5150 saw the seeds of that being planted by the end of z. Goten was more focused on dates than training. Perhaps Goku & Vegeta would have been too, had they grown up in different circumstances... & yet even as GT became Goku time it was still written (in my opinion) better than Super.
Ironically, Mr. Satan will end up being way more of a savior than Tenshinhan is in the end.
Yamcha was my favorite character until Gohan was born. Gohan was my favorite character for the rest of the series. And yes, you're completely spot-on about how both characters wind up being let down in rather similar ways.
Tien's appearances in this arc are so sporadic and random, completely absent in the first half, shown reacting to a couple of events and then randomly turning up to save the day for a second here.
Next part we'll starting the final manga volume, we are truly in the end times.
I have this theory that Mr. Satan is the true protagonist of Maijin Boo saga, and everything else is misdirection. Think about it, he begins as a shameless charlatan, and ultimately becomes a true hero by facing his fears, befriending Boo, and convincing people of the Earth to lend their genki for the genkidama. Ultimately, Satan receives more character growth than any other character.
Mr. Satan and Vegeta are the MVPs of this arc.
@@ThelronFjord yes I agree with Satan. With Vegeta?...I am a fan of him. But it doesn't make up for his early fiasco...
@@ThelronFjord Yeah, no on Vegeta. The Buu arc ultimately happens because of him, him coming up with the plan that finally killed Buu is just him fixing a mess he caused.
Toriyama renegs on his rules way too often in this arc for me to follow the story without getting annoyed. It made no sense to bring Goku and Vegeta back when Gohan just needs to outlast the fusion in Buu for 5 minutes, hence why the fusion rules get changed again. This was the storyline where writing by the seat of his pants finally caught up with him
Toriyama was always lazy, but here he just doesnt even care anymore.
Gohan should have been wearing the Saiyaman outfit. It would have worked better as his "hero" clothes than mimicking his father's so much. It would have tied into the beginning of the arc better as well.
Either that or go more stoic/tactician route atleast making some use of his intellect while wearing Picollo's clothers
I don't see the issue of him wearing the same gi as goku it's more appropriate there 🤷♂️
I won't lie, I remember when watching this on Toonami for the first time, I stood up and cheered when Tenshinhan showed up and knocks away Buu's attack. Even if he does get kicked away later, the framing, Ten's new outfit, it's all good just so *cool*
I do like super buus absorption plan, it's different from just killing everything but making them live within him to use their skills for his own purposes. That is just evil.
Solution to these problems: have multiple enemies that each individual character (or small group of characters) have to face until they can meet the big bad.
The whole Babidi ship could have been that, with Kuririn, Piccolo, Yamcha and 18 fighting their way through enemies the Saiyajins can't due to circumstances and everyone can have their character development arcs without the story devolving into the "Goku is better than everyone" show!
That's the same thing I'd hoped the Tournament of power would do. And I guess they sorta did that...except the fights themselves were mostly boring.
Hilariously it took them until Dragon Ball Super's final arc to realize that may be a decent idea, and well... it's the Tournament of Power arc.
You know, I'm starting to notice why I became less of a Toriyama fan and more of a fan of... well, a bunch of other Shounen Writers from this era (Togashi, Araki, Kurumada (To an extent), Inoue... I could go on really).
Faxxs that's a great idea
Shit the cell games shoulda been like that instead of a bunch of cheer leaders watching a fight
So basically do what Yu Yu Hakusho was already doing as I've often said cause it works? I won't spoil it but YYH does this and uses Ki as a tool set not a stat so everyone has their own specialty so no 1 protag can beat them all.
Fans be like "Can he beat Goku tho?" and I'm like Yu Kaito's Taboo skill could end him just as it would Yusuke and at least to me this need to strategize/prioritize characters based on skill sets not power level offers more enjoyable fights but DB at this stage did not want to be that series.
14:35 How fitting that Gohan makes Yamcha's death pose here, since that was the point that both of them ceased to be relevant.
An astounding amount of people forgot Tien actually shows up for this figh, lol.
I didn’t because I have SUPERmemory
"Admittedly this is Dragon ball where 5 minutes can last weeks but still!" That cracked me up XD
It's sad that Tien doesn't even get mentioned or shown dying like Piccolo and the sons do. It took me decades to realize "Oh, he dies too!" Toriyama truly does not give a shit about him.
The most disappointing moment about this fight is that Gohan was built up to have his full potential strength finally release and in the end it accomplished nothing as similar to his fight against Cell when he gained SSJ 2, he let his overconfidence get the best of him leading to Buu gaining the upper hand.
Thats why I don't get some Gohan fans saying Adult Gohan should have been more like Teen Gohan SSJ2 to make him better.. ummm Ultimate Gohan literally is that, including fucking up royally because of his edgy arrogance/overconfidence, only difference is Cell was dumb enough to finish things off with an attack that can be countered with another charge up.
“Is it engaging that he has a smug smirk on his face? Is it engaging that he insults Boo’s intelligence that one time?”
Well based on how the western audience remembers Ultimate Gohan I would say yes lol. Ultimate Gohan pretty much just flies on the rule of cool. He looks more badass than normal Gohan and says a cool one liner. That’s pretty much what’s enough to keep a Dragon Ball character popular.
I've heard a bunch of people who think Gohan called Buu a retard (got my Japanese-speaking sister to check it out and he definitely didn't, more like moron). But they'll get ANGRY if you say he didn't, they're super attached to that line. It's like the second most common insult on the internet but these people act like it's some god-tier roast.
@@qoyote See the funny thing is when I said a cool one liner I wasn’t even referring to that one. “Fight you? No, I wanna kill you.” is a way better and cooler line that’s still edgy while also being far less offensive. But yeah it’s a shame that other line is translated that way when there were better options.
11:34 "I'm getting tired of the villains not having any more of a motivation than 'I want to fight the strong guy'!"
"But Vegeta, I wanna meet the strong guy!"
"Nappa, just kill them first and-"
"But I want him to SEE us kill them!"
Maybe this might sound cringy but I think Gohan acting the Saiyaman persona again in this fight would have been wayy better than being the middleground of Goku and Vegeta in personality
No it doesn’t sound cringey
Everyone has compared Gohan to Yamcha at one point or another.
Starting to think Yamcha and Gohan could be Best Friends. They started off Strong only to be a Disappointment.
This is the part that cements the Boo Saga being the fault of the Supreme Kai. He's done a number of things earlier that got everything to this point. But the fact that he is COMPLETELY AWARE of the fact that Majin Boo can absorb people. Yet says NOTHING to Gohan about it. You would think that with a skill that useful. And with Goten, Piccolo, and Trunks at the battlefield. He would warn Gohan about the technique. SMH
To be fair is not like Supreme Kai would have a reason to think Buu would do it seeing how he hasn't absorbed anyone for the last billion years .
@@nicholassims9837 He hadn't done it, because he was sealed away. There's no reason that he should think that Boo might not use it. Especially if Gohan starting beating him.
@@kevinlee9929 no I mean in those times when it was Fat Buu and Bididi . As Fat Buu seemed more interested in turning people into candy ? Plus unlike Cell who is dead set on absorbing to be done perfect Super Buu doesn't have that reason to absorb as he doesnt really have a " Perfect form " .
@@nicholassims9837 There was no one around for the Fat Boo to absorb then. It wasn't needed. He had already seen the Fat Boo do attacks like Kid Boo such as turn people into candy and use his body as a weapon. He would be completely careless to assume something like that. Especially considering how many things he had already assumed that he miscalculated or was flat out wrong about.
@@kevinlee9929 well what was he supposed to say" oh Gohan Buu can also absorb people be careful?"
Much as I enjoy the Buu arc overall, it is definitely the worst in terms of writing. You constantly get the feeling like Toriyama kept changing his mind throughout the whole thing and had even less of a plan for the story than usually. Nothing has time to breathe. Things are set up and then discarded. Characters are propped up as the heroes only to be replaced. Plots are started and then replaced. Arbitrary rules are introduce and then ignored or contradicted.
Gohan is attending high school and has to keep his powers a secret from Satan's daughter!
No wait! It's a tournament arc now!
No wait! They have to advance through Babidi's spaceship!
No wait! It's the fated rematch between Goku and Vegeta!
No wait! Maybe they can defeat a villain by teaching him that killing people isn't supposed to be fun!
No wait! It's about the younger generation becoming the new protectors of Earth and Fusion being the new amazing technique that will help defeat Buu!
No wait! It's about Gohan stepping up to the plate!
No wait! Tenshinhan is here!
No wait! Now he's not!
No wait! It's about Goku and Vegeta putting aside their differences and fusing!
No wait! It's just Vegeta getting the crap beaten out of him while Goku saves the day!
The entire arc is constantly moving to the next thing at a rapid pace. And as I said, nothing has time to breathe. We barely get any decent interaction between Videl and the rest of the Z group and she's just another face in the background almost the second the Buu/Babidi portion starts. Piccolo and Goku aren't given a moment to grieve Gohan's supposed death. Mr. Satan is barely an actual character in the arc until the final moments of the arc with the Spirit Bomb and saving Vegeta. Gotenks doesn't learn from his cockiness that lead to the death of all of their family and friends. Hell, the entire Buu arc seems to happen within ONE DAY as at no point does the sun set nor does it ever become night time.
But Gohan stayed with the Elder Kai for like 25 hours to get his potential unlocked.
In short, Gohan becomes The New Poor Dolt.
I'm kinda surprised and disappointed you didn't mention that this is HUGE character regression for Gohan. At the end of the Cell Saga, Gohan is overconfident, and his fucking dad dies because of it, and everyone else almost died, and Trunks died, Goku screaming that Gohan should finish off Cell because his desperation makes him far more dangerous. You'd think that'd scar him for life with a lesson, but no. It's literally the exact same thing again. Only it makes him look like a total idiot. Also, you'd think he'd feel great shame over the Cell thing, especially with Chi-Chi, but no, it's not a story element for some reason.
This was more Gotenks' fault than Gohan's. I think the reason people blame Gohan more than they should is because the anime handled the lead up to the absorption differently. In the manga, the way it plays out creates the impression that Gotenks' appearance and subsequent absorption happened way to fast for Gohan to react to; while in the anime, Trunks and Goten take the field and Gohan actively lets them fuse and fight.
Ultimate Gohan is simultaneously the coolest and lamest the character has ever been.
I mean, I feel THIS is the reason why those alternative forms are never really used in media, yet they usually default to fat buu, evil buu and kid buu...
I've already observed that in some of the Dragon Ball Kai credits sequences! I guess it's because absorption is nonlinear and has no "ultimate" form as MistareFusion points out, but it's kind of boring always getting what's essentially the same design just at two different ages.
Gohan's neck is 4x thicker than his arms
Gohan beating Buu: Yah Gohan!
Gohan let’s Buu evolve: Boo Gohan!
Gohan gets absorbed by Buu: Buu Gohan!
Actually replaying DBZ Kakarot, I saw that "Mystic" Gohan's character model gives him the "innocent Son Goku eyes" when idle, and not in combat.
RIP Gohan. He was done dirty
You reminding me of the tennis matches in the last three arcs really makes me miss the fight with Vegeta in the Saiyan saga, where they didn't need constant flashy power ups to make a fight engaging just good old tactics, teamwork, and tension.
It's been so long I forgot about Yamcha and never noticed the similar hair styles he had to Gohan weird it's expected to happen one in a while but strange that it happen twice with the same people.
Yeah my roommate once wondered how Yamcha was able to take on Super Boo.
Looking forwarding to seeing your thoughts on Vegito. We all know the story about how Toriyama had wanted Goku and Vegeta to fuse, but the movies beat him to the punch with Gogeta, so he made the Supreme Kai's earrings into a fusion item so he could make his own Goku and Vegeta fusion.
I don't think he'll like Vegito much. I mean his fight is a curve stomp and his plan upon revisiting doesn't really make much sense especially against not risking it and just wishing everyone back.
I dont think Toriyama wanted them to fuse, he wanted both Goku and Vegeta to remain dead, that was the whole point of his arc.
my money is on he hates it
its such a boring one sided fight that goes no wear
@@scottgrasser9737 Excuse you, but Candy Vegetto was one of the best parts of this arc.
@@ThelronFjord I agree. Vegeto scratches the same itch that Gotenks does.
I wish Gohan could have been more himself in this part of the arc. It makes me sad as someone who loves Gohan. He becomes the leader but at the cost of Gohan. And then he loses. The way that Gohan falls is...sad for me but I think it definitely starts with how lost the Buu arc seems until Goku is revived.
Manga: Heres Ultimate Gohan for yall to save the day!
Buu: I'm turning you into bubblegum puddy to get stronger!
Me: Well...scratch another hero. I swear there's more heroes in this arc than a typical Justice League comic!
Tien showing up just seems like a classic cliffhanger ending and surprise show up to throw off the fans would probably were expecting goku or vegeta
What a waste of Gohan. Toriyama makes everyone think he's dead (his mother died THINKING that), he comes back to beat Buu, only to lose to a really dumb reason.
I think having him pull up and get the dub there would have been less satisfying than the spirit bomb ending but there's no reason Gohan's arrival and victory couldn't have been constructed to be more complete because the only thing the ending accomplishes is rounding out Vegeta's character arc which was already finished in The Frieza Saga.
Also I seen you on Mekkkah's channel 🗿
@@kylefields3951 hey, nice, some db/fe overlap.
Can you image how cool would it be, Gohan needs to be healed but Buu won't stop the beating. Then TenShinHan appears and attacks... and then Chaoz, Yamcha, Krillin, Roshi, 18, 17 they all sucker punch attack Buu one by one while hiding so Videl could grab Gohan and take him to Dende.
Heck, I'd love if Bulma gets on it too by crashing her ship on Buu or something.
Ultimate Gohan looks like a rough draft version of Vegito (artwise) before we get the better version..
Wouldn't it be funny if Buu can only plan all of this becouse Piccolo tought him what an hour is? xD
Ooh, love it!
I appreciate Tenshinhan's appearance is how down-to-Earth it is. Its not a flashy kind of intro, but just a close old friend coming to offer solid support the best way he can, his pose and outfit are badass but unfortunately its just a glorified cameo and that is where the compliments end. He gets cheaply knocked out and then...is kind of just forgetten about, I think Dende heals him in the anime, but he literally just vanishes and dies anyways when Kid Buu bombs the Earth. See! I barely even remember what happened. DBZ Kakarot completely omitted his scene from the game, so what does that tell you? Sad state of affairs, for my favorite character.
I think there is an elephant in the room that everyone seems to miss:
Think about all the techniques that Tenshinhan knows. Is there any technique that would work especially well against a demonic being who is too strong to beat in a fight?
Its really Sad that the Story completly forgets that Tenshinhan knows the Mafuba, heck even in Super he could have been the one who would use it on Zamasu, instead of Trunks learning it via Phone Recording or Goku Learning it just to never use it anyway.
@@Spongycentrefox I thought the exact same thing when I saw it in Super. Glad to see I was not the only one :D
Still cool that they brought it back, though.
@@Spongycentrefox Hey man don't diss the video. Piccolo is just trying to get on that grind for Godtube.
Yay Tien! Showing up for one second and then he's out. All he was good for was deflecting an attack and being present to tease the idea of a potential Goku/Tien fusion.
It sucks to be a Tien fan from old Dragon Ball... ;-;
The best thing about Tien in this arc is the new outfit.
I think this part of the story isn't Toriyamas fault but just kinda the consequcne of the story being about fighting a single very strong guy and not having many B plots like idk dealing with fallout or a secret technique that can't beat boo but will give a huge advantage or if boo had minions that needed to be cleaned up.
Even Cell tried (keyword being tried) to mitigate this with the Cell juniors, wouldn't it have been more interesting if Buu split himself into more versions with different types of personalities/quirks for the side characters to fight?
This is negative character growth for Gohan, this power up basically brings back his weakness he had with SS2 vs Perfect Cell. Gohan cannot have power advantage over an enemy without becoming an idiot and he didn't learned his lesson in 7 years.
I really was expecting for Gohan as he grew up learning/schooling to grow a brain, become more stoic and fight more strategically/intelligently (I guess I just wanted him to become Picollo 2 lol).
Wow, I thought I remembered everything that happens in this part too… but I always forget about Buu disappearing for an hour.
This slander of Fred's name has gone on for too long! I WON'T STAND FOR IT! But in all seriousness, I think he gets better when they make him more goofy and oblivious. Mystery Incorporated Fred is easily the best Scooby Doo character ever.
Mystery Inc. Fred is the greatest thing ever. Legitimately hilarious yet also an honest to God well developed and interesting character.
10:36- also similar to Gohan, once Super Buu absorbs Gotenks/Piccolo and later Gohan himself, he loses what made him unique- a sinister, but silly oaf that has a dangerously unpredictable temper. From here on, he becomes discount Cell- an arrogant perfectionist that relies on absorbing others to become the strongest while becoming more humanoid. Except it’s lacking the charisma and nuance that the original Cell had, leaving only an insufferable twat that doesn’t fight/act any different from previous main villains before him. And it’s really noticeable in Moro in Super when he does the same thing if Super Buu didn’t hint this.
Buu doesn’t become interesting again until he’s literally lobotomized and he’s reduced to an unpredictable and mindless killing machine.
And still, Kid Boo isnt insteresting, he is just a new concept, which was refreshing at the time.
And Cell was just a discount Freeza.
I'm glad Tenshinhan turned back up to help especially after it was said he would never see them again
I think one of the most damning thing about Gohan is that...he doesn't really have anything cool in terms of fight choreography. As a kid he was...well the only kid. That coupled with the huge surges of power when he's mad was basically his trademark. now that he's more mature and has his anger under control he's just...a strong guy.
Goku is very inventive and creative and while he doesn't have a huge library of techniques like other characters the way he uses the techniques he knows is always engaging (ie. Firing a kamehameha to propel himself, firing a kamehameha with his feet, remotely controlling ki blasts under water so he can hit Frieza with a feint, or combining kamehameha with his new instant transmission.) Goku manageds to take the same old attacks and still make them feel fresh.
Vegeta by contrast is there for all the boys who just wanna see somebody wreck shit. He's aggressive and skilled, to the point where his most iconic moves are A giant ball of ki. A giant beam, and just throwing as much ki at the opponent until they die. He makes a pretty decent contrast to Goku in that regard in that he's a lot more straightforward (I'll admit this characterization is more to do with late Frieza saga onward cuz early on he also had quite a few interesting techniques that kept you guessing)
Then there's characters like Tenshinhan, Gotenks and Piccolo who just do a lotta weird stuff. Rather than every attack being a bigger beam most of their fights revolve around trying to doing really cool stuff that, admittedly, usually end with them just firing a big beam at someone, but it makes their fights a lot more engaging to watch.
Then there's current Gohan. Who does none of those. Yes current Gohan is the most basic out of all the characters I mentioned. No interesting techniques like Tenshinhan and the like, no pure aggression like Vegeta, and not as inventive or creative as Goku has been. He's just sorta...there. Doing the fight. Like he's strong I guess? I guess he's kinda cool. But he's absolutely not engaging. There's nothing to how he fights here that makes you say "ah this is Gohan. This is how Gohan should fight"
To be sure, current Gohan got intelligent. Whereas his earlier fights were just hit and power, in the US Arc, he decided to put his brain into it. Using his SSJ to radar Lavendar's position in the Expo fight, using his punches to levitate Botamo off the ring, realizing he had to have Obuni hit him in order to get him physically, having the brain to play along with Freeza in his trick against Frost, having Freeza use a laser cage to limit Dyspo's movements. If you noticed, aside from Bergomo, Goku in this Arc relied on power-ups and force to remove his opponents.
@@agerard6297 I think Gohan being a "smart" fighter would work better if the writers themselves were smarter. Insomuch that there's not anything you said that I couldn't picture Goku not figuring out in the manga. Or not quite as pragmatic as say, Frieza saga era Vegeta.
Then again I just don't think Super is all that well written in general.
"Ultimate" (or "Mystic" ... whatever it is) Gohan surely is cool to play as in games such as Budokai Tenikaichi 3 and Raging Blast 2...
But yeah, in the actual story, he amounts to nothing but yet another red herring... not helped by the fact that this was Gohan's last showing in the original story, and that the outfit really makes him look too much like Goku.
I love Tien but I thought his part on this arc was so useless that for the longest time I was convinced it was filler for the anime. Only recently I found out it was in the original manga since I never read the Boo part of it
I hate what happened to Gohan, but the problem with him winning is it wasn't his story. Not only was he gone for so long, but his increase came from him sitting there, not training. It would've felt very unearned and underwhelming. He would've had to've been present for much more to earn it.
How I would fix gohans moment in the arc is by making him the one that took away all of buus absorptions out of him and then fighting kid buu on his own and having a little redemption and development. But then we would have to keep vegetto as a character forever
i, often wondered of many actually prefer characters remaining the same, if not, stagnated.
Those "negative traits" the character has is what people likes about the character. What defines the characters to many.
Take those "traits" away by "development," then what does the character have left? Not much that people care about.
Honestly I assumed tenshinhan's appearance in the anime buu arc was filler since it really added nothing. But no its just original manga material that adds nothing
Can't say that I blame you for thinking that
It’s been pointed out in the comments already but I’m interested to see what MistareFusion thinks of Vegito, a character a majority of the fan base I would say likes for the most part (even if a portion of them do it on a superficial “cool fusion strong haha” level)
Edit: LMAO and as soon as I write this MistareFusion puts up a post with the next vid being called “Vegetto: The Bootleg Gogeta”.
I wonder how Vegetto is the bootleg. Even if Gogeta appeared first he had zero personality in the movie.
Eh, i would argue the majority of the fanbase DO like him on the ‘cool fusion strong haha’ level. It’s no coincidence that the strongest characters are always the most well liked.
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! The rage instantly built in me will turn me into a SUPER HUMAN! How dare he!? HOW DARE!???
Personally I wished it was what actually killed buu himself, but of course the story has to continue to pad itself out and ultimately it is never used ever again in the series, so it felt like another pointless power up with Goku acting like a big dumbass again for caring more of himself then the fate of the whole universe and all of his friends and family that are all dead at this point.
Vegeto is pretty much "Gotenks, but boring"...not to mention, it was something forced to Toriyama both from the editorial and fans, not something he wanted to make.
"KIKOHO!!!"
"BAHAHAHA!!! THAT DIDN'T HURT IN THE LEAST!!!"
And with that, I throw up one final tearfully laced fist pump. The last time one of the OG Z soldiers does something...or attempts to do something. Sigh, this is probably the highlight of the Buu Arc for me. Damn I've waited years for Lance to spotlight this fleeting moment. Now I has a sad. Aww wells, back to your regularly scheduled OP fighters.
Hey at the least Tien tried?Piccolo has only been an useless comic relief babysitter during the whole arc.
I've been playing DBZ Kakarot and thru the Cell saga Tenshinhan has an existential crisis over his usefulness and strength that doesn't get dealt with cause....manga.
It's so sad as in game it's easy AF to get stronger than Goku, just keep training, so much so the game will nerf your party at certain moments. It's honestly too accurate of a experience of not being the MC :/
To add insult to injury on Tien in the anime version, it actually shows Dende healing him and him getting back up, but he disappears for good until the Kid Buu fight and even doesn’t go to watch the Vegito fight alongside the others? Really? What was the point? As for the Chiaotzu absence, well, we stopped caring in the last arc.
He went to gi get some McDonald's.
Like we ever cared?
@@spritvio639 Hey everyone's dead, so if nothing else it's free food.
How come Goku couldn't fuse with Tien when he was knocked does it only works if both parties are consciences?
When I first watched the episode of Gohan fighting Majin Boo, I kept dozing off during it. It was THAT boring. Gotenks at least has creative techniques and a funny personality, but Gohan is just a blunt instrument used to bludgeon Boo for a while, then he's ultimately outsmarted by a guy he called a "retard." How pathetic.
Really, Gohan never had a chance at successfully being the main character because he never came into his own as a character. He's always been the "child prodigy" character as well as a tool used by someone else whether it be Piccolo or Goku. Gohan's fight with Cell is really the most sabotaging thing to his character because he obviously wasn't ready to have the torch passed onto him as evidenced by him constantly needing pep talks to get the job done, 2 from his father and one by some robot he doesn't know. The Cell Arc wasn't about Gohan at all and did nothing to further his character development before that point. And even though he does defeat Cell, it's more like Goku defeated Cell using Gohan as a proxy, so Gohan didn't earn the win and is still nothing but a tool to be used. Gohan never gets his own agency in the story and is too passive to be the protagonist. He never gets to be himself, only what others want him to be.
The Great Saiyaman is cool, however, it's abandoned before it gets a chance to get off the ground. Who knows how it would have ultimately played out if Toriyama stuck with it, but it's probably wouldn't have worked out after all because of Toriyama not giving Gohan his own agency before passive the torch onto him. Another thing, Gohan allegedly wants to be a scholar, but what that actually means as far as the story is concerned is never elaborated on, so it's never becomes more than a thing that gets said and ultimately comes across more as something Chichi wants for him than what he wants, which adds to how he's just used by others. Since this arc started in a high school setting, it was a prime opportunity to add substance to Gohan becoming a scholar as we could learn what area of study he's even interested in. What brings him joy? What motivates him? What does he want out of it? How can he apply that within the series itself? None of that happens, none of those questions are answered, and he's ultimately stuck having to be something other than himself, thus stripping him of any charm or personality.
We do know he does care about innocent people getting hurt (goku the nameks) that could feed into the hero arc but it’s forgotten
While I get that Gohan's showing is a serious disappointment here, a few rereads made me conclude that, contrary to a popular critical opinion (which I presume you'll touch on next week?), Gohan *didn't* screw this up. I get why he'd come off as a cardboard character. When it comes to Buu's plan, though-that's *all* Gotenks' fault. He blabbed about his weakness to Buu and failed to finish him off because of how much he goofed around. While Gohan was fighting, he actually had his guard up the whole time, reacted pretty quickly to his surprises, and anticipated the course of the battle. When Buu returned, Gohan was ready to finish the job. That's when Gotenks came in and fell hook, like, and sinker for the bait, and even Piccolo's super-hearing apparently couldn't pick up on the frequency of Buu's goo...?
I'd argue that Gohan ultimately losing this bout is what results in some concluding he regressed to his Super Saiyan 2 self by being overconfident. In actuality, his confidence was perfectly reasonable and wasn't what led to his failure. When Goku returns, though...that's when he's truly, *embarrassingly* sloppy, and I can't fault anyone for laughing off his showing there.
not to mention in the anime Bee's barking didnt set of any red flags
Yes it is, it's his fault in the same way it is everyone's fault for the Androids last arc. In that if they had acted sooner they could have prevented everything to come. Gohan could have killed Buu right from the start instead of toying with him and in tern prevent everything that happened after.
As much I love tenshinhan as a character, I have one question in this part of Buu arc in particular....Why bother? Like why bother bringing him back just so he can get clowned by buu? It's like the writers need a character to even help gohan in the first place, besides in GT, He only got like a good 10/15 second screentime...This is the first of many examples how toriyama treat the OG cast after saiyan saga, They only just be irrelevant for one part only just to get there ass kick to filled in the scene more. It's just sad really How Once were fucking badass duo for me (Yamcha and tenshinhan I mean by that) become absolute jokes after Cell, They only just appear for a single plot purpose and that's all, sure you all could argue Super's filler episodes and the later mangas kinda give them abit more care but really..the damage has been done, It's like how the whole purpose of SSJGB being calm got drop off literally after it's established
I know that when buu absorbs people he tends to gain a bit of their personality and in that becomes a bland villian, but wouldn't it be more amazing if, the more he absorbs the more primal he gets. Acting more and more like a child?
One thing I never got was that fat buu is playful because he absorbed the grand kai, but then super buu absorbed him; so shouldn't he be more playful since he now has his personality inside him?
More so, the more people you have inside you, the more personalities mix and by that point your personality would end up being the most consistant shared between them; the primal parts, since buu here has piccolo and gotenks inside him; so he would act more like a smug arrogant, playful child (like kid buu). Unless personalities don't mix and only gain the best aspects from them (which is what is shown here), which would beg the question, what is fat buu's best aspects? If anything he'd become kid buu the moment he absorbs him.
Maybe it's just me, but the absorbing personality thing and the pacing would be far better and fun; if buu became more and more child-like, which can lead to the kid buu form with a nice flow. Gohan has always fought smug, evil villians. I don't think (at this point) he ever fought a literal child with a man's body. It would be funny and exciting.
Mistare Fusion, you probably won't see this, but I wonder how the story might've unfolded if Goku really did fuse with Hercule before Vegeta showed up since you pointed out how narratively strong and rich the Hercule and Buu dynamic is.
-Well we know that Gokule is basically Hercule, but with all of the power and understanding of Goku. So the fake world saviour and the real world saviour become one and Hercule gets the chance to personally save not only the world but also his dear Daughter and his precious friend Fat Buu.
-It just fits surprisingly well the more I think about it like the whole thing goes full circle. The Buu saga started with Gohan and Videl, but both of their Fathers' shadows loomed over them, and by the end, they both literally come together to save them.
-The fighting style would be pretty unique considering how underhanded Hercule is compared to the humble Goku, but we got some supplemental material to bridge that gap. But imagine SSJ Gokule going full-on Hulk Hogan on Super Buu.
-Vegeta probably would've still arrived, but more as backup and a straight man.
-In fact, once the other fighters get back on their feet from inside Buu, Hercule's treatment could change from an annoying hindrance, but as a member of the team after fighting side by side with some of the Z-Warriors and rescuing them.
- (Just thought of a scene where Hercule from the Gokule experience and has now come to respect Gohan due to Goku's memories and influence, convinces Gohan to change into the Great Saiyaman clothes as a superhero should and the Great Saiyaman gets some credit with Hercule in the public eye. This is just Gohan no longer mimicking others, but fighting as himself)
-We could even see Hercule re-evaluate the ways he views Martial Arts and restore the Budokai Tournament to its roots and former glory, but now better than ever.
-Heck, imagine Tien acts like Hercule's bodyguard for the rest of the Kid Buu fight since he can't really help much any other way and afterward, they form a partnership with that goal of restoring the world martial arts spirit in mind by Tien making Hercule's dojos more authentic
-One person making a difference in the world is the message the Buu Saga then sends, loud and clear.
Dragon ball definitely needs more tien. Give him new powers too
I never actually caught that super buu starts taking a nap when gotenks unfuses as a part of his plan to absorb him at the most optimal time.
I mean, Gohan insulting Boo's intelligence does make him stand out a little as "the nerdy guy" who's more disgusted by Boo's lowbrow attitude than the rest.
Haven't even started the narration yet but have to say that new intro is GORGEOUS
15:00 I mean...I get annoyed when Gohan clothes don't stay ripped up but thats for different reasons that I doubt Buu shares.
Anyways don't have much to add except Mr.Satan is way too damn charming, he's doing his best WHILE holding onto a puppy! Ugh stop making me love you, you stupid ridiculous man! 😩
Found this series a few weeks ago and accidentally caught up. Awesome lol
I feel like I'm the only person in the fanbase that doesn't really care too much about Vegito. Like, he's strong and funny, sure. But I don't really have anything to say about him beyond that. He's a cocky fusion that causes funny moments, but he's following the heels of Gotenks, which makes him feel derivative. I guess he has an energy sword, which is kinda neat, but eh...
The one thing I like about Vegetto is how he was able to still fight as a candy. It makes no sense but it was funny. That and he has the best fusion design. I wish all of them combined the two sum of their parts clothing together.
Great stuff, brutal but fair, also ugh Vegeta >< Woulda much rathered a Tenshinhan & Goku fusion, now that would be fun!
Yeah...except Tenshinhan & Goku's power levels are way too much different to be credible as a fusion unlike Vegeta & Kakarotto (= Vegetto).
@@798jeremy Not really, the Potara earing doesn't require them to be equal and Tenshinah and Goku's base powers are probably very similar, if anything I imagine Tenshinhan would be significantly stronger and then they still have Super Sayian, plus Kaio-Ken and Kikoho.
Also his name is Goku.
Thanks for the December fun! Looking forward to more of it!
it feels weird to see another upload again so soon. as someone who never got to celebrate holidays before, i can at least appreciate this gift
Aw, you dont?
7:51 my favorite part about this gag is that he pulls a pistol out of his gi, right around the same place he got shot in earlier.
He must have armed up while wandering through ghost towns after that incident!