Phil Hellmuth said THIS about Alec Torelli | Hand of the Day presented by BetRivers
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2023
- Phil Hellmuth doesn't give out compliments often but he gushed over this fold that some are calling one of the best cash game poker plays of all time. This hand between @ConsciousPoker and Chad Holloway is an instant classic.
Good luck to Alec Torelli as he enters #day8 of the #wsop2023 #mainevent!
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100%... I love that Phil is willing to give Torelli credit out loud -- even while everyone else at that table hasn't got a clue what or why that happened.
Phil seems to be getting alot more likeable in his old age
@@evanmannion3276 Look, I like his burst outs like many of us. But as the years go by, you know that is the way Phil is. He is like a friend with flaws, you have learnt to accept because he is a great guy.
Everybody’s an expert when you can see the hole cards.
Hate to say it but that bastard is absolutely telling the truth.
Lolol
Phil has big upped Alec on so many hands. And rightfully so. He just barely missed the 2023 final table (Alec).
Good fold,3ways with initial risers behind you,3bets shows how strong his hands is.
Phil was hilarious!
No flush draw on board, so the raise isn't a flush draw/combo draw semi-bluff.
Straight draw will call, not raise.
The only raising hands are bluffs and made hands that are either (a) way ahead of 99 or (b) not paying off on paired boards.
Raise is very unlikely to be a bluff ... this spot is way underbluffed.
Reverse implied odds are horrible with bottom set.
I like your analysis good sir 👍
You don’t think people raise open ended straight draws?
@@Opxbest Not 2nd to act, on that board.
What do you make of J 10s or 10 9s? Holloway was the guy calling the action. Assuming he plays like suited connectors that make two pair on the flop. Isn't that both a raise to protect against giving the re-raiser draws on like QQ, KK, AQs, AKs, 88 or 77 while also gaining a lot more information by raising whether he's possibly running into a flopped set (or Torelli playing like KQ?)? Information that could save him money on the turn and river, also a raise that could win him the pot right on the flop, a raise that could win him more money in case he hits a full house (or has runner-runner to a flush with SUITED connectors) and a reasonable wager in order to gain all that information in case he gets re-raised on the flop and has to fold?
Apart from traditional/rather cautious play, there's also the chance of getting called by AJ, top pair with a straight draw so any blank 2-6 also helps him, especially if it's the same suit as the one he holds. Assuming the most likely scenario, a fold from at least Deeb, Holloway also buys himself position for turn and river play with the raise.
Back to Torelli: first I want to consider pre-flop action. You talked about made hands that are way ahead of his. That would only be JJ, 10 10 (both highly unlikely given preflop play), Q8 (a bit unlikely to call both the raise and the re-raise), 8 7 and KQ. KQ is the only hand here that is both realistic and way ahead of 9 9 once we factor in pre-flop action. 8 7 is possible but unlikely. And even against K Q, Torelli got 7 outs plus runner-runner to full house left.
I think a flat call and pot control on turn and river also makes sense. The second to last big factor in determining whether to call or fold here is the opponent for me. If it's a tight-aggressive player, I'm definitely leaning fold. Against loose-aggressive, I'm 99% ruling out a bluff into two pre-flop raisers out of position on this board. Against loose-aggressive, I'd assume a medium-strong starting hand that turned into a made hand on the flop as the most likely scenario. That range includes K Q and 8 7. But it also includes Q J, J 10, 10 9, K J if it's a loose-aggressive player. I gotta ask myself here whether I'm willing to possibly risk a lot of chips on turn and river - but I would evaluate the situation as likely being ahead on the flop, with lots of potentially dangerous cards on the river. Anything from K to 8 are scare cards for me here. 2-7 and A are not against a loose-aggressive player (ain't just calling AJ or AQ pre-flop and ain't raising A8, A9 or A10 on the flop against two guys who raised pre-flop). Odds are better than 50/50 to hit a good turn and river in which case it's check-call/pot control for me. What's more, runner-runner with a 'blank' (22,33,44,55,66) is check-call on the turn and then a value bet on the river or a check-raise/check-check - for a huge payday against the ENTIRE realistic range. Even if the opponent folds against the value bet or it's check-check, I'm good. 7 on the turn is a bit problematic but I wouldn't be too scared of it. While a loose player could have 10 8s or J 8s or 8 8 in his range, that's extremely loose/nuts to raise on the flop, I wouldn't believe it. 7-7 runner-runner is another great outcome. 7-8 on turn and river would be problematic and one of the few hands that costs me more than just the call on the flop. But short: I'm leaning call and pot control/seeing what cards hit on turn and river vs a loose-aggressive player. It gets trickier vs players who are capable of anything/mix up style of play a lot.
The final factor: my own image at the table. How likely is it that the opponent confronts my aggressive play with a more aggressive one? What happened before? Was he strong in those situations or not? Did I punish him for being too aggressive? Did I re-raise? Did he fold to it, call, shove? Probably a very minor factor in this situation as the players seem to be pretty deep in stacks/early in the tournament.
A10 of spades doesn't raise there? Or any Pair/Open ended Straight draw/Backdoor Flush combo draw? Without the context i am assuming this guy was just a turbo nit in that case much easier fold and wasn't thinking this deep lol
Just had a hand at the WSOP where the same thing happened....only my opponent got there on the river with his set.
And this guy was close to the final table? Jesus.
Right? Lol I couldn't stand him at the last 2 tables at the wsop so annoying.
Agreed. Was hoping he would get knocked out and the announcers were making fun of him as well. If you search him, he was a little rat in a poker session that was aired. Hiding chips.
Hellmuth is a genius
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@@evanmannion3276 Helmuth is a ring game donkey wtf u on?
Story of my life one card away and aww one day is your time I said yup sat
A check, call for a full house to rail an opponent is worth way more than burning 1100 post flop.
Poker Nerdling Phil
Without knowing the stack sizes, it's hard to evaluate the play. If they were massively deep or short, you might want to stay in.
Torelli is so awkward, the way he folded face up no one knew what he was doing
Phil wouldn't fold. He would've had a meltdown like always.
"He called with Queen Ten, Hon!"
@@Gruvs33 he went all in with 9,10, 2 pair at wsop and got busted by higher 2 pair at Wsop main event this year. He would've never folded a set. He just wants everyone else he plays to fold to him, so he encourages for everyone else to fold. He isn't fooling us.
he has made big fold before
folds that you wouldn’t do, so stfu !!!
you are a casual poker player and he made millions playing poker, maybe that reality hurts you 😎 when you match his achievements then you would feel a bit better about yourself 😂😂😂😂😂😂
and no I never read replies 😎
Many players would have done that "modest" reraise with 4 to a straight....such as Ace-Queen....
I love Poker Brat.
I would love to play phil
Sometimes if you check your set for pot control would be ok too. If he bets low with his straight and you call and the board pairs, bingo
The issue is not 99 bet the flop, why KQ raised? You have pure nuts, why not just flat, the next guy may have AA going nuts All in. You may need to take a little more risk to make them fire 2nd shell, then you JAM the board, Also 99 could check the flop, control the pot. Because 99 has lots of outs to hit boat.
The answer to this one is actually quite simple. King queen raised because he knew that to really had a strong hand especially if you're leading out first to act. You have to think king queen doesn't want to worry about the board pairing and then be put in a bad spot
@@JoseSantana-pq3uconly 1 outta 3 times KQo gonna loose to a set on that flop. You don't suppose to play scared man, when odds are in your favor. He should just call imo to extract more value. Alec folded there because that guy is a weak player and he will find better spots to win against him.
Even the events leading up to it then a guy goes off in Vegas that I've seen seen me 3 or 4 times the body changes and blast I tripped woah
Now your officially advised and inspired to play
WHY did Phil so reluctantly add "and ladies" lol
I trip live i usually lose flopping the straight cause I push all in
I even got a fold department till
We are stuck racing for the win im the bubble fine
Why not see the turn and evaluate?
I guess its a good fold in the sense that he was losing when he made it. But how do at least not see the turn to see if the board pairs or if he makes a bad bet on the turn and give you odds to see a river. Though, maybe he thought his opponent had a higher set. IDK
Over bet
It's good to know that you would call such a high percentage of the pot more than your equity to pair the board... If you think he has the straight it is an easy fold. That said, I probably would not have given him credit for the straight yet, but then again I have no feel for how the villain has been playing.
The guy must have a reputation as a nit who would only dare raise a bet with the nuts.
You have to think about the reverse implied odds. Not to mention what if he is up against an opponent that had Jack 10 on that board?? And then the turn is another 10 or Jack now it makes it hard to call off with bottom full house.
@@JoseSantana-pq3uc that would be a spot where you are way ahead and worried only about their outs. Right? If you think your opponent is making this move with 2 pair and you are folding your sets you’re gonna lose a lot of money I think…
The professionals said even canceled and re sent which I mentioned but I duno if that ever happens so lmao its been one year and im waiting still. Save your breath by then im happy on something else after being over it
In real time, Phil would've shoved all in and when he saw the guy had a straight, he would stand up and throw his chair at him.
Don’t get your head stuck in the door Phil.
One day I did tell the cops only thought they had was all us to resolve it in a situation im still gonna be broke jobless
You can easily spot the simp at the table. 😆😆
"And... and.... and... AND..."
Even afraid to go all in but not in the smaller one
Now I wonder if thats the play.
They understand my concerns i said thank u that helps
"Only I would have done that?" Jesus, I haven't played live poker in years, but Holloway might as well have just screamed "I HAVE THE NUT STRAIGHT!" with that massive overbet.
What massive overbet?
A good player might have made the same bet on a semi bluff.... it is just polarization sizing.
3x is a massive overbet?
It’s a shame for everybody else that you haven’t played in years if you think a 3x flop raise is a “massive overbet” lol
I once snap folded 10-7 face up to a single bet early in a tournament on an XX- 8-9-J runout..dude was nice and showed the Q-10. Everyone at the table was like WTF how do you fold that. I was in the zone that day.
66 on button in 1/3. Preflop bet to 15, call. Flop is KK6. Check check, turn is Q. Check, I bet 25, he snap raises to like 200. Instafold face up and he’s like what??? Shows KQ. We were pretty deep towards the end of the night, but I wasn’t risking the other 1k+ with bottom boat
Reminds me of the Doug Polk fold w/the same hand and board
Have you ever done similar folds and been wrong?
How do you end up playing a trash hand such as 10-7?
@@fullor9395 maybe bb?
I come to the thought it never happened to anybody else or it wasnt posted and its because im brandon rich you have to predict these things to even help me thats gonna happen to my name
No more tells im a fish
TBH that was a donk fold, you have 2 call atleast once and hope hitting quads or the board to pair.....
Exactly. Why not see the turn and evaluate?
I just work ill be okay even letting that go I understand
Guys no where does it say somone waited over a day or a day
He just mucks but I'd call for the board to pair on small bet. I'd just call. Am I bad.
I turned two games into all your dreams tilt calm down then wana play and calm and my boss quits we go home and end of that cause I couldn't beat him for one try cant
He said you beat me on a break and yeah im at the final two tables but you beat me I said yeah I know but I gotta go he said ok
I love Phil
Hellmuth is so irritating and condescending. He couldn’t bring himself to compliment another player without insulting multiple other players and bragging on himself at the same time. Having said that, he was right this time so we just have to let this one go. Let’s just be glad we weren’t sitting with him when he saw the replay. LOL
Does anyone look upset.... no.... you know why because everyone knows he is just playing with them. There is no one at that table taking any offense to what Phil was saying.
Hellmuth is the best tournament player of all time. Nobody gives him respect even after 17 bracelets
@@_Coffee4Closersit's not because they think he's playing with them, it's because everyone knows he's a self absorbed moron and nobody at the table respects him
@@BenDover-kb2thhe’s the best NL tournament player of all time and that’s excluding the high roller and super high roller events.
@@_Coffee4Closers Sure they are. They just know that’s what he does. He basically said “Most of you are stupid”. Hellmuth is entertaining as hell and it’s not the end of the world, but he’s being an A$$.
The anger me I said I wish I was bit coin dumb and sent recived and it worked
Even my no tips I said they got the right to the frustration others get then I got the right to quit but I ant yet im not saying I am
Who is the blonde i recognise her from somewhere
Phil got checked.😂😂😂😂
So I got my hand of the day in live chockataw casino sorry the spelling right. I get jacks 2 tables left probably 300 players deep was. Jacks below chip average but chips guy acts raise a reraise all in. I get stuck on. Call or fold. Basically ended up am I ahead maybe good enough I call. Guy folds 88 other is all in. Ace 8 siuted and he had the bad news of my jacks they held. That woke my stack up to start about 3 hours later dominate poker
I flop a set made bad all in to his flush he calls I threw my set to the cards in front the dealer then said if he mucks I win after he refused to show but I said just show it later even he did the flush how well I knew
My plea is i hit my boat abd I get a big bet or he makes big lay down as well
I duno why he hit me like that I walk on other side of coffee table mouth open in shock
Im just nope not allowing anger
If im rich your welcome to all my play departments
What I'm curious about is why everyone who is saying he made a horrible fold or Phil doesn't know what he's doing is watching UA-cam instead of playing high-stakes poker.
Phil it's probably too busy counting his money and polishing his rings, to have read your comments unfortunately.
Can't do cash app on this card i posted it
They all wanted to live u all want to live thats how i think it and it isnt a joke
I would have called trup nines 🤷🏻♂️
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Like it is now just the bitcoin buy fee 45 cents to move then the 3 buck withdrawal then the few bucks to instant pay
No more tells im gonna check the statistics
Then it's not that its that. Right I try that then im in shock it isn't that so I dont try to predict what it is anymore
I said Richard never the ipm again but I like it no they disrespected me and the management didn't bavk me
Thats what money meant to me at the time which was nothing
Angle shootin' Torelli
Bad fold, only 2500 to see the turn, the guy could easily raise JQ or TJ in that situation. You will get crushed if you always fold a set to a regular size raise on the flop!
He has 35% and his price is 35% think this is a great place to call, he must have though he was against a bigger set, but that is gonna be wrong more than it is right.
He doesn’t get to see the opponent’s hole cards when he is at the table, so he doesn’t know he has 35%. He could be drawing to 1 out for all he knows.
Straight draw is not raising. Bigger set most likely or maybe 2 pair
@@Dialectic42 yeah I know how it works. I’m saying that when you have a set you have at least 35% against everything other than a bigger set..
@@CurleyJeffersonS Really +35% against a potential straight or flush??!!!
Why did he fold?
It's a 3 bet pot. He gets raised on a v wet board after betting out with a player still to act behind. What hands do this? TT, JJ, KQ and I guess JQ might - so you're either beat or running against super high equity. He figured he was behind so he folded
@@samrizza8785 people don't bluff?
@@Frdtsl what's a good hand to bluff with in this spot? If you're struggling to think of many, you have to look toward value. Also, you have to map the hand over future streets. What are you doing if another overcard hits? Or an 8? How happy are you continuing? It's a v tight fold, but it's understandable and possibly correct in theory when you take all these factors into account
@samrizza8785 I still don't get why you fold such a strong hand unless you knew somehow he was 100% beat.
@@Frdtsl and he’s not even 100% beat here. Bad fold
The other part. Im pulling pipe innocent he comes screams me your fired cussing me out screaming get in the f car right now. And thats why
I sat bet out my kings to 99 10 flop I fold possibly bet out bluffed like a blog said to do even
Then we decide never risking thst much stick to 350 maybe 500
Astute laydown Alec, but why not "roll the dice" and see if you can obtain a full house on next card or maybe bluff possibilities if a flush draw possibility arises. Agreed its speculating but you would have stacked him likely with right turn card. Just asking and possibly you had a read or contextual issues arose.
Perhaps, to celebrate this momentous adulation from a WSOP "legend", make a t-shirt that says:
"..OOOOnnnnnly 5 people, Alex T., on the planet would have made that slick move, Bravoooooo". Phil "HellMouth" aka Hellmuth has spoken!!!!!!!
Because his opponent may have had 10-J and his 9’s full would have lost. The point is he knew the only hand that he beats that raises there (possibly raises) is 10-J. Good lay down.
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Some times over those minds I love to talk them into turning around and doing as Said him and my dad some times im right though
Then I said im sorry cause the offense they let it go
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I flop nut straight pls all in flush drawl anything taking my odds
Wasn't me no worries
No. It would have been worth 3500 to see the turn. The set of nines should have checked that flop though. And still after all these years, Phil Helmuth remains one of the biggest tools in the poker world.
Where does Phil get all his gambling money from because it surely can't be from poker....
@@bo3iii He still has a few lucrative endorsements under his belt, I'm sure.
@@willvella3043 My comment was sarcasm. Phil has won around $1.3M this year alone after deducting his buy-ins.
@@bo3iii Gotcha...but Helmuth is still a blowhard and a tool.
More stress any minute now
Who is the blonde girl on helmiths right? I believe I played poker with her the other night
no gamble no future 😅
How well do I know it i explain and thats correct said bitcoin
What a horrible raise on the flop...
I did that way back got 44 raised preflop... Flop a45 with 2 hearts 3 caller utg plus 2 bets 500 i reraise to 1250 korean guy shoves 5k plus the guy who bets 500 reshoves to 9k 🤣🤣🤣🤣 i knew from that action he got fives... 🤣🤣🤣 I mucked my hand face up and i was right 🤣🤣🤣 guy got 55 korean guy got 45 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The guy misplaced a few big chips six years ago, get over it already
agreed. This is the only negative thing I see about Torelli and yet ppl hate him. I dont get it.
Maybe a better play would have been to check the set of 9s on flop, so you can call a smallish bet on flop, and see the turn and IF the baord pairs on turn , the full house gets paid off because thr set of 9s on flop was under repped ?
The other guy could also have TT or JJ then paired board means Torelli loses all his wonga.
So one day the middle finger came out cause my time
Out his play department okay
That was actually a horrendous play. He could have easily called to boat up and stack the other dude.
If he could see the straight he’s up against… what if he’s up against TT or JJ?
Then hè shouldn’t play 99 to hit set and then fold
No wonder so many love to hate Hellmuth. He is particularly loathsome in this clip!!
Old teck it worked every time
Donking flop into 2 players one of which is uncapped with all better sets and nut straights is the worst part of this hand
Believe it or not, donking is a thing multiway. In 5 years it will be standard in multiway pots when solvers catch up.
This particular spot is great to donk and extract value from middle player who must call with pair+draw but can never ever bluff raise here... hence the excellent fold. If you check-call or check-raise you make it an easy decision for middle player. Whenever you put your opponent in a tough spot you're playing well.
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