Alec Torelli vs. Daniel Wolf: The Unedited Video (Poker Night in America)
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Here is the raw unedited video of what actually happened on Poker Night in America between Alec Torelli and Daniel Wolf.
This hand was played in April of 2016 in Pittsburgh and was also live-streamed on Twitch. At the time of it's airing, nobody seemed to have a problem with what happened (not even the rail on Twitch) and not a single accusation was made. It was mainly after Doug Polk distorted the raw tape by taking clips out of chronological order and omitting roughly 10 minutes of relevant footage, that the story went viral.
Now for the first time, the entire hand, unedited is available so you decide for yourself as to what really happened.
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My response to the rebuys at Poker Night in America:
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Alec,
The one thing that I think is missing from both yours and Doug Polk's. The Floor and every one else's tutorial is that Wolf bet into you AND Gusak. Unless I am mistaken Gusak has him covered and is sitting right next to him with all chips in plain view. Wolf clearly knew that he was putting all his chips at risk..... just sayin... Peace
Tony Z
that was weird indeed, but I think I would have reacted the same way. I don't believe there was an angle there, a mistake with chip placement, most likely, but I don't think it was intentional.
a perfect gentleman might have folded due to the situation, but it's still poker and it's still a healthy amount of cash, there was no ruling from the floor, the hand went on, and the offer after it was done was fair if it got followed through.
You guys, Doug and yourself, you should try and squash the beef, we're all human, we all make mistakes, I love both of you guys channels and you are complimentary, you just shouldn't be fighting over this, maybe have a chat together work this thing out, please.
thank you
Angle Shootorelli GTFO
Absolutely the guy went all in and bet into 2 people. Alec did nothing wrong here.
@ConsciousPoker by saying "Ill give you a piece of me in a future cash game" did you mean a free roll of your winnings or just a straight up dollar for dollar staking deal.. which could end up costing him more money. This unfortunately turned poker into something else, certainly not poker, thats for sure. You come off genuine to me to give him a deal but he couldn't say anything without totally revealing his hand strength. JJ 1010 possible AK,KK possible...he played the hand bad but got put in a wicked bad spot. So what did you mean by the staking deal? you probably should've just gave him his money back if you said "You'll win this back as long as I don't die" You should've given him back 10k right then and there. Thats the extra money he lost and you still win a nice pot and you would've been praised.
Will someone please take the goddamn 1-3-6 plo seat
Lmfao
You hide your chips then lie to Wolf when he asked you where they were. Only when the floor asked you is when you fess up, because you realized they would review the tape. Shady stuff man.
If I learned anything from this video it's that all the players who stayed at the table were being rude not just you Alec, but you were the one who had the opportunity to stop it and correct your mistake, but you chose money over honor and are now facing the music.
Couldn't agree less....
I mean couldn't agree more sorry :)
Craig Borrenpohl alec did nothing wrong, this is bs
cwinowich look at ssSuperSoak video on this and see if you still believe he didn’t do anything wrong
Lost a ton of respect for Alec on this weaseling.
The worst part about this whole situation is Torelli's original, deleted video. I think that's what really bothered viewers.
1. They were right here. (They weren't)
2. I just moved my stack around. (No you didn't)
3. I had just won these, and put 'em here. (No you didn't)
1:26 You can barely see the big chips as they are hidden. Alec just fucking say sorry, give him his money back and move on.
Chris R 2:14 they are also clearly hidden!
3:01 - "They were here the whole time" - Um.... no they weren't.. they were way behind the stack! You just moved them up to make it seem like they were KINDA visible.. that is such bs.
The floor manager was useless too. Saying "rules are big chips at the front" then does nothing about it. And says "up to you 2" - Well if that's the rules, then surely Alec is in the wrong here?
clearly an angle shoot... lol.
"You got me covered?" as he pulls the silver chips from behind
"Wait do you have those silver?!"
"yeah did you not know?"
Classic... It was a good call, but a lot easier once he gave away his strength.
LOL. A tip in the book to win $20K more. LOL
The best move in this hand was Jennifer Tilly stepping away. #Class #NotMyDramaNotMyCircus
Yeah except hands where Tilly is the total drama queen herself.
Yeah, so awesome. Love her for doing this
WHY WAS THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION OF WITHDRAWING THE OBSCURED 5k CHIPS FROM ALEC'S STACK NOT DISCUSSED?
If Wolf comes out and says 'i really dont want play for the extra 10k' think it gives away how weak he is, surely Torelli knows Wolfs hands are tied
Not to mention it's the first thing discussed as it totally screws Gusak to do that. Then they even ask him if it's ok, of which Gusak doesn't even say it is until much later. It's like people don't even understand what's going on in the video.
Wrong, Gusak's decision was to call or fold following Wolf's all in, the total value of Torelli's chip stack had only the very slightest thing to do with Gusak's decision. I believe what was discussed @3:21 was Alec suggesting that if Wolf just calls Alec's raise to $2,825 and they "run their equity" that would be unfair to Gusak - which I agree would be unfair to Gusak. But as I stated, I never heard any discussion about pulling the value of Torelli's obscured high value chips out of the pot. This would leave the pot at somewhere around $29k total and could have been run between Torelli and Wolf. I feel this solution would have been only slightly unfair to Gusak. If Wolf had made the bet what he thought Alec's chip stack was, say $15k, Gusak may have called or even gone all in but like I said, the true value of Alec's chip stack had very little to do with his decision following Wolf's all in. Just my thoughts and I's love to hear yours Terence.
After Wolf shoves, Torelli's stack size is irrelevant. The issue is that Gusak was going to shove if Wolf called or folded to Alec's 3-bet knowing that he had an extra 10k. At best, we don't know what might have happened, at worst, Gusek might have been able to take it down with a cold shove. It's clear that's what Alec is talking about when he mentions how Gusek might be tilted by his action getting screwed and didn't want to assume a deal with Wolf would just be cool with everybody, especially Gusek. To the main point, they did discuss it and no one told Alec it was cool. They just left him floundering in his mistake. Hard to make things right when no one wants to agree to anything.
"its up to you" so say 10k less and run it and move on
that sums it up right there. i think Wolf actually was being strategic hoping for a fold (or that he had the best hand, against maybe KQ) and didn't want to make a deal. In his mind he might have read the situation as to his advantage and was thinking that Alec was the one that wanted to play lower because of his hand...a lot of poker players are very deceptive and think about all the angles.
4:14 "I'm trying to help you"
Alec didn't say or do a damn thing to help him lol
angle shoot in my books, you came across extremely disingenuous to me the whole way - suppose it's possible that you were actually trying to be fair, not my gut instinct though
please tell us more about your righteous gut instinct.
what would you like to know my friend?
Maybe hiding the chips was unintentional, but after realizing he likely had the best hand he clearly started pushing for the all in to stand. Couldve held the 10k back and ran it that way. "extremely disingenuous" is a really good way to put it. Really liked Alec, but I think his true colors shine through in this situation. Very shady person.
I agre with you. It may not have started out as malicious, but his clear lack of enthusiasm for coming to a fair agreement makes it scummy.
good instincts, i know alec from high school and hes a sly snake..
To the Torelli apologists: if he actually didn't realize his big chips were hidden, as he claims, explain his statement at 3:00. "I should've said something or put it out there". He should have said something about the chips he didn't know were hidden?
Cmon floorman, make a ruling. Don't let the dude who is possibly angleshooting make the ruling.
I don't think you went out to angle shoot but:
- Chips were hidden from most people to your left of the table
- You weren't correct about where your chips were placed when you told the floor
- Nobody at the table minded if you came to an agreement
- You didn't offer any agreement, despite saying you were thinking about it.
- During the chat it becomes apparent that his hand is weak and you use that information to your advantage
I think this plays on your mind which then leads to the offer after the hand has finished. I presume you have watched this video. If so, have you offered anything to the other player? I'd be embarrassed about it to be honest. I think you should give back the value of the silver chips you had hidden, intentional or not. Otherwise you come across as just another chancer, rather than a class act, which you seem to have been up to now, which is one of the reasons I have been subscribed to you for a while.
Why not just give the guy 10k and square it up then and there?
8:50 Daniel's rarely shoving with AA or KK. QQ is blocked and you can pretty much discount AK because of the way Daniel reacted.
Therefore this is an instacall.
Alec is taking his time because its all part of his act to make the situation appear more confusing than it actually is so as to disguise the fact that he failed to put his big chips at the front
I mean seriously, when did you last hear a pro verbalize so much of their decision-making process?
This is all so transparent that its embarrassing.
#gaslighting #fail
So you're saying that going north, hiding chips, and angling here is an obvious +EV play. Got it.
Perfect! F Alec
“You might actually get away with this...” lol no way does Alec really believe what he’s saying. Why would you ruin your rep for $10K? Alec you are one hell of a poker player that plays the best stakes better than 99% of the world and you ruin your reputation for $10K
4:25
Torrelli -"If I make a deal with you, I don't know if that's right"
Floor-"That's up to you, you're heads up"
Then you ask Gusak cause you know he's tilted...he says he doesn't care...You should've just actually asked the question DO YOU WANT TO DO A DEAL? but you didn't, and you tiptoed and the only way was if Wolfe asked for it, Wolfe lastly said before the discussion ends "it's up to you"...
11:23 "That's why I offered you a deal" ... You didn't offer it actually. On a side note that Keith is a douche for interrupting and just keeps calling time and probably got in the way as they were maybe on topic for a deal.
Alec offered absolutely nothing haha
Make the bet the size of Alec chips minus the hidden chips
Are we not going to talk about how griff clearly wants to stick it to Wolf because he had to pay when he was in an allegedly similar spot? Griff had no money in the pot he should have kept his mouth shut, what an unprofessional man-child.
Yes Griff is the real villain. I hope he reads this comment and feels ashamed of himself.
Terrible mistake by Alec. His high denomination chips were clearly hidden. I don't think he was angle shooting on national TV with AQ. He was not a lock to have the best hand. Wolf is not even partially responsible. You should expect your opponents to have their big chips in view. I like where Alec says in his response that being left handed had nothing to do with anything.
Honestly, part of this is the dealers fault as the dealers clearly had plenty of time to see Alec's chips being stacked incorrectly.
That being said, this is a case of Wolfe not defending what he wanted; he should have insisted on either playing for $10k less if that is what he wanted, or else offered a gentleman's agreement for the winner of the hand to give $10k back to the loser after the hand.
The floor leaves the solution open until pressed to make a final ruling.
So, -0.5 Dealer(s) for not protecting the players from an illegal chip stack, -0.5 Dealer(s) for not noticing Alec adding $5k to his stack.
-1 Alec for his chip stack, -0.5 Alec for adding $5k and not annoucing it, -0.5 Alec for not knowing/forgetting the rules regarding adding to his stack. +0.5 Alec for giving Wolfe and the other players a chance to influence the final decision in reaching the most fair outcome.
-0.5 Wolfe for not being aware of his opponents chip stack before shoving, -0.5 Wolfe for not clearly stating and defending what he claims later to have wanted.
So, overall I feel this is Torelli's error, but both the Dealer and Wolfe made important mistakes as well.
In an absolute perfect world I would presume to pay Wolfe back the equity in the final pot of his hand vs Torelli's hand minus $15k (the $10k Wolfe was not aware of plus the $5k Torelli added prior to the hand without announcing as required).
But in a perfect world this situation would have been caught and defused in the first place.
David Chen The dealer clearly does not have all the time to pay maximum attention to all the players chips' placing, it's already taxing enough to deal out the cards so stop the blame on the dealer you wit.
"If Wolf insists on playing for $10k less, he reveals the strength of his
hand. We know Alec will take advantage of that from the brag video he
made on this hand."
I agree with this. That said, what are the alternatives? Is there a way that Torelli could offer Wolf a "fair" deal, without forcing Wolf to reveal the strength of his hand?
How about offering to just split the pot?
He's gathering information the entire time, and he's saying he's not even thinking about the hand... That's dodgy.
Torelli is a snake, the chips shouldnt count end of story.
3:01 seems problematic
Alec, I follow both yourself and Doug... along with many others. I will say that this unedited version of the actual situation does lend credit your way. I do however, think that given all my years of playing that perhaps you should have just said- let's make it $10/15k each and run it out. I feel that at that agreement no one would have been upset with the outcome. But very happy you put this version of events out, thanks!
Unsubscribed due to nasty faultness, which was so crummy
Even if he was angling it was down to Daniel to clarify the stack, trust absolutely no one at the table and protect yourself at all times.
When humans and money are involved you need to be prepared for anything
Stupidest move to put up a video incriminating yourself just to make yourself look innocent
You're supposed to know how much chips each player has at all times. Or you can ask for a count.
Regardless, Even if Wolf knew Alec had those chips he still would've showed
Why didn't they just split the difference? Run it out for equity and whoever wins tosses the other guy 5k.
Clearly the big chip is behind the other stacks not BESIDES IT LIKE YOU SAID
Alec promising to give Wolf money in the future. The dude is standing right in front of you. Give it to him now! lol
I want to see the 5 hands before this hand.
lets break it down. I was asked to view this video by a friend who wanted my opinion.
At :40 Torelli looks down at his chips and calls 475. At this point he sees his chips and could of done something to correct the way he had them stacked.
At 1:26 we the viewers can see how Torelli has his chips stacked.
At 1:52 Torelli moves his left arm and looks down at his stack of chips
At 1:58 we the viewers can only see a small piece of the silver chips due to the camera view.
At 1:59 Wolf goes all in.
At 2:00 you see Torelli look down at his chips.
At 2:12 Gusak folds.
At 2:14 Torelli asks Wolf " So you got me covered?" at almost (2:16) the same time he is reaching for the 2 silver chips. At that time he flips the 2 silver chips into his right hand
At 2:18 Torelli places the 2 silver chips on the table. And this is when the action stops till a call is made.
IMO, Torelli knew exactly what he was doing and knew how the call would go due to YES Wolf should of asked for a chip count but again IMO he went AI and I do not think more chips were going to change his mind.
Yes both men are to blame for the issue but Torelli is 100% wrong in the way he handled this. He should of fixed his chips once he saw the issue with them and due to him questioning Wolf if he has him covered after Guask folds tells me he knew exactly what he was doing.
Shady. Sure looks like an angle. But even giving the benefit of the doubt, you should have offered to play for 10k less. If someone had a problem with it it , it would have looked a lot better for you because you would have offered a fair solution to him, one I doubt anyone would have objected to. So your lack of a meaningful offer to make things right during the hand, angle or not, speaks to insincerity, My reputation would be worth more than a poker pot.
Hi Gerry, mine is too.
I think if you look at what I've been building for the past decade that's a fair thing to say. That's why what it ultimately comes down to is you either believing that rationally I waited 14 years of playing poker to take my shot on television with AQ offsuit or it was an honest mistake.
Either way, I respect your opinion, and thanks for sharing your feedback.
Alec
Everyone who wants to knows what you did was low class. Plenty of footage out there showing when you actually HID those chips on purpose way before. Low class all the way. You cheated to gain info. That’s a thief.
Alec is lucky he wasnt playing against me because it wouldnt of ended so nicely for this pos!
1, 3, 6 plo game being called. 3 blinds. Sounds like a better game to me. The great game.
The Miami cartel leisure suit does not help your cause.
Definitely not an intentional angleshoot. Even Doug agrees with that much. From the unedited version you can see that the situation was more involved than Polk made it seem and even an entire untruth about Alec's claims to the floor on where his chips were, which is a huge deal when trying to determine motive. I don't dislike Polk, and I equally don't dislike Torelli. I agree that it's sad so much energy has been spent on something so negative from a year ago. For the record, anyone that plays poker with any regularity knows this can happen to anyone. Keep making quality videos Alec, they're appreciated by people who understand the nuances of the poker world.
Go to 2:04 of the video. Wolf's chips are all in, and Alec's big chips are tucked away. Chips are in the same spot at 1:33 of the video prior to Wolf going all in. This basically means that during Wolf's time deciding what to do, he could not see those chips. I'm with Polk in that it was probably accidental, but don't try to save face by pushing blame on others.
All he had to do was fold and shut up, and no one gets upset.
Not sure what I am supposed to get out of this, but from Wolf's position, you admit to having some responsibility, now he is leaving the game thinking that you possibly angled him and your response is to sell him a piece of you in a future game?? If you suspected someone angled you would you give them more money? Not sure how we are to be convinced that you are honorable here.
Wolf should have just kept his mouth shut the whole hand and Alec would have folded eventually. The extra information got him to call.
Whist this is clearly an attempt by Doug to discredit Torelli (a year ago this happened), the fact remains Torelli gained from having his chips hidden. The floor were reluctant the make a ruling "IF I HAD TO MAKE a straight ruling..." and it was clear the floor weren't stopping them making a deal and left that possibility open. No admitting from Torelli that he handled it badly, somewhat understandably but also somewhat too defensively after the fact. He did try to to soften and spread the blame - no admittance or apology for this. The before and after was clear in Doug's video to be aimed towards Wolf and the other players and he includes the showing chips to the floor...a point Torelli harks on about as misleading - it wasn't - both clips are included.
I like both Alex and Doug so don't have any bias. I think they both left out a crucial point here -- the actual hands and the intentions of each player at the time. From Alec's point of view, he only has AQ, not a no brainer hand to get it in with in this situation so does he really want the bet to stand? If he had AA or KK or even AK sure, he probably has a desire for all the money to go in given the mistake, but with AQ, he might just prefer the smaller amount. It's not like he knows that Wolf has AT. From Wolf's perspective, I think the reason why he didn't suggest that they run it twice and play for the smaller amount was that he realized he might just be dominated here and it was much more likely that Alec would fold for the bigger bet. Why else is he not suggesting a different deal when Alec is asking him what he wants to do. Everyone was very results oriented here. Alec did not know Wolf's hand and he in no way had an easy decision to call.
Alec also is a bit guilty in discounting his own video and how it might have caused the backlash. Yes, he mentioned it here, but his video did not come off well and is likely the reason why Doug did his video and also why Wolf got so upset. Hopefully everyone can put this behind them and move on and I will be curious to see how Doug responds to this video.
Don't hide your chips.. Intentionally or unintentionally. Should have manned up, admitted the mistake, and played for ten grand less... Greasy
So clearly out of view here. And he goes on to claim that Polk manipulated the video footage to show that they were behind. No, they were clearly behind. Alec, you're delusional. Be a man and fess and make good on it... cowardly, honestly.
His offer doesn't seem sincere at the end. The dude finally gives in and says "so you want me to take your number" and Alec shuts it down and says ya I'll be around if I don't die.
The silver is clearly hidden. You should have not post this Alec. It makes you look worse.
Don Giovanni that was the mistake part that he clearly admits, why is this still
an issue?
Nope he didn't admit. Clearly you didn't watch his other video. He defend himself by claiming the chips were visible.
Don Giovanni In this video he admits he's at fault.
watch Doug Polks vid about this and watch Alec's other video where he defend himself. And then get back to me.
Don Giovanni, Alec Torelli made a *new* video (about 35 minutes long) within the past three days where he does admit he hid the silver chips. Doesn't absolve him of everything, but it is a change from Torelli's original stance.
Why the big *fat* subtitles? It kinda hides some of what is going on.
When they show the aerial shot at around 1:38 you can clearly see that his big chips were hidden, and not at all where Alec said they were later on. I don't think that was an intentional angle necessarily but Alec 100% seemed to take advantage of the situation big time. The floor gave the opportunity to make a deal and Alec chose not to.
Yeah, your explanation video and this one don't match up... I assume that's why the comments were turned off on that one.
You're putting this story into the spot light too much. Seriously, if you just started posting normal videos and never responded to all the haters, this whole mess would go away. I never thought it was a big deal until a bunch of people started talking.
dmed Doug Polk only does hard hitting serious journalism in his vids. This would have snowballed and ruined Alec's career.
I just want to know where I can buy that jean vest?
I do not think you were doing anything on purpose. I play $125 buy in tournaments. When they start the tournament the first rule is all your highest denomination chips must be visible to all players and must be on top of your first stack of chips or in front of all your chips. Very basic rule. How you do not see even if you did not mean to do this it is still unacceptable. I do not get the left handed argument. I am never going to be in a tournament with you so no worries about angle shooting.
11:12 do you have a pair?
I called you.
SERIOUSLY? Whether you did it on purpose or not, you’re really gonna force him to show the worst hand after all of that. He could’ve at least just showed his hand and let the other guy muck.
bang bang!! been wanting a rebuttal video, let's see what happens!!
IMO if you just flat out admitted and owned up to what really happened immediately then this would of been an easy situation to deal with. Instead you tried everything you could to diminish what you did, therefore Wolf had to be careful how to answer questions and how to act cuz he couldn't give off how strong or weak his hand was. Not only did you win 20k off him but you were able to get a FREE read. You might have not realized it during the hand but after he asked you about your silver chips then you knew damn well what happened and you also know that poker etiquette 101 is to have your largest chips in clear view. If you just owned up immediately then all the other players would of never got involved and you could of saved 15 mins of everyones time.
Look at your malicious look, you knew what you were doing and your defense is pretty weak. I was expecting better defense with the money you have.
Probably an honest mistake that was handled badly, but this hurt your reputation for sure, people are less likely to trust you now.
If you think this was an honest mistake I have some beachfront property on Mars I'd like to sell you
Everybody who agree that Alec was angle shooting, are u really that dumb? It was shove for 400 BB in cash game and Torelli had AQo and for 400BB as u might not know, its not a really goos hand. If he had KK or AA or maybe AK sure we can discuss about angle shooting but seriously AQo?????? It was super tough decision for that amount with just AQo... Go to play live, have AQo and if someone shoves 400BB on you, just call.... U ll be probably dead.... "internet poker specialists".... I dont see how is Alec angle shooting anyway... 20k to him is 10BB in his regular cash game.... So if u guys really think that he needs to do this for basically peanuts to him, then well... its your opinion... Cant argue with that....
Should've just made a compromise and pulled back $5,000 each. Both were partially in the wrong so a compromise to somewhere in the middle would've been the best line to take.
Crap I didnt realize I was subscribed to you still, oops my bad
1:55 the silver chips are placed behind the stack away from over half the table. In the end it's the Wolf's error of not asking for a chip count before spewing off his stack.
Yes, but that doesn't absolve Alec for having his silver chips hidden (intentionally or not) in the first place.
Also I may add that I like how you put the dialog at the bottom of the screen so we cant see how you handled your silver chips!! LOL. Do us a favor and re pot this video without the dialog at the bottom
Offers a piece of himself?..grody man..i think Alec might have been down,maybe not broke..still not a great move..looks bad
Unclear situation, two sides to the story. People with strong opinions BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS should not be opinions to be listened to.
Why is everyone still berating Alec? He offered the guy a deal sure his wording wasn't the best but the whole table was against making a deal so that had a impact on the decision also
It's his fault for even thinking shoving over 200-250 blinds with ace 10 is somehow a winning play. Bluffs are Aj/a q/78 and as a 4 bet not a 200 b b pray
The video doesn't show where his high chips were. Either he is not on the screen or the players hands are displayed on screen and are hiding his chips.
1:26 through 1:40 shows what Torelli's stack looks like while it's Wolf's turn to act
So now that we've covered all the angling shit - did the 1/3/6 PLO game actually get running?
Nothing is ever alec fault in his eyes. He is a top angler up there with rex hunt and john wilson
um yeah. you can see the silver chips well hidden.
whats the point
Hi Ben,
I did make mistakes in this hand which I believe I apologized for in my video. Thanks for understanding.
Alec
When you lied about the position of the chips was a mistake aswell? you lost all my respect....
it doesn’t matter he put all in regardless of what his stack is, he out all in because he thought he had best hand. period, or he bluffed and got caught...
No, let me call $20k with AQ off, since $20k is alot of money..if he just folds then he gives him the respect..horrible hand Alec
Man, I really liked and supported you, but this makes it even worse than when doug accused you. Will still watch your content because it's good but not as much respect for you. But keep your head up and put this behind you, keep doing good work and you might win everyone over again. I hope everyone gives you a chance, people make mistakes, and you got too focused on trying to defend your image... one more thing i know you emphasize on punishing peoples mistakes, but when wolf asked you do you have pair, you didn't have to say I called you, that was brutal. Anyway just an opinion of a viewer.. gl
After careful review of the unedited events, it is obvious that torelli did break one small rule on accident, however the responsibilty lies with the dealer for upkeeping rules and with wolf for making sure he knows whats in somebodies stack before going all in. Alec comes off as very fair, honest and genuine in this footage and just because wolf isnt assertive in asking for some reparation does not mean alec did not offer it. Maybe itsm sucks what happened to wolf but itd be even more unfair to take the money away from alec forcibly plus illegal. Alec offered him some as an open offer in the future too, alec is a gentleman, clearly had no cheating intentions here and even offered to hlp the guy in the future, and i am proud of him. And for all you morons in the comments saying he was clearly angleshooting or that he wasnt fair, you are full of shit and wouldnt know a nice genuine man if he walked up and shook your hand and did you a favor, some of you people just want to burn and hang others for the fun of it wether they deserve it or not. You dont deserve all of torellis kindness and great videos, get off his channel permanently. Hes a stand up guy and did everything one could expect in that situation and more after one small mistake that nobody noticed until after the fact which is at that point on them. Dont let this drama discourage you alec, remember on your journey to the top there will always be haters, just laugh it off youre fine pal, anyone with reasonable iq knows youre fine and is still a fan. You dont need the dummies on your channel anyways.
Wolf, being the professional poker player that he is, should be queued in to any potential hidden chips. I know I am when I'm playing. I rarely say "all in". I just move what I think my oppoent's stack is. Speaking your action can be dangerous.
"I just move what I think my oppoent's stack is."
Please think about how unbelievably stupid this is lol
@@dkizxpt-su3ze your name is unbelievably stupid
i really love all your videos, i am studied a lot with your videos.. but this is something you lost my respect, even if you dont wanted to angelshoot him, how you act is not professional and in my eys and i think in your eyes you are an professional. You should be friendly, should bring ideas to him but you are just saying it but are tilted in the other way.. i think you could be a way friendlier in this situation and show more respect and dont be so angry about something you fucked up.. i know you are a guy which is never saying its true .. but yea you should learn, even when u offer him money back.. how you act during the situation .. nogo
That was a good size raise but both Wolf and Gusak took you as weak. You had to get through 4 players - so unlikely that is a bluff. Do you think they put you as weak KJo? I put AQo at the bottom of your range so they need to rep AKs+. AKs+ should have re-raised the first round of betting in my opinion. Gusak gave away he had a hand so that put blockers on Wolf and you. Not just to get a count on you but to get a read he should have asked for a count. Not an easy call but I agree. When Wolf never asks to take back out the 10K it would make me wonder if he was actually strong. But if you proposed a smaller pot you would be announcing a call and he should decline to get you off the pot. I think you should have taken a smaller pot for risk management but only if he puts it you there. Do you really want JTs drawing out on you? In position I think Wolf had a good enough hand to just smooth call. Gusak I get jamming with AJs out of position.
So the black bar on the bottom just conveniently becomes totally black at 4:03 when explaining sth to the dealer about the chip placement, even though the other black bars were half-transparent before? Unedited, haha.
Maybe homeboy shouldn’t be ripping A10 off into AJ and AQ with sunglasses on indoors??....maybe possibly ya his own fault for not seeing another 10k idk wolf is a sucker tho so according to Canada Bill Jones...
Then also from 1:31 to 2:15 they are in same place. Then when you go to show the floor they are further out. So its a lie. Period.
In my oppion the situation weird because Wolf shoved bluffed with A10 Torelli's 3 bet range and he was caught doing that then started complaying that he did not see the silver chip.Wolf was bluffing with his weak A10 range and paid for that .He should blame himself for his weak play first of all ,had he KK-AA he wouldn't started that complaining s#it .Dont 4bet all in with a10 donk!
This was the best comment on this thread...yet almost no one agrees with it or has mentioned it. It’s unreal...
You are dead on K.K.
How’s he suppose to ask for a chip count when there’re 2 players acting behind him
Theres nothing wrong with asking for a chip count. It's information that should be available to all players at all time. It's no different from asking "how many people are in the hand?" Or "what's the flop?"
Doug Polk is a little smug sometimes. Torelli seems more humble.
Polk put videos of him losing on his channel as well as wins, torelli never posts himself losing. Humble torelli aint'. Polks brash when he sees something that upsets him
@@Tootbook Yeah but Torelli once replied to one of my comments on his videos, when I was criticising his analysis of a situation he was in, he actually considered what I had to say. Polk would never do that.
Alec Torelli is officially disgusting.
1:26 OF THE VIDEO. Look where your silver chips are. Behind, and that isnt where you showed the floor. LIES> Own up to it, forget the rest of the BS it doesnt matter.
3:00 not favorable.
How much did Gusak have?
Since hearing about this hand, I haven't watched another Alec vlog. Slippery like a snake this torelli guy.
The "Yeah did you not know" and "I don't think you have an option" was so immediate that I can't help but think he was hiding them on purpose. The earlier vision has them behind the smaller red chip stack, making them essentially invisible to Wolf. He should have asked for a count, though. Either way, it makes me think that Torelli is a dick.
I think its a bit of both, There was an angle there and you did want to make a deal to protect him a little but all the while knowing your free rolling and protecting yourself..and now watching the rest you were clearly going to call early so that act you put on was awful.
I just don’t see the issue the kid jammed I mean ask for a count
@ 1:31 you can clearly see Torellis' stack.