Did Alec Torrelli Blow It with Two Tables Left in the WSOP Main Event???
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2023
- Alec Torelli has to figure out what to do against a limper. Spoiler: It all goes to hell.
Video editing by: Riccardo Gianfreda
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Torelli should go pro. In football. As a punter.
at least he kept big chips in front
He forgot to hide his big chips and wait for AK... deserved to lose straying from his normal strategy.
Don’t forget he is Lefthanded
I wanna see a spot where a pro does the effective all in on a bluff and leaves themselves like 2-3 bbs behind then gets shoved on and has to fold because they have J high and the other player tables 9 high… it’ll happen one day damnit!
Alec "angel shootin" Torelli!
LOL The Poker Guys are back.
Boy that really went Left for Torrelli in a hurry
Perfect thumbnail
That Torrelli kid has a lot of Matusow in him. Lots of Matusow
Sounds like Matusow’s been up him 😂
Hey turn up the volume on this mix!!! Can barely hear you!!! Hello??????
The _thorough analysis_ never questioned Torelly limping behind PF? That mistake produced all others. Limping behind with KJs three handed table??? While also being chip leader! Boy, ohhh boy.
Yes!! Glad someone pointed this out.Actually I don’t get the disapproval of limping small pairs when early at 20-25 bb.It’s fine because if you raise to 2bb then get raised to 6bb you haven’t really the odds to set mine whereas limp then call a raise cost you an extra 2-2.5bb.
I also was expecting a raise from Torelli,if jammed afterwards easy fold,Joshua rejams easy fold.
Torellis limp encourages big bluff squeezes where you get outplayed.
Torelli raises and maybe Johis even folds 77,Torelli bets flops big enough and He folds
Awful
Pre and horrific on the river
I watched this live. Was not limped utg. He tried to min raise but fkd up.
So in essence he led all 4 streets.
Guys, there is additional context that you missed. Joshi intended to raise. Dealer called our raise but the table realized that Joshi had put out 850k (presumably instead of 1.35M, confusing the 500k and 1M chips). That changes Joshi’s range, obviously. Still a bad call.
With only 24BB, on the button, he should still be ripping it, hoping to pick up the blinds, or double up!
@willh4340 neither Joshi or Torelli were on the btn
If he meant to raise, then Torelli would put him on the range of a raising hand. At least you would assume that he would. I think that Torelli simply thought Joshi was bluffing the whole way and was determined to call him down regardless. Didn't work out for Torelli, of course. Maybe a min raise on the turn would have helped Torelli lose a little less, if he could find a fold to the expected shove.
how do you know that? was it on the feature table? or were you there
@@sonicdeatheater It sure looked like the button was in front of him, but even if it wasn't, he should be ripping 24 BB in ANY position with a pair!
Where the podcast of this gone? Somebody complain?
You guys need to raise your audio levels...
DId the runner up in the main , blow the last hand by speaking ?
you have to shove 77 yes its scary yes you could bust but you got to do what you got to do
Yes, from the start I believe Torelli made many blunders in this hand. 1st, if you're going to play suited connectors and you're in middle position, do you really want to call? Maybe, sometimes, I guess if its cheap such as this case; but in this case you have to factor in that your opponent, who wanted to raise actually and only called due to the chip blunder, you should go ahead and raise to give them a chance to react and show their strength. 2. On the flop, again, with top pair and a decent kicker a raise here I believe is mandatory. On the turn, with top pair and a really good flush draw, a raise again is expected. And finally, calling the river when none of your cards come is really just hoping you've caught your OP bluffing, IMHO.
Agreed with all your points. So: that was a series of mistakes. On EVERY STREET one failure!!
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Funny (sad, not funny!) that the analysts failed to point out on all of these? So, regarding that fact, Torelly's mistakes are not as bad.
I remember watching the main and questioning some of Alec’s play, limping UTG with 24 bigs WTF was that, that’s exactly what you’re not supposed to do and this guy gives poker coaching. I don’t like Alec there’s something about him that rubs me the wrong way.
alec wasn’t UTG. he called a limp which is fine.
@@MrJoosebawkz I’m taking about another hand when he limped UTG.
@@MrJoosebawkz KJcc limping behind in a three handed table fine? It's a strong hand even on 9 handed table. If we add that he was a chipleader makes even less fine.
I guarantee if Joshi shoves the river with 66 and Torelli calls every one in poker world would be like, "good call" "easy call" "standard" "What a punt by Joshi" No one would say bad call.
So, in your story Joshi bets 3 streets w 66.
Don’t be a moron.
That never happens
That’s not even true…
@@joshuapatrick682 Ohhh ok. Now i that i think about it, great point!!
I hated when he gave a speech about wanting to win and not knowing what to do (wasting time) to try get a pay jump, he then doubled or tripled up and then thought it was a good idea for the remaining tables to play hand for hand. I don’t like the bloke.
Guys, Indian here: Joshi is pronounced Joe-Shee, not Jaw-shee. Great insights, as always!
Like Yoshi!!
We're American. We pronounce things however we like
@@JohnSmith-su3ze Don’t be a d!ck. Don’t be an embarrassment to the US People - if you even are in the US, maybe you’re just a troll. We’re literally the melting pot of the world. We don’t even have an official language. Some states do, but as a Nation, we do not. Look up how many languages the Constitution is available in. So, you’re wrong. We do go out of our way to pronounce names correctly. The commentators said it the one way and these guys went with it.
I pronounce it Jo-shy
I’m just so glad he didn’t final table. He’s the most insufferable player in all of poker
playing a 9 way pot with antis, with 1 anti is a hugely profitable spot
GUYS. The problem with Torelli's play is "Just" calling the flop bet.. Why not raise (maybe 2.5x) the bet to show "interest" This call lets a 7 or 8 come on the turn for "free".....
When you have top pair you want hands like 88/77 to stick around on this board. Wanting to fold out 3rd pair because you're scared they'll spike a two outer on the turn is the pinnacle of results oriented analysis.
@@tarbosh917 I don’t think that’s true in the main event. I think you want to avoid risk and accumulate Chips with as little risk as possible.
@TheTree1 the point is, IF you raise this flop, it's certainly not to protect against 33-99. Maybe it's to protect against straight draws, maybe we can get value from worse kings (unlikely). Overall though, call is the best overall strategy as played on the flop because of multiple reasons layed out in this video
@@Coryalan2 a raise is for protection as the chips you win are so much more valuable than those you lose. You can decrease variance with a flop raise here.
@@tarbosh917Pretty sure this is trash analysis. Raising is ideal being so close to final table especially with ICM implications. Otherwise, you let exactt situations like this happen. If a 7 doesn't come, do you REALLY think hes betting into two people on the turn? No. And Toreli makes the same amount as he would have on the flop. At least if he raises on the flop, and gets called, its not his mistake, its Joshi's.