that's what i thought also. i play stellaris with a 6yr old amd laptop and the only time it was yielding low fps was when i created a galaxy of over 1800 worlds. and even then it looks better than this
"This game is a live service" Translation: "This game is unfinished but we want the money but we're a big name publisher with a big name IP so we can't just call it early access because we'd sound like an indie dev, so there you go"
Translation: “This game is not 100% completed but we’re gonna make the attempt to sell it to you anyway. Why? Because we want the money right now. And because we got a big popular IP on our hands that we’re gonna capitalize on because we know damn well that the sheeple who are fans of this brand will bend over for us because we’re making a game that’s centered around their favorite franchise.” Note: I’m have been guilty of this multiple times.
Regarding the cosmetic cash shop, I'm playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 while watching this and it has NO cash shop and tons of unlockables. I love it. How did Activision make something less scummy than Squeenix?
Square is just as scummy as EA or Activision. They just get a nostalgia pass from most people. They're literally making 180 dollars off of a remake of a 23 year old game because RPG boomers cant see they're getting duped. EA and Activision should take notes. Thats how you fleece people and still have them drool all over you like you're a people's company or something.
Kevin Martinez This game I can agree is scummy, but FFVIIR definitely doesn’t fall into the same category. I bought the game and put 90 hours into it, around 45 on normal and another 45 replaying it on hard. I get that the story is split up, but in my opinion it’d be a lie to say the game doesn’t have enough content to justify the price
SE published it, not developed it. You think after FF14, SE would release this shit if they had dev rights on it? Fuck no. Look at FF16, it's led by the guy who flipped FF14 around to make them bank. No way they'd miss that chance of doing it properly. Crystal Dynamics need to be held responsible and if its a case of SE forced them to do this, they should say so.
Are we living in a massive mandela effect in which we remember destiny always being good from day one? To me this sounds like it could be a good Destiny with the same journey and also have the marvel franchise on top but it needs a lot of fixes
@@pascalsimioli6777 destiny launched nearly 8 years ago, and was not preceded by multiple disastrous looter launches. Avengers was, and the fact that it learned so little from its predecessors besides how to press Ctrl+C Ctrl+V says quite a lot.
live service is diet coke of MMORPG's, this game should either been single player game with its own contain story like Ultimate alliance or should of been MMOPRG like FF14, ESO, World of warcraft, most looter shooters are shit or get repetitive, only one i stuck round for was borderlands because story was entertaining and when loot drops the colours omg the colours so much cool looking loot.
@@Ouzzel I know. I dont know where those people are and what goes through their mind, but they exist. Reminds me of the guy who said he preordered Anthem under a trailer. Told him it was stupid, he said no, that the game will be great.
"It's a reminder of how little the game industry has learned" Wrong. It's a reminder of how little customers have learned. They pull shits like incomplete products at launch because they know we mostly let them get away with it. AAA studios follow what is better for their profits. I work in the game industry and in meetings, it's always about "X game did this and made Y amount of money." It's never about why they did it or if it was well received, it's always about how much money it made.
I know companies get shit for their actions and rightfully so but it is also the fault of consumers as well who keep buying into this shit. I mean why do you think EA and Activision keeps pulling these shady microtransactions because in the long run despite complaints, people will still buy their products.
Don't say "we" my guy cause these games are NOT in my library(anthem is literally the only exception and I bought it knowing it was shitty cause it was 10$ and I really love sci fi centered mediums)
@@cptfreeman8966 They are not in mine either and never will be. There is enough good games and not enough time to keep me busy. I said "we" for gamers as a whole. Those games still sell enough millions of units to turn a profit. Let's bring back the time when the most profitable thing was respecting your customers!
Just because he’s been made a joke in comics lately and they’re gonna have BW beat his ass in the movie has people not realizing that, yes, Taskmaster is that dude. If Cap, BW and Ms Marvel were suddenly confronted by Tasky, Cap would be saying, “you two, get out of here, NOW!” He is no joke
@@thisaintit9025 yeah, he can master any opponents fighting style after just one fight or during the fight if it lasts long enough. He can pinpoint weaknesses and exploit them instantly on multiple enemies at once. He can and will defeat four Avengers at once lol in the comics, the villains are actually a threat
You guys have to remember taskmaster isn't a popular villain and is often taken as a joke because of how cartoons on TV potray him for instance, getting beat by spiderman in basic ways or getting easily beat in avengers cartoons and not having a real presence in the movies and with how little marvel fans read comics nowadays it makes sense that he isn't seen as strong or interesting by the majority even if he is an extraordinary and dangerous character in the comics.
Yup, and it was cool when they did it with Magma with X-men Legends, though, because she's a white girl and it was only ok with Jubilee because nobody knew she was Chinese, because Asians are drawn to look as American as possible. Totally not racist, though.
Step 1: Make a game based off of a very popular IP. Step 2: Hype it up by plastering its likeness on anything marketable. Step 3: Make it a terrible live service business model. Profit
@Storm Davis monster hunter world was a big success. I was scared when i first heard about the game. That they were gonna make it too noob friendly and easy, but the game was just made better in every aspect, allowing them to give monsters a more natural AI and moves instead of having the clunkiness require a moveset in mind with that. And I love all the free content they gave, but its just good old MH.. I've played tri on the wii years back and they did the same, release event quests and monsters. good stuff :)
@Storm Davis ima check that out.. seen the notification but hadnt clicked yet, thinking it was some sort of MH stories thingy.. dont hve a switch tho ;(
This game literally shows every single warning sign that the team behind it do not care about the game at all. There is more passion in the Fortnite battle pass screen than in this entire game. This game screams greed, lack of creativity, laziness, etc. Its horrible.
Naquin Green damn you really went on about and rant about the game lol I agree of some of those things but personally the story was great and the game is so much fun! When you learn how to evade projectiles, parrying, combat variation. The game becomes hella fun and also a challenge. I can't wait for the future of it. It has so much potential if they do the new characters justice like the first 6
@Naquin Green First of all I'm not a fan of Online/Live service games. I've never played fortnite or Apex or Overwatch. The only online games I have played are 2 (ok maybe more than 2 but when I say play I mean playing for years) and those are GTA Online which btw is definitely a game I come back on whenever I feel like just messing around with it and the other was a mobile game of Marvel named Marvel Contest of champions and that game I left it for the sole reason because the astounding amount of time I spent on it. It is so fun but so much time consuming same with GTA Online I left it because I wanted to get everything and grinding while being fun it was so much time wasted. That's the reason why I don't like Online games. I just spend so much time on them and doesn't let me do other things I like or play other singleplayer games. I actually prefer singleplayer over online. I'd rather play a fully fletched, well done narrative than an Online game that never ends which is the reason I love this game. Now I know is not a masterpiece of a story but it was great, fun and interesting to see what will happen in the future because this is definitely not the last of the story. That's where my next point comes. The story is continuing in the future with each new character, all of them are gong to be an add on, FREE add on to the story and that's what convinced me. I definitely wanted this game to be an open world game like spiderman but with 6 characters instead, I actually said to myself I was going to play the singleplayer only but after realizing that the game is mostly multiplayer I tried it out and I loved it! So much so I think this is going to be my 3rd online game I'm gonna be playing for years to come if the future holds great things. I gotta say the thing that made me invested on the online aspect was that every new mission and character is going to be free. Then I was disappointed because of the "Battle pass" cards of each new character needed to be bought. Not much longer after that I realized you could buy them from credits you get by playing the game which btw I already have enough credits to buy 4 new battle pass from a character and the fact that I will get the units back makes me even more excited. The cosmetics are not a problem for me because I've never spend money for any game unless is a true DLC, I didn't spend any money on GTA online or MCoC on the years I played them and quite frankly I'm not going to do it on this one either, the game already has so many different costumes for each character so that's enough for me. I really want to see what the next character will turn out to be. I'm waiting for Kate bishop wich is coming later next month to see how the "new character system" works. I want to see how unique they are, how many costumes outside of the marketplace are going to be available and how much length is the new sets of missions also how unique environmentally speaking are. That's what's going to set foot on my continued playtime on this game. I hope I won't be disappointed. Overall the story could be better I totally agree with you, it was so short! It was a satisfying ending but felt it needed more character development and interactions however if the upcoming missions from each DLC will add to it then that just mean it will only get better. I love, no really I love the gameplay. The gameplay feels a little to not repetitive at all. The combos you can do, the powers you have, the uniqueness of each character, the different set of skills, the gear perks. I just love it. I can honestly say this is my dream come true regarding combat excluding gear, that's an extra. If they continue adding new and uniquely combat based characters I'm all in. I can't wait for Kate bishop and Hawkeye. I've been playing for almost a month since the early release because I got the Deluxe edition for it and I can confirm it has been a really entertaining experience. My favorite is Cap and it's great because he is my favorite avenger! No, I don't know much about SE. I've only played Sleeping dogs (Awesome game btw), Tomb Raider and Just Cause so yeah only single player games. I hope they don't abandon this game at least not until they release Blade, my favorite marvel character lol but yeah it is all up to them. They need to make us keep coming to it and release new content worth playing also fix a lot of bugs which is worth mentioning they have already fixed a great amount of them. This game has potential I feel it.
Naquin Green It's free to some extent. The content, mission, characters, locations are all free. Cosmetics, some are, some are not. They are also expensive I mean $14 for a flashy takedown. As I said the challenge cards can be completed by achieving daily and weekly challenges with each character. I have 60+% on each character's cards so I'm almost done with them. Those contain costumes, emotes and nameplates also a takedown and all other resources and loot. I like the incentive of playing each day to complete those challenges and also upgrading your character. It is free to play because you can have fun and improve your character without spending a single cent.
Naquin Green it's going to be more than 6 characters more. I believe they are going to release a new character with their own set of missions each month! Kate Bishop is coming October, Hawkeye is coming on November, there's rumors War Machine or Black Panther are coming on December. January and February could be any of the leaks and on March we'll get Spiderman us PS4 and PS5 players too. I really hope Spiderman will only be time exclusive tbh. As you can see we'll get more than 6 more characters. That's why I can't wait for the future DLC. It's like a mobile game with each month adding a new character but better because each character will have different costumes, takedowns, combat abilities, skill tree and even so personality and character development and they are free and won't have to grind or buy them. No you just have to log in the day it gets released and boom you can play with him or her. Although is funny because everyone is going to be using the new character and while playing Co-op you can't use the same character so I guess I'm gonna play solo most of the time at the first few days lol I really hope you enjoyed the game and the story eventually. Cheers bro
Batman gets an incredible trilogy by rocksteady Spiderman gets an amazing game by insomniac with a miles morales sequel coming soon Avengers gets..an anthem styled game by crystal dynamics....oof
God I wish the Avengers game was a collaboration that somehow involved Insomniac. Also that it was single player and either followed Khan through her origin or had different stories for each avenger that somehow incorporated Khan and one or two other Avengers in order to deal with the main enemy.
I really think Avengers was an impossible task since the capabilities off Hulk to Black Widow to Iron Man are so varied, it's impossible to make a single gameplay experience that is tuned to all of them. Batman and Spiderman have the advantage of only trying to capture the feeling of a single character, and they can craft the mechanics around that. In Avengers, that's impossible, so it was bound to feel a bit generic no matter what. This game isn't great, but I really fail to see how it could've been close to Spiderman or Batman even in ideal circumstances.
Coming back to this review after playing Guardians of the Galaxy in 2021 is so depressing. Obviously the lessons from Avengers informed the design of Guardians, but if this game had been a 20-hour single player game that allowed you to play as different Avengers, it would have been awesome. And it still would have made a ton of money. Probably more than this version ever will!
I played guardians of the galaxy and absolutely loved it but I'm disappointed that it probably won't get a sequel due to the reputation that the avengers game created.
So true bro. Guardians is incredible and most people didn't even give it a try because of this game. Which I also own and it's OK. I've played the hell outta both
You can't even blame people for not giving the Guardians game a chance. That's literally what we've been wanting for years. A company's makes a shit game. Be wary of their next. Because almost every other time, it's just as bad. This just happened to be an exception
@@legojay14 Yeah it really sucks that Avengers hurt the performance of Guardians. But with Square selling off IP and western studios, there's still hope that we'll get a sequel.
dude Guardians is a dope game. if this game had that same model but instead of playing as just one character like you had to with Quill, you could play as everyone, it would be a much better game. i enjoyed Avengers for the most part but didnt finish it because it just got so samey
Yeah the live service $hit also turned me off along with the amount of bugs which I knew wouldn't get fixed before release. I didn't even bother to play the beta either after watching it on UA-cam. If they fix all the bugs & add more enemy types & bosses, multi-player missions need more variety too. Game looks like it would bore me after 2-3 days, I wouldn't pay more than $30 for it.
I already play Destiny, Warframe, used to play FFXIV, tried Anthem and still waiting for Anthem 2.0, I don't want more live service games. It's time to stop! Live services just work with limited offerings. First come, first served! The more people tries to take a slice of the pie, the less they can get from it while the big names take the majority of the profit. At this point only Destiny can be the Destiny killer, like only Warframe can kill itself.
You know, this would've much better as a single player adventure action game rather than some weird mp live service looter shooter but not a shooter game. I mean, the story is pretty solid and the avengers atmosphere is good. It's just the game isn't....
I think there's a world in which live service could've been good as well. I've played more games like League, R6, MHW, Fall BOIS, etc. in the last few years than even some games I would consider to be my favorites of all time like the Dark Souls games. There's a world in which Avengers was akin to Monster Hunter World, a game with massive free updates post launch, epic loot to grind, an extremely fun and rewarding endgame, and maybe eventually a huge paid DLC. Hell, the Avengers already have move sets, if they were spruced up and a bit more interesting they could've been like MHW's weapons with deep mastery for players who want to be a main of one weapon or wildly varying moves for players who want the best tool for any situation (Looking at my fellow Insect Glaive + Hunting Horn + Gunlance mains out there). Live service isn't necessarily bad, it just seems like Square Enix didn't want to justify polishing the game up like 30% more over another year or two rather than releasing the game for all the money in the world now. And the microtransactions are obviously atrocious, this coming from someone who has spent thousands on League.
It should've been a scripted singleplayer game with the option of friends taking the spot of another character up to 4 (or more) and be able to swap characters in mission (like Lego games). No power levels or gear or live service shit
Naalith From a long time MH fan, that’s the difference between MH and something like this.... monster hunter games are released complete, you get a 100% full product at launch. Before world, most of the games didn’t even get any big updates, only some extra weapons and MAYBE a couple monster variants. That’s why I don’t even consider MHW a live service, because it never really needed fixing or adding to, and capcom only put it’s hand out for more money like.... once?
@@Sirrincai well I mean think about it. Most people would chose money over people who will buy the game anyway’s satisfaction. If they delayed it hype would go down so they would probably sell less copies, it would cost more money to keep polishing it and if they took out the micro transactions they’d make even less money. I know it’s not fun, but in any industry money means more.
I know right? At least it somewhat sounds like theres a stable "starter" base to build on, need to remove/tweak some enemies, balance a few things, so... See you all in 6 months to a year when this all gets fixed.
Imagine doing that with MANY other Games as a Live Service. AKA, launch Destiny, Ghost Recon Breaking Point, Fallout 76, Anthem, and the list keeps going on and on.
If they wanted to fix it, they would have. But pretty much all of these live service flops drop service pretty much immediately instead of fixing things.
They called me a mad man when I said this game was a mobile game pretending to be a AAA title. Then I played the beta and I didn't like it, just like when news of this game first broke
Dude, I remember commenting on a video about this game that it was going to suck and people got mad at me saying I was wrong. Well I can now firmly say to those people “I told you so!”
@@NoahDaArk The moment I heard Square Enix were making it, and saw the character designs as well as heard the scheduled release date I knew it was gonna flop. When I saw the trailer, I was like "my 'its a trap' senses are tingling" and everyone was like "nO tHeY are StIlL mAkInG tWeAkS bRo ChIlL" . Here is the thing, for me the biggest tell that this was gonna flop was when I was more blown away by Spider-Man PS4 than the Avengers teaser...like can someone tell me how tf a Spider-Man game had a better teaser, demo, animation, choreography, lighting, gameplay than the most aniticipated conceptual game of all time... This was clearly a money grab rush job in an attempt to compensate over avengers Endgame hype🤦🏾♂️. Also there were so many "secrets" like how you tell a game is going to be good is how transparent the studio is about it. My point is with Square Enix we were getting a lot of buzzword talk no specific details on how it was gonna be(honestly a lot of what they said it would be isn't that way), but with CD Projekt for example they've been transparent as they can be about Cyberpunk 2077(which I believe may not live up to its hype but will possibly be a game of the year contender if not win game of the year).
@@rorisangpitswane3595 Another example is Gotham Knights. The *day* after it was announced at the DC Fandome event WB Games Montreal were like “we’re glad you guys like our game! Here, have some gameplay footage! It’s alpha footage but we’re so damn proud of it we want to share it with you all!” Meanwhile Avengers waited until months after its reveal to show off gameplay. If the developer is eager to show off how the game plays, that’s a positive sign
the subreddit of this game, has convinced themselves that the game is good in the current condition and that it will get better in time. Imagine buying a car with 3 wheels and saying, it's fine im sure the 4th will arrive sometime later.
@@Vidrageon I think that's a very generous way to describe the audience who likes this game and the comics/movies in general. Personally, I'd say they have low quality standards and critical thinking challenges them, similar to the crowd who defends any of the latest Star Wars nonsense (Clone Wars being the exception). It must be nice to be so easily entertained.
19:43 "It's copied Destiny so effectively it will likely hold an appeal to that crowd" statements that aged poorly for 500. And the reason it aged poorly is simple: People who like games like destiny already have a game to play; it's called Destiny. "Live Services" are not the same as real games, they demand an immense time commitment and rely on investment both emotional and financial. If you like Dark Souls you'll eventually probably try Bloodborne, but the reason is because you WILL eventually be done with Dark Souls because it has an end, it has a point where you're inteneded to move on. It has New Game Plus to an insane degree but it is not designed so that the player is EXPECTED to play NG+, it's not designed for it to be played ad infinitum. It's got an actual end and leaves it up to the player when they want to stop after beating it. "Live Services" are not like this because they are designed to perpetually make money and for that to happen need people to play in perpetuity. This is not an inherently bad thing; Monster Hunter World is such a game but it also has an "end" and is less focused on keeping people "engaged" than it is on simply providing more content for players to come back to as they choose with how frequent seasonal events each bring back almost all if not every single past event quest, meaning players don't feel pressured to obsess over the game due to FOMO on said continuously added quests. Meanwhile compare to something like Warframe with Daily Standing caps, the Nightwave Battle Passes, special missions on rotation every few hours, daily logins with specific rewards at milestones such as 100, 300, etc, Relic Vaulting and Un-Vaulting,, timed boosters that follow real time regardless of whether you're logging in, etc. There are so many reasons to feel the need to check in and make some form of progress several times a week if not every day until it's part of your life's routine, and Warframe is if anything one of the more LENIENT examples compared to the likes of Destiny and it's copiers. In short: Multiple "Live Services" isn't feasible, and subsequently copying another live service to a T is absolutely not feasible, because anyone who actually dedicates themselves to such games simply won't have enough hours in the day to play multiple of them.
So, the campaign is watered down for the sake of yet more live service guff, the characters only get interesting to play after the disappointing campaign is over, getting to that point is a slog unless you can play multiplayer which you can't do because it's busted, even if you push past it the encounter design is bad, and if you overcome all of this your reward is to grind faction rep forever? I know you said you weren't trying to eviscerate this game. But I came in with no worse than vague curiosity, and now I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
For Honor actually does cameras really well when you up against a wall. It basically makes the wall invisible in a nice looking way that dosnt look janky.
That was so unintrusive and intuitive that for a long while I didn't even notice that my back was against a wall in those situations, and I actually thought I was genuinely in an open space. Nice little bit of convenience by the Ubisoft team.
Capcom did that a lot in their games. The camera setting inn iconic games such as monster hunter world and dragon dogma are considered as the best. U can fight multiple enemies/a single boss with your backs to the walls with ease
@@Grim_Pinata That's not how it should be though, you should have the reminder you're against a wall so you don't run against it if you need a getaway, for me it has been so long since I played FH so I can't remember exactly how it was.
Wow this probably the most truthful review. The redeeming qualities are when you can play cap and Thor, especially higher levels. I was surprised how fun it was to play cap and throw his shield around, then spartan kick some fool. On the other hand, the enemy designers sucks total ass and everything he says is completely right. I agree with him about the enemies and combat complaints. Without this shit there would be more potential.
Cap can’t break down doors or hack, which is pretty stupid. I was playing one of his own missions last night and there were two different spots I couldn’t get into because of that.
@@EscapeCondition Sadly the game only made 3 years before it's shutdown. And those kind of games where you wait are pretty much the norm with AAA releases. They are uninteresting, buggy and are lacking content at release, but will get better as the issues are ironed out and there is more to do in them. Look at EA Battlefront 2, Look at Ark, Look at Fallout 76, Look at Cyberpunk, Look at Final Fantasy XIV, Look at f-ing Aliens Colonial marines. And as the crowning example: Look at No Man's Sky. (which is actually really good now) They all got better with updates and patches.
“I think (Marvel’s Avengers) has a bright future” Considering that its play stats on Steam are lower than Deus Ex Mankind Divided, that Super Mario 3D All-Stars outsold it in the UK in September despite being released midway through the month, and the general lack of buzz it’s been getting as each week goes by... I’m gonna say you’re wrong here. This never should have been another Destiny clone and players are saying as much with their actions.
I can't help but look at these Avengers models and feel like I'm looking at some knockoff brand Avengers. I get that comic book heroes can't be changed too much but I just feel like CD could've gone with more original looking character designs from their face/body models to their outfits.
I agree. Im enjoying the game and the art but the problem is that they used too much inspiration from the mcu design/ team lineups. Kinda sucks the mcu suits are messing. Oh and boring bosses
@@aliw5894 I can agree on all of that but the gameplay. Gameplay just needs more bosses and different enemy types to fight. But thats my opnion. Also the loot. Holy shit the loot is so bad. The names are generic and the progression is just ugh. Effects and bonuses are cool tho like the pym particles.
With the models specifically yeah I feel like that part was doomed to fail, at this point we all know what a realistic Tony Stark should look like, by trying to keep too close to RD jr it was always going to cause an uncanny valley effect with slight cosplayer vibes if you end up distracted and focusing on it. Wouldn't of been too much of a problem if there was enough content to keep the fantasy alive with occasional jokes about our beloved new Captain Cosplayer.
CaptainYoul Warframe has a great monetization scheme too. I love that players can trade the premium currency with each other, so you can buy gear with money, or grind rare gear and sell it for premium currency for whatever you can’t grind for. Games in this live service genre should take more lessons from Warframe
Well technically he can easily change his out fit but the metal the shield Is made of is very rare so it would make sense he'd still keep the same shield
@@JordanOpitz Like, story wise that could make sense, but gameplay wise why not customize the shield? And other games have his shield change colors, I think. May be wrong on that, so I'll check
I'll check this out when it inevitably becomes free. Game is entirely designed as if it should be. They're collecting the initial money off the launch window but already know it's going F2P. All the systems are already in place.
@@GigglingStoners I agree to a degree. Square has NO issue with going f2p. In fact almost 3/4th of their catalog over the past 5-10 years has been f2p live service games.
I haven't enjoyed a videogame in about 5 years for this reason, the more "muh graphics" the less the fun i used to feel when i was a child, i am here with a rtx 2060 waiting for a good game , at this point it's dificult to say if I am the problem or the industry, this year I only buy Doom eternal I didn't even finish The witcher 3 because i feel it like a very repetitive game, I just want to to feel again that happiness of playing a brand new game as a child.
Alan Alb Yeah if you think The Witcher is repetitive then you probably ARE the problem bro... 😬 that game had a lot of variety in things to do, and the quests were all very diverse with actual choices for how you can approach them.
@@alanalb1449 I must admit, I don't understand where you are coming from. There so many amazing games out there, but these are usually not AAA as they must play it (too) save to get there investment returned. With that being said, saying you didn't find a good game in five years... maybe your standards are unreasonably high? I don't know...
This is funny because I emailed customer service to tell them that the match making wasn't working. They responded by telling me to turn matchmaking off and invite my friends. So number 1 to fix matchmaking is to turn it off completely and 2 make sure all my friends own the game.
That a game of Avengers (one of the most priced and desired properties) is a clusterfuck of bad mechanics, plagued with microtransactions and just a little fun, tells me something: games as a service don't represet a bright future, they do represent a bleak future for consumers.
Do you know about the way bugs get classified during QA-testing? Long story short, everything non game breaking goes on the bottom of the list, everything gamebreaking goes on top. Towards the end of development you hope to have squashed enough of the gamebreaking bugs to start tackling the minor bugs.... But its very clear some games dont make it to that point before release haha. Thats how that stuff gets past testing, it usually doesnt actually, but it also just doesnt get fixed if there are worse problems to be solved xD
In some way I actually like the idea of the robot boss. You fight it, do your best, manage to take it down. Only for the enemy to drop another one in "we have an army of these, we can send more whenever we want. But how long can you continue to fight?"
Love these long form, in-depth reviews. I feel like short reviews don't really get to the bottom of things and still leave a lot of questions unanswered. There's none of that here. Your review fully sums up the game's current state and details how every part of it works. Love it.
Yeah I'm at 27 mins and I already get his review, but there's another half to go? Lemme go and make coffee amd really enjoy the content. Also these are good for long walks to just listen to.
It's familiarity and repetition. If you love a game, you'll play it enough to intimately know all the shortcomings. I've got 3.3k hours in Warframe, so I clearly love the game, but holy shit does it have issues.
@@justinreich2023 I get that, i got almost the same hours on Destiny 2 and Division 2, and i do know of the shortcomings on each game, every game has its flaws, there is no perfect game, but i think that sometimes people hate stuff just for hating stuff, you can make constructive criticisms , but i know some people that just say this game is shit without playing it, or the other side of the coin, people that have 4k hours on a game and totally hate it.
@@justinreich2023 True. When you play D2 enough, you do see places where the game could be improved, bugs, etc. But with D2, at the end of the day, I'm still having a good time, and the game is playable, not just from a technical standpoint, but also from a gameplay loop standpoint. This? Not so much.
Remember when people said Anthem was the basically an Ironman simulator but garbage. Ha who knew how right they were. The Ironman simulator is also garbage.
lol, I actually just got Anthem for $5 on Ebay and have had SUCH a blast. But I choose to start as a Colossus, so yeah, only lvl5 and been using a quad-motor on an 8 second cooldown and a arm-canon whereas the posterboy Ranger class apparently "throws a grenade... _just_ like Iron Man! _prepare for excitment!_" Though the shaper relics really set that game apart for me. Otherwise yeah, I'd probably be mocking it more for the fact that when I kill enemies they just return to where they died and kinda T-pose for a few seconds until vanishing XD
Some things just dont translate well into games, superhero games for the most part are pretty garbage. Theres no fun involved when you are a basically a god. Batman Arkham and Playstation's Spiderman did it right, but those would still be fun games with different generic main characters. The gameplay elements and mechanics are good. Its not Batman : The Game. Its a game where you play as batman Batman. This is Avengers : The Game. Not a game where you play as the Avengers.
+ so do be clear: the loot system is ass, the fighting is ass, the performance are meh, the story is okay, the character progression isn't that good, the microtransactions are predatory, there is close to no optimization, with crashes wasting hours of your time, it is bugs riddled, the solo game is ass, matchmaking doesn't work, the devs launched the game without a working multi while they refused streamers and videasts the ability to test it because multi wasn't there... why do you have hope for this game exactly? I can see why you want it to succeed, but it feels like it wont. Having functional characters' kits on a recognizable IP can only take you so far. I hope you're right, for videogames' sake. But I'm not as optimistic as you.
To be honest, it's quite clear that the only reason he has hope is personal bias, which has overridden his objective POV. But, at least he was honest about the state of the game.
@@BoogerLeader He wasn't wrong, though. Worse games have come out in a worse state and they're still thriving today. This is a Marvel Avengers game. That alone is enough for me to believe that this game will do fine. It'll still be predatory as hell. It'll still be a grindy nightmare, but a lot of the technical issues will probably be ironed out and the game will end up a huge success at the end of it all. No matter how badly this game launched, you know a ton of people were going to be drawn to it. And people stuck with Fallout 76, so I'm sure it'd be even more true with this game. It may never end up being a great game, but I'm pretty sure that his point was this game isn't going to crash and burn like Anthem did.
@@xinf3ctdx I don't disagree with that, but those games at least had something that stood out in them. Avengers doesn't have anything. It has no equipment customization, just skins. Levels are repetitive and incredibly limited. The art team isn't all of a sudden going to get better. Bugs, yeah, that can definitely be fixed. Equipment being useless, might be fixed. But the game clearly didn't have any direction from the start. The types of missions probably won't change. Anyway, my point is that each of those games had a solid foundation in at least some areas. Avengers doesn't have anything that truly connects you with the character. No visual customization, no true build customization, etc. Destiny had the best combat mechanics, pretty good graphics, great open areas, and the makings of a good story. Anthem physical customization, had decent combat, amazing flight mechanics like no other game ever, and pretty cool skills. Environments were pretty nice as well, though very limited. I'm having a hard seeing what stands out about Avengers outside of it being Avengers.
Games will only b boycotted if the player base/ consumers are small and unified on that the a game is 💩 But majority of these sold because of its title lol
the industry doesnt need to learn how to release good games, as long as the players and fanboys pay for a name regardless of the quality behind it they can get away with anything
My prediction, like every "live service", spend 6 months almost fixing the game and then its slowly dies as nothing new comes out for players to stick around. Developers get moved off this game as it's not making any money
And some idiots said *"owwww wait for the game to release, its just beta"* I knew this game would be ass from the first demo. Again people, you dont need to play the game to judge its gameplay, use your eyes
People said the same thing about the Prince Of Persia remake when the trailer came out: "it's just beta stage everyone, when the game comes out it will be excellent graphics!" And I just can't believe people fall for that. I try to explain to them that Prince Of Persia releases within a mere few months so the gameplay we see in the trailer is what we will get upon release, it will not change at all. People like that are the reason a lot of companies get away with doing this, they take advantage of their gullibility because they know they will end up buying it either way. I don't play games at all anymore as I started to see the direction it was going a long while back and just lost faith and interest entirely.
In Beta, you can tell when something isn't polished vs a molten heap of slag that won't get better. Starforge. Was so bad and unfocused. Made by perhaps one or two people, but it was awful. It was a map and a gun and some terrain morphing. Conversely there was an exploration RPG made by one person. ONE. It was rough, but was an open world Bethesda type game with npcs and quests and a rich lore. Split into two areas. The Campaign areas that were tailored and the unmapped regions which is the procedural endgame stuff. It was bugged to hell and had issues, but you can see the jewel in the mud. It needed a bit of a wash. These are games made by teams of about 10 people or less. A triple A studio with proffessional backing. If the Beta's crap -strap in.
Marvel as an entire property has been generic brand entertainment ever since the MCU hijacked the entire franchise. It's completely soulless and phoned in. Even if this game pulls a Destiny or No Man's Sky and improves over time, it'll never shake this terrible feeling of being incredibly generic corporate brand X entertainment. Completely devoid of soul or atmosphere.
You know how everyone and their mom like to say Marvel movies are "basic" and "playing too safe"? Yeah, we haven't seen nothing basic yet. I'd take second Iron Man movie or Thor Dark World over this mess any day. At least those movies had courtesy to be finished products on release.
I at least had fun watching Iron Man 2. This game just keeps angering me the more I saw the beta and launch gameplay. Iron Man 2 was a simple albeit forgettable action movie. This game is trying to be two different things at once.
@@InnerRise I didn't go as far, but I tried a few times to watch people streaming this game and got bored in like 10 minutes. Although I admit the story could've worked, if they committed to making a story oriented game. As it is now, it's boring as fuck.
Finally a reviewer that has spent more than 10 hours with the game. This is the vid Id forward to the development team to look at. I loved the fact that you point out the issues instead of just bashing the game outright, and even comment there is fun to be had even with those issues. Fair and explained review!! 10/10
It’s been said before, and it’s gonna be said again. Bruce and Tony’s actors should have been swapped. Troy would be better as Tony, and Nolan better as Bruce.
Oh, they've learned alright. Just look at how much money these companies make with microtransactions. It doesn't matter how much we complain, people buy this stuff all the same. So the companies keep making it worse.
Most people that buy this shit are the mcu fans. I know some of my friend that only play sport game but they insist to buy this game because its a marvel game so it must be good. I dont even wanna ask how much money he waste on the microtransaction
Unfortunately the people complaining are just a few thousands, against the millions of casual consumers buying that stuff en masse with no knowledge of what happens behind the scene. The worst thing is that the new generation will think it's normal since they didn't know how it was before.
Microtransactions are ruining our games in the modern age, I absolutely despise them and will NEVER spend real money on any game no matter how good it is. I’ll buy a game, and if I like the game I will buy the DLC, and that’s it! Spending £15 on ugly skins is something I will never do. These companies make millions and millions yet they still demand more money from consumers. Without trying to contradict myself, If these companies were to sell skins for let’s say, 69p or 99p, then that may well be viable. People maybe wouldn’t mind paying that much for skins to enhance their experiences, and these companies would attract more people into buying these skins whilst still making millions.
This renditon of the whole "live service" thing feels incredibly dated at this point as is so having a ton of bugs and feeling unfinished is an incredibly off putting proposition.
Since it feels like the same excuse. We're not done at all yet these corpos and investors want their return knowing this product is about to get flamed to death. 12-18 months later oh now the game is good when they could have just done that in dev time and nobody would be upset. Except maybe the greedy investors
There was a lot of people calling fallout 76 really fun at launch because running with buddies and laughing at bugs was fun enough that some amount of people defended the game. Fun and bad aren't mutually exclusive.
i knew those mostly positive steam reviews with really shallow descriptions of the game were just the tip of the iceberg. "it's a fun marvel brawler. recommended!"- guy with 5 hours not realizing it's a live service "forever" game
@Drinker_Of_ Milk Games as a service isn't a new concept, it's not even a one or the other compared to mtx most of the time. What you're talking about happens with pretty much every major MMO title in some form. The concept is fine but it has to be done properly.
As long as people keep buying them, reviewers keep encouraging people to buy them saying "there might be a good game here with a few updates", as long as people spend money on in game items, these games will never stop. Best you can do is act on an individual level by refraining from buying these games.
So many reviewers are pushing this game to the max, it’s cringe. Then you get attacked by the fan base if you give your opinion. It’s just a glorified mobile game and I’ve sold my copy on ebay yesterday.
To be fair it IS a ton of fun. Even with all the bugs and janky as fuck performance at times (tho even on base PS4 its pretty solid tbh and worlds better than it was in beta) I still have a great time with it. Just one of those things where you have to accept this is fundamentally a broken and mediocre product that is enjoyable almost in spite of itself. Some people will be good with that, others it'll be a no go, and I think its a fair take either way.
Another thing to add about the single player respawns is they don't refresh whenever you reach a checkpoint. So you could die twice early on in a mission, and then make it to the final part only to die once and have to restart the entire section over again. If you're doing single player and you've already been downed, I recommend reloading your checkpoint whenever you reach another section of the mission so that way your respawns refresh.
Now this is a review. Nearly an hour long that is what i'm talking about. I'm sick of UA-cam being flooded with basic 8-10 minute reviews of big AAA games I think 30-60 minute reviews are necessary to cover everything.
Depends on how much time he is playing, once i was playing Days Gone and Last of Us for a long time on the PS4 pro, crap just started to break for some reason, textures would load half way and stop, fps would constantly drop, meanwhile i'm here playing Crysis 3 at max settings on my medium range PC for hour without any fps drops.
I won a copy and I have to say that I never had noticable frame drops or game breaking bugs on ps4. The only thing I've noticed were some textures loading pretty late.
I think the biggest missed opportunity in this game's story was never having Kamala actually meet her idol, Carol Danvers, in person. She just kind of takes the name Ms. Marvel without their being much gravitas behind it since the game assumes you already know everything about this character already from the comics, which is really lazy.
@@spartan_a1176 Pretty much. The moment we saw footage, my brothers and I collectively said "Nah" "This ain't it." "Out here looking like a non-purchase."
Why should I be excited for the next generation of video games when every single year, there’s a new “live service” like Avengers that gets released in a shoddy state? And they want us to pay more for video games? Go to hell, Square Enix and everyone else.
@Mitchell Harrison That's only in retrospect, every new FF has been a graphical showcase since at least the HD era, I honestly thought FF XVI was a DLC for XV, it looks almost just like it.
@@12Daniel34 it seems this one will be cross platform, but even still theres two things - the in game footage in the trailer and most else is in overcast, so it looks flat because the lighting can't be seen. The other is the overall nature of the setting I think. It will take a full look at the game, but I think people are expecting some kind of "OMG it looks like real people" type of jump. We are basically at the point where resolutions, textures mapping and lighting are what we are improving, along with facial animations and subsurface scattering. It's not like ps3 to ps4 even where we were using resolutions way to low for how big our TVs were lol
Marvel fan boys who dont like destiny, like this game. Iron was my favourite to play with. They had to make all the other characters dull or annoying so Kamhla shines by comparison.
Well their issue with that strategy is NO ONE is buying this game to play as Kamala Harris. They were hoping to play as the heroes they know, love, and care about
but iron man is always annoying he doesn't shut up usually even in the comics, he's basically like spiderman, you just get use to it, or you don't mind it. Personally i can listen to spiderman all day he's entertaining, Iron man not so much, i prefer when he doesn't speak much he was always my lease liked character in marvel. I never hated Kamala Khan, just they made her comics shit, i read few issues of her first go they weren't bad, but then SJW bullshit came up, so i dropped it. If this game makes her fan girl I'm fine with that, if game doesn't push agenda I'm fine.
Highly doubt they sabotaged the characters in a live service game to make the main in the story afterthought shine. No... I’m afraid crystal dynamics just spent too much time on the things we didn’t care about like the live service framework, and forgot to make gameplay that was fun. The characters Are mostly fun to play with. Cap and Black Widow were my personal favorites but Thor and Iron man are also fun. Didn’t care for hulk. But the characters aren’t the problem. It’s the enemies and missions that suck.
More like every single frame lmao, what a joke of a game. I played for half an hour at the Beta and the game was running at 15 fps at Medium settings with a 1060. What a joke of a game.
At the beginning of the review, when Tony Stark/Iron Man kept shouting those one liners....sounded alot like a Deadpool videogame b-cut, not gonna lie. Can definitely tell it's Nolan North
Because Ralph makes it pretty clear that the game is still fun, while kind of being a mess. And it's a workable mess. Anthem wasn't even *close* to a workable mess. It was a literal flaming bag of fucking trash, that only got pushed out because EA wanted an MMO game without thinking about the consquenses. This applies the same to Battlefront 2. Battlefield 5 suffered from a poor ad campaign.
hisnitch he also makes it clear that this game is buggier than Anthem was at launch. At least anthem was fucking playable at launch. The main problem with anthem was the ridiculous excuse of missions they implemented to make the game longer because there was no endgame.
@@Hisnitch I think he admitted that he loves Loot grind games like Destiny, even when he hates everything about, his bias about how fun grinding is; has clouded his judgement. Watch this review from start to finish and write a list of every pro vs con he mentions. He practically only ever praised the campaign and even then, only for some of the mission structures.
Another excellent review mate. Definitely holding off on this one. The interruptions to combat look infuriating just in these short clips, deal break for me. Developers need to put you on the payroll. This 55 minute gives SqEnx everything they need to fix the game.
What bothers me more than the cosmetic outfit microtransactions(mtx), which definitely are abhorrent, is the normalization of making takedowns a cosmetic mtx. These are an action I trigger, that I can essentially make into cinematic combo finisher. Yet some of the most cinematic takedowns cost 12 dollars a piece in a game and have been in the game since launch. If I worked for Warner Brother or NetherRealm I would be licking my chops, seeing all the people okay with paying for takedowns, I would put X-Rays behind a paywall and even the fatalities. Soon I would start locking other combos behind paywalls because really it is just a cosmetic, the gamer can still do the same damage with the few combos they have already been given.
@@haydeng3316 There are 5 five total, you get two from the start and one from the battle pass. The last two are bought from the store for 12 dollars a piece...meaning to pay for each characters two takedown would cost 140+ dollars.
@John Mangum I remember when people were outraged to pay for basic content that was already there at launch. You already paid for them, you should get every finisher baseline. Mobile game ass system.
@John Mangum You're partially correct, in about 3.5 weeks if you complete every daily and weekly for each character you should have completed all their hero cards which would give you 7800 credits. This enough to purchase 6 of the 12 total takedowns in the marketplace. The remaining 6 takedowns can only be obtained by purchasing credits with real money. That purchase would cost you 60-70 dollars depending on how you purchase the credit packs. I also never implied I HAVE to have takedowns, however, it would be nice if they were included with my purchase to help break the monotony of the combat.
there's no use crying over the story, this being an online multiplayer game... it's a cash grab game... the "story" is just to trick the 50% of the gamers that don't really like co-op campaigns but love to play story modes so still they give it a try.
Remember when we saw the trailer for Avengers Project like years ago and we were so hyped and thought we might actually get a decent avengers game? So much for that.
Just gotta say Skill Up: you are one of the few game reviewers on UA-cam whose perceived views seem to line up pretty well with my own. So always appreciate the great reviews. Now, off to start my third playthrough of Wasteland 3 (loving this game).
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Skill Up, thank you for showing just how awful and overhyped this game was. I appreciate what you do. 👍
Been using it for a year it's cool
Gaymers
that is the quickest I've ever been sold on something :D
That pop out feature looked so awesome first time sponsored content made me want to download something in a split second 😃
"It has great potential"
Written in every _LiVe sErViCe_ game's grave.
This is so true
I can hear Jim's voice
well destiny 2 fulfilled that potential and became a great game
@@toddhoward841 BL: are you sure about that?
@@MurdersAndExecutions actually yea its still pretty good even after beyond light, even though stuff was removed
I thought my UA-cam was lagging but its just the frames in this game
I'm so glad this comment is here
Bruh I was like wait wtf is that the actual game running
Wait, really? What?
that's what i thought also. i play stellaris with a 6yr old amd laptop and the only time it was yielding low fps was when i created a galaxy of over 1800 worlds. and even then it looks better than this
this comment cuts deep. hope the devs read it.
"This game is a live service"
Translation:
"This game is unfinished but we want the money but we're a big name publisher with a big name IP so we can't just call it early access because we'd sound like an indie dev, so there you go"
fully sum up the whole AAA game industry
"this game is a live service"
Translation:
"Anthem"
Sounds like BUNGIE WITH D2
@@adriangudino3412 ......... i see no lies here
Translation: “This game is not 100% completed but we’re gonna make the attempt to sell it to you anyway. Why? Because we want the money right now. And because we got a big popular IP on our hands that we’re gonna capitalize on because we know damn well that the sheeple who are fans of this brand will bend over for us because we’re making a game that’s centered around their favorite franchise.”
Note: I’m have been guilty of this multiple times.
“At least I can play Fallout 76.” That says a lot about this game.
Regarding the cosmetic cash shop, I'm playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 while watching this and it has NO cash shop and tons of unlockables. I love it. How did Activision make something less scummy than Squeenix?
Square is just as scummy as EA or Activision. They just get a nostalgia pass from most people. They're literally making 180 dollars off of a remake of a 23 year old game because RPG boomers cant see they're getting duped. EA and Activision should take notes. Thats how you fleece people and still have them drool all over you like you're a people's company or something.
this game barely has in game purchases
Kevin Martinez This game I can agree is scummy, but FFVIIR definitely doesn’t fall into the same category. I bought the game and put 90 hours into it, around 45 on normal and another 45 replaying it on hard. I get that the story is split up, but in my opinion it’d be a lie to say the game doesn’t have enough content to justify the price
@@matrinezkevin11492 You know, your argument would be more convincing if you didn't use an incredibly bad example.
@@matrinezkevin11492 i love my recycled final fantasies just as much as i love your piece of muddy ass shit call of dookeys and battlefields.
We need a new rating classification for games like this like "incomplete" which for most of my teachers and profs growing up was equivalent to an "F"
Maybe a rating of "B" for beta?
UNSAT cause it doesn't satisfy the requirements of a "complete" game.
Square Enix: Please buy our game, so you can start buying our game.
Haha perfect. I mean, terrible, TERRIBle
This comment needs more likes lol.
SE published it, not developed it. You think after FF14, SE would release this shit if they had dev rights on it? Fuck no. Look at FF16, it's led by the guy who flipped FF14 around to make them bank. No way they'd miss that chance of doing it properly. Crystal Dynamics need to be held responsible and if its a case of SE forced them to do this, they should say so.
"You guys know Destiny?"
"Yeah?"
"Make that. But uh, not as good. And cram the Marvel franchise into it."
"Can do, boss!"
Are we living in a massive mandela effect in which we remember destiny always being good from day one? To me this sounds like it could be a good Destiny with the same journey and also have the marvel franchise on top but it needs a lot of fixes
@Jan Rikardsen Yeah, and the USSR hated the United States. Doesn’t change the fact that people loved it when they didn’t.
@Jan Rikardsen k dude
Bungie still knows how to keep scary things a secret
@@pascalsimioli6777 destiny launched nearly 8 years ago, and was not preceded by multiple disastrous looter launches. Avengers was, and the fact that it learned so little from its predecessors besides how to press Ctrl+C Ctrl+V says quite a lot.
Live Service is the new early access.
Dead Services Surprise Mechanics coming 2021.
Early Access has the balls to admit they’re still in development, live service is straight up a scam
@@635574 the game comes out and you have to finish coding it yourself
live service is diet coke of MMORPG's, this game should either been single player game with its own contain story like Ultimate alliance or should of been MMOPRG like FF14, ESO, World of warcraft, most looter shooters are shit or get repetitive, only one i stuck round for was borderlands because story was entertaining and when loot drops the colours omg the colours so much cool looking loot.
Worse, most live service games suck until they die. At least early access can turn into good games.
Hot take: Improving a games foundation into something good still doesn't excuse selling an unfinished mess at launch.
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Selling millions sort of excuses it from the business side though tbh. People keep buying it despite knowing this so can’t expect anything different.
@@Ouzzel I know. I dont know where those people are and what goes through their mind, but they exist. Reminds me of the guy who said he preordered Anthem under a trailer. Told him it was stupid, he said no, that the game will be great.
@@phoenix9531 Oh my, I can imagine how that went...
"It's a reminder of how little the game industry has learned"
Wrong. It's a reminder of how little customers have learned. They pull shits like incomplete products at launch because they know we mostly let them get away with it. AAA studios follow what is better for their profits. I work in the game industry and in meetings, it's always about "X game did this and made Y amount of money." It's never about why they did it or if it was well received, it's always about how much money it made.
I know companies get shit for their actions and rightfully so but it is also the fault of consumers as well who keep buying into this shit. I mean why do you think EA and Activision keeps pulling these shady microtransactions because in the long run despite complaints, people will still buy their products.
You're right man, they only think of the profit and nothing else, and as long as it works they won't change anything about it
Don't say "we" my guy cause these games are NOT in my library(anthem is literally the only exception and I bought it knowing it was shitty cause it was 10$ and I really love sci fi centered mediums)
isn't that just shifting the blame? that's like cigarette companies saying customers haven't learned not to get addicted to their poison.
@@cptfreeman8966 They are not in mine either and never will be. There is enough good games and not enough time to keep me busy. I said "we" for gamers as a whole. Those games still sell enough millions of units to turn a profit. Let's bring back the time when the most profitable thing was respecting your customers!
Wow, who knew that Taskmaster was stronger than FOUR WHOLE AVENGERS.
Just because he’s been made a joke in comics lately and they’re gonna have BW beat his ass in the movie has people not realizing that, yes, Taskmaster is that dude. If Cap, BW and Ms Marvel were suddenly confronted by Tasky, Cap would be saying, “you two, get out of here, NOW!” He is no joke
@@yaboipele34 If i remember correctly, taskmaster was the guy who could defeat every avanger. Bit like Batman He learns every weakness etc
@@thisaintit9025 yeah, he can master any opponents fighting style after just one fight or during the fight if it lasts long enough. He can pinpoint weaknesses and exploit them instantly on multiple enemies at once. He can and will defeat four Avengers at once lol in the comics, the villains are actually a threat
I mean he literally is...
You guys have to remember taskmaster isn't a popular villain and is often taken as a joke because of how cartoons on TV potray him for instance, getting beat by spiderman in basic ways or getting easily beat in avengers cartoons and not having a real presence in the movies and with how little marvel fans read comics nowadays it makes sense that he isn't seen as strong or interesting by the majority even if he is an extraordinary and dangerous character in the comics.
Plot twist: This Avengers is Kamala's fan fiction.
Kamala means horrible in Finnish. Coincidence?
@@Blirre appropo
Yup, and it was cool when they did it with Magma with X-men Legends, though, because she's a white girl and it was only ok with Jubilee because nobody knew she was Chinese, because Asians are drawn to look as American as possible. Totally not racist, though.
@@Blirre vanilla means boring in any language. Guess that's why white characters need some sort of sensationalism.
@@BowenEros-gt8gn ??? Just because people doesn't like a character you get triggered?
Step 1: Make a game based off of a very popular IP.
Step 2: Hype it up by plastering its likeness on anything marketable.
Step 3: Make it a terrible live service business model.
Profit
lol what
@Storm Davis monster hunter world was a big success. I was scared when i first heard about the game. That they were gonna make it too noob friendly and easy, but the game was just made better in every aspect, allowing them to give monsters a more natural AI and moves instead of having the clunkiness require a moveset in mind with that. And I love all the free content they gave, but its just good old MH.. I've played tri on the wii years back and they did the same, release event quests and monsters. good stuff :)
@Storm Davis ima check that out.. seen the notification but hadnt clicked yet, thinking it was some sort of MH stories thingy.. dont hve a switch tho ;(
@@kevingarcia6746 at least step 4 worked. Shillup sung odes that even rey from starwars not had...
@@kevingarcia6746 let me guess. This is because of Ms Marvel? Isn't it?
I was like "why is the video chugging so much?", and then I was like "Oh."
Dude, I had to check to see if my compture or browser had a problem. They I had the same reflection as you did... what a shame.
Oh shit. I thought it was me. That’s fucking bad lol
This game literally shows every single warning sign that the team behind it do not care about the game at all. There is more passion in the Fortnite battle pass screen than in this entire game. This game screams greed, lack of creativity, laziness, etc. Its horrible.
Naquin Green ? What are you on about
Naquin Green damn you really went on about and rant about the game lol I agree of some of those things but personally the story was great and the game is so much fun! When you learn how to evade projectiles, parrying, combat variation. The game becomes hella fun and also a challenge. I can't wait for the future of it. It has so much potential if they do the new characters justice like the first 6
@Naquin Green First of all I'm not a fan of Online/Live service games. I've never played fortnite or Apex or Overwatch. The only online games I have played are 2 (ok maybe more than 2 but when I say play I mean playing for years) and those are GTA Online which btw is definitely a game I come back on whenever I feel like just messing around with it and the other was a mobile game of Marvel named Marvel Contest of champions and that game I left it for the sole reason because the astounding amount of time I spent on it. It is so fun but so much time consuming same with GTA Online I left it because I wanted to get everything and grinding while being fun it was so much time wasted. That's the reason why I don't like Online games. I just spend so much time on them and doesn't let me do other things I like or play other singleplayer games. I actually prefer singleplayer over online. I'd rather play a fully fletched, well done narrative than an Online game that never ends which is the reason I love this game. Now I know is not a masterpiece of a story but it was great, fun and interesting to see what will happen in the future because this is definitely not the last of the story. That's where my next point comes. The story is continuing in the future with each new character, all of them are gong to be an add on, FREE add on to the story and that's what convinced me.
I definitely wanted this game to be an open world game like spiderman but with 6 characters instead, I actually said to myself I was going to play the singleplayer only but after realizing that the game is mostly multiplayer I tried it out and I loved it! So much so I think this is going to be my 3rd online game I'm gonna be playing for years to come if the future holds great things. I gotta say the thing that made me invested on the online aspect was that every new mission and character is going to be free. Then I was disappointed because of the "Battle pass" cards of each new character needed to be bought. Not much longer after that I realized you could buy them from credits you get by playing the game which btw I already have enough credits to buy 4 new battle pass from a character and the fact that I will get the units back makes me even more excited.
The cosmetics are not a problem for me because I've never spend money for any game unless is a true DLC, I didn't spend any money on GTA online or MCoC on the years I played them and quite frankly I'm not going to do it on this one either, the game already has so many different costumes for each character so that's enough for me. I really want to see what the next character will turn out to be. I'm waiting for Kate bishop wich is coming later next month to see how the "new character system" works. I want to see how unique they are, how many costumes outside of the marketplace are going to be available and how much length is the new sets of missions also how unique environmentally speaking are. That's what's going to set foot on my continued playtime on this game. I hope I won't be disappointed.
Overall the story could be better I totally agree with you, it was so short! It was a satisfying ending but felt it needed more character development and interactions however if the upcoming missions from each DLC will add to it then that just mean it will only get better. I love, no really I love the gameplay. The gameplay feels a little to not repetitive at all. The combos you can do, the powers you have, the uniqueness of each character, the different set of skills, the gear perks. I just love it. I can honestly say this is my dream come true regarding combat excluding gear, that's an extra. If they continue adding new and uniquely combat based characters I'm all in. I can't wait for Kate bishop and Hawkeye. I've been playing for almost a month since the early release because I got the Deluxe edition for it and I can confirm it has been a really entertaining experience. My favorite is Cap and it's great because he is my favorite avenger!
No, I don't know much about SE. I've only played Sleeping dogs (Awesome game btw), Tomb Raider and Just Cause so yeah only single player games. I hope they don't abandon this game at least not until they release Blade, my favorite marvel character lol but yeah it is all up to them. They need to make us keep coming to it and release new content worth playing also fix a lot of bugs which is worth mentioning they have already fixed a great amount of them. This game has potential I feel it.
Naquin Green It's free to some extent. The content, mission, characters, locations are all free. Cosmetics, some are, some are not. They are also expensive I mean $14 for a flashy takedown. As I said the challenge cards can be completed by achieving daily and weekly challenges with each character. I have 60+% on each character's cards so I'm almost done with them. Those contain costumes, emotes and nameplates also a takedown and all other resources and loot. I like the incentive of playing each day to complete those challenges and also upgrading your character. It is free to play because you can have fun and improve your character without spending a single cent.
Naquin Green it's going to be more than 6 characters more. I believe they are going to release a new character with their own set of missions each month! Kate Bishop is coming October, Hawkeye is coming on November, there's rumors War Machine or Black Panther are coming on December. January and February could be any of the leaks and on March we'll get Spiderman us PS4 and PS5 players too. I really hope Spiderman will only be time exclusive tbh. As you can see we'll get more than 6 more characters. That's why I can't wait for the future DLC. It's like a mobile game with each month adding a new character but better because each character will have different costumes, takedowns, combat abilities, skill tree and even so personality and character development and they are free and won't have to grind or buy them. No you just have to log in the day it gets released and boom you can play with him or her. Although is funny because everyone is going to be using the new character and while playing Co-op you can't use the same character so I guess I'm gonna play solo most of the time at the first few days lol I really hope you enjoyed the game and the story eventually. Cheers bro
"they feel like mighty slabs of concrete whose legs reach deep into the earth" analogy made me chuckle
More hilarious i was fighting an adaptoid enemy while listening to the video at this point 😆
I literally read this comment right when he said it 🤯 23:56
Batman gets an incredible trilogy by rocksteady
Spiderman gets an amazing game by insomniac with a miles morales sequel coming soon
Avengers gets..an anthem styled game by crystal dynamics....oof
Yet another remainder that live service is pure cancer.
And Superman gets to be evil and not playable, again...
God I wish the Avengers game was a collaboration that somehow involved Insomniac. Also that it was single player and either followed Khan through her origin or had different stories for each avenger that somehow incorporated Khan and one or two other Avengers in order to deal with the main enemy.
I really think Avengers was an impossible task since the capabilities off Hulk to Black Widow to Iron Man are so varied, it's impossible to make a single gameplay experience that is tuned to all of them. Batman and Spiderman have the advantage of only trying to capture the feeling of a single character, and they can craft the mechanics around that. In Avengers, that's impossible, so it was bound to feel a bit generic no matter what. This game isn't great, but I really fail to see how it could've been close to Spiderman or Batman even in ideal circumstances.
It's literally very similar to destiny near enough an exact copy
I feel like they don't care.
"We've got the Avengers IP and we've crammed it full of monetisation, we're gonna make SO MUCH MONEY!"
they couldve made maybe even 10x if they made this a good game
@@sanane66543 Not really, all Marvel fans are still going to buy the game regardless.
@@cerealkiller5599 me and my friends are all marvel fans but we aint buyig it so your statement is deff incorrect lol
okay
If that was the case they failed. Square lost $63 million on it.
Coming back to this review after playing Guardians of the Galaxy in 2021 is so depressing. Obviously the lessons from Avengers informed the design of Guardians, but if this game had been a 20-hour single player game that allowed you to play as different Avengers, it would have been awesome. And it still would have made a ton of money. Probably more than this version ever will!
I played guardians of the galaxy and absolutely loved it but I'm disappointed that it probably won't get a sequel due to the reputation that the avengers game created.
So true bro. Guardians is incredible and most people didn't even give it a try because of this game. Which I also own and it's OK. I've played the hell outta both
You can't even blame people for not giving the Guardians game a chance. That's literally what we've been wanting for years. A company's makes a shit game. Be wary of their next. Because almost every other time, it's just as bad. This just happened to be an exception
@@legojay14 Yeah it really sucks that Avengers hurt the performance of Guardians. But with Square selling off IP and western studios, there's still hope that we'll get a sequel.
dude Guardians is a dope game. if this game had that same model but instead of playing as just one character like you had to with Quill, you could play as everyone, it would be a much better game. i enjoyed Avengers for the most part but didnt finish it because it just got so samey
As soon as I heard that this game was a live survice game I lost all interest
Wish I had common sense like that. I wasted $60 on this shit because I wanted to "give it a chance"....I fucking hate positive and naive me 😑
Yeah the live service $hit also turned me off along with the amount of bugs which I knew wouldn't get fixed before release. I didn't even bother to play the beta either after watching it on UA-cam. If they fix all the bugs & add more enemy types & bosses, multi-player missions need more variety too. Game looks like it would bore me after 2-3 days, I wouldn't pay more than $30 for it.
Same.
I already play Destiny, Warframe, used to play FFXIV, tried Anthem and still waiting for Anthem 2.0, I don't want more live service games. It's time to stop!
Live services just work with limited offerings. First come, first served! The more people tries to take a slice of the pie, the less they can get from it while the big names take the majority of the profit.
At this point only Destiny can be the Destiny killer, like only Warframe can kill itself.
Honestly, I don’t know what it is but these games just don’t peak my interest.
You know, this would've much better as a single player adventure action game rather than some weird mp live service looter shooter but not a shooter game. I mean, the story is pretty solid and the avengers atmosphere is good. It's just the game isn't....
But you need a live service game to milk the avengers for as long as possible.
I think there's a world in which live service could've been good as well. I've played more games like League, R6, MHW, Fall BOIS, etc. in the last few years than even some games I would consider to be my favorites of all time like the Dark Souls games. There's a world in which Avengers was akin to Monster Hunter World, a game with massive free updates post launch, epic loot to grind, an extremely fun and rewarding endgame, and maybe eventually a huge paid DLC. Hell, the Avengers already have move sets, if they were spruced up and a bit more interesting they could've been like MHW's weapons with deep mastery for players who want to be a main of one weapon or wildly varying moves for players who want the best tool for any situation (Looking at my fellow Insect Glaive + Hunting Horn + Gunlance mains out there).
Live service isn't necessarily bad, it just seems like Square Enix didn't want to justify polishing the game up like 30% more over another year or two rather than releasing the game for all the money in the world now. And the microtransactions are obviously atrocious, this coming from someone who has spent thousands on League.
It should've been a scripted singleplayer game with the option of friends taking the spot of another character up to 4 (or more) and be able to swap characters in mission (like Lego games).
No power levels or gear or live service shit
Naalith From a long time MH fan, that’s the difference between MH and something like this.... monster hunter games are released complete, you get a 100% full product at launch.
Before world, most of the games didn’t even get any big updates, only some extra weapons and MAYBE a couple monster variants.
That’s why I don’t even consider MHW a live service, because it never really needed fixing or adding to, and capcom only put it’s hand out for more money like.... once?
@@Sirrincai well I mean think about it. Most people would chose money over people who will buy the game anyway’s satisfaction. If they delayed it hype would go down so they would probably sell less copies, it would cost more money to keep polishing it and if they took out the micro transactions they’d make even less money. I know it’s not fun, but in any industry money means more.
Imagine paying $60++ to be square enix QA department.
I know right? At least it somewhat sounds like theres a stable "starter" base to build on, need to remove/tweak some enemies, balance a few things, so...
See you all in 6 months to a year when this all gets fixed.
Imagine raising red flags over months and nobody gives a shit about you and your department.
Imagine doing that with MANY other Games as a Live Service. AKA, launch Destiny, Ghost Recon Breaking Point, Fallout 76, Anthem, and the list keeps going on and on.
To be fair everyone who paid for this had plenty of warning that it was in a bad state - similar to anthem
"I like where this is going, I actually think it has a bright future" Hindsight is 20/20 I guess
If they wanted to fix it, they would have. But pretty much all of these live service flops drop service pretty much immediately instead of fixing things.
They called me a mad man when I said this game was a mobile game pretending to be a AAA title. Then I played the beta and I didn't like it, just like when news of this game first broke
What did it cost
You cant unlock characters with fragments. You also don't wait for energy meter to refill. That sucks for a mobile game like this
Dude, I remember commenting on a video about this game that it was going to suck and people got mad at me saying I was wrong.
Well I can now firmly say to those people “I told you so!”
@@NoahDaArk The moment I heard Square Enix were making it, and saw the character designs as well as heard the scheduled release date I knew it was gonna flop. When I saw the trailer, I was like "my 'its a trap' senses are tingling" and everyone was like "nO tHeY are StIlL mAkInG tWeAkS bRo ChIlL" .
Here is the thing, for me the biggest tell that this was gonna flop was when I was more blown away by Spider-Man PS4 than the Avengers teaser...like can someone tell me how tf a Spider-Man game had a better teaser, demo, animation, choreography, lighting, gameplay than the most aniticipated conceptual game of all time... This was clearly a money grab rush job in an attempt to compensate over avengers Endgame hype🤦🏾♂️. Also there were so many "secrets" like how you tell a game is going to be good is how transparent the studio is about it. My point is with Square Enix we were getting a lot of buzzword talk no specific details on how it was gonna be(honestly a lot of what they said it would be isn't that way), but with CD Projekt for example they've been transparent as they can be about Cyberpunk 2077(which I believe may not live up to its hype but will possibly be a game of the year contender if not win game of the year).
@@rorisangpitswane3595 Another example is Gotham Knights. The *day* after it was announced at the DC Fandome event WB Games Montreal were like “we’re glad you guys like our game! Here, have some gameplay footage! It’s alpha footage but we’re so damn proud of it we want to share it with you all!”
Meanwhile Avengers waited until months after its reveal to show off gameplay. If the developer is eager to show off how the game plays, that’s a positive sign
the subreddit of this game, has convinced themselves that the game is good in the current condition and that it will get better in time. Imagine buying a car with 3 wheels and saying, it's fine im sure the 4th will arrive sometime later.
Think of it like tesla announcing that car... marvel has a massive built in audience that will forgive a lot to play out their fantasies.
colour of the car not included with the standard price
Would surprise me if anyone with a honest opinion will get downvoted on that subreddit
@@Vidrageon I think that's a very generous way to describe the audience who likes this game and the comics/movies in general. Personally, I'd say they have low quality standards and critical thinking challenges them, similar to the crowd who defends any of the latest Star Wars nonsense (Clone Wars being the exception). It must be nice to be so easily entertained.
@@tylerhaugen6953 you went all the way back to Clone Wars. Did you not like Rogue One?
Reality is often dissapointing..
gonna need that reality stone to make this game good
19:43 "It's copied Destiny so effectively it will likely hold an appeal to that crowd" statements that aged poorly for 500. And the reason it aged poorly is simple: People who like games like destiny already have a game to play; it's called Destiny. "Live Services" are not the same as real games, they demand an immense time commitment and rely on investment both emotional and financial. If you like Dark Souls you'll eventually probably try Bloodborne, but the reason is because you WILL eventually be done with Dark Souls because it has an end, it has a point where you're inteneded to move on. It has New Game Plus to an insane degree but it is not designed so that the player is EXPECTED to play NG+, it's not designed for it to be played ad infinitum. It's got an actual end and leaves it up to the player when they want to stop after beating it. "Live Services" are not like this because they are designed to perpetually make money and for that to happen need people to play in perpetuity. This is not an inherently bad thing; Monster Hunter World is such a game but it also has an "end" and is less focused on keeping people "engaged" than it is on simply providing more content for players to come back to as they choose with how frequent seasonal events each bring back almost all if not every single past event quest, meaning players don't feel pressured to obsess over the game due to FOMO on said continuously added quests. Meanwhile compare to something like Warframe with Daily Standing caps, the Nightwave Battle Passes, special missions on rotation every few hours, daily logins with specific rewards at milestones such as 100, 300, etc, Relic Vaulting and Un-Vaulting,, timed boosters that follow real time regardless of whether you're logging in, etc. There are so many reasons to feel the need to check in and make some form of progress several times a week if not every day until it's part of your life's routine, and Warframe is if anything one of the more LENIENT examples compared to the likes of Destiny and it's copiers.
In short: Multiple "Live Services" isn't feasible, and subsequently copying another live service to a T is absolutely not feasible, because anyone who actually dedicates themselves to such games simply won't have enough hours in the day to play multiple of them.
So, the campaign is watered down for the sake of yet more live service guff, the characters only get interesting to play after the disappointing campaign is over, getting to that point is a slog unless you can play multiplayer which you can't do because it's busted, even if you push past it the encounter design is bad, and if you overcome all of this your reward is to grind faction rep forever?
I know you said you weren't trying to eviscerate this game. But I came in with no worse than vague curiosity, and now I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Lmfaooo
If it comes to Gamepass, try it out. It will probably be better by then.
Careful not to be robbed. It's not worth the fng money.
And then he ends the game on a high note. “Game will be better in two years tho so it’s OK!”
yep. all optimism crushed haha
For Honor actually does cameras really well when you up against a wall. It basically makes the wall invisible in a nice looking way that dosnt look janky.
That was so unintrusive and intuitive that for a long while I didn't even notice that my back was against a wall in those situations, and I actually thought I was genuinely in an open space. Nice little bit of convenience by the Ubisoft team.
Capcom did that a lot in their games. The camera setting inn iconic games such as monster hunter world and dragon dogma are considered as the best. U can fight multiple enemies/a single boss with your backs to the walls with ease
@@Grim_Pinata
That's not how it should be though, you should have the reminder you're against a wall so you don't run against it if you need a getaway, for me it has been so long since I played FH so I can't remember exactly how it was.
Wow this probably the most truthful review. The redeeming qualities are when you can play cap and Thor, especially higher levels. I was surprised how fun it was to play cap and throw his shield around, then spartan kick some fool. On the other hand, the enemy designers sucks total ass and everything he says is completely right. I agree with him about the enemies and combat complaints. Without this shit there would be more potential.
It feels like battlefront, where it's best to wait a year or 2. That seems to be a new type of genre: games not worth playing for the first year.
Cap can’t break down doors or hack, which is pretty stupid. I was playing one of his own missions last night and there were two different spots I couldn’t get into because of that.
The game is designed for an 8 year old... just can we please stop talking about this type of game as a legit product to be reviewed.
@@EscapeCondition Sadly the game only made 3 years before it's shutdown.
And those kind of games where you wait are pretty much the norm with AAA releases. They are uninteresting, buggy and are lacking content at release, but will get better as the issues are ironed out and there is more to do in them.
Look at EA Battlefront 2, Look at Ark, Look at Fallout 76, Look at Cyberpunk, Look at Final Fantasy XIV, Look at f-ing Aliens Colonial marines. And as the crowning example: Look at No Man's Sky. (which is actually really good now)
They all got better with updates and patches.
“I think (Marvel’s Avengers) has a bright future”
Considering that its play stats on Steam are lower than Deus Ex Mankind Divided, that Super Mario 3D All-Stars outsold it in the UK in September despite being released midway through the month, and the general lack of buzz it’s been getting as each week goes by... I’m gonna say you’re wrong here. This never should have been another Destiny clone and players are saying as much with their actions.
Mankind Divided is miles ahead of this garbage.
"I think (Marvel's Avengers) has a bright future" didn't age well
@@RelentlessOhiox lol yea i like mankind divided
I can't help but look at these Avengers models and feel like I'm looking at some knockoff brand Avengers. I get that comic book heroes can't be changed too much but I just feel like CD could've gone with more original looking character designs from their face/body models to their outfits.
I agree. Im enjoying the game and the art but the problem is that they used too much inspiration from the mcu design/ team lineups. Kinda sucks the mcu suits are messing. Oh and boring bosses
@@christopherwashi And repetitive gameplay, a lot of annoying bugs, and low fps.
@@aliw5894 I can agree on all of that but the gameplay. Gameplay just needs more bosses and different enemy types to fight. But thats my opnion. Also the loot. Holy shit the loot is so bad. The names are generic and the progression is just ugh. Effects and bonuses are cool tho like the pym particles.
With the models specifically yeah I feel like that part was doomed to fail, at this point we all know what a realistic Tony Stark should look like, by trying to keep too close to RD jr it was always going to cause an uncanny valley effect with slight cosplayer vibes if you end up distracted and focusing on it.
Wouldn't of been too much of a problem if there was enough content to keep the fantasy alive with occasional jokes about our beloved new Captain Cosplayer.
I didn’t mind Bruce Banner, but everyone else looks and acts like Chinese knock-offs
When you showed the warframe gameplay I got all excited thinking :"damn who's that super cool ninja looking avenger". Then I realised it was warframe
CaptainYoul Warframe has a great monetization scheme too. I love that players can trade the premium currency with each other, so you can buy gear with money, or grind rare gear and sell it for premium currency for whatever you can’t grind for. Games in this live service genre should take more lessons from Warframe
@@jasongarman agreed. And btw this trading sistem you mentioned is FUN
warframe is dead and has been for a year
Then you realise warframe is assssssss
@@KatzProductionsYT I'd like you to type warframe in steamcharts search bar and tell if warframe is dead
Cap’s shield doesn’t even change colors to match his outfit...
-5/10 - They pay me to play their game.
That's what I'm saying!
That irks me so much! 😖
Well technically he can easily change his out fit but the metal the shield Is made of is very rare so it would make sense he'd still keep the same shield
@@JordanOpitz Like, story wise that could make sense, but gameplay wise why not customize the shield? And other games have his shield change colors, I think. May be wrong on that, so I'll check
"I actually think it has a bright future."
Well that line aged poorly.
The fires of hell are very bright.
I'll check this out when it inevitably becomes free. Game is entirely designed as if it should be. They're collecting the initial money off the launch window but already know it's going F2P. All the systems are already in place.
I wouldnt count on F2P given Square's greed and lack of common sense.
@@GigglingStoners I agree to a degree. Square has NO issue with going f2p. In fact almost 3/4th of their catalog over the past 5-10 years has been f2p live service games.
World ain't free. Thats why this game gets so much hate. Too many kids with no jobs expecting aaa titles
It's a suped up mobile game
I take this view with every game these days
God, I can't stand these games-as-a-service type games. They are so, so dull.
I haven't enjoyed a videogame in about 5 years for this reason, the more "muh graphics" the less the fun i used to feel when i was a child, i am here with a rtx 2060 waiting for a good game , at this point it's dificult to say if I am the problem or the industry, this year I only buy Doom eternal I didn't even finish The witcher 3 because i feel it like a very repetitive game, I just want to to feel again that happiness of playing a brand new game as a child.
Alan Alb Yeah if you think The Witcher is repetitive then you probably ARE the problem bro... 😬 that game had a lot of variety in things to do, and the quests were all very diverse with actual choices for how you can approach them.
@@alanalb1449 I must admit, I don't understand where you are coming from. There so many amazing games out there, but these are usually not AAA as they must play it (too) save to get there investment returned. With that being said, saying you didn't find a good game in five years... maybe your standards are unreasonably high? I don't know...
@@omarcomming722 Yeah, that's very true.
@@alanalb1449 try dead space, mass effect of Bioshock.All of them are interesting and fun games.
"I don't have any friends to play with" 46:08
I felt that
Sad times
This is me fr
This is funny because I emailed customer service to tell them that the match making wasn't working. They responded by telling me to turn matchmaking off and invite my friends.
So number 1 to fix matchmaking is to turn it off completely and 2 make sure all my friends own the game.
@@BRITISH_LEGACY eye roll*
customer service are run by idiots
That a game of Avengers (one of the most priced and desired properties) is a clusterfuck of bad mechanics, plagued with microtransactions and just a little fun, tells me something: games as a service don't represet a bright future, they do represent a bleak future for consumers.
That multiplayer boss actually had me laughing. How can something like that even make it past the earliest testing i got no clue
Probably wasn't tested.
Drew Wilson everyone that bought the game IS the test team 😂
Do you know about the way bugs get classified during QA-testing? Long story short, everything non game breaking goes on the bottom of the list, everything gamebreaking goes on top. Towards the end of development you hope to have squashed enough of the gamebreaking bugs to start tackling the minor bugs.... But its very clear some games dont make it to that point before release haha.
Thats how that stuff gets past testing, it usually doesnt actually, but it also just doesnt get fixed if there are worse problems to be solved xD
In some way I actually like the idea of the robot boss. You fight it, do your best, manage to take it down. Only for the enemy to drop another one in "we have an army of these, we can send more whenever we want. But how long can you continue to fight?"
Love these long form, in-depth reviews. I feel like short reviews don't really get to the bottom of things and still leave a lot of questions unanswered. There's none of that here. Your review fully sums up the game's current state and details how every part of it works. Love it.
Nice swagger souls profile pic
A good 7 min review can get the point across just as well. It's all about establishing what you want the viewer to understand.
Yeah I'm at 27 mins and I already get his review, but there's another half to go? Lemme go and make coffee amd really enjoy the content.
Also these are good for long walks to just listen to.
Even people who like Destiny will do nothing but complain about Destiny, and then tack on "It's a good game tho," at the end
Not everyone, I love destiny and the division 2, but there is a certain kind of people that just hates everything, even the stuff they like.
You can enjoy things and hate it at the same time.
Like self Fellatio - great time, depressingly lonely.
It's familiarity and repetition. If you love a game, you'll play it enough to intimately know all the shortcomings.
I've got 3.3k hours in Warframe, so I clearly love the game, but holy shit does it have issues.
@@justinreich2023 I get that, i got almost the same hours on Destiny 2 and Division 2, and i do know of the shortcomings on each game, every game has its flaws, there is no perfect game, but i think that sometimes people hate stuff just for hating stuff, you can make constructive criticisms , but i know some people that just say this game is shit without playing it, or the other side of the coin, people that have 4k hours on a game and totally hate it.
@@justinreich2023 True. When you play D2 enough, you do see places where the game could be improved, bugs, etc. But with D2, at the end of the day, I'm still having a good time, and the game is playable, not just from a technical standpoint, but also from a gameplay loop standpoint. This? Not so much.
I love that this game captured the classic moments from the movies when the characters collected Resources
Remember when people said Anthem was the basically an Ironman simulator but garbage. Ha who knew how right they were. The Ironman simulator is also garbage.
Ironman VR is how really feels like... wait that was garbage too.
lol, I actually just got Anthem for $5 on Ebay and have had SUCH a blast. But I choose to start as a Colossus, so yeah, only lvl5 and been using a quad-motor on an 8 second cooldown and a arm-canon whereas the posterboy Ranger class apparently "throws a grenade... _just_ like Iron Man! _prepare for excitment!_"
Though the shaper relics really set that game apart for me. Otherwise yeah, I'd probably be mocking it more for the fact that when I kill enemies they just return to where they died and kinda T-pose for a few seconds until vanishing XD
Some things just dont translate well into games, superhero games for the most part are pretty garbage. Theres no fun involved when you are a basically a god. Batman Arkham and Playstation's Spiderman did it right, but those would still be fun games with different generic main characters. The gameplay elements and mechanics are good.
Its not Batman : The Game. Its a game where you play as batman Batman.
This is Avengers : The Game. Not a game where you play as the Avengers.
+ so do be clear: the loot system is ass, the fighting is ass, the performance are meh, the story is okay, the character progression isn't that good, the microtransactions are predatory, there is close to no optimization, with crashes wasting hours of your time, it is bugs riddled, the solo game is ass, matchmaking doesn't work, the devs launched the game without a working multi while they refused streamers and videasts the ability to test it because multi wasn't there... why do you have hope for this game exactly? I can see why you want it to succeed, but it feels like it wont. Having functional characters' kits on a recognizable IP can only take you so far.
I hope you're right, for videogames' sake. But I'm not as optimistic as you.
To be honest, it's quite clear that the only reason he has hope is personal bias, which has overridden his objective POV. But, at least he was honest about the state of the game.
@@BoogerLeader you're right
@@BoogerLeader He wasn't wrong, though. Worse games have come out in a worse state and they're still thriving today. This is a Marvel Avengers game. That alone is enough for me to believe that this game will do fine. It'll still be predatory as hell. It'll still be a grindy nightmare, but a lot of the technical issues will probably be ironed out and the game will end up a huge success at the end of it all. No matter how badly this game launched, you know a ton of people were going to be drawn to it. And people stuck with Fallout 76, so I'm sure it'd be even more true with this game. It may never end up being a great game, but I'm pretty sure that his point was this game isn't going to crash and burn like Anthem did.
@@xinf3ctdx I don't disagree with that, but those games at least had something that stood out in them. Avengers doesn't have anything.
It has no equipment customization, just skins. Levels are repetitive and incredibly limited. The art team isn't all of a sudden going to get better. Bugs, yeah, that can definitely be fixed. Equipment being useless, might be fixed. But the game clearly didn't have any direction from the start. The types of missions probably won't change.
Anyway, my point is that each of those games had a solid foundation in at least some areas. Avengers doesn't have anything that truly connects you with the character. No visual customization, no true build customization, etc. Destiny had the best combat mechanics, pretty good graphics, great open areas, and the makings of a good story. Anthem physical customization, had decent combat, amazing flight mechanics like no other game ever, and pretty cool skills. Environments were pretty nice as well, though very limited.
I'm having a hard seeing what stands out about Avengers outside of it being Avengers.
Microtransactions are predatory? Lol! Its all cosmetic...there is zero pay to win. Costumes, emotes, and banners? Yup, totally predatory lol.
people should boycott this
because if people will still buy this game, developers will just keep doing this
Games will only b boycotted if the player base/ consumers are small and unified on that the a game is 💩
But majority of these sold because of its title lol
the industry doesnt need to learn how to release good games, as long as the players and fanboys pay for a name regardless of the quality behind it they can get away with anything
My prediction, like every "live service", spend 6 months almost fixing the game and then its slowly dies as nothing new comes out for players to stick around. Developers get moved off this game as it's not making any money
And some idiots said *"owwww wait for the game to release, its just beta"*
I knew this game would be ass from the first demo.
Again people, you dont need to play the game to judge its gameplay, use your eyes
People said the same thing about the Prince Of Persia remake when the trailer came out: "it's just beta stage everyone, when the game comes out it will be excellent graphics!" And I just can't believe people fall for that. I try to explain to them that Prince Of Persia releases within a mere few months so the gameplay we see in the trailer is what we will get upon release, it will not change at all. People like that are the reason a lot of companies get away with doing this, they take advantage of their gullibility because they know they will end up buying it either way. I don't play games at all anymore as I started to see the direction it was going a long while back and just lost faith and interest entirely.
In Beta, you can tell when something isn't polished vs a molten heap of slag that won't get better. Starforge. Was so bad and unfocused. Made by perhaps one or two people, but it was awful. It was a map and a gun and some terrain morphing. Conversely there was an exploration RPG made by one person. ONE. It was rough, but was an open world Bethesda type game with npcs and quests and a rich lore. Split into two areas. The Campaign areas that were tailored and the unmapped regions which is the procedural endgame stuff. It was bugged to hell and had issues, but you can see the jewel in the mud. It needed a bit of a wash. These are games made by teams of about 10 people or less. A triple A studio with proffessional backing. If the Beta's crap -strap in.
@@joegrimes9232 What's the name of that second, Bethesda-esque game? Sounds like a Daggerfall-like.
Marvel as an entire property has been generic brand entertainment ever since the MCU hijacked the entire franchise. It's completely soulless and phoned in. Even if this game pulls a Destiny or No Man's Sky and improves over time, it'll never shake this terrible feeling of being incredibly generic corporate brand X entertainment. Completely devoid of soul or atmosphere.
You know how everyone and their mom like to say Marvel movies are "basic" and "playing too safe"? Yeah, we haven't seen nothing basic yet. I'd take second Iron Man movie or Thor Dark World over this mess any day. At least those movies had courtesy to be finished products on release.
I at least had fun watching Iron Man 2. This game just keeps angering me the more I saw the beta and launch gameplay. Iron Man 2 was a simple albeit forgettable action movie. This game is trying to be two different things at once.
This game is what CM was for MCU - the worst of the bunch by far. Even the mobile game looks more appealing.
@@InnerRise I didn't go as far, but I tried a few times to watch people streaming this game and got bored in like 10 minutes. Although I admit the story could've worked, if they committed to making a story oriented game. As it is now, it's boring as fuck.
@@annadidathingy2832 the campaign story is good I think thats what's most bittersweet.
@@GigglingStoners Ant Man was worse than Captain Marvel. My proof? You didn't even remember Ant Man had an origin story until I mentioned it.
Finally a reviewer that has spent more than 10 hours with the game. This is the vid Id forward to the development team to look at. I loved the fact that you point out the issues instead of just bashing the game outright, and even comment there is fun to be had even with those issues. Fair and explained review!! 10/10
It’s been said before, and it’s gonna be said again.
Bruce and Tony’s actors should have been swapped.
Troy would be better as Tony, and Nolan better as Bruce.
Yeah Troy's performance as rhys in tales from the borderlands is essentially tony stark Iron Man
I actually thought Bruce sounded good. Tony not so much. But really why not just make Troy Baker play every character
I actually didn't mind Bruce but man Nolan is awful as Deadpo....I mean Tony
Bruce plays a depressed father figure to Kamala. Sort of like Joel from Last of Us and Booker Dewitt from Bioshock. He worked well in this game too.
@@InnerRise No Troy Baker is Bruce
Oh, they've learned alright. Just look at how much money these companies make with microtransactions. It doesn't matter how much we complain, people buy this stuff all the same. So the companies keep making it worse.
Most people that buy this shit are the mcu fans. I know some of my friend that only play sport game but they insist to buy this game because its a marvel game so it must be good. I dont even wanna ask how much money he waste on the microtransaction
Unfortunately the people complaining are just a few thousands, against the millions of casual consumers buying that stuff en masse with no knowledge of what happens behind the scene.
The worst thing is that the new generation will think it's normal since they didn't know how it was before.
Microtransactions are ruining our games in the modern age, I absolutely despise them and will NEVER spend real money on any game no matter how good it is. I’ll buy a game, and if I like the game I will buy the DLC, and that’s it! Spending £15 on ugly skins is something I will never do. These companies make millions and millions yet they still demand more money from consumers. Without trying to contradict myself, If these companies were to sell skins for let’s say, 69p or 99p, then that may well be viable. People maybe wouldn’t mind paying that much for skins to enhance their experiences, and these companies would attract more people into buying these skins whilst still making millions.
This renditon of the whole "live service" thing feels incredibly dated at this point as is so having a ton of bugs and feeling unfinished is an incredibly off putting proposition.
Since it feels like the same excuse. We're not done at all yet these corpos and investors want their return knowing this product is about to get flamed to death. 12-18 months later oh now the game is good when they could have just done that in dev time and nobody would be upset. Except maybe the greedy investors
What does live service mean?
"It's fun to play", so much fun that 96%+ of players abandoned the game. The fun is overwhelming.
There was a lot of people calling fallout 76 really fun at launch because running with buddies and laughing at bugs was fun enough that some amount of people defended the game. Fun and bad aren't mutually exclusive.
This game is in life support.
@@clintflippo917 Yeah people fun can be really subjective,that's why i think saying a game is fun or not in review doesn't work well.
So overwhelming that the game literally killed all its players, hence why there's no one playing anymore.
“The Virgin Avengers vs The Chad Spider-Man: Miles Morales”
VS Chad The Punisher (2004) game or even wolverine the origins 😎
More like VS the Chad Avengers Ultimate Alliance
I’m not getting SM but it definitely will beat avengers
the only reason chad spider man is able to chad is cause weeb virgin avenger's keep paying the chad
And the Chad Spider-Man PS4
i knew those mostly positive steam reviews with really shallow descriptions of the game were just the tip of the iceberg. "it's a fun marvel brawler. recommended!"- guy with 5 hours not realizing it's a live service "forever" game
“Games as a service” should stop being a thing, more people need to see through the BS this word is used to replace MTX.
@Drinker_Of_ Milk Games as a service isn't a new concept, it's not even a one or the other compared to mtx most of the time. What you're talking about happens with pretty much every major MMO title in some form. The concept is fine but it has to be done properly.
As long as people keep buying them, reviewers keep encouraging people to buy them saying "there might be a good game here with a few updates", as long as people spend money on in game items, these games will never stop. Best you can do is act on an individual level by refraining from buying these games.
The amount of dropped frames in this game is staggering
So many reviewers are pushing this game to the max, it’s cringe. Then you get attacked by the fan base if you give your opinion. It’s just a glorified mobile game and I’ve sold my copy on ebay yesterday.
Me: This looks like it could be fun.
SkillUp: Reality is often disappointing
To be fair it IS a ton of fun. Even with all the bugs and janky as fuck performance at times (tho even on base PS4 its pretty solid tbh and worlds better than it was in beta) I still have a great time with it. Just one of those things where you have to accept this is fundamentally a broken and mediocre product that is enjoyable almost in spite of itself. Some people will be good with that, others it'll be a no go, and I think its a fair take either way.
@@scd991 I get the same vibe from the feed i see. Tho its still kinda sad, cus it could be better.
I bought the pre order... if you want to buy it wait for matchmaking to be fixed and for them to improve it overall
It’s a lot of fun and on PS4 I haven’t experienced any bugs yet.
Ignoring the bugs, the game is fun as hell.
"It's not even Spider-Man 3"
ouch
@Shipohi Ollie spiderman 3 is a movie, not the ps4 game lol
Shipohi Ollie hard to value your opinion on things when you can’t even comprehend the original comment lol
Hayden G3 there is a spider man 3 game though
Shipohi Ollie I’m a little lost, mind pointing me in the direction where anybody asked
@@kcold3277
We dont talk about that. The 2nd one was awesome though. Good ol space mysterio fight
Another thing to add about the single player respawns is they don't refresh whenever you reach a checkpoint. So you could die twice early on in a mission, and then make it to the final part only to die once and have to restart the entire section over again. If you're doing single player and you've already been downed, I recommend reloading your checkpoint whenever you reach another section of the mission so that way your respawns refresh.
This game is so average it should've been called : the averagers
literally a pun made by ACG, unless that's what you were referencing
Nice one haha
🤣
lets not pretend you didn't steal that from ACG
@@TsunamiWombat i don't remember if he said it exactly like this but yeah that's where I heard it
Wouldn't Kamala Khan's clothes rip off Hulk style when she gets giant? Also why does her backpack grow too? Is that part of her powers?
Yep.
Yeah, in the comics her clothes are coated with a chemical that allows them to stretch and change shapes with her body.
@@cytorakdemon Mr Fantastic's semen ?
@@ExNihil0 Underrated comment of the decade.
@@ExNihil0 no its covered in Comic book shit.
Now this is a review. Nearly an hour long that is what i'm talking about. I'm sick of UA-cam being flooded with basic 8-10 minute reviews of big AAA games I think 30-60 minute reviews are necessary to cover everything.
Especially reviews when people are like “tHIs gAmE iS SO tRasH” for 30 minutes straight
Facts
“Best Looter Campaign” borderlands 2 has entered the chat.
Borderlands isn't a games as a service type of game though. I feel like he was specifically comparing it to other Destiny-like service games.
Borderlands 2 is shit
@@Malus1531 how so? Not trying to be mean or anything, just curious.
@@duckbucks2170 It isn't, his statement has no argument to support his claim.
@@Malus1531 Everybody's entitled to their stupid opinion.
I'm not even interested in this game but watching SkillUp reviews is just fun. And if that review is almost an hour long, that's the cherry on top!
SPOILERS:
She actually does get named an Avengers once you finish the Reigning Supreme post-game mission chain. It’s a “secret ending” of sorts.
Some exec: "Hmm... Not frustrating enough. Frustrated players are more likely to spend."
if this game didn't have marvel's name tagged on and was some generic superhero game, it'd be hailed as the worst cash grab superhero game ever
I said out loud "hohohoo boy" when I saw the video's length
Seriously? You're the best.
"Seriously? you're the best."
No doubt... Nothing will ever keep you down.
Seriously? You're the best.
You're a lifesaver.
A for the robot armies, they should have just skipped AIM and done an Ultron story. It would make more sense.
And robots shouldn't make up 95% of the game's enemies.
"i actually think it has a bright future"
Oh... Oh Ralph...
I'll try it a year from now when it's free-to-play.
Play Warframe. It's better and it's free.
@@sushigimme Said no one ever
@@sushigimme well destiny 2 is also f2p and in my opinion best in this genre.
Mayur Makwana f2p but u need to buy the dlc to actually experience it properly suurrree
@@sko3925 everyone is saying that
Are the fps drops rendering bugs or the actually in game. Looks horrible
I think it's actually in game
I was literally just about to comment this. It looks so, so bad.
i think it might just be his recording. I never had any noticeable fps drops in my playthrough
Depends on how much time he is playing, once i was playing Days Gone and Last of Us for a long time on the PS4 pro, crap just started to break for some reason, textures would load half way and stop, fps would constantly drop, meanwhile i'm here playing Crysis 3 at max settings on my medium range PC for hour without any fps drops.
I won a copy and I have to say that I never had noticable frame drops or game breaking bugs on ps4. The only thing I've noticed were some textures loading pretty late.
I think the biggest missed opportunity in this game's story was never having Kamala actually meet her idol, Carol Danvers, in person. She just kind of takes the name Ms. Marvel without their being much gravitas behind it since the game assumes you already know everything about this character already from the comics, which is really lazy.
Thank God, never meet your heroes was never so true.
This review's conclusion aged like a fine glass of milk.
Finally! The hype around this game already died so quickly lol
It died the moment they showed an actual trailer and gameplay.
Ikr! I'm so happy i decided to cancel ny preorder. Yikes. I'll maybe play it in a year or so from now.
Lol
@@blackmanwithcomputer exactly like everyone already knew it wasn't ganna turn out good at all lol
@@spartan_a1176 Pretty much. The moment we saw footage, my brothers and I collectively said "Nah" "This ain't it." "Out here looking like a non-purchase."
Rip Deus Ex. We won't see a Deus Ex because of this Avengers live service cash grab.
More like cash crap
And tomb raider as well :(
ikr.
We never asked for this.
This is nothing compared to the butchering of Mass Effect to make Anthem
What a shame. What a rotten way to die.
Why should I be excited for the next generation of video games when every single year, there’s a new “live service” like Avengers that gets released in a shoddy state? And they want us to pay more for video games? Go to hell, Square Enix and everyone else.
Mitchell Harrison the graphics looks very outdated
Because there are still enough polished single player games out there? Stop being entitled.
@Mitchell Harrison That's only in retrospect, every new FF has been a graphical showcase since at least the HD era, I honestly thought FF XVI was a DLC for XV, it looks almost just like it.
Because this is just one game of many
@@12Daniel34 it seems this one will be cross platform, but even still theres two things - the in game footage in the trailer and most else is in overcast, so it looks flat because the lighting can't be seen. The other is the overall nature of the setting I think. It will take a full look at the game, but I think people are expecting some kind of "OMG it looks like real people" type of jump. We are basically at the point where resolutions, textures mapping and lighting are what we are improving, along with facial animations and subsurface scattering. It's not like ps3 to ps4 even where we were using resolutions way to low for how big our TVs were lol
So basically this is Destiny: Marvel edition?
“Wait! This power is changing you, old friend!”
But worse
Marvel fan boys who dont like destiny, like this game.
Iron was my favourite to play with.
They had to make all the other characters dull or annoying so Kamhla shines by comparison.
Well their issue with that strategy is NO ONE is buying this game to play as Kamala Harris.
They were hoping to play as the heroes they know, love, and care about
but iron man is always annoying he doesn't shut up usually even in the comics, he's basically like spiderman, you just get use to it, or you don't mind it. Personally i can listen to spiderman all day he's entertaining, Iron man not so much, i prefer when he doesn't speak much he was always my lease liked character in marvel.
I never hated Kamala Khan, just they made her comics shit, i read few issues of her first go they weren't bad, but then SJW bullshit came up, so i dropped it. If this game makes her fan girl I'm fine with that, if game doesn't push agenda I'm fine.
@@kyotheman69 I know. He is bloody annoying. Is he suposed to be deadpool? It kills it. I turned the volume down.
@@kyotheman69 It didn't push any of that
Highly doubt they sabotaged the characters in a live service game to make the main in the story afterthought shine. No... I’m afraid crystal dynamics just spent too much time on the things we didn’t care about like the live service framework, and forgot to make gameplay that was fun. The characters Are mostly fun to play with. Cap and Black Widow were my personal favorites but Thor and Iron man are also fun. Didn’t care for hulk. But the characters aren’t the problem. It’s the enemies and missions that suck.
Risk of Rain 2 review incoming :o ?
Woolie!!! You’re the goat brother
If he had any kind of fun with this slow ass gameplay he will love RoS2
@@cdmooody I'm saying that avengers is slow compares to ros2
hello mr streamer
Unsure how you feel about it, eh?
It seems like there's a frame drop every 15 seconds.
Man the vault missions it seems it gets to like 10 frames when you underground fighting enemies 🙃
More like every single frame lmao, what a joke of a game. I played for half an hour at the Beta and the game was running at 15 fps at Medium settings with a 1060. What a joke of a game.
At the beginning of the review, when Tony Stark/Iron Man kept shouting those one liners....sounded alot like a Deadpool videogame b-cut, not gonna lie. Can definitely tell it's Nolan North
Odd how this game get's a pass, but other games like Anthem, Star Wars Battlefront and Battlefield V get crapped on.
Because Ralph makes it pretty clear that the game is still fun, while kind of being a mess. And it's a workable mess.
Anthem wasn't even *close* to a workable mess. It was a literal flaming bag of fucking trash, that only got pushed out because EA wanted an MMO game without thinking about the consquenses. This applies the same to Battlefront 2. Battlefield 5 suffered from a poor ad campaign.
hisnitch he also makes it clear that this game is buggier than Anthem was at launch. At least anthem was fucking playable at launch. The main problem with anthem was the ridiculous excuse of missions they implemented to make the game longer because there was no endgame.
@@Hisnitch I think he admitted that he loves Loot grind games like Destiny, even when he hates everything about, his bias about how fun grinding is; has clouded his judgement.
Watch this review from start to finish and write a list of every pro vs con he mentions.
He practically only ever praised the campaign and even then, only for some of the mission structures.
"The Averagers"
pretty good kid!
AVERAGERS ASSEMBLE
next year!!!!!
Sry, couldnt watch for more than 15 minutes, that framerate gave me legit motion sickness...
Wait... There are visuals? I've been listening/giggling over comment section
ikr. was this on pc?
@@kseries1981 I believe so.
@@kseries1981 button prompts are of console. But then again, he could have been using a controller
Another excellent review mate. Definitely holding off on this one. The interruptions to combat look infuriating just in these short clips, deal break for me. Developers need to put you on the payroll. This 55 minute gives SqEnx everything they need to fix the game.
What bothers me more than the cosmetic outfit microtransactions(mtx), which definitely are abhorrent, is the normalization of making takedowns a cosmetic mtx. These are an action I trigger, that I can essentially make into cinematic combo finisher. Yet some of the most cinematic takedowns cost 12 dollars a piece in a game and have been in the game since launch.
If I worked for Warner Brother or NetherRealm I would be licking my chops, seeing all the people okay with paying for takedowns, I would put X-Rays behind a paywall and even the fatalities. Soon I would start locking other combos behind paywalls because really it is just a cosmetic, the gamer can still do the same damage with the few combos they have already been given.
There's a paywall for TAKEDOWNS? Jesus christ, this is black ops 4 red dot level shit lol
@@haydeng3316 There are 5 five total, you get two from the start and one from the battle pass. The last two are bought from the store for 12 dollars a piece...meaning to pay for each characters two takedown would cost 140+ dollars.
@John Mangum I remember when people were outraged to pay for basic content that was already there at launch. You already paid for them, you should get every finisher baseline. Mobile game ass system.
Sawyer remember the outrage over the horse armor? "Nah that wont be normalized, who would pay for that shit?"... *flash forward 10 years* ....
@John Mangum You're partially correct, in about 3.5 weeks if you complete every daily and weekly for each character you should have completed all their hero cards which would give you 7800 credits. This enough to purchase 6 of the 12 total takedowns in the marketplace. The remaining 6 takedowns can only be obtained by purchasing credits with real money. That purchase would cost you 60-70 dollars depending on how you purchase the credit packs.
I also never implied I HAVE to have takedowns, however, it would be nice if they were included with my purchase to help break the monotony of the combat.
there's no use crying over the story, this being an online multiplayer game... it's a cash grab game... the "story" is just to trick the 50% of the gamers that don't really like co-op campaigns but love to play story modes so still they give it a try.
Microtransactions on day 1 in non-free games is honestly just unacceptable, but we've somehow come to expect it.
“Best looter campaign” umm, borderlands 2?
Exactly
Yeah BL2 can't be beat. Especially Handsome Jack.
He obviously means Live service looter.
Remember when we saw the trailer for Avengers Project like years ago and we were so hyped and thought we might actually get a decent avengers game? So much for that.
All that hype was all for nothing than a grindy monatised mess
Just gotta say Skill Up: you are one of the few game reviewers on UA-cam whose perceived views seem to line up pretty well with my own. So always appreciate the great reviews. Now, off to start my third playthrough of Wasteland 3 (loving this game).
"your a captain marvel fan" I laughed at that.
I know, who could be a fan of her?
Itt people who don't understand that Captain Marvel is just Ms.Marve with a different title and has been around for decades...