Not of This Earth: Were There Unidentified Orbiting Objects in 1950? With Beatriz Villarroel
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- There were nine transient objects orbiting Earth in 1950, seven years before the first ever satellite. Beatrriz Villarroel joins John Michael Godier to discuss this mystery.
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This channel is one of the highlights of my week. It is always a joy to open UA-cam and see you have a new interview every Thursday. You are my nighttime story. Keep doing what you do❤
Wow, thank you!
Same
Is JMG also the nicest person on the internet?
i like him because his ability to explain complex subject without being a condensing asshole.
He's the Bob Ross of space
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@@JohnMichaelGodier I'm gonna be very disappointed if I don't see some happy little supernovae in this episode
Id love to take him the pub for a pint and a chat.
Yes! Beatriz Villaroel is one of your very best repeat guests. Some of my favorite episodes.
Correction: Dr VillaRroel
But actually the observatories on Earth will become useless like in years ? Seems self destruction by own pollution is very realistic great filter to check ✅
I have been waiting for an update from her. Its so good to see someone actually making progress on a search effort.
I absolutely love falling into the event horizon.
Thank you Mallory!
When you see footage of an object approaching then turning and looping away from the sun *without* actually going around it the way a slingshot would.. it gets you thinking.
Another great episode! 🙂
@Aqua Fyre We are talking about the Sun here. The object that's almost 28 times stronger in gravitational pull than the Earth, or 99.86% of the solar systems gravity. Objects do not simply loop away from it without going around first, a direct approach followed by a turning around and going back off in the same direction it came from isn't something that can be accounted for with any natural object, because it would either have to slingshot or simply crash into the atmosphere.
Edit: This is one mere instance by the way, there is a lot of activity constantly going on around it pretty much all of the time. I've seen stranger things in footage of it, but figured I would give the more lightweight example of a glowing object defying expected natural behaviour
@Aqua Fyre I'm not going to address the obvious and expected dismissal of any likely evidence. After all, if something doesn't make sense to *you* then its stupid to suggest it, right? Right??
If you actually want to see it yourself put pfW7UaeeeWc into the YT search bar. And before you come back, no i don't really care what you think it is.
The only event for me was pre-quadcopter days, where i saw at night a bright spec of light that was moving unlike anything i knew then or now, that isn't a quadcopter, and at that relative size.
@@aserta If you want to see stuff get a decent IR camera. It's actually crazy the things people capture with them which otherwise would be invisible
@Aqua Fyre @Aqua Fyre I'm not particularly invested in proving to you specifically the object is not of natural origin. I will say from what I recall reading, the object has remained unexplained by astronomers which you would think includes any strange behaving asteroids. I personally don't bother analysing footage of unprovable probably trivial sightings of unknown objects, I focus on those which are either unexplained and obviously abnormal in behaviour or appearance. A couple more examples I can pick off the top of my head is potential evidence of nuclear detonations on mars around 200m years ago, look up the name Dr. J Brandenburg if that intrigues you. Another would be the presence of uranium on the surface of the Moon among other metals which really shouldn't be there (this one i read about years ago hence vagueness), without bothering to mention the other million strange things about, on and around the moon (had to mention this>) like the miles high towers.
One thing I don't mind doing, even if its for fanatical skeptics, is linking footage. So here's another - Ps5i3ft93YM -
You can try and speculate what that is, and I'm guessing one suggestion will be a SP. But again I just don't care, it could be an elephant and you might suggest it's a rhino. And I can appreciate that in all honesty, because the implications of this stuff I'm mentioning are quite terrifying for us as a species, but I'm a realist. If much of this stuff really is artificial in origin, we really ought to figure out who, where, why, and their intentions.
*The best line in the entire interview... "We don't care about you, we're here to study the cats"...Effing brilliant* 😆👍
5am, up super early, and I get to start my day in the Event Horizon.
Nice!
Hello there on the other side of The Earth
@@jayceegenocide4402 hello from roughly the same side of the planet as your good self 🏴🙂
You stood up and fell in to the EVENT ⭕HORIZON
@@jayceegenocide4402 :D Ni hao! :D (Chinese for hello)
I saw an UAP in Jyväskylä, Finland last Thursday around 19:30. It was a bright white dot and had a significant energy field around it. The most interesting part was that it moved around EXACTLY like a water meter/water strider moves on water. Kinda like in small pulses, but it covered several hundred meters at least in each pulse. It also visually spread out and then returned back into a dot. My first thought was that the energy field around it had a lensing effect and that caused the visual phenomena. I thought I was crazy but I stopped some random lady and pointed the area in the sky for her and she witnessed the same thing. She was truly terrified. I’ve never seen such a primal reaction to anything from her and I later I felt a bit guilty to even include her in witnessing the thing.
I’m now truly in awe and strongly believing that we can bend spacetime somehow, even if it wasn’t aliens per se, then at least we are having said technology and it’s just not public information yet.
Was that your first sighting? In beautiful Finland no less :) I've had 3 (maybe 4... not sure about the last one) sightings. None of them frightened me. (isn't that weird, really?) But I've also seen one paranormal entity and that one did scare me. Anyway, I may be WAY off here, but I feel like a lot of sightings are definitely intentional on the part of the UAPs. Others are surprises, on both parties sides. Those are the ones that truly frighten people. I don't know where i was going with this 😂
@@debralucas9519 It was my 2nd sighting. The location is VERY near to a certain (military) public airport so I thought about the possibility of it being some sort of a military drone. It doesn’t change the fact how effing weirdly and otherwordly it moved around. Let me know if you find the point you were trying to make. 😅
@@miomimomiro It would have to be some crazy technology for a drone to move the way you described... Back to trying to remember my point 😂
I and my family,neighbors and many other people witnessed one in daylight. It was enormous so there was really no way of missing it. It must have been 1500 feet, and I say this because it was moving over a cliff . Moore's wall. In hanging rock state park. NC. I'm sure many tourists saw it also but who can say.
Anyway it appeared with an explosion so loud you could feel it inside our house. At the same time power went off. I thought a car hit a pole naturally so I ran out of the house and it was there! In all its glory feeling the sky silent as sin... I was extremely unafraid for some reason. It was calming to be there for some reason. As it passed over an older man had a heart attack when he saw it. Then it was gone! Just disappeared.
@@stephenhurd1489 Cool!! Thanks for sharing.
I love it when women are featured on this channel! They are an inspiration for girls and women everywhere. And it was uploaded on women’s day too! Thanks!
Dr Villarroel is of now my favorite return guest on this dog'n'possum show you're running! 🥇
I was sold at "transient space cats" but her tenacity & resolve to confidently follow the evidence even when it leads into _gasp_ heterodox territory 😱 is the hallmark of a great scientist. One worth our attention, says Me.
Thank you both for this high quality interview!
This entire episode was worth listening to for the very last thing said. "You only live once. Do what you are curious about." I will be thinking about this for some time now. Thank you so much!
Imagine a mission to retrieve one or few of them, bring them back and eventually find (somehow) out they have been recording Earth’s history for thousands of years.
Dude (or dudet), that's deep. I would be scared and intrigued by both them and what they have recorded.
@@ChaseBlackmoon Dude my friend. If there’s a possibility of super advanced aliens, they could have recorded things like the Roman Empire or how the pyramids in Egypt were built. We could be one of many planets being watched.
Like Elon said we are like ants to them but we can gather gold we do have a purpose . They say when we did nukes we broke slave time and they became aware and came .
@@Space_RebelThat would be an even bigger discovery than aliens themselves. It would be fascinating!
May the force be with you!
@@MCsCreations MTFBWY too. 👍
37:00 "Hand over all of your cat videos or prepare to be destroyed"
I offer Mr Baggins, the greatest cat ever. Please let me live.
John your questions are so thoughtful. Thank you both for sharing your time ❤️
YAY!!! A new Event Horizon. Great listening while I’m at work.
The entire episode I felt like I was in a conversation with you two guys, pretty comfy, feels like home.
Really? To me it felt like two robots reading a script back and forth lol. Monotone question followed by “yes thank you for that question here is my monotone answer” Not natural at all, no flow and a slog to listen to with no real information provided. To be fair I couldn’t make it to the the end.
Fantastic podcast John, your knowledge, questions and banter is just a pleasure to listen to 🙏🏼
Great interview! Great questions and insights. Truly enjoyed it. What amazing things might be coming over our event horizon! 😋
26:40 " they came for the cats and we're of no consequence" JMG, you are hysterical. Love it. Like 'so long and thanks for all the fish'.
I've only known about this podcast for about six months, it's become one of the most important and entertaining of them all, to me anyway... always looking forward to the next one.👍😃👍
Fantastic information and awesome work. This needs to be shared!
Great interview! I love Event Horizon! Thanks for the episode.
I'm fascinated by this subject!
What a great episode! Many thanks.
Glad you get right into the discussion immediately with the guest.
Brilliant episode, both your interviews with Beatriz have been amongst the best I`ve listened too. I find her frankness on the stigma in the scientific community interesting and yet depressing. How can scientists even call themselves such when they have such closed minds? Its against the very scientific principle. Funds are not released yet governments officially support religions and the existence of an omnipresent, omnipotent supra being when the maths (and common sense) is on the side of alien life. More please.
Yup. If there was actual proof of one god, I'd believe that every god worshipped by humans may be real - I'd just have to find them.
There is actual proof that there is life on a planet - Earth. That means I believe it is possible elsewhere - we just need to find it.
I think this is exactly the reason they're skeptical of claims like these, the amount of people I see nowadays that say "aliens are real, the government doesnt want you to know but the aliens are actually biblical god and disproves all of science and that the bible is real" or what I saw a ton of when the JWST launched which was "JWST discovered something that terrified scientists, that caused a crisis in cosmology and proves that the big bang was wrong and actually god created everything"
Hearing this all the time spoken with absolute confidence trains scientists to be excessively skeptical because a ton of people genuinely take advantage of science and scientific jargon to push their own interests or con people. This is why extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
This is not because you may wear a white "scientific outfit" in a lab that it makes you a scientist. Just look at the illness industry and you will easily find they don't really apply the scientific principle.
The secret to follow the "very scientific principle" is, in my opinion, to remember:
1. That we don't know. Because we know that we don't know, we want to know more! ;) (I know!... That's a lot of "know"...)
2. Learn to ask better questions: Albert Einstein said (surely in a better way than my intent!) that the answer is at another level than the problem. Thus, asking questions at the level of the solution makes you a better scientist.
3. The observer affects the experience; always: Mainly because we want to try to prove/disprove something we think (or were thinking in the beginning). Questioning our paradigms (filters of the mind) may let us understand why we were thinking "this" in the first place and, so, allows us to re-frame our mental process in a more "scientific" way. Just my PoV.
What a brilliant follow up episode with all this!!
I really do enjoy listening to your uploads while I stream and game. Your voice is perfect, its not too coarse, or too quiet, its just perfect!
Thankyou for being one of the FEW & maybe only astronomy channel who takes UAP evidence seriously.
Great episode! One of my favourites
Really glad she is working on this! 👍
WOW I can’t wait to listen to this one, John! So psyched!
That was a wonderful interview thank you!
I am amazed by all the in depth discussions in various domains regarding aliens and UFOs (i will stick with that term for now.) I'm turning 65 next month and for most my life trying engage people on this topic would quickly end with short or curt platitudes, no mater how much logic I try to interject. Heck, even Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michael Shermer have softened their disdain for this topic. It is an exciting time. truly.
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena is certainly a better description but I still use UFO for the most part.
Would love to hear Tyson explain his abduction
I'll be honest, part of the reason I hope we discover evidence of aliens and UFOs is just to watch all the extreme critics have to eat their words lol.
Also 65 recently and having seen 3 different type of craft since 2006 , I can say its great that it is coming out into the open and that we are not all going crazy . I want to know wth these craft are , why are they here , what are they up too .
@@trip5003 🏍️up to. It's a two letter word you can't spell.
I like the term of Unidentified Orbiting Objects instead. It's even more fun to say. UOO!
Another excellent interview. Great post.
One of highlights of my week , nothing better than ending the working week with Event Horizon.
Please add chapters. Love your content!
JMG, your interviewing skills are unrivaled on the internet. You ask imaginative, probing questions and your in-depth knowledge shines through and I think it provokes deeper and more expansive responses from your guests. I was thrilled to see Beatriz on here again since her previous visit when she first touched on this subject. Perhaps she should reach out to Elon to get funding. It seems right up his alley. Keep up the great work. Peace and love.☮💗
The chemistry between you two was nice. The laughing and giggles
I think this has been my favourite episode yet
Event Horizon keeps delivering surprising stuff !
Wow!!! I never new anything about the slide plates from the 50s, it looks very convincing as there is more than one anomaly. Thanks john❤️👍🏴
What a wonderful show this week, and what a wonderful guest. Truly enjoyed it!
brilliant episode, as always very interesting :)!
Wow, what a great interview!
This was one of the best episodes every
Necessary discussion between two vitally important trailblazing figures. I support you both all the way.
Really enjoyed this one, thank you so much
Such great questions
Love her and Avi. Very interesting, thanks again.
The 9 objects in 1950 she mentioned is pretty interesting; one of the very first UFO sightings from 1947 also involved 9 objects
9 pops up quite a bit in UFO lore.
Great chemistry on this interview!
Amazing episode, again
Wonderful interview
I love Dr. Villarroel; like Dr. Loeb she’s unafraid of the stigma and has genuine positivity and excitement about trying to answer the most important question in existence.
His soothing voice, manner, intellect and ability to draw the best in class guests are legendary. Paul Harvey would be envious. Thank you JMG.
Very humble and nice guest.
Also very objective in her answers.
Great interview.
Yesss happy event horizon Thursday 🙃
Her extreme confidence that no Nobel prize would be awarded to someone who proved the existence of alien life is a little bizarre.
I don’t see what some random person with a cellphone ufo photo has to do with it, it’s about an actual hard discovery that can be researched.
I think she was just being modest !
Excellent guest, I hope we'll have her back on the program
Not alot of things will snag my attention like alien theories next to reputable names
The first to explain something is different than the first to see it. I think a Nobel is possible.
This is a great concept. Looking at old photographic plates to get a better idea of where to look in the future 💚♾️
You two were so soothing to listen to...great conversation....i was 10 years old when sputnik flew over,people would turn their lights off...now look where we are🔭
What an amazing woman. I liked that she has an open mind and can embrace the possibilities of all different outlooks. She knows her limits. Thank you for this interview.♥
Stellar show, full of hope, dreams and a bit of humor.
Interesting topic and great guest!
Fascinating. Before 1947 there are military pictures of the Foo Fighters, pictures of the event known as the battle of LA and also in Italy, to name a few.
I'm so glad that we're actually talking about this after so many years of ridicule. Like 20 years ago if I talked about things like this people would look at me like a psychiatric patient and now I'm able to talk with many sane people about these things all the time now.
Absolutely. Finally the stigma is gradually fading.
Brilliant name for the show. Once you immerse yourself in the JMG content, you arent getting out. Youre hooked.
Wow !! Very exciting !! Let's hope they get all the necessary funding !
Really enjoyed this one.
Not like I don't enjoy them all but I thought this was extra great. :)
Really enjoyed this episode.
Hope Beatriz makes a big discovery very soon.
If you don't get the Nobel prize, you can have the Genghis Carnage prize. A big battleaxe.
Fascinating stuff. Thumbs up.
i love the study this lady is doing.
My dad always spoke about this sort of thing.
Perhaps I missed something. Why does Beatrriz think the photograph shows objects in Earth orbit?
She does mention the possibility that the plate could have been damaged by nuclear test products but from my listen to the interview I feel she omits other possible transients.
i enjoyed listening to Ms. Beatriz talk about wanting to find things in space instead of inside the atmosphere.
Great video !
Best pod ever
Every night its JMG to relax and fall asleep and invariably I wake feeling smarter.
It's an intriguing topic, but it's the date of 1950 that makes me a tiny bit sceptical. It's just so close to Sputnik that earlier classified tests are not entirely beyond the realm of possibility. The Germans launched a V2 rocket above the Karman line in 1944, and both US and Soviet rockets were based on that technology. So, while it would have been challenging to achieve a satellite launch with the technology of 1950, it was definitely possible, and both the US and Soviet Union had the knowledge and resources to make it happen using rocket technology derived from the V-2. I'd be more inclined to think space junk from test launches (eg. spent second stages, minus the actual satellite), rather than aliens. On the other hand, nine is a lot! There's an awful lot of stuff from that time period still classified, so that might make it challenging to confirm. I'd be quite interested if there were similar plates from a few decades earlier, say the 20s or 30s. That would be compelling.
What's particularly interesting is that some of the objects, if present, appeared to be in geosynchronous orbit according one of Dr. Villaroel's papers. That constrains things a lot. Geosyncronous orbit was hypothesized in the 20's, but no one really thought about using it for satellites until 1945. The tech to achieve it didn't exist until significantly after 1950. I think the first actual satellite in that orbit was 1962.
Also BTW, there are definitely plates previous to 1950, with some surveys going back to the 1890's. So there are tons of pre-1950 plates that could be searched.
@@JohnMichaelGodier if they could find such anomalies on those plates it'd be fascinating.
It's possible that a satellite was secretly launched sooner than we thought. Rocket launches are pretty noticable though. You would have to launch it at the right time in a remote part of the world. I once saw a weird object glowing in the sky for a good 20 minutes. Turns out it was a rocket 100s of miles away in a different state.
I find it hard to believe that something capable of being seen from multiple states could light up the sky in an era where people went outside a lot more and it not make every newspaper in the country.
Respectfully… seven years is a long time in recent history. No chance of human-origin orbital objects in 1950.
“We only live once… do what you are curious about.” Any advice better than this? Not that I can think of.
Wow that was an interesting subject. I’d like to pursue this more. It might have some shocking results.
Even if we dont find alien life out there, we can take comfort that we are not alone.
We have each other, and thats all we need.
i could listen to this podcast all day.. actually.. when i first found this channel, thats what i did.. i watched every single video released over the past 2 of years in a couple of days lol.. now, i always look forward to the next upload, and when i see the video is 20 mins, instead of 3 hours, i feel a bit of sadness.. lol
Reminds me of ST: the Voyage Home. The aliens came to talk to the whales, not the humans. 😊
The movie wasn’t realistic. Should have been dolphins. Lol
@@Space_Rebel nah, dolphins are jerks.
Man she's great. Definitely need her back on heavy rotation. Gonna go email her a marriage proposal brb guys
I recommend an insane level of caution when looking for alien artifacts in our own solar system. Such an artifact is what caused all the trouble in The Expanse, and reality is often much weirder than fiction.
Were well into the weirdness at this point
I enjoy JMGs content! He always has the best guests and seems very down to earth! (no pun intended) 😉
This is Ed Castro, Astronomy Professor. I loved this chapter.
Thank you Ed.
idea for videos- breaking down WHY other things got ruled out. why aren’t these asteroids, why aren’t these stars, etc etc. would be a way to make these feel more mysterious, by letting us in on the mystery :)
Those anomalies from 1950 could have been a signal that the study of humanity was complete, we weren't that interesting, and requested a UFO Uber for a pick up.
Unidentified Orbiting Objects (UOO) need a class. Then you also have Unidentified Aquatic Objects (UAO).
Deep discussion of "UAO UOO" can be overheard at malls frequented by teenagers.
Wonderful gest
I love this guest. Very engaging. Wonderful to hear from working experimentalists doggedly hacking away at the edge of their fields.
I hope the first alien message we can understand goes something like, "Yo -- this universe is _really frakking weird,_ right?"
Delighted to hear a giggle from JMG