Children - An Israeli OBSESSION (no happy ending here)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Israeli society is obsessed with children. In this video, I will show you an Israeli city where the average number of children per woman is 7.2. I will then touch on the political, historical, and religious aspects behind this high number.
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0:00 - Intro
0:20 - children per woman in Israel
6:28 - Modi’in Illit
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I am Indian. I'm not Jewish. But, once I started watching, I could not stop. Your analysis and presentation skills are really on par.
“On par” = “similar to”
Similar to who?
Or did you mean, “on point”?
@@fleur257xD
What a great convo 🤣
Yes he’s pretty good presenter. And this rift within the groups in Israel is a problem. Thank you for watching. Come visit Israel. It’s truly a great dynamic stimulating international and fun country.
I stand with Israel! 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 I’m secular Swedish and Californian. ❤ I’m with Israel all the way! עם ישראל חי ❤️
❤ Am Israel Chai.
As a woman who cannot have children and only has one nephew, i can say What a blessing to be surrounded by all those kiddos! My husband and I have always loved kids but it apparently isn't in Gods plan for us. God bless you! ❤
if its okk to ask have you tried adoption?
@chairmanxijinpooh8392how old are you 😂😂
@@giovanni545This is not an appropriate thing to ask someone expressing they are infertile.
@@kjsaaaaaaaaWhy not? Why does it have to be your own children for them to be considered YOUR children? This is a valid question and there are so many children growing up without a single parent that picking one up would be like heaven for one of these little innocent creatures.
@chairmanxijinpooh8392like you weren't a kid once ....
You are selfish and selfcentred 😮😮😮😢😢😢
You should do more commentary, Oren. You bring an honest and grounded insight and nuance that is too often missing from other "experts.
Agree. Highly intelligent and compassionate young man.
He is not honest at all. What ab0out the so-called Palestinians having 7+ kids, take money from the government for all kinds of programs in addition to many of them raising their families to support and engage in terror but its only the religious Jews he has a problem with?! what a disguising person, these kind of secular liberal haters have no right calling themselves Jewish!
Oren, you're an Israeli national treasure, particularly relevant nowadays, spelling out all the myths, prejudices and ,yes, all lies spread about Israel in such compelling well informed manner that is hard to argue with . you're open, you're fair in your judgement, you're leaving space to the other to counter argue if they can, that is, you really are the finest Israeli example shown to the world.
Commendable what you're doing.
First let me break down the lies in this video. Children are used for political reasons. Israel has an large Arab population and the Jews are encouraged to have more children so that they remain the majority. 2, Arabs in Israel are treated like second class citizens and Jews are always prioritized. Christian run schools receive less government funding than Jewish schools. 3. Israel restricts where Palestinians can go, what they can do, and where they can live. Israel sees them as pests and have even banned people talking about the Palestinian genocide the nakba which is the forced displacement of millions of Palestinians.
@@alileevil 1. Israel is a jewish country so it doesn't matter if they want to make as many children as they want to keep it as such.
2. Ask any israeli arab do you want to live under israeli governance or palestinian governance 8/10 will say israeli.
3. Israel restricts them because they don't want hostile immigrants in their country and since 2nd intifada israel's policy has changed 180. from peace to national security.
4. Nakba wasn't a genocide, first go and read the definition of genocide. more people have been displaced by orders of arab leaders in 1948 than by IDF. from 1947-49 more than 40 million indians and pakistanis were displaced becuase of partition, today they are completely assimilated in their country so palestinians weren't the only ones displaced of their homes. it happened everywhere in the world in the last century, Japanese, germans, greeks, etc.
@@alileevilYou bot ,Yr copy paste " Scroll comment " pure propaganda lies
Honestly Oren I truly appreciate your commentary. It isn't enough to visit a country and be a passive viewer but to become part of the community while there and the only way to do that is through understanding the daily life and struggles of the everyday person there
Thanks!
@@Travelingisraelinfo Oren how do you think future Israeli governments will solve the problem of ultra orthodox Jews? And how Israeli people perceive them?
Well Oren, you missed one major point : When European weman were asked in a poll why they don't have kids they answered "self fulfilling".
When Israeli weman were asked why so many kids they answered "self fulfilling".
As a Jewish woman who was raised in a Western country without knowledge about my Jewish heritage, I can tell you that it is just a reflection of society.
Western society expects just the women to do all the work of raising kids.
Now men are being accountable too, but the number of divorce and fathers that just abandon their kids is way too high!
In the Jewish community grandparents, uncles and aunts, even neighbors help the couple to raise the kid.
When I met my Jewish family I understood the saying "it takes a village to raise a child".
@@sarahisatitagain I agree that is a problem in western society. It does depend on your family though and your family background and relationships.
Exactly. I went to Israel and my husband is like, you complain about having 2 kids and these women have more than you and they are happy. Is because their men step up and fill the gap where is needed. Is call parenting but in western country is more like mothering, parenting is both parents not just the mother. A mother gives birth in Europe she is alone, some help there and there. In Israel a woman has a proper support system, and same with the men
@@mariemunzar6474 @Sarah Noronha It's also helping that in most places in Israel kids play outside with no fear.
They grow up to be more free and independent like that, and so are the parents, I have only 3 and I wish I'd had 2 more ..
@@asnoguenld Perhaps you can square your last sentence with what Oren said about the Orthodox. He said the men study the Talmud all day, pray, argue with each other on how many angels can stand on a pin head and do next to nothing else. Oren was too delicate to explain that they also find time to fornicate, hence the number of children. They are largely poor, because, in addition to looking after the entire tribe of kids single-handedly, the women are forced out to work to obtain a crust to feed the kids AND the lazy husband. I am English. Throughout my childhood, my Dad worked an average of 60 hours per week plus travelling time yet he still found plenty of time for us. His idea of washing up was to THREATEN the dirty dishes with the washing up brush meaning that most of it had to be done again but he still showed willing. He was a adept at using the vacuum cleaner as my Mum. My parents were responsible having just my brother and I, so, as a family we were not beggars at museums as Marie Munzar above suggests that many American parents are. Not that that was a problem in Britain as the vast majority of museums and galleries have free entry.
I've fallen down the rabbit hole of your vids! I'm thrilled to learn all about Israel, something never covered in Canadian schools. Yes, we learned about the Holocaust and met a survivor, but the history, not so much. Please stay safe so we may enjoy your videos for a long time to come.
I'm diaspora African in Europe and living in London, in Christian and my husband is Carribean. We went to Israel and I notice how people love kids and how dads are comfortable pushing buggy and very patient when they see kids. I see the Jewish woman has a superwoman, she can have her kids and spend time with her cause the man has her back, because he was brought that way. And I believe everybody has experience with children cause everybody grew up with sibling and helped out, the men when they grow up and have their baby, they don't shy away from the role, and the ladies can be mothers knowing the have someone supportive. In the west some people from non westerner background, are open to the idea of having more kids, but certain things need to be in place, otherwise it is traumatic, especially for the mother. Is all about the society
You think Israel is heaven for families...Perhaps what you don't see is the high divorce rate, esp. among secular israelis. What drives this is the socio-economic stress associated with raising a family with three childen. Everybody has three kids! Life in Israel is expensive, both parents have to work in order to afford raising these kids. Israeli society is very conformist. There is a lot of pressure on the parents to provide the kiddies with everything that their friends kids have - the latest cell fone, the latest computer game, the latest travel destination, etc, etc. So for a long period of time parents are slaves to what they created and this leads to a build up of stress, lack of intimacy, estrangement in the relationship. Then when the kids are a little older, the stress lifts and the marriage explodes.
just don't try to LIVE in isisrael because they are RACIST AF.... just look how they treat the REAL Ethiopian Jews... do NOT be deceived by the Synagogue of SATAN
You are israeli and trying to make a story to show Israel a beautiful country, you are trying to fool people.I know who the israelis are
@@eb4452 I don't agree. Do you live in Israel? Is this your experience?
@Sarah Moorman Yes, I live in Israel and yes, this is my experience. Of course, generalizations are only that, but so many people I know personally have had the experience I described. Israel is a conformist society. In my generation, especially we were expected to marry early and have children. Like little robots we did, got married, had children, worked, and when they flew the coop, we were left facing each other...
Hi!
Oren you speak well with a little humor too!
I'm an American living in Israel almost 50 years!! Can't believe it myself! My 7 children are married now with families of their own!.
We are all considered orthodox Jews& I must reiterate that all of my children have completed their high school education plus their BA (or BSc ) degree. All of them consider Torah learning as the most prominent aspect of their lives....their degrees help them contribute to the working society- as teachers, engineers, nurses, high- tech.,accountants,architects & dayanim--but their personal lives show that they'll encourage
Torah observance as superior & the most meaningful in their lives- especially emphasizing this in educating their children.
This is the amazing power ofJews as a demographic.
How come orthodox jews are closed to outsiders? I saw a video of jewish guy going into orthodox jew city and was treated very rudely. Also in Israel orthodox always cause issues when christians and Muslims pray in Jerusalem.
I know what you mean. I owe my education to my Jewish community. I grew up in a large suburban community with a huge Jewish diaspora. I lived around the corner from them and later I would discover that every parent in that household had an advanced degree. They put a lot of pressure on the school system because they not only had children in it but also paid the most in taxes -- they wanted their money's worth! I received the equivalent of a private school education through high school. There was even enough money for a trade school for students who didn't plan on going to college but would prepare them for the trades so they could get apprenticeships quickly. It was great until they began moving away... their children were graduating and leaving the "nest." They sold their homes and left the area... and took their tax money with them! In the meantime, our local economy took "hits" and the welfare population in town exploded. Before I graduated, I saw the school system reduced to the basics -- what was required by law. The tech school closed. Extracurricular was also at a min. No more lacrosse, tennis or hockey but they have a football team, of course. We used to have swim teams but the pools have been filled with concrete. The students don't learn home economics or auto maintenance let alone Latin & Portuguese either. Just Spanish and maybe French. Now, wealthy families send their kids to private schools while the public school kids are trying to figure out which bathroom to use. Because that's what happens when you have a disproportionate number of people on public services versus high income earners. That's what is going to happen in Israel if they don't stay ahead of the "freeloaders." 😉😘
Bless your heart sir! Your point is very important as the orthodox Jews in Israel are all put in a box and judged harshly when in reality the extremist anti Zionist Haredim are a minority... I think the religious Jews in Israel are the backbone of our society...
I wish to clearly point out something ...
Oren did NOT say all 100% of ULTRA Orthodox Jews refuse to go for any higher education and hence unable to serve their country.
Of course there are "the different others" who are aware that living hand to mouth is not a good choice regardless how religious they wish to remain.
The main problem start with giving them a free ticket, not to work, happems only in Israel. I met an ultra orto in Toronto. This guy has 7 kids, but in Canada, if you want to eat, you need to work. This guy ia waiking up every morning and going tp work, family orientation is preserved and everyome is happy, the politics In israel made this poor group weak and their life stream is controlled by their representitive parties, sad and dangerous for years to come.
Hi Oren,
watching this in November of 2023 and the only not awful thing about the horrors you’re going through right now is that me and probably a lot of others just started educating myself about modern Israel. Especially about the historical and geopolitical situation of course, but I had no idea of i.e. the more everyday live concerning aspect mentioned here and if it was possible now, I’d love to visit your country right away.
Love from Germany.
When you hear of the divisions that existed before 07/10 in Israeli society, this video demonstrates it. Nowadays no one would dare make a video like this, not only because the external pressures changed, but also because the people of Israel from all walks of life changed.
Waw so much information !! I am a romanian living in Belgium and have 6 siblings . Everyone here is shocked when i tell them about my family , espacially because we are christians ( they always think that i am muslim for some reason ) but my experience in a family with 7 children was awsome , i love my family and you learn many beautiful principles just from being part of a big family ( we were not rich ) . It s a sad thing that "kids are a burden " and not a joy .. because there s no bigger joy then that of a child 🥰
Thanks for sharing , Owen . I watched your videous for years now , they are really interestin . Keep up the good work 😊
My sister is a Christian and they also have 7 children. Children ARE a blessing. I'm a Christian as well. We had 3 children: now we have 5 grandchildren ❤
Belgium is the second most densely populated proper country in Europe (I exclude the Vatican City, Monaco and San Marino , a large part of the registered population living outside of the territory of these micro-states). WHERE, in grossly over-populated Belgium, are all of your siblings going to live ? Anyone siring or giving birth to more than two children should be ashamed of themselves. Did you know that in 6 and possibly 7 African states that giraffes have been hunted to extinction by the multiplying and therefore hungry human population, there is a lot of meat on a giraffe. Unlike humans, giraffes do not drive cars, have no interest in nuclear power stations, and I cannot think that more than a handful of them will ever take it into their heads to fly in a polluting aeroplane. Meanwhile, human beings are destroying the planet. Who has the greatest right to live ..... giraffes or human breeding machines ? Those who want the supposed JOY of one child after another are gratuitously selfish and irresponsible. As Oren says, it is a grossly irresponsible sector of HIS population that is placing a burden on the more responsible which will, as he says, lead to the burden becoming intolerable. He suggests that the responsible population may leave. My money is on an almighty backlash against the Orthodox with them being fenced into their breeding hives and left to get on with it. NO MORE BENEFITS. The more responsible will insist on an income threshold for the right to vote in Knesset elections which will exclude the vast majority of the Orthodox and lead to a more sensible government. Never mind a two state solution, we may see a three state solution. From inside their enclaves, they will undoubtedly appeal to their brethren in New York for food aid which will be forthcoming, paid for by the taxes of the general American population, (despised, of course, just like you and I are despised, by the Orthodox as "Beasts walking on two legs") ..... at least, until the American beasts walking on two legs work out what is going on and mount a backlash of their own. THEN WHAT ?
What your parents have done is water under the bridge but let us hope that you and your siblings will be more responsible.
@@terryhoath1983 lol. I believe only God hath the authority to give and take; not mere humans.
I'm the opposite of you. As a Christian we are told to populate the Earth.
I rejoice in large families and believe they are a gift from God.
@@vanessaschoettle3380 Vanessa, you divine creature, Tell me where Jesus told us as Christians that we should go forth and multiply. As a Christian, you will be familiar with Matthew 5 in which Jesus declared, "It has been written ..... but " " " I " " " say unto you" consigning the Old Testament to be a history of quarrelling, murder, genocide, and superstition.
There are far too many human beings on the planet fowling the nest. We have the sea full of plastics and dangerous chemicals including nuclear waste. We have had a huge area of the Amazon Rain Forest destroyed because Bolsonaro released millions and millions of third, fourth and fifth sons of peasant farmers to slash, burn, destroy, an action that will affect the climate and therefore affect YOU. We have rain forest in Sumatra being destroyed to make way for palm oil plantations and many across the World wailing, "How terrible" when those wailing are responsible for it. Palm Oil is a wonderful product. It is very useful in making biscuits. Who eats biscuits ? Children do. Fewer children ..... less demand for palm oil .... no more destroying forests in Sumatra.
We have God's poor creatures being wiped out from the natural environment and fluffy lambs, beautiful calves, and mischievious goats living short lives of misery, their end coming long before their natural time in the animal equivalent of Belsen and Birkenau to satisfy the growing demand of vile unthinking and breeding meat-eaters. We have ever more dangerous chemicals being used on ever increasing areas of agricultural land to produce more and more food for the ever increasing number of predatory human animals.
You show me any country with a high birth rate and I will show you abject poverty including among the grossly irresponsible human population of the United States of America. A recent report concluded that 37 million people in America are living in abject poverty. They are in abject poverty not because they are all lazy, (some are) but often because they are kept down by the "Haves" who, breeding irresponsibly themselves, want to hang onto what they have got and they are not prepared to share.
The population of Nigeria grew by 5.2 million last year, leading to over a million of them attempting to cross the Sahara with the intention of invading Europe. The population of Afghanistan, a country NOT noted for inward migration, despite all the killing, has increased from a little under 4 million 50 years ago to 40.2 million today (UN estimate) and because they are facing mass starvation, WE are supposed to provide them with vast amounts of food aid. If we are stupid enough to provide that food aid it will only allow more Afghan men to abuse even more women using them as breeding machines. Afghanistan is now at its' limit of food production. In 50 year time, at the current rate of breeding, there will be 400 million of them. WHERE ARE THEY ALL GOING TO LIVE ? I'll tell you. You will have to make room for two or three of them in YOUR home ! You will then live in fear as just one act of perceived blasphemy and they will kill you.
The United Nations MUST be persuaded to introduce a Worldwide Chinese-style birth-rate reduction policy, enforced militarily, if necessary, against reluctant regimes. This will include the offer of an IUD to all 12 year old girls with a guarantee that, if they accept the offer, their Mums won't be told. IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE FOR ANY FUTURE QUALITY OF LIFE.
If you want a glimpse of the kind of future we are facing with continued irresponsible breeding, read "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. You may live long enough to be confined, as we all will, to a small room with large screen TV, food in tablet form delivered to you by machine. You will not be allowed out because the pressure from the huge population will be so great that travel will not be possible. Because new children will have to be born for the future of the species, to make room for them, you will already know the date and time, a few years hence, for your scheduled euthanasia. THAT IS COMING OUR WAY IF YOU CONTINUE TO BREED IRRESPONSIBLY.
A great story of yours. Europe is on a slippery slope in regard to the birth rate sad to say.
Children thrive when given plenty of love and attention.
Love the way you present! 🫶🏻 as a former non-Jewish Chabad employee from Europe, I’m praying for israel everyday! Love your people! And I trust that God will prove Himself in fulfilling all of the old prophecies concerning Israel ❤️
Hi! So I would love for you to show the videos of all the children and women dying in Isreal please show me!! But if you can please search up Gaza just gaza please and you will see something you probably havnt seen or decide to look away. I also wanted to say that this war has been going on for 70 years now of constant bombing in palestine and that oct 7th was the first time Palestinians ever fought back! You can also search up isreali prime minister admitting he killed his own people (over 300) on oct 7 to “get to hamas” he killed his own people lots of teenagers who were at a festival at that time.
Mmmh, never fought back! Well I am old enough to remember constant terror attacks. People being blown up at bus stops, people being blown up at weddings, people being blown up with planes and many died. And people even having it in their constitution to exterminate Jews and not willing to make peace. Don’t expect peace for you, when you are not willing to put down your arm and you do not intend to stop with murder, but will take any chance to continue.
@@raedahayesh5688Too short 😂Keep on..Or you have one copy paste AI Iranian/ Hamas bot / supporter
On a slightly different note. I have been a subscriber of yours for some time now as I appreciate your videos on Israel. I am a Jewish guy with no children by the way running my Cherry farm in the high mountains of Cyprus. Due to the fact that Cyprus has a terrible problem with animal welfare and the fact that I have a lot of land I have always rescued and given a home to lost animals.
A month ago in a terrible rain storm arrived a beautiful but completly drenched doggie.
He is a young Husky Beagle cross and was sheltering under a 200 year old Pine tree so I called him Oren.
Your namesake is doing faantastic and is a fully fledged part of the gang.
Cyprus is a magical place, I got married there.
Fun fact. Many Jewish Pedophiles leave the USA 🇺🇸 to go ishiteal, for protection. Ishitealis are very much obsessed with children.
We live in America on a small farm and rescue as well! I'd love to meet you and your critters someday 🐕🐄
but would my sister like you
I love cherries. What a wonderful thing, to run an orchard. For some reason, it's always pigeons who have come to me to be nursed back to health. Though pigeons probably steal your cherries!
Lovely to hear about your good work with the animals.
What I find most fascinating is that many secular families have 4 kids whereas in the past, like 20 years ago, secular families would have 3 kids at the most. I'm not as pessimistic as you are. I have close relatives that are ultra-orthodox and I see the change as more men go out to work nowadays. Among the Arabs the birthrate is going down since many women have academic education. In the whole world the equation is that the more educated a woman is, the less children she has or none at all. In Israel educated women have children. As a matter of fact, many women feel that they are expected to have a university degree and have at least 2 children. I hope our obsession for children doesn't die out despite attempts (especially by "Haaretz" newspaper) to convince Israelis that having children is a sin against humanity... And I like your honest attitude, Oren!
True- there are now many colleges for the ultra orthodox, men and women as well. More go to work. Arab women are driving so I can see they are becoming modern (=less kids) too
Subcultures and niches within every western country still have traditional beliefs that promote fertility, marriage, patriarchy, and large families. Some are college educated and some are not.
The crazy thing is that the women who are childless are not necessarily more financially stable nor more content than those with children. Being child free is definitely based more on fear and the rise of female and male incels than supposed ethics or even just hedonism.
@@NormieNekoI’m curious on your second comment. What makes you think that?
Well the main problem is that in Israel one problem is growing on top of another one. You have the Middle East conflict which leads to relatively high defense spending, then you have the fact that land is scarce and highly contested and trying to put the pressure of of the big cities via settlements is going to add more fuel to the conflict. Due to limited land,a growing population, expensive food certification , the fact that Israel is an island when it comes to trade thanks to the conflict and the high percentage of highly taxed imports live is already expensive, plus paying for the ultra Orthodox who neither work nor contribute to the country’s security by serving in the IDF and so it just goes on and on. It’s just an infinite story with many moving parts. And when they try to fix one problem the solution will cause trouble elsewhere.
@@NormieNeko actually studies show repeatedly that child free women are easily as happy (and often more happy) than women with children. It really depends on the person and not all people are meant to be parents (think of how many people you know or have heard of that have had high abusive parents) or find parenting fulfilling rather than draining. But a simple fact is that having that many children is a recipe for staying poor (and for Israel that could mean annihilation- considering just how their neighbours think of them and the fact the US is losing interest in the region).
This brings to mind Brazil. Traffic stops for children & the elderly. They are so loved & idolized. Thank you very much for your objective & insightful documentary. As a Diaspora Lebanese Maronite pro-Zionist, my best friends are Jewish, through natural affinity & appreciation for history, culture & the arts. Our culture is also children-oriented with lots of parental attachment. Bless you! Keep it up. I'll be sharing too.
Well, our birth rate is 1,7 so I don't know about that ...
Forgot to mention the killing of Street children by paramilitary squads in Brazil.
Maronite pro-zionist you say?
Remember SABRA AND SHATILA?
Your videos are so informative.
Pure content no waste of time.
Love it.
As a Latin American woman, I see that here having more than 4 children is frowned upon as something only poor uneducated people do. The better off you are economically the less children you're encouraged to have. Mostly because I live in a generally poor country and to become well off both partners in a marriage need to work long hours just for necessities, so if you add on top of that furthering your education to really get somewhere in life you really don't have the time in the day (or the money) to have more than 2 or 3 kids. The burden of childcare also falls squarely on the mother's shoulders, with very few man counting fatherhood as a life goal. It's nice to see that Jewish men are more committed to fatherhood. Thanks for this perspective Oren
Yes, men get that way when the government provides support for women and children. But it seems in latin America people are more concerned about the western way of life without the work ethic that goes with it. Think of the millions and millions of young men who have left to come to the US, and think of the political structure that keeps the people from prospering, the crime. Latin America only likes military dictators
Think of the way America contributed to their poverty and are baffled they want to come here for work
Is all about morals and choosing a man that has the virtuosity to be a pater familia.Not lazy guys or bums who do not want responsability.
I toured Israel in February of 1999. It was the greatest 10 day journey of my life. I am unable to travel, but find your channel allows me to do so vicariously.
And I especially love your very thoughtful and fresh insights and world view.
Such a good and interesting video! I am from Bulgaria 🇧🇬 and want to say, that only some East-Orthodox Christians have this mindset that they have to be childless and go serving God in Orthodox Churches. I am a Protestant Christian and I can say that I have rarely seen Protestant families with less than 2-3 kids, I grew up with 2 younger sisters and my aunt (who is also a Protestant) has 5 children, all of them wanted. We believe that every child is a gift and a prize from the Lord, as it is written in Psalms 127:3 and we believe that when God gives you a child no matter the iconomic state of the country, He will provide every need to raise these children. So not only the Jews have this mindset. Thank you for making such helpful and interesting videos! Looking forward for more! :)
This is not really the case. Monks do devote to Christ only, without family, priests have families. I am an Orthodox Christian from Bulgaria, my husband is a priest, and IT specialist, too. We have 5 children for 10 years of marriage. In our tradition lots of kids is a must have. Just we left our holy tradition and faith and followed other selfish philosophies. However more and more young, educated, and devout Christians have large families.
you explain it so well, even people in Wisconsin will understand. Our friends in Tel Aviv, and Herzliya have been telling us of the tax disperity for years.
Love your videos
In truth though, the secular city people also tap the system. Most public jobs, pensions and other benefits. Like everywhere, the "burocracy".
I'm a Palestinian Christian living in Canada, and I have to say that this was a fascinating video. Though I can't say that having large families is something exclusive to Jews-- I think most Middle Eastern cultures view children as a joy. Families in the ME are usually quite large, at least 3 to 5 kids for the most part, unless there were medical reasons as to why couples couldn't have kids.
palestinian? whats that? college words for being really pale?
@@nerkfumgogi798r u just weird or what?
Hi what do you think of the PalWatch and MEMRI videos of Palestinians hoping their kids are suicide bombers and martyrs?
As another viewer: I am sorry about the nasty comments you got from other viewers. I really appreciated your comment here.
You are a gifted teacher! Thank you! I am so sorry for what the Jewish people have gone through (and what they continue to go through). Many blessings to you and all Jews.
Yes I agree with your point about the Jews going through persecution at various times, I don’t understand why because in general if you live in City and one part has a population of 500,000 Jews it tends to be wealthy well too do good schools and so on, and on the other side of town there’s a population of 500,000 Palestinians the area is run down usually poorer higher crime and just not so affluent. I know we’re I would rather live.
Thanks for this interesting video. I'm fascinated by Israel, I hope to visit it one day. Greetings from 🇺🇦!
Thanks Oren, as always appreciate your willingness to explain and offer thoughts and opinions on topics that people shy away from!
I really like and appreciate your honesty and your ability to clearly explain and relate information, and go to the core of the issues even when people don't want to hear or talk about it. You have such a unique perspective that makes people want to learn from you. Thanks for sharing!
I also think a society with more kids is a happier society.
But as somebody who lived in India, I have to say it's very important to take into consideration people's freedoom and choices. In India people are almost forced to have kids.
What happens with this is that sometimes the parents were not really in a happy or chosen marriage. Or they had dreams and personal things they wanted to fullfill and develop.
Then they end up being frustrated parents, and their kids have very unhappy childhoods.
Having kids is the best but if someonw is not in a happy marriage or is not sure about their partner or they carry themselves a lot of family trauma... I would say do not have kids under those conditions.
You are refreshingly honest and upfront, love it! Btw, I went to Israel and carried your 3 little books everywhere! Keep going, you are the best!
I am an Indian, and I totally understand and feel what you say, because the similarly about number of children and cost of education, family culture is so close!!
Hi! So I would love for you to show the videos of all the children and women dying in Isreal please show me!! But if you can please search up Gaza just gaza please and you will see something you probably havnt seen or decide to look away. I also wanted to say that this war has been going on for 70 years now of constant bombing in palestine and that oct 7th was the first time Palestinians ever fought back! You can also search up isreali prime minister admitting he killed his own people (over 300) on oct 7 to “get to hamas” he killed his own people lots of teenagers who were at a festival at that time.
Thank you for another great video. I had 3 kids in Israel and now my 4th in USA, it was a big culture shock for me. In Israel people think its amazing I have so many kids at my age but here in the us I feel that people even feel bad for me and think I have done poor life choices 😅
I don't know where you settled in the US, I live in New Jersey and most Jews don't have just 4 children. What goyeshe land are you living in?
@@shainazion4073 well obviously not in NJ 😜
@@shainazion4073 in case of America vs Israel whom will you support?
Americans tend to lean towards selfishness rather than Godly things, especially on the Coasts.
In the Heartland and the South, larger, more traditional families are more common.
When I went to Isreal, our guide pointed out that the children are valued and protected. I saw many kids playing outside without parents having to hover over them like they do in the US. Our children get stolen, sold, and killed if you aren't right there to protect them. He said that would not ever happen in Isreal.
We used to be able to drag people for trying things with our children and even law enforcement stood aside. Now criminals are let free and are able to sue us for "harm." criminals own us. They found their way into power and made us slaves.
I always say that if anyone is going to take a child from a park in Israel, it will be to take them home; feed them really good homemade food and then return them to their parents so the children can say that the other person's food is yummier. 🙂
Unless of course there's a terrorist attack. But seriously, when we left Israel for NJ in 1990, I had that whole thing ingrained in me by my mom about how kids get easily kidnapped because of crazy people that we have much less of in Israel and I was never allowed to go anywhere without a parent or an adult. We moved back home 6 years later and what got me most excited was getting my freedom of movement back
@@saagisharon8595 You have a good mom😊
Super interesting. I binge watched a lot of your content to get an Israeli’s perspective on the latest in the Palestine conflict. Very good insight to have!
I enjoy this kind of videos, factual, to the point, enriching. You talked about topics lots of people don’t hear about. Thanks Oren!
I have 4 siblings, loved our family life, Thanks Oren, always entertaining and insightful.
Love from UK
Love your channel, love you, love your people, love your country, love your city, love your God.
we are Jewish and have been married 42 years. we also have a great relationship with our three adult children and two grandchildren. I see around us that our type of family is becoming rare
Oren I love your videos and I like that you talk about everything not just places to visit as a tour guide. I’m not Jewish and live in America but have always loved your country so I enjoy learning how life is in Israel. I’m praying for the war to end soon with Israel’s total victory. God bless Israel!❤
Ahoj Oren, greetings from Bratislava, Slovakia. I am one of 11 siblings (I have 5 brothers and 5 sisters), it is not a standard here - but sometimes it happen...
Hello Oren, most of the Orthodox that i grew up with all worked. Even the men had jobs, not all spend the day studying. Yes it is a higher "mitzvah" but like the rest if the world some boys do not have the ability to sit and study books all day. 😊 True that some are poorer than others and there is a ton of tzedaka sent to Israeli haredi from other countries to help support them and their families. We had boxes everywhere in our house for different groups or kibbutzim that were in need of assistance and hosted the collectors when they came through our town. I hope that we see you and your family well and we all come through this stronger and less divided.❤
Great! Children are a blessing from the Lord! But men have to work to support their families and community.
Amen. God says be fruitful and multiply for a reason.
50% of ultra orthodox men work in the larger economy. There is also a sizeable underground economy in Israel in all sectors of the population. The money there may not always find its way directly to the tax authorities, but since it does get spent and put back in circulation, some of it gets to the government in the form of value added tax (similar to sales tax). Also, many of the full time Torah learners will eventually cut down on their learning time and join the general economy, either by providing religious services to the general population or by taking crash courses in the secular subjects they need to get a job or start a business. A surprisingly high number end up in the hi tech industry. There is no better prep for math and science based thinking than years of Talmud study.
If it’s okay for a man to make a living and the woman raise the kids during a workplace break why isn’t it okay for a woman to make a living and the man spend time learning? The ultra orthodox think the reason the country isn’t bombed from outsiders and they have not been forced to flee it is adherence to the Torah and Torah study is adherence to the Torah. That said I would not want the taking care of the kids and the financial responsibility all on me. How many jobs in Mo idin need high school or college? Can’t the man just spend 10 hours on Talmud study and work another 40? Shouldn’t the sons learn at home with their father’s together?
כל הכבוד באמת!
You should make more videos on israeli society like this. This is a great explanation on a big problem here.
You are so extraordinarily charismatic. A tremendous ambassador for Israel. Very much hope to visit one day.
Would love to have you guide. (is that a Haiku?)
Thank you for explaining how you read Israel's demographics. This mixture of populations has been incomprehensible to me. I love the vitality of the people, the profound intention that Israeli's share for their country, and the welcoming that spills over into the most mundane transactions with foreigners.
I think that the most important thing in your videos is that, regardless of whether I agree with your ideas or conclusions, I have to admire your thoroughness and honesty.
You are the best. You always state the facts, never beating around the bush, as they say in wisconsin🙂. Keep up the good work on your channel.
Hi Oren,
My wife and I love your videos and have been following your channel since you started. My wife grew up in Jerusalem and I met her while in a modern orthodox yeshiva 30 years ago. We were actually in Israel a few weeks ago visiting her family. We were hoping to run into you to tell you in person how much we enjoy your channel.
My wife has 7 siblings, her father retired from the police department in Israel years ago and now spends his time in religious studies. Her mother was a school teacher. Both orthodox people that worked and paid their share of tax.
We appreciate your perspective because it is honest and respectful.
The Jewish community including the Ultra Orthodox was decimated less than 100 years ago during the Holocaust. The insular nature of the Jewish community and the birth rate is a direct result of the Holocaust.
Although we agree with your politics most of the time we feel you misrepresented the education and work situation of the ultra orthodox. While there are a lot of people in the ultra orthodox community that survive on the government subsidizing their income , there are a lot of people in those communities that own and operate businesses or work in addition to their religious studies. As you mentioned, a lot of the women in these communities are employed. The people who own businesses or are working are paying income tax.
This is not a phenomenon only in Israel, but world wide and seen in other cultures as well. We see it in the US including in Wisconsin and Europe sees it also.
Keep the great videos coming!!
Scott Rosenwald.Thank you!
He ist not respectfull to the palestinians in contrast he has racial prejudices
@@juliannaruffini his comments about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are based on proven fact.
If you choose to spew propaganda made up by Jew-hating extremists it’s your prerogative. Before you go down that path as yourself why Muslim leadership never sends their own children to be Shaihids (martyrs)? Why the leadership collects the billions of dollars the world gives & majority live in poverty? Why their closest neighbors (Egypt & Jordan)won’t help them & kill them if they cross the border.
@@908scottr100 No Oren spreads hasbara rights-wring Propaganda. Israel ist occupying palestinian Land. Ii Is illegal according to international law. As well as house demolitions, restriction of movement etc. Even the USA loses temper with Israel. The human rights violations in the occupied territories are enormous. Pls inform yourself better
@@juliannaruffini is was so easy to get you to start spewing the propaganda you were brainwashed with.
There were no such people as Palestinians until the British created them in the 40s. Prior to that they were just Muslims.
There was no such thing as Palestinian lands until the terrorist Arafat invented it in the early 90s.
These are easy facts to verify.
It’s also easy the verify the fact the Palestinians are occupying land they have no historical claim to. This fact just does not fit the narrative.
Do you think the western world cares about the Palestinians? As does the rest of the Muslim world they consider the Palestinians the garbage of the Arab world. Google it, you can read about it.
Or you can simply continue absorbing the propaganda and calling it education, which I believe you will do.
I appreciate you Oren! Thank you for tackling a hard subject.
Owen, this commentary is very insightful! Thank you for your work🙏
Your videos are really outstanding and have helped to increase my understanding of Israel in a very valuable way. Your postings are significant and highly useful - thank you.
I have been watching your videos for over a year and really enjoyed the history/culture video
Oren, this is a great video. You're doing very important work for us as a society by speaking out, in a very clear and open way, thank you.
Hoe does speaking to tourists helps your society?
Thank you for shedding light at a topic which is not often talked about. Also i enjoyed very much your dry humor.
Greetings from Germany
You have great presentation skills man! Sincerity abd honesty exudes in your manners and every word, and most of all you make it all sound interesting!
Very interesting and so well presented as usual! Thanks for another great video! Long live Israel!
nice vid, as usual i may add. lots of children are great. when it comes to groups in a society i do believe that change can only come from within, not from outside. outside pressure usually only hardens the will to resist it. it is fascinating and amazing to see how different a group can evolve in different societies, for example most orthodox and ultraorthodox men in europe and the states have pride supporting theyr familiy with a job and additionally study a number of hours everyday, while in the Land most of the burden seems to be on the wifes/mothers....
Fantastic video and interesting presentation, stumbled across your channel while trying to understand all the perspectives with regards to current conflict. Excellent analysis. You have a new subscriber 👍
I met a rebbitzin many years ago. She told me a story about when she was shopping in a ladies dress shop in Brooklyn NY. When she was in the dressing room she overheard the shop workers (probably Jewish) gossiping about how many children she had. When she left the dressing room she told them that she was going to continue having children till she had six million.
Her story hit me hard.
Your video appeared in my feed, started to listen and just found it so interesting! Didn't know anything about the social and religious structure of Israeli society, let alone about demographic problem resulting from it!
Great video, very honest and refreshing. As an Israeli I agree with everything and even learnt some new facts I didn't know :) would love more videos like that.
I Just love you. Your commentary is always so interesting and presented in a fun manner.
Very interesting. Thank you for uploading. Would love to see more videos like this.
Thank you, that was very insightful and well explained with a lot of nuance!
What a beautiful culture that encourages big families! I'm Catholic but i almost wish I could move to Israel, it is not supported nearly as much in the US
Children are precious all of them! Terribly sad not everyone feels this way✌🏻🇵🇸
So - let's move to "Israel " because they incourage many children for Zionist families, while they are massaceriing thousands of Palestinians children ? ? THAT is NOT a love of children! ! That is a narcissistic love of self. Children are just the annoying part of perpetrating more Zionist Jew Warriors.
You are great. Really! Been searching for more in depth average daily life information from ordinary citizens in Israel and found it here. Interesting topics even for one living in Scandinavia.
Thank you for sharing your insightful perspectives into the modern Israeli life and society. It complements well the other great travel videos! Todah!
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I wish millions& billions, trillions of Children for the Jewish People and for Those Who Love You Guys🙏🏻💪🏻❤️😃
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Wow, you are such a good narrator. I can listen to you for hours. It does seem unfair that there's such a difference in taxes and schooling.
Thank you for opening my mind to a better understanding of Iraels internal situation from a local perspective, ("the real way"), this kind of video is exactly the reason why I search on youtube every now and then.
Thanks Oren, I am Australian, and fully support you and your country Israel. I wish I had enough money to join as a member and fully support you, but I am an age pensioner, and rarely have much to spare. Keep up the good work you are doing.
Thank you!
For what it's worth I will share this......Due to the nature of my occupation I have been fortunate to travel abroad extensively. Sometimes I have remained abroad for a a long time. In England for example we owned a large house,fancy car and all the trimmings. Everything inside the garden was mine. On returning home to Israel I looked out through the window of my modest home and saw the view. The whole country was mine. That's the difference! I have changed jobs. Now I haul an 18 wheeler semi trailer throughout this magical and blessed land and am proud to do so. Our sense of values rubs off on the kids. Probably due to the climate and the feeling in this country of being part of a huge extended and nosey (sometimes rude)caring family contributes to healthy and well adjusted children.
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Short nice comment. As a Jewish man (who has only visited the land on Taglit) with an Israeli wife living in the United States with my in-laws and wife’s cousins in Israel… I love hearing your insights. Thanks for sharing.
You’re so well spoken and smart, Oren. Good job on the cultural analysis!
Thank you Oren, ❤ your video and info. So true, you walk with open eyes and mind.
ایشالا یه روز همه ی کشورها با هم دوست باشن. به اندازه ی کافی سختی تو دنیا هست.
I know! Wouldn’t that be wonderful!!? ❤❤
@@karenjohnson5634 🤝🤝
You never fail to educate and inform. Never
Thanks for your insights, I so appreciate your honesty and perspective
I appreciate your explanation of Israeli culture. Children are a gift and blessing. It is wonderful that Israel culture recognizes this.
“Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate”
As a matter of fact you are such of an excellent guide in truth !
love it! great vid, Oren
Always fascinating and informative.
I must live in a bubble. We live in Charedi Yishuv in the Shomron. Not because I am Charedi(I am observant though) but because when we came to Israel, it was a cheap place to live and we thought we would save money and find another place away from her. Guess what? All of the real estate prices went through the roof and our landlord was really awful...so we bought here because the prices at that time were cheaper than most of Israel Now, we have been here for many, many years and I can say that many of people here work Bus drivers, computer repair techs, small business owners, home repair guys even a couple of lawyers Women are teachers and there is many day care places run by people in their home There are some that live in the Kollel, but at least where we live, most people work.
I am orthodox and live in a charedi city in the US while all my adult children have all settled in charedi cities in Israel. I agree with every word of what Oren said in this video.
Do you also agree with Oren that Jews are a different species?
@@whousa642 Oren didn't say that.
He did say Jews are a different species. Listen again.
@@gedman3085 @4.00 minutes he said “The JEWS see themselves as endangered species”. This is not the first time I have heard this. I was taught this in school.
And he explains its because the world wants to wipe them out...which we now see is the harsh truth.
I enjoy your videos. Which are fun ( despite at times the dramatic content/context ) informative and dynamic. I wish you health and happiness.
Toda Raba Oren , that has made it all more understandable. Really interesting ✌️
Excellent commentary, I couldn't agree more. Am Israel Chai!
Very interesting and informative video
Keep up the great work 👍 👏
Well at least Israeli children don't get beaten (hopefully)
As an Indian 16 yo boi, we (mostly boys) get beaten up by our teachers, parents, coaches or trainers(after school educational lessons are VERY popular and common here, they are referred to as 'tuitions') and even elder siblings. And most shocking thing is that parents aren't at all bothered by the fact that their children get beaten up by their teachers, all just for not having a good handwriting or for not bringing a textbook. Infact a lot of parents encourage teachers to hit us more, especially using peddle(not professional ones, just a wooden slab from maybe a broken chair or table, sometimes even with Crooked nails in it) or other tools. Add to that an education system so rigorous and harsh, poor infrastructure (which brings its own problems), religious superstitions, ignorance of adults(and people in general),household work and killer weather and awful pollution and poverty.
Greetings from Turkey, you put things out as it is , it was my first watch and I subbed
Interesting documentary. Very contentful and well presented. Keep producing and sharing.
Great video!!!
Glad you liked it!
I was just in Israel this summer and your explanation was very accurate. I was surprised during my visit to hear the resentment coming from non-ultra orthodox Israelis and the burden they feel carrying the ultra orthodox families.
On a positive, I absolutely loved how family friendly everything was! We had such a great visit and your videos really helped with that. So, THANKS!
Sounds like people who think other people’s choices a judgement in their own. I’m sure it goes both ways. Who is funneling this idea? That is a mischief maker with a purpose.
Oren seems to resent it a little bit too, as nice and fair as he generally is. A society can't be sustainable with such a rapidly-growing segment of the population that doesn't contribute to the economy and depends on welfare, and what compounds it in Israel is that a lot of these ultra-Orthodox sects aren't even loyal to the Jewish state. Some even actively oppose it and think it shouldn't exist, which is crazy, because it literally keeps them alive. They live there, enjoy the protection and security of its police and military, as well as its welfare state, but refuse to serve in the military, and don't want their children educated. The Ultra-Orthodox are peaceful and law-abiding, but still it's totally understandable how the mainstream of Israeli society resents them and some even despise them.
Thanks for clarifying that information! It interesting to hear about other people and their perspectives! 👍
This was fascinating ... no long review on how everything is wrong, just a great job!
Hello i'm from Germany.
In Germany the people have fewer and fewer children and they are becoming increasingly unhappy. But if they have children, the parents work all day, sometimes til 5 p.m. and the children are at school or kindergarden all day. There is little family life, it is all about earning money to support the family and/or get status. Even for women, our society tells women that just being a mother is no longer enough, we have to become career women and put ourselves on an equal footing with men. But that doesn't makes anyone happy. It is possible to have many children in germany but it is not held in high esteem here and hardly anyone can afford it.
I rather would live in Israel than in germany - because where the childrens are, there is Joy ❤
Dear Oren . You are spot on . Keep up the good work . As a Christian I’m coming to the wonderful state of Israel 🇮🇱 next week . Love to all .
You will enjoy your visit to our magical land. 🇮🇱🇮🇱👍👍
@@ilantee4974 Good morning and Shabbat shalom to you . Thank you . I have been to Israel many times . I’ve fallen in love with your country and it’s people . I have some good friends there . Israel is an amazing country . I always look forward to my visit . Have a good weekend . Regards Maureen.🇮🇱🇮🇱🌺
@@maureenhenderson720 👍😍
אתה טועה לגבי גברים חרדים. הם נשארים ללמוד בכולל עד גיל מסוים ואז כולם יוצאים לעבוד. אין אפשרות לכלכל משפחה גדולה בלי זה. והם משלמים מיסים כמו כל אזרח אחר.
הממשלה לא מסבסדת את אורח החיים הזה. הם קונים אוכל ובגדים בדיוק כמו כל אחד אחר. ההבדל היחיד הוא שרוב החברה החרדית חיה חיים צנועים ולא מחפשת מותגים.
בנוסף, אתה מתעלם משינויים פנימיים ותהליכים שמתרחשים בחברה החרדית. יותר ויותר גברים ונשים מגיעים ללימודים גבוהים ומתפרנסים בכבוד. יותר ויותר מתגייסים וכו'
לדעתי בעוד 20-40-50 שנה , רוב החברה החרדית בישראל תראה כמו קהילות חרדיות בחו"ל: כולם לומדים ועובדים חוץ מקומץ שלומד בלבד.
ודרך אגב , הנתון על 10 אחוז בלבד של מסיימי תיכון במודיעין עילית, לא יכול להיות נכון. רוב מוחלט של בנות מסיימות תיכון (וממשיכות ללימודים גבוהים או מקצועיים).
First time watcher checking in! I am a Christian in America, the oldest of 7 children, not Mormon or Catholic. I am married to a Christian minister and we have currently 4 children.
Oren, thank you so much for this information! From childhood I have been hearing about Israel but you just easily doubled my knowledge and understanding. I loved this format and I eagerly look forward to more such videos.
I agree Oren. You should do more of these. I enjoy learning more about modern day Israel.
Oren, I stumbled onto your channel last week and can't stop watching since. Political videos, cultural videos, traveling videos. Love your presentation, organization of facts, and, of course, deep knowledge of the subjects. Sent it to all my friends, of course, and subscribed. One question - what does yallabi mean? :) thank you so much, incredible content!
Yalla (slang) means "get going"
He says always "Yalla bye" it's basically a parting word/sentence
@@michalstern8603 oh, great! Thank you so much!
Given the current political situation in Israel, a third מקדש seems very likely to happen, and I hope to visit your country soon. Thank you for your informative videos!
Excellent ! What a breathtaking insight. With compliments from Vienna
I love this channel and I love this guys perspectives
Very good video Oren. i´ve never been in Israel but I heard that the main issue nowadays is that life is so expensive there (housing, commodities and so on... ) and this is the reason why so many Israel leave their country.
Ofc its expensive. The israeli literally have to robbed and steal Palestinian home and land to make more space for illegal settlers (yes, UN has declare that israeli settlements is illegal by international law). What you expect from the price of killing and displacing people?
@@calyco2381 You cannot "robb and steal" your own land. Israel has always been and will be always the land of the Jews. And it´s certainly not a "UN vote" that will change History.