Josh, really. I would expect something better from this design. If the tweeter can take lower crossover point it can be done with a few more parts in crossover.
yep, HDS-P830990. Nice specs and I also really love the looks. If I were to build another standalone (no additional subwoofer) bookshelves in a reasonable price range, this is the driver I'd choose. However I'm completely fine with my Monacor SPH 165KEPs, too, so I guess that's not going to happen soon.
@@tomkocur I'm a beginner so please bear with me. What is good about it? I took a look at the frequency response and the off axis response is already showing at1k while most woofers start at 2k. Wouldn't it be difficult to crossover at such low frequency?
@@shredder807 I don't see a problem. At 30deg it fits into the +-1.5dB window up to 2.1kHz and at 60deg (which is quite extreme) it's up to 1.9kHz. SVS is crossing at 2kHz, so even if you had -3dB there from the driver, it would be fine, you'd just have to adjust the crossover accordingly. At this power a decent 1" dome would have no issues taking over at this frequency. And anyway, if you want a decent bass performance from the driver, you won't really get much better at this size and this angle. Some manufacturers don't even measure off-axis this far and end at 45deg. I like that just like many other Peerless drivers, this one is a solid bass performer, too - high Xmax and TS specs that should match a vented box very nicely.
SVS has Peerless make drivers for them according to their needs and specifications. It's not the exact same model that you can buy off the shelf. But yes, SVS speakers (and subs) are made by Peerless. SVS just lies that they have it built in house. All they did was mod them in house lmao.
FWIW, in the cabinet shops where I worked , we called that style of "corner brace" glue blocks or corner blocks. I would imagine it has more to do with reinforcement of the joint rather than panel damping which would be the intent of the central shelf brace.
Nice drivers. Your missing a lot of details. I saw a floating spider. What is the voice coil vent setup, what type of wire is being used on the voice coil, what's the surround made of, the cast chassis has nice thin structure to reduce interference with the back wave. The tweeter looks to have a deep back plate for extended response and can be disassembled for maintenance, is there ferro fluid in there, what's the voice coil made out of? Since your in the rabbit hole may as well see how deep you can go 🐇 Nice cabinet I like the extra thick baffle and cross brace.
@@Audfile I also don't see how they are making $ on these. Those are great components Ron pulled, and a solid cabinet build. Now I know why they sounded so good.
If you live in a house in a nice quiet environment you could do some measurements late in the night, outside. It's a well known technique and it's easy to implement for small speakers like these. The speaker is set with the drivers facing up and the microphone standing at 1m above the face. You need to perform the measurement later at night because the background noise is very low. This setup is the closest you can get that resembles a professional anaechoic chamber. Because of this you will actually be able to perform test down to 20Hz.
I’ve got a pair of these, and a pair of GR Research A/V-1’s. These are good, but as long as I’ve had them, I’ve wondered what Danny could do with them...
Ken, you made a good purchase decision. I demo'd many bookshelves side-by-side with these (including Bucardt S400), and they were the best balance of cost vs. performance. If I'd stayed with bookshelves for 2ch system - it would have been these SVS Ultra's.
@@mw4609 My son now has these Ultra's......But hey!.....I keep telling him I want them back if he screws up!......After many weeks of comparing with my Axiom 3 way M5HP v4's ....the Axioms won out.........still though it was freagin close...............Very close.
@@mw4609 Thank you for the comment, I've really been enjoying my SVS Ultra bookshelf for about 3 years. I've wondered about the Buchardt's, but I just couldn't justify a switch. Plus, the gloss white finish matches my wife's decor and keeps me out of hot water :-)
Hey nice to see someone shows us what's inside the SVS. Peerless midbass, actually quite nice, don't know who makes the tweeter. Ron you have bump around 800Hz, dip 500Hz which are related to MLS, they might be a bit smoother in reality, yeah I also run Clio, just the much older version. Outdoor measurements will look much better. I wish, you could do separate tweeter and midbass measurements to show the crossover slopes. Ah, and impedance would very welcomed. Thanks
Careful with a vacuum! If it can't be shaken out, carefully remove the woofer, retrieve the ball and reinstall the woofer. Vacuum will likely damage the woofer - don't let it seal to the port.
If you can measure outdoors you can get a near-anechoic bass response if you also measure the port from the back at the same distance. The mic angle doesn't matter too much at low frequencies.
What an Awesome show! Thanks so much for opening up these speakers. It really helps us learn what we are getting for the price. Can you please do a show o the KEF LS50's? Everybody talks about them.
Nice video Ron. The speakers look great in white. How far did you place the mic from the speaker and at what height relative to the woofer and tweeter? This suckout may be a bit exaggerated in the mid area unless there is a problem with the crossover of your sample or the mic was too close.
That's an interesting thought, thank you for pointing out this possibility. Goes to show that it's simple to measure something, but for the measurement to be useful and correct you really need to do everything right. That said, he mentioned that the mic was at 1 meter from the speaker - that should be fine, I assume?
Weird that to this day he never respond.But this one of that guys snake oils sellers about the magic of cables in the sound performance that you have been criticizing forever.
The cabinets look to be built great. If they are still heavy with the drivers out it's most likely mdf. Having 1" to 3/4" means very little resonance and having extra bracing is to ensure a drop in resonance. The corner "braces" is for proper deflection so that the waves inside don't become trapped or dissipate. Honestly that's a LOT of material for a bookshelf wow. Svs doesn't mess around though especially with their line of subwoofers.
The weakest point here seems to be the crossover, so I guess there's some opportunity for improvements for any modders. The least you can do is to keep the design and just replace that electrolytic cap in woofer section for an MKT or MKP and the cap in tweeter section for MKP. However it should be possible to design a crossover that would make these fit into a 3dB tolerance instead of 7dB measured here, drivers look good enough to make that possible (I'm not familiar with the tweeter, but woofer seems to be a Peerless and it's great for its price). Oooh the things I would do to these...
Right..., I mean they have a 1" front baffle... I would rather have a .75" front baffle if I could have a reworked xo, bit as you said it would be relatively easy to come up with a better xo.... If you know what your doing😜
Awesome. Loving this series of teardown videos. Btw and may I suggest, if you were to get yourself a dual metric/imperial tape measure (standard in the UK) then you would reduce, quite significantly, your jerk quotient. ;P
Really like what your doing! Two things though, first why still no full screen of the measurements?... I mean I know what you look like already what I really want to see is a clearer image of the measurements. 2nd, did you do these measurements before you took it apart? If not I would double check that you go the polarity right when putting it back together...
@@Newrecordday2013 that's what I would have thought but just asking, yeah watching it on my phone so had to take a screenshot and zoom in to see it's actually within the -/+3db zone🤣 The other thing you can do so people done freak out looking at the graph as much is stretch the image out horizontally so the aspect ratio is wider, the changes in frequency won't seem so abrupt then.
you'd have to look at the measurements of each driver separately, what most people who just have a little knowledge (to be dangerous as they say) is that the parts may be an electrical 2nd order crossover but it could be a different order acoustically, and the acoustic order is what's important. So for example if a designer wants the driver to have a 1st order acoustic crossover slope, he may need to put on what looks like an electrical 2nd order crossover to achieve it. Or he may want a 3rd order acoustic crossover but use the drivers natural roll-off in addition to the an electrical 2nd order to achieve it.
I see what you’re doing and respect the effort, keep going and see if you can get some traction. However if you hate it then it doesn’t make sense to continue. Cheers!
They are built in Ohio but at least some of the piece part components such as resistors, caps etc. are from China. And when you call SVS you're talking to them right there in Ohio. I was able to call and ask specific questions about inventory they have listed on their SVS Outlet website. Its a great way to get speakers that sound just as good but might have a scratch here or there in the finish. I got my Ultras for $350 a piece.
Ron, just grab a magnet from the kitchen fridge to see if the basket / flange / whatever other piece has any steel (iron content). Would help you sound a lot better informed as to the material used. Or for that matter, the magnet on the other driver could be used too. Don't worry, as you get more experience with the feel and sound of different metals, it'll come easier.
@@TheTrueVoiceOfReason I was thinking that ring was plated plastic, but never had it apart. If not plastic, next most likely material would be aluminum.
I like the tear downs,great to see what's inside,build quality etc ... but I would personally dump the gated measurements , I'd rather see a simple 20Hz-20kHz 1/6 Oct smoothed response from your listening position as it will at least give us a snapshot of what you are hearing in your room from your seat. Of course your subjective listening opinions are always welcome too!!
Hi F22, there are times when 2 meters is appropriate but this is not one of those cases. In larger, 3 way speakers or towers, taking the measurements at longer distances is fine but with these, 1 meter is acceptable.
Interesting, haven't noticed that huge dip on any other measurements. Curious on how your approach to placement in a very narrow room (~8 feet) would be. Every review I've read talks about how good and big their soundstage is, but that's not the case for me, and I'm not sure it's possible in a room that narrow. Do you think sidewall absorbtion would help with these speakers? As far as I know, it's not recommended with some speakers, like Revels, but since the Ultras don't really have a waveguide it might be worth trying. By the way, I've been aware of your channel for a long time, but your videos as of late have finally convinced me to subscribe. Keep it up!
I have been happy with my SVS Ultra bookshelves I am increasingly happy that Danny at GR research appears to be working on an upgrade kit for them! 😎 Danny has posted a video on his initial evaluation of them.
@@svenmuilwijk9952 i seen some cheaper ones, mostly wall mounted sealed at lower prices. but nothing is full range unstill you get into enormous speakers or with built in powered woofers. spendor classic and Strada 2 from Gallo Acoustics are reasonably priced.
I have owned my SVS Ultra bookshelves and the Ultra center for a few years... I will be ordering the upgrade kit from GR Research for all three of the speakers. I want to see how that goes, and then order the GR Research Encores or the CSS Criton 1TD-X... I'm leaning towards the CSS kit...
I would really have hoped you and Danny would have combined. You do what you do and Danny is an expert at what he does. You being the pupil and Danny At GR- Research The teacher. It worked well, but a Newbie ( Like me ) and you should not encourage people to take a speaker apart. You have much more knowledge of production and putting together a nice website. Danny really needs help in the camera , sound and post production. The two of you could have made a real difference for the DIY community.
Hey Steve! I totally understand where you are coming from but the model with Danny doesn’t work in the way you envision it. I already lost out of potentially reviewing speakers from one manufacturer because of some of his episodes. Bottom line: it won’t do NRD any good getting speakers to review if manufactures refuse to send me them because they are concerned about Danny’s opinion. There is a balance that is in my control and these videos are the middle road for the time being. I’ll get better and better over time. Also - just to correct one thing you said to cover myself - I did not and don’t encourage anyone to take apart their speakers! I actually made this clear in my disclaimer.
@@Newrecordday2013 Agree with you Ron. Danny is an absolute treasure for the YT community and otherwise, but demystifying products will dissuade manufacturers from participating. Additionally, Danny has his own products and services to sell - business to run.
steveavaughn1 I really don't like to get into pissing matches but your criticism of Ron is absurd. He gave a very clear disclaimer, this is not a DIY show, nor has Ron implied that in any way. Ron is merely trying to show people what they are getting for their money. Its like watching a video of a restorer rebuild a Lamborghini Espada V-12 engine, does that mean you should go in the garage & start tearing your engine apart with no experience, really. I guess its like the guy in Arizona drinking fish tank cleaner because the health care professionals are talking about Chloroquine to fight the Corona virus, I can go on for days with countless examples of stupidity. If you want to learn how to build speakers then there is a DIY community for you & its not here. Ron has a great channel & the amount of hours he puts into this is countless, he's a great asset to UA-cam. If you think you can do it better then why don't you start your own channel.
Yes , I completely understand the scenario of speaker manufacturers not wanting to send you a speaker to review. I enjoy your show. I was disappointed in once again seeing Money/ ego getting in the way of a better product for the average DIY/ audiophile. To the gentleman's remarks of " plenty of DIY sites who turn out inaccurate information" ( I'm putting that quote a little more politely ) that is my point exactly. In a corporate world of Money made - BAD product out- environment it was great seeing you and Danny coming together.Best of luck with your show and new toddler's.
I have had my SVS Ultra bookshelves for a few years now. I have not yet come across anything that was significantly better except for a much higher price, or less beautiful, or cheaper but with too many other compromises.
Honestly I tried the regular SVS prime bookshelf speakers and thought they were bright. Then I tried the ultra series and my lord. I'll take the primes any day over the SVS ultra's, and I don't want either. Returned both. Frankly with how much I am paying, I shouldn't have to EQ it that hard so it isn't ridiculously bright. There are leagues better speakers at the same price, and better speakers at a lower price. Their subs are really nice though. If you don't want to shell out for a miniDSP 2x4 and a mic, which will raise the price of a sub by $300 anyway then I say SVS sub(s) are/is pretty good for the price. Yeah, the HSU subs cost less but they also have $150+ shipping with a way worse warranty and no DSP. So add $300 for the minidsp + mic so you can fix those nasty peaks and valleys in the frequency due to rooms not being perfect and another $150 for shipping (and whatever the shipping is for the minidsp). SVS simply adds the shipping into their pricing. You can get a single VTF3 from HSU for the price of 2 PB-1000 pros from SVS. If you wait for sales or outlet sales on SVS, you can get the subs for
so basically less than $200 for all the parts, all the drivers are Peerless cheap Chinese crossover with an cheapo iron core inductor put it in a nice shiny box and sell it for 1k
@@Newrecordday2013 Ron, you can pick up a dual-unit tape measure at any big box or Amazon. It will have imperial units on one edge and metric on the other edge of the tape - no conversion required!
I have been happy with my SVS Ultra bookshelves. They are working well with the addition of an SVS SB-1000 sub. The nice gloss white cabinet has prevented damage to my marriage. I am increasingly happy that Danny at GR research appears to be working on an upgrade kit for them! 😎 Danny has posted a video on his initial evaluation of them. ua-cam.com/video/Y3SRBFZx7Yc/v-deo.html
I am continuously blown away by this brand.
Joshua Valour me too. I've got a bunch of their stuff and it really is fantastic
When is your Ultra tower review dropping?
Josh, really. I would expect something better from this design. If the tweeter can take lower crossover point it can be done with a few more parts in crossover.
The woofer is obviously a Peerless part.
Thanks again for another wonderful disassembly and measurement speaker video!
yep, HDS-P830990. Nice specs and I also really love the looks. If I were to build another standalone (no additional subwoofer) bookshelves in a reasonable price range, this is the driver I'd choose. However I'm completely fine with my Monacor SPH 165KEPs, too, so I guess that's not going to happen soon.
@@tomkocur I'm a beginner so please bear with me. What is good about it? I took a look at the frequency response and the off axis response is already showing at1k while most woofers start at 2k. Wouldn't it be difficult to crossover at such low frequency?
@@shredder807 I don't see a problem. At 30deg it fits into the +-1.5dB window up to 2.1kHz and at 60deg (which is quite extreme) it's up to 1.9kHz. SVS is crossing at 2kHz, so even if you had -3dB there from the driver, it would be fine, you'd just have to adjust the crossover accordingly. At this power a decent 1" dome would have no issues taking over at this frequency.
And anyway, if you want a decent bass performance from the driver, you won't really get much better at this size and this angle. Some manufacturers don't even measure off-axis this far and end at 45deg.
I like that just like many other Peerless drivers, this one is a solid bass performer, too - high Xmax and TS specs that should match a vented box very nicely.
SVS has Peerless make drivers for them according to their needs and specifications. It's not the exact same model that you can buy off the shelf. But yes, SVS speakers (and subs) are made by Peerless. SVS just lies that they have it built in house. All they did was mod them in house lmao.
@@BenTan89 what about the sub in the pb16 ultra? To my knowledge thats the only subwoofer with an 8 inch voice coil, which in itself, is insane.
FWIW, in the cabinet shops where I worked , we called that style of "corner brace" glue blocks or corner blocks. I would imagine it has more to do with reinforcement of the joint rather than panel damping which would be the intent of the central shelf brace.
Thanks for the clarification Peter! I wasn’t sure so I stayed out of it!
@@Newrecordday2013 what was the impedance sweep like? Is it true that these speakers are truly 4 ohm instead of the claimed 8 ohms?
These what's inside videos are GREAT. If you get a chance PLEASE do one on the Linton Heritage.
Nice drivers. Your missing a lot of details. I saw a floating spider. What is the voice coil vent setup, what type of wire is being used on the voice coil, what's the surround made of, the cast chassis has nice thin structure to reduce interference with the back wave. The tweeter looks to have a deep back plate for extended response and can be disassembled for maintenance, is there ferro fluid in there, what's the voice coil made out of?
Since your in the rabbit hole may as well see how deep you can go 🐇
Nice cabinet I like the extra thick baffle and cross brace.
That’s fair Chris, I’ll work on it as I progress with these kinds of videos.
@@Audfile I also don't see how they are making $ on these. Those are great components Ron pulled, and a solid cabinet build. Now I know why they sounded so good.
Such a great series! I have no problem taking stuff apart, it's the putting back together that I can't master!🤔😉😝🤓
Thank you Ron for doing this....it’s very telling what manufactures are in it for the money and ones that are in it for the music.
Which one is SVS?
If you live in a house in a nice quiet environment you could do some measurements late in the night, outside. It's a well known technique and it's easy to implement for small speakers like these. The speaker is set with the drivers facing up and the microphone standing at 1m above the face.
You need to perform the measurement later at night because the background noise is very low. This setup is the closest you can get that resembles a professional anaechoic chamber. Because of this you will actually be able to perform test down to 20Hz.
I’ve got a pair of these, and a pair of GR Research A/V-1’s.
These are good, but as long as I’ve had them, I’ve wondered what Danny could do with them...
I'm wondering the same thing for my Ultras
Nice job Ron. As an owner of these I now do not have to wonder (which was driving me nuts!) Whats inside!. Bingo! Cheers,and stay safe.
Ken, you made a good purchase decision. I demo'd many bookshelves side-by-side with these (including Bucardt S400), and they were the best balance of cost vs. performance. If I'd stayed with bookshelves for 2ch system - it would have been these SVS Ultra's.
@@mw4609 My son now has these Ultra's......But hey!.....I keep telling him I want them back if he screws up!......After many weeks of comparing with my Axiom 3 way M5HP v4's ....the Axioms won out.........still though it was freagin close...............Very close.
Same thoughts here 😎
@@mw4609
Thank you for the comment,
I've really been enjoying my SVS Ultra bookshelf for about 3 years.
I've wondered about the Buchardt's, but I just couldn't justify a switch.
Plus, the gloss white finish matches my wife's decor and keeps me out of hot water :-)
Hey nice to see someone shows us what's inside the SVS. Peerless midbass, actually quite nice, don't know who makes the tweeter. Ron you have bump around 800Hz, dip 500Hz which are related to MLS, they might be a bit smoother in reality, yeah I also run Clio, just the much older version. Outdoor measurements will look much better. I wish, you could do separate tweeter and midbass measurements to show the crossover slopes. Ah, and impedance would very welcomed.
Thanks
Thank you,
I really like my SVS Ultras.
I wonder if GR would recommend upgrades?
Thank you for showing me what is inside the magic box :-)
Wow! SVS makes great cabinets and uses quality drivers! The crossover could be better but ... for the price it looks like something worth buying!
Yes the used components could have been better but the fact that it´s so simple actually makes it brilliant.
Same thoughts here
My kids put a ball in the port. Is any way to remove the ball without disassembly the box?
A lot of bass
FreeD00M try to vacuum it out
Careful with a vacuum! If it can't be shaken out, carefully remove the woofer, retrieve the ball and reinstall the woofer. Vacuum will likely damage the woofer - don't let it seal to the port.
The crossover parts simplicity suggests a 1st order? If the drivers are good enough that always seems to be the way to go...
Fewer crossover parts is better!
Sounds good to me 😎
Would there be a significant audible difference to upgrade the inside to air core inductores for higher quality, upgrade crossover, copper wires?
@@roybatty-Blödsinn
I'd like to see what your friend at GR-Research could do with the Ultra.
That sounds like a great idea.
Same thoughts here
If you can measure outdoors you can get a near-anechoic bass response if you also measure the port from the back at the same distance. The mic angle doesn't matter too much at low frequencies.
What an Awesome show! Thanks so much for opening up these speakers. It really helps us learn what we are getting for the price. Can you please do a show o the KEF LS50's? Everybody talks about them.
Thanks man!
Ron, the measurements are nice but could you explain what they mean in terms of what we hear?
The plan is to mention all this when I follow up with the review. Thanks!
You can read my comment posted here and let’s see if they’ll match up with his next review ;)
Nice! Thanks Ron !
Look at you Ron, A real fashion guru pairing your watch strap with speaker cabinets, I knew you were a man with impeccable taste! Be well.
Hahahahaha!
Nice video Ron. The speakers look great in white. How far did you place the mic from the speaker and at what height relative to the woofer and tweeter? This suckout may be a bit exaggerated in the mid area unless there is a problem with the crossover of your sample or the mic was too close.
That's an interesting thought, thank you for pointing out this possibility. Goes to show that it's simple to measure something, but for the measurement to be useful and correct you really need to do everything right. That said, he mentioned that the mic was at 1 meter from the speaker - that should be fine, I assume?
Weird that to this day he never respond.But this one of that guys snake oils sellers about the magic of cables in the sound performance that you have been criticizing forever.
do you have a teardown on svs prime bookshelf?
The cabinets look to be built great. If they are still heavy with the drivers out it's most likely mdf. Having 1" to 3/4" means very little resonance and having extra bracing is to ensure a drop in resonance. The corner "braces" is for proper deflection so that the waves inside don't become trapped or dissipate. Honestly that's a LOT of material for a bookshelf wow. Svs doesn't mess around though especially with their line of subwoofers.
Tapping with my Knuckles on the side of my SVS Ultras sounds kind of like tapping on a rock
Is the denon 760 enough to push these speakers
The weakest point here seems to be the crossover, so I guess there's some opportunity for improvements for any modders. The least you can do is to keep the design and just replace that electrolytic cap in woofer section for an MKT or MKP and the cap in tweeter section for MKP.
However it should be possible to design a crossover that would make these fit into a 3dB tolerance instead of 7dB measured here, drivers look good enough to make that possible (I'm not familiar with the tweeter, but woofer seems to be a Peerless and it's great for its price).
Oooh the things I would do to these...
Right..., I mean they have a 1" front baffle... I would rather have a .75" front baffle if I could have a reworked xo, bit as you said it would be relatively easy to come up with a better xo.... If you know what your doing😜
I own SVS Ultra bookshelves.... I presume that I will be owning an upgrade someday
Tweeter cap is MKP 8.2uF
Awesome. Loving this series of teardown videos. Btw and may I suggest, if you were to get yourself a dual metric/imperial tape measure (standard in the UK) then you would reduce, quite significantly, your jerk quotient. ;P
"Hey Siri/Google convert 14 inches to centimeters"
Really like what your doing! Two things though, first why still no full screen of the measurements?... I mean I know what you look like already what I really want to see is a clearer image of the measurements.
2nd, did you do these measurements before you took it apart? If not I would double check that you go the polarity right when putting it back together...
Measurements were taken before I messed with disassembly.
@@Newrecordday2013 that's what I would have thought but just asking, yeah watching it on my phone so had to take a screenshot and zoom in to see it's actually within the -/+3db zone🤣 The other thing you can do so people done freak out looking at the graph as much is stretch the image out horizontally so the aspect ratio is wider, the changes in frequency won't seem so abrupt then.
Simple crossovers can give the most cohesive sound when of high quality. Is that a first order crossover?
No. There are clearly 3 components(including the resistor) for the tweeter and 2 components for the woofer.
@@stephenoverton8352 Just saw online its a second order crossover...
www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/svs-ultra-bookshelf-speakers
you'd have to look at the measurements of each driver separately, what most people who just have a little knowledge (to be dangerous as they say) is that the parts may be an electrical 2nd order crossover but it could be a different order acoustically, and the acoustic order is what's important. So for example if a designer wants the driver to have a 1st order acoustic crossover slope, he may need to put on what looks like an electrical 2nd order crossover to achieve it. Or he may want a 3rd order acoustic crossover but use the drivers natural roll-off in addition to the an electrical 2nd order to achieve it.
I see what you’re doing and respect the effort, keep going and see if you can get some traction. However if you hate it then it doesn’t make sense to continue.
Cheers!
Thanks!
PHENOMAL content. Love your stuff. Subscribed and glad I did. X
Well done Well said
does it say on the label where these are made, i read that svs is an ohio based company, i'm just curious as to where these are made
They are built in Ohio but at least some of the piece part components such as resistors, caps etc. are from China. And when you call SVS you're talking to them right there in Ohio. I was able to call and ask specific questions about inventory they have listed on their SVS Outlet website. Its a great way to get speakers that sound just as good but might have a scratch here or there in the finish. I got my Ultras for $350 a piece.
@@benthomas8390 ok, cool , thank-you
What is the music your using on this review?
IIRC Similar Peerless $45 woofer, $30 tweeter both available from Parts Express.
Nice!! Love seeing inside.... :-)
Ron, just grab a magnet from the kitchen fridge to see if the basket / flange / whatever other piece has any steel (iron content). Would help you sound a lot better informed as to the material used. Or for that matter, the magnet on the other driver could be used too.
Don't worry, as you get more experience with the feel and sound of different metals, it'll come easier.
Great idea!
Unless it's aluminum (likely) or stainless steel (some grades of stainless have mild magnetic attraction).
That's why I said (iron content)...
@@TheTrueVoiceOfReason I was thinking that ring was plated plastic, but never had it apart. If not plastic, next most likely material would be aluminum.
I like the tear downs,great to see what's inside,build quality etc ... but I would personally dump the gated measurements , I'd rather see a simple 20Hz-20kHz 1/6 Oct smoothed response from your listening position as it will at least give us a snapshot of what you are hearing in your room from your seat. Of course your subjective listening opinions are always welcome too!!
I'm curious why are you measuring at 1 meter it's usually 2 ?
It's a standard that everyone uses.
Hi F22, there are times when 2 meters is appropriate but this is not one of those cases. In larger, 3 way speakers or towers, taking the measurements at longer distances is fine but with these, 1 meter is acceptable.
@@Newrecordday2013 ok thanks
Well at this point I have to believe there is a reason why the SVS Ultra Tower hasn’t had nearly as much review action on UA-cam.
Interesting, haven't noticed that huge dip on any other measurements. Curious on how your approach to placement in a very narrow room (~8 feet) would be. Every review I've read talks about how good and big their soundstage is, but that's not the case for me, and I'm not sure it's possible in a room that narrow. Do you think sidewall absorbtion would help with these speakers? As far as I know, it's not recommended with some speakers, like Revels, but since the Ultras don't really have a waveguide it might be worth trying.
By the way, I've been aware of your channel for a long time, but your videos as of late have finally convinced me to subscribe. Keep it up!
Whats the name of the opening song. It has really great depth.
On the Bayou - Chris Shards
anybody know where I can get that woofer ring?
very cool, thanks for this
that explains why these sound so base focused and the treble and midrange feel a bit smeared/veiled.
I have been happy with my SVS Ultra bookshelves
I am increasingly happy that Danny at GR research appears to be working on an upgrade kit for them! 😎
Danny has posted a video on his initial evaluation of them.
I don't think this got answered. Is it a 6db high pass and a 12db low pass or what?
I’m not sure what the crossover order is. Thanks!
great video topic :)
we need a sealed speakers also, and example how it works and the differences.
apart from subwoofers, sealed full range speakers are quite rare and only seen in the very high end market
@@svenmuilwijk9952 i seen some cheaper ones, mostly wall mounted sealed at lower prices. but nothing is full range unstill you get into enormous speakers or with built in powered woofers. spendor classic and Strada 2 from Gallo Acoustics are reasonably priced.
ATC makes sealed bookshelf speakers and are not too pricey.
A magnet would be useful for future videos. "some kind of metal" would be limited to magnetic / non-magnetic alloy.
Yes sir .. please keep this up =)
Thanks Kanga!
I have owned my SVS Ultra bookshelves and the Ultra center for a few years... I will be ordering the upgrade kit from GR Research for all three of the speakers. I want to see how that goes, and then order the GR Research Encores or the CSS Criton 1TD-X... I'm leaning towards the CSS kit...
Next time when you post the measurements, please make it full screen instead of a PiP.
They are using Peerless drivers.
If this is true, peerless has made some nice drivers over the years.
@@Newrecordday2013 yes its very similar to the HDS-P830875 its probably a variant of this driver
I would really have hoped you and Danny would have combined. You do what you do and Danny is an expert at what he does. You being the pupil and Danny At GR- Research The teacher. It worked well, but a Newbie ( Like me ) and you should not encourage people to take a speaker apart. You have much more knowledge of production and putting together a nice website.
Danny really needs help in the camera , sound and post production. The two of you could have made a real difference for the DIY community.
Hey Steve! I totally understand where you are coming from but the model with Danny doesn’t work in the way you envision it. I already lost out of potentially reviewing speakers from one manufacturer because of some of his episodes. Bottom line: it won’t do NRD any good getting speakers to review if manufactures refuse to send me them because they are concerned about Danny’s opinion. There is a balance that is in my control and these videos are the middle road for the time being. I’ll get better and better over time. Also - just to correct one thing you said to cover myself - I did not and don’t encourage anyone to take apart their speakers! I actually made this clear in my disclaimer.
@@Newrecordday2013 Agree with you Ron. Danny is an absolute treasure for the YT community and otherwise, but demystifying products will dissuade manufacturers from participating. Additionally, Danny has his own products and services to sell - business to run.
steveavaughn1 I really don't like to get into pissing matches but your criticism of Ron is absurd. He gave a very clear disclaimer, this is not a DIY show, nor has Ron implied that in any way. Ron is merely trying to show people what they are getting for their money. Its like watching a video of a restorer rebuild a Lamborghini Espada V-12 engine, does that mean you should go in the garage & start tearing your engine apart with no experience, really. I guess its like the guy in Arizona drinking fish tank cleaner because the health care professionals are talking about Chloroquine to fight the Corona virus, I can go on for days with countless examples of stupidity. If you want to learn how to build speakers then there is a DIY community for you & its not here. Ron has a great channel & the amount of hours he puts into this is countless, he's a great asset to UA-cam. If you think you can do it better then why don't you start your own channel.
Yes , I completely understand the scenario of speaker manufacturers not wanting to send you a speaker to review. I enjoy your show. I was disappointed in once again seeing Money/ ego getting in the way of a better product for the average DIY/ audiophile. To the gentleman's remarks of " plenty of DIY sites who turn out inaccurate information" ( I'm putting that quote a little more politely ) that is my point exactly. In a corporate world of Money made - BAD product out- environment it was great seeing you and Danny coming together.Best of luck with your show and new toddler's.
15 inch. multiply by 2.54 cm. = 38.1 cm
Really enjoy these videos but it would be great to have some interpretation of your findings rather than just an observation.
He'll likely refer to them in the (hopefully) forthcoming review video.
Yup!
1000?
Why is that so expensive?
for what?
I have had my SVS Ultra bookshelves for a few years now.
I have not yet come across anything that was significantly better except for a much higher price, or less beautiful, or cheaper but with too many other compromises.
Honestly I tried the regular SVS prime bookshelf speakers and thought they were bright. Then I tried the ultra series and my lord. I'll take the primes any day over the SVS ultra's, and I don't want either. Returned both.
Frankly with how much I am paying, I shouldn't have to EQ it that hard so it isn't ridiculously bright. There are leagues better speakers at the same price, and better speakers at a lower price.
Their subs are really nice though. If you don't want to shell out for a miniDSP 2x4 and a mic, which will raise the price of a sub by $300 anyway then I say SVS sub(s) are/is pretty good for the price. Yeah, the HSU subs cost less but they also have $150+ shipping with a way worse warranty and no DSP. So add $300 for the minidsp + mic so you can fix those nasty peaks and valleys in the frequency due to rooms not being perfect and another $150 for shipping (and whatever the shipping is for the minidsp). SVS simply adds the shipping into their pricing. You can get a single VTF3 from HSU for the price of 2 PB-1000 pros from SVS. If you wait for sales or outlet sales on SVS, you can get the subs for
A pocket magnet is your friend.
so basically less than $200 for all the parts, all the drivers are Peerless cheap Chinese crossover with an cheapo iron core inductor put it in a nice shiny box and sell it for 1k
Thats the point!! Diy and you know what you have for your money 👍👍🇩🇪
Doesn't your measuring tape have metric alongside imperial? Why are you denying us information?
To convert, here is a link: www.calculator.net/conversion-calculator.html thanks for watching!
Or you can ask Google to "convert X inches to centimeters."
Cuz... 'Merica...
... 'Murica
Also, most calculator apps on your computer or phone have a built in conversion sections. Just check your Pull-Down menus.
If you can be botherd to write "jerk" on screen maybe you also could write out the measurements in metric ;)
Something a jerk would do! In all seriousness, I’ll improve with time. Thanks for the comment.
@@Newrecordday2013 Ron, you can pick up a dual-unit tape measure at any big box or Amazon. It will have imperial units on one edge and metric on the other edge of the tape - no conversion required!
I have been happy with my SVS Ultra bookshelves. They are working well with the addition of an SVS SB-1000 sub.
The nice gloss white cabinet has prevented damage to my marriage.
I am increasingly happy that Danny at GR research appears to be working on an upgrade kit for them! 😎
Danny has posted a video on his initial evaluation of them.
ua-cam.com/video/Y3SRBFZx7Yc/v-deo.html
😮😮cheap china Chassis inside. Junk crossover parts. Always the same. Klipsch and other player. Same here on the european market. Let's diy.
Metric!!!Metric!!!Metric!!! Please ☺️
Stopped watching at the moment he started measuring in a non standard inch format........
Me too
Sparky treble, bad presence...that’s what measurements telling me.
Frequency response sucks.