I guess that makes sense on how you instantly, or near instantly(haven't played in a while) convert other drones from a conquered hive species. The presence of your hivemind overrides the control of the enemy hivemind, in the shroud.
You know, i probably should have thought more about assimilation. Don't Hives need to ascend before they're capable of assimilation? If i'm correct then i'd guess it doesn't fall down answering the question one way or another, but could be both.
@@TheRedKing Yea they need to ascend genetically to be able to convert non hivemind pops. Tho I think that the ascension isn't required for pops already in a hivemind. I guess the hivemind is tuning others into their wavelength of control.
@@TheRedKing if I remember correctly, you can assimilate other hives right from the start. But you have to ascend before you're able to assimilate regular biologicals into a hive mind.
@@TheRedKing If a hive mind conquers another hivemind, the conquered hivemind becomes part of the collective immediately. If a hive mind conquers a non-hive mind, then it needs the genetic ascension path to assimilate the non-hive mind into the collective.
the dev's input was pretty much a confirmation of my theory that the hives/gestalt, are indeed able to tap into the shroud as a way to connect itself across the galaxy, just not enough for it to use the advanced abilities if that realm.
I have to admit, I thought the Latent ability prevented Shroud interactions. Now I have to consider that they are the ultimate in Shroud interactions.... Hive minds are not in the universe reaching out, they are part of the Shroud reaching in.
In my mind, hive minds are societies in which the individual is condiftioned to not have any personal ambitions or concerns beyond that of the state (the Hive), and are societies in which individuals live so communally and communicate so consistently that they usually all notice when something is off. Like...getting weather alerts on your phone: its not that we as humans were telepathically told by our master to take cover, we simply have the technology to communicate, and therefore react, almost instantly. "Integration" into a hive mind could consist of psychological reprogramming, or perhaps even invasive surgery or technological implants. The reason drones cease to function after the hive mind is destroyed might be because they were so psychologically conditioned to live as a collective that they cannot sustain themselves alone, or maybe they were lobotomized during integration, or maybe they have some sort of technological self-destruction device implanted.
Nah, it's not how it works - the Machine Age straight introduced a form of cyborg democracy where augmented citizens don't display any strong or individualistic/egoistic tendencies through being cybernetically interlinked.
Always figured that they were psionic enough to connect all the drones together but not psionic enough to use psychic abilities or breach the Shroud without the help of devices like Galactic Nemesis’ Aetherophasic Engine
YES! Finally a video about the connection between hive minds and psionics that I agree with. Very glad that you brought up the idea of eusociality and the fact that the capabilities of a hive mind could be accomplished without psionics.
In regard to cybernetics and souls, I think it's worth remembering that the Animator of Clay exists, so clearly being mechanical doesn't necessarily rule out having a soul if a soul is required to commune with the shroud, although it is unclear whether or not the gestalt robots are given a soul by the animator of clay, or if the gestalt entity is psionic in nature and the Animator can break its connection with the preexisting souls of the synthetics, but given that the Animator of Clay doesn't interact with hiveminds there may be a fundamental difference there.
I think hiveminds are psionic in nature but its one will not hundreds. So ascending psionicly is harder as it lacks enough psionic individuals to breach the shroud. It may have numbers in bodies but not wills.
Star War fans of the Thrawn ascendancy trilogy series may remember the Vak Combine. I'd see the Vak as the closest to being a hive mind while still being composed (entirely) of individuals
honestly i have always kinda presumed hiveminds as semi-psionic, enough to do the usual hivemind things like sub-space communication, but not enough or enough focus to do the usual psionic things.
man i LOVE your video it's very entertaining, never i had thought about this side of Stellaris, all I'm thinking is strategy, management and Bureaucrat stuff 😂 nice job man
my biggest drive for as why hive minds should be able to take mind over mater is the name but also the hive worlds + if they ever decide to let hive minds become psionic it should only be mind over mater but maby let acces the shroud but randomly like Every 2 years you have a 10 % chance increase of making contact with the shroud and after making contact it goes on cooldown for 5 years. anyways great vid
Good video. I like to think of the possibilities. Did you consider Oakenstalk, the Baol commander who can join a regular empire through an astral rift? You can ask their feeling about not being part of the hive anymore and they seem to be adapting and finding this all a new adventure.
I definitely think that the individual drones of a hive have souls Because as a genetically ascended empire you can make the drones of a hive individualistic
I've fought my friends over this as a big hivemind enjoyer and my opinion has been to date that Hiveminds are not adherently psionic but rather it's genetic in how that work, much like Ants, no concern for their own individuality, all the concern for the greater populace, it's the only reason why Deviancy could end up so widespread in my eyes or really even much of a thing in the first place, and when they die they become disconnected because they have no genetic programming to survive on their own without their sole purpose in life, sure there can be some links between minds, but I always thought that to be like the interface link between the Borg in a more organic way, empath could be a physical feature and a physical connection/touch to whoever's mind it's linking to
Human civilization is a hive mind, it simply a matter of everyone working towards the same goal. You will find that 99.9% of conspiracies doesn't require people to conspire, you just need a group of people to all all want to buy a lollipop for them to "conspire" to buy lollipops and align their goals. The problem with psionics is that you want universal instant communication, that breaks to many universially truth. If I can transport my thought faster than you can travel, I can send a message to a remote ship and tell them my planet is hit by something, but then the ship can send that information back and it will arrive before the problem hits. One dimensional time is required for the universe to work, or you get silly things like me being my own father.
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I guess that makes sense on how you instantly, or near instantly(haven't played in a while) convert other drones from a conquered hive species. The presence of your hivemind overrides the control of the enemy hivemind, in the shroud.
You know, i probably should have thought more about assimilation. Don't Hives need to ascend before they're capable of assimilation? If i'm correct then i'd guess it doesn't fall down answering the question one way or another, but could be both.
@@TheRedKing Yea they need to ascend genetically to be able to convert non hivemind pops. Tho I think that the ascension isn't required for pops already in a hivemind. I guess the hivemind is tuning others into their wavelength of control.
@@TheRedKing if I remember correctly, you can assimilate other hives right from the start. But you have to ascend before you're able to assimilate regular biologicals into a hive mind.
@@TheRedKing If a hive mind conquers another hivemind, the conquered hivemind becomes part of the collective immediately. If a hive mind conquers a non-hive mind, then it needs the genetic ascension path to assimilate the non-hive mind into the collective.
@@Krishnath.Dragoncybernetics would do this to
the dev's input was pretty much a confirmation of my theory that the hives/gestalt, are indeed able to tap into the shroud as a way to connect itself across the galaxy, just not enough for it to use the advanced abilities if that realm.
I have to admit, I thought the Latent ability prevented Shroud interactions.
Now I have to consider that they are the ultimate in Shroud interactions....
Hive minds are not in the universe reaching out, they are part of the Shroud reaching in.
In my mind, hive minds are societies in which the individual is condiftioned to not have any personal ambitions or concerns beyond that of the state (the Hive), and are societies in which individuals live so communally and communicate so consistently that they usually all notice when something is off. Like...getting weather alerts on your phone: its not that we as humans were telepathically told by our master to take cover, we simply have the technology to communicate, and therefore react, almost instantly.
"Integration" into a hive mind could consist of psychological reprogramming, or perhaps even invasive surgery or technological implants.
The reason drones cease to function after the hive mind is destroyed might be because they were so psychologically conditioned to live as a collective that they cannot sustain themselves alone, or maybe they were lobotomized during integration, or maybe they have some sort of technological self-destruction device implanted.
Nah, it's not how it works - the Machine Age straight introduced a form of cyborg democracy where augmented citizens don't display any strong or individualistic/egoistic tendencies through being cybernetically interlinked.
Always figured that they were psionic enough to connect all the drones together but not psionic enough to use psychic abilities or breach the Shroud without the help of devices like Galactic Nemesis’ Aetherophasic Engine
Ngl hives should have a version of psionic ascension
mmmm agree!
the vast connection, all will become apart of the hive.
yea psionic hiveminds are a troupe throughout media anyways. Like the gravemind from halo or the queen from starship troopers.
No, screw gestalts
@@ВиталийКотиков-т5э why? is it cuz they are too good?
YES! Finally a video about the connection between hive minds and psionics that I agree with. Very glad that you brought up the idea of eusociality and the fact that the capabilities of a hive mind could be accomplished without psionics.
I mean, it’s either they are slightly psionic or having their capital be a ginormous and biological wifi router
I mean, I like an organic wifi theory !!
@ 💀 it would be interesting to say the least yeah
In regard to cybernetics and souls, I think it's worth remembering that the Animator of Clay exists, so clearly being mechanical doesn't necessarily rule out having a soul if a soul is required to commune with the shroud, although it is unclear whether or not the gestalt robots are given a soul by the animator of clay, or if the gestalt entity is psionic in nature and the Animator can break its connection with the preexisting souls of the synthetics, but given that the Animator of Clay doesn't interact with hiveminds there may be a fundamental difference there.
when the Red king speeks to the lords we shall listen
Never been in this early! Love your videos. You single handedly reinvigorated my love of Stellaris when I found your channel.
Keep it up, Red King.
Happy to hear it :) Hope you enjoy the video
Oh no its the tyranids
Or is it!
Vsauce theme plays
@@anubhabmaiti9658then some of the weirdest next 20 seconds plays
@@thrumwolf9583 not vsauce telling me tyranids were og dinosaurs who left the galaxy
@@xbox70333 ngl he would say something like that
I think hiveminds are psionic in nature but its one will not hundreds.
So ascending psionicly is harder as it lacks enough psionic individuals to breach the shroud. It may have numbers in bodies but not wills.
Star War fans of the Thrawn ascendancy trilogy series may remember the Vak Combine. I'd see the Vak as the closest to being a hive mind while still being composed (entirely) of individuals
honestly i have always kinda presumed hiveminds as semi-psionic, enough to do the usual hivemind things like sub-space communication, but not enough or enough focus to do the usual psionic things.
One of, if not your best video. Well done.
There should be a "Shadow in the Shroud" Ascension that just has a mobile storm following your Hives fleet.
man i LOVE your video it's very entertaining, never i had thought about this side of Stellaris, all I'm thinking is strategy, management and Bureaucrat stuff 😂
nice job man
Glad you enjoyed it!
my biggest drive for as why hive minds should be able to take mind over mater is the name but also the hive worlds + if they ever decide to let hive minds become psionic it should only be mind over mater but maby let acces the shroud but randomly like Every 2 years you have a 10 % chance increase of making contact with the shroud and after making contact it goes on cooldown for 5 years. anyways great vid
Good video. I like to think of the possibilities.
Did you consider Oakenstalk, the Baol commander who can join a regular empire through an astral rift? You can ask their feeling about not being part of the hive anymore and they seem to be adapting and finding this all a new adventure.
I definitely think that the individual drones of a hive have souls
Because as a genetically ascended empire you can make the drones of a hive individualistic
Hive Minds need the same treatment that synthetics got with synthetic dawn, tbh.
they are when i make the modlist.
Perhaps individualistic empires and hives are more similar than we thought.
Don't reveal the truth those empires will hunt us for zro
Well deserved, remove gestalt
I've fought my friends over this as a big hivemind enjoyer and my opinion has been to date that Hiveminds are not adherently psionic but rather it's genetic in how that work, much like Ants, no concern for their own individuality, all the concern for the greater populace, it's the only reason why Deviancy could end up so widespread in my eyes or really even much of a thing in the first place, and when they die they become disconnected because they have no genetic programming to survive on their own without their sole purpose in life, sure there can be some links between minds, but I always thought that to be like the interface link between the Borg in a more organic way, empath could be a physical feature and a physical connection/touch to whoever's mind it's linking to
I created a hive mind based on Dragon Age race tranquil Empire name the tranquil state
I don't know the reference, but I wish them luck in the galaxy!!
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Human civilization is a hive mind, it simply a matter of everyone working towards the same goal. You will find that 99.9% of conspiracies doesn't require people to conspire, you just need a group of people to all all want to buy a lollipop for them to "conspire" to buy lollipops and align their goals.
The problem with psionics is that you want universal instant communication, that breaks to many universially truth. If I can transport my thought faster than you can travel, I can send a message to a remote ship and tell them my planet is hit by something, but then the ship can send that information back and it will arrive before the problem hits. One dimensional time is required for the universe to work, or you get silly things like me being my own father.
You are galaxy brain
i edge to your videos
tf
Not necessarily. I believe what we are experiencing is a game mechanic that appears to be lore.
An ant colony is a hive mind. Ants are not psychic.
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