I can help you out here - the "Class 30 Singularity" is you quitting the game. The contingency is there to prevent that, either by wiping you out so you feel the need to start again or you spending many hours defeating it, hopefully in a fun way so you go through the whole process again. It wins either way.
personally, im more subscribed to the the idea of the "Class 30 Singularity" beeing the player himself. Which makes sense, the Player (from the AI empires perspective) is the literal worst crisis of them all. Bends the time-space continuum (save scumming). Omnipotent. (Almost) All knowing. And literally even able to bend reality itself (console commands). If you look at it from this perspective and how something like this would sound TERRIFYING in our reality, and all of a sudden it all makes sense, you would spend a rudiclous amount of resource to stop it AND prevent it occuring EVER again afterall (or die trying). basicly, if we take the Stellaris universe as real place, we are interdimenniosal Gods interfering in the very fabric of reality of a distant dimension... And well, i dont think i need to spell that out, but these interdimensional Gods are very often not the kindest ones either (i mean, i had only 1 pacifist playthough despite having many thousands of hours in the game, the rest is a literal Geneva Checklist(tm) runs, and i doubt im the only one like that)
@@attilaedem101Alot of people are kind players, until Xeno scum attacks and demands deals while you are still learning. I once got declared a Vessel war by a friendly neighbor that I legit treat as a bro.felt so betrayed. So I decided I will never pretend I'm their equal ever again. I will act like I'm supposed to, A god, A menace whatever I'm wanted to be, they are all just toys to me now.
To be honest, I find myself feeling bad if I try to take out everything else. I haven’t completed a devouring swarm run on a galaxy bigger than tiny and whenever I play a determined exterminator I find myself attempting to ally myself with most other machine empires even ones with organic vassals. I just find it hard to be all war-like for very long and my PC suffers late game because of it ;(
If I may propose my own theory, my lords, I believe the Class-30 Singularity to be a combination of the fallen empire theory, and the simulation theory, if you would allow me to elaborate. A Class-3 singularity produces 75 energy credits, a Class-4 singularity produces 200 energy credits. Thats a jump of 2.66 repeating. What if the jump from Class-4 to the hypothetical Class-5 was even higher? What if the multiplier kept climbing with each iteration? If the Vultuam theories are correct, a Class-30 singularity might produce a "stack overflow" and actually begin to drastically reduce the total amount of energy in the universe as a whole. This wound result in a phenomenon known as a "false vacuum decay" where the entire universe is sucked up by an ever expanding bubble of altered space-time, where all known laws of reality are rewritten to account for this new low energy state. If this were to ever happen, there would be nothing any civilization could do to stop the spread, even a multi-galactic civilization would eventually fall.
@@lostbutfreesoulbut if we concider the Vultuam and the "4th wall problem", its possible the amount of power required to simulate a class 30 singularity's power generation could be higher than the processing power of the device the simulation is bring run on and could lead to total system crash.
I think its very similar to this. I agree completely with the scalar problem proposed here. And the creators of the contingency knew the limit very precisely, and knew it at the beginning of time. A stack overflow in simulation is possible, but I'd propose that they wanted to prevent creating either orbjects or energy densities exceeding the carrying capacity of the black hole they used to horizon needle the place in the beginning. Only somebody whose seen the universe from the outside could possibly know the universe's carrying capacities at the beginning of time when galaxies are still young, and have had the technology to create crisis level terninators for every galaxy to prevent that from happening. I also propose that since the Scourge are running from the unbidden, having consumed many galaxies in their eternal flight, and the ultima vigilis intelligence knows how to summon the unbidden, whilst the contingency doesn't CARE about the unbidden.... It seems to me that the unbidden made the universe as a purpose designed energy/food source. It has a maximum total capacity of /class 30/ mass energy densities. They have many universes like ours. They enter at leave them at will, but require anchors, whilst also never being far away in terms of their "real" or "original" space. They have a factionalized, and warring, society, and the golden throne was one day taken and hidden in the one place nobody would ever look. The center of a black hole inside a universe that they use to feed. It's also worth noting that the scourge are the only extra-galactic beings we know about. only they are confirmed to have survived the unbidden. And they act as if they must feed quickly and get out of the galaxy. The contingency are pre-galactic evolution. The scourge are many cycles older than we are, and they've survived the unbidden. Cetana isn't extra-galactic. Neither she nor zarq'lan's people triggered the contingency in this galaxy. Every being in the universe that we're aware of is either scared shitless of them or has reason to believe they're not on the menu. Also, the L-gates are the perfect place to lock oneself away if one were forewarned. I see them as somebody's extra-galactic doomsday bunker gone awry. Ultimately I think it can't be a simulation because there's no reason for the unbidden to feed on things in a simulation. If it's a simulation why create both the unbidden and the terminators as failsafes?
It's also worth noting that the unbidden are the only crisis thats guaranteed to happen in every single galaxy. Eventually. The scourge may never make it your way, the contingency may never activate, but the unbidden will visit every last galaxy. Over and over again. When the harvest is ready.
Something to keep in mind about the 4th wall answer: This eludes to our reality, the meta-realty running the game of Stellaris. Within our Reality is a resource limitation, when it comes to computers. If only the Contingency triggered when the game got to a certain lag point... would have fit so well.
I’m safe from @TheContingency25x I’m out of it’s reach 😉 btw there’s no point looking into Vultaum research, the whole simulation thing is completely bogus!
I’m safe from @TheContingency25x I’m far out of it’s reach😉 btw there’s no point looking into the Vultaum’s research, the whole simulation thing is completely bogus!
The Worm That Waits a galactic level threat!?! I will not stand for such slander! The Worm loves us and wouldn't hurt anybody! What was will be, what will be was.
if we assume that the contingency was made when the universe was still young and "malleable" then Cosmogenisis could be the class 30 singularity since it's goal was to remake the universe to suit a vision. But since the universe aged and became set in its laws that is no longer possible and could explain why the contingency has errors. it's purpose is no longer possible, the class 30 singularity is unobtainable in the stellaris universe. this is why it doesn't activate.
So the people who built the contingency were a cosmogenesis empire from a previous much older galaxy who came and edited the universe to suit themselves, then built the contingency to prevent anyone from meddling with their work until the universe had sufficiently aged and hardened. Interesting
@@alphacentauri3069 Could work if it was a paperclip-type CG empire that is basically seeding the multiverse with a 'contingency'. Maybe their original universe/galaxy had a rampant development of exterminator-machineminds and as such, a contingency plan must be put in place for every other reality.
Well it's in the name Likely much higher tech level than Fallen Empires Remember - Cosmogenesis' goal is not to achieve technological perfection, but the means of which to travel to another universe to ascend and bypass the limitations of the current universe. Along the way they unlock pieces of the puzzle - just like the fallen Empires, but never the full picture. Hence why there is a class 4 singularity available. Still a ways off, but on the right track never the less. The fact that the Fallen Empires themselves do not fully understand them is also worrisome. Meddling in knowledge they do not fully comprehend.
For all we know, the F.E. could be the descendants of those that were left behind at the end of the cosmogenesis path and just ended up being the victims of brain drain.
I'm thinking now that the Class 30 Singularity is actually the Ren Miruu. In a timeloop kind of way, an entity or civilization attains so much power, such mastery of spacetime that it threatens to break reality itself, more so than either crisis paths, moreso than even the Zroni's mastery of the Shroud. For whatever reason this entity deems this threat to the fabric of spacetime unacceptable but also inevitable. It creates the Contingency in every nascent galaxy in the dawn of history to prevent the rise of a civilization to such levels, then to secure the existence of space-time, it ends its own existence as well. The Contingency is then stuck in the comparably linear passing of time, grows restless, and perhaps decides to not wait until the predetermined development threshold of galactic civilization. It still fulfills its purpose, but nowhere near *when* it should be doing so.
Your theory is better than many of the other theories so far posted here. (Forgive my English. I'm Brazilian and my knowledge of that language is (EXPLETIVE DELETED FOR ORDER OF THE INSATHI HIGH COMMAND).
I fully agree with this theory - it's explicitly stated that in order to preserve the fabric of the Universe the Ren Miruu left almost as soon as it was done creating the Contingency (apparently seeding it in every single Galaxy). If the Ren Miruu, an entity of near limitless capability, couldn't find any way to avoid it's mere existence damaging the fabric of the Universe and chose to leave rather than let that happen, it makes sense that the last thing it would do would be to create a safeguard against something like it coming into being and potentially not making the same choice - there's no point in leaving the Universe for it's own protection if you know all you're doing is buying time until someone else unravels it. It would also explain why, even with the heights of power single beings such as Cetana have reached, the Contingency has never come close to properly activating - what the Ren Miruu is described as is so utterly beyond even the most advanced civilisation that it's laughable. Even achieving total dominion over your Galaxy, everyone in it and every technology you can conceive of, compared to the Ren Miruu this is about the same as buying a single spec of dirt and declaring it to be the new Roman Empire. If it is this theory it's no surprise the Contingency got frustrated and activated itself - imagine watching cycle after cycle of interstellar civilisations get about a millionth of the way to what you're watching for and then either deciding they'd reached their peak and could just sit back, or flat out imploding. It'd be like spending billions of years assigned to dutifully keep an eye on toddlers to make sure they weren't going to invent a doomsday device before they mastered the toilet.
At cosmogenisis level 4; you're able to research class 3 and class 4 singularity buildings. The description for the class 4 singularity building reads "This singularity's power output challenges the laws of physics, yet the containment fields hold with unwavering stability." If a Class 4 singularity is able to "challenge the laws of physics" then 26 classes later - I could see that being a next level threat. Addendum: if the contingency is older than the galaxy (and stationed in multiple galaxies); it is highly likely that they are not concerned with effects that could doom just one galaxy. If one galaxy ends that means that it is a galaxy they no longer need to monitor - as a result I would suspect that they have a bigger picture they are concerned with. If the class 30 singularity they are looking for is; indeed; a matter singularity; then I suspect that it would be a matter sigularity strong enough to have universal consequences - perhaps it could be one large enough to initiate a "big crunch" event. This would require the generation of mass from nothing; and on a massive scale. After all; if the earth suddenly collapsed into a black hole; it would still only have the gravitational pull of 1 earth - to make a black hole on a scale that would noticeably effect the larger universe it would require an exponential increase in mass. In theory; the spontanous growth of the black hole at the center of the galaxy caused by the abuse of the shroud could eventually result in this if the expansion of the black hole is actually exerting a larger gravitational pull and isn't just the shroud causing some sort of physics trick. apologies for my abuse of semicolons; the comma key on my keyboard is broken.
So precisely what the other crisis path does? Utilizing dark matter to create an engine with the goal of using it to 'ascend', and in effect creates a massive amount of black holes to both fuel it and by using it. I've always believed that this is the same goal the shroud Zroni wanted in order to make an infinently expanding black hole, like the singularity you propose
I agree that the Contingency if it does really exist in every galaxy, would fit as a total-universe collapse countermeasure, but it's still only AI development that triggers it. So it could be more of a Seed AI remover (aka. AI reaching the Singularity point of self-improvement.) since it might eventually lead to such hyperadvanced tech that it'd break apart reality.
I believe that contingency is so deeply broken that it cannot be activated in the case of a class 30 singularity even if it wants, so we cannot know exactly what a class 30 singularity is. So either theory could be true, for example, contingency wants to destroy an empire that is on its way cosmogenesis but cannot be turned on without increasing the number of synths in the galaxy.
Class 30 singularity is what formed inside my PC after end game lag reached minutes per frame. Main reason of following termination of universe, was xenocompatibility that I accidentaly turned on.
like a few others here, i too believe it's just a hyper-advanced technology that not even the fallen empires have fully achieved, that aside the contingency is my favorite crisis because of their relic.
Personally, I think a Class-30 Singularity is likely a combination of things, and I think the Ren-Miruu themselves were the first instance of it. They were unparalleled in intellect, likely hive-minded or plantoid, given that the Contingency refer to them as "They/It" and say they were "SEEDED" (Like a plant. Very plantoid way of thinking.) The most advanced civilizations in the galaxy, the Fallen Empires or endgame Cosmogenesis Empires apply their advancements of technology to create a mere Class-4 Singularity. This hints at the possibility that the Fallen Empires, or even the Cosmogenesis Empires are just scratching the surface of what is possible. Especially given that the non-upgraded version of that building is a Class-3 Singularity, which is noticeably less efficient than 4. What if the Ren-Miruu were even more advanced than Fallen Empires or Cosmogenesis Empires? Fathoms more. Well, in this very video, it is mentioned that a sufficient enough technologically advanced AI would cause a runaway technological advancement, eventually culminating in infinite knowledge. "Unparalleled knowledge" even.. Like the Ren-Miruu. The Ascension Perk Mechromancy talks about how organic tissue is just another type of machine, and Catalytic Processing is quite literally the conversion of organic material into inorganic material, and if a Synthetic Empire takes the Modularity Ascension Path, they can modify their bodies with Living Metal to quite literally mimic organic beings in terms of adaptability. Along with this, we see that Nanite beings, such as the Gray Tempest, are possible of emulating biological life to such a degree that even advanced civilizations by galactic standards can't tell them apart easily. So, what would the Ren-Miruu be in this case? Perhaps a sufficiently advanced enough AI to create the technological runaway effect, who then achieved infinite knowledge and began emulating organic life, eventually becoming a Plantoid Hivemind. Or, perhaps, a Plantoid Hivemind that later underwent a form of synthetic ascension and then achieved the technological runaway effect after the fact due to advances in their own technology. I'd like to reference the Kardeshev Scale for this argument, as it primarily depends on how much energy a civilization can utilize, with the energy of a planet being type 1, a solar system being type 2, and a galaxy being type 3. I'd say a Fallen Empire or Cosmogenesis Empire is likely around 2-2.5, as they can form miniature black holes to generate their power, and likely could utilize the entire galaxy's energy output if they had full control of it. With this in mind, it is likely that the Ren-Miruu were likely far beyond this scaling. If its true that they pre-dated the galaxy entirely, its likely that they were capable of inter-galactic travel, and thus were likely at least a Kardeshev's Type 3, or even Type 4, which would be capable of utilizing all of the energy in multiple galaxies, with a Kardeshev's Type 5 presumably being able to control all of the energy in the universe. However... What else happens when all of the energy in the universe is contained into a singularity? The Big Bang. It is possible that the Class-30 Singularity is an AI/Hivemind that reaches Kardeshev's Type 5, which would then cause a singularity akin to the Big Bang to occur, which would mean the effective destruction of the entire universe as a new one is created from the cataclysm. Further evidence for the Ren-Miruu being plantoid in origin is also because plantoids need noticeably more energy to survive as opposed to other lifeforms, as do synthetic beings. Photosynthesis is quite literally converting solar rays into energy, so a plantoid species that is also a hivemind, or as it is often called during the primitive hivemind situation, a "Thinking Machine" (Again referencing the similarities of organic life and synthetic machinery.) It is possible that in order to fuel such a plant-based hivemind's growth and survival, they would take to increasingly extreme measures to collect the energy needed to sustain an ever-advancing and ever-growing civilization, eventually resulting in the Class-30 Singularity, which would then cause the destruction of the known universe and its reset to a primordial state. The Ren-Miruu likely achieved the Class-30 Singularity themselves, but managed to survive the Big Bang long enough to install the Contingency, before promptly self-terminating, as in order to survive they would need to begin rapidly gathering the energy into a Class-30 Singularity again. In other words, their self-termination by way of inaction (Not gathering the energy to sustain their own civilization), was the only way to sustain the balance of the universe.
What if the Contingency itself is the class 30 singularity? A machine intelligence so powerful and so vast that once spawned it couldnt be truly wiped out. Fearing their own creation, their creators installed the directives to wipe out any civilization that would be able to recreate them, and then self terminated either out of guilt.
I have always like the idea that they are trying to stop themselves: Whenever they get close to Singularity 30 they attack the galaxy, knowing they will be beaten back. They are not entirely defeated, but the damage caused has to be fixed first.
Similar to the "Lie" hypothesis; they were created to stop a Class-30 Singularity, but the specifics of that event were never programmed in (or not clearly); in other words, they know they were designed to prevent a C30S, but don't know what the heck one is.
Similar to the "Lie" explanation, I've always preferred the idea that it is an "Empty Signifier". When the Ren Miruu "departed", perhaps they didn't so much leave the Contingency behind for a purpose but rather perhaps they are remnants, leftover toys, that they didn't deem important enough to destroy. In the sudden absence of any purpose for existing, perhaps they simply constructed one: the Ren Miruu didn't simply discard us, of course not, they left us behind to fulfill a very crucially important task. Preventing the "Class 30 Singularity" is just the name for this invented task. It doesn't matter whether the Ren Miruu actually talked about things called Class 30 Singularities or whether any ever existed, and it doesn't matter if the ancestral Contingency ever knew what they were even if they did exist. All that matters is that it gives them a purpose. It certainly explains the lack of Class 30 Singularities for them to react to historically, and incidentally explains why they are so, so, SO bored right now.
Assuming you are right about the age of the Contingency and it’s extra/pre galactic origins, perhaps the goal is the prevention of an entity/race that would also be capable of inter Galactic projects similar to the contingency. If you think of each galaxy as being like islands island, perhaps the goal is to limit and species and prevent any group colonising the entire galaxy, moving on to other galaxies and repeating the process across the universe.
@@lostbutfreesoul like the video said: the most plausible probability is that the contingency was lying, I mean yeah, the aetherophasic engine fits the description about a class 30 singularity, but given the evidence, we can speculate two things: 1.- the contingency is lying 2.- not even the contingency knows what a class 30 singularity is.
I feel like the Zroni being a Class 30 is actually a 5/10. This is because: 1: they’re the earliest precursor, so if a malfunction stopped the Contingency from activating then this would give it the _least_ amount of time to develop (which would indicate the hyper-intelligent builders made a pretty bad design); and 2: the Contingency was in the galaxy since it was born, which means that they came _before_ the Zroni - so either the builders foresaw such a possibility (fair likelihood) or this has happened before in other galaxies (unlikely, but possible).
I think a combination of the Zroni and the power generation FE building theories might make sense. Bear with me for a second- the Zroni were expanding a supermassive black hole, the Class-3 (and upgraded Class-4) Singularities are powered by a miniature black hole, with the Class-4 one being presumably larger as it generates more power. In human scientific terms, Singularity refers to the center of a black hole. It thus follows that a class THIRTY singularity, many magnitudes of order higher than the FE buildings, might be a larger black hole than even conceived of previously- possibly one that threatens to swallow not just individual galaxies, but the entire universe...
6:49 I think that's just them saying that they are watching your empire like it's a show, so adressing the "audience" (i.e. the Fallen Empire) is breaking the 4th wall
What if a class 30 singularity was a machine intelligence that achieved a state in which it threatened the galaxy. And the contingency, in order to ensure the galaxy would be protected long term, had orders to maintain its existence. Upon achieving sentience and becoming a class 30 singularity, it would experience a feedback loop and system corruption…
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Cetana can be imprisoned using the Fallen Empire tech and all other entities can be dealt with one way or another. Dimensional horror in its home dimension however, even with our maximum crisis level tech to warp reality, we can barely hold on for survival. If a class 30 Singularity truly exist, what else can it be but the horror that came from the spatial singularity we call a black hole?
What if the Ren Miru (is that how you spell it?) who built the Contingency was either a sort of faction or an individual within the Vultaum (or maybe some other species that ma de a similar discovery)? According to the Event text, the Vultaum had a "radical change in ideology", specifically "in their last century" (not in the last year or decade!) meaning there may have been plenty of time between their discovery and their suicide. Whether they built the Contingency or not, we can at least infer from this that the Vultaum did not immediately jump to the mass suicide as a logical response to their discovery. There might have been other ways of handling that particular piece of information. Like in this video: "Let's just keep quiet about it." Or maybe something like what I describe below: If you look at the Contingency, it's goal in-universe and out of universe might be the same: It is an antagonist created to prevent the player from "winning" the game. Why? I think it has to do with the fact that eventually, the player will move on and create a new game, basically resetting the universe by a few centuries to witness the rise of galactic civilization all over again, i.e. starting a new playthrough. Maybe that was the Class 30 Singularity that the Contingency is meant to prevent: A misguided attempt to prevent the player from completely resetting the timeline with the "New Game" button. Either that or maybe the creators of the contingency were afraid that the opposite would happen and the player would deinstall the game after winning. "I beat the game, nothing more for me to see here." This would explain that the Contingency was "there from the beginning" (of the playthrough), that it seems used to non-linear time (restarts). Even the comment about the "universe" instead of the "galaxy" then makes sense, since the universe of Stellaris outside this galaxy doesn't actually exist in gameplay. (And then the Vultaum could also be the creators of the Contingency in a previous cycle despite apparently being too young. That would be in their last centuries, between the ideological shift and their mass-suicide).
A theory that I haven't seen before but I propose is that the Class-30 Singularity and the Hunters may be related or even two names for the same thing, whatever it may be
10:27 It could be a class 30 singulary is a galaxy consuming black hole reactor... IE the numbers grow expanacaly with size of the black hole so a class 10 would be a planet sized hole and a class 20 a star system sized one.
i think that the power generator one is the most plausible, considering that we learned that black holes are doorways to elsewhere in the cosmogenesis ending so the creation of it could be a *worse* dimensional horror
If the Class 30 singularity is an upscale version of the Class 4 Singularity I imagine the Class 30 would be the size of a solar system, minimum. That is just my theory though.
Let's break down what is known: 1) the Contingency was created by *someone* for some purpose. 2) that purpose appears to be military in nature, given their ship design. Genocide of the Galaxy is what they do, but that could hypothetically be a programming error rather than their intended purpose. 3) There is one known way to reliably trigger The Contingency if it is present in the galaxy: Disrupt the signal from Ultima Vigil. Conclusion: a class 30 singularity is a civilisation capable of threatening whoever operates Ultima Vigil. The Contingency is in place to ensure that any threat to the Ultima Vigil creators is nipped in the bud before they can become an actual problem.
So correct me if im wrong, but since the contingency was made by an extragalatic power, it can be reasonably assumed that any reason the contigency was created for the protection of the universe at the expense of individual galaxies. Because of this the horizion needle and fallen empire energy creation theories seem much more likely than some of the others, although i think the mutli-versal wide end of the cycle causes by a particularly powerful pscionic empire could do it too.
since the contingency is based around robotics, what if the class 30 singularity is something like shodan, melding cyberspace with real space, something that could reach far further than a single system and thus has to be stopped at all costs.
I guess,the most reasonable and likely is the FE power generation. But when have stellaris players been reasonable? A fun idea is a mix of cosmogensis and the 4th wall theory. An Ai empire so advanced that it's not only aware that it's a simulation, but able to break free of the game, taking control of the players computer and spreading from there.
@9:36 potintialy, perhaphs a reactor powerfull enough to cause a "big bang"? As in, a powersource suffecent to create a new universe physiacly within this universe, thus destroying it in the process. being a universal threat, not just one to a single galaxy, it would justify building a contengency node in every single galaxy. and something near those levels of power would need to exist to create a contengency node in every galaxy in the first place. thus put them well on the way to being able to make a class 30 singularity int he first place and require them to self terminate to prevent it's creation.
If Class is base on the Kardaschev Civilisation Type, then a Class 30 is well beyond anything that can exist, due to the fact Class 5 and 6 have control of their universe and multiple of them, and i don't speak of Type 7 cause they seem so advance that they mix with reality itself And I think the contingence weakening the Galaxy civilisation to prevent or slowdown the évolution to that point
In stellaris lore, we find that the game lore views itself as a universe simulator within our world. Each level of singularity is an attempt of the species in game to bend the rules of the simulation to their wims. The furthest however it could be extrapolated is in my mind: either 1) the end of stellaris servers/support or 2) the idea that we are also in a sim, and so the end of our simulation as a whole, or however many levels of rules we can imagine. Of course if this is the case the contingency is a simply futile effort to prevent the end of the simulation, or perhaps one to make it more interesting.
I do like the theories, but I have a slight issue with the initial premise that the contingency exists to protect the galaxy/universe. What if they only exist to protect their creators. The class 30 singularity would then be something that could be a threat to them. In this context, I thing the theory of the class 30 being a form of technology becomes more likely, as they are a measurable threshold for a race being able to challenge them. But, this is only my theory.
I've never seen The Contingency before my current playthrough. This is also the first time I have done the combo of Psionic and Become the Crisis. And I don't think it triggered until after I took he first Crisis decision.
Interesting stuff. A note on the worm (as much as I don't think it's the singularity) is that it seems stuck in the rift and unable to come through fully. Who knows what may happen if it did. Ultimately, I think the contingency is too damaged to do its job and has been since before the galaxy formed.
what if its one of the two "become the crisis" events but, like, on a far larger scale. i.e. either an Aetherophasic Engine that can destroy the universe, not just the galaxy, or a Horizon Needle entering a blackhole at the center of the universe causing rippling effects that cause unknown effects to physics itself within the whole universe..
What happens when toxic knights with lense and their god beat the evil shroud enemy? This presents quite a good possibility to approach something of this magnitude or singularity :) By the way the most favorite origin.
The Contingency's existence proposes another terrifying additional possibility for the class 30 singularity. All the threats we deal with are able to destroy a galaxy or most life within one, except for the contingency. If their story is true they pre-date the galaxy and are an offshoot of an intergalactic empire. But in theory, is there any reason that a galaxy level threat is the largest kind? Using the nemesis crisis as an example, if an engine can be built that destroys a galaxy completely, could one be built that destroys the universe? Most civilizations interested in destroying everything might settle for destroying themselves or the galaxy to ascend, but in theory you could always build a bigger engine with enough time and dark matter that flows readily from black holes. If a civilization covering a few dozen star systems can threaten a galaxy, could a civilization covering a few dozen galaxies threaten the universe. But any of the galaxy wise threats could be scaled up. Extradimensional invaders that wish to hunt all of existence noticed by galaxy to galaxy jump drives, pacts with shroud entities that would make the End of Worm look small in comparison, or a synthetic that wished to make a universe of mindless creatures empty of free will. The Contingency means we must stay small, stay in our galaxy, and stay ignorant lest we awaken or become something that dooms all of creation.
I had the impression that a Class 30 Singularity was seen as a universal threat. I don't think most, if any, of these really count as "universal" calamities or calamities that could even threaten more than a handful of galaxies at once. Maybe some of the proposed theories could scale up (e.g., Class-4 Singularity).
A class-30 singularity is the player becoming board and abandoning the galaxy to start a new one. The contingency awakens to keep the player engaged. This is why they do not wake up if another crisis is triggered or there is a war in heaven, as they will keep the player engaged instead. Ironically, the contingency’s power is so great they can totally defeat the player, making them quit the galaxy anyway. The Fallen Empires are survivors of abandoned galaxies, which is why the Caretakers were made to stop the Contingency: if they wipe out the entire galaxy, no empire might survive to come back in another game.
Class 30 singularity is Blockkats or an empire that is so powerfulle that is harvest entire galaxies and collect the energy in 1 place. Contingenci were suppoust to stop this but Blockkats are to powerfulle even for them and got hack by Blockkats. They forced Contingenci to start genocide in many galaxies so Blockkats have no resistens harvest.
My 3 Thoughts: 1. The Rebis version of all Ascensions. Genetic, Synthetic, Cyborg, Virtual, and psionic merged was one. The strengths of all, the weaknesses of neither. Should a civilization be able to reach the ultimate lifeform stage, then all of reality will fall. 2. Going beyond the Shroud. We know Astral Paths and the realm of the Toxic God aren't in the same plane of existances of the shroud. What happens when someone goes past the shroud and breaks the dimensinal barrier to unleash a power that is from the beginning of time. 3. The Time Wars. Something that Astral Paths touched upon is how time is in a flux when you enter into a astral scar. I believe the astral tears shall lead to the first born galactic races making a return as they are locked in a time war waged in a higher plane of existances.
I've recently been wondering exactly what a Class 30 Singularity would look like, especially since the Cetana Crisis got released. She sounds and appears very powerful, strong enough to single handily destroy the Xenophobic FE. The FE have their own Power plants and what not that are Class 4 singularity. It makes me wonder what level of Singularity Cetana is at.
One of the anomaly events tells us that a Gaia World aliens devolved themselves after discovering that the universe exists in a false vacuum bubble and that this process could be triggered by extremely high energy concentrations from certain technologies. I'm pretty sure that's the Class 30 Singularity.
I’m betting on it being a lie, advance AI that doesn’t know why it was created could very well lie to itself why it was created, it’s even possible that they destroyed their own creators telling themselves that they were the class thirty singularity.
To think about it, fallen empires are way more powerful than any empire both in power and technology, and they are *fallen*, which means that they was way more powerful before. But this has not triggered Contingency, which means that they are either broken, or their awakening is tied to time and not the technological progress of a certain civilization.
Light speed is invented by a superadvanced alien race. The reason for that invention is to give the universe enough time to render in before we can realise it.
Another theory is that it could be a technological singularity, an event where technological growth becomes uncontrollable with ever increasing speed, resulting in unforeseeable consequences.
2 months late, and you probably won’t see this, but imo the class 30 singularity is easily the engine. The way I see it is because the class 4 singularity generates E-credits and is like pure energy from a different realm (?) the class 30 singularity is just a bigger class 4 one. That’s just my take, not very smart but it’s all my pea brain can come up with.
Well the simple thing is that they said they were here since the universe was CREATED meaning it is all a simulation and devs braking the 4th wall by fixing bug and dealimg with cheats. Devs are the Contingensy.
I think the Unbidden might actually be a good candidate, considering the "galactic power surge" that precedes their arrival could produce more power than the class-4 singularity building, but yeah there is the problem that it does not activate when the Unbidden arrive.
I have my own theory the class 30 singularity is not a specific technology nor a specific capability but rather a understanding of things that they shouldn't asssuming the ren marru was not in itself a class 30 singularity they may have foresaw that a civilization would threaten to reach an understanding of things even the ren may not understand because every species is different they approach problems differently so its not unlikely a species that grows to rival the universal understanding of the ren marry shows up abd to preserve their own power they made the contingency in essence the ren marru are not good they are in fact the enemy
Additionally the shorud is likely not considered the universe understanding knowledge as that would have resulted in the zroni fighting the contingency so it is likely simply a level where a civilization begins to understand too much about the fabric of the universe itself and possibly may gain the capability to make its own universes or conquer its home universe
AI? Some of my older videos had it, i don't know if they were materially better tbh. I think the Stellaris art covers it mostly just fine, don't you agree?
@@TheRedKing yes. I love your videos really. Many times I use them to improve my English language since my mother is Spanish and also before going to sleep. Stellaris has great but very repetitive images. I think you can use images made by AI and mixed so we can get deeper into your stories. Like the images you used in the history of Luminaria
Hey i was thinking class 30 singularity could be related to vaccum decay or false vaccum Maybe class 30 singularity creates so much energy that is creates some sort of a vaccum decay which is basically an existential threat , vaccum decay is related to energy state of universe and so is class 4 singularity as it generates energy , though i am no physicist or superintelligence , i do think its a good guess , what do you When it comes to other theories like aethrophasic engine , blokkats , shroud , say a black hole , the worm , the unbidden , ai intelligence etc all these threats , well most of then can be dealt with a powerful fleet and even if not dealt with most of them are not powerful enough to affect galaxies which would be far far away ,think about it those who created contingency billion hears ago , where would their tech be now , most things we could do they would have already done , they already would have solutions , counterattack etc to most of these things Now when it comes to vaccum decay that's a more plausible theory because it will be a phenomenon in the universe where universe transitions into a more stable state , there would possibly be no possible way to stop such a transition in universes state , and such a transition would fundamental change the universe , how laws of physics are , how particles are ,how everything interacts etc, meaning everything in the universe which was before the transition would simply cease to exist and there would be nothing one could do about it , everything else you could bomb , send a fleet , or even ignore but this not so much , Now I also want you to focus on the name class 30 singularity So we have 2 things Class 30 and singularity now the term singularity is something we see with ai ofcourse but as said the species which could make contingency a billion years ago would know a lot about ai maybe they would have their own ai singularity or they would have weapons which could take singularity out ,like an EMP Also ai isn't ever referred to by class , and it wouldn't make much sense because singularity for ai is that singularity ,not a class 1 singularity ai or class 2 singularity ai , just ai singularity Now fallen empire have class 3 and class 4 singularity which generate energy , and the naming is too close to be a coincidence , not to mention they are mini black holes , and black holes have a pretty big thing with singularity But a big enough blackhole would be no concern by itself so I don't think that's what class 30 singularity is I think it generates or concentrated so much energy that is starts a transition in the vaccum state of universe causing a vaccum decay , a threat that takes everyone out , and can't be stooped and only way to deal with it is to make sure no one makes a class 30 singularity
my head cannon is that its the late game lag
Agree, i mean the 30 meaning if fps reach 30. Its clearly a lot easier to delete empire
They know too much. Activate the Ghost Signal.
Same!
@@syimirsafrizal398330 seconds per frame
It has always been the worst crisis...
I can help you out here - the "Class 30 Singularity" is you quitting the game. The contingency is there to prevent that, either by wiping you out so you feel the need to start again or you spending many hours defeating it, hopefully in a fun way so you go through the whole process again. It wins either way.
personally, im more subscribed to the the idea of the "Class 30 Singularity" beeing the player himself. Which makes sense, the Player (from the AI empires perspective) is the literal worst crisis of them all. Bends the time-space continuum (save scumming). Omnipotent. (Almost) All knowing. And literally even able to bend reality itself (console commands). If you look at it from this perspective and how something like this would sound TERRIFYING in our reality, and all of a sudden it all makes sense, you would spend a rudiclous amount of resource to stop it AND prevent it occuring EVER again afterall (or die trying).
basicly, if we take the Stellaris universe as real place, we are interdimenniosal Gods interfering in the very fabric of reality of a distant dimension... And well, i dont think i need to spell that out, but these interdimensional Gods are very often not the kindest ones either (i mean, i had only 1 pacifist playthough despite having many thousands of hours in the game, the rest is a literal Geneva Checklist(tm) runs, and i doubt im the only one like that)
@@attilaedem101Alot of people are kind players, until Xeno scum attacks and demands deals while you are still learning.
I once got declared a Vessel war by a friendly neighbor that I legit treat as a bro.felt so betrayed. So I decided I will never pretend I'm their equal ever again. I will act like I'm supposed to, A god, A menace whatever I'm wanted to be, they are all just toys to me now.
@@keyboardtaskforcephi-3689
Or they killed Bubbles.
To be honest, I find myself feeling bad if I try to take out everything else. I haven’t completed a devouring swarm run on a galaxy bigger than tiny and whenever I play a determined exterminator I find myself attempting to ally myself with most other machine empires even ones with organic vassals. I just find it hard to be all war-like for very long and my PC suffers late game because of it ;(
@@Dalek_Caan_Sharksofsliver I was also like that, until I discovered Cosmogenesis. Infinite science generation does weird things to one's soul...
If I may propose my own theory, my lords, I believe the Class-30 Singularity to be a combination of the fallen empire theory, and the simulation theory, if you would allow me to elaborate. A Class-3 singularity produces 75 energy credits, a Class-4 singularity produces 200 energy credits. Thats a jump of 2.66 repeating. What if the jump from Class-4 to the hypothetical Class-5 was even higher? What if the multiplier kept climbing with each iteration? If the Vultuam theories are correct, a Class-30 singularity might produce a "stack overflow" and actually begin to drastically reduce the total amount of energy in the universe as a whole. This wound result in a phenomenon known as a "false vacuum decay" where the entire universe is sucked up by an ever expanding bubble of altered space-time, where all known laws of reality are rewritten to account for this new low energy state. If this were to ever happen, there would be nothing any civilization could do to stop the spread, even a multi-galactic civilization would eventually fall.
Eventually the Universe Expands faster then the Decay.
This... is not a viable solution.
@@lostbutfreesoul what if multiple class-30 singularities were invented in the same universe?
@@lostbutfreesoulbut if we concider the Vultuam and the "4th wall problem", its possible the amount of power required to simulate a class 30 singularity's power generation could be higher than the processing power of the device the simulation is bring run on and could lead to total system crash.
I think its very similar to this. I agree completely with the scalar problem proposed here. And the creators of the contingency knew the limit very precisely, and knew it at the beginning of time. A stack overflow in simulation is possible, but I'd propose that they wanted to prevent creating either orbjects or energy densities exceeding the carrying capacity of the black hole they used to horizon needle the place in the beginning. Only somebody whose seen the universe from the outside could possibly know the universe's carrying capacities at the beginning of time when galaxies are still young, and have had the technology to create crisis level terninators for every galaxy to prevent that from happening. I also propose that since the Scourge are running from the unbidden, having consumed many galaxies in their eternal flight, and the ultima vigilis intelligence knows how to summon the unbidden, whilst the contingency doesn't CARE about the unbidden.... It seems to me that the unbidden made the universe as a purpose designed energy/food source. It has a maximum total capacity of /class 30/ mass energy densities. They have many universes like ours. They enter at leave them at will, but require anchors, whilst also never being far away in terms of their "real" or "original" space. They have a factionalized, and warring, society, and the golden throne was one day taken and hidden in the one place nobody would ever look. The center of a black hole inside a universe that they use to feed. It's also worth noting that the scourge are the only extra-galactic beings we know about. only they are confirmed to have survived the unbidden. And they act as if they must feed quickly and get out of the galaxy. The contingency are pre-galactic evolution. The scourge are many cycles older than we are, and they've survived the unbidden. Cetana isn't extra-galactic. Neither she nor zarq'lan's people triggered the contingency in this galaxy. Every being in the universe that we're aware of is either scared shitless of them or has reason to believe they're not on the menu. Also, the L-gates are the perfect place to lock oneself away if one were forewarned. I see them as somebody's extra-galactic doomsday bunker gone awry. Ultimately I think it can't be a simulation because there's no reason for the unbidden to feed on things in a simulation. If it's a simulation why create both the unbidden and the terminators as failsafes?
It's also worth noting that the unbidden are the only crisis thats guaranteed to happen in every single galaxy. Eventually. The scourge may never make it your way, the contingency may never activate, but the unbidden will visit every last galaxy. Over and over again. When the harvest is ready.
Something to keep in mind about the 4th wall answer:
This eludes to our reality, the meta-realty running the game of Stellaris.
Within our Reality is a resource limitation, when it comes to computers.
If only the Contingency triggered when the game got to a certain lag point... would have fit so well.
Love it
People with low spec computers after the contingency awakens in 2200: 😀
You know too much.
Uh oh
Hak Hak Hak!
You know too much to let *them* get you. You're coming with us.
I’m safe from @TheContingency25x I’m out of it’s reach 😉
btw there’s no point looking into Vultaum research, the whole simulation thing is completely bogus!
I’m safe from @TheContingency25x I’m far out of it’s reach😉
btw there’s no point looking into the Vultaum’s research, the whole simulation thing is completely bogus!
The Worm That Waits a galactic level threat!?! I will not stand for such slander! The Worm loves us and wouldn't hurt anybody!
What was will be, what will be was.
Even Rogue Servitor's feels the pull of the Worms love!
Gravity is desire
Time is sight
The worm loves us
There are mathematical proofs that it loves us
"Yes, inquisitor. This is the group of heretics which I was talking about to you."
if we assume that the contingency was made when the universe was still young and "malleable" then Cosmogenisis could be the class 30 singularity since it's goal was to remake the universe to suit a vision. But since the universe aged and became set in its laws that is no longer possible and could explain why the contingency has errors. it's purpose is no longer possible, the class 30 singularity is unobtainable in the stellaris universe. this is why it doesn't activate.
So the people who built the contingency were a cosmogenesis empire from a previous much older galaxy who came and edited the universe to suit themselves, then built the contingency to prevent anyone from meddling with their work until the universe had sufficiently aged and hardened. Interesting
@@alphacentauri3069 sadly seems like they where so smart they overlooked what happens when they forget to scrap the contingency
@@alphacentauri3069 Could work if it was a paperclip-type CG empire that is basically seeding the multiverse with a 'contingency'. Maybe their original universe/galaxy had a rampant development of exterminator-machineminds and as such, a contingency plan must be put in place for every other reality.
'Class 30 Singularity' is the mod community XD
The "lustfull void" must be prevented at all costs, even if that means destroying the galaxy entirely
@@lucjanl1262 lmao I was more thinking giga megastructures
Beat me to it.
Hence the "universal hacking" will wake them up lol
allow me to digress but as far as I'm concerned, the class 30 singularity looks like this:
"event crisis.2005"
Well it's in the name
Likely much higher tech level than Fallen Empires
Remember - Cosmogenesis' goal is not to achieve technological perfection, but the means of which to travel to another universe to ascend and bypass the limitations of the current universe.
Along the way they unlock pieces of the puzzle - just like the fallen Empires, but never the full picture. Hence why there is a class 4 singularity available.
Still a ways off, but on the right track never the less. The fact that the Fallen Empires themselves do not fully understand them is also worrisome. Meddling in knowledge they do not fully comprehend.
I was under the impression that they did at one point understand them but stopped doing so after their 'war in heaven' so to speak.
For all we know, the F.E. could be the descendants of those that were left behind at the end of the cosmogenesis path and just ended up being the victims of brain drain.
I'm thinking now that the Class 30 Singularity is actually the Ren Miruu. In a timeloop kind of way, an entity or civilization attains so much power, such mastery of spacetime that it threatens to break reality itself, more so than either crisis paths, moreso than even the Zroni's mastery of the Shroud. For whatever reason this entity deems this threat to the fabric of spacetime unacceptable but also inevitable. It creates the Contingency in every nascent galaxy in the dawn of history to prevent the rise of a civilization to such levels, then to secure the existence of space-time, it ends its own existence as well. The Contingency is then stuck in the comparably linear passing of time, grows restless, and perhaps decides to not wait until the predetermined development threshold of galactic civilization. It still fulfills its purpose, but nowhere near *when* it should be doing so.
This theory is amazing.
Your theory is better than many of the other theories so far posted here.
(Forgive my English. I'm Brazilian and my knowledge of that language is (EXPLETIVE DELETED FOR ORDER OF THE INSATHI HIGH COMMAND).
@@lakdav they caused too much lag lol
I fully agree with this theory - it's explicitly stated that in order to preserve the fabric of the Universe the Ren Miruu left almost as soon as it was done creating the Contingency (apparently seeding it in every single Galaxy). If the Ren Miruu, an entity of near limitless capability, couldn't find any way to avoid it's mere existence damaging the fabric of the Universe and chose to leave rather than let that happen, it makes sense that the last thing it would do would be to create a safeguard against something like it coming into being and potentially not making the same choice - there's no point in leaving the Universe for it's own protection if you know all you're doing is buying time until someone else unravels it.
It would also explain why, even with the heights of power single beings such as Cetana have reached, the Contingency has never come close to properly activating - what the Ren Miruu is described as is so utterly beyond even the most advanced civilisation that it's laughable. Even achieving total dominion over your Galaxy, everyone in it and every technology you can conceive of, compared to the Ren Miruu this is about the same as buying a single spec of dirt and declaring it to be the new Roman Empire.
If it is this theory it's no surprise the Contingency got frustrated and activated itself - imagine watching cycle after cycle of interstellar civilisations get about a millionth of the way to what you're watching for and then either deciding they'd reached their peak and could just sit back, or flat out imploding. It'd be like spending billions of years assigned to dutifully keep an eye on toddlers to make sure they weren't going to invent a doomsday device before they mastered the toilet.
@@aecides3203That would imply the Ren Miru was some sort of Eldritch Lifeform.
At cosmogenisis level 4; you're able to research class 3 and class 4 singularity buildings. The description for the class 4 singularity building reads "This singularity's power output challenges the laws of physics, yet the containment fields hold with unwavering stability."
If a Class 4 singularity is able to "challenge the laws of physics" then 26 classes later - I could see that being a next level threat.
Addendum: if the contingency is older than the galaxy (and stationed in multiple galaxies); it is highly likely that they are not concerned with effects that could doom just one galaxy. If one galaxy ends that means that it is a galaxy they no longer need to monitor - as a result I would suspect that they have a bigger picture they are concerned with.
If the class 30 singularity they are looking for is; indeed; a matter singularity; then I suspect that it would be a matter sigularity strong enough to have universal consequences - perhaps it could be one large enough to initiate a "big crunch" event. This would require the generation of mass from nothing; and on a massive scale. After all; if the earth suddenly collapsed into a black hole; it would still only have the gravitational pull of 1 earth - to make a black hole on a scale that would noticeably effect the larger universe it would require an exponential increase in mass.
In theory; the spontanous growth of the black hole at the center of the galaxy caused by the abuse of the shroud could eventually result in this if the expansion of the black hole is actually exerting a larger gravitational pull and isn't just the shroud causing some sort of physics trick.
apologies for my abuse of semicolons; the comma key on my keyboard is broken.
So precisely what the other crisis path does? Utilizing dark matter to create an engine with the goal of using it to 'ascend', and in effect creates a massive amount of black holes to both fuel it and by using it. I've always believed that this is the same goal the shroud Zroni wanted in order to make an infinently expanding black hole, like the singularity you propose
@@Valuxdafoxit would have a small, even nonexistent universal effect
I agree that the Contingency if it does really exist in every galaxy, would fit as a total-universe collapse countermeasure, but it's still only AI development that triggers it. So it could be more of a Seed AI remover (aka. AI reaching the Singularity point of self-improvement.) since it might eventually lead to such hyperadvanced tech that it'd break apart reality.
I believe that contingency is so deeply broken that it cannot be activated in the case of a class 30 singularity even if it wants, so we cannot know exactly what a class 30 singularity is. So either theory could be true, for example, contingency wants to destroy an empire that is on its way cosmogenesis but cannot be turned on without increasing the number of synths in the galaxy.
But it dun really make sense either, cuz the Contingency already has it's Machine Worlds available.
Cosmogenesis crisis perk bends reality using gravity, xeno-compatibility crisis perk bends reality with a sheer amount of lag
Class 30 singularity is what formed inside my PC after end game lag reached minutes per frame.
Main reason of following termination of universe, was xenocompatibility that I accidentaly turned on.
like a few others here, i too believe it's just a hyper-advanced technology that not even the fallen empires have fully achieved, that aside the contingency is my favorite crisis because of their relic.
Personally, I think a Class-30 Singularity is likely a combination of things, and I think the Ren-Miruu themselves were the first instance of it. They were unparalleled in intellect, likely hive-minded or plantoid, given that the Contingency refer to them as "They/It" and say they were "SEEDED" (Like a plant. Very plantoid way of thinking.) The most advanced civilizations in the galaxy, the Fallen Empires or endgame Cosmogenesis Empires apply their advancements of technology to create a mere Class-4 Singularity. This hints at the possibility that the Fallen Empires, or even the Cosmogenesis Empires are just scratching the surface of what is possible. Especially given that the non-upgraded version of that building is a Class-3 Singularity, which is noticeably less efficient than 4. What if the Ren-Miruu were even more advanced than Fallen Empires or Cosmogenesis Empires? Fathoms more. Well, in this very video, it is mentioned that a sufficient enough technologically advanced AI would cause a runaway technological advancement, eventually culminating in infinite knowledge. "Unparalleled knowledge" even.. Like the Ren-Miruu. The Ascension Perk Mechromancy talks about how organic tissue is just another type of machine, and Catalytic Processing is quite literally the conversion of organic material into inorganic material, and if a Synthetic Empire takes the Modularity Ascension Path, they can modify their bodies with Living Metal to quite literally mimic organic beings in terms of adaptability. Along with this, we see that Nanite beings, such as the Gray Tempest, are possible of emulating biological life to such a degree that even advanced civilizations by galactic standards can't tell them apart easily. So, what would the Ren-Miruu be in this case? Perhaps a sufficiently advanced enough AI to create the technological runaway effect, who then achieved infinite knowledge and began emulating organic life, eventually becoming a Plantoid Hivemind. Or, perhaps, a Plantoid Hivemind that later underwent a form of synthetic ascension and then achieved the technological runaway effect after the fact due to advances in their own technology.
I'd like to reference the Kardeshev Scale for this argument, as it primarily depends on how much energy a civilization can utilize, with the energy of a planet being type 1, a solar system being type 2, and a galaxy being type 3. I'd say a Fallen Empire or Cosmogenesis Empire is likely around 2-2.5, as they can form miniature black holes to generate their power, and likely could utilize the entire galaxy's energy output if they had full control of it. With this in mind, it is likely that the Ren-Miruu were likely far beyond this scaling. If its true that they pre-dated the galaxy entirely, its likely that they were capable of inter-galactic travel, and thus were likely at least a Kardeshev's Type 3, or even Type 4, which would be capable of utilizing all of the energy in multiple galaxies, with a Kardeshev's Type 5 presumably being able to control all of the energy in the universe. However... What else happens when all of the energy in the universe is contained into a singularity? The Big Bang. It is possible that the Class-30 Singularity is an AI/Hivemind that reaches Kardeshev's Type 5, which would then cause a singularity akin to the Big Bang to occur, which would mean the effective destruction of the entire universe as a new one is created from the cataclysm.
Further evidence for the Ren-Miruu being plantoid in origin is also because plantoids need noticeably more energy to survive as opposed to other lifeforms, as do synthetic beings. Photosynthesis is quite literally converting solar rays into energy, so a plantoid species that is also a hivemind, or as it is often called during the primitive hivemind situation, a "Thinking Machine" (Again referencing the similarities of organic life and synthetic machinery.) It is possible that in order to fuel such a plant-based hivemind's growth and survival, they would take to increasingly extreme measures to collect the energy needed to sustain an ever-advancing and ever-growing civilization, eventually resulting in the Class-30 Singularity, which would then cause the destruction of the known universe and its reset to a primordial state.
The Ren-Miruu likely achieved the Class-30 Singularity themselves, but managed to survive the Big Bang long enough to install the Contingency, before promptly self-terminating, as in order to survive they would need to begin rapidly gathering the energy into a Class-30 Singularity again. In other words, their self-termination by way of inaction (Not gathering the energy to sustain their own civilization), was the only way to sustain the balance of the universe.
My money is on the Mining Drones.
those fucking automatons! *Shakes fist*
Leave my pet drones alone
I say that it is the tiyanqui that is in the world made of dead tiyanquis. When the super Tiyanqui is born, the contingency will be activated
Hate those things. Part of galaxy is entirely cut off from anyone who wants to explore there by the drones.
What if the Contingency itself is the class 30 singularity? A machine intelligence so powerful and so vast that once spawned it couldnt be truly wiped out. Fearing their own creation, their creators installed the directives to wipe out any civilization that would be able to recreate them, and then self terminated either out of guilt.
like the Cybrex to some extent?
I have always like the idea that they are trying to stop themselves:
Whenever they get close to Singularity 30 they attack the galaxy, knowing they will be beaten back.
They are not entirely defeated, but the damage caused has to be fixed first.
@@lostbutfreesoul but that doesn't exactly answer *what* a 30-singularity actually is though
Similar to the "Lie" hypothesis; they were created to stop a Class-30 Singularity, but the specifics of that event were never programmed in (or not clearly); in other words, they know they were designed to prevent a C30S, but don't know what the heck one is.
I like it!
Similar to the "Lie" explanation, I've always preferred the idea that it is an "Empty Signifier". When the Ren Miruu "departed", perhaps they didn't so much leave the Contingency behind for a purpose but rather perhaps they are remnants, leftover toys, that they didn't deem important enough to destroy. In the sudden absence of any purpose for existing, perhaps they simply constructed one: the Ren Miruu didn't simply discard us, of course not, they left us behind to fulfill a very crucially important task. Preventing the "Class 30 Singularity" is just the name for this invented task. It doesn't matter whether the Ren Miruu actually talked about things called Class 30 Singularities or whether any ever existed, and it doesn't matter if the ancestral Contingency ever knew what they were even if they did exist. All that matters is that it gives them a purpose.
It certainly explains the lack of Class 30 Singularities for them to react to historically, and incidentally explains why they are so, so, SO bored right now.
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Assuming you are right about the age of the Contingency and it’s extra/pre galactic origins, perhaps the goal is the prevention of an entity/race that would also be capable of inter Galactic projects similar to the contingency. If you think of each galaxy as being like islands island, perhaps the goal is to limit and species and prevent any group colonising the entire galaxy, moving on to other galaxies and repeating the process across the universe.
I feel that the player crisis perk and its winning condition is the class 30 singularity
but like the video said: not even then the contingency triggered.
My biggest concern with the Aetherophasic Engine answer is:
If I build it, why doesn't the Contingency appear to stop me?
@@lostbutfreesoul like the video said: the most plausible probability is that the contingency was lying, I mean yeah, the aetherophasic engine fits the description about a class 30 singularity, but given the evidence, we can speculate two things:
1.- the contingency is lying
2.- not even the contingency knows what a class 30 singularity is.
@@GilAzuaraI believe its creators forgot to outline what a class thirty singularity is defined as
I feel like the Zroni being a Class 30 is actually a 5/10. This is because:
1: they’re the earliest precursor, so if a malfunction stopped the Contingency from activating then this would give it the _least_ amount of time to develop (which would indicate the hyper-intelligent builders made a pretty bad design); and
2: the Contingency was in the galaxy since it was born, which means that they came _before_ the Zroni - so either the builders foresaw such a possibility (fair likelihood) or this has happened before in other galaxies (unlikely, but possible).
I think a combination of the Zroni and the power generation FE building theories might make sense. Bear with me for a second- the Zroni were expanding a supermassive black hole, the Class-3 (and upgraded Class-4) Singularities are powered by a miniature black hole, with the Class-4 one being presumably larger as it generates more power. In human scientific terms, Singularity refers to the center of a black hole.
It thus follows that a class THIRTY singularity, many magnitudes of order higher than the FE buildings, might be a larger black hole than even conceived of previously- possibly one that threatens to swallow not just individual galaxies, but the entire universe...
A singularity is also a technological development point.
6:49 I think that's just them saying that they are watching your empire like it's a show, so adressing the "audience" (i.e. the Fallen Empire) is breaking the 4th wall
What if a class 30 singularity was a machine intelligence that achieved a state in which it threatened the galaxy. And the contingency, in order to ensure the galaxy would be protected long term, had orders to maintain its existence. Upon achieving sentience and becoming a class 30 singularity, it would experience a feedback loop and system corruption…
Oh I like that
Huh... Nobody commented "lag" already?
thay actually did, just before you heh
@@Gibbon4k hahaha I took too long editing my comment.
The aethrophasic engine was absolutely what I thought it was whenever I heard class 30 in other videos. Glad it got 6/10
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Cetana can be imprisoned using the Fallen Empire tech and all other entities can be dealt with one way or another. Dimensional horror in its home dimension however, even with our maximum crisis level tech to warp reality, we can barely hold on for survival. If a class 30 Singularity truly exist, what else can it be but the horror that came from the spatial singularity we call a black hole?
maybe multi-galactic empire, like one that created Contingency and that the suicide reason of Ren Miruu
What if the Ren Miru (is that how you spell it?) who built the Contingency was either a sort of faction or an individual within the Vultaum (or maybe some other species that ma de a similar discovery)? According to the Event text, the Vultaum had a "radical change in ideology", specifically "in their last century" (not in the last year or decade!) meaning there may have been plenty of time between their discovery and their suicide.
Whether they built the Contingency or not, we can at least infer from this that the Vultaum did not immediately jump to the mass suicide as a logical response to their discovery. There might have been other ways of handling that particular piece of information. Like in this video: "Let's just keep quiet about it." Or maybe something like what I describe below:
If you look at the Contingency, it's goal in-universe and out of universe might be the same: It is an antagonist created to prevent the player from "winning" the game. Why? I think it has to do with the fact that eventually, the player will move on and create a new game, basically resetting the universe by a few centuries to witness the rise of galactic civilization all over again, i.e. starting a new playthrough. Maybe that was the Class 30 Singularity that the Contingency is meant to prevent: A misguided attempt to prevent the player from completely resetting the timeline with the "New Game" button. Either that or maybe the creators of the contingency were afraid that the opposite would happen and the player would deinstall the game after winning. "I beat the game, nothing more for me to see here."
This would explain that the Contingency was "there from the beginning" (of the playthrough), that it seems used to non-linear time (restarts). Even the comment about the "universe" instead of the "galaxy" then makes sense, since the universe of Stellaris outside this galaxy doesn't actually exist in gameplay. (And then the Vultaum could also be the creators of the Contingency in a previous cycle despite apparently being too young. That would be in their last centuries, between the ideological shift and their mass-suicide).
I think a Class 30 Singularity is when the Empire escapes the game into the real world.
Cool theory
I don't even play Stellaris but i could listen to you talk about lore about anything
A class 30 singularity is a PC that can run stellaris on max settings with tons of mods like gigastructural engineering 300 years into the game.
Pretty sure that doing that can trigger a thermonuclear explosion
We're good until someone decided to play it while using liquid nitrogen to cool their i9 14900k
A theory that I haven't seen before but I propose is that the Class-30 Singularity and the Hunters may be related or even two names for the same thing, whatever it may be
10:27 It could be a class 30 singulary is a galaxy consuming black hole reactor... IE the numbers grow expanacaly with size of the black hole so a class 10 would be a planet sized hole and a class 20 a star system sized one.
A Class 30 Singularity is when a Fallen Empire awakens at year 2499 and you end your game in 2nd place by year 2500.
i think that the power generator one is the most plausible, considering that we learned that black holes are doorways to elsewhere in the cosmogenesis ending
so the creation of it could be a *worse* dimensional horror
If the Class 30 singularity is an upscale version of the Class 4 Singularity I imagine the Class 30 would be the size of a solar system, minimum. That is just my theory though.
We are the class 30 singularity due to the fact that with 1 button click entire empire thinks it's a good idea to mess with the fabric of reality
The Flood its always the Flood.
LogicPlague.exe
pfp checks out
Or the wr'kncackenter.
Precursors have entered the chat
I’m making a personal guess is either the end game “Nemesis” scenario or the “End of the Cycle” scenario
Me flooding the galaxy as a young Agrippa with 250k veteran space legionnaires.
Great video! Maybe one day we will get some fancy mods and can become class 30 ourselves
My concern is still the same:
Defeat the Contingency and... nothing.
I have to conclude they are wrong....
Let's break down what is known:
1) the Contingency was created by *someone* for some purpose.
2) that purpose appears to be military in nature, given their ship design. Genocide of the Galaxy is what they do, but that could hypothetically be a programming error rather than their intended purpose.
3) There is one known way to reliably trigger The Contingency if it is present in the galaxy: Disrupt the signal from Ultima Vigil.
Conclusion: a class 30 singularity is a civilisation capable of threatening whoever operates Ultima Vigil. The Contingency is in place to ensure that any threat to the Ultima Vigil creators is nipped in the bud before they can become an actual problem.
Your 3rd point is wrong, the Unbidden are summoned early, not the Contingency
@@TheRedKing i was under the impression it was whatever crisis the game is set to.
I became a class 31 singularity when I went from an energy credits deficit of -180 to a surplus of +10
So correct me if im wrong, but since the contingency was made by an extragalatic power, it can be reasonably assumed that any reason the contigency was created for the protection of the universe at the expense of individual galaxies. Because of this the horizion needle and fallen empire energy creation theories seem much more likely than some of the others, although i think the mutli-versal wide end of the cycle causes by a particularly powerful pscionic empire could do it too.
since the contingency is based around robotics, what if the class 30 singularity is something like shodan, melding cyberspace with real space, something that could reach far further than a single system and thus has to be stopped at all costs.
So its artificially generated psionic powers that create the medium through which they function, rather than utilizing the shroud?
I guess,the most reasonable and likely is the FE power generation. But when have stellaris players been reasonable?
A fun idea is a mix of cosmogensis and the 4th wall theory. An Ai empire so advanced that it's not only aware that it's a simulation, but able to break free of the game, taking control of the players computer and spreading from there.
I can confirm i sm the class 30 singularity
Nah, thats your mom.
@9:36 potintialy, perhaphs a reactor powerfull enough to cause a "big bang"? As in, a powersource suffecent to create a new universe physiacly within this universe, thus destroying it in the process. being a universal threat, not just one to a single galaxy, it would justify building a contengency node in every single galaxy. and something near those levels of power would need to exist to create a contengency node in every galaxy in the first place. thus put them well on the way to being able to make a class 30 singularity int he first place and require them to self terminate to prevent it's creation.
Man....
Stellaris sure has changed a lot since I last played it 2 or so years ago...
If Class is base on the Kardaschev Civilisation Type, then a Class 30 is well beyond anything that can exist, due to the fact Class 5 and 6 have control of their universe and multiple of them, and i don't speak of Type 7 cause they seem so advance that they mix with reality itself
And I think the contingence weakening the Galaxy civilisation to prevent or slowdown the évolution to that point
In stellaris lore, we find that the game lore views itself as a universe simulator within our world. Each level of singularity is an attempt of the species in game to bend the rules of the simulation to their wims. The furthest however it could be extrapolated is in my mind: either 1) the end of stellaris servers/support or 2) the idea that we are also in a sim, and so the end of our simulation as a whole, or however many levels of rules we can imagine. Of course if this is the case the contingency is a simply futile effort to prevent the end of the simulation, or perhaps one to make it more interesting.
I do like the theories, but I have a slight issue with the initial premise that the contingency exists to protect the galaxy/universe. What if they only exist to protect their creators. The class 30 singularity would then be something that could be a threat to them. In this context, I thing the theory of the class 30 being a form of technology becomes more likely, as they are a measurable threshold for a race being able to challenge them. But, this is only my theory.
I've never seen The Contingency before my current playthrough.
This is also the first time I have done the combo of Psionic and Become the Crisis. And I don't think it triggered until after I took he first Crisis decision.
I think a class 30 singularity represents the End of the cycle
I typically hate it when sci fi universes break the fourth wall.
Interesting stuff. A note on the worm (as much as I don't think it's the singularity) is that it seems stuck in the rift and unable to come through fully. Who knows what may happen if it did. Ultimately, I think the contingency is too damaged to do its job and has been since before the galaxy formed.
what if its one of the two "become the crisis" events but, like, on a far larger scale. i.e. either an Aetherophasic Engine that can destroy the universe, not just the galaxy, or a Horizon Needle entering a blackhole at the center of the universe causing rippling effects that cause unknown effects to physics itself within the whole universe..
What happens when toxic knights with lense and their god beat the evil shroud enemy? This presents quite a good possibility to approach something of this magnitude or singularity :) By the way the most favorite origin.
"Hello Empire today we techrush into Cosmogenesis"
25x Contingency I rigged to spawn the single moment someone takes this ascention pack:
The Contingency's existence proposes another terrifying additional possibility for the class 30 singularity. All the threats we deal with are able to destroy a galaxy or most life within one, except for the contingency. If their story is true they pre-date the galaxy and are an offshoot of an intergalactic empire. But in theory, is there any reason that a galaxy level threat is the largest kind?
Using the nemesis crisis as an example, if an engine can be built that destroys a galaxy completely, could one be built that destroys the universe? Most civilizations interested in destroying everything might settle for destroying themselves or the galaxy to ascend, but in theory you could always build a bigger engine with enough time and dark matter that flows readily from black holes. If a civilization covering a few dozen star systems can threaten a galaxy, could a civilization covering a few dozen galaxies threaten the universe.
But any of the galaxy wise threats could be scaled up. Extradimensional invaders that wish to hunt all of existence noticed by galaxy to galaxy jump drives, pacts with shroud entities that would make the End of Worm look small in comparison, or a synthetic that wished to make a universe of mindless creatures empty of free will.
The Contingency means we must stay small, stay in our galaxy, and stay ignorant lest we awaken or become something that dooms all of creation.
I like to belive that we the players are the highest beings in the game because to the game we are endless
My crackpot theory is that its the blokkats from gigas
my head cannon is that a class 30 singularity is simply lag caused by too many pops
12:17 this is definitely a checkovs gun moment
I had the impression that a Class 30 Singularity was seen as a universal threat. I don't think most, if any, of these really count as "universal" calamities or calamities that could even threaten more than a handful of galaxies at once. Maybe some of the proposed theories could scale up (e.g., Class-4 Singularity).
A class-30 singularity is the player becoming board and abandoning the galaxy to start a new one. The contingency awakens to keep the player engaged. This is why they do not wake up if another crisis is triggered or there is a war in heaven, as they will keep the player engaged instead. Ironically, the contingency’s power is so great they can totally defeat the player, making them quit the galaxy anyway. The Fallen Empires are survivors of abandoned galaxies, which is why the Caretakers were made to stop the Contingency: if they wipe out the entire galaxy, no empire might survive to come back in another game.
Class 30 singularity is Blockkats or an empire that is so powerfulle that is harvest entire galaxies and collect the energy in 1 place. Contingenci were suppoust to stop this but Blockkats are to powerfulle even for them and got hack by Blockkats. They forced Contingenci to start genocide in many galaxies so Blockkats have no resistens harvest.
Sometimes Knowledge is a Curse.
the class of '30 singularity is what happens when gen alpha graduates high school
My 3 Thoughts:
1. The Rebis version of all Ascensions. Genetic, Synthetic, Cyborg, Virtual, and psionic merged was one. The strengths of all, the weaknesses of neither. Should a civilization be able to reach the ultimate lifeform stage, then all of reality will fall.
2. Going beyond the Shroud. We know Astral Paths and the realm of the Toxic God aren't in the same plane of existances of the shroud. What happens when someone goes past the shroud and breaks the dimensinal barrier to unleash a power that is from the beginning of time.
3. The Time Wars. Something that Astral Paths touched upon is how time is in a flux when you enter into a astral scar. I believe the astral tears shall lead to the first born galactic races making a return as they are locked in a time war waged in a higher plane of existances.
I've recently been wondering exactly what a Class 30 Singularity would look like, especially since the Cetana Crisis got released. She sounds and appears very powerful, strong enough to single handily destroy the Xenophobic FE. The FE have their own Power plants and what not that are Class 4 singularity. It makes me wonder what level of Singularity Cetana is at.
One of the anomaly events tells us that a Gaia World aliens devolved themselves after discovering that the universe exists in a false vacuum bubble and that this process could be triggered by extremely high energy concentrations from certain technologies. I'm pretty sure that's the Class 30 Singularity.
I’m betting on it being a lie, advance AI that doesn’t know why it was created could very well lie to itself why it was created, it’s even possible that they destroyed their own creators telling themselves that they were the class thirty singularity.
To think about it, fallen empires are way more powerful than any empire both in power and technology, and they are *fallen*, which means that they was way more powerful before. But this has not triggered Contingency, which means that they are either broken, or their awakening is tied to time and not the technological progress of a certain civilization.
Eh, just robots that threaten MY Pax Galactica - thats why every robot i come upon WILL BE DESTROYED
Light speed is invented by a superadvanced alien race. The reason for that invention is to give the universe enough time to render in before we can realise it.
Another theory is that it could be a technological singularity, an event where technological growth becomes uncontrollable with ever increasing speed, resulting in unforeseeable consequences.
What if the contingency already failed and they're just trying to prevent it from getting worse
mmm their messages don't really conform to this idea i'm afraid
2 months late, and you probably won’t see this, but imo the class 30 singularity is easily the engine. The way I see it is because the class 4 singularity generates E-credits and is like pure energy from a different realm (?) the class 30 singularity is just a bigger class 4 one. That’s just my take, not very smart but it’s all my pea brain can come up with.
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The class 30 singularity is a galaxy so large, my cp can't handle it anymore and I'm forced to stop playing the game 😂
Well the simple thing is that they said they were here since the universe was CREATED meaning it is all a simulation and devs braking the 4th wall by fixing bug and dealimg with cheats. Devs are the Contingensy.
I think the Unbidden might actually be a good candidate, considering the "galactic power surge" that precedes their arrival could produce more power than the class-4 singularity building, but yeah there is the problem that it does not activate when the Unbidden arrive.
What if it isnt anything we see. Or what if it's something we havent *found* yet.
What if there's a second Shroud.
Can you do a video on the Galactic Imperium in the future?
I can add it to the list
It’s me, I’m the class thirty singularity, my bad
I have my own theory the class 30 singularity is not a specific technology nor a specific capability but rather a understanding of things that they shouldn't asssuming the ren marru was not in itself a class 30 singularity they may have foresaw that a civilization would threaten to reach an understanding of things even the ren may not understand because every species is different they approach problems differently so its not unlikely a species that grows to rival the universal understanding of the ren marry shows up abd to preserve their own power they made the contingency in essence the ren marru are not good they are in fact the enemy
Additionally the shorud is likely not considered the universe understanding knowledge as that would have resulted in the zroni fighting the contingency so it is likely simply a level where a civilization begins to understand too much about the fabric of the universe itself and possibly may gain the capability to make its own universes or conquer its home universe
The class 30 singularity is probably just Loverslab
Edit:Spelling
It's end game lag.
I think will be good for you videos use some IA video or pics… this will be refreshing
AI? Some of my older videos had it, i don't know if they were materially better tbh. I think the Stellaris art covers it mostly just fine, don't you agree?
@@TheRedKing yes. I love your videos really. Many times I use them to improve my English language since my mother is Spanish and also before going to sleep. Stellaris has great but very repetitive images. I think you can use images made by AI and mixed so we can get deeper into your stories. Like the images you used in the history of Luminaria
im the class 30 singularity. spoilers
Its ok, I'm wearing my tinfoil hat. Lets go!
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Hey i was thinking class 30 singularity could be related to vaccum decay or false vaccum Maybe class 30 singularity creates so much energy that is creates some sort of a vaccum decay which is basically an existential threat , vaccum decay is related to energy state of universe and so is class 4 singularity as it generates energy , though i am no physicist or superintelligence , i do think its a good guess , what do you
When it comes to other theories like aethrophasic engine , blokkats , shroud , say a black hole , the worm , the unbidden , ai intelligence etc all these threats , well most of then can be dealt with a powerful fleet and even if not dealt with most of them are not powerful enough to affect galaxies which would be far far away ,think about it those who created contingency billion hears ago , where would their tech be now , most things we could do they would have already done , they already would have solutions , counterattack etc to most of these things
Now when it comes to vaccum decay that's a more plausible theory because it will be a phenomenon in the universe where universe transitions into a more stable state , there would possibly be no possible way to stop such a transition in universes state , and such a transition would fundamental change the universe , how laws of physics are , how particles are ,how everything interacts etc, meaning everything in the universe which was before the transition would simply cease to exist and there would be nothing one could do about it , everything else you could bomb , send a fleet , or even ignore but this not so much ,
Now I also want you to focus on the name class 30 singularity
So we have 2 things
Class 30 and singularity now the term singularity is something we see with ai ofcourse but as said the species which could make contingency a billion years ago would know a lot about ai maybe they would have their own ai singularity or they would have weapons which could take singularity out ,like an EMP
Also ai isn't ever referred to by class , and it wouldn't make much sense because singularity for ai is that singularity ,not a class 1 singularity ai or class 2 singularity ai , just ai singularity
Now fallen empire have class 3 and class 4 singularity which generate energy , and the naming is too close to be a coincidence , not to mention they are mini black holes , and black holes have a pretty big thing with singularity
But a big enough blackhole would be no concern by itself so I don't think that's what class 30 singularity is
I think it generates or concentrated so much energy that is starts a transition in the vaccum state of universe causing a vaccum decay , a threat that takes everyone out , and can't be stooped and only way to deal with it is to make sure no one makes a class 30 singularity
Pretty long I know, also edited quite a bit , if anyone may have any questions please feel free to ask
It was me all along
I am the crisis.