MM started to bug out at 18:08 and ultimately this lead to its defeat. That bug is very annoying as it is not something that can be easily fixed. It is actually from the game itself and not the bot. It happens when too many actions have been sent in the game (but we currently have no idea what is the maximum amount or rate). The effect is that every unit is given a random past action on every frame and the new actions the bot is sending to the game are ignored, so at that point MM had absolutely no control on its units and production.
@@jasonwatkins7767 When MM is over 140k APM, it's after the bug started. It usually stays under 100k APM. I still need to gather more information though to understand what exactly cause the bug to happen.
to me it looked like the cause was MM finding a base on the top side of the map by accident, making its army doubt between attacking bottomside or topside. Maybe that caused the APM to go crazy and bug out the game?
The Ravens giving vision for the Tanks is totally a behavior Jensiii coded for his bot. The army cohesion of JensiiiBot is probably the best on the ladder, however it has plenty of issues in other aspects of the game.
Looks like MM was trying to do speed mining (micro scvs so they don't decelerate), but was giving too many actions to do it. Too many because there is a bug in Blizzard's api where your actions will happen randomly and in the wrong order. This bug happens when you give too many actions.140k apm is certainly too many. To be safe you want to keep it under 50k apm.
The gas income for MM at the start of the game is lower with the bunker gas mining because in that version it had a bug where SCVs were dropped at a wrong timing, making them walk often when they shouldn't have, so the Refineries were not at full capacity.
It's impossible to outmine 3 in gas, as that's max saturation. So the bunker mining will likely be less, but if you can get near max saturation with just 2 scvs per gas, then it's worth.
@@BlindMidget doesn't anothe scv cost only 50 and the bunker 100? I get it, the bunker can be salvaged, but wouldn't this make only sense near max supply? Or when you are really starved on CC idle time to produce workers? Sounds like a 100 minerals less to get the next cc though...
@@Krarilotus the bunker allows for only 4 scvs to saturate the geysers so the cost is covered. The scvs that are saved from gathering gas can gather more minerals instead
@@BlindMidget yes, but you are limited by spending amunt more than actually scv amount at that time, because you could easily spend the 100 extra minerals on a new CC which unlocks you more scv production + more mineral patches to mine from. Thats also why you ofc always overproduce scvs on first base, to saturate the second base quicker and so on and forth. The bunker delays that. Therefore even with the micro and getting gas from the geysier with just 2 scv's means that you spend 100 minerals on the bunker, where you could have spent 50 minerals on gettig faster scv production and 50 on another scv. I doubt the bunker is truely worth it until you reach supply limiatations at which point you probably instead of bunkering up get more ccs to get mules!
Micromachine seems to have a lot of useless/filler APM, its just there for the sake of being there. Mean while Jensii is using unit compositions and not just clicking every unit to a location
the future of esports ;) honestly i would like high automation in my games so mostly i just had to do the decision making not all the tidious ofc if you have apm and memba things
Clearly some bugged behaviour. Maybe it has something to to with latency due to high load. There were some intense battles which might have simply overload the processor. Maybe some scripts were timely based on another and got out of sync because of it. I hope the developer of Microbot finds a fix!
Just share this video to the MicroMachine Bot creators maybe they can fix the error/bugs. Cuz I'm actually intrigued what 110K to 160K APM will actually do once all greased and polished up! It prolly is just a check fix to see if selected that it doesn't need to reselect unless taking new territory or running away from enemy, I'm sure it's a simple quick fix.
@@LaughNgamez the Ai is literally doing calculations based on enemy army supply in the chat. This would be hidden information to a human. The bot gets it from a function call
the real deciding factor there was the upgrade management. JensiiiBot had a commanding lead of upgrades the whole game, it almost cost it the game there in the middle when it first started investing in them and MM started to sweep the map but it held on just long enough to get it's army supply back up and it was over after that.
Nah, the upgrades had nothing to do with JensiiiBot winning. It was being crushed by MicroMachine and won only because MM wasn't able to fight back once SC2 started to bug out (see my other comments).
@@BlindMidget idk, the glitching certainly played a part but I don't think it's a coincidence that everything turned around right as the upgraid gap took off.
MM started to bug out at 18:08 and ultimately this lead to its defeat. That bug is very annoying as it is not something that can be easily fixed. It is actually from the game itself and not the bot. It happens when too many actions have been sent in the game (but we currently have no idea what is the maximum amount or rate). The effect is that every unit is given a random past action on every frame and the new actions the bot is sending to the game are ignored, so at that point MM had absolutely no control on its units and production.
Do you think it has something to do with uncapped APM? Micromachine was at one point in the game doing over 140K APM.
@@jasonwatkins7767 When MM is over 140k APM, it's after the bug started. It usually stays under 100k APM. I still need to gather more information though to understand what exactly cause the bug to happen.
to me it looked like the cause was MM finding a base on the top side of the map by accident, making its army doubt between attacking bottomside or topside. Maybe that caused the APM to go crazy and bug out the game?
Do you think, MM would win alphastar?
@@VK-sz4it I'm fairly confident MM would get rolled over by AlphaStar. MM played a few times against GMs and it was pretty far from winning
The Ravens giving vision for the Tanks is totally a behavior Jensiii coded for his bot. The army cohesion of JensiiiBot is probably the best on the ladder, however it has plenty of issues in other aspects of the game.
Looks like MM was trying to do speed mining (micro scvs so they don't decelerate), but was giving too many actions to do it. Too many because there is a bug in Blizzard's api where your actions will happen randomly and in the wrong order. This bug happens when you give too many actions.140k apm is certainly too many. To be safe you want to keep it under 50k apm.
That's really nice to know, so I don't micro too hard next time.
What a throw! Outmicroed itself
I don't know why but watching bots playing SC2 is really satifying
The gas income for MM at the start of the game is lower with the bunker gas mining because in that version it had a bug where SCVs were dropped at a wrong timing, making them walk often when they shouldn't have, so the Refineries were not at full capacity.
It's impossible to outmine 3 in gas, as that's max saturation. So the bunker mining will likely be less, but if you can get near max saturation with just 2 scvs per gas, then it's worth.
@@Ketroc yeah, on the ladder right now it's supposed to be fixed, but I haven't validated yet. Would be nice to compare with other bots
@@BlindMidget doesn't anothe scv cost only 50 and the bunker 100?
I get it, the bunker can be salvaged, but wouldn't this make only sense near max supply? Or when you are really starved on CC idle time to produce workers? Sounds like a 100 minerals less to get the next cc though...
@@Krarilotus the bunker allows for only 4 scvs to saturate the geysers so the cost is covered. The scvs that are saved from gathering gas can gather more minerals instead
@@BlindMidget yes, but you are limited by spending amunt more than actually scv amount at that time, because you could easily spend the 100 extra minerals on a new CC which unlocks you more scv production + more mineral patches to mine from. Thats also why you ofc always overproduce scvs on first base, to saturate the second base quicker and so on and forth. The bunker delays that. Therefore even with the micro and getting gas from the geysier with just 2 scv's means that you spend 100 minerals on the bunker, where you could have spent 50 minerals on gettig faster scv production and 50 on another scv. I doubt the bunker is truely worth it until you reach supply limiatations at which point you probably instead of bunkering up get more ccs to get mules!
Micromachine seems to have a lot of useless/filler APM, its just there for the sake of being there. Mean while Jensii is using unit compositions and not just clicking every unit to a location
Maybe micromachines was trying to crash the computer so he wouldn't have to accept the loss.
Your bot will crash before the game does and you will be given a loss. Happens pretty often on the bot ladder.
I miss AlphaStar.
True
Wasn't Alpha Star thrown onto the ladder?
Same here
This oughta teach the ladder heroes that apm isn't everything.
Its like Micromachine had like batteries at 100% and as the game went on, the batteries started draining and the AI started breaking xd
MicroMachine had a seizure
Check this out! 2V2 BOT VS BOT games. How crazy would that be?
the future of esports ;)
honestly i would like high automation in my games so mostly i just had to do the decision making not all the tidious ofc if you have apm and memba things
That dancing marine at the end was he mocking MM's derping out? 👽
Is there a way I can play with these bot 1v1?? Is there are any zerg bots.
Didn't know this existed (learned on the Stormgate Steam forum where I'm permabanned, haha), have a sub for that 10k.
- Adûnâi
So basically 20000apm that kicks butt and another 120k that breaks the game.
Got it.
makes me wanna go back to my bot creation but i am quite busy with my existing projects (when i am not watching LNG :D )
Would have loved to hear how it went wrong, cool Video
Micromachine blew that game twice 🎉
:sobs in bunker sounds:
I wonder if you debunk the gas income situation how much faster it is?
Clearly some bugged behaviour. Maybe it has something to to with latency due to high load. There were some intense battles which might have simply overload the processor. Maybe some scripts were timely based on another and got out of sync because of it. I hope the developer of Microbot finds a fix!
i dont know anything about starcraft but i like bots
+150k apm!! :O
and that's what caused its demise.
players when 100 000% of expected input to the game causes it to behave unpredictably.. "hmm, sad this game is so buggy"
Just share this video to the MicroMachine Bot creators maybe they can fix the error/bugs. Cuz I'm actually intrigued what 110K to 160K APM will actually do once all greased and polished up! It prolly is just a check fix to see if selected that it doesn't need to reselect unless taking new territory or running away from enemy, I'm sure it's a simple quick fix.
Poor micromachine
100 likes is the new standard
More bots 😊😊😊
The ai seems to have access to hidden information so this is all kinda BS.
The point is to make the AI respond to imperfect information.
I don’t believe they do
@@LaughNgamez the Ai is literally doing calculations based on enemy army supply in the chat. This would be hidden information to a human. The bot gets it from a function call
@@alext5497 Where do they get the enemy army supply unless I'm mistaken they don't have that info
suuuure, 2 000 actions per sec....suuuuure
the real deciding factor there was the upgrade management. JensiiiBot had a commanding lead of upgrades the whole game, it almost cost it the game there in the middle when it first started investing in them and MM started to sweep the map but it held on just long enough to get it's army supply back up and it was over after that.
Nah, the upgrades had nothing to do with JensiiiBot winning. It was being crushed by MicroMachine and won only because MM wasn't able to fight back once SC2 started to bug out (see my other comments).
@@BlindMidget idk, the glitching certainly played a part but I don't think it's a coincidence that everything turned around right as the upgraid gap took off.
Second !
first !
Ok, someone shoul make this service. Evry like at this comment, is equal to a dislake at the video.
Dislike button.