This series is a mixed of awesomeness and depression. Awesome because of the points Schleg makes and depression because wrestling is complete dead when you think about it.
I agree with this completely! WHO'S THE TRUE FUCKING MARKS? Jim Cornette once said that Dutch Mantell (Zeb Colter) had one of the best lines in wrestling, "I like the business a lot better when the marks are out front in the seats." The true marks in the wrestling business, sometimes, are the fuckers in the damn ring.
Dirt sheets and spoilers are not a major part of the blame, because even if you know whats going to happen, if its compelling or interesting people will still get into it, just ask Tony Schiavone.
Regis Rodriguez I agree, as causal fans don't go out of their way to track down dirt sheets. Only hardcore fans do that. Many of those hardcore fans aren't even smarks. Though I will say that reading dirt sheets does take the fun out of wrestling and causes you to over analyze a bunch of shit that doesn't really matter. Which is why I stopped reading them. Most of those that try to pass themselves off as legitimate news are bullshit anyways.
I think it's a mixed bag. Clearly there's people behind the scenes that don't know what many fans want. But on the other end of that, there's many fans who don't know what they want themselves. Internet fans change their minds all the time, I don't think many of them have a true idea of what they actually want from WWE and that's why it's so much easier for them to never be happy, bitch and complain and treat wrestling with so much disrespect. They ruin the business just as much as writers and bookers do.
The internet has been a blessing and a curse for the wrestling business. Blessing because you have a way of expressing your view of everything and you have the opportunity to look at other companies that are not seen directly on tv. You also have a way to showcase other things like blogs, video game Caws, and other things. Curse: Dirthsheets, spoilers, pirating, downloading past ppvs and matches. Over criticizing the business using blogs and websites to the fact they have become obsess with it and it's causing the companies to adjust by it and it's only made things worse. The business has become too electronically. I think they need to stop acknowledging social websites during tv shows, because it's causing companies not to advertise properly and promote their stars. If your having a show in a local area and you're posting flyers more on facebook than the nearest places where your show is going to take place is a horrible way to market your product. If you're having a show in some country bumpkin town in Mississippi what good is it for people who live in Boston or Portland?
The WWE is likely killing their product to keep the industry manageable and never allow any real competition. Vince fears nothing more than another wcw. It is why cena will remain on top, he is a 'WWE lifer'.
Dial up didn't allow ppl to get information as fast as cable internet so early 2000s is where it started to decline. A business based on kayfabe is hard to succeed when people blatantly undermine the story lines by spoiling all the behind the scenes stuff.
People say we killed it cause we put out spoilers they say we're spoiled too all the wrestling history and think we know the inner workings of it and know when somethin a shoot or work or real. and choose to boo babies and cheer heelz
I'm surprised you didn't single out all of the bull Matt Morgan used to do and shit he would talk about fans and their criticism. But I agree, I think they're just blaming us for their debacles they've created. Now I can't wait for tomorrow's vid.
Names that played a part in ruining Pro Wrestling: Hulk Hogan(not putting over people, his part in the end of WCW, Starrcade 97, not passing the torch to Bret Hart at SS 93, TNA. Eric Bishoff & Vince Russo; WCW & Part of TNA, HHH; Burying people, hogging the spotlight, making himself "Better then everyone else". John Cena; still can't get the crowd behing him, still can't cut great promos, only attracts 1 group of people for those who wanna say the girls how many hot girls do you see in the crowd nun. Stephanie McMahon; everything that was said in the vid. Dusty Rhodes; Dusty finishes and hurting the JCP. Jeff Jarrett; the potential of TNA Dixie Carter; how she ran/runs TNA and most of all Vince McMahon; he lets this shit on WWE go on he has no1 to blame but himself.
It is amazing how he never mentioned HULK HOGAN as one of the people who killed wrestling..schlegdaddy look at how he buried WCW and he didn't do anything in TNA...
i feel like if people within the business insist on calling us fans who understand what we like and don't like as 'marks' we need to turn that completely around. i feel like wrestlers should STRIVE to make us INTO marks. ultimately if i don't believe in your product, i'm not buying into it. and if i'm not buying into it, they're not going to be successful. #proudtomarkout
I can only speak for myself but I am sick of watching a wrestling show or PPV and liking it then having a bunch of smartmarks playing debbie downer and telling me why I shouldn't.Plus if I had a son I don't know if I would want to take him to a WWE show because if I did and he said LETS GO CENA some grown 500 pound man would be trying to shout him down with CENA SUCKS.
Whats wrong with complaining about things you don't like? Aren't fans allowed to chant what they want? I fail to see what a mans weight has t do with anything.
craigh257 Nothing wrong with complaining about something you don't like but there needs a understanding that others mite like it.If you don't like chocolate cake does that mean no one should ever make a chocolate cake again.Really you can't understand why a 500 pound grown man trying to shout down a 80 pound 8 year old is a problem.
TheSaveme1 you do have a point, but there was a time when almost everybody liked Cena, that was until they started shoving him down our throats. I'd chant Cena sucks not because i have a problem with him or his fans, I'd do it because apparently thats the only way the people on top can know that we've had enough ! There have always been "kid friendly" wrestlers out there and most older fans would just be indifferent, but when the same Cena has been in the same position for so many years i think we can be excused for voicing our opinions
Also something else is pretty stupid you have people in the YWC making videos and calling other people marks but when in turn they are the bigger mark for making fucking wrestling videos o. UA-cam
but the internet has help ruin wrestling dirt sheets spoilers all of that have help kill wrestling you have to include everything not just pick and choose cause its easyer people like otrs doesn't ruined things for people just saying
If dirtsheets and spoilers are so bad... why did so many people change channels (many permanently) when Tony S announced that Mick Foley was going to win the world championship and include "That will put a lot of butts in the seats! HA!" If the show is good fans aren't going to care about knowing spoilers.
You make a point sad part is hhh even said him self he dont care about the Internet geeks. HUMBUG said his self the only reason why punk and bryan is over with the crowd because of thier indy days if dolph was in the same boot he be over his self bit saldy that not the case. Only people who over in today pro wrestling is John cena Randy orton HHH Other then that no one else hell not even sheamus over after that 18 sec bullshit he lucky fans still cheer him and ADR is so done for, big show not the same since 2002 Stars that could have been big Christian Carltio Mvp R truth Shelton Benjamin Chris master after his improvement Rey mysterio RVD Jeff hardy Muhammad hassan Tajiri (yes I know he still could been better) Chavo Guerrero (same with Tajiri) Gail kim Matt hardy Goldust Cody rhodes Umaga Bobby lashley Hell even santino marella deserve betyer Wade barrent Ryback Zack ryder Dolph ziggler Jack swagger Ect Each had some type of talent but never fully had a chance tk shine in wwe. The only way someone get over in wwe rhey have to have some type of experience where hardcord fans can like you
This series is a mixed of awesomeness and depression. Awesome because of the points Schleg makes and depression because wrestling is complete dead when you think about it.
I agree with this completely! WHO'S THE TRUE FUCKING MARKS? Jim Cornette once said that Dutch Mantell (Zeb Colter) had one of the best lines in wrestling, "I like the business a lot better when the marks are out front in the seats." The true marks in the wrestling business, sometimes, are the fuckers in the damn ring.
Dirt sheets and spoilers are not a major part of the blame, because even if you know whats going to happen, if its compelling or interesting people will still get into it, just ask Tony Schiavone.
and who feeds the dirt sheets all these spoilers ? people in the wrestling business
thuglord007 Very True
Regis Rodriguez I agree, as causal fans don't go out of their way to track down dirt sheets. Only hardcore fans do that. Many of those hardcore fans aren't even smarks. Though I will say that reading dirt sheets does take the fun out of wrestling and causes you to over analyze a bunch of shit that doesn't really matter. Which is why I stopped reading them.
Most of those that try to pass themselves off as legitimate news are bullshit anyways.
I think it's a mixed bag. Clearly there's people behind the scenes that don't know what many fans want. But on the other end of that, there's many fans who don't know what they want themselves. Internet fans change their minds all the time, I don't think many of them have a true idea of what they actually want from WWE and that's why it's so much easier for them to never be happy, bitch and complain and treat wrestling with so much disrespect. They ruin the business just as much as writers and bookers do.
this video was just perfect every point you made was spot on
The internet has been a blessing and a curse for the wrestling business. Blessing because you have a way of expressing your view of everything and you have the opportunity to look at other companies that are not seen directly on tv. You also have a way to showcase other things like blogs, video game Caws, and other things.
Curse: Dirthsheets, spoilers, pirating, downloading past ppvs and matches. Over criticizing the business using blogs and websites to the fact they have become obsess with it and it's causing the companies to adjust by it and it's only made things worse.
The business has become too electronically. I think they need to stop acknowledging social websites during tv shows, because it's causing companies not to advertise properly and promote their stars. If your having a show in a local area and you're posting flyers more on facebook than the nearest places where your show is going to take place is a horrible way to market your product. If you're having a show in some country bumpkin town in Mississippi what good is it for people who live in Boston or Portland?
The WWE is likely killing their product to keep the industry manageable and never allow any real competition. Vince fears nothing more than another wcw. It is why cena will remain on top, he is a 'WWE lifer'.
Good stuff, dude. Your vids seem to be getting better, with your doing more of them.
I completely agree with what you said about ziggler.
18:00 it’s even worse now
Great video, wish more people within the business would take the media to task and stop bitching so much about us fans
Holy mother of shit. I absolutely love every single word you've said.
Kevin Nash mentioning repeatedly how he's not a mark and the finger poke of doom makes me think he has some contempt for the audience.
Dial up didn't allow ppl to get information as fast as cable internet so early 2000s is where it started to decline. A business based on kayfabe is hard to succeed when people blatantly undermine the story lines by spoiling all the behind the scenes stuff.
Wrestling is a dying entertainment. Can we just face that.
People say we killed it cause we put out spoilers they say we're spoiled too all the wrestling history and think we know the inner workings of it and know when somethin a shoot or work or real. and choose to boo babies and cheer heelz
RIP Patrice O'Neal
I'm surprised you didn't single out all of the bull Matt Morgan used to do and shit he would talk about fans and their criticism. But I agree, I think they're just blaming us for their debacles they've created. Now I can't wait for tomorrow's vid.
Amen. Great video.
All the wwe has been is trolling us flat out
PREACH BROTHER... PREACH!!!!!
Names that played a part in ruining Pro Wrestling: Hulk Hogan(not putting over people, his part in the end of WCW, Starrcade 97, not passing the torch to Bret Hart at SS 93, TNA.
Eric Bishoff & Vince Russo; WCW & Part of TNA,
HHH; Burying people, hogging the spotlight, making himself "Better then everyone else".
John Cena; still can't get the crowd behing him, still can't cut great promos, only attracts 1 group of people for those who wanna say the girls how many hot girls do you see in the crowd nun.
Stephanie McMahon; everything that was said in the vid.
Dusty Rhodes; Dusty finishes and hurting the JCP.
Jeff Jarrett; the potential of TNA
Dixie Carter; how she ran/runs TNA
and most of all Vince McMahon; he lets this shit on WWE go on he has no1 to blame but himself.
I would put HBK in there as well
+How come
TheWrestlingCrisis How come
lol I accidently put it twice
diesel101raw His backstage politics
It is amazing how he never mentioned HULK HOGAN as one of the people who killed wrestling..schlegdaddy look at how he buried WCW and he didn't do anything in TNA...
although he never mentioned it here he always talks about how the finger poke of doom was one of the things that killed the business
i feel like if people within the business insist on calling us fans who understand what we like and don't like as 'marks' we need to turn that completely around. i feel like wrestlers should STRIVE to make us INTO marks. ultimately if i don't believe in your product, i'm not buying into it. and if i'm not buying into it, they're not going to be successful. #proudtomarkout
I can only speak for myself but I am sick of watching a wrestling show or PPV and liking it then having a bunch of smartmarks playing debbie downer and telling me why I shouldn't.Plus if I had a son I don't know if I would want to take him to a WWE show because if I did and he said LETS GO CENA some grown 500 pound man would be trying to shout him down with CENA SUCKS.
Whats wrong with complaining about things you don't like? Aren't fans allowed to chant what they want? I fail to see what a mans weight has t do with anything.
craigh257 Nothing wrong with complaining about something you don't like but there needs a understanding that others mite like it.If you don't like chocolate cake does that mean no one should ever make a chocolate cake again.Really you can't understand why a 500 pound grown man trying to shout down a 80 pound 8 year old is a problem.
TheSaveme1 you do have a point, but there was a time when almost everybody liked Cena, that was until they started shoving him down our throats. I'd chant Cena sucks not because i have a problem with him or his fans, I'd do it because apparently thats the only way the people on top can know that we've had enough ! There have always been "kid friendly" wrestlers out there and most older fans would just be indifferent, but when the same Cena has been in the same position for so many years i think we can be excused for voicing our opinions
Also something else is pretty stupid you have people in the YWC making videos and calling other people marks but when in turn they are the bigger mark for making fucking wrestling videos o. UA-cam
Don't you also here when people in the YWC make videos and call such and such a Mark when in they are the bigger Mark the make videos about wrestling
and doesnt watching and commenting on these videos make you a mark as well ?
good video
They're just a bunch a men in speedos after all. A lot of wrestlers got egos though on a serious note.
but the internet has help ruin wrestling dirt sheets spoilers all of that have help kill wrestling you have to include everything not just pick and choose cause its easyer people like otrs doesn't ruined things for people just saying
who feeds rumors and info to the dirt sheets?
If dirtsheets and spoilers are so bad... why did so many people change channels (many permanently) when Tony S announced that Mick Foley was going to win the world championship and include "That will put a lot of butts in the seats! HA!"
If the show is good fans aren't going to care about knowing spoilers.
You make a point sad part is hhh even said him self he dont care about the Internet geeks. HUMBUG said his self the only reason why punk and bryan is over with the crowd because of thier indy days if dolph was in the same boot he be over his self bit saldy that not the case.
Only people who over in today pro wrestling is
John cena
Randy orton
HHH
Other then that no one else hell not even sheamus over after that 18 sec bullshit he lucky fans still cheer him and ADR is so done for, big show not the same since 2002
Stars that could have been big
Christian
Carltio
Mvp
R truth
Shelton Benjamin
Chris master after his improvement
Rey mysterio
RVD
Jeff hardy
Muhammad hassan
Tajiri (yes I know he still could been better)
Chavo Guerrero (same with Tajiri)
Gail kim
Matt hardy
Goldust
Cody rhodes
Umaga
Bobby lashley
Hell even santino marella deserve betyer
Wade barrent
Ryback
Zack ryder
Dolph ziggler
Jack swagger
Ect
Each had some type of talent but never fully had a chance tk shine in wwe. The only way someone get over in wwe rhey have to have some type of experience where hardcord fans can like you
WWE just need to get rid of Daniel Bryan. #WWEGetRidOfDanielBryan