He speaks the truth. This is why wrestling sucks, work rate has been valued higher than storytelling and psychology. Further more, back in the day I remember everyone having fun and imitating wrestlers. Austin, rock, hogan, warrior, Savage, jericho, foley etc. Who can you imitate in this current era of wrestlers? Nobody. How do you imitate rollins, reigns, ambrose, AJ styles? There are no main event guys that have that connection with the fans anymore.
Wrestling sucks today because: -No larger than life characters -WWE -No real storytelling that has continuity -promo's are god AWFUL -Too much product everywhere -No consequence to anything anymore
A huge part of what attracted me to the WWF as it was then when I was a kid was these larger than life OTT characters that at the time I didn't think of as characters but I remember just being so mesmerised by guys like The Undertaker,The Big Bossman,The Ultimate Warrior The Legion of Doom etc etc etc and those awesome names whereas now we have for the most part just ordinary sounding names like everyday people in real life using either their real names or real sounding names it is amazing how things change
I never really thought of you as a muscle mark, more of someone who appreciates actual talent. Wrestlers, Managers, and Valets that was unique or had a semblance of an identity. Honestly I stopped watching a couple years back, because everyone feels the same. You're right when you say that not every wrestler should look and feel the same with a similar size. Their shouldn't be guys I legit see as a joke and people I can go toe to toe with when I'm 6'1 175 LB.
I've given up trying to wrestle the stupidity Schlegdaddy. Too many people have illogical viewpoints on certain things in wrestling. And they'll stick to those viewpoints with passion. It's impossible to fight the stupidity with logic.
I've never considered you a muscle mark, but by the same token you do label much of your audience as indy marks haphazardly, and both assumptions are lazy generalizations.
The ruthless aggression era from 2002-2008 in my opinion was the best because it had a combination of fun characters with interesting gimmick, cool storylines, and great in ring ability. The wrestlers of today have better in ring ability than the ones in the past but they are suffering from poor booking and a lack of character development.
I know for a fact I'm going to get hate for this. But here's my biggest issue with the WWE. If we have such a problem with no characters, why do we praise guys like Zayn? The guy has no character. Think of Rey Mysterio. The guy wasn't that big so his underdog gimmick worked. Also because there was not a lot of small dudes on the roster. As for Dolph Ziggler, he could've been the next Mr Perfect. The guy has that heel charisma that showed better when he was a heel. But the shit 'Show off' gimmick killed him. Also the bi polar booking. Now I like guys like Rollins, Miz and Ambrose. Why? Those guys have some sort of characters. Rollins when he was a heel. He could've been a top baby face but of course they failed that because they do and couldn't figure out to just turn him face when he returned. Miz was great all round. Loved his 'I'm awesome' gimmick. His main event push to Wrestlemania failed because he was the third wheel in Cena and Rock. Ambrose always had fan support and could've been a top guy but of course WWE fucks it up.
the part about variety needing to be in WWE is spot on. Not everyone on the roster need to be a technical wrestler. Smarks are turning WWE into an indyfest. I recently watched an episode of RAW from 04 and the women on that show had a limbo contest and Lita and Trish main evented. They showed we can have both why is it such a problem now?
Jeff, you know that these comments that you are a muscle mark are complete BS! BUT i am really worried, how things are going in pro-wrestling over the last years, because this "Indy - High Spot - no Character - no selling & no storytelling Style" has not only arrived in the minds of a lot of us wrestling Fans, it has arrived in the WWE itself. And if the WWE gives these loud & vocal Fans more what they want, i think the Product will go down more and more. Like you Jeff, i also watched all "Modern Eras" of pro-wrestling, and it looks to me that the WWE, the talent and us Fans are on a way back to the days of the WWWF and the Territory Era (in HD), but without other big Territories like the NWA, AWA etc.and without the talent of these Eras. Like then, it looks like Wrestling stays in that bubble, and nobody cares about Wrestling anymore. BUT the ones like you, who do, get Twitter blocked by Wrestlers - or get shitted on by other Fans, oohh you're a muscle mark or other shit. But Jeff, Wrestling should be Fun again, the Hope dies last!!
Schleggdaddy, this is the internet. How do you not expect a complete lack of maturity and/or blatant hypocrisy? Granted I know we all have to deal with that shit in real life, too, but the internet amplifies it out of sheer numbers.
In an older video you put it really well, you had Smokey give his support for Daniel Bryan right before he got his monster push...you and Smokey caused the Yes Movement! So anybody who labels you a muscle mark is clearly missing that tidbit of information! But on a more serious note, the issue is the lack of characters. Bigger guys typically get a character and it's easy so they can excel at it. Take Strowman for instance, in character all he has to do is be big and scary and he's doing a good job. Same thing with Nia Jax. Now a guy like Zayn comes on the roster and what is his character? The plucky underdog? Well that'd be fine if literally 80% of the roster wasn't his size. In the past when you had this character the guys around them were bigger so it actually made sense, now it doesn't. Notice when they start getting some character the fans immediately get behind the guys again. I think half of the "kicky flippy fans" agree with you they just don't realize it yet
Billy Barnett MMA came from pro wrestling. The aspects of sport and theater in pro wrestling were seperated in the 1920's and wrestling focused more on the theater ever since. I think its gonna be reverse now going from theater to sport back to its original roots. That's why I think MMA is the future or could be the future if WWE accepts that.
I miss when they emphasized his mat wrestling background more and it was more incorporated into his move set. The handful of matches I've seen of him since I stopped watching in 2014 just seems like he's trying to be great value Shawn Michaels
It's not a coincidence that the two biggest and most successful periods featured the jacked up dudes like Hogan warrior etc or aeesome characters like rock Austin Foley Kane taker etc. and furthermore it's not a coincidence that wwes ratings are the worst in 20 years featuring the smaller guys like Rollins and ziggler and Ambrose when 20 years ago you had bret and Shawn at the top. granted bret wasn't doing all the flips and kicks but nonetheless my point still stands
It's more about how well they are booked and pushed. Ambrose is not a small guy and is actually taller than Bret or HBK. The dude has tons of heel charisma but WWE has kept him as a generic babyface for like 2 years.
One reason why many talents today are boring manlet nerds is every tough guy today goes to ufc or somewhere else. Wwe is not that edgy and popular anymore.
I actually think it's a horrible reflection on the performer if after seven years on the indy scene, you can't cut a decent promo or even develop a character. It's like Actors who've been doing movies all their lives and aren't even good.
I agree with alot of what you say, essentially you like what you like and people will try to label you. Whenever I say I preferred Bret Hart to Michaels everyone instantly assumes I also loved Dean Malenko, but I don't I found him boring I don't think you are a muscle mark but do feel like you at times just like to troll your viewers
3 People to blame for the things you touched on in this Video 1. Ric Flair and his stupid shoot interviews 2. WWE for overscripting everything making it easy on character-less no personality having vanilla idiots, and hard for those who actually do have charisma and personality. 3. Dave Meltzer 5 STARS 💦💦
No Chill You name me people on the roster who have personality and charisma. I can name you three that don't. Roman Reigns(if you try to deny it......) Sami Zayn Anyone not named Neville on 205.
@@adampalomino6838 You called it with Neville. 2 years later, "Pac" is out here as the "Bastard", cutting great promos and being so incredible away from WWE.
to me I love independent wrestling and the performers but I do think once u hit the big leagues which is WWE u need to get a character maybe not a corny cartoon character that doesn't work cus it doesn't but a character that people can relate to like an Austin or a Brian Pillman type. I like my wrestling and all but I also want guys with personality and there are some guys on the roster who have personality (Enzo, Owens, Cass, Big E, Kofi, Seth(as a heel), Dean, AJ, Braun and Rusev) but those guys don't even come close to guys like Austin, Rock, Jericho, HBK, Macho Man, Piper, Dusty, Eddie and Edge in terms of personality and its sad. I don't hate what wrestling has become BC there is a lot of talent but it definitely needs some fixing they need to utilize their performers better like get a better understanding of who they are as a person and go for it.
I agree with a lot of things you said Jeff, there is definitely something missing in pro wrestling today. Wrestling characters are very bland and it seems that no wrestler today can measure up to those of the past. In my opinion though I really do believe that there are a few who have great potential. Indy or not Indy aside, Finn Balor has great potential. I think he is much more than just an entrance and flashy appearance. He hasn't really had a run on the main roster yet due to his injury so we need to give him a fair shot first. I also think that shinsuke nakamura has a certain kind of presence and great charisma. He is also original and unique. We can only speculate how WWE will utilize him. I will say that I see a lot of potential in Roman Reigns as a heel as well. As hard as it is, you need to try to keep an open mind.
Love the video man. I feel you on the needing more story telling in the WWE. But I was thinking about how maybe the reason wrestlers tend to do more flips and kicks to try an tear the house down is booking. Think about it WWE is heavily scripted and the talents hands are probably tied a lot of the time. So maybe do to the 50/50 and poor booking it's sometimes all the talent can do to shine. I do feel you WWE needs better star power but I think it is more a booking issue than a talent issue. But I could be wrong. I do think a big reason you don't see guys as jacked in wrestling as much is do to the steroid bubble bursting and the wellness program. Anyways I like watching your take and views on wrestling. Keep em coming
I think that u r open-minded and fair but the product going downhill has made u a bit jaded. U don't mark for muscle guys but sometimes u come across as anti when u claim that Sami Zayn sucks. I can understand your dislike of Ziggler but Zayn has shown that he is a quality performer and not b/c of flips and kicks. A lot of ppl don't like Kevin Owens' body type but he's a great performer and not b/c of flips and kicks.
Your criticism of Daniel Bryan is ridiculous. He definitely deserved WM 30 built around him as he was WHITE HOT. It's not fair of you to say it didn't work because of the fact that he got hurt. They still chant YES all over the country in sports events because of that run 3 years ago.... don't be foolish.
I always despise that criticism about being "muscle mark" that's not the point when I have useless arguments over these white knights online... anybody can be a wrestler big or small but only a few need to have star power, character, and popularity hell even outside of Wrestling if that is possible but a majority they're just jobbers same Gimmicks, same Wrestling style and same story which these white knights still don't see...
I guess my question is how would you restructure the WWE roster? This could be an interesting topic. How would you fix WWE serious video would be interesting.
Schlegdaddy hates the indie wrestlers. My reaction: "Oh yeah because he absolutely HATES guys like Cesaro, AJ Styles, and Kevin Owens". Schlegdaddy is a muscle mark: My reaction: "Oh yeah because he absolutely LOVES guys like Brock Lesnar, Braun Strowman, and Big Show". Facepalm/shaking my damn head.
Papaya Dark Yes, but i think that they going to slowly build up moose without a title so that why when he faces Lashley down the line that it will be more of surprise.
enzo= great on the mic takes a great ass kicking but cannot wrestle and dont want too see him in 205 big cass= has potential but the worst of the big men in the wwe braun strowman=booked great hopefully doesnt get fed to reigns and turns into rusev luke harper=getting his time to shine on smackdown i like it corbin=potential but missing something to get at the mountain top aj styles=best wrestler in the world period seth=should of been a babyface when he returned, wwe dropped the ball reigns=should be a heel poorly booked bad mic skills sami zayne= is he marketable no, can he be beloved yes, can he have a great match yep dean=austin hurt his momentum in the podcast finn balor= top 3 babyfaces and can sell merch, dont want to see him v taker like the smarks want rusev=talent, can he be a main eventer, alot of competition samoa joe=booked great, hopefully we get him to face cena and lesnar goldberg=the most over babyface in the wwe right now, blame wwe booking the millennials lesnar=one word money, now he needs to do more moves because hes an attraction new day=big e has the potential to go all the way and can be booked like reigns (corny jokes) i dont about the superman comeback and succeed, xavier woods would excel in 205, kofi could be dolph dolph= needs to bow out, wwe have nothing for him 205 live= neville and gallagher i like the rest bore not their fault its wwe booking they dont stand out
it's more due to the fact that you are an iwc hipster who seems to want to to go against what you think the popular opinion of the iwc is just so can convince yourself that you are smarter than them. The problem is this is happening eveverywhere in pretty much ever other form of entertainment. It was become cool to hate what is perceived as popular. Key word being perceived. I never understood why iwc hipster types go on about Internet darlings because there is no such thing whenever a wrestler starts to become popular the iwc turn on them. It has also become cool to trash smarks and indie wresting just look at the comments here. I have lost count of the amount of times I have defended so called internet darlings. People want to convince themselves that they are individuals who are not afraid to go against popular opinion. Even thought their opinion is now the popular one. The whole indie loving smark thing is a myth. Many in the iwc go out of there way to not be thought of as that and become pretty smug about it.
The saddest part is that you have lots of source material to work with, but they just can't. Ambrose is a Lunatic? Show us then!! Don't just call him that, make us see him as a lunatic. I only saw that one time: When Lesnar was beating the shit out of him and he kept coming back up and trash-talking him. Other than that, just another dude. Bobby Roode has a nice character, Jericho as well, but character potential is huge in guys like Wyatt, Orton, Ambrose, Reigns, The Club is huge, they just can't write
Your so right Jeff I don't get why people like Sami zyan and Dolph Ziggler hahahah and tj Perkins Dosnet even deserve a mention .... I like balor and Rollins but completely get your criticism of them completely but there the best of a bad bunch
I think that the best way to realise how bad is wrestling in general today is hear what a childs want to do after watching a match. Back in the day thay want to beat the evil guy, now they want to lear to do senseless backflips
I KNOW you didn't just say that you liked Apollo Crews right AFTER talking smack about who you thought was boring on the main roster XD Gtfo. Stop. Stop it. Just...stop it. Crews is literally one of the most generic athletes on Smackdown right now. And I happily welcome those who disagree with this to respond ^_^
If you don't like psycho Sid your a sad sad waste of space. Just look at how many guys today do suicide dives.......exactly the type of crap that is wrong with wrestling today
Jeff, there's no need to explain yourself to people. You have an opinion just like everyone else. If they like what you say....great. If they don't then they should just keep it moving. That's the problem with social media. People get offended too easily and want to attack you for your opinions. If I don't like what a person says, I'll respect their opinion and keep it moving. People love Shawn Michaels. I can't stand the dude. Never saw what others see in him. I liked his tag team partner Marty Jannety better. If you love Michaels...great; however, if I were to come on here and say that fool was overrated, people would be caught up in their feelings. Keep up the good work, Jeff and remember....you're always welcomed to the cookouts. lol
So you like Rusev & hopes he can be redeemed but then shit on someone like Bray Wyatt for being redeemed? Rusev, who also lost to Cena at a Wrestlemania & ended up jobbing in League of Nations the following Mania to the New Day? The same Rusev who has been booked horrible for over a year with love storylines left & right with Lana? What a hypocrite. LMAO You like nothing about the current product. Just take a year off & come back.
Petar Gulin HA. Totally not because he debuted and took out the biggest star in the company and looked like he belonged, being the best guy on the mic on Raw that's not a part timer, a beast in the ring that makes it look believable... idiot
Watched the entire vid, here is your big issue, you have your opinion on wrestling and that's it. If wrestling isn't what you want it to be it's shit. Just stop watching wrestling and stop talking about it, you are the very definition of wwe mark. You know NOTHING outside of the wwe world. You only know such things when they cross paths with wwe. So no, I'm not the idiot here, you are. I am willing to see your viewpoint, but when people call you out and say you are biased and or too negative, just responding with "you're a fucking idiot" doesn't cut it. So learn to adapt with the changing times, the wrestling business is not what it once was. Is that bad? Some people will say yes, some people will say no. You will shit on anybody defending Indy wrestling though, and act like the wwe is the end all be all of wrestling.
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He speaks the truth. This is why wrestling sucks, work rate has been valued higher than storytelling and psychology.
Further more, back in the day I remember everyone having fun and imitating wrestlers. Austin, rock, hogan, warrior, Savage, jericho, foley etc. Who can you imitate in this current era of wrestlers? Nobody. How do you imitate rollins, reigns, ambrose, AJ styles? There are no main event guys that have that connection with the fans anymore.
KilluaXGodspeed X I've seen kids imitate Reigns, Cena and Orton that's about it
KilluaXGodspeed X You can actually imitate/impersonate AJ Styles. Nikki Bella did it in one of her youtube videos a few weeks ago.
Yet CZW is as irrelevant since it's existence in 1999.
I'm an indie hating muscle mark and proud of it.
Wrestling sucks today because:
-No larger than life characters
-WWE
-No real storytelling that has continuity
-promo's are god AWFUL
-Too much product everywhere
-No consequence to anything anymore
A huge part of what attracted me to the WWF as it was then when I was a kid was these larger than life OTT characters that at the time I didn't think of as characters but I remember just being so mesmerised by guys like The Undertaker,The Big Bossman,The Ultimate Warrior The Legion of Doom etc etc etc and those awesome names whereas now we have for the most part just ordinary sounding names like everyday people in real life using either their real names or real sounding names it is amazing how things change
I never really thought of you as a muscle mark, more of someone who appreciates actual talent. Wrestlers, Managers, and Valets that was unique or had a semblance of an identity. Honestly I stopped watching a couple years back, because everyone feels the same. You're right when you say that not every wrestler should look and feel the same with a similar size. Their shouldn't be guys I legit see as a joke and people I can go toe to toe with when I'm 6'1 175 LB.
I've given up trying to wrestle the stupidity Schlegdaddy. Too many people have illogical viewpoints on certain things in wrestling. And they'll stick to those viewpoints with passion. It's impossible to fight the stupidity with logic.
I've never considered you a muscle mark, but by the same token you do label much of your audience as indy marks haphazardly, and both assumptions are lazy generalizations.
@Doom Guy Yikes!!! Who pissed in your cheerios
The ruthless aggression era from 2002-2008 in my opinion was the best because it had a combination of fun characters with interesting gimmick, cool storylines, and great in ring ability. The wrestlers of today have better in ring ability than the ones in the past but they are suffering from poor booking and a lack of character development.
I know for a fact I'm going to get hate for this. But here's my biggest issue with the WWE. If we have such a problem with no characters, why do we praise guys like Zayn? The guy has no character. Think of Rey Mysterio. The guy wasn't that big so his underdog gimmick worked. Also because there was not a lot of small dudes on the roster. As for Dolph Ziggler, he could've been the next Mr Perfect. The guy has that heel charisma that showed better when he was a heel. But the shit 'Show off' gimmick killed him. Also the bi polar booking. Now I like guys like Rollins, Miz and Ambrose. Why? Those guys have some sort of characters. Rollins when he was a heel. He could've been a top baby face but of course they failed that because they do and couldn't figure out to just turn him face when he returned. Miz was great all round. Loved his 'I'm awesome' gimmick. His main event push to Wrestlemania failed because he was the third wheel in Cena and Rock. Ambrose always had fan support and could've been a top guy but of course WWE fucks it up.
the part about variety needing to be in WWE is spot on. Not everyone on the roster need to be a technical wrestler. Smarks are turning WWE into an indyfest. I recently watched an episode of RAW from 04 and the women on that show had a limbo contest and Lita and Trish main evented. They showed we can have both why is it such a problem now?
A limbo contest? Really?
Jeff, you know that these comments that you are a muscle mark are complete BS! BUT i am really worried, how things are going in pro-wrestling over the last years, because this "Indy - High Spot - no Character - no selling & no storytelling Style" has not only arrived in the minds of a lot of us wrestling Fans, it has arrived in the WWE itself. And if the WWE gives these loud & vocal Fans more what they want, i think the Product will go down more and more.
Like you Jeff, i also watched all "Modern Eras" of pro-wrestling, and it looks to me that the WWE, the talent and us Fans are on a way back to the days of the WWWF and the Territory Era (in HD), but without other big Territories like the NWA, AWA etc.and without the talent of these Eras. Like then, it looks like Wrestling stays in that bubble, and nobody cares about Wrestling anymore. BUT the ones like you, who do, get Twitter blocked by Wrestlers - or get shitted on by other Fans, oohh you're a muscle mark or other shit. But Jeff, Wrestling should be Fun again, the Hope dies last!!
You wrote your comment to the wrong Person, you should check before you do that, it makes you look like a moron..
Schleggdaddy, this is the internet. How do you not expect a complete lack of maturity and/or blatant hypocrisy? Granted I know we all have to deal with that shit in real life, too, but the internet amplifies it out of sheer numbers.
In an older video you put it really well, you had Smokey give his support for Daniel Bryan right before he got his monster push...you and Smokey caused the Yes Movement! So anybody who labels you a muscle mark is clearly missing that tidbit of information!
But on a more serious note, the issue is the lack of characters. Bigger guys typically get a character and it's easy so they can excel at it. Take Strowman for instance, in character all he has to do is be big and scary and he's doing a good job. Same thing with Nia Jax. Now a guy like Zayn comes on the roster and what is his character? The plucky underdog? Well that'd be fine if literally 80% of the roster wasn't his size. In the past when you had this character the guys around them were bigger so it actually made sense, now it doesn't. Notice when they start getting some character the fans immediately get behind the guys again. I think half of the "kicky flippy fans" agree with you they just don't realize it yet
The future of pro wrestling is MMA, that is all.
Well, consider me gone.
Billy Barnett I mean it sucks now why aren't you gone now?
Humberto Duran They actually still have people I like, MMA does nothing for me at all.
Billy Barnett MMA came from pro wrestling. The aspects of sport and theater in pro wrestling were seperated in the 1920's and wrestling focused more on the theater ever since. I think its gonna be reverse now going from theater to sport back to its original roots. That's why I think MMA is the future or could be the future if WWE accepts that.
Humberto Duran I won't accept it, it will be bye bye for me.
Dolf ziggler just needs to stop trying to be shawn michaels.... That's it
You're right, but the standard he set is so mimicked that fans often don't like leaner wrestlers working in any other way.
I miss when they emphasized his mat wrestling background more and it was more incorporated into his move set. The handful of matches I've seen of him since I stopped watching in 2014 just seems like he's trying to be great value Shawn Michaels
It's not a coincidence that the two biggest and most successful periods featured the jacked up dudes like Hogan warrior etc or aeesome characters like rock Austin Foley Kane taker etc. and furthermore it's not a coincidence that wwes ratings are the worst in 20 years featuring the smaller guys like Rollins and ziggler and Ambrose when 20 years ago you had bret and Shawn at the top. granted bret wasn't doing all the flips and kicks but nonetheless my point still stands
Seamus Dillane you can't make the IWC understand that even though your right
It's more about how well they are booked and pushed. Ambrose is not a small guy and is actually taller than Bret or HBK. The dude has tons of heel charisma but WWE has kept him as a generic babyface for like 2 years.
One reason why many talents today are boring manlet nerds is every tough guy today goes to ufc or somewhere else. Wwe is not that edgy and popular anymore.
I actually think it's a horrible reflection on the performer if after seven years on the indy scene, you can't cut a decent promo or even develop a character. It's like Actors who've been doing movies all their lives and aren't even good.
I agree with alot of what you say, essentially you like what you like and people will try to label you. Whenever I say I preferred Bret Hart to Michaels everyone instantly assumes I also loved Dean Malenko, but I don't I found him boring
I don't think you are a muscle mark but do feel like you at times just like to troll your viewers
His viewers troll as well, also how about this? I prefer Owen over Bret.
3 People to blame for the things you touched on in this Video
1. Ric Flair and his stupid shoot interviews
2. WWE for overscripting everything making it easy on character-less no personality having vanilla idiots, and hard for those who actually do have charisma and personality.
3. Dave Meltzer 5 STARS 💦💦
No Chill You name me people on the roster who have personality and charisma. I can name you three that don't.
Roman Reigns(if you try to deny it......)
Sami Zayn
Anyone not named Neville on 205.
@@adampalomino6838 You called it with Neville. 2 years later, "Pac" is out here as the "Bastard", cutting great promos and being so incredible away from WWE.
@@Herset696 I'm really glad for him. He always seemed to be underused as a cruiserweight and now he's getting more for his dedication.
@@adampalomino6838 Yeah, he's awesome. What's your take on Rusev and what's happening with him?
to me I love independent wrestling and the performers but I do think once u hit the big leagues which is WWE u need to get a character maybe not a corny cartoon character that doesn't work cus it doesn't but a character that people can relate to like an Austin or a Brian Pillman type. I like my wrestling and all but I also want guys with personality and there are some guys on the roster who have personality (Enzo, Owens, Cass, Big E, Kofi, Seth(as a heel), Dean, AJ, Braun and Rusev) but those guys don't even come close to guys like Austin, Rock, Jericho, HBK, Macho Man, Piper, Dusty, Eddie and Edge in terms of personality and its sad. I don't hate what wrestling has become BC there is a lot of talent but it definitely needs some fixing they need to utilize their performers better like get a better understanding of who they are as a person and go for it.
I agree with a lot of things you said Jeff, there is definitely something missing in pro wrestling today. Wrestling characters are very bland and it seems that no wrestler today can measure up to those of the past. In my opinion though I really do believe that there are a few who have great potential. Indy or not Indy aside, Finn Balor has great potential. I think he is much more than just an entrance and flashy appearance. He hasn't really had a run on the main roster yet due to his injury so we need to give him a fair shot first. I also think that shinsuke nakamura has a certain kind of presence and great charisma. He is also original and unique. We can only speculate how WWE will utilize him. I will say that I see a lot of potential in Roman Reigns as a heel as well. As hard as it is, you need to try to keep an open mind.
Jeff you're #whitepeopleinvitedtothecookout 👍
Love the video man. I feel you on the needing more story telling in the WWE. But I was thinking about how maybe the reason wrestlers tend to do more flips and kicks to try an tear the house down is booking. Think about it WWE is heavily scripted and the talents hands are probably tied a lot of the time. So maybe do to the 50/50 and poor booking it's sometimes all the talent can do to shine. I do feel you WWE needs better star power but I think it is more a booking issue than a talent issue. But I could be wrong. I do think a big reason you don't see guys as jacked in wrestling as much is do to the steroid bubble bursting and the wellness program. Anyways I like watching your take and views on wrestling. Keep em coming
I think that u r open-minded and fair but the product going downhill has made u a bit jaded. U don't mark for muscle guys but sometimes u come across as anti when u claim that Sami Zayn sucks. I can understand your dislike of Ziggler but Zayn has shown that he is a quality performer and not b/c of flips and kicks. A lot of ppl don't like Kevin Owens' body type but he's a great performer and not b/c of flips and kicks.
Your criticism of Daniel Bryan is ridiculous. He definitely deserved WM 30 built around him as he was WHITE HOT. It's not fair of you to say it didn't work because of the fact that he got hurt. They still chant YES all over the country in sports events because of that run 3 years ago.... don't be foolish.
I always despise that criticism about being "muscle mark" that's not the point when I have useless arguments over these white knights online... anybody can be a wrestler big or small but only a few need to have star power, character, and popularity hell even outside of Wrestling if that is possible but a majority they're just jobbers same Gimmicks, same Wrestling style and same story which these white knights still don't see...
9:16-9:23 Well it took Benoit a few years to get there
Batista should've gone over at Wrestlemania 30, he would've been a crossover World champ. Drax the WWE World champion.
Humberto Duran yes! exactly imagine Batista on the red carpet with the title..The WWE would've made so much money
WWE IS AN INDY FUCK FEST/ I Hate NXT I still like Bryan but Batista is the greater star.
Humberto Duran I never had a problem with Bryan until he main evented mania and absolutely no sold the beating both Batista and Orton gave him
I find NJPW to be extremely overrated.People treat it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I guess my question is how would you restructure the WWE roster? This could be an interesting topic. How would you fix WWE serious video would be interesting.
Schlegdaddy hates the indie wrestlers.
My reaction: "Oh yeah because he absolutely HATES guys like Cesaro, AJ Styles, and Kevin Owens".
Schlegdaddy is a muscle mark:
My reaction: "Oh yeah because he absolutely LOVES guys like Brock Lesnar, Braun Strowman, and Big Show".
Facepalm/shaking my damn head.
Basically you want WWE to be how it used to be. I agree.
Great Video, you make excellent points. I am not very high on the black wrestlers in the WWE, but i love them in the other promotions.
Papaya Dark Yes, i love how they are being booked.
Papaya Dark Yes, but i think that they going to slowly build up moose without a title so that why when he faces Lashley down the line that it will be more of surprise.
Papaya Dark months down the line.
Papaya Dark This a good idea. it's sucks when some stars pushed in the main event scene too fast.
Jay Lethal is one of the best wrestlers of our generation.
enzo= great on the mic takes a great ass kicking but cannot wrestle and dont want too see him in 205
big cass= has potential but the worst of the big men in the wwe
braun strowman=booked great hopefully doesnt get fed to reigns and turns into rusev
luke harper=getting his time to shine on smackdown i like it
corbin=potential but missing something to get at the mountain top
aj styles=best wrestler in the world period
seth=should of been a babyface when he returned, wwe dropped the ball
reigns=should be a heel poorly booked bad mic skills
sami zayne= is he marketable no, can he be beloved yes, can he have a great match yep
dean=austin hurt his momentum in the podcast
finn balor= top 3 babyfaces and can sell merch, dont want to see him v taker like the smarks want
rusev=talent, can he be a main eventer, alot of competition
samoa joe=booked great, hopefully we get him to face cena and lesnar
goldberg=the most over babyface in the wwe right now, blame wwe booking the millennials
lesnar=one word money, now he needs to do more moves because hes an attraction
new day=big e has the potential to go all the way and can be booked like reigns (corny jokes) i dont about the superman comeback and succeed, xavier woods would excel in 205, kofi could be dolph
dolph= needs to bow out, wwe have nothing for him
205 live= neville and gallagher i like the rest bore not their fault its wwe booking they dont stand out
it's more due to the fact that you are an iwc hipster who seems to want to to go against what you think the popular opinion of the iwc is just so can convince yourself that you are smarter than them. The problem is this is happening eveverywhere in pretty much ever other form of entertainment. It was become cool to hate what is perceived as popular. Key word being perceived.
I never understood why iwc hipster types go on about Internet darlings because there is no such thing whenever a wrestler starts to become popular the iwc turn on them. It has also become cool to trash smarks and indie wresting just look at the comments here. I have lost count of the amount of times I have defended so called internet darlings.
People want to convince themselves that they are individuals who are not afraid to go against popular opinion. Even thought their opinion is now the popular one.
The whole indie loving smark thing is a myth. Many in the iwc go out of there way to not be thought of as that and become pretty smug about it.
To be fair Enzo&Cass and The New Day are stale as fuck
not to me. "we got dat kryptonite… "
They still get huge pops
The saddest part is that you have lots of source material to work with, but they just can't. Ambrose is a Lunatic? Show us then!! Don't just call him that, make us see him as a lunatic. I only saw that one time: When Lesnar was beating the shit out of him and he kept coming back up and trash-talking him. Other than that, just another dude. Bobby Roode has a nice character, Jericho as well, but character potential is huge in guys like Wyatt, Orton, Ambrose, Reigns, The Club is huge, they just can't write
were you a fan of Scorpio/ flash funk? Jeff
Jeff keep telling the truth bro.
Your so right Jeff I don't get why people like Sami zyan and Dolph Ziggler hahahah and tj Perkins Dosnet even deserve a mention .... I like balor and Rollins but completely get your criticism of them completely but there the best of a bad bunch
I think that the best way to realise how bad is wrestling in general today is hear what a childs want to do after watching a match. Back in the day thay want to beat the evil guy, now they want to lear to do senseless backflips
I KNOW you didn't just say that you liked Apollo Crews right AFTER talking smack about who you thought was boring on the main roster XD Gtfo. Stop. Stop it. Just...stop it. Crews is literally one of the most generic athletes on Smackdown right now. And I happily welcome those who disagree with this to respond ^_^
If you don't like psycho Sid your a sad sad waste of space.
Just look at how many guys today do suicide dives.......exactly the type of crap that is wrong with wrestling today
You Should say more good things about Baron Corbin.
wwe needs vince russo and broken matt hardy
Jeff, there's no need to explain yourself to people. You have an opinion just like everyone else. If they like what you say....great. If they don't then they should just keep it moving. That's the problem with social media. People get offended too easily and want to attack you for your opinions. If I don't like what a person says, I'll respect their opinion and keep it moving. People love Shawn Michaels. I can't stand the dude. Never saw what others see in him. I liked his tag team partner Marty Jannety better. If you love Michaels...great; however, if I were to come on here and say that fool was overrated, people would be caught up in their feelings. Keep up the good work, Jeff and remember....you're always welcomed to the cookouts. lol
great video
I know this vid is old, but retrospective to 2017, how could you say Sami is fking lame and in the same breathe say you like Apollo Crews?
actually I think punk was making $2 mill a year
People seem to think I'm a muscle cuz of my username
So you like Rusev & hopes he can be redeemed but then shit on someone like Bray Wyatt for being redeemed? Rusev, who also lost to Cena at a Wrestlemania & ended up jobbing in League of Nations the following Mania to the New Day? The same Rusev who has been booked horrible for over a year with love storylines left & right with Lana? What a hypocrite. LMAO
You like nothing about the current product. Just take a year off & come back.
fact of life: Most of wwe fans love Kevin Owens because he is as fat as they are.
Petar Gulin HA. Totally not because he debuted and took out the biggest star in the company and looked like he belonged, being the best guy on the mic on Raw that's not a part timer, a beast in the ring that makes it look believable... idiot
You should just say you like characters and storylines more than The actual wrestling part of the show
Hahahahahhahaahahahhhahaahah hahahahahahaahahahhhahahah muscle mark hhahahahahaahahahhahhaha.Omg..
Watched the entire vid, here is your big issue, you have your opinion on wrestling and that's it. If wrestling isn't what you want it to be it's shit.
Just stop watching wrestling and stop talking about it, you are the very definition of wwe mark. You know NOTHING outside of the wwe world. You only know such things when they cross paths with wwe.
So no, I'm not the idiot here, you are. I am willing to see your viewpoint, but when people call you out and say you are biased and or too negative, just responding with "you're a fucking idiot" doesn't cut it.
So learn to adapt with the changing times, the wrestling business is not what it once was. Is that bad? Some people will say yes, some people will say no. You will shit on anybody defending Indy wrestling though, and act like the wwe is the end all be all of wrestling.
Shinuzi Because Indy wrestling is fucking shite.
Joshua Hillis when was the last time you watched Indy Wrestling ??
ann marie bundy ROH in 2010. When Tyler Black(Seth Rollins) was champion.