I was 12 in 1984 and Michael Jackson was so big back then he was otherworldly. No one in the music business nowadays comes anywhere close to the fame and hype Michael Jackson generated.
@@Superobert67 Time it is to drop the PRIDE and pick up BIBLE - reading and praying aka asking wisdom and understandings. Time to search about FREEMASONRY, to see, who deceive, with what they deceive, why they deceive.
It's true that the Jackson 5 layed the foundation for Michael's success, but he was also the main reason for the success of the Jackson 5 due to his talent and extraordinary charisma. Without Michael the band wouldn't have come as far and it showed later on who the audience was really interested in.
@@HectorLopez-wj4ff I'm reacting to the statement of the brothers that the foundation of Michael's success was layed by the group. My argument is that the group's success was because of Michael's appeal to the audience. Joseph saw that talent very early and quickly replaced Jermaine with Michael as the lead singer. That's when J5 was catapulted into stardom. All of the lead singers you mentioned were the reason of their band's success, because of their unique appeal. Therefore I believe that the brothers could express more appreciation for their brother's contribution to their own fame instead of diminishing him by saying that there would be no Michael Jackson without the Jackson 5.
As a solo artist, Jermaine was NEVER as GREAT as his younger brother, Michael. Jermaine's PROBLEM was that he was always DISTRACTED by WOMEN and SEX instead of staying FOCUSED on his career. Michael, on the other hand, LIVED and BREATHED his career. He gave his ALL to his career----later for women and sex. I'm SURE that Michael ENJOYED himself with WOMEN sometimes, but his JOB came FIRST with him. AS the ULTIMATE PROFESSIONAL, Michael LIVED by the mantra: business before pleasure. Michael didn't let anyone or anything PREVENT him from goin' as FAR as he could in his solo career.
Yeah, I 100% agree, Michael's concentration was on his work, and he worked unbelievably hard whole life. Only after achieving particular points, he allowed himself to have personal life
@JarvisYoung-i3r Jermaine was the first to walk away from his brothers when he married Berry Gordy's daughter and made the decisions to be loyal to the Berry's and not his brothers. That's cold.
I don't think the Jackson 5 would have been as successful without Michael as it was. His voice, movement, and energy were simply amazing, which his brothers didn't even come close to.
You don't think the Jackson 5 would have been successful without Michael? Dumbest statement I've read today. Without Michael, there's no Jackson 5. It's the Jackson 4. Plus, Michael was the biggest thing in the world. Michael was the tour.
After the success of Thriller in 1982, Michael didn't owe his brothers anything and everything he did afterward was a gift.....Thriller catapulted Michael into super stardom that they could not compare to.....he blessed them with his presence with the Victory Tour and let it ALL go after that.....he STILL had mad love for his brothers but felt that he was carrying the load (which he was)......
What a lot of people don't realize is the success of "Thriller" launched MJ into a level of super stardom that very few have reached. The "Victory" album and tour were great, but let's face facts, it's obvious who people wanted to see. It was also difficult for Jermaine and the rest of the Jacksons to be constantly compared to MJ as well, especially when you're trying to venture out on your own. Great video from the detail. Long live the king of pop. 🎉
A few people ? Nobody tripped that level of superstar of Michael Jackson Jesus Christ wasn’t even that famous it took him to be sacrificed after death to be work widely known like MJ
Let's be clear....no one bought tickets to see Jermaine. It was the "Jacksons Victory Tour" but if you asked concert goers the next morning....they'd tell you they went to see MJ last night...
On the actual documentary when fans were asked they were like "we'd do just about anything to see Michael Jackson" every fan that was asked mentioned Michael. That's who everyone came to see definitely not Jermaine or anyone else😂
There’s no need to disrespect Jermaine. He was a star too. The Jacksons, as a group, built a fan base from 1970 through 1984. The groups black fan base followed them closely and with that fan base, the group consistently sold out arenas before MJ dropped Off the Wall. They continued to sell out arena after the 1980 Triumph album and the 1981 Live Album. The success that came in 1983 (after Thriller dropped at the end of 82) brought new fans, younger fans and whiter fans and a larger international fan base. Also, for the record, MJ was closest to Jermaine and Janet.
Michael drove himself...HARD. He had a goal and a determination that was unmatched by his brothers. He was mega-talented but his relentless drive and hard work made him the best in the business. He truly sacrificed himself. None of his brothers did that. Just look at how much better the Bad Tour was than the Victory Tour. It was all HIS. He made all the decisions. I did miss his brothers being on stage with him for the old songs but Bad gave us a taste of what a Thriller Tour could've been.
They were all talented but as you said Michael was driven to succeed and worked hard to this end, even in his younger days when the brothers were out playing basketball while he was in the studios, trying to learn as much as he could. No way was he a " manufactured, over-hyped puppet" as the narrator questioned. I think on the contrary, the key to his massive fame was the fact that he was in control of his music and stage productions, and knew what he was about.
Even in their youth when they first started I always felt Michael was 80% of the group. Jermaine was 10%, Jackie was 5%, and Marlon and Tito equaled 5% together. Michael was the main reason they were successful
The difference between Michael and Jermaine was that this tour was holding Michael's skyrocketed career back. This tour confined Michael's career whereas it was Jermaine's highest point in his career....
I think this tour actually hurt Jermaines career. 1984 -1985 was huge for Jermaine he had several top hits on the US and international charts, and should have stayed on his own and reunited with his brothers much later
How did it hold his career back? Thriller needed to have its own tour and it was ultimately the victory tour. That tour was the best i went to a show at the age of 9 at Dodger Stadium
There were not exactly favorable circumstances around this tour. It is felt that Michael is tense and at times constrained. But the fact that Michael's repertoire and his songs made this show victorious, there is no doubt! Vivat, the king of pop music! Happy Birthday!
Michael was Definitely not stiff. Did you see the show live? You cannot compare this show to any of his later Solo tours but Michael from the beginning to the end was always a perfectionist! VICTORY was EPIC! He grew into a Supernatural PHENOMENON after this tour❤❤❤
Jermaine's jealousy of Michael was well recorded in his song "Word to the Bad" after MJ released his Bad Album. He was always under Mike's shadow and he never got over it.
I wish Michael could tour in 1984 as the solo artist he already was. It would have been the Thriller tour! It probably would have been the most successful tour ever✨️✨️✨️ However Michael paid a huge personal price holding back his passion for touring with his siblings. He is an angel 🖤
I don’t know if he really wanted to tour had it not been for The Jacksons. It’s been said that he really wanted to stop touring after the Triumph tour.
I can only say you are Spot on!!! However, am kinda glad he wasn't apart of The JACKSONS!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ it may have altered what they had perfectly accomplished without him.Still like Jermaine's contribution to the Jackson 5!❤❤❤❤ I Can't say enough how much This Group and their music impacted my life!🎉
It’s no secret that as much as Jermaine loved his brother, he was insanely jealous, not to mention greedy too. I’m a huge Jackson’s fan and absolutely love a lot of Jermaine’s solo work. The allure of Michael’s popularity just unfortunately overshadowed much of the other brothers efforts because it was clearly obvious that MJ was the most talented. Period.
Not only jealous and greedy but a terrible and selfish person - point blank period. I’m sorry any man who sleeps with and has children with his little brothers wife is beyond gross. And by all accounts, he hasn’t been a great father to ANY of his children, he has NEVER been faithful to any wife or girlfriend, he has taken SO MUCH money from his mother and he tried to get his hands on MJs money too and take it from his children and their mother! Truly an awful person.
Man they should’ve just fell back on the “it’s a family thing” angle and let MJ do his thing during that era making it a “Thriller” tour instead of a “Victory” tour. We would’ve gotten so much more from MJ creatively from the tour and maybe even getting an earlier album. At that point his success just usurped the industry, let alone the Jacksons.. They, mainly Jermaine, just wanted to eat off of the success of Thriller and that’s what really drove MJ away from the family it seems like..
I agree they should have Michael do his thing, Jermaine could have just did his own thing. I honestly don’t think Jermaine was pressed to do the tour at the time though. He was pretty hot on the charts at the time
Michael had actually did them a huge favor by recording the victory album and doing the tour. Thriller was still selling and he could’ve easily toured the world and demanded whatever price he wanted and venues would have no problem giving him what he wanted knowing every show would sell out. Us as fans got cheated out of a thriller tour and he tried to make it up to us with BAD (album) tour
In the family, Michael was part of a whole. From a business perspective, The Jackson 5 is a beloved group, however, their day in the sun had past. It could not have escaped Jermaine's attention that Michael had become a star in his own right, and was the show's main attraction.
Michael wanted to pursue his own musical and dance career. He created successfully "Thriller," "Bad," and "Dangerous." Jermaine and his brothers initially dismissed this as worthless and believed he was wasting his time. Michael was driven by a desire to bring his dreams to life and follow his instincts. He was determined to create and actualize his ideas, regardless of others' opinions about his work. Jermaine and his brothers recognized the immense talent of this mega star and couldn't help but feel jealous. They understood that without Michael, who had the genuine, true, and exclusive talent within the band, they couldn't launch successful solo careers. They held him responsible for their inability to establish solo careers or to make an income by continuing with the Jackson 5. Especially Jermaine was jealous, that's why Michael when he thanked his brothers, often said: "Including Jermaine". From the outset of Michael's life, this conditioning and conflict is pretty clear, often exploited by others for financial gain. He financially supported his father and his brothers for child support and various expenses. He served as the primary source of income for his brothers and his father. At one point, he was tired of constantly providing financial support to them. Michael had always been used as a cash cow for other people.
I went to that concert in Atlanta. It was really good. We had seats on the field at the Atlanta Stadium and were so close we could see the sweat beads on their faces.
I heard somewhere that before Michael joined the group, Jermaine was the lead singer. When they found out how talented Mike was and he was placed in the band as another lead singer, I believe Jermaine was crushed and he never got over it.
I believe that’s the root of Michael pain. Jermaine because jealous that one of his youngest brothers was the getting all the attention as well as the talent. He downplayed his stardom until he could no longer control it. I bet he beat up Michael when Joe thought they was asleep or something. So when he got old enough he left them and didn’t look back.
Yeah that's when Michael was a small child, the older brothers formed the group first then Marlon and Michael after Joe and Katherine saw that they had talent as well. That was the Gary Indiana days.
One can only wonder what could've been had Michael gone on a solo Thriller tour instead of a Victory Tour with his brothers. If I'm not mistaken, him not promoting Thriller via a tour due to the Victory Tour resulted in Purple Rain doing extremely well at the Grammys the following year...
Then Michael should have went solo before he did the ‘Thriller’ album. Despite how successful both ‘Off The Wall’ and “Thriller” was, he was still a member of the Jacksons. I don’t think he could have done a solo tour until he actually went solo.
Thriller was still the biggest selling album of the year purple rain was released, despite it's phenomenonal sales. Thriller overshadowed purple rain in sales two years in a row, an album that was released three years ago, and the first album to become the biggest selling album in the US for two straight years
That Victory album cover has always been interesting. From the dove on Randy's shoulder (Which is only on select versions of the album), to Michael being sort of in the background of the line up, and also that Tito has a Jheri Curl, which he never had in real life.
Jermaine Jackson is talented but he isnt a consummate performer ( having supreme mastery or skill) . Michael Jackson was born with a beautiful voice, dance skills, captivating performance abilities, and of course good looks.
Jermaine Jackson played bass guitar, danced, and sanged at the same time. Very hard task to do also he was the band leader I. The beginning phase of the group.
Jermaine was projecting, without the Jackson 5, he would not have had a singing career. Let's face it, while he had a few good tunes, his voice is very weak. He would not have had the opportunities he had without the Jackson name. Michael, however, had an incredible voice. He was instrumental in the Jackson 5's success and proved he had the talent to make it without them.
Come on now. Jermaine has a very, very nice voice. He definitely had the potential to be successful on his own. Maybe not MJ level, but successful enough.
Off the wall era already and.. jermaine is the darkest of the family. Even in the J5 jermaine was darker then Michael. Michael and Marlon are the lightest of the brothers. Marlon even had brown hair instead of dark.
@@nysic1234 Well Michael said one time growing Joe often made fun saying "oh you too dark to be my child you didn't get it from me" and on a side note I always looked at Jackie as being the darkest outta all of em
@@TheUltimateOpportunist will they have been selling out since 2012 what y'all seem to don't understand is that people who grow up with the Jackson 5 love and respect the brothers they loved all of them also the Jackson 5 wasn't only all about Michael they all where celebrity legends and each one of them had fan favorites from Michael to Jermaines to Marlon to randy Tito and Jackie only MJ fans from the bad era and then you have the guilty MJ fans who are fans cause he died they are the ones who hate and despise the brothers and think that they are not worthy people need to stop comparing them to one person because they are not on Michaels leavel every one is different and every one has there own talent out here there was things that they can that Michael couldn't do but real fans die hard fans that grow up with j5 love and respect the brothers and they still touring to this day and all kinds of fans young old black and white come together and have a good time it's all positive vibes and environment and is a good tribute to Michael of all the people In the world to do tribute to him and keeping his legacy alive is where he started from and they helped created and built his platform and legacy why is it a crime that his brothers doing a tribute they start buy when other people do it it's ok Michael didn't started or was selfmade millionaire own his own with out God Joeseph Kathrine and Tito playing his fathers guitar there would not be no j5 the Jacksons and with out the j5/ Jacksons there wouldn't be not Michael solo or Janet career period
@@damienlomax1946 no disrespect, but I ain't reading all of that. My point wasn't to insult the Jacksons, I was simply explaining the difference. Have a good day.
Watching this was embarrassing. Jermaine's career was ridiculous. By the way, the Jacksons 5 would never have been successful if it weren't for Michael. The truth is that Michael carried his brothers and the entire family on his shoulders and everyone took advantage of his talent and success. Deal with it.
Um, Janet is ONLY famous because she's a Jackson. She never had the natural talent to make it in the industry if she were some ordinary girl. The same cannot be said for Jermaine, who is actually way more talented and can actually sing.
@@tias.6675 If she was only famous due to her last name, she wouldn’t have had the longevity she does. None of her family were factors in any of her #1 hits or world tours.
I heard for years Papa Joe was very pissed off at Michael for calling off the Victory tour saying it's their very last tour as brothers.He made Michaels life a living hell that's when MJ dad to move out from their Hayenhurst Mansion in Encino
I am an 86' baby. Remember being in my diapers and seeing that my pops had more Jermaine albums vs Michael. I grew up an MJ fan.And wasn't familiar with Jermaine. Watching this, Jermaine truly stood on business, And I can see why my pops loved him. I wonder if Jermaine did tours in Europe?
Buenísimo el canal, la verdad la gira Victory fue exitosa porque era un Thriller Tour, ver a Michael cantando esas canciones en vivo por primera vez era lo atractivo (aún espero alguna vez publiquen un blu ray de esa gira). No sabía que Jermaine entre 1985 llevó una vida de lujos pero siempre se lo notó con mucho recelo a su hermano.
Michael sacrificed a THRILLER tour for this Victory tour. And Jermaine is the one that left the group 1st 🙄 He had success, but if he had success on the level of Michael, these words would never ever come out of his mouth .Enough said!
After the Motown25 special, Motown and Epic Records pushed them to do the Victory album and tour. None of them were on the same page in the Victory album like they were on past albums, thus the reason they never performed any of the songs off of it during the tour.
I always thought it was unfair to Michael to have to share his Thriller success with his brothers. The Victory Tour should’ve been his alone. No disrespect to the brothers, but during that era Michael’s star power was just too much for his brother’s to handle. We all know who the fans were there to see. I also read in the book “Moonwalk” that he was outvoted on a lot of things by his brothers that he wanted to do to make the tour even greater!
I was fortunate enough to have gone to the 1984 Victory tour when I was 11 years old and no artist today can compare to that magical time of the Thriller era.
Since the late 60s when they first started appearing on our televisions around the world we all loved them but let me tell you if you aren't old enough to remember or weren't even born,Michael was the stand out talent we were there for not Jermaine , or Tito,Randy,Marlon or later on in the mid 70s sister Janet ... Michael was , is and always will be the stand out talent for our generation who witnessed this on our television screens , God bless you Michael Jackson and thank you for sharing your wonderful gifts for entertainment of the highest quality.
The people around Michael did this. To split the brothers. Michael was pretty much the main singer. With his gift and talent, Michael solo career was inevitable. But people around him was in his ear and help to separate them
Awesome video and commentary bravo 👏🏽. Finally someone articulated MJ’s demeanor when he was with his bros. He always seemed present without being there like his spirit was being crushed or something. Thank you!
Very nice. I didn’t know Jermaine had a house in Brentwood; very elaborate. I think it was a reach for accusing Jermaine about wanting a comparison to Michael when performing J5 hits on his 1986 tour. He was also a soloist in the group. Performing those songs are just his appreciation and not forgetting where he started his professional career.
Damn! So we missed out on a “thriller tour!” That woulda been HISTORIC! him doing the full beat it dance, Billie Jean might have been the same, an actual thriller! OMG!
Jermaine saying there isn't any rivalry but then tried to take over the victory tour to launch his own solo career, make music videos that looked similar to Michael's and sing his parts on songs. I call bull
Michael didn't need the 💰, but his brothers did. They knew there was no tour without him and so did he. Even though it was called The Victory Tour, no songs from that album were played. The songs performed were from the early J5 days and Michael's solo albums. That was part of the compromise between Michael and his brothers. Michael got fed up with the turmoil among the group that he ended the tour before it's completion. There was supposed to be an American along with European tour portion.
Jermaine was just as talented as his brother Michael and loved his family and Jarimine defended Micheal and protected his music legacy he loved all brothers and sisters.
Man, I wish we could have had more footage of Michael getting that award where he had the WBSS opening jacket from Dallas show but he had on purple pants. I wanna see that footage. Thanks for the video! A celebrity said she heard them going off on each other and officially breaking up at the Canada shows. I forgot
I understand the brothers wanting all of it to be just about them as a family, not about Michael and them as backup singers basically however…..between Michael and Jermaine, I can sense that Jermaine was a bit jealous of him even when the Jackson 5 first started because it was evident from a super young age that Michael could sing, dance, and had unpalatable stage presence….with Jermaine, he could sing a bit but he just didn’t have that presence within him.
No matter how successful the victory era was. It always felt like Mike was being severely held back. Once thriller took off, mikes trajectory was to go sky high. Not fall back down to his hey days as a Jackson band member. Not to mention, the life changing fire accident. It’s insane to think how much his life would have been different had me NOT went on that tour. In my heart of hearts, it wasn’t suppose to be path. He was meant to follow his own. And Mike probably fought hard internally whether or not to do it. I can’t imagine how much excitement Mike probably Had when thriller fulfilled all of his life dreams as a solo artist, only to be asked to go backwards wit his brothers.
Can you imagine a Thriller tour??? Can you imagine what Michael’s hairstyles would evolve to be if he never was burned? I suspect maybe the physical and emotional stress of the burn triggered autoimmune issues such as the vitiligo that founded his increasingly lightened skin. Michael was 25 at the time, unbeknownst to him halfway through his life, at the height of his career. It seems everything went downhill for Mike after the Thriller/Victory era. If only he was able to make the career moves he wanted to
It’s unfortunate that he had to do the victory tour with his brothers it held him back from could’ve been the greatest tour of all time the thriller tour … just imagine
The jacksons are a multi-talented family unit that just happened to have a dynamic lead singer who would become larger than life….Everybody shined in the group which is the reason why we all know their names….Every fan had a favorite Jackson and because MJ was the lead singer, HE WAS EVERYBODY’S FAVORITE….Jermaine achieved his own solo major Platinum worldwide success, even Marlon had a top 5 record with “Don’t Go” while Jackie & Randy released solo albums that weren’t big successes but were critically acclaimed true to the testament of their talent The truth is that NO ONE REMAINS HOT FOREVER so the best thing for any artist to do is to celebrate all wins and be settled in your status as a legend ! we all know why MJ’s solo career suffered right after the “Dangerous” era MJ thought that “Invincible” was gonna outsell Thriller….Not to kill anyone’s ambition but no real person was telling MJ that the industry was changing. The best thing he should’ve did in those down moments was do a world reunion tour or MTV unplugged with all 6 of his brothers which their now legendary last performance for MJ’s 30th anniversary was the best part of that show and then do one more tour for himself cause he clearly said: HE HATED TOURING so the whole point of the THIS IS IT tour was just that…and then, he died Janet just revealed in her documentary that there were plans for a FAMILY tour with everyone but the powers that be on MJ’s end did everything to stop it which only proves there was a agenda
Thank You!!!!! AND SQUARLY PUT RIGHT WHERE IT NEED TO BE!!!!! It's SO SAD . I DONT MICHAEL WOULDVE HE LISTENED TO THE BEST ADVICE HE COULD EVA HVE GOTTEN!! THIS IS TRULY IT!!!! THANK YOU!!❤HAD LISTENED AND SETTLED DOWN WITH WHAT HE HAD ALREADY BRILLIANTLY ACCOMPLISHED HE'D BE ALIVE TODAY!! I FEEL ANYWAY..
Can you please do a documentary about how many employees worked for Michael when he was living at Neverland. What was the rules and regalations Michael had for his employees? How much did Michael's employees make while working for him. I would love to see that even though its a suggestion.
They are both ( not equally though ) talented but Michael has a magical aura that Jermaine doesn't!! It's something that you are born with!! It cannot be faked 😉
Jermaine Jackson is well known to black folk from that era. Jermaine has always been very popular again, in the black community. He was the one, teenage girls were crazy for in the early 1970s. We always new MJ was the star, but black folk always said back them, Jermaine has a really nice singing voice. Jermaine had a lot of RnB radio airplay. He wasn't going platinum or gold, but Jermaine got airplay then and now on classic RnB Stations. Messing Around. Daddy Home. Lets Get Serious. Let Me Tickle Your Fancy. Take Good Care Of My Heart. Dynamite. Do What You Do. Dont Take It Personal. Jermaine is a better bass player than most people realize. The have tutorials on his playing. Bottom line, Jermaine has always had his own lane. Clubs, outtdoor stages, small auditoriums. On a bill with several acts. Jermaine has always gone off and done his own thing, and black folk, from back then, know and appreciate the radio hits. Jermaine makes a good point in that music wise he could put up his songs too. MJ singing a Jermaine song is a MJ hit song. Most of us know that there is no comparison. Jermaine never wanted to look like or sound like MJ. Jermaine was said to be the protective one. Jermaine had a lot if European influences musically speaking. Finally for the record. MJ is the one who was poweful enough to make calls, to have things shut down. He had prince shut down from working with Latoya. He caught wind of Jermaine's producers. And here comes MJ. That move put Jermaines music on hold. MJ did many things and hid his hand. I'm not bashing the King. Joe and Katherine taught them early in that entertainment is married to evil. Family is loyal. MJ wanted to scrap that Jackson's thing. Katherine made him feel guilty. And wanted him to do his own thing and still do something with his brothers too. To do that MJ started distancing himself from Katherine and the brothers. Down that short line, she had to reach out to someone who would contact someone who would then reach the MJ office, it would eventually get to one of the leads, to get to an assistant, to request that he call her. Jus Sayin'
Jermaine had two gold albums, Let's Get Serious and Jermaine Jackson, also known as Dynamite. His single, Let's Get Serious reached number 1 on the Billboard Soul chart. He got a Grammy nomination for Let's Get Serious and the duet mentioned in the video above, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming (Too Good to be True). Jermaine was a soul, R&B artist popular with African Americans. His strength was ballads and he found a place on numerous quiet storm broadcasts.
I am so tired of the brothers being put down or marginalized by the media! Jermaine is underrated and under appreciated. I've always felt that his strength was in R&B/Quiet Storm music and he should have at least focused his mark there rather than try to compete with Mike on the Pop charts. Personally, I love Jermaine as an artist and you're right. The Black community has always supported Jermaine Jackson. And I still rock to Jermaine's Dynamite album. Personally, his best album to date.
@@j.p.2976Valid points. Jermaine is also a decent base player. He wasn’t a bad writer and producer, but compared to Mike- your ego takes a toll. Of course, Jermaine tried to compete with Mike. It’s human nature. Had Jermaine stayed in his R&B lane while venturing into pop from time to time I think he may have sustained. My issue with Jermaine is having all those children while depending on Mike for child support.
@@for-house-stark The family interventions failed. He was very distant from them All. That does not mean he did not love Katherine, or any of them, for that matter.
Sad but true facts about Jermaine egocentric inflated personality believing he was as mega talented and the superstar as Michael which he wasn’t and his solo discography attests to that. “Success isn’t given, it’s EARNED”. Sorry Jermaine!
He felt that way because a lot of people don’t realize before Michael was old enough to join the group, Jermaine was the Lead/Star of the group! Even during the J5 days Jermaine was the one the girls screamed for . He just never had the ambition as Michael or star appeal
@@trulysadbreadAlthough MJ was the cute tiny lead singer with electrified stage persona, Jermaine was really the big hit in the J5, as he was the heartthrob cutie in the group. As the J5 core audience was more girls around Jermaine's age and up, most female fans were too old for Michael and Marlon, as they were little, so Jermaine and Jackie were the huge hits in the group that the ladies went crazy over, especially Jermaine. And Jermaine was the secondary lead singer, his voice was smooth and the perfect backing vehicle for Michael's verses. The ladies went CRAZY for Jermaine, and he really became sort of a David Cassidy heartthrob, like posters of him all over walls of girls bedroom and stuff like that. Michael got the attention because of his otherworldly vocals and soul at his very young age, Jermaine got the ladies lol
this was well put together 👍🏽I liked the images and footage accompanied with the information. as always, I love anything mj related from the early ’80s 💜 the ‘victory’ album was actually scheduled for release around september/october of ‘83. however, michael kept on having more hits with ‘thriller’ (as well as ‘say say say’). once he released the title short film, it was over.. it wasn’t just ‘thriller’ that overshadowed the jacksons, but also ‘off the wall’. I personally think michael should have left the group in ‘79.
@@tafasisso735 I didn’t need that personally, save for the ‘can you feel it’ video. we probably still would have gotten ‘heartbreak hotel’ as it was self penned.
@@tafasisso735 which is fine by me. I don’t like the song. besides, michael sang three quarters of that song by himself. he sang all of ‘you ways’ on his own. he didn’t need his brothers at this point.
8:59 I think of that when it comes to the Tatiana thumpzten kiss situation. I honestly feel like his team had control over certain things so much to the point they just did sneaky things behind his back
The Victory tour feels so unnatural to watch, it just feels more like a thriller tour featuring the other Jacksons, Micheal singing lead on 90% of the songs and commanding the stage with his electrifying moves.
I think that the presence of the jackson's band during the 90's and their teamworks would have help michael jackson to stay connected to the people. His team at this time was full of only bussiness actors who never said to him "no, bro! Take it back, off the wall". Rip mj.
They enjoyed working together. It was after they grew up and Michael soared into SuperStardom things changed and there was Tension. Jermaine & the Jackson 5 would've held Micael Jackson back. The _"Off The Wall"_ album was awesome! The _"Thriller"_ album was Iconic and historic. I'm glad MJ focused on his Solo Career. He was gonna do one more show with his brothers _Jackson 5_ after his planned _"This is it"_ Tour. Prince had planned to Collaborate with him as well after the _"This is it"_ tour. So sad he passed away.
Jermaine was meant to be the lead singer until Michael sang " Climb Every Mountain " for a school assembly. Joe changed the lineup that same night. Jermaine never forgot about it.
Jermaine Wanted to Be like Michael Jackson so bad it was killing him, and Michael Jackson is the best Singer & Dancer of all time, and Michael Jackson is better by his self, and no one can compare to Michael Jackson
Although Michael lost that blend in harmonies, that only his brothers could have provided, once he went solo. Janet is the ONLY SIBLING whose TALENTS even COME CLOSE, to Michael's. 😮
The unfortunate thing is how talented jermaine was, he was never going to compare to the most talented the world has ever seen. I feel bad for Jermaine because of his tremendous talent in his own right. It was dwarfed because it was too easy to compare it to Michael....and this was Michael in his prime.
I love the Jackson 5 when they were kids. Solid music. But, in the eighties the Jacksons was never going to repeat their earlier success. Michael new the brothers act was over, and he knew what he was capable of. A Thriller tour would have been amazing.
I was 12 in 1984 and Michael Jackson was so big back then he was otherworldly. No one in the music business nowadays comes anywhere close to the fame and hype Michael Jackson generated.
Michael is just way too huge as an artist honestly.
Girls and guys don't faint like they did to Michael Jackson :)
@@baan3197Strong guys too with street credibility, borderline gangsters tearing up listening to Michael Jackson 😅
i was born in the middle of his peak, the effects of his huge stardom still felt the world over all these years later. we miss you mike, for sure.
@nyclyricistsbkborn3295 MEGA Facts 🤣💯💯
Michael worked hard his entire life. He deserved to be "THE KING OF POP".
jajaja
@@Superobert67 Time it is to drop the PRIDE and pick up BIBLE - reading and praying aka asking wisdom and understandings.
Time to search about FREEMASONRY, to see, who deceive, with what they deceive, why they deceive.
He is The King Of Pop
00@@Superobert67
So true!
It's true that the Jackson 5 layed the foundation for Michael's success, but he was also the main reason for the success of the Jackson 5 due to his talent and extraordinary charisma. Without Michael the band wouldn't have come as far and it showed later on who the audience was really interested in.
True especially cause he was the youngest and fans love the cute little lead singer
Facts.
Yes, but most groups have lead singers that make the band. Mick Jagger w/the Stones, Lionel Ritchie and Commodores, etc. Beyonce and Destiny Child.
@@HectorLopez-wj4ff I'm reacting to the statement of the brothers that the foundation of Michael's success was layed by the group. My argument is that the group's success was because of Michael's appeal to the audience. Joseph saw that talent very early and quickly replaced Jermaine with Michael as the lead singer. That's when J5 was catapulted into stardom. All of the lead singers you mentioned were the reason of their band's success, because of their unique appeal. Therefore I believe that the brothers could express more appreciation for their brother's contribution to their own fame instead of diminishing him by saying that there would be no Michael Jackson without the Jackson 5.
@igorputin2499come back when you pass the 5th grade grammar test
As a solo artist, Jermaine was NEVER as GREAT as his younger brother, Michael. Jermaine's PROBLEM was that he was always DISTRACTED by WOMEN and SEX instead of staying FOCUSED on his career. Michael, on the other hand, LIVED and BREATHED his career. He gave his ALL to his career----later for women and sex. I'm SURE that Michael ENJOYED himself with WOMEN sometimes, but his JOB came FIRST with him. AS the ULTIMATE PROFESSIONAL, Michael LIVED by the mantra: business before pleasure. Michael didn't let anyone or anything PREVENT him from goin' as FAR as he could in his solo career.
An Excellent Analogy! One I can definitely believe!! In fact, I think you're right on point!😉👍🏽
Yeah, but we got like all of the Jacksons all equally
Yeah, I 100% agree, Michael's concentration was on his work, and he worked unbelievably hard whole life. Only after achieving particular points, he allowed himself to have personal life
Please Stop this! Jermaine is the family leader, and Speaker! Jermaine was married 3 times!
@JarvisYoung-i3r Jermaine was the first to walk away from his brothers when he married Berry Gordy's daughter and made the decisions to be loyal to the Berry's and not his brothers. That's cold.
I don't think the Jackson 5 would have been as successful without Michael as it was. His voice, movement, and energy were simply amazing, which his brothers didn't even come close to.
God bless you all
Exactly.
If they let tito as the lead singer.he could have been a superstar
You don't think the Jackson 5 would have been successful without Michael? Dumbest statement I've read today.
Without Michael, there's no Jackson 5. It's the Jackson 4. Plus, Michael was the biggest thing in the world. Michael was the tour.
Tito could have been a superstar.if only given a chance and opportunity.his name tito sounds a superstar already.😁😅😄
After the success of Thriller in 1982, Michael didn't owe his brothers anything and everything he did afterward was a gift.....Thriller catapulted Michael into super stardom that they could not compare to.....he blessed them with his presence with the Victory Tour and let it ALL go after that.....he STILL had mad love for his brothers but felt that he was carrying the load (which he was)......
What a lot of people don't realize is the success of "Thriller" launched MJ into a level of super stardom that very few have reached. The "Victory" album and tour were great, but let's face facts, it's obvious who people wanted to see. It was also difficult for Jermaine and the rest of the Jacksons to be constantly compared to MJ as well, especially when you're trying to venture out on your own. Great video from the detail. Long live the king of pop. 🎉
Thank you! Loved researching this!
I didn’t really get that Marlon was as pressed.
A few people ? Nobody tripped that level of superstar of Michael Jackson Jesus Christ wasn’t even that famous it took him to be sacrificed after death to be work widely known like MJ
totally agree! Michael was talented. : )
@@IvanDiaz-fl6ffcalm down
Let's be clear....no one bought tickets to see Jermaine. It was the "Jacksons Victory Tour" but if you asked concert goers the next morning....they'd tell you they went to see MJ last night...
On the actual documentary when fans were asked they were like "we'd do just about anything to see Michael Jackson" every fan that was asked mentioned Michael. That's who everyone came to see definitely not Jermaine or anyone else😂
@@NoJeansBobthe word “like” is equivalent to “said” in the millennial generation
There’s no need to disrespect Jermaine. He was a star too. The Jacksons, as a group, built a fan base from 1970 through 1984. The groups black fan base followed them closely and with that fan base, the group consistently sold out arenas before MJ dropped Off the Wall. They continued to sell out arena after the 1980 Triumph album and the 1981 Live Album. The success that came in 1983 (after Thriller dropped at the end of 82) brought new fans, younger fans and whiter fans and a larger international fan base.
Also, for the record, MJ was closest to Jermaine and Janet.
@@NoJeansBob 🤣not you thinking you did something by saying this🤣
Facts 😂😂😂
The reunion albums didn’t have any hit records but torture , state of shock and can you feel it . Mike was the meal ticket since they were kids.
Don't forget about heartbreak hotel
So they did, in fact, have hits.
Don’t forget let me show you the way to go
@@jeremywashington7699different album, that was on triumph album
Michael drove himself...HARD. He had a goal and a determination that was unmatched by his brothers. He was mega-talented but his relentless drive and hard work made him the best in the business. He truly sacrificed himself. None of his brothers did that. Just look at how much better the Bad Tour was than the Victory Tour. It was all HIS. He made all the decisions. I did miss his brothers being on stage with him for the old songs but Bad gave us a taste of what a Thriller Tour could've been.
Facts.
They were all talented but as you said Michael was driven to succeed and worked hard to this end, even in his younger days when the brothers were out playing basketball while he was in the studios, trying to learn as much as he could. No way was he a " manufactured, over-hyped puppet" as the narrator questioned. I think on the contrary, the key to his massive fame was the fact that he was in control of his music and stage productions, and knew what he was about.
@@nimue4325You Are Spot On!😉👍🏽💯Michael was more driven sadly overall to his detriment .
Even in their youth when they first started I always felt Michael was 80% of the group. Jermaine was 10%, Jackie was 5%, and Marlon and Tito equaled 5% together. Michael was the main reason they were successful
Marlon literally created
Most of the choreography so your splits are completely wrong mike was 50 at most.
@@Abandoned2377how when his dad keeps beating him for missing dance steps
nooooooo..... Michael 50%
@@travishylton6976when he was like 12
Nigga said Tito a 2.5%😂😂😂
The difference between Michael and Jermaine was that this tour was holding Michael's skyrocketed career back. This tour confined Michael's career whereas it was Jermaine's highest point in his career....
I think this tour actually hurt Jermaines career. 1984 -1985 was huge for Jermaine he had several top hits on the US and international charts, and should have stayed on his own and reunited with his brothers much later
@@dctalk1117
Correct bro. Jermaine was still churning out hits such as Don't Take It Personal which I believe hit in 1987.
U can say that again!
@@raygu18181989
How did it hold his career back? Thriller needed to have its own tour and it was ultimately the victory tour. That tour was the best i went to a show at the age of 9 at Dodger Stadium
We miss you, Michael. 🥲
😢😢😢😢
Also hit up my channel, I put out a some M.J. style tracks thx!
Tremendously
I think Jermaine has been jealous of Michael since they were kids and Michael replaced Jermaine as lead singer.
Regardless of the feud, they are still the Jackson's and they wii forever be that.
There were not exactly favorable circumstances around this tour. It is felt that Michael is tense and at times constrained.
But the fact that Michael's repertoire and his songs made this show victorious, there is no doubt!
Vivat, the king of pop music! Happy Birthday!
He tore that tour up
Idk what your talking about he was amazing on that tour
Man you might need to rewatch that tour! Some of his most iconic stage moves were created in that tour!
Michael was Definitely not stiff. Did you see the show live? You cannot compare this show to any of his later Solo tours but Michael from the beginning to the end was always a perfectionist! VICTORY was EPIC! He grew into a Supernatural PHENOMENON after this tour❤❤❤
Stiff? You couldn't be more wrong. Michael ate that!
Jermaine's jealousy of Michael was well recorded in his song "Word to the Bad" after MJ released his Bad Album. He was always under Mike's shadow and he never got over it.
Jermaine was talented but he just didn't have that glow. Michael had the glow and it drove Jermaine crazy.
I wish Michael could tour in 1984 as the solo artist he already was. It would have been the Thriller tour! It probably would have been the most successful tour ever✨️✨️✨️ However Michael paid a huge personal price holding back his passion for touring with his siblings.
He is an angel 🖤
He still did his solo works on victory tour too
Would've loved to see a solo Thriller tour. The other brothers probably should've gotten their CDL licenses or something.
Lol
@@tias.6675 😅😅😅 Not "CDL Licenses" 🤦🏾♂️
I don’t know if he really wanted to tour had it not been for The Jacksons. It’s been said that he really wanted to stop touring after the Triumph tour.
...all I will say is the Destiny - Triumph eras were the best time for the Jacksons. If only Jermaine was with them during that time.
Yes the rest seemed like a cash grab
Triumph was a masterpiece. Every song was incredible. Underrated to me and as good as Off the Wall.
I can only say you are Spot on!!! However, am kinda glad he wasn't apart of The JACKSONS!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ it may have altered what they had perfectly accomplished without him.Still like Jermaine's contribution to the Jackson 5!❤❤❤❤ I Can't say enough how much This Group and their music impacted my life!🎉
It’s no secret that as much as Jermaine loved his brother, he was insanely jealous, not to mention greedy too.
I’m a huge Jackson’s fan and absolutely love a lot of Jermaine’s solo work. The allure of Michael’s popularity just unfortunately overshadowed much of the other brothers efforts because it was clearly obvious that MJ was the most talented. Period.
Not only jealous and greedy but a terrible and selfish person - point blank period. I’m sorry any man who sleeps with and has children with his little brothers wife is beyond gross. And by all accounts, he hasn’t been a great father to ANY of his children, he has NEVER been faithful to any wife or girlfriend, he has taken SO MUCH money from his mother and he tried to get his hands on MJs money too and take it from his children and their mother!
Truly an awful person.
Jermaine got natural voice
Michael got natural energy talent
@@stevewoodson4635He definitely has a natural voice aswell!❤💯👍🏽
Man they should’ve just fell back on the “it’s a family thing” angle and let MJ do his thing during that era making it a “Thriller” tour instead of a “Victory” tour. We would’ve gotten so much more from MJ creatively from the tour and maybe even getting an earlier album. At that point his success just usurped the industry, let alone the Jacksons.. They, mainly Jermaine, just wanted to eat off of the success of Thriller and that’s what really drove MJ away from the family it seems like..
I agree they should have Michael do his thing, Jermaine could have just did his own thing. I honestly don’t think Jermaine was pressed to do the tour at the time though. He was pretty hot on the charts at the time
Yeah, you are right, but I can remember a small window where there was a time where they “seemed” neck and neck. Didn’t last long though.
Michael had actually did them a huge favor by recording the victory album and doing the tour. Thriller was still selling and he could’ve easily toured the world and demanded whatever price he wanted and venues would have no problem giving him what he wanted knowing every show would sell out. Us as fans got cheated out of a thriller tour and he tried to make it up to us with BAD (album) tour
Agreed, a true Thriller tour would’ve been OUTRAGEOUS with Mike’s creativity
In the family, Michael was part of a whole. From a business perspective, The Jackson 5 is a beloved group, however, their day in the sun had past. It could not have escaped Jermaine's attention that Michael had become a star in his own right, and was the show's main attraction.
Michael wanted to pursue his own musical and dance career. He created successfully "Thriller," "Bad," and "Dangerous." Jermaine and his brothers initially dismissed this as worthless and believed he was wasting his time. Michael was driven by a desire to bring his dreams to life and follow his instincts. He was determined to create and actualize his ideas, regardless of others' opinions about his work. Jermaine and his brothers recognized the immense talent of this mega star and couldn't help but feel jealous. They understood that without Michael, who had the genuine, true, and exclusive talent within the band, they couldn't launch successful solo careers. They held him responsible for their inability to establish solo careers or to make an income by continuing with the Jackson 5. Especially Jermaine was jealous, that's why Michael when he thanked his brothers, often said: "Including Jermaine".
From the outset of Michael's life, this conditioning and conflict is pretty clear, often exploited by others for financial gain. He financially supported his father and his brothers for child support and various expenses. He served as the primary source of income for his brothers and his father. At one point, he was tired of constantly providing financial support to them. Michael had always been used as a cash cow for other people.
True.
No wonder he always calls jermaine name last when he makes appreciations back in the days. It shows Michael knew jermaine was jealous and against him.
@@dillionwon6587 Yes, that is true! The older brother and younger sibling syndrome is real!
You skipped over Off The Wall, a masterpiece he recorded at the age of 20.
@@rossfromsaThat is true! I agree with you completely! Thank you!
Happy 65 birthday Michael ❤❤❤
Yeah Happy 65 bday
HAPPY BIRTHDAY THE ONE AND ONLY KING OF POP ROCK AND SOUL❤❤❤
Oh if only he could be here. And happy. He didn't seem particularly happy in the last years of his life, and understandably so...
I went to that concert in Atlanta. It was really good. We had seats on the field at the Atlanta Stadium and were so close we could see the sweat beads on their faces.
I heard somewhere that before Michael joined the group, Jermaine was the lead singer. When they found out how talented Mike was and he was placed in the band as another lead singer, I believe Jermaine was crushed and he never got over it.
I believe that’s the root of Michael pain. Jermaine because jealous that one of his youngest brothers was the getting all the attention as well as the talent. He downplayed his stardom until he could no longer control it. I bet he beat up Michael when Joe thought they was asleep or something. So when he got old enough he left them and didn’t look back.
Yeah that's when Michael was a small child, the older brothers formed the group first then Marlon and Michael after Joe and Katherine saw that they had talent as well. That was the Gary Indiana days.
One can only wonder what could've been had Michael gone on a solo Thriller tour instead of a Victory Tour with his brothers.
If I'm not mistaken, him not promoting Thriller via a tour due to the Victory Tour resulted in Purple Rain doing extremely well at the Grammys the following year...
Then Michael should have went solo before he did the ‘Thriller’ album. Despite how successful both ‘Off The Wall’ and “Thriller” was, he was still a member of the Jacksons. I don’t think he could have done a solo tour until he actually went solo.
Nah this is incorrect. MJ stopped performing by 1985 b/c of being scared of over exposure. At least that's what the soundbyte is....
Thriller was still the biggest selling album of the year purple rain was released, despite it's phenomenonal sales. Thriller overshadowed purple rain in sales two years in a row, an album that was released three years ago, and the first album to become the biggest selling album in the US for two straight years
It’s been said that after the Triumph tour, he didn’t really wanted to tour.
That Victory album cover has always been interesting. From the dove on Randy's shoulder (Which is only on select versions of the album), to Michael being sort of in the background of the line up, and also that Tito has a Jheri Curl, which he never had in real life.
Haha I’ve never noticed that
Even Michael having the white glove! It definitely gave “itching to stand out completely”.
Damn I didn’t even notice that wow lol
One of my favorite album covers. That & prince around the world in day covers were so good ❤
Its a great album cover. I wish they could reissue a poster of it.
Jealousy is a disease
Ya. I know that Michael’s album made him want to do his own thing, but that Jermaine, just seemed selfish and sneaky.
It was obvious that jermaine was jealous of michael's success and fame. Some of the comments he made affirmed that.
MJ had a clear version of his own music career
Exactly.
Jermaine Jackson is talented but he isnt a consummate performer ( having supreme mastery or skill) . Michael Jackson was born with a beautiful voice, dance skills, captivating performance abilities, and of course good looks.
Jermaine Jackson played bass guitar, danced, and sanged at the same time. Very hard task to do also he was the band leader I. The beginning phase of the group.
@@electricwarbaby1 Awesome point. Maybe some never heard any Jackson 5 songs to know this. 😏😆😉
Good looks? 😂
Yes! of course!!! ALL of the Jackson Brothers were very Handsome!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤@@dondamon4669
Hey, Good news articles sell too. Jermaine and Michael loved each other. Respect!
I can feel for Jermaine, having your little brother outshine you. The same dynamic existed in CCR.
Jermaine was projecting, without the Jackson 5, he would not have had a singing career. Let's face it, while he had a few good tunes, his voice is very weak. He would not have had the opportunities he had without the Jackson name.
Michael, however, had an incredible voice. He was instrumental in the Jackson 5's success and proved he had the talent to make it without them.
If his voice was ‘very weak’ he wouldn’t have been the co-lead singer when they were known as the Jackson 5.
Come on now. Jermaine has a very, very nice voice. He definitely had the potential to be successful on his own. Maybe not MJ level, but successful enough.
@@tias.6675he did have some solo success but not that much
he has a nice voice, he just kinda nothing without his brothers :(
His voice was decent but no real artistry or star power imo
You can also lowkey see Michael practicing for his solo career/peformance/tour on stage lol he knew. His family knew. Now we all know.
The main difference was Jermaine CHASED fame while Michael ATTRACTED fame.
Around the Victory era u can see Michael's skin tone was drastically changing
Off the wall era already and.. jermaine is the darkest of the family. Even in the J5 jermaine was darker then Michael. Michael and Marlon are the lightest of the brothers. Marlon even had brown hair instead of dark.
It’s only makeup. His skin was still dark underneath. Look at bad tour rehearsal pictures.
@@nysic1234 Well Michael said one time growing Joe often made fun saying "oh you too dark to be my child you didn't get it from me" and on a side note I always looked at Jackie as being the darkest outta all of em
@@Twan1985 true. Hmm I always thought Jermaine was the darkest.
Latoya (even as kid) and marlon are the lightest
Just pancake make up due to lupus and vitiligo he started having Rosy cheeks in 1984
Michael had evolved beyond the Jackson five.
Period 💯💯
Yep. It was over for the brothers after the Thriller album. It was Mike's time.
Michael was an entertainer. Jermaine, a talented singer! People like to be entertained ...
We miss you Michael Jackson
The Jackson's haven't been the same without Michael.
They still got Janet as their Megastar of the family
So why are they still tour since 2012 ?
@@damienlomax1946 the difference is that Michael would be able to sellout a stadium today. His brothers cant.
@@TheUltimateOpportunist will they have been selling out since 2012 what y'all seem to don't understand is that people who grow up with the Jackson 5 love and respect the brothers they loved all of them also the Jackson 5 wasn't only all about Michael they all where celebrity legends and each one of them had fan favorites from Michael to Jermaines to Marlon to randy Tito and Jackie only MJ fans from the bad era and then you have the guilty MJ fans who are fans cause he died they are the ones who hate and despise the brothers and think that they are not worthy people need to stop comparing them to one person because they are not on Michaels leavel every one is different and every one has there own talent out here there was things that they can that Michael couldn't do but real fans die hard fans that grow up with j5 love and respect the brothers and they still touring to this day and all kinds of fans young old black and white come together and have a good time it's all positive vibes and environment and is a good tribute to Michael of all the people In the world to do tribute to him and keeping his legacy alive is where he started from and they helped created and built his platform and legacy why is it a crime that his brothers doing a tribute they start buy when other people do it it's ok Michael didn't started or was selfmade millionaire own his own with out God Joeseph Kathrine and Tito playing his fathers guitar there would not be no j5 the Jacksons and with out the j5/ Jacksons there wouldn't be not Michael solo or Janet career period
@@damienlomax1946 no disrespect, but I ain't reading all of that. My point wasn't to insult the Jacksons, I was simply explaining the difference. Have a good day.
Watching this was embarrassing. Jermaine's career was ridiculous. By the way, the Jacksons 5 would never have been successful if it weren't for Michael. The truth is that Michael carried his brothers and the entire family on his shoulders and everyone took advantage of his talent and success. Deal with it.
Except Janet, she’s able to stand on her own even still today
@@PensivePoet97 Oh yeah, of course! Just her. ❤️
Um, Janet is ONLY famous because she's a Jackson. She never had the natural talent to make it in the industry if she were some ordinary girl. The same cannot be said for Jermaine, who is actually way more talented and can actually sing.
@@tias.6675 If she was only famous due to her last name, she wouldn’t have had the longevity she does. None of her family were factors in any of her #1 hits or world tours.
@@tias.6675 What? Ok... I already know it's you behind this fake profile, get over it Jermaine 😂
I heard for years Papa Joe was very pissed off at Michael for calling off the Victory tour saying it's their very last tour as brothers.He made Michaels life a living hell that's when MJ dad to move out from their Hayenhurst Mansion in Encino
He left several years later, though. I don't even think Joe really lived there. He was too busy entertaining his secret family.
I am an 86' baby. Remember being in my diapers and seeing that my pops had more Jermaine albums vs Michael. I grew up an MJ fan.And wasn't familiar with Jermaine. Watching this, Jermaine truly stood on business, And I can see why my pops loved him. I wonder if Jermaine did tours in Europe?
Buenísimo el canal, la verdad la gira Victory fue exitosa porque era un Thriller Tour, ver a Michael cantando esas canciones en vivo por primera vez era lo atractivo (aún espero alguna vez publiquen un blu ray de esa gira). No sabía que Jermaine entre 1985 llevó una vida de lujos pero siempre se lo notó con mucho recelo a su hermano.
Michael sacrificed a THRILLER tour for this Victory tour. And Jermaine is the one that left the group 1st 🙄 He had success, but if he had success on the level of Michael, these words would never ever come out of his mouth .Enough said!
It’s been said he didn’t really want to tour anymore after the Triumph tour.
@@RocStarr913 nah not that early--he only wanted away from Dad and brothers
After the Motown25 special, Motown and Epic Records pushed them to do the Victory album and tour. None of them were on the same page in the Victory album like they were on past albums, thus the reason they never performed any of the songs off of it during the tour.
I didn't realize that "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" was not released as a single. That is one of my favorite Jermaine Jackson songs.
you are the best channel of michaek jackson life detail
Thank you!
I love The Jackson 5 as much as a Micheal Jackson.. love seeing the brothers together
I always thought it was unfair to Michael to have to share his Thriller success with his brothers. The Victory Tour should’ve been his alone. No disrespect to the brothers, but during that era Michael’s star power was just too much for his brother’s to handle. We all know who the fans were there to see. I also read in the book “Moonwalk” that he was outvoted on a lot of things by his brothers that he wanted to do to make the tour even greater!
See that's what you don't understand about families they have no problems with sharing
I was fortunate enough to have gone to the 1984 Victory tour when I was 11 years old and no artist today can compare to that magical time of the Thriller era.
Since the late 60s when they first started appearing on our televisions around the world we all loved them but let me tell you if you aren't old enough to remember or weren't even born,Michael was the stand out talent we were there for not Jermaine , or Tito,Randy,Marlon or later on in the mid 70s sister Janet ... Michael was , is and always will be the stand out talent for our generation who witnessed this on our television screens , God bless you Michael Jackson and thank you for sharing your wonderful gifts for entertainment of the highest quality.
The people around Michael did this. To split the brothers. Michael was pretty much the main singer. With his gift and talent, Michael solo career was inevitable. But people around him was in his ear and help to separate them
Awesome video and commentary bravo 👏🏽. Finally someone articulated MJ’s demeanor when he was with his bros. He always seemed present without being there like his spirit was being crushed or something. Thank you!
Michael forever ❤️
Very nice. I didn’t know Jermaine had a house in Brentwood; very elaborate. I think it was a reach for accusing Jermaine about wanting a comparison to Michael when performing J5 hits on his 1986 tour. He was also a soloist in the group. Performing those songs are just his appreciation and not forgetting where he started his professional career.
Thanks!
No problem!
Damn! So we missed out on a “thriller tour!” That woulda been HISTORIC! him doing the full beat it dance, Billie Jean might have been the same, an actual thriller! OMG!
They were all great and they were always the best ones to me
Jermaine saying there isn't any rivalry but then tried to take over the victory tour to launch his own solo career, make music videos that looked similar to Michael's and sing his parts on songs. I call bull
Michael didn't need the 💰, but his brothers did. They knew there was no tour without him and so did he. Even though it was called The Victory Tour, no songs from that album were played. The songs performed were from the early J5 days and Michael's solo albums. That was part of the compromise between Michael and his brothers. Michael got fed up with the turmoil among the group that he ended the tour before it's completion. There was supposed to be an American along with European tour portion.
Jermaine was just as talented as his brother Michael and loved his family and Jarimine defended Micheal and protected his music legacy he loved all brothers and sisters.
Man, I wish we could have had more footage of Michael getting that award where he had the WBSS opening jacket from Dallas show but he had on purple pants. I wanna see that footage. Thanks for the video! A celebrity said she heard them going off on each other and officially breaking up at the Canada shows. I forgot
I understand the brothers wanting all of it to be just about them as a family, not about Michael and them as backup singers basically however…..between Michael and Jermaine, I can sense that Jermaine was a bit jealous of him even when the Jackson 5 first started because it was evident from a super young age that Michael could sing, dance, and had unpalatable stage presence….with Jermaine, he could sing a bit but he just didn’t have that presence within him.
Jermaine could play bass, along with multiple instruments, write, produce, dance and sing.
@@electricwarbaby1 yet never made anything worth listening too like prince
No matter how successful the victory era was. It always felt like Mike was being severely held back. Once thriller took off, mikes trajectory was to go sky high. Not fall back down to his hey days as a Jackson band member. Not to mention, the life changing fire accident. It’s insane to think how much his life would have been different had me NOT went on that tour. In my heart of hearts, it wasn’t suppose to be path. He was meant to follow his own. And Mike probably fought hard internally whether or not to do it. I can’t imagine how much excitement Mike probably
Had when thriller fulfilled all of his life dreams as a solo artist, only to be asked to go backwards wit his brothers.
Can you imagine a Thriller tour??? Can you imagine what Michael’s hairstyles would evolve to be if he never was burned? I suspect maybe the physical and emotional stress of the burn triggered autoimmune issues such as the vitiligo that founded his increasingly lightened skin. Michael was 25 at the time, unbeknownst to him halfway through his life, at the height of his career. It seems everything went downhill for Mike after the Thriller/Victory era. If only he was able to make the career moves he wanted to
It’s unfortunate that he had to do the victory tour with his brothers it held him back from could’ve been the greatest tour of all time the thriller tour … just imagine
Right.
The jacksons are a multi-talented family unit that just happened to have a dynamic lead singer who would become larger than life….Everybody shined in the group which is the reason why we all know their names….Every fan had a favorite Jackson and because MJ was the lead singer, HE WAS EVERYBODY’S FAVORITE….Jermaine achieved his own solo major Platinum worldwide success, even Marlon had a top 5 record with “Don’t Go” while Jackie & Randy released solo albums that weren’t big successes but were critically acclaimed true to the testament of their talent
The truth is that NO ONE REMAINS HOT FOREVER so the best thing for any artist to do is to celebrate all wins and be settled in your status as a legend !
we all know why MJ’s solo career suffered right after the “Dangerous” era
MJ thought that “Invincible” was gonna outsell Thriller….Not to kill anyone’s ambition but no real person was telling MJ that the industry was changing. The best thing he should’ve did in those down moments was do a world reunion tour or MTV unplugged with all 6 of his brothers which their now legendary last performance for MJ’s 30th anniversary was the best part of that show and then do one more tour for himself cause he clearly said: HE HATED TOURING so the whole point of the THIS IS IT tour was just that…and then, he died
Janet just revealed in her documentary that there were plans for a FAMILY tour with everyone but the powers that be on MJ’s end did everything to stop it which only proves there was a agenda
Thank You!!!!!
AND SQUARLY PUT RIGHT WHERE IT NEED TO BE!!!!! It's SO SAD . I DONT MICHAEL WOULDVE HE LISTENED TO THE BEST ADVICE HE COULD EVA HVE GOTTEN!! THIS IS TRULY IT!!!! THANK YOU!!❤HAD LISTENED AND SETTLED DOWN WITH WHAT HE HAD ALREADY BRILLIANTLY ACCOMPLISHED HE'D BE ALIVE TODAY!! I FEEL ANYWAY..
Can you please do a documentary about how many employees worked for Michael when he was living at Neverland. What was the rules and regalations Michael had for his employees? How much did Michael's employees make while working for him. I would love to see that even though its a suggestion.
Great video idea!
I heard they were over 100 staffs though not really sure.
LOS JACKSON CINCOS !!! the goat of all time I FUCKING LOVE MJ HE'S THE BEST !!!
Все Джексоны талантливы!!Но Майкл-гениальный!!С ним никто не сравнится!!
We seriously need to give Jermaine credit for his constant optimism.
What other choice did he have?
Exactly. He put on the DeBarge family and he had some damn good song in his own right.
His constant toxic positivity in cheating on his wife and milking his little brother's success
They are both ( not equally though ) talented but Michael has a magical aura that Jermaine doesn't!!
It's something that you are born with!! It cannot be faked 😉
Tell em.
Thank You For Sayin IT!!
My Mother Always says it.
Her Words" You Have to Be Born With It" ENOUGH Said!!😊
@@wandarichmond7643 Thank you 🌻
MJ made the group period
I crack up when MJ says I love all my brothers, “including Jermaine” 😂😂😂
Jermaine is coming back after eight years. The rest of the world : “Who?”
That's why Michael said he hated going on tours. Family/people will make you hate the very thing you love.
Jermaine Jackson is well known to black folk from that era. Jermaine has always been very popular again, in the black community. He was the one, teenage girls were crazy for in the early 1970s. We always new MJ was the star, but black folk always said back them, Jermaine has a really nice singing voice. Jermaine had a lot of RnB radio airplay. He wasn't going platinum or gold, but Jermaine got airplay then and now on classic RnB Stations.
Messing Around.
Daddy Home.
Lets Get Serious.
Let Me Tickle Your Fancy.
Take Good Care Of My Heart.
Dynamite.
Do What You Do.
Dont Take It Personal. Jermaine is a better bass player than most people realize. The have tutorials on his playing. Bottom line, Jermaine has always had his own lane. Clubs, outtdoor stages, small auditoriums.
On a bill with several acts. Jermaine has always gone off and done his own thing, and black folk, from back then, know and appreciate the radio hits. Jermaine makes a good point in that music wise he could put up his songs too. MJ singing a Jermaine song is a MJ hit song. Most of us know that there is no comparison. Jermaine never wanted to look like or sound like MJ. Jermaine was said to be the protective one.
Jermaine had a lot if European influences musically speaking. Finally for the record. MJ is the one who was poweful enough to make calls, to have things shut down. He had prince shut down from working with Latoya. He caught wind of Jermaine's producers. And here comes MJ. That move put Jermaines music on hold.
MJ did many things and hid his hand. I'm not bashing the King. Joe and Katherine taught them early in that entertainment is married to evil. Family is loyal. MJ wanted to scrap that Jackson's thing. Katherine made him feel guilty. And wanted him to do his own thing and still do something with his brothers too.
To do that MJ started distancing himself from Katherine and the brothers.
Down that short line, she had to reach out to someone who would contact someone who would then reach the MJ office, it would eventually get to one of the leads, to get to an assistant, to request that he call her.
Jus Sayin'
Jermaine had two gold albums, Let's Get Serious and Jermaine Jackson, also known as Dynamite. His single, Let's Get Serious reached number 1 on the Billboard Soul chart. He got a Grammy nomination for Let's Get Serious and the duet mentioned in the video above, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming (Too Good to be True). Jermaine was a soul, R&B artist popular with African Americans. His strength was ballads and he found a place on numerous quiet storm broadcasts.
MJ never distanced himself from katherine jackson. She had total access to him and she didn't need to go through an assistant to get to him
I am so tired of the brothers being put down or marginalized by the media! Jermaine is underrated and under appreciated. I've always felt that his strength was in R&B/Quiet Storm music and he should have at least focused his mark there rather than try to compete with Mike on the Pop charts. Personally, I love Jermaine as an artist and you're right. The Black community has always supported Jermaine Jackson. And I still rock to Jermaine's Dynamite album. Personally, his best album to date.
@@j.p.2976Valid points. Jermaine is also a decent base player. He wasn’t a bad writer and producer, but compared to Mike- your ego takes a toll. Of course, Jermaine tried to compete with Mike. It’s human nature. Had Jermaine stayed in his R&B lane while venturing into pop from time to time I think he may have sustained.
My issue with Jermaine is having all those children while depending on Mike for child support.
@@for-house-stark The family interventions failed. He was very distant from them All. That does not mean he did not love Katherine, or any of them, for that matter.
I wish MJ did the Thriller Tour instead. He outgrew the Jacksons.
Truth.
It’s been said he didn’t want to tour anymore after the Triumph tour.
Sad but true facts about Jermaine egocentric inflated personality believing he was as mega talented and the superstar as Michael which he wasn’t and his solo discography attests to that. “Success isn’t given, it’s EARNED”. Sorry Jermaine!
He felt that way because a lot of people don’t realize before Michael was old enough to join the group, Jermaine was the Lead/Star of the group! Even during the J5 days Jermaine was the one the girls screamed for . He just never had the ambition as Michael or star appeal
@@rowlaanbennett7296yeah but i think the girls screamed for him only cause he had a handsome face, not much it...
@@trulysadbreadAlthough MJ was the cute tiny lead singer with electrified stage persona, Jermaine was really the big hit in the J5, as he was the heartthrob cutie in the group. As the J5 core audience was more girls around Jermaine's age and up, most female fans were too old for Michael and Marlon, as they were little, so Jermaine and Jackie were the huge hits in the group that the ladies went crazy over, especially Jermaine. And Jermaine was the secondary lead singer, his voice was smooth and the perfect backing vehicle for Michael's verses. The ladies went CRAZY for Jermaine, and he really became sort of a David Cassidy heartthrob, like posters of him all over walls of girls bedroom and stuff like that. Michael got the attention because of his otherworldly vocals and soul at his very young age, Jermaine got the ladies lol
@@TheZakiya yeah no kiddin’ ahahha
but yeah his best days were with Michael and other brothers
Jermaine always like his brother but even though he’s jealous of him for being famous but he still loves his brother Michael ❤❤❤
No he is crazy
Mike was the Jackson 5!
this was well put together 👍🏽I liked the images and footage accompanied with the information. as always, I love anything mj related from the early ’80s 💜
the ‘victory’ album was actually scheduled for release around september/october of ‘83. however, michael kept on having more hits with ‘thriller’ (as well as ‘say say say’). once he released the title short film, it was over..
it wasn’t just ‘thriller’ that overshadowed the jacksons, but also ‘off the wall’. I personally think michael should have left the group in ‘79.
We wouldn't have had the triumph album
@@tafasisso735 I didn’t need that personally, save for the ‘can you feel it’ video. we probably still would have gotten ‘heartbreak hotel’ as it was self penned.
@@jayfriday9485 We wouldn't have had time waits
The Whitney Houston and Madonna videos are really good too.
@@tafasisso735 which is fine by me. I don’t like the song. besides, michael sang three quarters of that song by himself. he sang all of ‘you ways’ on his own. he didn’t need his brothers at this point.
Good Job well detail even though it's just out i already want part 4 hope it comes soon don't stop keep going ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I'm glad you like it
Jermaine sorry "Ain't Nobody coming to see you Otis" lol
Sibling rivalry has always been the norm in most families, n this video of MJ n his jealous brother, Jermaine is an example!
8:59 I think of that when it comes to the Tatiana thumpzten kiss situation. I honestly feel like his team had control over certain things so much to the point they just did sneaky things behind his back
Honestly the victory tour should have been the Thriller Tour
It's a shame we didn't get one especially since MJ didn't want to do the Victory Tour, but only didn't it to help his brothers who needed the money.
There is Michael ... there are the others ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL !!! 🎈🎂
Sounds kind of slanderous like you're slandering his brothers that's not cool
he is the most talented@@RonaldWilliams-qh7zc he is the most talented
The Victory tour feels so unnatural to watch, it just feels more like a thriller tour featuring the other Jacksons, Micheal singing lead on 90% of the songs and commanding the stage with his electrifying moves.
I think that the presence of the jackson's band during the 90's and their teamworks would have help michael jackson to stay connected to the people.
His team at this time was full of only bussiness actors who never said to him "no, bro! Take it back, off the wall".
Rip mj.
You are Definitely ON Point! Totally Agree!
Thriller and the victory tour were just highlights in Mj’s popularity in the 80’s
Facts.
I liked the victory tour. They gave a great performance.
They enjoyed working together. It was after they grew up and Michael soared into SuperStardom things changed and there was Tension. Jermaine & the Jackson 5 would've held Micael Jackson back. The _"Off The Wall"_ album was awesome! The _"Thriller"_ album was Iconic and historic. I'm glad MJ focused on his Solo Career. He was gonna do one more show with his brothers _Jackson 5_ after his planned _"This is it"_ Tour. Prince had planned to Collaborate with him as well after the _"This is it"_ tour. So sad he passed away.
Jermaine was meant to be the lead singer until Michael sang " Climb Every Mountain " for a school assembly. Joe changed the lineup that same night. Jermaine never forgot about it.
Michael Jackson was so famous, that when you look up the word celebrity in the dictionary there should be a picture of him there💯👑
Jermaine Wanted to Be like Michael Jackson so bad it was killing him, and Michael Jackson is the best Singer & Dancer of all time, and Michael Jackson is better by his self, and no one can compare to Michael Jackson
Although Michael lost that blend in harmonies, that only his brothers could have provided, once he went solo.
Janet is the ONLY SIBLING whose TALENTS even COME CLOSE, to Michael's. 😮
Michael hits the SKY, everybody then and now is grounded to earth
The unfortunate thing is how talented jermaine was, he was never going to compare to the most talented the world has ever seen. I feel bad for Jermaine because of his tremendous talent in his own right. It was dwarfed because it was too easy to compare it to Michael....and this was Michael in his prime.
I love the Jackson 5 when they were kids. Solid music. But, in the eighties the Jacksons was never going to repeat their earlier success. Michael new the brothers act was over, and he knew what he was capable of.
A Thriller tour would have been amazing.
MJ always set the trends. He inspired black women to have the baby hair we have today. ❤🙌🏿🕊