Jermaine Takes Over The Jackson 5!! Moving On Without Michael | the detail.
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- After a contentious divorce and with his music outputs failing to light up the charts, Jermaine Jackson devised a new plan to get his career back on track. By reuniting his brothers, minus Michael and Marlon, for a much needed Jacksons comeback, in hopes that the extra publicity would help garner him much needed solo success.
But can Jermaine and the rest of the Jacksons thrive without their moonwalking brother, Michael?
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Michael had a huge, violent magnetism. He was the "ringleader", the leader. With his departure, the band broke up. For me, it's like a car without a motor. No matter how hard you try, the car won't budge. It's the same with the Jacksons without Michael...
Oooooh I love this!!! Hell yeah!!
You hit it on the nail I agree 100% without Michael there was no Jackson 5 He went on to bigger and better things He was the best I'm 64 years old I remember when they started out way back in The 70s I will always look forward to watching the show Such wonderful memories
The Jacksons without Michael is like 🍕 with no 🧀
@@MOLICIOUS69 That is so true couldn't have said it any better Can I do like cheese on my pizza LOL
@@lindaatwood5428 put some meatball and 🥦 on it..make it sexy
•Jermine tried to bring the whole entire family to one place
•Michael tried to bring the whole wolrd together.
I’m honestly glad that Michael went solo. It was a time when he needed to break free from his Fathers control. But at the same time it wore his body out too much to the point where it killed him.
From GOT TO BE THERE to his last solo song he was meant to be MICHAEL JACKSON.. 🔚 of story...the same way we all meant to be ourselves with no mistake is the same with MJ.
Jermaine could never be MJ. MJ had an otherworldly charisma that connected with everyone. While Jermaine is talented, he never had much of a crossover appeal. Great video from the detail. Long live the king of pop. 🎉
Facts.. absolutely
On some level, a lot of people never forgave Jermaine for staying with Motown instead of joining his brothers to Epic.
Then to add insult to injury, Motown wasted Jermaine (along with a lot of other Motown artists) instead of building him.
Jermaine discovered the DeBarge Family in the 1970s through the group Switch & DeBarge became new Motown stars.
Jermaine later produced Whitney Houston's blockbuster debut album in 1985.
He had so much talent as a producer & possibly an A&R man. Motown should have backed Jermaine STRONG.
If they did, I believe wholeheartedly that Motown would still be Black-owned & Black-run even today.
In the end, Jermaine had to leave Motown & try to rekindle the magic with his brothers.
But you can't go home again. And there's a giant difference between the music scene in 1975 & 1983.
Only 8 years difference but so much had drastically changed in the business as well as the culture in that time span.
He's trying to rejoin the Jacksons as Michael is ascending beyond the Jacksons.
The Victory Tour was the crossroads & Michael was a confirmed solo star even though he technically never left the group.
And the Jackson 5/Jacksons was built a certain way. They all had their roles to play in the band.
But what do you do without your bandleader? And the brothers are grown men by then mostly with families of their own.
It just wasn't the same. Joe Jackson was right. You get married, you kill the Jackson 5.
Michael was still single which allowed women to fantasize about nabbing him for themselves.
Randy was still single then & maybe he should have left the group too but it was all over once Janet broke through in 1986.
It's also a case of too many Jacksons. The industry had a Jackson quota & they needed one male & one female.
Michael was THE male Jackson, Janet became THE female Jackson.
The family had too many similarities in style to stand out from each other distinctively so male vs. female would have to do.
What would each Jackson's character be as a superstar? What kind of mystique could they conjure up for each Jackson?
Randy's a talented multi-instrumentalist but they already got a Prince & he's a fending off Michael himself already.
Rebbie's the best female Jackson singer but at heart she's a homemaker doing music as a side gig.
She won't play the sexpot like Madonna & the culture has no patience for happy homelife homilies. Where's the edge?
Jermaine wants to be the R&B crooner but is he doing the "woo-woo-woo-woo" like Luther Vandross?
Is he ready to get raunchy like his counterpart Bobby Brown of New Edition, the modern Jackson 5 descendant?
And what about Jackie's new R&B record? Will Jackie & Jermaine get mistaken for each other by the uninformed press?
They look a lot alike taking after their mother Katherine. Too many obstacles to overcome & it wasn't all his fault.
Motown wasted him but Jermaine also did not have the vision that Michael had.
Michael knew they were trying to quarantine Black presence in the industry which is why he sought the crossover.
The stakes were higher in the 1980s & Michael prepared for the changes while Jermaine wanted to stay the course.
It's a damn shame because I don't believe Jermaine gets the credit he deserves as an artist.
If Motown did right by him, things would have been entirely different for his career.
💯 beautifully said
This was an absolute perfect explanation!!!! You nailed it so beautifully! No one talks about any of these factors but it’s absolutely true! Thanks for this!
Dang I never read long comments but this one is on point 💯
That was deep
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Joe Jackson had serious faults as a father. He had personal demons before his kids came into the picture. But he was a brilliant band manager. His military approach to guiding the group from unknown to Motown superstars is genius. Michael himself acknowledged his talent but no one outside the group understood that.
So beautifully said 👊🏿
unfortunately he wasn't good to them and at the last minute wanted to make up with michael
@@limerobloxgaming8567At least Michael was able to forgive him & they were able to grow closer later on
I feel so bad for Jermaine. I wish that he could've been very successful in his own right.
Jermaine always stayed where he knew he would have an audience. Maybe if he had experimented more with his music (& maybe even found a gimmick like Michael's white glove) he would have had greater success
2300 Jackson Street IS, WAS, WILL ALWAYS BE an excellent song. I thank the Jackson Family for making it.
And you know it's a family anthem because even megastar Michael didn't refuse to participate in it.
Thriller & the Victory Tour changed everything for the Jackson Family & how they connected.
The barrier between Michael & his family would exist in some way for the rest of his life.
But even he knew it all comes back to the family which is why the icon of the Bad Era participated in audio AND video.
Janet the newest superstar in the family also made sure to participate. This was beyond fame & fortune.
It's their recalibration song. It's their unity song. It's the reminder for all of them never to forget their roots.
It's their family reunion song & it has a family reunion vibe. It definitely was for the love of the Jackson grandchildren.
Getting all 9 Jackson siblings together would be hell on Earth ever since the days of Motown & Las Vegas.
There's always one missing somewhere. We didn't see a full family unity in public until Michael's 2005 trial.
It's sad that LaToya was the odd one out this time around.
But 2300 Jackson Street is a call to arms. Come together & remember family before all of this fame & fortune.
💯 Marlon Jackson wasn’t on the 2300 Jackson Street album, single & Music video. Just saying
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Michael was he even did his famous adlibs in it and had a longer version in the demo
@@ST-nz4bf I knew he wasn't with the group at the time & was not on the video but I thought he DID have a part in the 2300 Jackson Street song. Am I wrong on that?
@@thepubknight6144 Oh I gotta find this demo! Didn't even think about there being a demo!
You think you know everything there is to know as a Jackson fan yet there's always more to know.
That's why I love this family!!
I love that song
I actually quite enjoyed 2300 Jackson Street, but on the record you could tell that the same energy from Triumph for example was no longer there regardless of the combined talent. They were older and no longer completely on the same wavelength despite individually being more talented than they were before.
It'd be interesting to have a take on Janet being the only one who stepped out of Michael's shadow. I wonder if Jermaine saw that coming.
Not even Michael saw Janet coming
@@for-house-stark facts...Janet is my baby...she has been a cutie from birth
@@MOLICIOUS69fr
The only thing Jermaine needed to do was do more SOLO concert tours.
He did in 1986-1987 for Precious Moments but most of those shows were low budget/underground.
If Jermaine did a You Said tour or Don't Take It Personal tour, or 2300 with his brothers Jackie, Tito, and Randy. Then he'd have higher billboard placement.
And then JJ stopped after You Said. Shame.
Yeah exactly. It sucks when people have talent and builds to a certain level of success but then they choose the lame life instead. And Jermaine be the main one talking in the media for the family... at least he leaded the Unity Tour
Falling in love with the michael everyday.
I really be waiting for all these series like a TV show. But let's gooooo
literallyyy
Same!
It's wild because The Jackson's run is pretty much over but their history is arguably more entertaining than 80% of modern entertainment. 😂
Michael Jackson was the heart and soul of the group….once you take that out you kinda lose the essence and identity as a whole…..love the Jackson’s all together tho
Agree 100%😊
I'm really sad that Michael didn't stop his music career, to focus on him becoming an movie director! Miss him still!
Everyone in the Jackson family is ambitious and talented. but no one has more talent than Michael❤
No one was as ambitious and strategic as Michael either. He wasn't just more talented than any of them, he also had a bigger vision and enormous ambitions
@@for-house-stark I absolutely agree with you
Damn I just realized after seeing that 2300 Jackson Street video a million times that Marlon isn’t present in the video even though he was on the song. That’s wild to see when even Michael made it to the video. Marlon was definitely doing in his own thing as it appears lol.
Would be great @the detail if you could explore Michael’s history in the rock genre someday. His rock songs and music videos are arguably his finest!
That would be cool!
Все Джексоны очень талантливы и красивы,но Майкл уникальный!!Очень печально,что так рано погиб!!Спи спокойно,король наших сердец!!❤😢
Jermaine is actually a really good singer with a lot of good music not really sure why he didn’t blow up though 🤔….
Jermaine wasn't necessarily iconic, he didn't really standout I guess but Michael had his own signature dance moves and style.
@@KING-rq2cq What would you say he should’ve done differently 🤔? Didn’t seem like he tried to be Michael or Janet
@@kadarmuhammad5059 He just didn't have the spark, the charisma, to be a mega star of that level IMO. The only other Jackson sibling I see being that huge was Randy (refer to his solo album, quite good), but he seems to always have been a troublesome individual. Maybe LaToya but she was never really that talented musically.
I think Jermaine had a spark but unfortunately he went with others people of what they wanted him to be as an artist. He never was able to truly be himself though.
Randy is a beast !! However like you said he was pretty troubled his album stands up pretty well and he seemed to know who he was as an artist something Jermaine seemed to know. @@unusuariomas7163
All of them are good singers
Tito also he sang and wrote "we can change the world" on the "Victory" album
He gets mocked yet he's also a great singer
you guys are getting a lot of mileage out of that intro 😂 i swear I've heard those exact words to open a video of this channel like 4 times
It’s only 20 secs long
Hey look you know something I love all the Jackson’s,they will always have a place special in the world of music.
In between, in 1987, The Jacksons released the single "Time Out for the Burglar"
I actually like that song!! 😊 but it sucks that song isn’t even on Spotify
As much as I love the Jackson 5, Michael would have been just fine if Motown had only signed him. In fact, he’d probably have reached Thriller level superstar status sooner than he had done.
If Jermaine wasn't such a womanizer, and trying so hard to compete with MJ, perhaps he could have pulled off something great of his own, at Motown, but folk have to remember, that envy-like spirit that Jermaine had toward MJ was deeper than them as a group at Motown, it actually started when their parents discovered lil Michaels voice & talent....and put him ahead of Jermaine as the groups new frontman when yhey were judt kids! I believe that festered in Jermain for quite somtime, especially once MJ went off to embark on his own! The brothers saw MJ's talent early just as their parents did. And i believe MJ got away from them, not only to do his own album & career, but also he was the "blacksheep of the brothers.....they kinda bullied Mike with condescending words toward him, that they apparently didnt see as a bigcdeal.
I agree I feel like they treated him more of a musical gain whilst he was still in the group than a brother. They even guilt tripped him into doing the Victory Tour and Pepsi Commercial (where he got burnt) and he really didn't want to. It's such a shame cause he had such a special and sensitive heart
4:23 marlon & latoya weren't in the video but marlon is on the song
Crazy cause their Irish twins, triplets if you count Brandon
@Liltopda225 😂😂😂😂😂what?
I did notice watching the video as well no LaToya or Marlon SMH 🤦🏽♂️
@@Liltopda225what do you mean... Latoya is exactly one year older than Marlon and two years older than Michael.
@@MOLICIOUS69 she’s actually 10 months older than Marlon. Latoya-May/1956 Marlon March/1957. I typed that wen I was high af, didn’t think anyone would reply😂
special thanks to the author of the channel for telling us about Michael’s work
i think Jermaine thought that having the same last name as Michael meant he had to prove he had just as much talent.. and that wasn't the case. He also wasn't as ambitious as his younger brother.. you're body of work comes from your ambition.. and Jermaine was busy doing other things.. can you imagine Michael using his time to entertain making babies with one of his brother's wives, instead of using his time to make music that excites people's lives.
Exactly
Great video wish it was a little longer though I wanted to see Michael’s reaction to the diss track
Next instalment!
Ok, Thank you@@thedetail.
I Love Your videos❤❤❤
Thank you!
I don't Blame Michael
Mannn can't wait for when this series gets to the Word 2 the Badd part...
Next instalment
I love the Jackson’s. I always have, and I always will. I grew up with the Jackson’s, and they are number one to me. I love them all so much🔥🔥👏👏🙌🙌🤗🥰🤗🥰💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞
Another great video though i wish it was a little longer i wanted to see michael's reacting to the diss track
It's simple. Jermaine was getting old. Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson were still young to the pop audience. Jermaine just got too old, not matter what he did, thus he should had focus on diversifying, perform older hits, or just make ballads and make music that he loves. But no matter what he did, he wasn't going to outsell MJ and Janet.
Age does matter in the music business.
He wanted to go Solo
Who ?
Michael
Jermaine Jackson was corny period but that comment saying his album would be in the discount area by Easter had me dying laughing 🤣🤣
😂😂
Jermain tried to hard especially, when he knew the masses loved MJ,. We didn't care that they were brothers, we weren't taken Jermain crap! He didn't even give us , what MJ gave, he gave his all and was genuine and heart felt! We felt that Jermain was only thinking of himself and not even the other brothers. They could've kept the Jackson brothers going if they put work into it. They wanted Michael to still carry them and he tired of that and it showed. The brothers got lazy and cried to their mother, to try to keep forcing Michael to carry them because, they knew with MJ meant more money for them and more work for MJ. I'm glad he stood firm because, we received a lifetime of beautiful word that still today, gives us pleasure and excitement! We love you still Michael ❤ 💜!! I guess Jermain is trying to ride his son Jaafar coat tail with MJ biopic! Just do well young man and we support you. Just give your dad some errands to keep him busy and out of your hair! # Jaafar, # Jermain # The Jackson family!
Джермейн всегда завидовал Майклу.
Very interesting. I thought don’t take it personal was about Hazel because Margret was in the picture .
That takes me back to NYC 1989..listening to that song going to school with my first Air Jordans.
Rivalry??? Michael was 3 million times more talented than Jermaine 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 once he left his brother's,there was no more Jackson's.
I know right😂😂there was no competition, he was the IT🤣🤣
Michael was the frontman of the jackson 5
Is it possible we can get an episode regarding the victory tour fiasco with Don king? I would love to learn more about this.
Jermaine doesnt lack talent but he was always a mid level talent. Not bad but not that great either.
The Jackson brothers are not the same without Michael. That much is clear.
They are not the same when any brother is missing. Them without Jermaine was not meshing even Michael said that
@@dctalk1117randy was alr
Very good 👍🌹✌love you Michael Jackson king family Jackson 💗💜💝👑💖💕
What rivalry?
Jermaine couldn't compete with Michael. No one could.
"Ain't nobody coming to see you Otis" (Jermaine).
i hate to be analytical but the odd thing about your comment is that (even though David Ruffin never said that line in real life, just the movie character) Both Otis and Jermaine outlived the "star" and now everyone is literally coming to see "Otis"
@@dctalk1117no one is coming to see Jermaine. Be for real. MJ been dead for 14yrs and he's still selling out shows not just on Broadway but around the world. The last football world cup, a Brazilian MJ impersonator sold out an MJ show to a crowd of 40,000 PEOPLE! So people are in fact still coming to see MJ even in death
The actor Leon portraying David Ruffin improvised that line in the movie. And it fits in Jermaine's case. Jermaine left the group to stay at Motown. He had decent success, but remained solo. But Michael was always bigger. For the Victory Tour, he sure did jump on Michael's wagon and joined the brothers. Fans paid to see Michael, not Jermaine. And people are coming to see Otis because he's the only one left. The Temptations group he has now are not the guys I grew up listening to. Jackie, Tito and Marlon are still performing, keeping the Jacksons alive. Where's Jermaine? Why isn't he with them?
@@tlhudsonart Yes everyone came to see Michael in the Victory tout and to be honest it should have never happened or at least should have happened later after Michael did a Thriller tour. however Michael was still apart of the Jacksons and only had 3 solo albums so most of his songs would have still been Jacksons songs. As far as Jermaine jumping on his band wagon I see it differently. The brothers, including Michael, wanted Jermaine to rejoin them for years. After the motown 25 reunion the brothers already decided to reunite, and this was before the motown 25 broadcast turned Michael Jackson into the King of Pop and made Thriller the best selling album of all time. So technically Jermaine rejoined his brothers before the Michael-mania of the 80s, but in the end the reunion actually ended up killing his career though
Is patetic how jelaous was jermaine of michael and janet, instead of be happy of the succesful of his own family.
Those albums were written and produced well, don’t understand the hate directed towards Jermaine.
Latoya was something else in the 80s. I spent many a night locked in my bathroom, just me and that playboy pictorial of hers
T.oo M.uch I.nformation....Toya is 67 she won't be too impressed by that
Let’s be honest , his brothers was mediocre and couldn’t keep up with Michael.
Absolutely
Nao existe rivalidade nenhuma mj e o maior artista de todos os tempos mj king
2300 jackson street is one of my favorite songs as much as i don’t like jermaines attitude and the things he did that song showed how talented he was
Man it sucks when people u used to enjoy try to ',keep up with the times" or be a "Hipster " and not only fail but suck and is awkward and sad. I remember my dad was like" warfare the Jackson 5 trying to look and be hip hop?! 😳 now that I'm old in glad my all times faves chose to stay retired or when they came back they changed just enough but stayed themselves that they were 20yrs ago...I honestly thought Slipknot would be like that....😫
I wish michael was more prominent on the 2300 jackson street at least half of the album. Because that album was so good, but it would have better with him singing on half of the tracks
Wow, Tito could dance
Yo 12th solo album 😶
Jermaine debut (1972)
Come into my life (1973)
My Name is Jermaine (1976)
Feel the Fire (1977)
Frontiers (1978)
Let's Get Serious 1/2 (1980)
Let's Get Serious 2/2 (1980)
I like your style (1981)
Tickle your fancy (1982)
Dynamite (1984)
Precious Moments (1986)
Don't Take It Personal (1989)
You Said (1991)
I wish you love (2012)
The attempt to pit this Black family against each other in the media is transparent.
I'm sure MJ did some behind the seen dirt to destroy Jermaine's chance to break out. The industry broke that family apart.
More like Jermaine ruined his own career with jealousy, womanizing, and lacking the drive to be a true solo star.
FALSE! Not even Jermaine or any jackson has ever claimed MJ destroyed their chance for success. Drop this excuse
@@for-house-starkExactly. Fans always blamed MJ but he helped them when he did not need to. Mj never wanted to do that Pepsi commercial but they begged him to and that horrible 3rd degree burn accident happened which affected him for life. They also begged him to do the Victory tour when he should have done the Thriller Tour instead. He decided that he had enough and I do not blame him for that.
Can I cry next reviews of the year 2008 and 2009?
To all the people that deny that Jermaine has talent, you try singing Jermaine solo songs by yourself and see if you can out-sing him.
You. Not somebody else. You.
Thank you! Mfs need to stop dissing the family. I honestly believe they are all on the same level of talent damn near. They just chose different paths. Michael wanted to world.
@@biingolewis7824 Michael wanted the 🌎?! WTH are you crying about
Instead of telling folks to outsing him why don't you practice what you preach and do it yourself... Michael Jackson was the best artist God ever made..Jermaine doesn't hold a candle to his brother..Michael could have done well by himself even before off the 🧱 and Thriller..he was the first to go solo and did well with it.
Por eso nunca sacan segunda parte de las películas que son un éxito...
jackson is not same with out michael he made that group
That's Definitely a no brainer
The group was formed before Michael joined, but his presence obviously added a lot
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The Greatest
Mj mito genio lenda king o maior de todos os tempos ❤
Jermaine needed a genre that suited his voice he was trying to do pop like michael and his voice wasnt meant for pop.
Much of JJ music was RnB though
@vincentguzman7056 yea but lets get serious was more pop also most of the brother's were trying to copy mjs swag the dance moves, and the clothes why not just be himself
Make a video about tatum oneal Michael Jackson relationship
This is coming
@@thedetail. thank u 💓
Without Mike, it just didn't seem like a real Jackson album. To be honest, Victory had Mike and that didn't seem like a real Jackson album either.
Can’t blame Michael for seperating himself from family. His siblings were jealous
Not true
Jermaine was but not the rest
Mj não tinha rival e o maior
But the album went PLATINUM that’s all it matters and the label did a poor job marketing the album
Lets be real without Joe Katherine Janet and *Michael* the Jacksons wouldn't be as iconic and Jermaine is trying to hold on to his siblings power, always mentioning MJ to get attention to this day. You can tell Jermaine loved MJ but he was also jealous even more
Michael jackson was destined to be Michael Jackson. Michael was gonna be Michael Jackson regardless..... jermaine was one of the background singers for Michael. Idc wat nobody says.. plus jermaine Jackson didnt know how to write songs. Michael jackson knew how to write songs ..... CATCHY ONES!😂 plus You cant compete against sumone who was destined to be who they where no matter what you DO!!
Its a shame that they weren't making music together by then, i don't get why michael never wanted to be part of it since than. Why wasn't Latoya there with her siblings? If michael wanted to focus on acting, then how do you explain that 3 years later he went back on tour just for charity.
Reason for Latoya's absence during that time, was because she was being brainwashed and abused by her dick of a husband Jack Gordon.
Everything has its limit. Michael had outgrown the Jackson's. He needed to leave them and grow. Together, they held each other back, not grow
Then how do you explain that the jacksons had one last hit just before they broke up? I'm saying this not you and would you reply to me? I'm just a 13 year old who knew the jacksons since I was 11. michael hated the victory tour and wanted to focus on his albums and its true that he had outgrown on his own brothers and leave since jermaine took over and they held each other back. The last song that went # 4 on the billboard rnb singles chart was nothing compares to you.
Jermaine is talented . But not as talented as Michael
Ain’t nobody come to see you Jermaine 🤣🤣🤣
The Unity tour was a success though. Obviously Michael wasn't there. Mike was dead. So why would a million people from 2012 to 2020 go see the Jacksons if Jermaine is leading?
SE VINIERON A BAJO lOS HERMANOS, Y SIEMPRE ENVIDIARON A MJ. MALOS HERMANOS
Jermaine is a hater button…
SACHEA
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Come on. Really. Jermaine the no charisma Second string Jackson. The lead singer. LOL.
Personal feelings don't equate to facts. Jermaine would lead if Michael wasn't available or if it was prompted that 2nd singer was needed. Example "I'll be there" "ABC" "I want you back"
Siete fissati con questa rivalità tra i fratelli???? Jermaine ha prodotto artisti di successo come Whitney Houston e i De Barge . La loro carriera è bellissima senza i vostri commenti inutili
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Henhas no talent problem is he thinks he does
It's time for you to investigate MJ allegations.
He has already done enough of that
Waco Jaco the great pedofiel
Eddy vander the great gullible dipshit
U took time out of your life to make a false punk ass comment? Do your research & stop being a dumbass
can't even spell!! 😂
@@terryismynametrue😂
We dont need your negativity ... Please think before saying anything stupid
The only good from Jackson family was Michael. that's it. the rest just rest on Him.
Jermain is always trying