Good video. Interesting you didn't really talk about the religion itself at all. Maybe it isn't the best topic for your channel, but I am interested in how Asians (particularly Chinese) end up in a Christian church instead of something different like a Buddhist temple. Especially given, like you mentioned, an analytical approach to the subject matter. Seems like a little analysis would make you realize it is a bunch of baloney.
This is actually pretty relatable for a lot of us ABCs. On Saturdays we had Chinese school and on Sundays we had Chinese church. Our parents encouraged it because it was a wholesome environment and also allowed them to connect with the Chinese community. Even though I don’t go anymore now that I’m older, I do have good memories from youth group and the friends I made and experiences we shared.
Great observations from a different era. i know exactly which church you went to, as there are people here in SE King County who know you 'way back when'. But I have to say that we have all learned from YOUR experiences, and church today is much more relevant. Those of us who stayed in the faith and now have kids have made the changes in focus and programming so that it will be relevant, whether you are a recent immigrant or second generation. You will also find that as you get older (and also start losing people of your parents' generation), it makes you think about the eternal aspects of what you grew up with, rather than just the irrelevances and 'boring' stuff that you thought was 'boring' at that time. Certain truths and principles are timeless, that's why the Christian faith has surved over 2000 years.
My experience at Chinese church was very similar. Where I'm from, the Chinese church community was quite large and interconnected, so it was unique being part of a group where many people were always looking out for you. I also resonate with the last point about how it trains you to think outside of yourself. The act of self reflection and striving to be better is not something that many youth actively do, and this training / mentorship aspect was very impactful in terms of how it shapes your life moving forward. I think Asian churches are unique in the sense that they tend to meld many of their cultural values with those of the Bible, so many people are indoctrinated with certain beliefs that aren't necessarily always rooted in scripture.
30 years ago, I joined a Baptist church in the south when I was in college, I was the only non-white member in the church, it too was a boring church, I usually took a nap, it has a friendly congregation. I was fortunately enough to be invited having dinners with many church members in their homes. Come to think of it, it's quite a nostalgic memory.
There really is nothing more than being invited over for dinner 🍽️ Seems simple seems small, but In this day and age with how distant people have become, it's something that can't be overlooked now! Maybe I'm just getting older!
As a Filipino Roman Catholic, I find going to Mass in English, Tagalog Korean very chill, meditative and thought provoking because the priests in my parishes are very direct with their sermons and also active what we as a faith community by doing various activities for Catholic ministries, missionaries and others. The fellowships with the parishioners and clergymen are very helpful and supportive of their efforts and faith formation for other parishioners and even those that are interested joining Catholic Churchz
My adult children are mixed, black & white, but practically grew up in the Korean/American church! I was a youth leader in several Korean/American churches before my daughter was born, so that's all she knew all her young life. She is even thinking of getting a tattoo of her name in Hangul! lol
I hate going to church growing up in NYC Chinatown. I hated how they never practice what they preach or taught to ppl. They lacked empathy, understanding, and forgiveness. I wasn't the most behaved child growing up but at least being at a church you should be able to surround yourself with kind ppl and most of the time, it wasn't the case
I can't imagine how much better it could have been in a place like that, a lot of assumptions and interpolation going on there but When it comes to something like that, you just have to appreciate the fact that it does exist
Hated going to church on sundays growing up when I just wanted to sleep. I would get pulled out of bed and get smacked if I refused. I'm grown up now and don't go to church anymore because churches only cater to families and married people, and I feel awkward when I go so I tend to avoid it.
This brought back church memories. I grew up Catholic with an hour and a half for mass and 3 hours of Sunday School with textbooks and workbooks. Don't forget the time for confession and the delay in mass starting. Looking back, it was kind of calming because it was really quiet but being a kid at the time, 1 minute felt like 10 minutes.
Yes same Im currently doing bible studies and I remember that church that I was baptized Is the same school/church I went to for Saturday Chinese school in my younger years😬
It was so interesting hearing y’all’s perspective on this topic and reading everyone’s comments. I grew up going to the same baptist church up until college. The congregation was made up of ABC’s and had English and Cantonese services. While it was a place for both worship and community, it did have its issues, but what organized religion/organization/group doesn’t? I currently am part of a bible study group not affiliated with the same church but am still a believer and follower of Christ. I visit my home church occasionally on Sundays but it’s not the same anymore and I’m not either. The church itself can have negative aspects to it, but don’t let that stop one’s walk with their faith. I’ve had both good and bad experiences from church.
I grew up in a Chinese church in Singapore, and boy was it competitive. Once, after a nationwide exam, our SS teacher did a poll on who got which grades, and we had to raise our hands based on our grade tier lol
Hmong here. Went to church as long as I’ve been breathing. Good points tho! I actually attend a Chinese English church now and you bring up so many relatable things lol.
The Asian American church experiment / experience, is a hot topic for me! It just the kind of place that amplifies the Asian part in all of us, outside of the rest of the week we all ultimately live in America. I'm Hmong, so not having my own country is another dynamic that makes it complicated, add it to the list of complicated things about being Asian and American and Christian, Or Not.
I can talk on this subject forever, but one thing I'll point out is that I think older generation Asians can be pretty superstitious in general. And going into Christianity they tend to trade one form of superstition for another. I remember close family friends, who became evangelical Christian, warning us not to go to the cemetery anymore to do qingming, because it was "demonic ancestral worship". To us it was just a part of our culture. It's sad to me that some people let religion erase their culture. Oh yea, and they also told us our grandparents and other ancestors went to hell. That's evangelicalism for you.
Christianity has been around for thousands of years. Beliefs about demonic entities is present in cultures around the world absent of Christianity so I would heed their warnings. People from all over the world have reported hauntings as something that's very real and people go to psychic all the time. Just because something is apart of a culture doesn't mean its right. In Fiji cannibalism was apart iTaukei culture, child sacrifice was apart of Mayan culture and my parents old religion Hinduism, caste based discrimination was apart of Indian culture. In other parts of the world child marriages as young as 12 are apart of their culture. I wouldn't get hung up on cultural norms when searching for truth. If hell is real a minor offense from words doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. What absolutely is real is death, it can come suddenly and we're all going to face it, then we're going to find out what was said that was real and what wasn't. If you make the wrong choice it will be too late, nobody is going to be able help you eternity is forever. Instead of writing off Christianity before you die it would be wise to look at the evidence for it objectively, start with investigative journalist Lee Strobel's work, he wrote the book The Case for Christ and lays out the evidence for Christianity there. Look at William Lane Craig's work as well as Laurence Tisdall's work. And if you still aren't convinced, fine, at the very least Christianity gives you the option to believe or disbelieve with no threat of imprisonment or death today if you don't believe it unlike some other religious, non religious and political views out there currently.
@@Law19157 You're definitely biased towards christianity i can clearly see that. Hindus caste practice wasn't birth based in old times but merit based but slowly and slowly due to human greed ,it became a rigid system. Secondly you're comparing western Christianity with other's. Compare the condition of christianity in third world countries with other religions and you will find christianity as worse as the others. A strict socio- religious structure with no freedom of expression , Christianity in Sub-Saharan Africa is as brutal and nasty as Islam.
I enjoy learning about different church experiences- especially how culture plays a part in services. While I grew up going to primarily very small American churches I have gone to a Pingelapese church (Micronesian/Pacific Islander) a couple of times around Portland, Oregon. I will say church is a big way that the Pingelapese community bands together in the US. It's a very important place for many because just about everybody from Pingelap goes to church back home so it gives immigrants to the US a familiar setting in this country that is very different from Micronesia. I would be interested to see more about you two growing up in Asian church.
Great topic! I had a positive experience growing up in my Chinese church. As you said, church reinforced the moral teaching of my parents. Funny that you show Seattle people speaking with a Southern accent. They don't sound like that at all.
TLDR; My mom was the OG Church Hopper! I grew up in a low-income family with a single mother who dragged three crazy monkeys to church every single Sunday. My mom eventually made her rounds to ever single Chinese church in our city at the time that she knew about after separating from my dad. We needed people in our lives as much as she needed childcare 😂 She made us all pile into either her car, someone else’s car or even a van to get to church. I was once at a youth rally at a huge Chinese church and these youth leaders organizing the whole thing were from different churches but all knew me because my family church hopped to each of their churches, and they asked me which church I went to, to which I replied pointing at each respective person, “I go to your church, your church, and your church, but not your church“ 😂 I totally identify with the different socioeconomic backgrounds, the hierarchy, popularity contest, constant comparison, and the different Chinese diasporic groups. As a kid, most of the churches were boring, many had their problems, some might have landed us in therapy later on, a couple of them ended up dying, but there were at least there was one kept us there, alive, and off the streets by being connected through community. I’m grateful for the experience it taught me not only diversity amongst the different churches but also amongst different Chinese churches as well as trying to find your peeps. It also taught me how to live with a purpose, care for others who otherwise might not be cared for and ultimately to celebrate and champion the fact that God made me Asian. Anyways, thanks @fungbros for making this! Felt like an homage in some ways ❤
David! Please please have a mic stand man! Stopping holding it😅😅😅. Great video bros, grew up in Burmese Church in New York City, very similar experiences.
Wow never thought you guys would bring up the topic of Asian churches. I grew up in a Chinese church and I still go to church, but I've moved away from majority Asian churches. Definitely pros and cons but where I'm currently at, I think a more diverse church is for me.
If you think of it as an extension of government, I think that can help I don't go to church, and I pay my taxes and manage my own money. I really don't trust other people with my money, Not my money but the money, I'm given.
I grew up in Asian churches my whole life and loved it, which is saying something because the youth group at my church was underfunded, dysfunctional and at times toxic. Despite all that, it was the time I could be around other Asian people (I lived in a small rural area where most of my friends were white). I feel like they are heavily modeled after white churches. #2 didn't really happen for me though, most people in most churches I went to was middle to upper middle class. The thing about single mothers was another thing I couldn't relate to. Growing up, I was one of only two people who grew up with single mothers (both of our fathers died when we were young) and everyone else grew up in seemingly perfect families.
OMG...I can't believe I am admitting to this!! My parents made us go to Chinese Church, and I remember when I was about 17, in the Chinese Church, there is a section for where all the adults go...which is the main service, and then there are Sunday School classes, divided by age groups and so forth...and I remember ditching church, once everyone was in the church, my friend, who has her drivers license already, picked me up and we would go to go play arcade for about 50 minutes, and then come back and drop me back off at the church, when service is over. And of course, the minister's wife saw me left, and my parents said to me that the following Sunday, I would have to sit with them the following Sunday...Guess what I did?? I found a Part-time job and told employer...I'd be happy to work on Sundays!!!!!! Guess what? They hired me!
Interesting perspective...thanks for sharing! I'm black and often wonder what it's like in other churches. God bless y'all for showing that church is not a place for perfect people, but for people who strive to have relationship with God and impact the world through the Bible. I'd like to hear more on this.
Been to a few different Asian churches growing up. Went to an evangelical church once and they tried to convert me the first time I attended, the pastor's wife who was trying to convert me kept telling me that Jesus was telling her I was ready. I kept telling her no I'm not ready lol. Didn't really like this church as they were a bit too fanatical and conservative. Went to another evangelical church youth group and they were doing the letting the holy spirit into you by touching your forehead thing. The people were fainting and falling to the floor left right and centre. We hid up the back behind the chairs so they wouldn't do it to us 😂 Last of all a Baptist church and at the end of the services there was a potluck at the end of every Sunday service which was the best. You could always see some people up the back of the church with their bums halfway off the seat waiting for the service to end so they could rush to the food at the end of the service, so hilarious 😂 This church was a lot more normal in my opinion.
I attended a multi-Asian American church, mostly Japanese folk at first, than the church grew and we saw a huge growth of other Asian races. Made lifelong friends, still hangout with them. Our kids grew up together. Most of us were tech workers and other professionals. Original members of this church were folks from WW2 internment camps. Good influence on me and my family. No regrets.
O.M.G. thanks for hitting this topic I feel it's so important. The thing I learned about Asian culture, we really are "Communist" 'community-based per-say societal structure. Eastern European practice can lean that way too, especially in the socialist, northern states. Christianity would like to have us think we can love and all be equal, but there are cultural, cultural factors that come into play. If you guys don't talk about this, I can't think of a more legit way for an Asian American, Authority , and who has the Right, and decency, not just the money. To bring it up I'm not sure what it is, but I want Asian Americans to get away from conformist attitudes, especially towards Actual, America. Don't turn your back on your blood and heritage, and cultural practice. It's written in the language. It's not worth divorcing our ethnic Asian background from where we want to go
Fung Bros, awesome to hear how Christianity played a role in your lives. Followed Jesus in my late 20s and haven’t looked back. Man, I would love for y’all to come through and visit ours. Anybody welcome :) we here in Long Beach, CA. During Covid we learned how to stream online, page is First Pentecostal Church of God. God bless everyone. It’s a little late, but happy New Years!
Church was and still is essential in my family. I'm Laotian American and my family were refugees from the Vietnam war. The church was one of the entities that was there for my family. It was a weird dynamic growing up as a kid because I would go back and forth at church, from lao to white conservative. Our Lao Thai mission at my church had people that were from other southeast asian descent. That really exposed me to culture and my identity. Now I'm the youth director at a church and telling my story to students really puts in perspective. It's been all God bro.
I thought most Asians mainly go to an Asian church to play basketball. The basketball skills they learn playing church ball let's you move up to highschool ball or club ball.
The picture you guys chose for your video thumbnail is interesting. The man in the picture is Pastor Wang Yi, a Chinese Presbyterian pastor an underground church currently under heavy persecution in China itself. Nothing much to say beyond that, but do pray for his safety (if that’s your thing)
I'm white I was a Bible believing Christian for over 30 years , but Buddhism just makes more sense to me (a guy sits under a tree vs. god turns into man, dies for our sins, resurrected), are these Asian churches growing or shrinking these days?
Catholic Asian American Filipino myself so there is no pure Filipino Catholic Church (specifically a church based for a majority of one race/culture), but when I do remember visiting other Christian Denominations churchs for their services sometimes, they are more upbeat and fun vibes (went to a majority white christian church). I do recall hearing that black churchs are really upbeat as well. I will admit though that going to more quiet services like catholic mass can be boring for children because I remember feeling like that as a kid. Not the most exciting thing or something a kid looks forward too on a sunday weekend morning. Even now, sometimes I have to drag myself up in the morning to go mass (I'm in my 30's now). Not trying to start a religion debate, just mentioning this as an aside (please don't come at me please or and don't start a religion debate, wrong place and time), but now after understanding the meaning of our church service, at least I see the purpose of going and I choose to go on own. But as a kids, yea I totally get it, it wasn't a thing I looked forward to.
That’s interesting. I’m Vietnamese and go to a Vietnamese Catholic Church and it’s pretty chill and surprisingly more politically liberal than I expected looking at a typical American church environment that was conservative. Our church also is pretty involved and have lots of events and organizations which allowed me to learn more about my culture and language that growing up in the US and the American education system didn’t give me. We also had younger Vietnamese attendees that helped to modernize our services to make it more engaging but also purposeful and not just filler. And as I grow older and become more independent I find that my social circle I developed from church have almost become my main social group especially with how society has changed in past few years. One thing that’s interesting though about Vietnamese churches are that Vietnamese priests may be prone to gossip as many Vietnamese people are which makes for interesting conversations with our priests😂.
@@tzenzhongguo In what other ways can you be politically liberal? Idk being moderate to liberal on the political scale. Supporting women and minorities in church structure. Believing in science and empirical research. I think you know what I mean by politically liberal unless you’ve been living under a rock or haven’t gone to school.
@@thanhdinh3179 what kind of science concervstives don’t believe in? We use guns, computers, smart phones, work in the defense industry. I like how they’re are some very right wing Viets. Pretty cool to see RVN flags at Trump and MAGA rally’s. Sane with the ROC & ROK flags.
@@thanhdinh3179 what’s up with you unpatriotic and subversive liberals with belobe in science. True conservatives (MAGA ists), Russian & CCP all believe in STEM sciences not that bullshit gender studies, CRT, queer theory shit. We are ethnic minorities in America but screw BLM, Antifa, and especially fuck the ACLU (look up Vincent Chen and how the local chapter said he’s civil rights weren’t violated when he was murdered). Another thing about you bobas is not Asian hate when Imperial Japan, North Vietnam, and Mainland China all habe governments that are openly hostile to the U.S..
@@tzenzhongguo When did I say conservatives don’t believe in science? Just like any other group of people there are those who do believe in science and those who don’t. And just because people use technology doesn’t mean they support scientific thinking. You could clearly see that during the pandemic.
Mom made me go to church when I was younger. Although I hated going.. I always looked forward to eating!!! I went to a Korean church and the grub... Seriously some good grubs were had and that's the only thing I miss. 😅
Oh this was cool going into your life a bit! Yeah I went to church for a little while as a kid, but we went to a very white uu church where luckily because it was uu, we weren't forced to believe in anything. I know the benefits of community service and being a part of a community, but I feel uneasy about religion being that spot for a kid since they're so young and impressionable.. I'd say just make your kid do community service, or do it as a family each week or something where you're not forced into not being able to think critically for fear of rejection by that group
Chinese Church was great. They helped new immigrants. They organized lots of events. They provided a community and a network. Sunday school was really boring, so the rebellious kids would skip class lol. And Veggie Tales. lol
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🌍 You two are quite engaging, & entertaining. Here's a request: As young Asian Americans, what were the "pros & cons," or "ups & downs" of your interactions with Black Americans, (specifically?) I'm Black, spent my first two years of High school in Hawaii. My school had a clear Asian majority. Although I'm a LOT older now, 😂 that brief period had a pretty significant impact on my World view. So anyway, what were some of your most memorable moments in that regard? 🌎🗿
Chinese church bingo: Spicy cold noodle made with spaghetti. Fry rice. ma po tofu. Chicken legs and chicken thighs. Hating on liberals, Centrist, Obama and “lazy non-asians”. “My kid got into Ivy leagues because we were faithful.” “My kid interned at top tech/wall st.“ “My husband cheated multiple times but we forgive him.” Real estate agents lurking around. “We grew up together in this church so if you come late, expect cold shoulder.” Competition among single female is high because males are so few. Speakers telling stories ignoring part of the plot to make themselves sound like the good guy. Impromptu prayer with standard sentence structure and key phrases.
I relate to your experience, I feel like it was like that back then because most of the leaders then were immigrants. Things are different these days because there are more Chinese-Americans now.
When you consistently see answers to your prayers, when you get healed of some bodily issue, when you get baptized in the Holy Spirit and start speaking in heavenly tongues you come to realize how real the God of the Bible actually is and you subsequently continue to go to church. It's unfortunate that so many kids just go through the motions in Church and never come to know and experience the God of the Bible i.e. God the Father Jehovah, God the Son Jesus Christ, God the Holy Spirit for themselves. Jeremiah 29:13 NKJV - "And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." Luke 11:13 NKJV - "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Back in Fiji my parents were Hindus but then my parents house became haunted. Fiji isn't known for earthquakes only Cyclones and Hurricanes but those storms aren't powerful enough to shake the house because homes are made from concrete. So a dog would howl outside then a demonic spirit would enter the house and start shaking the bed, start opening and closing doors, throw plates, bowels, spoons, knives and other things out of their drawers and unto the floor. The lights would flicker on and off my parents were terrified. At first they went to a Hindu priest to correct the issue and for a short time it worked but then it got worse. Then my dad heard about a local Pastor from a Pentecostal Christian Church and he asked that Pastor for help, he wasn't even thinking about being loyal to Hinduism at this point he was just desperate for the haunting to stop. When that Pastor prayed the haunting ceased for good and my dad was convinced that Jesus Christ was real so after that he started going to Church and convinced my mom to convert also. Today he's a Pastor running his own church and makes trips to Fiji every summer to preach the Gospel and he operates in gifts of healing. Whoever has some kind of physical problem they end up being healed after my Dad prays for them. A lot of the time they don't come up and don't tell anyone what's going with their bodies my Dad just knows and calls them up its insane. I really wouldn't swipe left on Christianity its very real. Heaven is real, Jesus Christ is real and hell is also very real. Nobody should die without believing on the name of Jesus Christ first, he's the only way to get into heaven. Due to the caste system I would have never remained a Hindu as an adult, and if not for my experiences with Christianity I would have been Agnostic today. As a child I believed in Christianity but I never took it serious, I didn't want to go to church but my parents made me. As a teen I wanted real solutions to my problems not prayers, I lived a very secular life but at 17 years of age I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and that changed everything. Go back to church man, don't leave planet earth without getting to know Jesus Christ on a personal level. Time flies and the end will be here before you know it.
Dude, I go to a Hindu temple and it is so similar to what you guys described your church experience as. The Gujrati are the dominant group so they always get their way and the rest of us are kind of scrambling to get things done for our ethnic groups. I guess politics at places of worship is a real thing 🤷
I white but what I seen the younger generation is branch to more multiracial churches in the large cities. I when church in Plano tx was majority white how ever there was noticeable increase in asians in the millennial generation and most of them where native born Americans.
I’m glad these guys ended with something positive about church in general. All this despite some of the difficult experiences. This could have easily been a dump on religion.
I feel like Asian people in America, they have an obligation to keep it real and legit and always carry a real vibe Ultimately it's too easy for Asians to be conformists, not just to themselves and amongst themselves but towards Americans. And I just wanna say we lose something there. We may gain something, but we can lose something there too The first Asian church I went too, I realize in hindsight It was really stratified. My parents worked hard, but that wasn't only enough to reach the bottom of the middle class tier. When some of these Asian people are definitely up there no lie. And Asians can be stingy too at
Was curious what they had to say about this topic as I grew up in a Chinese church in Milpitas. My thing is just - please don’t try to speak about the church from a faith perspective. Don’t know if these guys are Christian, but church is not *just* a social thing. And yes you can learn great lessons by attending church, but that’s not the only thing. Just seems a little dismissive about why people go to church. If you’re just talking about your experience, totally fine, but please just leave it at that.
I like watching you guys talk about some of the most intriguing and interesting things...but just need to say this to David...you are so energetic and lively but please you have got to stop interrupting Andrew through mid explanation respectively...he never gets to finish what he is saying...it make me feel kind of sorry for him...love you guys.
Bro 😂 church is boring no matter where you at i’ve attended church in multiple cities in both China and America people go to church mostly because they are just lonely
The thing that perplexed me the most about Asian church is how non-native and not-natural of a thing it is compared to the traditional culture of whatever Asian society your roots are. Abrahamic religions are basically colonialism in Asia, and often conflict with Asian cultural practices. Many times you’re encouraged to leave behind your own Asian identity in order to fully practice a western religion, which just seems so odd.
Yeah, can definitely tell the way they talk about church as if it's a community centre, rather than a hospital for sinners to find spiritual healing and have a relationship with God.
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Good video. Interesting you didn't really talk about the religion itself at all. Maybe it isn't the best topic for your channel, but I am interested in how Asians (particularly Chinese) end up in a Christian church instead of something different like a Buddhist temple. Especially given, like you mentioned, an analytical approach to the subject matter. Seems like a little analysis would make you realize it is a bunch of baloney.
This is actually pretty relatable for a lot of us ABCs. On Saturdays we had Chinese school and on Sundays we had Chinese church. Our parents encouraged it because it was a wholesome environment and also allowed them to connect with the Chinese community. Even though I don’t go anymore now that I’m older, I do have good memories from youth group and the friends I made and experiences we shared.
Great observations from a different era. i know exactly which church you went to, as there are people here in SE King County who know you 'way back when'. But I have to say that we have all learned from YOUR experiences, and church today is much more relevant. Those of us who stayed in the faith and now have kids have made the changes in focus and programming so that it will be relevant, whether you are a recent immigrant or second generation. You will also find that as you get older (and also start losing people of your parents' generation), it makes you think about the eternal aspects of what you grew up with, rather than just the irrelevances and 'boring' stuff that you thought was 'boring' at that time. Certain truths and principles are timeless, that's why the Christian faith has surved over 2000 years.
My experience at Chinese church was very similar. Where I'm from, the Chinese church community was quite large and interconnected, so it was unique being part of a group where many people were always looking out for you. I also resonate with the last point about how it trains you to think outside of yourself. The act of self reflection and striving to be better is not something that many youth actively do, and this training / mentorship aspect was very impactful in terms of how it shapes your life moving forward. I think Asian churches are unique in the sense that they tend to meld many of their cultural values with those of the Bible, so many people are indoctrinated with certain beliefs that aren't necessarily always rooted in scripture.
30 years ago, I joined a Baptist church in the south when I was in college, I was the only non-white member in the church, it too was a boring church, I usually took a nap, it has a friendly congregation. I was fortunately enough to be invited having dinners with many church members in their homes. Come to think of it, it's quite a nostalgic memory.
There really is nothing more than being invited over for dinner 🍽️
Seems simple seems small, but
In this day and age with how distant people have become, it's something that can't be overlooked now! Maybe I'm just getting older!
As a Buddhist, it’s interesting hearing about Asian churches. Good content guys
Great video! I also love that you acknowledge socioeconomic differences from your experiences because not everyone is in the same playing field!
As a Filipino Roman Catholic, I find going to Mass in English, Tagalog Korean very chill, meditative and thought provoking because the priests in my parishes are very direct with their sermons and also active what we as a faith community by doing various activities for Catholic ministries, missionaries and others. The fellowships with the parishioners and clergymen are very helpful and supportive of their efforts and faith formation for other parishioners and even those that are interested joining Catholic Churchz
My adult children are mixed, black & white, but practically grew up in the Korean/American church! I was a youth leader in several Korean/American churches before my daughter was born, so that's all she knew all her young life. She is even thinking of getting a tattoo of her name in Hangul! lol
I hate going to church growing up in NYC Chinatown. I hated how they never practice what they preach or taught to ppl. They lacked empathy, understanding, and forgiveness. I wasn't the most behaved child growing up but at least being at a church you should be able to surround yourself with kind ppl and most of the time, it wasn't the case
I can't imagine how much better it could have been in a place like that, a lot of assumptions and interpolation going on there but
When it comes to something like that, you just have to appreciate the fact that it does exist
Then check out buddhism
Hated going to church on sundays growing up when I just wanted to sleep. I would get pulled out of bed and get smacked if I refused. I'm grown up now and don't go to church anymore because churches only cater to families and married people, and I feel awkward when I go so I tend to avoid it.
Lol 😆 I didn't have a choice, I had to attend the services.
Topics like this is why I am subbed to this channel and watch every video. Keep it up Fung Bros!
This brought back church memories. I grew up Catholic with an hour and a half for mass and 3 hours of Sunday School with textbooks and workbooks. Don't forget the time for confession and the delay in mass starting. Looking back, it was kind of calming because it was really quiet but being a kid at the time, 1 minute felt like 10 minutes.
Yes same Im currently doing bible studies and I remember that church that I was baptized Is the same school/church I went to for Saturday Chinese school in my younger years😬
best episode you ever had. consider doing an episode on korean and Filipino churches
It was so interesting hearing y’all’s perspective on this topic and reading everyone’s comments. I grew up going to the same baptist church up until college. The congregation was made up of ABC’s and had English and Cantonese services. While it was a place for both worship and community, it did have its issues, but what organized religion/organization/group doesn’t? I currently am part of a bible study group not affiliated with the same church but am still a believer and follower of Christ. I visit my home church occasionally on Sundays but it’s not the same anymore and I’m not either. The church itself can have negative aspects to it, but don’t let that stop one’s walk with their faith. I’ve had both good and bad experiences from church.
I grew up in a Chinese church in Singapore, and boy was it competitive. Once, after a nationwide exam, our SS teacher did a poll on who got which grades, and we had to raise our hands based on our grade tier lol
Hmong here. Went to church as long as I’ve been breathing. Good points tho! I actually attend a Chinese English church now and you bring up so many relatable things lol.
The Asian American church experiment / experience, is a hot topic for me!
It just the kind of place that amplifies the Asian part in all of us, outside of the rest of the week we all ultimately live in America.
I'm Hmong, so not having my own country is another dynamic that makes it complicated, add it to the list of complicated things about being Asian and American and Christian, Or Not.
I can talk on this subject forever, but one thing I'll point out is that I think older generation Asians can be pretty superstitious in general. And going into Christianity they tend to trade one form of superstition for another. I remember close family friends, who became evangelical Christian, warning us not to go to the cemetery anymore to do qingming, because it was "demonic ancestral worship". To us it was just a part of our culture. It's sad to me that some people let religion erase their culture. Oh yea, and they also told us our grandparents and other ancestors went to hell. That's evangelicalism for you.
Evangelicals are the shittiest of all. Yes i agree, One should not lose culture while changing the religion but that's what abhrahmic religions do
Christianity has been around for thousands of years. Beliefs about demonic entities is present in cultures around the world absent of Christianity so I would heed their warnings. People from all over the world have reported hauntings as something that's very real and people go to psychic all the time. Just because something is apart of a culture doesn't mean its right. In Fiji cannibalism was apart iTaukei culture, child sacrifice was apart of Mayan culture and my parents old religion Hinduism, caste based discrimination was apart of Indian culture. In other parts of the world child marriages as young as 12 are apart of their culture. I wouldn't get hung up on cultural norms when searching for truth. If hell is real a minor offense from words doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. What absolutely is real is death, it can come suddenly and we're all going to face it, then we're going to find out what was said that was real and what wasn't. If you make the wrong choice it will be too late, nobody is going to be able help you eternity is forever. Instead of writing off Christianity before you die it would be wise to look at the evidence for it objectively, start with investigative journalist Lee Strobel's work, he wrote the book The Case for Christ and lays out the evidence for Christianity there. Look at William Lane Craig's work as well as Laurence Tisdall's work. And if you still aren't convinced, fine, at the very least Christianity gives you the option to believe or disbelieve with no threat of imprisonment or death today if you don't believe it unlike some other religious, non religious and political views out there currently.
@@Law19157 You're definitely biased towards christianity i can clearly see that. Hindus caste practice wasn't birth based in old times but merit based but slowly and slowly due to human greed ,it became a rigid system.
Secondly you're comparing western Christianity with other's. Compare the condition of christianity in third world countries with other religions and you will find christianity as worse as the others. A strict socio- religious structure with no freedom of expression , Christianity in Sub-Saharan Africa is as brutal and nasty as Islam.
@@introvert2023 False, Christians are the victims of violence in sub-saharan Africa not the aggressors.
I enjoy learning about different church experiences- especially how culture plays a part in services. While I grew up going to primarily very small American churches I have gone to a Pingelapese church (Micronesian/Pacific Islander) a couple of times around Portland, Oregon. I will say church is a big way that the Pingelapese community bands together in the US. It's a very important place for many because just about everybody from Pingelap goes to church back home so it gives immigrants to the US a familiar setting in this country that is very different from Micronesia. I would be interested to see more about you two growing up in Asian church.
Great topic! I had a positive experience growing up in my Chinese church. As you said, church reinforced the moral teaching of my parents. Funny that you show Seattle people speaking with a Southern accent. They don't sound like that at all.
TLDR; My mom was the OG Church Hopper! I grew up in a low-income family with a single mother who dragged three crazy monkeys to church every single Sunday. My mom eventually made her rounds to ever single Chinese church in our city at the time that she knew about after separating from my dad. We needed people in our lives as much as she needed childcare 😂 She made us all pile into either her car, someone else’s car or even a van to get to church. I was once at a youth rally at a huge Chinese church and these youth leaders organizing the whole thing were from different churches but all knew me because my family church hopped to each of their churches, and they asked me which church I went to, to which I replied pointing at each respective person, “I go to your church, your church, and your church, but not your church“ 😂 I totally identify with the different socioeconomic backgrounds, the hierarchy, popularity contest, constant comparison, and the different Chinese diasporic groups. As a kid, most of the churches were boring, many had their problems, some might have landed us in therapy later on, a couple of them ended up dying, but there were at least there was one kept us there, alive, and off the streets by being connected through community. I’m grateful for the experience it taught me not only diversity amongst the different churches but also amongst different Chinese churches as well as trying to find your peeps. It also taught me how to live with a purpose, care for others who otherwise might not be cared for and ultimately to celebrate and champion the fact that God made me Asian. Anyways, thanks @fungbros for making this! Felt like an homage in some ways ❤
David! Please please have a mic stand man! Stopping holding it😅😅😅. Great video bros, grew up in Burmese Church in New York City, very similar experiences.
Wow never thought you guys would bring up the topic of Asian churches. I grew up in a Chinese church and I still go to church, but I've moved away from majority Asian churches. Definitely pros and cons but where I'm currently at, I think a more diverse church is for me.
If you think of it as an extension of government, I think that can help
I don't go to church, and I pay my taxes and manage my own money.
I really don't trust other people with my money,
Not my money but the money, I'm given.
I grew up in Asian churches my whole life and loved it, which is saying something because the youth group at my church was underfunded, dysfunctional and at times toxic. Despite all that, it was the time I could be around other Asian people (I lived in a small rural area where most of my friends were white). I feel like they are heavily modeled after white churches. #2 didn't really happen for me though, most people in most churches I went to was middle to upper middle class. The thing about single mothers was another thing I couldn't relate to. Growing up, I was one of only two people who grew up with single mothers (both of our fathers died when we were young) and everyone else grew up in seemingly perfect families.
OMG...I can't believe I am admitting to this!! My parents made us go to Chinese Church, and I remember when I was about 17, in the Chinese Church, there is a section for where all the adults go...which is the main service, and then there are Sunday School classes, divided by age groups and so forth...and I remember ditching church, once everyone was in the church, my friend, who has her drivers license already, picked me up and we would go to go play arcade for about 50 minutes, and then come back and drop me back off at the church, when service is over. And of course, the minister's wife saw me left, and my parents said to me that the following Sunday, I would have to sit with them the following Sunday...Guess what I did?? I found a Part-time job and told employer...I'd be happy to work on Sundays!!!!!! Guess what? They hired me!
you’re still just as shallow now
Interesting perspective...thanks for sharing! I'm black and often wonder what it's like in other churches. God bless y'all for showing that church is not a place for perfect people, but for people who strive to have relationship with God and impact the world through the Bible. I'd like to hear more on this.
Been to a few different Asian churches growing up. Went to an evangelical church once and they tried to convert me the first time I attended, the pastor's wife who was trying to convert me kept telling me that Jesus was telling her I was ready. I kept telling her no I'm not ready lol. Didn't really like this church as they were a bit too fanatical and conservative.
Went to another evangelical church youth group and they were doing the letting the holy spirit into you by touching your forehead thing. The people were fainting and falling to the floor left right and centre. We hid up the back behind the chairs so they wouldn't do it to us 😂
Last of all a Baptist church and at the end of the services there was a potluck at the end of every Sunday service which was the best. You could always see some people up the back of the church with their bums halfway off the seat waiting for the service to end so they could rush to the food at the end of the service, so hilarious 😂 This church was a lot more normal in my opinion.
Sone of my Korean homies including myself can relate to this so much 😂
I attended a multi-Asian American church, mostly Japanese folk at first, than the church grew and we saw a huge growth of other Asian races. Made lifelong friends, still hangout with them. Our kids grew up together. Most of us were tech workers and other professionals. Original members of this church were folks from WW2 internment camps. Good influence on me and my family. No regrets.
O.M.G. thanks for hitting this topic
I feel it's so important.
The thing I learned about Asian culture, we really are "Communist" 'community-based per-say societal structure. Eastern European practice can lean that way too, especially in the socialist, northern states.
Christianity would like to have us think we can love and all be equal, but there are cultural, cultural factors that come into play.
If you guys don't talk about this, I can't think of a more legit way for an Asian American, Authority , and who has the Right, and decency, not just the money. To bring it up
I'm not sure what it is, but I want Asian Americans to get away from conformist attitudes, especially towards Actual, America.
Don't turn your back on your blood and heritage, and cultural practice. It's written in the language. It's not worth divorcing our ethnic Asian background from where we want to go
Y’all should come to the church I pastor sometime if you’re in the Folsom, California area.
Fung Bros, awesome to hear how Christianity played a role in your lives. Followed Jesus in my late 20s and haven’t looked back. Man, I would love for y’all to come through and visit ours. Anybody welcome :) we here in Long Beach, CA. During Covid we learned how to stream online, page is First Pentecostal Church of God. God bless everyone. It’s a little late, but happy New Years!
Church was and still is essential in my family. I'm Laotian American and my family were refugees from the Vietnam war. The church was one of the entities that was there for my family. It was a weird dynamic growing up as a kid because I would go back and forth at church, from lao to white conservative. Our Lao Thai mission at my church had people that were from other southeast asian descent. That really exposed me to culture and my identity. Now I'm the youth director at a church and telling my story to students really puts in perspective. It's been all God bro.
I thought most Asians mainly go to an Asian church to play basketball. The basketball skills they learn playing church ball let's you move up to highschool ball or club ball.
The picture you guys chose for your video thumbnail is interesting. The man in the picture is Pastor Wang Yi, a Chinese Presbyterian pastor an underground church currently under heavy persecution in China itself. Nothing much to say beyond that, but do pray for his safety (if that’s your thing)
I'm white I was a Bible believing Christian for over 30 years , but Buddhism just makes more sense to me (a guy sits under a tree vs. god turns into man, dies for our sins, resurrected), are these Asian churches growing or shrinking these days?
I loved this! Thanks guys! :)
Catholic Asian American Filipino myself so there is no pure Filipino Catholic Church (specifically a church based for a majority of one race/culture), but when I do remember visiting other Christian Denominations churchs for their services sometimes, they are more upbeat and fun vibes (went to a majority white christian church). I do recall hearing that black churchs are really upbeat as well.
I will admit though that going to more quiet services like catholic mass can be boring for children because I remember feeling like that as a kid. Not the most exciting thing or something a kid looks forward too on a sunday weekend morning. Even now, sometimes I have to drag myself up in the morning to go mass (I'm in my 30's now).
Not trying to start a religion debate, just mentioning this as an aside (please don't come at me please or and don't start a religion debate, wrong place and time), but now after understanding the meaning of our church service, at least I see the purpose of going and I choose to go on own. But as a kids, yea I totally get it, it wasn't a thing I looked forward to.
That’s interesting. I’m Vietnamese and go to a Vietnamese Catholic Church and it’s pretty chill and surprisingly more politically liberal than I expected looking at a typical American church environment that was conservative. Our church also is pretty involved and have lots of events and organizations which allowed me to learn more about my culture and language that growing up in the US and the American education system didn’t give me. We also had younger Vietnamese attendees that helped to modernize our services to make it more engaging but also purposeful and not just filler. And as I grow older and become more independent I find that my social circle I developed from church have almost become my main social group especially with how society has changed in past few years. One thing that’s interesting though about Vietnamese churches are that Vietnamese priests may be prone to gossip as many Vietnamese people are which makes for interesting conversations with our priests😂.
Liberal in what ways politically?
@@tzenzhongguo In what other ways can you be politically liberal? Idk being moderate to liberal on the political scale. Supporting women and minorities in church structure. Believing in science and empirical research. I think you know what I mean by politically liberal unless you’ve been living under a rock or haven’t gone to school.
@@thanhdinh3179 what kind of science concervstives don’t believe in? We use guns, computers, smart phones, work in the defense industry. I like how they’re are some very right wing Viets. Pretty cool to see RVN flags at Trump and MAGA rally’s. Sane with the ROC & ROK flags.
@@thanhdinh3179 what’s up with you unpatriotic and subversive liberals with belobe in science. True conservatives (MAGA ists), Russian & CCP all believe in STEM sciences not that bullshit gender studies, CRT, queer theory shit. We are ethnic minorities in America but screw BLM, Antifa, and especially fuck the ACLU (look up Vincent Chen and how the local chapter said he’s civil rights weren’t violated when he was murdered). Another thing about you bobas is not Asian hate when Imperial Japan, North Vietnam, and Mainland China all habe governments that are openly hostile to the U.S..
@@tzenzhongguo When did I say conservatives don’t believe in science? Just like any other group of people there are those who do believe in science and those who don’t. And just because people use technology doesn’t mean they support scientific thinking. You could clearly see that during the pandemic.
Mom made me go to church when I was younger. Although I hated going.. I always looked forward to eating!!! I went to a Korean church and the grub... Seriously some good grubs were had and that's the only thing I miss. 😅
Oh this was cool going into your life a bit! Yeah I went to church for a little while as a kid, but we went to a very white uu church where luckily because it was uu, we weren't forced to believe in anything. I know the benefits of community service and being a part of a community, but I feel uneasy about religion being that spot for a kid since they're so young and impressionable.. I'd say just make your kid do community service, or do it as a family each week or something where you're not forced into not being able to think critically for fear of rejection by that group
Chinese Church was great. They helped new immigrants. They organized lots of events. They provided a community and a network. Sunday school was really boring, so the rebellious kids would skip class lol. And Veggie Tales. lol
Filipino churches get lit! Lmao
I would love to hear Filipinos singing gospel songs, it would truly be a blessing to my ears.
Unless it’s catholic. 😂
@@Gfilam I am Catholic.
I grew up catholic and went to ccd. Not lit at all in South SD lol
@@Gfilam Lol
Born and raised in Iglesia Ni Cristo located across all 6 continents, we don't count Antarctica, penguins don't want to receive our teachings. With 149 racial and ethnic backgrounds. It maintains nearly 7,000 congregations and missions grouped into more than 178 ecclesiastical districts in 161 countries and territories.
The Samoans and other Polynesians, Micronesians, Southeast Asians & Indonesians the Philippines and half the genetics in Madagascar are related to the indigenous Aboriginal Taiwanese.
🌍 You two are quite engaging, & entertaining. Here's a request: As young Asian Americans, what were the "pros & cons," or "ups & downs" of your interactions with Black Americans, (specifically?) I'm Black, spent my first two years of High school in Hawaii. My school had a clear Asian majority. Although I'm a LOT older now, 😂 that brief period had a pretty significant impact on my World view. So anyway, what were some of your most memorable moments in that regard? 🌎🗿
I grew up Christian in the central Central Valley in California. Theres a hand ful of Laos Christian churches.
Chinese church bingo: Spicy cold noodle made with spaghetti. Fry rice. ma po tofu. Chicken legs and chicken thighs. Hating on liberals, Centrist, Obama and “lazy non-asians”. “My kid got into Ivy leagues because we were faithful.” “My kid interned at top tech/wall st.“ “My husband cheated multiple times but we forgive him.” Real estate agents lurking around. “We grew up together in this church so if you come late, expect cold shoulder.” Competition among single female is high because males are so few. Speakers telling stories ignoring part of the plot to make themselves sound like the good guy. Impromptu prayer with standard sentence structure and key phrases.
I relate to your experience, I feel like it was like that back then because most of the leaders then were immigrants. Things are different these days because there are more Chinese-Americans now.
If yall was going to do a comedy hour this would would go over very good.
When you consistently see answers to your prayers, when you get healed of some bodily issue, when you get baptized in the Holy Spirit and start speaking in heavenly tongues you come to realize how real the God of the Bible actually is and you subsequently continue to go to church. It's unfortunate that so many kids just go through the motions in Church and never come to know and experience the God of the Bible i.e. God the Father Jehovah, God the Son Jesus Christ, God the Holy Spirit for themselves.
Jeremiah 29:13 NKJV - "And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart."
Luke 11:13 NKJV - "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Back in Fiji my parents were Hindus but then my parents house became haunted. Fiji isn't known for earthquakes only Cyclones and Hurricanes but those storms aren't powerful enough to shake the house because homes are made from concrete. So a dog would howl outside then a demonic spirit would enter the house and start shaking the bed, start opening and closing doors, throw plates, bowels, spoons, knives and other things out of their drawers and unto the floor. The lights would flicker on and off my parents were terrified. At first they went to a Hindu priest to correct the issue and for a short time it worked but then it got worse.
Then my dad heard about a local Pastor from a Pentecostal Christian Church and he asked that Pastor for help, he wasn't even thinking about being loyal to Hinduism at this point he was just desperate for the haunting to stop. When that Pastor prayed the haunting ceased for good and my dad was convinced that Jesus Christ was real so after that he started going to Church and convinced my mom to convert also. Today he's a Pastor running his own church and makes trips to Fiji every summer to preach the Gospel and he operates in gifts of healing. Whoever has some kind of physical problem they end up being healed after my Dad prays for them. A lot of the time they don't come up and don't tell anyone what's going with their bodies my Dad just knows and calls them up its insane.
I really wouldn't swipe left on Christianity its very real. Heaven is real, Jesus Christ is real and hell is also very real. Nobody should die without believing on the name of Jesus Christ first, he's the only way to get into heaven.
Due to the caste system I would have never remained a Hindu as an adult, and if not for my experiences with Christianity I would have been Agnostic today. As a child I believed in Christianity but I never took it serious, I didn't want to go to church but my parents made me. As a teen I wanted real solutions to my problems not prayers, I lived a very secular life but at 17 years of age I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and that changed everything. Go back to church man, don't leave planet earth without getting to know Jesus Christ on a personal level. Time flies and the end will be here before you know it.
Dude, I go to a Hindu temple and it is so similar to what you guys described your church experience as. The Gujrati are the dominant group so they always get their way and the rest of us are kind of scrambling to get things done for our ethnic groups. I guess politics at places of worship is a real thing 🤷
So nice. God Bless you. ✝🙏
"We're all imperfect people" the narcissist's anthem.
In church I've heard that line so much being used to excuse shitty behavior by shitty people.
We have Asian churches in Connecticut that really rock with a great choir. You can easily get caught up in the holy spirit.
What is your view on the Gospel? What were the messages like growing up? Did you have any encounters with God there?
Interesting that they have special churches. As a german buddhist, i wonder how is buddhism in USA
I white but what I seen the younger generation is branch to more multiracial churches in the large cities. I when church in Plano tx was majority white how ever there was noticeable increase in asians in the millennial generation and most of them where native born Americans.
I’m glad these guys ended with something positive about church in general. All this despite some of the difficult experiences. This could have easily been a dump on religion.
I would like to hear how Asian churches are different now
I feel like Asian people in America, they have an obligation to keep it real and legit and always carry a real vibe
Ultimately it's too easy for Asians to be conformists, not just to themselves and amongst themselves but towards Americans. And I just wanna say we lose something there. We may gain something, but we can lose something there too
The first Asian church I went too, I realize in hindsight
It was really stratified. My parents worked hard, but that wasn't only enough to reach the bottom of the middle class tier. When some of these Asian people are definitely up there no lie. And Asians can be stingy too at
Was curious what they had to say about this topic as I grew up in a Chinese church in Milpitas. My thing is just - please don’t try to speak about the church from a faith perspective. Don’t know if these guys are Christian, but church is not *just* a social thing. And yes you can learn great lessons by attending church, but that’s not the only thing. Just seems a little dismissive about why people go to church. If you’re just talking about your experience, totally fine, but please just leave it at that.
Buddhism can take your mind to outer space.
I like watching you guys talk about some of the most intriguing and interesting things...but just need to say this to David...you are so energetic and lively but please you have got to stop interrupting Andrew through mid explanation respectively...he never gets to finish what he is saying...it make me feel kind of sorry for him...love you guys.
the way yall explaining about church, i really think yall were checking out girls
Why did you delete comments @fungbros?
VERY ORGANIZED AND VERY STRICT////
Pentecostal churches are always litt regardless if it's a white, black, hispanic, or Asian church
Bro 😂 church is boring no matter where you at i’ve attended church in multiple cities in both China and America people go to church mostly because they are just lonely
as opposed to all those other fun churches in other cultures lol
Where all my PKs at???
Andrew appears a bit aggravated with his partner
there needs to be a movie abt this lol
The thing that perplexed me the most about Asian church is how non-native and not-natural of a thing it is compared to the traditional culture of whatever Asian society your roots are. Abrahamic religions are basically colonialism in Asia, and often conflict with Asian cultural practices. Many times you’re encouraged to leave behind your own Asian identity in order to fully practice a western religion, which just seems so odd.
That’s one of the reasons I stopped going. It didn’t feel natural after a while lol.
Christianity is eastern
@@fucky889 but it’s not part of East Asian culture at all. In fact, it conflicts with East Asian/Sinosphere cultural/religious practices.
This was interesting
Hmm why don't Fung Bros get a lot of views anymore?
Different type of content
They should do some travel videos again I reckon.
@@d15z1sux agree, all these "podcasts" they put out are just rants to me
@@PrecisionAcc yeah they defiantly won't appeal to all, some of these are pretty niche or specific.
Didn’t know u where Christian ??
lets get shredded together kings do deez 💪💪💪👑👑👑 thanks william li
slow down when u speak
It's unfortunate that your typical Asian churches only focused on rules, religion, and regulations rather than relationship.
Yeah, can definitely tell the way they talk about church as if it's a community centre, rather than a hospital for sinners to find spiritual healing and have a relationship with God.
bruh yall cappin on those Taiwanese 😂
lol, never been…also 1st!
I stopped going to church. Don’t worry guys. You will survive.