I love how people who haven't experienced even a fraction of the trauma that Barry and Oliver have faced tend to judge them the hardest for their actions. It always made me so mad when Iris got on her high horse and told Barry that he was better than Oliver and not to be like him. Ollie literally saved the multiverse. He was the best and most courageous hero out of all of them
Theres context removed here. Barry was making stupid moves trying to be like Oliver that simply didn’t work & they backfired in his face. Thats why Iris said that. Oliver even told Barry he has to be better than him cause Oliver tries too hard to be Batm…I mean ruthless
My thing is he could of said I went back in time after a moment of weakness when my father had just died. And I fixed the change but even though it should of only effected me it had a ripple effect and changed some things that weren't directly connected to me. Like in the animated movie him changing time made Bruce die instead of his parents even though I'm pretty sure that happened before his mother had died
Tbf the three most vocal people against barry in this are cisco who at this point is already biased against barry because flashpoint led to his brother dying but also sara and ray...sara has been through nearly as much as oliver including actually dying and whilst ray has gone through less by this point he had lost his original love because of the mirakuru army, nearly died developing the atom suit, had to confront what really made him a hero his mind or his tech, had to face the fact another woman he loved was literally destiny bound to not be with him and had to say goodbye to not one but two team members in terms of rip and snart-thinking they were both dead. With everything the legends go through, they are in the right to be against barry especially when it comes to timeline stuff.
Sara had no room to talk if Ray hadn't followed her in the season 2 premier she would have killed Damien Darhk in an effort to change the timeline and save her sister. She had him in her sights. Barry didn't have anyone who was capable of following after him to stop him from saving his mother and changing the timeline
@@jbhutch6707 Except in that fight, Mick was injured, the team were being forced back and Damien had actually gained the upper hand on her. Younger Damien and Sara were actually quite even in hand to hand combat. In episode 9 Damien gets the upper hand on her again in the fight and ray assisted helping throw Damien off. In an effort to change the timeline or anything of that sort, the true test for Sara was when she used the spear and she chose to depower it even though she could have undone so much including Laurels death. Sara was one of the key legends alongside the likes of Stein and Amaya who learnt how sacred time was and why it needed protecting. She also turned down the chance Malcolm offers her in episode 8 for a "Better life."
I love Barry and Oliver’s friendship so much. Hell, I love Kara and Barry’s too. They are the golden trio of superheroes honestly they always have each other’s backs
Season 5 of Arrow wasn't perfect but it was still a return to form for the most part. in fact, that season was arguably better than the next 3 that came after. Well the next 2 at the very least...
Tynan McDonald You know what wasn't heart breaking? Finding out John Diggle Jr. didn't become Connor Hawk, because the true Connor Hawk is Bronze Tigers son. So HA! The timeline still survives.
right i liked him until this season he was annoying asf , u wanted him to go back in time when ur brother died b4 u knew everything but now u talking shii because he did it for his mom and then u try to compare ur brother who barely talked to u with his dead mother and father then he did this bs twice first was when tell them about killer frost and now this like stfu n mind ur business because u couldn't went ya annoying ass home they really didnt need u because falicity was there n she is better then u
@@StardustLegacyFighterHe should've already known since he's intelligent, but I suppose it was difficult for the writers to write something they're not.
It’s really unbelievable that the legends are gonna judge Barry when they have changed so much more than him. And Diggle really acted like Barry intentionally erased his daughter. It was very satisfying to see Oliver and Kara have Barry’s back.
@@deadpooldan9862 well it’s one thing to knowingly go through time multiple times and fuck up the timeline (again MULTIPLE TIMES which is something they joke about/mention a million times in their show) but when Barry does it to save his mother and fathers life, “oh Barry you can’t just go back and change things Barry”
@@christiantrent1030 yeah, but they didn’t do anything that had lasting consequences, Barry’s actions affected team Flash and Diggle, while the Legends always clean up their mess. Plus, by this point, they hadn’t royally messes up time like Barry did, that was later
@@deadpooldan9862 but it’s the fact that they were doing it seemingly on accident and on purpose and not giving a shit about it but when Barry did what he did they completely got super serious about it. My problem isn’t really “oh they did it so why is it wrong for him to do it” but more of a why did they clown around with time travel but get super harsh on Barry.
I feel that was due to rushed writing. The way the writers had Barry explain creating Flashpoint to the team in this moment made Barry look extremely selfish. Granted, Barry creating Flashpoint was selfish because he did it for himself to get his family back. Oliver said it best saying if he had Barry’s powers, he’d done the same thing, in the next scene with the two of them. Sorry - I got sidetracked. The writers left out several key factors: Reverse Flash, The Rival, Wally almost dying, having to watch Thawne kill his mother “again”. I feel it was rushed due to time restraints, but yes, I agree Dig’s response did make him seem like Barry did it on purpose - again - because of lack of information as to WHY Barry did all of this.
@@williamrichter1113 yes and their a bunch of hypocrites The only ones who can be mad is the arrow team since they never change anything time related And it affected them personally
@@lunosol8914 like didn't they change the history of a kid who was going to be a dictator. Which would have had side effects which they could not foresee. That's why you don't time travel to kill Hitler because what that would cause in the long run
Does anyone agree with me on this Barry lost his dad after just coming to terms with his moms death and mostly Sara dig Cisco and Caitlin act like they’ve been the same as Barry laurel didn’t die in front of Sara Dante didn’t die Cisco and Ronnie didn’t die in front of Caitlin he died in front of Barry someone else he couldn’t save and he carries that every day but Caitlin should stop saying she knows what he’s been through they only one that really does is Oliver since he went through the same exact thing as Barry losing their parents their partners knowing they can’t do anything to change it
You know some characters has the right to be mad at Barry even if they weren't in his shoes but still had the rights , but the legend blaming is ridiculous their the last person to judge about messing up time specially Sara.
@@matiaspereira9382 agreed I don't mind anyone else outside the legends and maybe cisco for a bit cause i think he went to far i understand he lost his brother but dont make it like barry doenst know what a lost is. any other person blaming barry Is understandable since they weren't in his position which anyone would do in real life at first before thinking straight. But Sara and the legend specially should've kept their mouth shut this guy's are literally time screwers
Lex Bryant I agree Sara shouldn’t talk shit but I do get her point. She never went back in HER life to change significant shit like saving Laurel. However, it wasn’t because she was thinking about the timeline, she never did it because she has a bunch of people who travel with her in time to stop her. Barry lost both parents and when he finally got the one he had left, Zoom killed him. It was a lot of grief and with a bad judgment he went back in time. Is not like he did shit on purpose. I understand their right to he pissed but not to say “i would never”. The legends have a right to be angry but not to act as if they wouldn’t have done the same if they could travel in time alone
Considering they have the power to fix the damage Barry did, yeah. They really shouldn't complain since all it would take would be for them to fix it. That is their job after all. They make it sound like they can't fix what Barry did. But we all know that they can.
adam warren Oliver and Kara (and Iris predictably) stood by Barry when literally everyone else was treating him like shit. True friendship right there.
Even though Barry messed up “big” time, Cisco was in the wrong here. I understand having to let the team know everything that’s going on and changed with their lives - Cisco does have a point that Barry was getting ready to lead them into a war. But with that said, the team needed to have their minds set on only the task at hand. Barry forced to tell the team about Flashpoint only clouded their judgement. He needed to tell them on his own time, when the task was handled. Same with Caitlin being forced to tell the team about her powers, she needed to do that on her own time. Team Flash has made several mistakes throughout the years, but their strongest asset as a team is that they are a family. You can’t have clouded minds in the heed of battle.
And that was proven to be the wrong call when almost everyone practically walked into a trap because Cisco decided this was the right moment to have everyone on hate Barry wagon
Honestly, I could never hate or get that mad at Barry for what he did with Flashpoint. I’ve experienced personal trauma that’s not anywhere near as bad as Barry’s and yet they’ve been a number of days of the last few years where I was so messed up that I’d do the exact same thing he did or at least strongly consider it, even knowing the possible consequences
Anyone of them would’ve done the exact same thing hell Oliver is the most logical out of all of them and even he said he would have if given the chance .
Honestly Sara can't really talk, the only reason sara didn't go back and save her sister is because the legends stopped her from doing it and changed her mind. Barry, no one was there to stop him and him being super fast he could've done it even if they tried to stop him
Sara actually once had the chance to kill Darkh when they were in 1987, but she ended up stopping herself. I'm a 1st-time viewer so it's easier to point that out
What time do you think time to be mad at the person that killed your brother and didn’t decide to go back in time to save them because the person that went back in time is a hypocritical ignorant person?.
My question is, Barry created Flashpoint after the Legends went into the temporal zone. If I’m not mistaken, while you’re in the temporal zone, you’re not affected by changes to the timeline. So if Ray and Sarah know Diggle personally, shouldn’t they notice that Diggle had a son instead of a daughter. Unless his changes that Flashpoint caused affect the legends even in the temporal zone. The legends should still have memories of the other timeline.
They assumed the change was because of something they did. Because remember Dr. Stein also messed with the timeline prior to that which caused him to have a daughter.
This after a rewatch, but did they forget when EVERYONE was on board with Barry going back in time to save his mother in season 1? I get Cisco is upset, because it’s a family member. But he NEVER had the type of relationship with his brother that should make him THIS pissed. Even if the timeline changed, and they were closer, we never saw it. So after a rewatch, Cisco’s initial pain made sense, but by the time we got to the crossover, it was ridiculous.
Because they understand how Barry feels: Kara lost her friends, family and her planet right before her very eyes. And Oliver has lost his mother, father, best friend, and other people who were close to him.
Sara :why the fk would you DO THIS we try to fix the timeline hdhehshsh Future Sara : Lets break time and let other time demons out because instead of fixing time prison we should break it so we could kill the prisoner but now other prisoners escaped because I didn't know about the other monsters hehe hoho
@@ricardopatterson9085 not hypocritcal. just the only way they could think of to beat the bad guy. she really would be a hypocrite if she tried to save her family
0:36 Sara: tell us what? Me (if i were Barry): Jax and professor Stein found a message from me in the future saying right now i can't be trusted Sara: why would future you say that? Me (if i were Barry): i don't really know. But it doesn't matter right now! What matters right now is the alien invasion so let's continue training and let's talk about that after we deal with it
Matias Pereira During the earlier seasons, Oliver rather keep secrets then trust his team. Whenever something he was hiding was about to be found out, he tried his best to avoid it. One time it almost costed him felicity when she first got the nano machine placed in her spine to help her walk again
I love the fact that Oliver stood up for Barry not only because of their friendship but he knows if he had the ability to go back and save his love ones he would just like Barry did
@@matiaspereira9382 I'm guess that he's saying that since she's just as fast then they don't need him or they need him only for his speed implying that he's no good to them with out it..
I'm so glad Oliver stood up for him here, clearly Barry made a stupid mistake, but they're so unsympathetic to what he's been through and why he did what he did.
Sara Lance giving Barry that lecture is fucking hilarious considering the Legends fuck up the timeline every season. It became a yearly thing. After this, I guess.
what really annoyed me about this scene and when barry told team flash is in season 1 he was told to go and save his mum when thawne offered him the chance now everyones pissed at him
apart from his parents dying so violently, facing ruthless, soul-less monsters like thawne and zoom are also the reason barry time travelled. he had his friends' partners die to save him, and then he saw zoom just killing 1000s of people for fun. now im not gonna try and defend him but almost every1 would do the same if they were in his position (ik i would)
I hated how Sarah acted so high and mighty. For one the only reason she didn't change the past is because someone stopped her, and two her own crew changed their own personal histories on more than one occasion if memory serves. She was just pissed off that no one stopped Barry because he can time travel naturally.
I mean, she got it going with a lot of gals in different timelines, but when Barry does it after enduring a lot of trauma and it's to save people she's Time travel police lol
The thing that pissed me off about this when I watched it years ago is that Cisco didn't do it because he thought the others had a right to know, he did it to spite Barry because iirc before the crossover, Cisco finds out his brother is dead due to Barry changing the past. Though he never takes into consideration that his brothers death had nothing to do with Barry's actions because it turned out Caitlin's powers had nothing to with Barry changing the Timeline. Even though Barry was about to lead them through an Alien war, Oliver told Barry, Jax, and Stein to wait until it was over before saying anything so they didn't become distracted by it. Digg was behaving as though Barry had killed his Kid. Sara had tried multiple times to save her sister. Ray compares 1 mistake to the amount the Legends have made through Time Travel. By spiting Barry in front of everyone. Cisco causes the very problem Oliver was trying to prevent.
@@Doctor_Logic at this point I can't believe Barry didn't kick Cisco out of the team. I sometimes believe Barry is too forgiving. He always does things I believe he shouldn't have done or never does things I believe he should've done
@@matiaspereira9382. All of them are like that. They should've done this/They shouldn't have done that. If this were S1 or S2. Barry and the rest of Team Flash would've kicked him off the team for the way he was behaving and putting Barry on the spot like that despite what they were about to go up against. Barry can be too forgiving at times, but the reason he's not getting as angry as he should is down to guilt due to Flashpoint. The only thing that redeems Cisco's actions is that he does the exact same thing as Barry during this crossover event. Plus, the fact that the message found by Jay and Martin from Future Barry is a warning about Savitar, not Barry himself.
This conversation could’ve gone on a completely different route if Barry tried to explain himself. Here, it appears he just saved his mother on a whim. Like he hadn’t suffered the loss of his dad, being betrayed by another mentor, and forced to see a man walk around with a similar face to his previously stated, dead father. I know it doesn’t fix what he’s done, killing Cisco’s bro, changing Digg’s daughter, and some more, but at least he tried to fix what he’s done. The Legends can shit talk about how they try to fix the timeline like they’re saints, but they’ve gone against history on multiple occasions. I suppose just because it doesn’t effect the time stream, what they did was okay. Plus, they haven’t suffered like Cisco and Digg who have real losses because of Barry. They have the right to be pissed, but Sara, who once tried changing the timeline for her sister, acting as though Barry was wrong, it just kinda pisses me off. Tho, maybe my view is too narrow. Maybe just because Barry is the protagonist, and I know his entire story, I feel more friendly towards him. I just kinda wished the writers could’ve written this scene better, rather than just sum it up as “I saved my mom, then I fixed it. Because of that, you’re lives have been altered” and cause some conflict for the sake of there being conflict.
Wait when did Sara try and change the timeline I have no recollection of that I have watched all seasons of The Flash, Arrow and Dc legends of tomorrow and don't remember please tell me when she tried
@@Thebridgeplayer Asked Rip to let her go back and save her sister, then every time Darhk was in the picture she wanted to/tried to kill him so he wouldnt be alive in the future to kill her sister. That was almost the entirety of season 2 of Legends.
@@neilgulley969 yeah she was like I could of changed the timeline but it's that she failed at changing it. Barry actually did. But then returned it to normal which didn't full fix it mostly. Which I'm pretty sure speed force time travel is a little more chaotic than legends time travel
it definitely affects the time stream, just not major enough changes that affect the course of history, there were 100% alot of peoples lives who were affected but they were just changes that theyd probably never even know about such as things like having a boy not a girl etc but because it doesnt affect events big enough the current time will remain the same other than maybe slight changes to family trees and stuff, barrys changes were honestly just like that, dont get me wrong diggle and cisco have a right to be upset but when he went back and fixed the timeline the slight changes didnt affect anything in the grand scheme of things and had they have never known about it, the timeline wouldve remained on track
Even though it sucks that everyone blamed Barry, it would’ve been worse if they all went and got mind controlled. Since Barry and Oliver stayed back, they had to fight their friends and that helped save the world
Barry did know that time travel had risks and messed with time, he just didn’t know HOW much it messed with time, not till after Flashpoint, which is why he tries to not travel back in time if he can avoid it, he only does it for very important reasons
Looking back at this 2:02 "all those aberrations we spent the last eight months traveling through time trying to correct" that would have been a better cross over or a cool hint to this one, there back in time and see some ripple affect from Flashpoint would have been cool to me, Flash always traveling through time and Legends of Tomorrow being time travelers should have taken advantage of that
Diggle’s acting in this scene breaks my heart. Makes me feel if I woke up one day and was told in a previous existence I had a daughter but now I have no children. That would genuinely mess me up
Oliver having barry's back is so good even though his life wasn't changed and kara omg she still trusts barry and her life wasn't changed and she is from another earth and "still" doesn't know barry too well if u know what I mean but knows that he is good enough to be trusted ❤
To be fair, Barry lost both his parents that day. His mom lost her life, and his dad lost his freedom. If I remember, none of Sara's relatives were being blamed for her sister's murder; so who is she to compare what both of them would do
My hot take; Flashpoint was Cisco and the rest's doing. Okay, Barry needed to calm down before dealing with Zoom, but tranqing him and stuffing him in a cell because he wouldn't go along with what they wanted? That's the doubt that wasn't there the first time he went back to when his mother was killed. The life he had didn't look so rosy all of a sudden knowing they were willing to do that. Surprised they didn't make more of that really.
Matias Pereira It was Barry’s fault if he didn’t create flashpoint his brother would still be alive I know his dad was just killed in front of him but Barry could have stopped and thought “hey if I go back in time and save my mom I might make everybody else’s lives just as worse as mine before flashpoint like idk have your mom or dad killed!”
Danger! Do you forget when EVERYONE was on board with Barry going back in time to save his mother in season 1? I get Cisco is upset, because it’s a family member. But he NEVER had the type of relationship with his brother that should make him THIS pissed. Even if the timeline changed, and they were closer, we never saw it. So after a rewatch, Cisco’s initial pain made sense, but by the time we got to the crossover, it was ridiculous.
Sara shouldn’t even be talking, she should be dead rn but no they brought her back to life with the Lazarus pit… what’s worse intentionally resurrecting someone or unintentionally changing the timeline? I’ll go with resurrecting people lmao 🤣
Sarah knows full well that she wanted to save Laurel and would've done it if Rip didnt stop her from changing the timeline. She hasn't attempted it after Rip left the legends but she's acting like she's never attempted it with or without resistance Also, it's always confused me how they were completely fine with him changing the timeline in season 1 but once he does it in season 2, it's not justified. Maybe there were circumstances in season 1 that made people more willing to accept his decision but I can't remember those circumstances if they existed
As much as I understand why Cisco and Dig being pissed, Cisco definitely screwed up here cuz it’s literally not the time to split the team up and he just couldn’t wait until the war is over. Worse part being the legends that does just as much shit if not more than Barry acting like they’re saint that have all the right to be pissed at Barry that did it once. Writers really got or should get underpaid for this one.
The way it's explained is that even though Barry saving his mother and creating a new time after preventing himself from doing is that you how when a speedster breaks the sound barrier, they create a Sonic boom. When a speedster goes back in time, they create a time boom. The boom itself creates ripples in time changing other events. So, as said even though they don't directly correlate, certain events will change, even if you overwrite them. Basically, this is why you don't fuck with time
Sara was awfully quick to pass judgment. She got her time travel with a instruction manual in Gideon and rip. Barry got his time travel with a supervillain. Ofcourse Barry didn't know what could happen and why not to do it
Because he HAD a child. One now he will never get to know, and het once loved with all his heart. He loves the new one just as much, but accident or not it's a tough thing to accept
I understand everyone else’s anger, but the legends AKA Sara shouldn’t be angry, because her and Barry are kinda in the same boat when it comes down to time traveling
The man that went back in time didn’t think about the consequences that led to someone having a son instead of a daughter or a daughter side of a son. I don’t know. His best friend’s brother died?..VERUS people that go back in time to make sure the course goes straight to make sure the earth doesn’t come hell hmmm
1:49 excuse me, if i remember correctly Sarah tried to change the timeline herself to bring her sister back. You have no right to judge Barry this much, if anything you should've empathised with him the most, such a hypocrite
I get cisco was mad but what he did was selfish it wasn’t just barry’s well being at stake it was the teams focus now they’re unhinged cisco put the team at risk
Nah I love Oliver because even tho he understands how the others feel he’s on Barry’s side because if he had the power he would have saved his loved ones too
Oliver knew, he would do the same as Barry did, that is called "a human mistake", which all could do, but they don't want to understood that. Barry had his own reason, Oliver just understood what Barry wanted to do 'in a good way' and Oliver won't leave Barry alone. Good...no...Best Friend won't leave you!
it would've helped a bit if barry just told them that his dad was murdered in the same house where HIS mom was murdered and decided he had enough and went back in time to save his mom
That’s literally what happened after this scene with Oliver he said he understood why he did it and if he was in his choose he would do it without any hesitation
sarah saying that bullshit about her sister and how she doesnt bring her back bc of the consequences is so dumb she tried like multiple times and she would've if her team didnt stop her
Funny enough this wasn't about Barry screwing up with the timeline (again) it was regarding savitar but they made it look like future Barry is talking about current flash not future evil barry
What bugs me about this the most is no one stops to think what Barry had to do in order to erased flashpoint and how he had to let his most hated enemy kill his mother.
Savitar said that the team "shunned" or ignore him, is it because of the voice recording that said he cant be trusted, and team flash is just doing whatever barry said?
he did do something wtong but it wasn't on purpose 💯 he just wasn't thinking straight at the time , i mean he literally lost both of his parents and had to wash his mom die twice before , n cisco was annoying asf in this season like u did shit too and barry forgave u everytime but when he do something u act like a bitch
They should have been more understanding than that and not be too quick to judge cos they are not the only ones to lose pple they care about. They were just being irrational
even if its to save Ralph because of it he did lots of mistakes too far enough Barry has more on his plate post or pre or Reversal flashpoint it was not fair to be open to tell every one he is the one with a baggage of mourning a friend of his died his family sacrificed there lives no one cares but super girl can only trust him if Marley from glee is still in there sining Every time and outcast
1:48 i would've yelled to her saying "i do whatever i want! I just wanted to save my mother so shut up because you have no stupid idea of how much i suffered!"
I know this episode is old but this right here other than Kara Oliver and Iris, the way Barry was treated I would not have blamed him if he would have went savitar right there especially towards Cisco. Bunch of self righteous d bags. Okay I I understands diggles anger of course but for the legends hell no.
To this day, I get annoyed with how people treated Barry here. Cisco and Diggle had their reason but the Legends? Bro, the Legends are such hypocrites. They literally killed the TIMEKEEPERS (Yes I know they were kinda sus anyway). They fucked with time plenty of times. Sara tried to kill Damian Dark many times in the past and would have done so if not for her teammates. Hell, they lecture Barry about changing the past and how they only do so for aberrations. But the biggest thing is that Barry's mom's death IS and aberration. Reverse Flash literally had to go back in time to do it! So why doesn't Barry have the right to go back and correct that? What makes her death such a solid rule as if that was supposed to happen?
Actually diggle have no reason it's not like he was left whitout a child. He still has a child so what is he mad that Barry changed his daughter's gender to male. He won't even know. I really hate that Barry didn't insult them all and be like I don't care you would do the very same thing you are getting mad at me because I decided I wanted to have some to be happy again you get mad at me my father just died and if I get to change the life of someone I love I will I don't give a fuck about you all hypocrites.
It would make better sense to leave Digg behind than 2 of your best fighters. Digg had a daughter that's now your son. All you know it's raising your son and you don't recall it any different. Why are you so upset? If someone I knew could time travel and told me that I had daughters before he left but all I know is the joy of raising my sons, I would be like, "wow, that's crazy".
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I love how people who haven't experienced even a fraction of the trauma that Barry and Oliver have faced tend to judge them the hardest for their actions. It always made me so mad when Iris got on her high horse and told Barry that he was better than Oliver and not to be like him. Ollie literally saved the multiverse. He was the best and most courageous hero out of all of them
Theres context removed here. Barry was making stupid moves trying to be like Oliver that simply didn’t work & they backfired in his face. Thats why Iris said that. Oliver even told Barry he has to be better than him cause Oliver tries too hard to be Batm…I mean ruthless
My thing is he could of said I went back in time after a moment of weakness when my father had just died. And I fixed the change but even though it should of only effected me it had a ripple effect and changed some things that weren't directly connected to me. Like in the animated movie him changing time made Bruce die instead of his parents even though I'm pretty sure that happened before his mother had died
Tbf the three most vocal people against barry in this are cisco who at this point is already biased against barry because flashpoint led to his brother dying but also sara and ray...sara has been through nearly as much as oliver including actually dying and whilst ray has gone through less by this point he had lost his original love because of the mirakuru army, nearly died developing the atom suit, had to confront what really made him a hero his mind or his tech, had to face the fact another woman he loved was literally destiny bound to not be with him and had to say goodbye to not one but two team members in terms of rip and snart-thinking they were both dead. With everything the legends go through, they are in the right to be against barry especially when it comes to timeline stuff.
Sara had no room to talk if Ray hadn't followed her in the season 2 premier she would have killed Damien Darhk in an effort to change the timeline and save her sister. She had him in her sights. Barry didn't have anyone who was capable of following after him to stop him from saving his mother and changing the timeline
@@jbhutch6707 Except in that fight, Mick was injured, the team were being forced back and Damien had actually gained the upper hand on her. Younger Damien and Sara were actually quite even in hand to hand combat. In episode 9 Damien gets the upper hand on her again in the fight and ray assisted helping throw Damien off. In an effort to change the timeline or anything of that sort, the true test for Sara was when she used the spear and she chose to depower it even though she could have undone so much including Laurels death. Sara was one of the key legends alongside the likes of Stein and Amaya who learnt how sacred time was and why it needed protecting. She also turned down the chance Malcolm offers her in episode 8 for a "Better life."
I love Barry and Oliver’s friendship so much. Hell, I love Kara and Barry’s too. They are the golden trio of superheroes honestly they always have each other’s backs
Valentina Fangirling This crossover made me feel hateful to those pissed at Barry.
@@algordo1997 they're a bunch of selfish idiots
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@@tyking33 did you watch The Simpsons Movie?
Matias Pereira They Are not Barry is the selfish one changing everyone else’s lives so he could have a happy one
The friendship between Kara, Barry and Oliver is unmatched. I love and miss those 3 together.
they've always trusted each other more then there friends and for that matter there loved ones did one of the problems with the show
That proves Kara and Oliver understand what Barry did what he thought he was doing more than the Legends.
The way Oliver acted in this crossover showed me that they did a better job writing Oliver than that current season of Arrow.
Season 5 of Arrow wasn't perfect but it was still a return to form for the most part. in fact, that season was arguably better than the next 3 that came after. Well the next 2 at the very least...
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi yeah next two cause season 8 was really good
@@kareemmohamed888 what 8 was bad
This was the last season Andrew Kreisberg wrote on because he got MeToo’d. Thats why all the shows writing got significantly weaker
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi was better than Arrow Season 4
The most heartbreaking thing about this scene is diggle finding out his daughter is replaced with a son
Tynan McDonald You know what wasn't heart breaking? Finding out John Diggle Jr. didn't become Connor Hawk, because the true Connor Hawk is Bronze Tigers son. So HA! The timeline still survives.
Tynan McDonald yeah but because he doesn’t remember it and got replaced by a son makes it easier to forgive Barry
Matias Pereira Did John create flashpoint? No!
@@danger6609 i know. I'm calling him an idiot for being angry at Barry because he didn't erase his daughter on purpose
ik, i miss baby sara😭
Way to go Cisco. Nearly destroyed the team with that stunt.
right i liked him until this season he was annoying asf , u wanted him to go back in time when ur brother died b4 u knew everything but now u talking shii because he did it for his mom and then u try to compare ur brother who barely talked to u with his dead mother and father then he did this bs twice first was when tell them about killer frost and now this like stfu n mind ur business because u couldn't went ya annoying ass home they really didnt need u because falicity was there n she is better then u
Lmao
Post-flashpoint Cisco was a total dick.
It's only after screwing up things himself that he realised that Barry was entirely innocent.
@@StardustLegacyFighterHe should've already known since he's intelligent, but I suppose it was difficult for the writers to write something they're not.
Well it worked out in the end cuz Barry and Oliver staying back prevented them from getting mind controlled
It’s really unbelievable that the legends are gonna judge Barry when they have changed so much more than him. And Diggle really acted like Barry intentionally erased his daughter. It was very satisfying to see Oliver and Kara have Barry’s back.
I know right, the first season they just couldn’t help but fuck up the timeline
To be fair, the Legends tried to fix what they mess up, Barry didn’t care about what happened to everyone till after it had already happened
@@deadpooldan9862 well it’s one thing to knowingly go through time multiple times and fuck up the timeline (again MULTIPLE TIMES which is something they joke about/mention a million times in their show) but when Barry does it to save his mother and fathers life, “oh Barry you can’t just go back and change things Barry”
@@christiantrent1030 yeah, but they didn’t do anything that had lasting consequences, Barry’s actions affected team Flash and Diggle, while the Legends always clean up their mess. Plus, by this point, they hadn’t royally messes up time like Barry did, that was later
@@deadpooldan9862 but it’s the fact that they were doing it seemingly on accident and on purpose and not giving a shit about it but when Barry did what he did they completely got super serious about it. My problem isn’t really “oh they did it so why is it wrong for him to do it” but more of a why did they clown around with time travel but get super harsh on Barry.
Diggle’s acting in this scene is some of his best in the entire show.
Diggle is such an idiot. But the actor did a great job
It’s amazing how John makes it seem like Barry intentionally erased his kid from existence.
He's a selfish idiot
I feel that was due to rushed writing. The way the writers had Barry explain creating Flashpoint to the team in this moment made Barry look extremely selfish. Granted, Barry creating Flashpoint was selfish because he did it for himself to get his family back. Oliver said it best saying if he had Barry’s powers, he’d done the same thing, in the next scene with the two of them.
Sorry - I got sidetracked. The writers left out several key factors: Reverse Flash, The Rival, Wally almost dying, having to watch Thawne kill his mother “again”. I feel it was rushed due to time restraints, but yes, I agree Dig’s response did make him seem like Barry did it on purpose - again - because of lack of information as to WHY Barry did all of this.
He did erase his kid from existence, that hurts, it would be better not to tell him.
Matias Pereira Did John ask his daughter to get erased?!?! How is it selfish having a daughter that you don’t remember
@@danger6609 I'm calling him selfish for being angry at Barry because Barry didn't do it on purpose
I love how Kara and Oliver always have Barry's back
Exactly. I would’ve snapped at the Legends if I was Barry
Bruh the legends have changed so much more than what Barry has ever done
THANK YOU
it's only bad when it effects their lives
@@williamrichter1113 yes and their a bunch of hypocrites
The only ones who can be mad is the arrow team since they never change anything time related
And it affected them personally
@@lunosol8914 like didn't they change the history of a kid who was going to be a dictator. Which would have had side effects which they could not foresee. That's why you don't time travel to kill Hitler because what that would cause in the long run
Does anyone agree with me on this Barry lost his dad after just coming to terms with his moms death and mostly Sara dig Cisco and Caitlin act like they’ve been the same as Barry laurel didn’t die in front of Sara Dante didn’t die Cisco and Ronnie didn’t die in front of Caitlin he died in front of Barry someone else he couldn’t save and he carries that every day but Caitlin should stop saying she knows what he’s been through they only one that really does is Oliver since he went through the same exact thing as Barry losing their parents their partners knowing they can’t do anything to change it
You know some characters has the right to be mad at Barry even if they weren't in his shoes but still had the rights , but the legend blaming is ridiculous their the last person to judge about messing up time specially Sara.
Sara is so selfish. If i were Barry i would've said really mean things to her
@@matiaspereira9382 agreed I don't mind anyone else outside the legends and maybe cisco for a bit cause i think he went to far i understand he lost his brother but dont make it like barry doenst know what a lost is. any other person blaming barry Is understandable since they weren't in his position which anyone would do in real life at first before thinking straight. But Sara and the legend specially should've kept their mouth shut this guy's are literally time screwers
Lex Bryant I agree Sara shouldn’t talk shit but I do get her point. She never went back in HER life to change significant shit like saving Laurel. However, it wasn’t because she was thinking about the timeline, she never did it because she has a bunch of people who travel with her in time to stop her. Barry lost both parents and when he finally got the one he had left, Zoom killed him. It was a lot of grief and with a bad judgment he went back in time. Is not like he did shit on purpose. I understand their right to he pissed but not to say “i would never”. The legends have a right to be angry but not to act as if they wouldn’t have done the same if they could travel in time alone
@@valentinafangirling exactly
Considering they have the power to fix the damage Barry did, yeah. They really shouldn't complain since all it would take would be for them to fix it. That is their job after all. They make it sound like they can't fix what Barry did. But we all know that they can.
Maybe oliver should be Barry’s best friend
adam warren Oliver and Kara (and Iris predictably) stood by Barry when literally everyone else was treating him like shit. True friendship right there.
@@thomasraines1396 exactly. Oliver and Supergirl should be added into the main cast of Flash
I think we all know that oliver and Kara, and iris are Barry's true best friends
I wonder how Oliver would’ve acted if it affected his future
@@thomasraines1396 and Joe
Legends are literally the Legendary Hypocrites, and seriously i love how Oliver stood up for Barry here and kara supported Barry
Even though Barry messed up “big” time, Cisco was in the wrong here. I understand having to let the team know everything that’s going on and changed with their lives - Cisco does have a point that Barry was getting ready to lead them into a war. But with that said, the team needed to have their minds set on only the task at hand. Barry forced to tell the team about Flashpoint only clouded their judgement. He needed to tell them on his own time, when the task was handled.
Same with Caitlin being forced to tell the team about her powers, she needed to do that on her own time. Team Flash has made several mistakes throughout the years, but their strongest asset as a team is that they are a family. You can’t have clouded minds in the heed of battle.
Cisco was an idiot in season 3
Cisco was written to be the most annoying character that entire season and he never recovered from that character assassination.
And that was proven to be the wrong call when almost everyone practically walked into a trap because Cisco decided this was the right moment to have everyone on hate Barry wagon
More than that he was angry at harry when force him to say the truth about his power is s2
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 He was definitely better S4 onwards.
When Barry changes the timeline everybody gets angry at him but when Cisco does it nobody gets angry at him
when does cisco change the timeline?
@arturkatopenha7251yeah facts
Perhaps, but at least Cisco recognised the hypocrisy.
Honestly, I could never hate or get that mad at Barry for what he did with Flashpoint. I’ve experienced personal trauma that’s not anywhere near as bad as Barry’s and yet they’ve been a number of days of the last few years where I was so messed up that I’d do the exact same thing he did or at least strongly consider it, even knowing the possible consequences
I would've done the same thing too. If Barry had called yelled at them i wouldn't blame him
Also, as far as I can remember, Barry thought he was only changing his mother's death and that nothing else was affected.
Anyone of them would’ve done the exact same thing hell Oliver is the most logical out of all of them and even he said he would have if given the chance .
@@christopherbucher7017 the funny thing is in season 1 they all tell him to save his mother
Oliver and Barry’s friendship is truly unbreakble
Barry just went in time and broke the FRICKEN universe, Oliver is just chill about it 😂😂😂
He knows Barry. He didn’t do it for malicious reasons, and he understands why he did what he did, even if he doesn’t agree with it.
@@rustonh316 💯 true
@@rustonh316 I honestly wish Barry had yelled at Cisco, Diggle and the Legends and kicked Cisco out of the team
Honestly Sara can't really talk, the only reason sara didn't go back and save her sister is because the legends stopped her from doing it and changed her mind. Barry, no one was there to stop him and him being super fast he could've done it even if they tried to stop him
What episode are you talking about
Sara actually once had the chance to kill Darkh when they were in 1987, but she ended up stopping herself. I'm a 1st-time viewer so it's easier to point that out
@@musiclover_kb4913 that's when it's been a while when she found out laurel was dead
@@NadeemAhmed-de3py I know!
Ollie was such a bro in this scene, and Cisco was such a heel. This was not the time or place for that conversation.
What time do you think time to be mad at the person that killed your brother and didn’t decide to go back in time to save them because the person that went back in time is a hypocritical ignorant person?.
"She's just as fast as I am"
Cap
HAAHAHAHHA yes but she still ftl well mtfl+ also... so still fast
ahhah no matter what see he and kara..u still trust me right...I'll always trust u.that's friendship
My question is, Barry created Flashpoint after the Legends went into the temporal zone. If I’m not mistaken, while you’re in the temporal zone, you’re not affected by changes to the timeline. So if Ray and Sarah know Diggle personally, shouldn’t they notice that Diggle had a son instead of a daughter. Unless his changes that Flashpoint caused affect the legends even in the temporal zone. The legends should still have memories of the other timeline.
Legends of To-meow-meow, says otherwise
I think they like new in personally but I don’t think they were up-to-date on Mike’s personal life but you’re right that is a pothole
The timeline was changed after they went to 1942 and were stranded in the past. Also, they just got here. They wouldn't have seen either kid
They assumed the change was because of something they did. Because remember Dr. Stein also messed with the timeline prior to that which caused him to have a daughter.
Also Barry’s time shenanigans seem to work slightly differently and cause diff problems then the legends time stuff
This after a rewatch, but did they forget when EVERYONE was on board with Barry going back in time to save his mother in season 1? I get Cisco is upset, because it’s a family member. But he NEVER had the type of relationship with his brother that should make him THIS pissed. Even if the timeline changed, and they were closer, we never saw it. So after a rewatch, Cisco’s initial pain made sense, but by the time we got to the crossover, it was ridiculous.
Kara and Oliver best people ever in this scene
Because they understand how Barry feels: Kara lost her friends, family and her planet right before her very eyes. And Oliver has lost his mother, father, best friend, and other people who were close to him.
No one gonna talk about Oliver is such a good friend.
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
There’s a reason why Batman likes both the flash n the arrow
Sara :why the fk would you DO THIS we try to fix the timeline hdhehshsh
Future Sara : Lets break time and let other time demons out because instead of fixing time prison we should break it so we could kill the prisoner but now other prisoners escaped because I didn't know about the other monsters hehe hoho
I know right she's such a hyprocrite when she and the legends practically broke time and like u said let out time demons lol
@@ricardopatterson9085 not hypocritcal. just the only way they could think of to beat the bad guy.
she really would be a hypocrite if she tried to save her family
That's actually a cool way to look at it
@@ImBalucas exactly
@@ImBalucas i wish Sara had stayed dead after watching the 1st episode of the 3rd season of Arrow
0:36
Sara: tell us what?
Me (if i were Barry): Jax and professor Stein found a message from me in the future saying right now i can't be trusted
Sara: why would future you say that?
Me (if i were Barry): i don't really know. But it doesn't matter right now! What matters right now is the alien invasion so let's continue training and let's talk about that after we deal with it
Matias Pereira
Unlock your inner arrow! when they get close to finding out your secret, push the issue back as hard as you can
@@pyrus0zero sorry i don't understand
Matias Pereira
During the earlier seasons, Oliver rather keep secrets then trust his team. Whenever something he was hiding was about to be found out, he tried his best to avoid it. One time it almost costed him felicity when she first got the nano machine placed in her spine to help her walk again
@@pyrus0zero to be honest i only watched arrow until the 17th episode of season 2 but I'll continue watching it toworrow
@@pyrus0zero i also watched the 8th episode of season 5, the 8th episode of season 6 and 9th episode of season 7 to watch crossovers
I love the fact that Oliver stood up for Barry not only because of their friendship but he knows if he had the ability to go back and save his love ones he would just like Barry did
The most heartbreaking part about this was Flash saying Supergirl is just as fast as him
How?
@@matiaspereira9382 I'm guess that he's saying that since she's just as fast then they don't need him or they need him only for his speed implying that he's no good to them with out it..
@@emmawilliams8878 The Legends (except Jax and professor Stein) are a bunch of selfish idiots
@@matiaspereira9382 you're a fucking idiot!
@@dylangamesandmore4295 stfu 🖕🏻
I'm so glad Oliver stood up for him here, clearly Barry made a stupid mistake, but they're so unsympathetic to what he's been through and why he did what he did.
Love how everyone acknowledge ollie as the leader without it being said
Sara Lance giving Barry that lecture is fucking hilarious considering the Legends fuck up the timeline every season. It became a yearly thing. After this, I guess.
Didn’t she sleep with a queen at one point?
@@thomasraines1396 What the fuck does that have to do with anything I fucking said?
@@thomasraines1396yeah and distracted the queen from the king who were supposed to have a baby the future king of France or something
@@_sick5_481 that’s messed up.
@@thomasraines1396 yeah they can be pretty careless sometimes
It's amazing how John gives a damn about some kid that he never knew he had.
what really annoyed me about this scene and when barry told team flash is in season 1 he was told to go and save his mum when thawne offered him the chance now everyones pissed at him
If baby sera wasn't erased baby john wouldn't exist.
So its basically 50/50 here.
That made no sense.
Edit: nvm, I think I get it
Random yeah but still a child. Memories erased. It’s sad but shit happens
@@danatedawg1018 shit happens? How many times have you exchanged a daughter with a son lol
apart from his parents dying so violently, facing ruthless, soul-less monsters like thawne and zoom are also the reason barry time travelled.
he had his friends' partners die to save him, and then he saw zoom just killing 1000s of people for fun. now im not gonna try and defend him but almost every1 would do the same if they were in his position (ik i would)
I hated how Sarah acted so high and mighty. For one the only reason she didn't change the past is because someone stopped her, and two her own crew changed their own personal histories on more than one occasion if memory serves. She was just pissed off that no one stopped Barry because he can time travel naturally.
I mean, she got it going with a lot of gals in different timelines, but when Barry does it after enduring a lot of trauma and it's to save people she's Time travel police lol
And the fact that the baby was named after her 😂
The Legends lecturing Barry Allen on recklessly changing the timeline...right. The writer who came up with this scene really didn't think too much.
1:10 Cisco acts like he dosent know what’s going on like the other dosent know what Barry’s bout to tell them
The thing that pissed me off about this when I watched it years ago is that Cisco didn't do it because he thought the others had a right to know, he did it to spite Barry because iirc before the crossover, Cisco finds out his brother is dead due to Barry changing the past. Though he never takes into consideration that his brothers death had nothing to do with Barry's actions because it turned out Caitlin's powers had nothing to with Barry changing the Timeline.
Even though Barry was about to lead them through an Alien war, Oliver told Barry, Jax, and Stein to wait until it was over before saying anything so they didn't become distracted by it.
Digg was behaving as though Barry had killed his Kid.
Sara had tried multiple times to save her sister.
Ray compares 1 mistake to the amount the Legends have made through Time Travel.
By spiting Barry in front of everyone. Cisco causes the very problem Oliver was trying to prevent.
@@Doctor_Logic at this point I can't believe Barry didn't kick Cisco out of the team. I sometimes believe Barry is too forgiving. He always does things I believe he shouldn't have done or never does things I believe he should've done
@@matiaspereira9382. All of them are like that. They should've done this/They shouldn't have done that.
If this were S1 or S2. Barry and the rest of Team Flash would've kicked him off the team for the way he was behaving and putting Barry on the spot like that despite what they were about to go up against. Barry can be too forgiving at times, but the reason he's not getting as angry as he should is down to guilt due to Flashpoint.
The only thing that redeems Cisco's actions is that he does the exact same thing as Barry during this crossover event. Plus, the fact that the message found by Jay and Martin from Future Barry is a warning about Savitar, not Barry himself.
This conversation could’ve gone on a completely different route if Barry tried to explain himself. Here, it appears he just saved his mother on a whim. Like he hadn’t suffered the loss of his dad, being betrayed by another mentor, and forced to see a man walk around with a similar face to his previously stated, dead father. I know it doesn’t fix what he’s done, killing Cisco’s bro, changing Digg’s daughter, and some more, but at least he tried to fix what he’s done. The Legends can shit talk about how they try to fix the timeline like they’re saints, but they’ve gone against history on multiple occasions. I suppose just because it doesn’t effect the time stream, what they did was okay. Plus, they haven’t suffered like Cisco and Digg who have real losses because of Barry. They have the right to be pissed, but Sara, who once tried changing the timeline for her sister, acting as though Barry was wrong, it just kinda pisses me off. Tho, maybe my view is too narrow. Maybe just because Barry is the protagonist, and I know his entire story, I feel more friendly towards him. I just kinda wished the writers could’ve written this scene better, rather than just sum it up as “I saved my mom, then I fixed it. Because of that, you’re lives have been altered” and cause some conflict for the sake of there being conflict.
Wait when did Sara try and change the timeline I have no recollection of that I have watched all seasons of The Flash, Arrow and Dc legends of tomorrow and don't remember please tell me when she tried
@@Thebridgeplayer Asked Rip to let her go back and save her sister, then every time Darhk was in the picture she wanted to/tried to kill him so he wouldnt be alive in the future to kill her sister. That was almost the entirety of season 2 of Legends.
@@neilgulley969 yeah she was like I could of changed the timeline but it's that she failed at changing it. Barry actually did. But then returned it to normal which didn't full fix it mostly. Which I'm pretty sure speed force time travel is a little more chaotic than legends time travel
My question is what did dig lose his kid was just genderbended
it definitely affects the time stream, just not major enough changes that affect the course of history, there were 100% alot of peoples lives who were affected but they were just changes that theyd probably never even know about such as things like having a boy not a girl etc but because it doesnt affect events big enough the current time will remain the same other than maybe slight changes to family trees and stuff, barrys changes were honestly just like that, dont get me wrong diggle and cisco have a right to be upset but when he went back and fixed the timeline the slight changes didnt affect anything in the grand scheme of things and had they have never known about it, the timeline wouldve remained on track
1:48 looks who's saying... She tried to kill Damien dahrk to save her sister's life... 😂 😂
but she did not thanks to Rip I think trying and doing is very different
Kara didnt doubt barry for a second and she only met him once
Even though it sucks that everyone blamed Barry, it would’ve been worse if they all went and got mind controlled. Since Barry and Oliver stayed back, they had to fight their friends and that helped save the world
Lol treating him as if he knew about the implications of time travel and did this on purpose.
Barry did know that time travel had risks and messed with time, he just didn’t know HOW much it messed with time, not till after Flashpoint, which is why he tries to not travel back in time if he can avoid it, he only does it for very important reasons
Diggle: Then you'll be here, Oliver.
Rarely hear Diggle this cold.
Because he's such a selfish idiot. If the episode was made today I'd be hoping he gets covid
Looking back at this 2:02 "all those aberrations we spent the last eight months traveling through time trying to correct" that would have been a better cross over or a cool hint to this one, there back in time and see some ripple affect from Flashpoint would have been cool to me, Flash always traveling through time and Legends of Tomorrow being time travelers should have taken advantage of that
Diggle’s acting in this scene breaks my heart. Makes me feel if I woke up one day and was told in a previous existence I had a daughter but now I have no children. That would genuinely mess me up
Well, no he has a son now, like, the gender was changed
@John Xina go away dude
@johnxina9503 Go...Away
This was a huge hint pointing towards Barry being savitar.
Oliver having barry's back is so good even though his life wasn't changed and kara omg she still trusts barry and her life wasn't changed and she is from another earth and "still" doesn't know barry too well if u know what I mean but knows that he is good enough to be trusted ❤
Barry and Kara's little exchange is so heartwarming, they truly r the superfriends lol
@@musiclover_kb4913 no doubt 👍🏼
Being older and looking back at this clip shows how bad od a friend cisco was to barry l mans
Everyone acting like a 12 year old, failing to realise that Barry had to ask Eobard to kill his mom, to fix everything
To be fair, Barry lost both his parents that day. His mom lost her life, and his dad lost his freedom. If I remember, none of Sara's relatives were being blamed for her sister's murder; so who is she to compare what both of them would do
I think Barry should've told them why he went back in time.
My hot take; Flashpoint was Cisco and the rest's doing. Okay, Barry needed to calm down before dealing with Zoom, but tranqing him and stuffing him in a cell because he wouldn't go along with what they wanted? That's the doubt that wasn't there the first time he went back to when his mother was killed. The life he had didn't look so rosy all of a sudden knowing they were willing to do that. Surprised they didn't make more of that really.
Oliver has the best leadership in this universe
When the Arrowverse was in it's best the golden times 🙂
Oliver has always been the best of them. Honestly, with "friends" like these, it's no wonder Savitar was born.
Cisco angry made this episode worse... but in this scene dig feeling 😢😢
Cisco's such a stupid meddler
Matias Pereira It was Barry’s fault if he didn’t create flashpoint his brother would still be alive I know his dad was just killed in front of him but Barry could have stopped and thought “hey if I go back in time and save my mom I might make everybody else’s lives just as worse as mine before flashpoint like idk have your mom or dad killed!”
@@danger6609 i don't think that would've happened in real life
Matias Pereira Dude I ain’t talking about RL I am talking about the show
Danger! Do you forget when EVERYONE was on board with Barry going back in time to save his mother in season 1? I get Cisco is upset, because it’s a family member. But he NEVER had the type of relationship with his brother that should make him THIS pissed. Even if the timeline changed, and they were closer, we never saw it. So after a rewatch, Cisco’s initial pain made sense, but by the time we got to the crossover, it was ridiculous.
Sara is the biggest hypocrite across time and space lol. First thing she tried was changing the timeline so Laurel didn't die.
Sara shouldn’t even be talking, she should be dead rn but no they brought her back to life with the Lazarus pit… what’s worse intentionally resurrecting someone or unintentionally changing the timeline? I’ll go with resurrecting people lmao 🤣
Crazy that when you think about it, the message wasn’t about flashpoint. He was talking about Savitar.
Sarah knows full well that she wanted to save Laurel and would've done it if Rip didnt stop her from changing the timeline. She hasn't attempted it after Rip left the legends but she's acting like she's never attempted it with or without resistance
Also, it's always confused me how they were completely fine with him changing the timeline in season 1 but once he does it in season 2, it's not justified. Maybe there were circumstances in season 1 that made people more willing to accept his decision but I can't remember those circumstances if they existed
There isn’t, they fully supported Barry’s decision to change the past knowing they would be affected in who knows what capacity.
Zoom Maybe Failed To Destroy The Multiverse. But He Didn't Failed To Let Barry & Caitlin Becoming Villains.
i know how barry felt after everyone trashed him it feels as if there is a knife in your heart
As much as I understand why Cisco and Dig being pissed, Cisco definitely screwed up here cuz it’s literally not the time to split the team up and he just couldn’t wait until the war is over. Worse part being the legends that does just as much shit if not more than Barry acting like they’re saint that have all the right to be pissed at Barry that did it once. Writers really got or should get underpaid for this one.
The legends prob never knew about this, and they saying to Barry, they knew the consequences
I never understood how Barry going back in time changed which sperm cell of Diggle's won the race
Idk they couldn’t made the baby at a different time because of some time reason or something
The way it's explained is that even though Barry saving his mother and creating a new time after preventing himself from doing is that you how when a speedster breaks the sound barrier, they create a Sonic boom. When a speedster goes back in time, they create a time boom. The boom itself creates ripples in time changing other events. So, as said even though they don't directly correlate, certain events will change, even if you overwrite them. Basically, this is why you don't fuck with time
Sara was awfully quick to pass judgment. She got her time travel with a instruction manual in Gideon and rip. Barry got his time travel with a supervillain. Ofcourse Barry didn't know what could happen and why not to do it
When Supergirl said "Some of our lives, like who" I kind of wish he said, "Well not you, parallel earth girl"
I never understood why Diggle got SO pissed bc like.... you still have a child
Because he's a selfish idiot
It's because, what gave Barry that right to tamper with time, changing others' lives?
@@CellJr. he didn't do it on purpose
Then you seriously didn't know the value of baby girl. But yeah he still got a baby.🤷🏻♂️
Because he HAD a child. One now he will never get to know, and het once loved with all his heart. He loves the new one just as much, but accident or not it's a tough thing to accept
I understand everyone else’s anger, but the legends AKA Sara shouldn’t be angry, because her and Barry are kinda in the same boat when it comes down to time traveling
Ik the legends ain't talking, mfs are the most irresponsible people when it comes to time travel.
Barry is more responsible than them.
The man that went back in time didn’t think about the consequences that led to someone having a son instead of a daughter or a daughter side of a son. I don’t know. His best friend’s brother died?..VERUS people that go back in time to make sure the course goes straight to make sure the earth doesn’t come hell hmmm
Looks like Oliver fixed it after crisis.
1:49 excuse me, if i remember correctly Sarah tried to change the timeline herself to bring her sister back. You have no right to judge Barry this much, if anything you should've empathised with him the most, such a hypocrite
I get cisco was mad but what he did was selfish it wasn’t just barry’s well being at stake it was the teams focus now they’re unhinged cisco put the team at risk
Cisco was an idiot in season 3. He had no right to be angry in my opinion
@@matiaspereira9382 His brother died because of Barry 💀
@@aamateen75bro what that’s not as bad💀
Nah I love Oliver because even tho he understands how the others feel he’s on Barry’s side because if he had the power he would have saved his loved ones too
Oliver knew, he would do the same as Barry did, that is called "a human mistake", which all could do, but they don't want to understood that. Barry had his own reason, Oliver just understood what Barry wanted to do 'in a good way' and Oliver won't leave Barry alone. Good...no...Best Friend won't leave you!
Kara and Oliver true friends. Cisco Traitor friend turn his back on Barry when things gets complicated.
For someone intelligent as Cisco. Exposing that fact during the time of war is the best way to cut down people morals. Good job
The implications Barry! The implications!
it would've helped a bit if barry just told them that his dad was murdered in the same house where HIS mom was murdered and decided he had enough and went back in time to save his mom
Is is so cute when the flash asked Supergirl do she still trusted him
I hate how everyone treats Barry in the comics batman understood why he did it he doesn't get angry he sympathized with Barry.
That’s literally what happened after this scene with Oliver he said he understood why he did it and if he was in his choose he would do it without any hesitation
sarah saying that bullshit about her sister and how she doesnt bring her back bc of the consequences is so dumb she tried like multiple times and she would've if her team didnt stop her
This. This was why Savitar was born.😢😢😢😢😢
Bruh the legends of tomorrow change so much in history
Funny enough this wasn't about Barry screwing up with the timeline (again) it was regarding savitar but they made it look like future Barry is talking about current flash not future evil barry
What bugs me about this the most is no one stops to think what Barry had to do in order to erased flashpoint and how he had to let his most hated enemy kill his mother.
Savitar said that the team "shunned"
or ignore him, is it because of the voice recording that said he cant be trusted, and team flash is just doing whatever barry said?
Barry made a mistake but he already paid the price. He had to ask thawne kill his mother in order to fix everything. This is enough for him
Barry actually did nothing wrong considering he was actually correcting the actions of a time traveller. The legends should be for this.
he did do something wtong but it wasn't on purpose 💯 he just wasn't thinking straight at the time , i mean he literally lost both of his parents and had to wash his mom die twice before , n cisco was annoying asf in this season like u did shit too and barry forgave u everytime but when he do something u act like a bitch
exactly, too many plot holes
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You'd think Sara and ray of all people would be more sympathetic since they know what its like to lose loved ones violently
They should have been more understanding than that and not be too quick to judge cos they are not the only ones to lose pple they care about. They were just being irrational
Yeah but even if they wanted to they did not go back in time and screw stuff up
They were also emotional because they wanted to bring their dead ones too.
even if its to save Ralph because of it he did lots of mistakes too far enough Barry has more on his plate post or pre or Reversal flashpoint it was not fair to be open to tell every one he is the one with a baggage of mourning a friend of his died his family sacrificed there lives no one cares but super girl can only trust him if Marley from glee is still in there sining Every time and outcast
to him
Ummm not ralph it was his mom
1:48 i would've yelled to her saying "i do whatever i want! I just wanted to save my mother so shut up because you have no stupid idea of how much i suffered!"
sara knows exactly how it feels.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 she has no right to scold Barry. Barry should defend himself sometime
@@matiaspereira9382 her job is safeguarding th timeline. by your logic, cops cant scold
@@phnoxie8312 her mothr's alive, but dad and sister are dead
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 anyone would want to save his or her family
I know this episode is old but this right here other than Kara Oliver and Iris, the way Barry was treated I would not have blamed him if he would have went savitar right there especially towards Cisco. Bunch of self righteous d bags. Okay I I understands diggles anger of course but for the legends hell no.
To this day, I get annoyed with how people treated Barry here. Cisco and Diggle had their reason but the Legends? Bro, the Legends are such hypocrites. They literally killed the TIMEKEEPERS (Yes I know they were kinda sus anyway). They fucked with time plenty of times. Sara tried to kill Damian Dark many times in the past and would have done so if not for her teammates. Hell, they lecture Barry about changing the past and how they only do so for aberrations. But the biggest thing is that Barry's mom's death IS and aberration. Reverse Flash literally had to go back in time to do it! So why doesn't Barry have the right to go back and correct that? What makes her death such a solid rule as if that was supposed to happen?
Actually diggle have no reason it's not like he was left whitout a child. He still has a child so what is he mad that Barry changed his daughter's gender to male. He won't even know. I really hate that Barry didn't insult them all and be like I don't care you would do the very same thing you are getting mad at me because I decided I wanted to have some to be happy again you get mad at me my father just died and
if I get to change the life of someone I love I will I don't give a fuck about you all hypocrites.
True. Nora Allen's death was NEVER supposed to happen and was NEVER a fixed point originally.
It would make better sense to leave Digg behind than 2 of your best fighters.
Digg had a daughter that's now your son. All you know it's raising your son and you don't recall it any different. Why are you so upset? If someone I knew could time travel and told me that I had daughters before he left but all I know is the joy of raising my sons, I would be like, "wow, that's crazy".