E13 - Skip Schumaker Ejected During Pitching Change Chaos & Why Laz Diaz Didn't Start Pitch Clock
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- HP Umpire Laz Diaz ejected Marlins manager Skip Schumaker for arguing a pitch clock violation no-call when San Francisco sent the wrong pitcher, lefty Tyler Rogers, onto the field when manager Bob Melvin wanted righty Camilo Doval instead. Let's talk about pitch timer & substitution rules. Report: www.closecalls...
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Although Official Baseball Rule 5.10(j) pertains to substitutions and states a substitute pitcher is not considered into the game until said pitcher takes their place on the pitcher's plate (rubber), it's the pitch clock rules that really riled up Schumaker and his ball club.
According to the timer rules for pitching changes and inning breaks, the clock starts when the umpire signals to the bullpen that there is a pitching change...but then resets back to two minutes (if it's under two minutes) when the substitute pitcher steps onto the warning track.
In this case, due to the confusion, the correct Giants pitcher Doval didn't step onto the warning track for quite some time after the initial call to the bullpen, so the clock operator in Miami simply held the timer at two minutes, knowing it would be reset to 2:00 as soon as Doval stepped on the track.
Schumaker wanted a pitch clock violation and automatic ball called against San Francisco for this delay, but the rules do not allow for a violation in this situation, provided that Doval is ready to play according to the prescribed time limits...that start not when the umpire signals the bullpen that a new pitcher is on the way, but upon said new pitcher stepping onto the warning track-all that "wasted" time was simply reset to 2:00 pursuant to the warning track reset rule. - Спорт
So wrong pitchers could keep walking on and off the field until the right guy finishes his bullpen warm ups?
Yes
That does seem to be the case. Hopefully people will get together and fix this.
I don’t think so
Not quite. It's a "fool me once, shame on me" situation, for lack of a better term.
Oh my god the scissor overlay you made me spit my drink out Lins
“the other 42” - the subtleties of jokes in every video are entertainment in itself!
You did a good job explaining the rule, but you should also include something regarding what Schumaker was claiming. If his pitcher was called for a ball in a similar situation, what made that situation different from this one? Because without context for that other game, you have to take him at his word, and then it just sounds like arbitrary enforcement of rules, which is never a good look.
Exactly. She never even addresses this in the video.
It took so long to get our moneys worth this season. It took 4:42 of the 13th ejection
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Lol
Skip's gotta use the loophole now to drag out the warmup and let another manager get tossed until it's fixed lul
MLB just needs to fix the rule and say as soon as the first pitcher comes out that's the end. It's the defensive team's job to have the right pitcher come out. You don't get rewarded for being "confused".. intentionally or otherwise.
Better yet, set a 2:30 timer (or whatever) as soon as the manager comes out of the dugout. Don't have any rules about who comes out of the bullpen when.
His problem seems to be that only one pitcher was warming up so it was impossible to send out the wrong guy.
That seems like a pretty obvious detail that was only stated at the beginning of the video and then forgotten about.
There always seems to be fun when laz diaz is involved
You better believe it! Especially last season with Aaron Boone ejection.
@@tigerlee1106 boone deserves everything he gets. Yankees and their fans are more than tiresome
Funny how he's complaining about the umpires when he really should be complaining about the rule. Umpires don't write the rules, they enforce them, if there's a loophole that needs closing take it up with the right people at least.
3:31 a pitch WHAT violation?
A Pitch 🐔Violation.
The clock resets to 2 minutes when the pitcher enters. Shouldn't it still be running and potentially hit 0 if until then?
Seems weird for sure. If the clock resets to 2 minutes when they take the field, why bother starting it before then at all?
Exactly
it doesnt show up here but i think the giants broadcast had an angle where melvin also signals for a righty shortly after leaving the dugout (before the one on the mound)
Can we get ejections to 300 this season?
BoMel actually signaled Righty clearly as he crossed the foul line; the Giants broadcast showed it during the top of the 9th.
So we need video of the base umps responding to the signal and going out showing the right arm, an anachronistic method. In any case at that point the right hander was in the game unless there were 2 righties warming up, in which case we need a name or number.
It’s a loophole. He got ejected to make a point and draw attention to the loophole.
His post-game interview comments suggest otherwise.
Seconds time I've seen a snafu on getting a reliever from the bullpen due to arm signal of the manager. Both ended with an ejection. The Mariners were in Boston and John McNamera the bench coach is covering for whatever manager was at a their kids graduation or whatever. John uses the wrong arm to signal for a reliever and was "forced" to bring in a lefty when only a rightly was out there. He insisted that it was just a brainfart and he wasn't even thinking about arm, just that he had one guy warming up and wanted to use him. John throws a solid hissy fit on the field and gets dumped. Everyone in attendance was entertained.
Schumaker had just been taken out of game 3 of the 2011 World Series when the Cardinals brought in Lance Lynn instead of Jason Motte. Lynn walked the batter (Ian Kinsler) intentionally and was then removed.
So basically he did not know the rule and blamed the umpires for that what he did not know. Gotcha.
All of this time stuff is ruining the game.
If the players hadn't abused the time in the past.. we'd not have clocks today... The worst offenders I've seen.. Papelbon, Hargrove (player, not as manager) and Nomar Garciaparra... a hole in the rules... can't be.. no, MLB wouldn't have that... (hell, our governments have that)
So Lindsay what was the Marlins manager talking about when he said that in the past they have gotten a violation for having their pitcher warm up for too long in the bullpen? You never explained that. The Marlins manager seemed to be suggesting that in the past the Marlins have gotten a ball assessed to their pitcher for taking too long to come out of the bullpen.
Loophole or not - in this scenario there is literally one 1 pitcher active in the bullpen. Not sure why that part is being overlooked...
4:42 Lindsay’s back with the Mario sound
Yet another letter of the law vs. spirit of the law. Correct by the letter... sketchy at best by the spirit.
So the managers don’t know the rules! Small wonder baseball sucks.
Giants have executed how many loopholes now?
Laz Diaz sucks
This is all Angel Hernandez' fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve seen the giants do this before, always with Doval
Looking forward to the breakdown of Angel Hernandez's 3 straight balls as strikes in he Astros-Rangers game the other day.
FINALLY we get some of our money's worth!
I think Extra time just means they were all chewing gum? Gotta get those product placements in! Otherwise, it's just confusing.
An announced sub is in the game at the time of notification to the ump. That notification is the left or right arm. A fill-in manager once used the wrong arm and had to live with that pitcher. CCS cited the "unannounced sub rule".
What if two righty pitchers are warming up in the bullpen?
@@sfan2767 It used to be that a base ump would run out and tell them who should come in but telling the ump the name puts the pitcher in the game.
@@jamesmurray3948 "telling the ump the name puts the pitcher in the game."
This is a reasonable take, different from the pitcher taking the mound, but given BoMel signaled righty as he crossed the foul line (Lindsey missed it since the broadcasts didn't show it for another half inning) it'd be weird if he said anything but Doval to the umpires.
@@sfan2767 The arm signal puts the righty in the game. I was answering the hypothetical 2 righties warming up.
Unless you're leaving out information, Skip is right. Should have been based on the first pitcher hitting the warning track.
Skip get over yourself...
Alfred Pitchcock lol
When getting yourself tossed is the only loophole you can think of.
All this ticky-tacky timing stuff is ruining the game.
So, you want a 5 minute pitcher change?
@@Subangelisgives me time to get a snack
@@Subangelis your straw-man fallacy fails.
@@specter0023it *IS* a false dichotomy though.
No it’s not. They’re learning everything but it’ll bring more fans to the sport if the games have a faster pace.
Way to take a nice game and booger it up with so many stupid rules that NO ONE knows whats going on.
Wow the last video both players had 42. This video the pitcher has 42 and the layer that hit the single was also 42!
Have you every heard of Jackie Robinson? He was the first African American baseball player in MLB in the 20th C. and debuted on 4/15/47. Baseball retired his number in the 2000s throughout the league. Ken Griffey Jr. as a tribute requested to wear #42 on a 4/15 a year or two later. Now everyone wears 42 on 4/15, even the umpires (Edit: Umpires briefly participated, but no longer do. If the game is rained out some years have had odd Jackie Robinson makeup games with everyone wearing #42 in August, that's weird.
@@JustAnotherKatie that'd be Douglas Adams, right?
It's Douglas Adams day again?
@@stratbaseballman Nice nugget about Junior! I didn't know that!
Small correction: The umpires don't wear 42 on Jackie Robinson Day.
They are all saying they have fortitude.
Well that's interesting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Clocks
I have to laugh at how “fans” care less and less about the game of baseball, and more about minutes and seconds. Baseball used to be called a leisurely game. Now it’s all about being in a hurry.
Manfred has ruined baseball. Its unwatchable now. All this bs and nothing but Ks, walks, and HRs
Skip: “Don’t confuse me with the facts.”
What a stagmire!
Angel and Laz.....
Camilo's fight with the pitch clock rules didn't stop there. His teammates had to make a couple of mound visits and a yell at him to take a last second disagagement to avoid clock violations in the game. Camilo has a hell of an arm, but just can't manage the pitch clock.
they do that every time he pitches
Schumaker is a baby. His explanation works for why he was unhappy, it doesn't work for why he had a temper tantrum like a toddler.
Now remember kids...all of these clock-related rules are meant to SPEED UP the pace of play. I just don't understand why MLB cannot get their arms around this...
They do.
God what is with the commenters on these videos trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Game times across the board are lower than before the pitch clock was added. The game is demonstrably faster.
While the kinks are worked out shit like this happens. Occasionally. 99% of the time things are moving faster.
@@twinlamp their need to say “see I told you so” for every one-off event that extends game time despite the obvious opposite result of the new clocks. This will go away after this season when nobody takes them serious anymore outside their echo chamber.
@@twinlamp The REAL problem is…there are clearly loopholes in the game clock rules, as this video illustrates repeatedly. And instead of further codifying their rules, MLB is content to allow this to land in the umpire’s lap to deal with and as Coach says in the presser here, absent closing the loophole the individual umpires are applying their own adjudications. So, one game it’s being done this way and the next game it’s being done that way. It’s just totally unprofessional for the highest level of baseball.
Wouldn't you think that on a day when everyone has the # 42 on their jersey that it would be smart to clarify which pitcher you want by name....?
Change the rule to a 4 minute timer that starts the moment the manager comes out (🏳️🌈) on the field. No resets for anything. If there is confusion, welp, the manager needs to have better communication with their bullpen crew.
Video 6 of Petitioning for an Ejection Pace Counter in the description of each E video!
These clocks have made me despise baseball
The clocks are SAVING baseball. It's soo much better now than it was before even if every once in a while there's something wonky.
@@zachansen8293 They didn't need the clocks. They just needed to enforce the rules that were already written and get the teams on board with the emphasis of moving the game along faster
Wasn’t the reason for the delay the manager bitching?
As soon as a pitcher touches the warning track and starts the timer they should be considered in the game and have to face the minimum number of hitters, it is that teams responsibility to be on the same page for who they want and be on the same page. If someone in their coaching staff makes a mistake they should have to live with it.
Skip Schumaker had every right to argue this call since the umpires have screwed him in the past over this rule.
No, he didn't, despite what your imagination is telling you.
You can't exactly fault the pitcher for continuing to warm up when he didn't know he was called into the game. I don't know what time Schumaker was referring to but it seems to me when the correct pitcher was told he was in the game he came out right away, didn't spend "a couple minutes getting more pitches in"
As always the Manager is clueless of the rules.
The manager getting mad about abuse of loopholes is fine with me. I'd want my manager to do exactly that if I were an owner.
bush league by bob melvin
Skip Schumaker is a joke of a manager, needs to go back to the abyss right next to his mediocre playing career