I mean she was a divesity hire what did you expect(why women are considered a minority for hiring purposes despite outnumbering men is a mystery I will never understand probably because I'm trying to find logic where there is none)
Star Wars is actually not a dead franchise....we can now flip the script upon the radical secularizing republican freemasonic Jedi seeking their universal republic without national distinctions. The Empire are the good guys, despite the musings of Star Wars' authors: husband and wife. “A time will come when the enemies of Christ will boast: “We have subjected the earth and all its inhabitants, and the Christians cannot escape our hands.” Then a Roman Emperor will arise in great fury against them"-St. Methodius 5th and final kingdom ua-cam.com/video/_VdLCggbrh4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=DarthPorg
@@delta2372 That was the first sign they were going to ruin it. When they discarded ALL of it as "legends". There were better characters and stories by writers who respect the lore.
The state of Star Wars is living proof that you can't just throw money at something to make it good. No amount of money can magically generate creativity/talent. It's the one thing Disney can't buy.
Rings of Power is maybe a better one. I think the money is actually the problem. If thy slashed the budget of Star Wars by about 80% they would need to focus on story and plot as there would be nothing else to play with.
Luke in the original trilogy: "My father has killed billions of innocent people, but I know that I can save him because there’s still good in him." Luke in the sequels: "Well my nephew had a dream about the dark side so let’s turn him into sachimi."
Scream 6 had some solid meta commentary on franchises and their obsession with tarnishing legacy characters and replacing them altogether. It's one of the dumbest phenomenons in all of Hollywood.
If only there was a plethora of books or novels that explored various compelling storylines in this franchise that could have been turned into interesting movies 😳
Honestly the biggest red flag leading up to season three was Jon Favreau saying that there is no ending to the mandalorian planned, and that instead they are going to ride it as long as possible. There’s no worse death sentence for a show than to say we are going to milk it until it is dry, and then keep milking it because people love baby yoda
"There’s no worse death sentence for a show" That's not true. Most shows are made to make money, that's simply the reality of that business. He just stated what most other of his peer think and always thought. You can go on with the episodic adventures (Star Trek TOS, TNG, Stargate SG-1...) if your writing and production keeps things interesting. It's also a cultural thing. Usually in the UK, for example, a show has very few seasons and that's it, by design. In America it's simply different.
@@prince-solomon Mandalorian isn't really episodic like Star Trek used to be though. There's still a continuous storyline and quest running through the whole season and series.
That 3rd episode makes sense now. They were like: wth do we do now? Do we develop what we had set up? Nah let's bring Grogu back and get some Andor vibes in here, that'll work!
@@prince-solomon I do wish they'd take more cues from shows like Babylon 5. As cool as the season 2 finale was, immediately backtracking on that left a really sour taste in my mouth, and shows that they either hadn't planned past that point, or were forced to make significant changes after the fact. Neither is good for shows that need to demonstrate lasting consequences to decisions.
Arguably the biggest issue with The Mandalorian is that it already ended. The finale of season 2 was perfect. We don’t need to know exactly what happened after Grogu went to train with Luke, it was a powerful enough ending to a story in its own right.
strongly disagree. it didn't give the mandalorian enough closure on what will happen with the darksaber. the mandalorian's story is not just grogu being given to a jedi.
The other thing with the Mandalorian is that it's supposed to be more of a serial. It's heavily inspired by things like Jonah Hex, Renegade, Paladin and Usagi Yojimbo. It's supposed to be a slow burn that isn't pulling on your emotions all the time. That said it was clear Star Wars was dead with Kenobi. If you're going to have more bad going out than good and treat your legacy characters like that the franchise has no hope of recovery. Dave Filoni saved Star Wars twice but he's not a miracle worker.
Theres a theory going around which i pretty much agree that Grogu wasnt supposed to be on season 3, and this season was going to focus on reuniting the mandalorians, but since it was decided he needed to come back, the script was rewriten and the season feels all over the place
Now that's something I may have to feel about Dr Who, since they announced that Disney is getting involved. The franchise has been in the toilet for years, and I quit watching, but this...I just don't know. [EDIT: I am a Star Wars fan, but as a Brit, Dr Who meant a lot more to me.]
yo! but I think we need to give Rian Johnson more credit for writing this line. I think he was foreshadowing exactly the kind of Star Wars fatigue we're all feeling now with the theme of killing the past. We're all just catching up to it now
It's a well known fact that when all the anger and strong emotions in a failing marriage finally give way to indifference, that's when it's actually finally over.
@@redneckgoatfarmer You know, it's interesting you mention that, 'cause I've also heard resentment is a "closing stage" of a dead marriage. However, I've heard it said that the reason why indifference is "more final" is that with resentment, there's still the presence of very intense emotions, albeit negative/unfavorable. And as it was explained to me, any emotion is the presence of some form of interest, trace amounts of caring, just flipped. Indifference means the well of emotions are totally dry. Zero to work with or bounce back from. But still, interesting.
It's never the same once resentment creeps in. It's rare to rekindle that spark you had. It's just done and over with. At least Disney has the fans it truly wanted noq.
@@redneckgoatfarmer no, apathy. Apathy is death. And Star Wars is going to see what happens when you piss on nearly 30+ years of generations of different fans, meanwhile the only ones who stay are people blinded by nostalgia or have made the bed and are now sleeping in it.
If you had told me 30 years ago I'd grow up to hate Disney, I wouldn't have believed it. Now I just want them gone. Disney doesn’t want to give the fans what they want, they want to give the fans what Disney has determined they should want. They’ll bury these properties in the ground and then blame the fans.
I saw Star Wars when it first came out in 1977. I loved it so much that I collected everything I could. If someone had said back then that it would turn into a sloppy, feminist agenda driven mess with second-rate special effects and horrible writing, I would have thought it utter nonsense.
Star Wars was intended as a modern myth. By killing off, undermining or ridiculing the mythical heroic characters and their accomplishments, they have disenchanted the golden goose, it now lays rotten eggs.
The sad part is that the fandom menace are holding out their hands towards the evil mouse, begging for more rotten eggs and trying to convince us all that they’re “akshually fresh.” Until Mando season 3, people like TCD, doomcock, and others were singing the praises of Disney Star Wars via Rogue One, Mando, and Andor. What happened? Did the stench become too much for even *them* to bare?
Bringing back Grogu was the worst choice this show could possibly have made. The emotional beats around that were actually good. They had the chance to get back to mando being a formidable force without the constant toy adverts. Episode 1 of season 3 should have been filmed from the perspective of someone Mando was hunting, it should have been a horror film where their team slowly disappears like an Alien film.
I agree. I didn't care for season 2, but I did like the emotional goodbye with Mando and grogu, and they immediately retracted it. The show seems lost and aimless, like they don't know where they want to go. Which, my guess, they dont.
And in my opinion it wasn't planned when they started writing the season He serve no real purpose now, and sometimes seem static. In my opinion Kathleen Kennedy forced the showrunners to replace it in the book of Boba Fett
t's a free market. Nobody can force audiences to watch Transformers part 2,3,4,5 etc. or Matrix Part 75 or the Star Wars sequels or prequels. A lot of these movies are crap, but audiences lap them up. The fact is that mass audiences have low standards and are used to watching big budget special effects with little sense and non-existent storylines. That's why sequels do so well in the first place; audiences are to lazy for originality. Why are you watching Star Wars part 55 anyways? Go watch something new and original like Star Wars was in 1978! Audience is not part of the problem- the audience is the entire problem! Instead of whining about Star Wars part 10,000 the Critical Thinker should be pointing us in the direction of new, original storylines and movie making! It's a free market. Simply stop watching crap the big corporate capitalist studios put out. Improve the quality of demand and the quality of supply, put out by capitalist corporate studios will change automatically. Until then stop the whining.
@@khanchy You got it half right. A sequel to a movie doesn't automatically mean it is not original. You can have originality within a series. The problem is diversity hiring (hiring people based on quotas and firing those with merit but who are not minorities - basically affirmative action) the ESG companies (environmental, social, government impact of products taking precedence over whether the product is quality for customers - basically it is communism whereby the private sector is bullied into making woke products or else they get a low ESG score. Think of ESG rating as the same thing as the Social Credit Score but for businesses)...and the unions who can extort private sector by striking if they don't get what they want. (if pay is low the business has to move to country with low taxes or up the pay but it never ends because the dollar always gets weaker due to central bank constantly printing more money out of thin air and debasing it. So you need more dollars to buy the same things as the past before the dollar got weaker. Higher pay only grants you more dollars not more things you can buy with each dollar since businesses just raise the price of things to compensate for the central bank printing more dollars out of thin air. This is so businesses avoid giving things away for free. This devaluation of currency/dollars is known as monetary inflation and is the whole reason bitcoin was invented to park your wealth into a system where your wealth doesn't get robbed from you by central banks who just create money out of thin air, since bitcoin only goes up in value because it is finite rather than down in value which happens with your dollars.as.central banks keeping printing infinite amounts of.)
My thoughts exactly. Star Wars now feels like going back to a nostalgic location from your childhood, except the location has crumbled, forgotten, dilapidated, and all the friends associated with the memories of the place are either deceased, out of contact, not seen in over a decade, or live too far away. Modern Star Wars gives me THAT feeling. Such a feeling of emptiness and absolute carelessness for the franchise. It's time for them to close the damn book while they can - before it gets even worse. If that's even possible.
I disagree with Drinker on one point only. The appearance of Luke. Baby Yoda won't be trained by Tano. He uses the Force to mass text any other Jedi out there. Who in that era is left to train him? Who? Oh wait, basically just one person. And if there was some doubt in your mind what was going to happen next, when we all saw that X-Wing fly in, you're a f**king dullard. Some people super fans cried. I'm a super fan, but I didn't cry. I pointed at the screen and said, "Yup. This is what we all wanted and it's fantastic. Eat bantha foodoo, KK." Drinker is wrong. His arrival was set up and was foreseeable. Fight me.🤘
Watching this crap feels like I’m looking at a copy, of a copy, of a copy, but it’s filled with annoying woke BS throughout, just to make things worse. Disney can have it.
Making social media addicts your target audience, hiring people who want to insert their fanfics in the franchise and suffering from huge instances of nepotism can kill a franchise? Who could have imagined?
Lucas, probably. I'm convinced selling it to Disney was an intentional snub to be vindictive against all those "haters" he was so bothered about every time he released another shitty edit to his films
@@MrSen4lifE he didn’t sell this garbage for haters he sold it due to bankruptcy and his mental problems and board issues and it ended up destroying the franchise
I thought the same thing. but how could be possibly be thinking of a character from the EU? According to dear old KK- SW had no resource material as a reference point before the Sequel Trilogy lol so how could Kreia even exist? *rolls eyes*
It's not apathy, it's fear. "Fear is the mind killer". They're so afraid of offending any of the 'special' groups that they produce only bland, safe, boring products.
Whenever your feeling imposter syndrome and have waning confidence in your own writing abilities, just remember that a professionally paid, multi-millionaire screenwriter wrote down the words "Somehow, Palpatine returned." For the final installment of one of the biggest hollywood franchises ever, overseen by the largest company in entertainment, and they went with it.
what an insult. you have a whole universe of sci-fi magic bullshit and you can't even bother to have any sort of justification as to why your antagonist is still alive? it's laughably pathetic. no wonder they wanted D&D to get their own movie, it sounds like they were in good company.
Star Wars is actually not a dead franchise....we can now flip the script upon the radical secularizing republican freemasonic Jedi seeking their universal republic without national distinctions. The Empire are the good guys, despite the musings of Star Wars' authors: husband and wife. “A time will come when the enemies of Christ will boast: “We have subjected the earth and all its inhabitants, and the Christians cannot escape our hands.” Then a Roman Emperor will arise in great fury against them"-St. Methodius 5th and final kingdom ua-cam.com/video/_VdLCggbrh4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=DarthPorg
But how did he return? Why did he return? So many questions, its like a thing containing like mysterious and you want to open the thing and discover there are more things, lets call them boxes, containing more mysteries. It magical! Or as The legendary droid f&)#%er put “mystery box bullshit”
The mandalorian just blatantly giving up on the dark saber genuinely pissed me off. It would have been epic to see a mere bounty hunter ascend to possibly redeeming and reuniting his people but he flat out said “nah it’s the benches for me”
Did all that just to have it destroyed. Retarded af. Should have been Dins darksaber and maybe years down the line he dies and the darksaber is given to grogu. Imagine that a mandalorian, darksaber weilding grogu. No tho, let's just break it
Its the fact that theyve already told the same story in star wars rebels is what pisses me off im gonna be honest who really cares and wants bo katan to rule mandalore? She already tried and fucked it up wouldve been so much better if in the end it came down to a 1v1 with the darksaber between the two with Mando begrudgingly accepting the darksaber and Bo Katan to learn to be a follower was teased so hard at the end of 2 and its mishandled so poorly in 3
To me, the biggest nail in the disney trilogy's coffin was that despite managing to bring back the original cast after 30 years and not having all three of the main human characters meet was just unacceptable. That was the bare minimum for me when i learned that Luke, Leila and Han were returning.
It hurts to even think about it now… Hamil, Ford and Fisher…, How like how on this earth do you screw that up soo bad. Even Lando for the matter.. Shoehorning him in the final film was terrible.
Shocking incompetence that will surely be talked about for years. Imagine a Harry Potter sequel trilogy years later...and Ron, Hermione, and Harry never meet. Ludicrous
Sorry to be that guy but you made this comment literally a minute after the video was uploaded, you had barely started the video even if you were watching it at 2x speed
It's really astonishing how they've taken something so beloved in my childhood and made me absolutely despise it and anyone who talks about it. Good job.
Bravo Disney, It takes real talent to butcher the biggest franchise in entertainment, a massive budget and a vast amount of lore! Despite this Kathleen Kennedy still has not been fired.
Georges Lucas butchered it WAY before that with Return of the Tesdy Bears, the " Special Additions" that got rid of the originals, the unwatchable prequel trilogy. People act as if Disney had ruined something great. Star Wars has been garbage for over 40 years. Only their first two movies were good. But they were so good and so endearing that we can't get pass them and keep hoping for that magic to return. It won't. It can't. The problem is more with us now than it is with any of the creators behind it.
@@plastique45 All 3 original moves are fire 🔥 The prequels were fuckin’ fire… All 3 movies that is (not without flaws but still 10/10 because idgaf)🔥 Disney star wars has been on a mission to destroy something amazing. DISNEY FUCKED STAR WARS. One thing for damn sure is that no Disney project can change my opinion on 1-6. Masterpieces like them stay masterpieces.
For me the moment that made me groan and realize the series was dead was in BOBF when they make it pretty clear that The Mandalorian's new ship is the Naboo Starfighter. The n-1 is cool, but why would he own it? The Razorcrest was his office, home, and ride all in one. It made sense for a character like him to own. Going from the Razorcrest to the N-1 is like a contractor going from a pickup truck to a coup.
Truth-maybe even a motorhome to a coupe, honestly-I mean, can you imagine living in that tiny little cockpit-I haven't actually started watching season 3, but thinking of spending hours jammed in there (or days, I guess) gives me the screamin' heebie-jeebies.
To be fair he hasn't done any bounty hunting for awhile and just has been on a journey to reclaim his status so the N-1 works for now. It feels as if it keeps leading him away from being a bounty hunter
The problem with these big franchises is that there are too many people involved in too many projects. 1 man has a vision, 10 men have a goal, 100 men make conflict. The fact that their are so many different people working on each franchise means there is no vision or goal. How can there be when everyone has their own ideas and agendas.
Will Disney these 100 man at least had respect to each other and were able to create stories that don't contradict each other and together made a great franchise, but all it took was one wiman and it all went to shit.
I remember being so excited to see the force awakens & I literally remember thinking to myself “this is a historical moment, this is the first Star Wars movies in decades” and after the credits rolled I remember feeling hollow and empty over the whole experience.
I had that same excitement for Phantom as a kid. Despite the flaws, I can still look back fondly on the experience. I'm sorry Disney stole that from you.
TFA isn't too bad. The problem is, that TFA tried to build up for a trilogy, but the next movie ignored all the setup. There was at least potential in TFA that unfortunately wasn't used...
The problem is the wokening happened with star wars. The Wokening isn't just one thing but all the worst elements in entertainment industry broiled into a single toxic sludge. You get directors/writers with massive egos who think they can write something better and greater than the original but lack any talent in actually doing so. Often making changes that completely undermine the actual story and plot. Like how they're re-writing Peterpan to have the Lost theys because the lost boys wasn't inclusive enough. And for a reason, being said that girls were too smart to get lost like boys did. You get The Message crammed into your face every second of the piece of entertainment with the subtlety of two by four being rammed straight between the buttox. You get corporations digging up the corpses of your childhood to try and make them sing and dance once more in hopes to draw more money out of your pockets but all they succeed at flopping have decomposed rotting flesh bags across the stage and then screaming at you to pay them.
@@ridensroom6957 They practically are now, adapting only what already is the message. And then filling it with so many "jokes" that even the Joker thinks its too much.
@@alchemystudiosink1894 you're right. I mean, they even called the first movie The Force AWAKENS, for God's sake! Don't think that particular wording wasnt very intentianal . They probably thought it was very clever and meta too, the idiots.
@@tacosunbirth A lot of sources attribute it to Elie Wiesel, a writer and holocaust survivor, but it seems to have been in circulation for the past hundred years in various forms
"Those who forget..." I can't remember the rest of it. But seriously, Goethe was so absolutely right. You might not like the past, but without it you have no foundation for the present or the future.
When I heard that in the cinema watching the Last Jedi, it was so fucking out of place, it didnt feel like Star Wars and worse, it was not a Luke Skywalker thing to say. That movie was not good, and thats me saying it in a nicest way possible.
Disney as a company has burned so many bridges over the years that actors, directors and VFX companies have started avoiding them like they were some sort of plague of unspecified origins.
We've been so subverted that we cheer when one of America's largest cultural landmarks begins to die. We are so actively engaged in destroying ourselves because the leadership has been corrupted, we do it happily. I wonder what we will create to replace everything?
They're the film equivalent of EA. Latch on to a franchise and its associated company behind it, suck it dry, and move on to the next meal, like the Aliens out of Independence Day.
Lucasfilm was the same way: an utterly toxic environment. If anyone dared question Lucas, they were fired. Many famous Hollywood writers (including Kevin Smith and M. Night Shamalayan) have talked about their awful experiences with Lucasfilm and its soul-crushing creative processes.
@@derkeheath5172 M. Night and Kevin Smith have to be the worst examples possible. But yeah, very similar ego trip with one difference in that at least Lucas makes up his mind, with Marvel it's just constant changes up to the last minute.
"Apathy is death. Worse than death. Because at least the rotten corpse feeds the beasts and insects" - Kreia. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II The Sith Lords
It's like being a wrestler, and getting no cheers or boos, which is the worst thing ever. The crowd doesn't hate/like you, they just don't care about you.
@@wrmusic8736 it’s actually “Canon” more or less now lol, just with stupid ass Easter eggs that NO ONE would notice unless they did their homework, in order to understand the movie that they’re watching to THEN understand it’s story beats and world building. Fml I hate modern StarWars.
Seriously, the old Jedi games have so much potential to become movies. The stories of the old republic and darth raven are on of the coolest stories in star wars.
but that would require them to make strong and compelling male characters.... and we all know that "the force is female" i myself made peace with it that the closed i´m gonna get to seeing hk-47 in tv or movies was the droid in rogue one
You mean (Darth) Revan? Better to not have Disney disgrace Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 as well at this point....those were the best Star Wars games alongside vanilla Star Wars Galaxies
@@Devilfish6666 yes after watching episodes 7 and 8 i´m scared of them discovering that they have a boatload of content they declared no longer canon that would make great shows/movies
No, the only thing that has proven successful, including Obi-Wan the series, which has 3x the viewers of the Mandalorian, is stories connected to the original Star Wars, meaning the Skywalker's. These random "super hero" characters don't sell. Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker, and the rise of Palpatine. There are more than enough connected characters that can be developed.
Kathleen Kennedy is directly to blame. She made awful hires at every level, allowed identity politics to color every decision she made, and alienated the few successful creators the franchise DID have (Filoni, Favreau)
Filoni is an enemy as well. He's as much as a diversity shitbrain as Kathleen Kennedy. The reason he got lumped in with Favreau is *because* he's in line with Kennedy's way of thinking, he's her little plant.
F and F are clearly overrated. And don't talk to me about Clone Wars. The only Clone Wars I recognize come from Dark Horse comics and those 2d cartoon shorts.
The Luke reveal was perfect. They built up slowly, with a trickle of teasers for fans who would know what they meant. And then revealed Luke. Few lines, because they were acknowledging the limits of their tech, and then he left. Absolute masterclass. And then they ruined it.
yeah i dont know why he said it doesnt make sense. the baby is the only force sensitive character since ROTJ, why would Luke NOT show up? It was so amazingly made too, down to the music and like you said few things to say cause it wasnt necessary. then they went SIKE! we still need the baby with the Mandalorian so never mind the training. Whats the point of pulling a rug under the best scene in decades? Not bothering with the show now.
@@CarSVernon Right. It made perfect sense. In this era, Luke was the one building the Jedi Order so he was the obvious (and frankly only) legitimate choice to save Grogu. And the overall scene/ episode was very well done. But the decision to drop the storyline so quickly after a 2 season build was another reason that fans got upset.
They are just like those villains who like to build up hope on the heroes, just to crush it and savor the look of terror and desperation on their faces. Or so they say. They're not even trying to make any profit from the franchise at this point. They simply want to demolish, destroy and reduce everything George Lucas had built into ashes.
Luke was literally a digital Token, if this is enough to impress you, don't lie.. You probably enjoyed the last trilogy, you are just here because most of your entourage don't like it and you want to be "edgy" with them but in reality you are a NPC bro
My husband & I were about 10 minutes into an episode of The Mandalorian when he said, "This feels like the stupid movie you're forced to watch when you're in line to ride a rollercoaster at Disneyland."
@@EnDSchultz1That's..basically been the response to everything that fails. Either the audience were too simple minded to grasp its brilliance, or it wasn't "white enough".
@@c7042-u5g I don't think folks realize that "gay, trans, etc" people don't automatically enjoy a movie just because of supposed representation. That's like saying every non-vegetarian enjoyed Troll 2.
@@Shuizid yep...Hollywood also seemed to miss the point that replacing one female character stereotype with another equally irritating one, didn’t solve the issue around writing good characters and letting them have a story arc...but apparently if you don’t like the new stereotype then you’re a ‘toxic fan’ and it’s your fault the movie sucked
If Disney and Hollywood can write their own fanfiction, then so can we. Seriously... Some of the things I've read that fans have written (not necessarily in this fandom) are incredible and would have made much better stories.
Eckhart'sLadder and co. have produced content *WAY* beyond the stuff that Disney ever has! I.E. "Battle of the Dreadnoughts", a short film about a duel between a Mon Cal dreadnought and the Eclipse II then I'm really hoping Eckhart will expand on. Not to mention the works of FractalSponge and EC Henry, et al.
The prequels had good world-building and story-telling despite what many consider to be subpar acting and dialogue. In addition, the politics underpinning the movies were lost on the younger audiences while appearing overly simplistic to older audiences.
@@liamphibiaI have watched the films dozens of times, but I have yet to see all those "obvious problems". Are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual movies? 🤔
@@LOL_GarrusI think the prequels had a good format in mind, and on paper, the structure, premise, central plot, and characters are all pretty good. But all of this could’ve been executed better (in particular the writing, directing, and acting) Nevertheless, they still do feel like Star Wars, they do have some strong points, and they succeed at setting up the originals. Also, one has to understand it’s difficult to try to match the quality of the original trilogy, which is one of the best trilogies ever, and A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back are some of the best movies, period. So the expectations were probably sky high when the prequels first came out. But thanks to some of these shit Disney products the prequels look better 😂
It is so sad. I was a kid when Phantom Menace came out (it hooked me up in Star Wars immediately). I remember how much hype there was for episodes II and III. It was not just a movie, it was something different. Years passed, new Trilogy came... such expectations, so much hope, so much trust. Force Awakens was so confusing. When I walk from Cinema I couldn't understand why it was basically awkward remake of New Hope. But there was still hope. There was still expectations. I go to cinema for a Last Jedi. I never experience something like that. It was not that I didn't like the movie. I active hated it. It was like they spit in my face. I didn't go to the third one. I didn't watch any of a Disney series. Star Wars was death to me the moment I leave the theater after Last Jedi. And it wasnt easy for me. I loved that franchise. They killed it. I will never forgive them.
I was a kid when the original Star Wars came out, and I tried watching The Phantom Menace but it was such dog shit it turned me off every other Star Wars vehicle.
@@chalkandcheese1868 At least George Lucas was still in control of the franchise. Sure, the dialogue was choppy, but the prequels are as authentically Star Wars as the OT. Everything Disney makes is a cheap imitation of the old magic. So many more people are appreciating the prequels now because of Disney's bastardization with the sequels.
@@mojomac6592 I watched The Phantom Menace a few weeks ago for the first time in years and I was shocked at how bad it was. It got just about everything wrong. It didn't even have cool machines (essential for good science fiction) and that stupid little kid attacking the space station saying weeeeee! Just embarrassing. I think the major problem was George Lucas got far to invested in modern (at the time) computer graphics technology, he thought the look of the film will blow everybody away, but he forgot about everything else.
@@mojomac6592 The dialogue was not 'choppy', it was pure shit like everything else in the prequels. And people are only 'appreciating' the sequels because Gen Z is full of retards who'd eat their own feces if you infused it with enough nostalgia.
@@chalkandcheese1868 Look the Phantom Menace had its problems but it was not a bad movie by any stretch. It was flawed, but it felt like a Star Wars movie. That was the Prequel Trilogy in a nutshell, flawed for many reasons (George Lucas having too much control compared to the OT) but they felt like Stars Wars movies and there was definitely a sense of passion in the development of the films, particularly the world building and the plot was okay particularly when it all wrapped up by Episode 3. The Sequels felt like empty vassals by comparison, they didn't feel like Star Wars movies, the plot in them was terrible and they blatantly ruined the OT heroes to make way for identity/minority characters who were not interesting or particularly likeable. They also ignored all the work of the Expanded Universe as if over 20 years of writing material expanding the Star Wars universe never even happened.
Saw Star Wars in 1977 as a nine-year-old. Absolutely life-changing. Now, to witness the death of something once so profoundly inspiring is heartbreaking.
Had they just left it at six films and stopped there, all would have been well. This is why TV shows that go out while still on top of their game do better than those that overstay their welcome. They never should have tried to restart it.
You sound almost like me, (10 years old when I saw SW in 1977). The final blow was "Last Jedi". And while I did see "Solo" and "ROS" on Disney+, it was only to finish off the carcass and to make sure it was dead for me.
"You made your bed. Now lie in it." If only that were as bad as it was. They Amber Hearded in OUR bed, threw a meth-party in OUR apartment, and we had to move out.
As a kid who grew up loving this franchise, buying any and every action figure created for it and rewatching every movie dozens of times, its angrily heartbreaking to see it go the way of the dodo
The wasted potential is actually depressing. I remember when the Force Awakens got announced... I have never been so excited for a movie in my life. Just imagine if they took the time and patience to allow FANS of Star Wars to decide the direction Star Wars should go. Imagine a new Jedi Council, and actually interesting and dynamic characters, a final struggle that transcends the light and dark side of the force.... What a fucking waste
@Glokib it truly is. My generation grew up on it since the first movie. We and our children are the ones holding the money. Not to mention the indoctrination 2 our grandchildren. The potential is insane... Keep in mind that our politicians, entertainment, and news media have been hijacked and are under corporate control. Thus the Woke agenda.. apparently the "Message" is more important than making cash on a franchise. That should honestly scare the he11 out of all of us....
Used to love Star Wars. Grew up with Rogue Squadron 3D and Episode 1 games, and movies before attending pre-school. It truly felt fascinating; like seeing inside a world that actually exists. Then the Disney era started and it's just been one desecration after the other.
Luckily one can ignore Disney SW exists and be content with the older EU stuff. I totally understand if someone is burnt out on Star Wars in general, but I can still feel excited playing an older game, or reading a book from EU. If you wanna see good Star Wars, check out Darth Angelus. He has been animating the Thrawn-trilogy for a while now.
Same. Rogue Squadron, Battle for Naboo, Jedi Outcast/Academy, Republic Commando, The Gungan Frontier, Battlefront, Force Commander, grew up with all of em. Star Wars was my rock for like 25 years. After TLJ, BoBF, and Kenobi, I barely think about it anymore.
As a kid of 7 my mom introduced me to movies like War of the Worlds, The Curse of the Mummy's Tomb, The Time Machine and The Day the Earth Stood Still to name a few. Those old classics blew me away as a child of the early 60's. But by the early 70's I was sick of Hollywood. Many of the "Hits" of the day were rife with political statements and self aggrandizing navel gazing. I gave up on movies. So, in 1977 I was 6 months from getting out of the Marines and stationed in Yuma Arizona. It was a blistering hot Saturday afternoon and I found myself wandering around a town square with little to do since I didn't want to hit a bar that early in the afternoon. I spied a movie theater and thought Air conditioning and a cold Coke and I would kill two hours and THEN go into the bars. I didn't even notice the name of the movie on the marquee. I got my Coke and sat down in a dark theater just as the movie opened and from the opening crawl I was transported to a Galaxy far, far away and a long time ago. After the movie I sat in stunned silence and thought, "When did Sci-Fi ever look this good?" and the next thought, "When did Sci-Fi ever have a story this good?" I kept replaying the movie over in my mind and that's when I recognized I had just witnessed groundbreaking moviemaking. It, and the rest that followed, gave me back my love of movies, gave me back Star Trek, gave me the Summer Blockbuster. And the company that thrilled me and my sister as kids on a weekly basis on tv, that made the very best in cutting edge animated storytelling, took that legacy and destroyed it in the name of wokeism. In a day and age of technology when they should have made the very best of the Star Wars movies, they instead turned out piles of shit - and shit on every legacy character in one fashion or another. I am devastated. Two great legacies destroyed in a single unending blow of politics and I'm back to not caring about movies again. Full Circle.
Beautiful testimony. I was more emotional reading this than watching TFA (the only Disney Wars I watched....unless you include the intense hate for this movie I have😂).
I was born in the 90's but always loved movies from the 70's and 80's. I find the 70's movies were particularly good compared to modern ones as many scenes are shot in a long take, thus making it more realistic the way the actors talk to each other and how the story progresses. Nowadays every time someone talks, the camera has to cut to a focus shot on that character for about 5 seconds that they talk and it's like that for the whole movie. Don't get me started on shaky cam with action scenes...
They are 90% soulless corporates wanting a money printer and 10% SJW/feminists propaganda makers. To them every (shitty) film they want to sell is a mechanically created product. Repeating predecessors/tropes and putting "cool"/cute things won't create a story but they *can't* understand that.
I think the hardest thing to explain to people is that I love what Star Wars used to be. It was hopeful and it encourages the viewer to grow as a person. The first and second season of the Mandalorian seemed to follow a similar path. But when I slogged through TBoBF just to see Din and Grogu reunited I realized it was over. There were plenty of other indicators, even to a novice writer, of how poorly written TBoBF was written. However, Grogu's return reeked of panick from directors.
If the writers were going to have Grogu end up going back to Din, they should’ve at least waited until the end of the Mandalorian series or until Grogu actually finished his training. Their goodbye in season 2 is now rendered meaningless with both of them back together in season 3 like nothing happened.
I would have loved a storyline where Grogu trains to be a Jedi with Luke. When Grogu gets older he learns about the Jedi and Mandolorian's history so he grows to hate the Mandolorians. Eventually he has to face Din.
TBoBF actually was a sequel to the Mandalorian, with some side stories about Boba Fett. If anyone loved The Mandalorian, it was required watching to round out that story.
Rule no.1 of screenwriting: don't be boring. Almost as important: make your audience feel something - shock, horror, relief, anger, happiness, anything, but make 'em feel.
regarding the "make your audiences feel something". the most obvious way to do so: have characters that people can relate and care about. I mean, it's (obviously) not just a coincidence that the characters of the original trilogy (at this point: even side characters) are still being dragged out again. because a lot of really liked and like these "people".
Remember when you were a kid and you found out that another kid you just met like Star Wars? That immediately made you best friends and started long arguments about who's cooler, Luke or Han. Even after the prequel trilogy my face would still light up whenever I heard the words. Now I just get this heavy guilty feeling whenever I think about it, like I watched a relative drinking himself to death and instead of remembering all the good times I had with him, I'd rather just not think about it because it's too painful. Thank you Disney for ruining yet another part of my childhood
You painfully encapsulated a lot of my thoughts and feelings towards Star Wars these days. Remember the days when you could run around pretending to be force users on the jungle gym? Other kids running over to join in as they all wanted to pretend they could force leap. Those days were good.
@@namelessjedi2242 As 90s kid i can say that the same passion also existed during the prequel era, despite all the controversies on the internet the kids just loved them as much als the kids in the 70s and 80s loved the originals. But the sequels failed to get the next generation passionate about Star Wars and this is also what ultimately will lead to Star Wars just fading away with time. Without a next generation of fans, every franchise will fall.
There is no more mystery and excitement anymore in waiting for a movie premiere at the theater. There was nothing more fun than waiting in line for a blockbuster movie to come out. I will never forget standing in line for the premier of E.T. at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood in 82. I was 13. I remember everyone in the house was crying and cheering and erupting in applause at the end of the movie. I remember seeing all the adults and kids in tears of happiness as we walked out of the theater. The 80"s was the last decade something like that will ever happen again.
Storytelling is becoming a lost art. In Star Trek: The Next Generation episode The Inner Light, Picard finds himself on another planet married with friends and a community. He raises two children, grows old, loses his wife and a close friend, and has a grandchild. In less than forty minutes the creators have woven a tale where I care about what happens to people who have just been introduced while other TV shows can't seem to get me to care about their characters in an entire season.
So true. The quality of writing has declined precipitously over the past 10 years to the point where haven’t watched network TV since 2019 (exception later). Probably 5 years ago I started rewatching TNG on Prime and that episode (The Inner Light) really stood out in my mind. It was a great call for you to remember it and compare it to anything Star Wars, big budget movies included, in the past 10 years. In fact after TNG I moved on to DS9 (which I watched only occasionally in its first run, it just didn’t “catch” me) and then Voyager (really hacked me off Prime’s ST contract expired while I was in the 4th season), which I finally just finished using the free Paramount+ we got for buying TMobile internet service. Ghosts and any Taylor Sheridan show not called The Mayor Of Kingstown are also quite engaging. Anyway, I’d say ANY post 1980 Star Trek show other than Enterprise is better than anything on TV since…2000? “Corollary”: It’s been much of this century that I’ve wondered how much of the movie fare gets green lighted. Many will start well but fall apart after the first hour or so. I’ve heard that it may be because a script submission is only so many pages long. Getting the green light may be somewhat of a surprise because turning from story to a conclusion is often a horrifyingly painful, disappointing and surprisingly poorly thought out proposition. Again, poor writing.
I cared about Al Bundy. A man worn down by a useless wife, a brat for a son, a half-wit blonde but loveable daughter and annoying neighbors. I cared for Al because he took abuse from unhealthy plus sized women at the shoe shop where he worked. I cared for him and his fellow shoe salesman Griff. As for Disney, I can't care less.
If Disney made the Lord of the Rings the same way they made the Star Wars Sequels: The Fellowship of the Ring: "Here’s why the ring matters." The Two Towers: "Here’s why the ring doesn’t matter at all." The Return of the King: "Oh no it’s Smaug! Remember SMAUG?!"
The necessary end result of executives making and then parasitizing a purchase of IP they did not create. To quote Ian Malcolm, "You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox".
To be honest, I find Disney's acquisition of Star Wars to be one of the ultimate examples of "Be careful for what you wish for." I remember being excited for the sequel trilogy when it was first announced, but now I'm wishing we still lived in the days where George had his completed six-movie saga and the EU was an optional but fun way for fans who wanted more of the story to keep engaging with the franchise
“Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here. '" I apply the above to basically every single franchise I like. Warhammer mainly...
I dont know how could you think that LA Being bought by Disney was a good omen, more after they ditched the EU, with the load of ideas, characters and Stories they could take from there, only because they didn´t wanted to pay the authors of those stories.
What's truly shameful is they're not getting their own legacies of movie trilogies to build their pop culture around. There is nothing recently made that can approach legendary status like the old SW movies did. I guess Marvel got the closest, but then it was diluted down with so much crap.
I loved the originals, and I loved the episode 1-3 prequels. The prequels were what I grew up with, plus the originals all put together nicely in a way that made just enough sense and kept me on my seat to enjoy the whole ride. And now.... this shite. It's only good enough for others when they see how bad the franchise has become in recent years. So sad.
Yeah i also grew up with the originals and the prequels and love them both, especially the many video games of the late 90s and 00s that followed them... None of my little nieces and nephews have any real interest in Star Wars, aside from the homemade KOTOR D&D campaign that i played with them, which they absolutely love. It's a shame, and yeah, what really is there to replace it? Marvel? pff...
Just like you said Drinker, we literally did everything we can to save our favorite stories and memories. We were mocked as they destroyed everything. Now the stories are all hateful memes. Any money or interest towards them is charity at this point.
Charity that Disney won't get from me. I hope they lose more than just the Star Wars IP but millions of former customers who boycott the company and all it produces, as I have.
I like you that made this 2 weeks before they decided to throw Lizzo into the Mandalorian. Perfect timing, even though we all knew it was dead long before.
by not having a clue what you are working with. You don't care about Star Wars, you never watched original trilogy, but suddenly, out of the blue, you get to work on this franchise and all info you get is short notes about who is who in it. And you have 6 weeks until filming starts to write a plot. And your boss tells you it has to be about a female superhero, because she also doesn't have a clue but people fly in it and fire lightnings, kinda like Marvel, but with "laser swords". And so you are JJ Abrams and that's how Star Wars The Force Awakens happens. That's actually true story. Down to some Disney hack calling lightsabers "laser swords".
@@wrmusic8736 JJ Abrams had seen star wars I think. Pretty sure he talked about playing with the toys as a kid. But yeah all the rest of that is probably accurate
I said this before- the narrative drive and heart of Star Wars is a masculine journey from boy to man displayed by nostalgic music/visuals. The rest of it is pretty much like Dungeon&Dragons and most fantasy franchises. They are fanfictions to the fans, and creative games not great storytellings. When the masculinity or the journey is stripped out, the force is not there. Luke becoming a Jedi is more interesting than Luke as a Jedi. There are more successful films and shows of Anakin becoming evil, than there are of Anakin being evil. I don' t care about the Expanded Universe and I haven' t watch the sequel trilogy. I don' t know what the arc of the new characters supposed to be. I watched Rogue One and felt "meh" and I hated the idea of an expanded universe on movies, tv and games, where you have to watch too many to know what going on.
Yes, good examples of that are the governments of the world that used to be great, or at least functional, and are now dumpster fires, some quite literally, all by mostly self-inflicted wounds!
@@Account.for.Comment yes, some movies are story books and novels being illustrated. Plenty great of those in the sci fi literature and now in movies. Some great books like Dune can't/should not be made into movies, but they try. And when CGI became the "star" of the movie, and the plot was an afterthought, and "nobody actors" phoned in their parts, that's when the "wheels came off" the productions, or I guess in the case of Star Wars, the feet got tangled up on the "walkers"!! LOL :D
I'm pretty much with you. George Lucas wrote the original Star Wars scripts based on the Hero's Journey work by Joseph Campbell. This basic human experience resonated with the audience big time. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, he supplied them with treatments for the next set of series... a guidepost if you will... which Disney summarily rejected! Oh well... what a way to truly trash an time-tested 'license to print money'!
@@ionthegravity2 Well he was billionaire even before he sold Lucasfilm. He did not want to create anything SW cause people gave him so much shit for Prequels.
@@stevenschnepp576In retrospect, sure, the prequels had some major flaws (cue Jar Jar Binks) but he & many others put their hearts in this story, and younger me was glued to the screen for many lucky hours. Shame.
@@Landsknecht25 Yes, it's a shame that George Lucas got backlash and hate for the Prequels. But that shouldn't be an excuse to give away the whole franchise to a soulless corporation. I'm sure that there were better options available that he wasn't aware about. Of course the fans are not entirely innocent either. There's multiple groups that are at fault for this outcome.
I still fondly remember waiting in line (which stretched around the corner - no multiplexes with a dozen showings per night back then) at the local theater to watch Star Wars. It's weird how some of the animated shows like Clone Wars (both series) and Rebels have turned out to be the best SW content since the original trilogy.
What's sad, is that Disney had tons of ideas available to them when they purchased the franchise. But NO! They toss the Canon away as 'LEGENDS' because they don't want to pay the authors any percentage of whatever they made from their books and stories.
The franchise had a chance to be reinvigorated with the Mandalorian season 1 but once it started becoming successful the studio couldn't help but meddle and snuff out whatever lingering spark of life was left in it.
Such is the nature of those who gravitate to the corporate environment. And it isn't just entertainment. It's any corporate environment. Successful organisations start with entrepreneurs and end with CEOs.
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Baby Yoda has been the making of the series in terms of popularity, and its undoing in terms of quality. I've grown to hate the damn puppet at this point.
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulThey even screwed that up in the last episode. Hardly any baby Yoda. They must have thought we might like that so of course we can't have it.
Because they're soulless, they don't want to give you a good story in exchange for your money. They just want to take your money, giving you absolutely nothing in return. I remember when people in the '90s speculated about Disney's "hidden messages" in their animated movies such as Aladdin or The Lion King. Some said that Disney was satanic. Most people laughed. Cue 2020's nobody's laughing anymore because it's quite clear that they are the devil in the flesh.
But cavemen didn't have spectacular CGI, what else do you need?! We all know the only reason the OT was so popular is the advanced SFX, and Disney could do even better. Those morons will just lap it up, what do a bunch of nerds know anyway?
My father took me and the rest of the family to see the very first Star Wars in 1977. When we walked out of the theater after having watched it, and been totally blown away, he stopped in his tracks, turned around to face is looking up at the marquee and said we’re gonna go back and see it again and we got back in line. At least that’s how I remember it. I was very young. But I’ll never forget it and all that the Star Wars legacy has meant to me. It is terrible to see how far it’s fallen.
I’m sorry but if you think Star Wars then is better than now visually you’re being disingenuous or that’s just your personal visual preference that holds no weight on the entirety of Star Wars
Y'know, I think I just realized something. Back in the day, people erroneously thought that genre films and series were for children. Then they became mainstream, and somewhat more mature and challenging, and for a while, reached a complexity and low-concept engagement that took a bit more investment in story and character development. At some point, it seems that studios realized that this meant their merchandise revenue was dwindling, but that, if they just pulled back their strategy to explicitly targeting everything at children, lowering complexity, making it merchandisable again, they could still suck out the grown-ups nostalgia while also making bank with the kids. And that's where we're at now. Genre fiction is now more "for children" than it ever was, and in the worst possible way. Make no mistake, Star Wars in 1977 was eminently watchable by children, but it had at least some emotional weight and complexity to it that Disney wouldn't allow in modern iterations.
We don't see the gut wrenching impact of emotions of Luke walking up to his farm in flames and seeing the burning corpses of his family strewn out on the ground anymore. No, instead we get bouncy ball robots and cuddly space gunnie pigs and baby yodas as a mere facade to sell us on a product the was settled a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away...
I would argue what they make now is only for fools. It is the low quality fodder for the lowest common denominator. Who could still do better and have far more options anyways.
What I think is ironically funny is that everybody was so sure that when Disney+ was up, it was gonna "conquer" the streaming wars. That Netflix and HBO and other streaming platforms would not be able to hold up to Disney and all that. Yes the other platforms are not doing so hot today, but i feel like they are trying a little at least. I can't even pretend to get excited about a new Disney project.
I think HBO will come out on top - their catalogue is spectacular, and their shows (GoT, Last of us) are wildly popular. With the success of House of the Dragon, it’s now obvious how much of a cash cow the GoT spinoffs can be if written and produced adequately
If they haven't fired her by now, they are not going to, I remember hearing when "Solo" cratered at the box office that Iger called in the Pixar and Marvel people to ask them if anything could be done to right the ship, which lead to nothing and to Kathleen Kennedy staying in charge of Lucasfilm.
Right, I loved The book of boba, but I’ll admit deep down I wish they saved grogu and mando meeting up for season 3, I literally cried in the mando s2 finale
Weirdly you’re right, but mainly people haven’t been watching it due to the long wait for season 3. It should’ve been released a year ago yet they gave us 2 half assed shows beforehand that took away any bit of trust and excitement in future projects, even loved ones.
Nah. firing Gina did it for most of us. Before that there was hope that John and Dave would be left alone by Karen Kennedy but then she forced them to lose a vital member of the cast. KKK burned Starwars to the ground
I liked Andor. It felt like someone was genuinely trying to tell a good story. The thing that killed it for some that gave it a chance was the fact that it was so much slower than the modern dribble companies churn out for a quick buck. It felt like I was actually becoming invested in the story as I went on. It felt a lot like a book, too, with all the small but important details making their way into an interwoven climax and resolution which would be the end of the season, and not the episode. It isn't everyone's cup of tea, and it may have been better to have this as a light novel or a book series, but I'm glad that there are still people who actually want to try and tell a story at LucasFilms.
That's an interesting point. Tv and films move much more quickly now, and have a lot more action, than they did when the original trilogy came out. Kids watching those movies now often have to get used to the slower pace. I suspect that's part of the problem these shows are having with telling a story - the pacing doesn't really allow for it.
@@mb.2247 Not exactly true. While I loved the series, my best friend and his brother couldn't make it through the first episode because of the pacing, and he's one of the biggest Star Wars fans I know. I only hope there are enough people who do love the show to let us have a second season (and finger's crossed they continue on with the same quality and don't screw it up...).
@@saviordream indeed. The first three episodes are sloooow but it’s so rewarding. After ep 2 my eyes were rolling but by episode 9 my eyes had thug tears
Love & hate seem like quite logical opposites. Indifference is the middle ground, where you can't be bothered either way. But it's the worst thing, at least you keep thinking about media that you love or hate for a time, but media you're indifferent about goes straight to the realm of oblivion... no publicity from a marketing pov.
love & hate are opposites, but they are on opposite sides of the same coin, and are still on the same side of a larger coin. wether you hate or love something it envokes an emotional response so you care. the opposite of the love and hate coin is indifference where you dont care at all
@@prince-solomon wrong, indifference is not 'middle ground.' If you don't understand this, then I am actually in awe at how someone can be that emotionally incontinent. Not giving a single fuck is not in the middle of love and hate; I honestly don't get how you can think this
@@NTTofMistery love and hate are not opposites; who comes up with this crap? They are not 'on the same coin.' Love and hate are entirely separate emotions that have no connection to each other. Blind passion and hatred are more similar, and it seems you confused blind passion for love. I've never hated anything in my entire life, and I've also never got angry, not even once. It seems I am incapable of even feeling such emotions, but I have been happy, in love once, and felt other positive emotions. I've never felt sadness though, not even when my favorite grandpa died when I was 13. I just felt total acceptance My experience proves positive emotions are not opposites of negative emotions, but if you are stuck in a simplistic linguistic framework, that is the conclusion you'd reach, which seems natural since 'positive' and 'negative' are linguistic opposites (and are actual opposites in some cases, such as electric charge).
"Sometimes the only choice left to do is to stop caring. Make peace and move forward no matter how it hurts, because there is no reason to stay anymore"
Aye; thank you, @Chuck. I saw Star Wars in theatre a number of times. I thought, "The story of a farm boy going off into space doesn't scratch my itch." I've watched the battles, heard all the rhetoric and honestly, other than maybe The Empire Strikes Back I've had no interest in what followed. Lucas' own remakes added salt to some tasteless soup. But that doesn't give KKK any right to kick this down. If boys like going "Pew" "Pew!" as they wield their 3 inch figurines, boys of the ages of 40+, who am I to say No? But I thank KKK for turning Star Wars into pure trash. It means reduced income for a woke, Blackrock-kissing Disney and all of its groomers.
I knew it was going to suck when Disney first announced the purchase and they started talking about having their own canon. ‘New canon’ is an oxymoron that takes a certain degree of arrogance to try to establish. They alienated a huge chunk of their fanbase from day one
Not even a fan and that annoyed me. Like really, you are just going to take several decades worth of collective work from hundreds of people, an entire world that thousands of people were deeply invested in, collected, memorized and fleshed out into a whole world and just declare "yeah, mine of that stuff happened because we own the copyright now, so cope"? And you think that people are just going to accept that? At very best it made them very unhappy and ready to turn on you at the very first failure to replace it with something better, when they didn't just reject you entirely on the spot. It's a slap in the face of the entire collective community, and i didn't see any way that would work out well for them, unless they made some really miraculously excellent stuff maybe.
Bringing back Grogu was the nail in the coffin for me - it shows Disney doesn't actually want a story to progress and go somewhere - they just want to put something on the tv see what they can milk and move on once the milking is done
Right when they showed grogu in season 1 I knew the show was going to milk the character and not do anything interesting. We could’ve had a badass post empire bounty hunter story like the pilot teased but nope. The show turned into a live action cartoon with very mediocre writing
Shit, I'll take Anakin's speech about sand over virtually everything Disney has done with Star Wars (in Rogue One that hallway scene at the end with Darth Vader was fucking amazing. You get a point Disney in your favor against thousands of negatives).
@@SolarisKane that scene was nearly not made. Gareth Edward's was kick out of the film temporarily when the reshoots where being filmed. Then he came back and added that scene 3 weeks before release. I know some people at rhe cgi studio im vancouver that put that together, they were working double overtime shifts to get it through.
Doctor Who in 83 wasn't at it's best. Albeit it was getting somewhat better during The Seventh Doctor/Sylvester McCoysl's era than The Sixth/Colin Baker's writing
Like a lot of people I grew up with this franchise, it was the one franchise more near and dear to me than even marvel and now, much like with marvel for me, I can't even bring myself to watch the train wreck Disney has made this once fantastic universe into
I grew up renting the original trilogy from the local library on vhs reading every Star Wars book I could find in the early 90s. I loved it. To see it like this is very sad.
@@zippymufo9765 Everything is quasi-canon by that definition. Canon is what those who are recognized as authorities in the matter deem canon. There is no canon that cannot be changed, just look at the "holy books" that millions of people died over during the millennia. There is a significant difference between "I will keep what is good and if something interferes with my plans too much I will change it to fit" and "I will nuke it all because I want people to see me making my impact in the IP to fuel my overinflated ego". It's the same shit shitty managers do when hired.
One day, when Disney fucked it over enough, they will either sell the entire franchise or just let it rest, maybe with the occasional half-assed or more experimental film, thinking DC/Marvel early 2000s like. Then, the good stuff will re-emerge - KotOR will remain, Luceno and Zahn novels will remain, and, hey, we got Andor, which is a phenomenal show. And it will be remembered in a time when the whole other Disney shows are already forgotten. Star Wars isn't dead, it's just severely depressed. But it can and will get out of there. I'm certain of it.
I have to say, this kind of entertainment is exactly what I need while I'm fully focused on folding my laundry. i never have to skip back because theres nothing to miss.
I recently reread the Jedi search trilogy from the 1980s IIRC. I still wonder why something like these stories weren't made into movies into the (IMO) horrible prequels and sequels since Disney took over.
Then why are you playing KotOR 2? KotOR is the one with the well written Star Wars story. KotOR 2 is full of so much stupidity and terrible railroading.
@@LOL_GarrusKreia is an idiot and the writers never let you point out her obvious stupidity. She is one of the tropey Obsidian characters I cannot stand. New Vegas had them too and I couldn't stand New Vegas for that either.
I'm not a gamer but I've just pulled Heir to the Empire off my bookshelf for the exact same reason: I want to enjoy Star Wars with all its amazing characters and storylines, the way it used to be.
Kennedy's incompetence is absolutely shocking, and the only thing more shocking is the fact that she wasn't replaced years ago.
I mean she was a divesity hire what did you expect(why women are considered a minority for hiring purposes despite outnumbering men is a mystery I will never understand probably because I'm trying to find logic where there is none)
Right "incompetence" don't fall for it, she is a Misandrist that knows exactly what she is doing.
Amen, brother!
perhaps it's not incompetence (that's just the excuse), and the ones actually paying her are very happy with her performance...
@@GobbettTheGamer demolitions judging by her performance
When you don’t even hate something but stopped caring about it altogether is the greatest sadness …
100% The power to make a fan completely apathetic is a kind of super-power.
When you simply can’t be arsed with her…no matter how fit she is.
Star Wars is actually not a dead franchise....we can now flip the script upon the radical secularizing republican freemasonic Jedi seeking their universal republic without national distinctions.
The Empire are the good guys, despite the musings of Star Wars' authors: husband and wife.
“A time will come when the enemies of Christ will boast: “We have subjected the earth and all its inhabitants, and the Christians cannot escape our hands.” Then a Roman Emperor will arise in great fury against them"-St. Methodius
5th and final kingdom
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Opposite of love isnt hate it’s indifference
@@darylwilliams7883 If you're a writer, it's called and editor!!
Disney had this golden franchise for less than a decade and they managed to completely destroy it and piss on the ashes.
Remember how everyone hated the old expanded universe? like or hate it, it's still better than any of the shit disney has given us since TFA.
Well said...
*menstruate
@@delta2372 That was the first sign they were going to ruin it. When they discarded ALL of it as "legends". There were better characters and stories by writers who respect the lore.
Uhhhhhh remember the Prequels. They were HATED when they were first released
The state of Star Wars is living proof that you can't just throw money at something to make it good. No amount of money can magically generate creativity/talent. It's the one thing Disney can't buy.
Rings of Power is maybe a better one. I think the money is actually the problem. If thy slashed the budget of Star Wars by about 80% they would need to focus on story and plot as there would be nothing else to play with.
you can buy talent though. and they probably have talented people. but in the end the decisions are made by the empty suits.
Just face it it’s a childish story and we all grow up !
Its the psg of movies
The only people that think it's good are the counterfeit genders.
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of dollars unjustly earned suddenly went into Kathleen Kennedy's wallet."
Or Silicon Valley Bank.
@@rogersmith7396 **loses investment value** **proceeds to withdrawal more money**
It's as if a million Disney+ subscriptions cried out in pain and were suddenly cancelled.
It’s been dead ever since Disney got there corporate hands on it
Im the biggest capitalist system fanboy ever existed, but this way of wasting makes me feel sick af.
Luke in the original trilogy: "My father has killed billions of innocent people, but I know that I can save him because there’s still good in him."
Luke in the sequels: "Well my nephew had a dream about the dark side so let’s turn him into sachimi."
@Spacetrooper Um, she was featured in Season 2 as Imperial officers serving Moff Gideon. Just think she's an undercover imperial agent, wait and see.
Scream 6 had some solid meta commentary on franchises and their obsession with tarnishing legacy characters and replacing them altogether. It's one of the dumbest phenomenons in all of Hollywood.
@Spacetrooper person ally she isn't bad as character
Yah it was a little ridiculous. They did Luke's character so dirty in the follow up trilogy.
10/10 writing 😂
I guess Disney bought the golden goose, and instead of waiting for it to lay the golden eggs, decided to cut it open and get all the eggs out.
Most accurate analogy I’ve ever heard
Clever statement
Yes, and you'd think this woke group at Disney would value something like "sustainability"!
they wanted to get golden eggs and instead all they got was goose shit
@@counterterror101 Yes, and we certainly have not seen any "foie gras" get served up from Disney lately. ;D LOL
Hearing the critical drinker talk about how Disney butchered Star Wars is honestly much more entertaining than anything Disney puts out
definitely
And better put together
@@TrayambakMeena Nope the prequals were absolutely gold compared to the pile of shit which is modern star wars.
@@TrayambakMeena After george lucas sold star wars to disney, it became trash.
The strategy of the Bob Iger is sell FallDisney to another woke Company for a low price.
As an Italian I want to say thanks to you drinker for keeping me entertained and teaching me English at the same time
Do you speak with a Scottish accent now?🤔
Congrats!🎉
Don't learn Ainglish from the Drinker, nobody will be able to oonderstand it.
@@frankgesuele6298 Lmao
@@Baelzar Except for Tatiana! Ha HAH!
If only there was a plethora of books or novels that explored various compelling storylines in this franchise that could have been turned into interesting movies 😳
They don’t push the ‘message’ though
According to KrazzyKat this doesn't exist.😂😂😂😂
Disney will corrupt the books with strong female characters and the message. Just look at The Witcher has become
I would like to see an R rated movie inspired by some of the books. At that point, I don't know what they have to lose.
@@saberalter1586
What everything has become, basically.
Honestly the biggest red flag leading up to season three was Jon Favreau saying that there is no ending to the mandalorian planned, and that instead they are going to ride it as long as possible. There’s no worse death sentence for a show than to say we are going to milk it until it is dry, and then keep milking it because people love baby yoda
I think he said he’d like it to be 5 seasons long
"There’s no worse death sentence for a show"
That's not true. Most shows are made to make money, that's simply the reality of that business. He just stated what most other of his peer think and always thought.
You can go on with the episodic adventures (Star Trek TOS, TNG, Stargate SG-1...) if your writing and production keeps things interesting.
It's also a cultural thing. Usually in the UK, for example, a show has very few seasons and that's it, by design. In America it's simply different.
@@prince-solomon Mandalorian isn't really episodic like Star Trek used to be though. There's still a continuous storyline and quest running through the whole season and series.
That 3rd episode makes sense now. They were like: wth do we do now? Do we develop what we had set up? Nah let's bring Grogu back and get some Andor vibes in here, that'll work!
@@prince-solomon I do wish they'd take more cues from shows like Babylon 5.
As cool as the season 2 finale was, immediately backtracking on that left a really sour taste in my mouth, and shows that they either hadn't planned past that point, or were forced to make significant changes after the fact.
Neither is good for shows that need to demonstrate lasting consequences to decisions.
Arguably the biggest issue with The Mandalorian is that it already ended. The finale of season 2 was perfect. We don’t need to know exactly what happened after Grogu went to train with Luke, it was a powerful enough ending to a story in its own right.
Yes, should have left the rest to imagination.
Apparently grogu was not supposed to be in season 3, they did reshoots after he was brought back too early in boba fett
strongly disagree. it didn't give the mandalorian enough closure on what will happen with the darksaber. the mandalorian's story is not just grogu being given to a jedi.
The other thing with the Mandalorian is that it's supposed to be more of a serial. It's heavily inspired by things like Jonah Hex, Renegade, Paladin and Usagi Yojimbo. It's supposed to be a slow burn that isn't pulling on your emotions all the time.
That said it was clear Star Wars was dead with Kenobi. If you're going to have more bad going out than good and treat your legacy characters like that the franchise has no hope of recovery. Dave Filoni saved Star Wars twice but he's not a miracle worker.
Theres a theory going around which i pretty much agree that Grogu wasnt supposed to be on season 3, and this season was going to focus on reuniting the mandalorians, but since it was decided he needed to come back, the script was rewriten and the season feels all over the place
"Leave the past behind, kill it if you have to"
This is how I feel about Disney products.
Now that's something I may have to feel about Dr Who, since they announced that Disney is getting involved. The franchise has been in the toilet for years, and I quit watching, but this...I just don't know.
[EDIT: I am a Star Wars fan, but as a Brit, Dr Who meant a lot more to me.]
A very funny retardation.
yo! but I think we need to give Rian Johnson more credit for writing this line. I think he was foreshadowing exactly the kind of Star Wars fatigue we're all feeling now with the theme of killing the past. We're all just catching up to it now
@@elstcman5 I think you're onto something there.
That’s how I feel about grogu
It's a well known fact that when all the anger and strong emotions in a failing marriage finally give way to indifference, that's when it's actually finally over.
GOOD POINT
Even worse is resentment. That’s not recoverable.
@@redneckgoatfarmer You know, it's interesting you mention that, 'cause I've also heard resentment is a "closing stage" of a dead marriage. However, I've heard it said that the reason why indifference is "more final" is that with resentment, there's still the presence of very intense emotions, albeit negative/unfavorable. And as it was explained to me, any emotion is the presence of some form of interest, trace amounts of caring, just flipped. Indifference means the well of emotions are totally dry. Zero to work with or bounce back from. But still, interesting.
It's never the same once resentment creeps in. It's rare to rekindle that spark you had. It's just done and over with. At least Disney has the fans it truly wanted noq.
@@redneckgoatfarmer no, apathy. Apathy is death. And Star Wars is going to see what happens when you piss on nearly 30+ years of generations of different fans, meanwhile the only ones who stay are people blinded by nostalgia or have made the bed and are now sleeping in it.
If you had told me 30 years ago I'd grow up to hate Disney, I wouldn't have believed it. Now I just want them gone.
Disney doesn’t want to give the fans what they want, they want to give the fans what Disney has determined they should want. They’ll bury these properties in the ground and then blame the fans.
You should have stopped being a Disney fan when you turned 16... you manchild.
I saw Star Wars when it first came out in 1977. I loved it so much that I collected everything I could. If someone had said back then that it would turn into a sloppy, feminist agenda driven mess with second-rate special effects and horrible writing, I would have thought it utter nonsense.
It's not just "hate"......it's a lack of trust; which is worse than hate.
Whatever happened to the phrase "the customer is always right"?
Around 2016
Star Wars was intended as a modern myth. By killing off, undermining or ridiculing the mythical heroic characters and their accomplishments, they have disenchanted the golden goose, it now lays rotten eggs.
The sad part is that the fandom menace are holding out their hands towards the evil mouse, begging for more rotten eggs and trying to convince us all that they’re “akshually fresh.”
Until Mando season 3, people like TCD, doomcock, and others were singing the praises of Disney Star Wars via Rogue One, Mando, and Andor. What happened? Did the stench become too much for even *them* to bare?
"...now it lays rotten eggs."
Just like me
Well said
A space saga
Perfectly said. Boba Fett was not killed off, but the most feared, effective bounty hunter became a "crime lord" who does no crime whatsoever
Bringing back Grogu was the worst choice this show could possibly have made. The emotional beats around that were actually good. They had the chance to get back to mando being a formidable force without the constant toy adverts. Episode 1 of season 3 should have been filmed from the perspective of someone Mando was hunting, it should have been a horror film where their team slowly disappears like an Alien film.
Absolutely agree
They... kinda already did that, in the first Season, with the episode with the prison ship...
I agree. I didn't care for season 2, but I did like the emotional goodbye with Mando and grogu, and they immediately retracted it. The show seems lost and aimless, like they don't know where they want to go. Which, my guess, they dont.
And in my opinion it wasn't planned when they started writing the season
He serve no real purpose now, and sometimes seem static.
In my opinion Kathleen Kennedy forced the showrunners to replace it in the book of Boba Fett
Like a magnificent seven kind of story. It's too repetitive. Season 3 has to be ballsy it has to have stakes. There's no stakes in this show
"It's not about money. It's about sending a message."
I guess they took Joker's advice a bit too seriously.
Thats marxism for you.
@@taags Jesus Christ, there's always one! 😬🤦🏻♂️🤡
it's about sending *THE MESSAGE*
t's a free market. Nobody can force audiences to watch Transformers part 2,3,4,5 etc. or Matrix Part 75 or the Star Wars sequels or prequels. A lot of these movies are crap, but audiences lap them up.
The fact is that mass audiences have low standards and are used to watching big budget special effects with little sense and non-existent storylines. That's why sequels do so well in the first place; audiences are to lazy for originality. Why are you watching Star Wars part 55 anyways? Go watch something new and original like Star Wars was in 1978! Audience is not part of the problem- the audience is the entire problem! Instead of whining about Star Wars part 10,000 the Critical Thinker should be pointing us in the direction of new, original storylines and movie making!
It's a free market. Simply stop watching crap the big corporate capitalist studios put out. Improve the quality of demand and the quality of supply, put out by capitalist corporate studios will change automatically. Until then stop the whining.
@@khanchy You got it half right. A sequel to a movie doesn't automatically mean it is not original. You can have originality within a series. The problem is diversity hiring (hiring people based on quotas and firing those with merit but who are not minorities - basically affirmative action) the ESG companies (environmental, social, government impact of products taking precedence over whether the product is quality for customers - basically it is communism whereby the private sector is bullied into making woke products or else they get a low ESG score. Think of ESG rating as the same thing as the Social Credit Score but for businesses)...and the unions who can extort private sector by striking if they don't get what they want. (if pay is low the business has to move to country with low taxes or up the pay but it never ends because the dollar always gets weaker due to central bank constantly printing more money out of thin air and debasing it. So you need more dollars to buy the same things as the past before the dollar got weaker. Higher pay only grants you more dollars not more things you can buy with each dollar since businesses just raise the price of things to compensate for the central bank printing more dollars out of thin air. This is so businesses avoid giving things away for free. This devaluation of currency/dollars is known as monetary inflation and is the whole reason bitcoin was invented to park your wealth into a system where your wealth doesn't get robbed from you by central banks who just create money out of thin air, since bitcoin only goes up in value because it is finite rather than down in value which happens with your dollars.as.central banks keeping printing infinite amounts of.)
My thoughts exactly. Star Wars now feels like going back to a nostalgic location from your childhood, except the location has crumbled, forgotten, dilapidated, and all the friends associated with the memories of the place are either deceased, out of contact, not seen in over a decade, or live too far away. Modern Star Wars gives me THAT feeling. Such a feeling of emptiness and absolute carelessness for the franchise. It's time for them to close the damn book while they can - before it gets even worse. If that's even possible.
You forgot to mention that the location is now home to a pack of race grifting hyenas.
Perfect analogy.
I disagree with Drinker on one point only. The appearance of Luke. Baby Yoda won't be trained by Tano. He uses the Force to mass text any other Jedi out there. Who in that era is left to train him? Who? Oh wait, basically just one person. And if there was some doubt in your mind what was going to happen next, when we all saw that X-Wing fly in, you're a f**king dullard. Some people super fans cried. I'm a super fan, but I didn't cry. I pointed at the screen and said, "Yup. This is what we all wanted and it's fantastic. Eat bantha foodoo, KK." Drinker is wrong. His arrival was set up and was foreseeable. Fight me.🤘
Watching this crap feels like I’m looking at a copy, of a copy, of a copy, but it’s filled with annoying woke BS throughout, just to make things worse. Disney can have it.
Underrated comment
Making social media addicts your target audience, hiring people who want to insert their fanfics in the franchise and suffering from huge instances of nepotism can kill a franchise?
Who could have imagined?
Lucas, probably. I'm convinced selling it to Disney was an intentional snub to be vindictive against all those "haters" he was so bothered about every time he released another shitty edit to his films
@@MrSen4lifE he didn’t sell this garbage for haters he sold it due to bankruptcy and his mental problems and board issues and it ended up destroying the franchise
People have trouble thinking in the long term these days.
As a wise old woman once said: "apathy is death."
Apathy is death.
one of the wisest
I thought the same thing. but how could be possibly be thinking of a character from the EU? According to dear old KK- SW had no resource material as a reference point before the Sequel Trilogy lol so how could Kreia even exist? *rolls eyes*
One of the greatest characters ever made...
It's not apathy, it's fear. "Fear is the mind killer". They're so afraid of offending any of the 'special' groups that they produce only bland, safe, boring products.
“Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.”
❤ Kreia. « It’s such a quiet thing, to fall. Much harder is to admit it. »
@@b.chaline4394 She’s probably my favorite Star Wars character. Her insights on both the Jedi and the Sith are great.
@@b.chaline4394 Wow. That's even better.
@@cyberdragon1922 She has so many great lines in that game; she might actually be the most quotable character in all of Star Wars.
Whenever your feeling imposter syndrome and have waning confidence in your own writing abilities, just remember that a professionally paid, multi-millionaire screenwriter wrote down the words "Somehow, Palpatine returned." For the final installment of one of the biggest hollywood franchises ever, overseen by the largest company in entertainment, and they went with it.
You know, that actually helps a little.
what an insult. you have a whole universe of sci-fi magic bullshit and you can't even bother to have any sort of justification as to why your antagonist is still alive? it's laughably pathetic. no wonder they wanted D&D to get their own movie, it sounds like they were in good company.
Star Wars is actually not a dead franchise....we can now flip the script upon the radical secularizing republican freemasonic Jedi seeking their universal republic without national distinctions.
The Empire are the good guys, despite the musings of Star Wars' authors: husband and wife.
“A time will come when the enemies of Christ will boast: “We have subjected the earth and all its inhabitants, and the Christians cannot escape our hands.” Then a Roman Emperor will arise in great fury against them"-St. Methodius
5th and final kingdom
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But how did he return? Why did he return? So many questions, its like a thing containing like mysterious and you want to open the thing and discover there are more things, lets call them boxes, containing more mysteries. It magical!
Or as The legendary droid f&)#%er put “mystery box bullshit”
That does, indeed, make me feel better about a multitude of questionable decisions I’ve made.
The mandalorian just blatantly giving up on the dark saber genuinely pissed me off. It would have been epic to see a mere bounty hunter ascend to possibly redeeming and reuniting his people but he flat out said “nah it’s the benches for me”
Yeah and then he has to decide his kingdom or baby Yoda.
Could be a hard emotional choice and make the series exciting
Did all that just to have it destroyed. Retarded af. Should have been Dins darksaber and maybe years down the line he dies and the darksaber is given to grogu. Imagine that a mandalorian, darksaber weilding grogu.
No tho, let's just break it
Its the fact that theyve already told the same story in star wars rebels is what pisses me off im gonna be honest who really cares and wants bo katan to rule mandalore? She already tried and fucked it up wouldve been so much better if in the end it came down to a 1v1 with the darksaber between the two with Mando begrudgingly accepting the darksaber and Bo Katan to learn to be a follower was teased so hard at the end of 2 and its mishandled so poorly in 3
YES. It was so lame...
Tht really disappointed me too.
To me, the biggest nail in the disney trilogy's coffin was that despite managing to bring back the original cast after 30 years and not having all three of the main human characters meet was just unacceptable.
That was the bare minimum for me when i learned that Luke, Leila and Han were returning.
It hurts to even think about it now… Hamil, Ford and Fisher…, How like how on this earth do you screw that up soo bad. Even Lando for the matter.. Shoehorning him in the final film was terrible.
@@88-V-..-A-..-N-88 agreed that is just mind baffling 🤷🏾♂️
Shocking incompetence that will surely be talked about for years. Imagine a Harry Potter sequel trilogy years later...and Ron, Hermione, and Harry never meet. Ludicrous
@@jimbody1448 lordy, don't give em any ideas!😳
Nothing made me sadder, and now losing Carrie means they can never undo it :(
I remember a lot of people being scared that Disney would ruin the franchise when they took it over, they were right to have been!
*cough* Rogue One */cough*
Same people had that reaction when Disney bought marvel
@@Miketz THATS ONE. ONE GOOD PROJECT, yippeeeee the joy
@@Miketz Well, I did not like Rogue One to be fair. I'm afraid that the only thing I liked since Disney acquired SW IP, is Jedi: Fallen Order game...
Tbf the prequels killed it.
Your reviews are more entertaining than the shows
Yep. They are so much more entertaining
I agree, his reviews are amazing, however i do some reviews too on my channel so hop over for extra entertainment (;
Sorry to be that guy but you made this comment literally a minute after the video was uploaded, you had barely started the video even if you were watching it at 2x speed
Agreed!
@Spacetrooper what are you on bro
It's really astonishing how they've taken something so beloved in my childhood and made me absolutely despise it and anyone who talks about it. Good job.
Every time I hear star war I get angered
Every time I hear star wars i think: what a shame, sigh and move on
Every time I hear Star Wars I think "oh yeah those movies and books I loved when I was a kid before The Phantom Menace came out and ruined it."
"A prequel to a spinoff about a character who's already dead. "
That's a good line, can't believe its literal.
Andor 😂 but somehow it turned out to be good
And yet it’s the best Star Wars thing right now
Disney's sure riding that Rogue One goodwill for all it's worth.
@@Lonovavir Lets be honest they dont have riding of anything else.
And yet it's still peak.
Bravo Disney, It takes real talent to butcher the biggest franchise in entertainment, a massive budget and a vast amount of lore!
Despite this Kathleen Kennedy still has not been fired.
She must s-ck a mean D.
Georges Lucas butchered it WAY before that with Return of the Tesdy Bears, the " Special Additions" that got rid of the originals, the unwatchable prequel trilogy. People act as if Disney had ruined something great. Star Wars has been garbage for over 40 years. Only their first two movies were good. But they were so good and so endearing that we can't get pass them and keep hoping for that magic to return. It won't. It can't. The problem is more with us now than it is with any of the creators behind it.
Women only fail up, she can't go any higher so until the company itself dissolves she will be a permanent fixture.
@@plastique45 nonsense. Sheer, indefensible nonsense. You would seriously blame the fans instead of Disney? I need say no more.
@@plastique45 All 3 original moves are fire 🔥 The prequels were fuckin’ fire… All 3 movies that is (not without flaws but still 10/10 because idgaf)🔥 Disney star wars has been on a mission to destroy something amazing. DISNEY FUCKED STAR WARS. One thing for damn sure is that no Disney project can change my opinion on 1-6. Masterpieces like them stay masterpieces.
For me the moment that made me groan and realize the series was dead was in BOBF when they make it pretty clear that The Mandalorian's new ship is the Naboo Starfighter. The n-1 is cool, but why would he own it? The Razorcrest was his office, home, and ride all in one. It made sense for a character like him to own. Going from the Razorcrest to the N-1 is like a contractor going from a pickup truck to a coup.
I agree. It was a BOUNTY HUNTER'S place of business.
With the N-1 he's going to have to find lodging everytime so that'll leave a nasty paper trail that may come back to bite him
To a Prius.
Truth-maybe even a motorhome to a coupe, honestly-I mean, can you imagine living in that tiny little cockpit-I haven't actually started watching season 3, but thinking of spending hours jammed in there (or days, I guess) gives me the screamin' heebie-jeebies.
To be fair he hasn't done any bounty hunting for awhile and just has been on a journey to reclaim his status so the N-1 works for now. It feels as if it keeps leading him away from being a bounty hunter
The problem with these big franchises is that there are too many people involved in too many projects.
1 man has a vision, 10 men have a goal, 100 men make conflict.
The fact that their are so many different people working on each franchise means there is no vision or goal. How can there be when everyone has their own ideas and agendas.
but one women can create shit faster than those hundred man ever dreamed of...
But this was one woman's vision. So your made up saying is worth bupkiss.
A camel is a horse designed by a committee
Will Disney these 100 man at least had respect to each other and were able to create stories that don't contradict each other and together made a great franchise, but all it took was one wiman and it all went to shit.
I remember being so excited to see the force awakens & I literally remember thinking to myself “this is a historical moment, this is the first Star Wars movies in decades” and after the credits rolled I remember feeling hollow and empty over the whole experience.
I had that same excitement for Phantom as a kid. Despite the flaws, I can still look back fondly on the experience.
I'm sorry Disney stole that from you.
TFA isn't too bad. The problem is, that TFA tried to build up for a trilogy, but the next movie ignored all the setup. There was at least potential in TFA that unfortunately wasn't used...
Revenge Of The Sith is better than TFA and TPM. CHANGE MY MIND!
@@heidtb6746 TFA was AVERAGe
@@heidtb6746
TFA was below average, at best.
What is simultaneously funny and sad, is that there existed an entire library of source material to mine, but Disney threw it all away.
Impossible.
The archives must be incorrect.
Can you imagine if they did that to marvel when they first took over?
The problem is the wokening happened with star wars. The Wokening isn't just one thing but all the worst elements in entertainment industry broiled into a single toxic sludge. You get directors/writers with massive egos who think they can write something better and greater than the original but lack any talent in actually doing so. Often making changes that completely undermine the actual story and plot. Like how they're re-writing Peterpan to have the Lost theys because the lost boys wasn't inclusive enough. And for a reason, being said that girls were too smart to get lost like boys did.
You get The Message crammed into your face every second of the piece of entertainment with the subtlety of two by four being rammed straight between the buttox. You get corporations digging up the corpses of your childhood to try and make them sing and dance once more in hopes to draw more money out of your pockets but all they succeed at flopping have decomposed rotting flesh bags across the stage and then screaming at you to pay them.
@@ridensroom6957 They practically are now, adapting only what already is the message. And then filling it with so many "jokes" that even the Joker thinks its too much.
@@alchemystudiosink1894 you're right. I mean, they even called the first movie The Force AWAKENS, for God's sake! Don't think that particular wording wasnt very intentianal . They probably thought it was very clever and meta too, the idiots.
"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy."
I'm a pathetic.
That is an awesome quote, where is it from?
@@tacosunbirth A lot of sources attribute it to Elie Wiesel, a writer and holocaust survivor, but it seems to have been in circulation for the past hundred years in various forms
Disagree. Hatred can be way more destructive than apathy ever could.
Is it though? Apathy is neutral, love and hate are opposites on the passion scale.
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to." Jesus Christ how accurate that quote ended up being! So accurate that it killed the future too!
"Those who forget..." I can't remember the rest of it. But seriously, Goethe was so absolutely right. You might not like the past, but without it you have no foundation for the present or the future.
When I heard that in the cinema watching the Last Jedi, it was so fucking out of place, it didnt feel like Star Wars and worse, it was not a Luke Skywalker thing to say.
That movie was not good, and thats me saying it in a nicest way possible.
Disney as a company has burned so many bridges over the years that actors, directors and VFX companies have started avoiding them like they were some sort of plague of unspecified origins.
One of the giants is slowly dieing. and it's hilarious to see.
We've been so subverted that we cheer when one of America's largest cultural landmarks begins to die. We are so actively engaged in destroying ourselves because the leadership has been corrupted, we do it happily. I wonder what we will create to replace everything?
They're the film equivalent of EA. Latch on to a franchise and its associated company behind it, suck it dry, and move on to the next meal, like the Aliens out of Independence Day.
Lucasfilm was the same way: an utterly toxic environment. If anyone dared question Lucas, they were fired. Many famous Hollywood writers (including Kevin Smith and M. Night Shamalayan) have talked about their awful experiences with Lucasfilm and its soul-crushing creative processes.
@@derkeheath5172 M. Night and Kevin Smith have to be the worst examples possible. But yeah, very similar ego trip with one difference in that at least Lucas makes up his mind, with Marvel it's just constant changes up to the last minute.
"Apathy is death. Worse than death. Because at least the rotten corpse feeds the beasts and insects"
- Kreia. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II The Sith Lords
Quite a lovely indirect metaphor for the people who actually love this.
sorry that was retconned by Disney, old republic never existed. So doesn't count.
It's like being a wrestler, and getting no cheers or boos, which is the worst thing ever. The crowd doesn't hate/like you, they just don't care about you.
@@wrmusic8736 that's a blessing, if Disney doesn't acknowledge the old republic era, then they won't destroy it.
@@wrmusic8736 it’s actually “Canon” more or less now lol, just with stupid ass Easter eggs that NO ONE would notice unless they did their homework, in order to understand the movie that they’re watching to THEN understand it’s story beats and world building. Fml I hate modern StarWars.
Remember: There is no such thing as "Too Big to Fail".
Go woke...
Mediocrity can destroy anything
@@j.desoto5870
Get broke
@@D_an_ Mediocrity is the new normal now
The bigger they are the harder they fall after all.
Seriously, the old Jedi games have so much potential to become movies. The stories of the old republic and darth raven are on of the coolest stories in star wars.
but that would require them to make strong and compelling male characters.... and we all know that "the force is female"
i myself made peace with it that the closed i´m gonna get to seeing hk-47 in tv or movies was the droid in rogue one
Kyle Katarn
You mean (Darth) Revan? Better to not have Disney disgrace Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 as well at this point....those were the best Star Wars games alongside vanilla Star Wars Galaxies
@@Devilfish6666 yes after watching episodes 7 and 8 i´m scared of them discovering that they have a boatload of content they declared no longer canon that would make great shows/movies
No, the only thing that has proven successful, including Obi-Wan the series, which has 3x the viewers of the Mandalorian, is stories connected to the original Star Wars, meaning the Skywalker's. These random "super hero" characters don't sell. Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker, and the rise of Palpatine. There are more than enough connected characters that can be developed.
Kathleen Kennedy is directly to blame. She made awful hires at every level, allowed identity politics to color every decision she made, and alienated the few successful creators the franchise DID have (Filoni, Favreau)
Filoni is an enemy as well. He's as much as a diversity shitbrain as Kathleen Kennedy. The reason he got lumped in with Favreau is *because* he's in line with Kennedy's way of thinking, he's her little plant.
@griffy ye My dad never left. It was for milk and he will be back any day now.
F and F are clearly overrated.
And don't talk to me about Clone Wars.
The only Clone Wars I recognize come from Dark Horse comics and those 2d cartoon shorts.
Filoni and Favreau drop as much terrible Star Wars content as she has in her time, some of it worse. They are the most overrated people in SW Fandom.
Are you suggesting that boss batch female and their equal-to-men-strong-brave-leadership is … is ineffective? 🥺
The Luke reveal was perfect. They built up slowly, with a trickle of teasers for fans who would know what they meant. And then revealed Luke. Few lines, because they were acknowledging the limits of their tech, and then he left. Absolute masterclass.
And then they ruined it.
yeah i dont know why he said it doesnt make sense. the baby is the only force sensitive character since ROTJ, why would Luke NOT show up? It was so amazingly made too, down to the music and like you said few things to say cause it wasnt necessary. then they went SIKE! we still need the baby with the Mandalorian so never mind the training. Whats the point of pulling a rug under the best scene in decades? Not bothering with the show now.
@@CarSVernon Right. It made perfect sense. In this era, Luke was the one building the Jedi Order so he was the obvious (and frankly only) legitimate choice to save Grogu. And the overall scene/ episode was very well done. But the decision to drop the storyline so quickly after a 2 season build was another reason that fans got upset.
They are just like those villains who like to build up hope on the heroes, just to crush it and savor the look of terror and desperation on their faces. Or so they say.
They're not even trying to make any profit from the franchise at this point. They simply want to demolish, destroy and reduce everything George Lucas had built into ashes.
Glad you liked it. To me the Luke reveal is what killed my interest in the series.
Luke was literally a digital Token, if this is enough to impress you, don't lie.. You probably enjoyed the last trilogy, you are just here because most of your entourage don't like it and you want to be "edgy" with them but in reality you are a NPC bro
Damn shame they didn't have a small library of books to draw inspiration from
honestly 🤦🏽♂️
Ironic considering Favreau and Filoni have been bringing things in from all those "ignored" books.
Had the same point. Take a book , donot change anything and it'd be a hit.
Don't worry they will ruin those as well.
They know they have that, they just don't want to acknowledge it until they twist it enough to fit their own taste.
My husband & I were about 10 minutes into an episode of The Mandalorian when he said, "This feels like the stupid movie you're forced to watch when you're in line to ride a rollercoaster at Disneyland."
"We made a movie for the modern audience, which was rejected by the audience." - Disney's epitaph
The Audience proved insufficiently modern.
No, Disney made a movie for people on Twitter, who only live there because they have no jobs and no lives outside of it.
@@EnDSchultz1That's..basically been the response to everything that fails. Either the audience were too simple minded to grasp its brilliance, or it wasn't "white enough".
@@c7042-u5g I don't think folks realize that "gay, trans, etc" people don't automatically enjoy a movie just because of supposed representation.
That's like saying every non-vegetarian enjoyed Troll 2.
@@Shuizid yep...Hollywood also seemed to miss the point that replacing one female character stereotype with another equally irritating one, didn’t solve the issue around writing good characters and letting them have a story arc...but apparently if you don’t like the new stereotype then you’re a ‘toxic fan’ and it’s your fault the movie sucked
To sit through a movie, and not give a damn if the main character(s) lived or died, is the death knell of the movie.
If Disney and Hollywood can write their own fanfiction, then so can we. Seriously... Some of the things I've read that fans have written (not necessarily in this fandom) are incredible and would have made much better stories.
Concur. The ineptitude of the big studios has been a godsend for us smaller content creators.
Why do you think Wattpad exists?
You mean like the great epic like the Star Wars Fart Wedding? ua-cam.com/video/UxKojvQqI0g/v-deo.html
Eckhart'sLadder and co. have produced content *WAY* beyond the stuff that Disney ever has! I.E. "Battle of the Dreadnoughts", a short film about a duel between a Mon Cal dreadnought and the Eclipse II then I'm really hoping Eckhart will expand on. Not to mention the works of FractalSponge and EC Henry, et al.
@@shocktrapproductions6332 exactly! Some of these shows and stories should’ve stayed in wattpad. AO3 is better anyway. 🤣
We didn't know how good we had it with the prequels.
They've *always* been good actually despite their obvious problems.
I would like to see Rose and Jar Jar elope.
The prequels had good world-building and story-telling despite what many consider to be subpar acting and dialogue.
In addition, the politics underpinning the movies were lost on the younger audiences while appearing overly simplistic to older audiences.
@@liamphibiaI have watched the films dozens of times, but I have yet to see all those "obvious problems".
Are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual movies? 🤔
@@LOL_GarrusI think the prequels had a good format in mind, and on paper, the structure, premise, central plot, and characters are all pretty good. But all of this could’ve been executed better (in particular the writing, directing, and acting) Nevertheless, they still do feel like Star Wars, they do have some strong points, and they succeed at setting up the originals.
Also, one has to understand it’s difficult to try to match the quality of the original trilogy, which is one of the best trilogies ever, and A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back are some of the best movies, period. So the expectations were probably sky high when the prequels first came out.
But thanks to some of these shit Disney products the prequels look better 😂
We were about halfway through the first episode of season 3 when my girlfriend said, “I thought this show was supposed to be good”
Indeed
Lookit “ Mr. I have a girlfriend” over there.
@@johncstokes75
hgahahahahaha
@@johncstokes75 the dark side has supernatural ways
She’s a keeper
@@weswolever7477 She's a-maginary. 🤦♂😉😁
It is so sad. I was a kid when Phantom Menace came out (it hooked me up in Star Wars immediately). I remember how much hype there was for episodes II and III. It was not just a movie, it was something different. Years passed, new Trilogy came... such expectations, so much hope, so much trust. Force Awakens was so confusing. When I walk from Cinema I couldn't understand why it was basically awkward remake of New Hope. But there was still hope. There was still expectations. I go to cinema for a Last Jedi. I never experience something like that. It was not that I didn't like the movie. I active hated it. It was like they spit in my face. I didn't go to the third one. I didn't watch any of a Disney series. Star Wars was death to me the moment I leave the theater after Last Jedi. And it wasnt easy for me. I loved that franchise. They killed it. I will never forgive them.
I was a kid when the original Star Wars came out, and I tried watching The Phantom Menace but it was such dog shit it turned me off every other Star Wars vehicle.
@@chalkandcheese1868 At least George Lucas was still in control of the franchise. Sure, the dialogue was choppy, but the prequels are as authentically Star Wars as the OT. Everything Disney makes is a cheap imitation of the old magic. So many more people are appreciating the prequels now because of Disney's bastardization with the sequels.
@@mojomac6592 I watched The Phantom Menace a few weeks ago for the first time in years and I was shocked at how bad it was. It got just about everything wrong. It didn't even have cool machines (essential for good science fiction) and that stupid little kid attacking the space station saying weeeeee! Just embarrassing. I think the major problem was George Lucas got far to invested in modern (at the time) computer graphics technology, he thought the look of the film will blow everybody away, but he forgot about everything else.
@@mojomac6592 The dialogue was not 'choppy', it was pure shit like everything else in the prequels. And people are only 'appreciating' the sequels because Gen Z is full of retards who'd eat their own feces if you infused it with enough nostalgia.
@@chalkandcheese1868 Look the Phantom Menace had its problems but it was not a bad movie by any stretch. It was flawed, but it felt like a Star Wars movie. That was the Prequel Trilogy in a nutshell, flawed for many reasons (George Lucas having too much control compared to the OT) but they felt like Stars Wars movies and there was definitely a sense of passion in the development of the films, particularly the world building and the plot was okay particularly when it all wrapped up by Episode 3. The Sequels felt like empty vassals by comparison, they didn't feel like Star Wars movies, the plot in them was terrible and they blatantly ruined the OT heroes to make way for identity/minority characters who were not interesting or particularly likeable. They also ignored all the work of the Expanded Universe as if over 20 years of writing material expanding the Star Wars universe never even happened.
I was a life-long fan. I was there in 1978 when it started. I don't care anymore. Well done Disney!
Same.
Same. Disney killed my love for the franchise. But at least Jedi Knight and KOTOR video games still exist.
@@JonathanGaeta🤦🏼♂️
I simply don't consider anything they make star wars there are 6 movies with a good ending. It's good enough for me.
@@Breedo Three movies.
"This is the heat-death of a franchise..." - Friggin brilliant quote.
Saw Star Wars in 1977 as a nine-year-old. Absolutely life-changing. Now, to witness the death of something once so profoundly inspiring is heartbreaking.
Had they just left it at six films and stopped there, all would have been well. This is why TV shows that go out while still on top of their game do better than those that overstay their welcome. They never should have tried to restart it.
All good things must come to an end.
You sound almost like me, (10 years old when I saw SW in 1977). The final blow was "Last Jedi". And while I did see "Solo" and "ROS" on Disney+, it was only to finish off the carcass and to make sure it was dead for me.
The entire West is dying. Everything that served as a societal bond, be it a love of the same films or a neighborhood block party is no more.
I remember that summer. I was 10...
"You made your bed. Now lie in it."
If only that were as bad as it was.
They Amber Hearded in OUR bed, threw a meth-party in OUR apartment, and we had to move out.
This got me. Thank you
“the opposite of love isn’t hatred, it’s apathy”
@@TapiKoks what....
"Apathy is death!"
- Kreia.
Pretty sure it is, though ^^
the opposite of apathy is interest.
But I get your point
Correct
_Weeb shit_ guy here: Is this a reference to Psycho-Pass?
It's crazy that Star Wars went from the best movies ever made to the worst. Like how do you mess up that badly?
As a kid who grew up loving this franchise, buying any and every action figure created for it and rewatching every movie dozens of times, its angrily heartbreaking to see it go the way of the dodo
Truly is.... right along with our culture,society, & Country
The wasted potential is actually depressing. I remember when the Force Awakens got announced... I have never been so excited for a movie in my life. Just imagine if they took the time and patience to allow FANS of Star Wars to decide the direction Star Wars should go. Imagine a new Jedi Council, and actually interesting and dynamic characters, a final struggle that transcends the light and dark side of the force.... What a fucking waste
@Glokib it truly is. My generation grew up on it since the first movie. We and our children are the ones holding the money. Not to mention the indoctrination 2 our grandchildren. The potential is insane...
Keep in mind that our politicians, entertainment, and news media have been hijacked and are under corporate control. Thus the Woke agenda.. apparently the "Message" is more important than making cash on a franchise. That should honestly scare the he11 out of all of us....
@@fredstriker2042 You’ve been watching too much Tucker Carlson.
Im embarrassed what I spent on this franchise until The Last Jedi. Not a penny since.
Used to love Star Wars. Grew up with Rogue Squadron 3D and Episode 1 games, and movies before attending pre-school. It truly felt fascinating; like seeing inside a world that actually exists.
Then the Disney era started and it's just been one desecration after the other.
Right, movie 1-3 were criticized so much at the time, yet it seems it could have been way worse. As proven now.
Newsflash: STAR WARS IS NOT REAL!
@@Foebane72 Are you suggesting it involves actors?
Luckily one can ignore Disney SW exists and be content with the older EU stuff. I totally understand if someone is burnt out on Star Wars in general, but I can still feel excited playing an older game, or reading a book from EU. If you wanna see good Star Wars, check out Darth Angelus. He has been animating the Thrawn-trilogy for a while now.
Same. Rogue Squadron, Battle for Naboo, Jedi Outcast/Academy, Republic Commando, The Gungan Frontier, Battlefront, Force Commander, grew up with all of em. Star Wars was my rock for like 25 years. After TLJ, BoBF, and Kenobi, I barely think about it anymore.
As a kid of 7 my mom introduced me to movies like War of the Worlds, The Curse of the Mummy's Tomb, The Time Machine and The Day the Earth Stood Still to name a few. Those old classics blew me away as a child of the early 60's.
But by the early 70's I was sick of Hollywood. Many of the "Hits" of the day were rife with political statements and self aggrandizing navel gazing. I gave up on movies.
So, in 1977 I was 6 months from getting out of the Marines and stationed in Yuma Arizona. It was a blistering hot Saturday afternoon and I found myself wandering around a town square with little to do since I didn't want to hit a bar that early in the afternoon. I spied a movie theater and thought Air conditioning and a cold Coke and I would kill two hours and THEN go into the bars. I didn't even notice the name of the movie on the marquee.
I got my Coke and sat down in a dark theater just as the movie opened and from the opening crawl I was transported to a Galaxy far, far away and a long time ago.
After the movie I sat in stunned silence and thought, "When did Sci-Fi ever look this good?" and the next thought, "When did Sci-Fi ever have a story this good?" I kept replaying the movie over in my mind and that's when I recognized I had just witnessed groundbreaking moviemaking.
It, and the rest that followed, gave me back my love of movies, gave me back Star Trek, gave me the Summer Blockbuster. And the company that thrilled me and my sister as kids on a weekly basis on tv, that made the very best in cutting edge animated storytelling, took that legacy and destroyed it in the name of wokeism.
In a day and age of technology when they should have made the very best of the Star Wars movies, they instead turned out piles of shit - and shit on every legacy character in one fashion or another.
I am devastated. Two great legacies destroyed in a single unending blow of politics and I'm back to not caring about movies again. Full Circle.
Beautiful testimony. I was more emotional reading this than watching TFA (the only Disney Wars I watched....unless you include the intense hate for this movie I have😂).
I was born in the 90's but always loved movies from the 70's and 80's. I find the 70's movies were particularly good compared to modern ones as many scenes are shot in a long take, thus making it more realistic the way the actors talk to each other and how the story progresses. Nowadays every time someone talks, the camera has to cut to a focus shot on that character for about 5 seconds that they talk and it's like that for the whole movie. Don't get me started on shaky cam with action scenes...
You said it right there: "a formative experience". Disney doesnt want those, theyre antithetical to the transhumanism they desire.
Yep.
They are 90% soulless corporates wanting a money printer and 10% SJW/feminists propaganda makers.
To them every (shitty) film they want to sell is a mechanically created product.
Repeating predecessors/tropes and putting "cool"/cute things won't create a story but they *can't* understand that.
thank you someone had to say it, most the dummies in the world never even heard of transhumanism or think its sexual
From a formative experience to a formulaic experience.
I think the hardest thing to explain to people is that I love what Star Wars used to be. It was hopeful and it encourages the viewer to grow as a person. The first and second season of the Mandalorian seemed to follow a similar path. But when I slogged through TBoBF just to see Din and Grogu reunited I realized it was over. There were plenty of other indicators, even to a novice writer, of how poorly written TBoBF was written. However, Grogu's return reeked of panick from directors.
If the writers were going to have Grogu end up going back to Din, they should’ve at least waited until the end of the Mandalorian series or until Grogu actually finished his training. Their goodbye in season 2 is now rendered meaningless with both of them back together in season 3 like nothing happened.
I heard everyone’s favorite producer K. Kennedy forced Grogu back w Mando because she was terrified of losing her cash cow.
Star Wars started its downward trajectory with Return of the Jedi. It hasn't been what it used to be in literally 43 years!
I would have loved a storyline where Grogu trains to be a Jedi with Luke. When Grogu gets older he learns about the Jedi and Mandolorian's history so he grows to hate the Mandolorians. Eventually he has to face Din.
TBoBF actually was a sequel to the Mandalorian, with some side stories about Boba Fett.
If anyone loved The Mandalorian, it was required watching to round out that story.
Rule no.1 of screenwriting: don't be boring. Almost as important: make your audience feel something - shock, horror, relief, anger, happiness, anything, but make 'em feel.
Rule No. 2: Don’t make them feel shocked, angered, or horrified because of how bad your production is.
@@cr1ym unless you're Neil Breen or James Nguyen, in which case that's your selling point.
I feel amused watching Disney get knocked down a peg. Does that count?
So bad that watching Chewbacca take a sh@t more interesting.
regarding the "make your audiences feel something". the most obvious way to do so: have characters that people can relate and care about.
I mean, it's (obviously) not just a coincidence that the characters of the original trilogy (at this point: even side characters) are still being dragged out again. because a lot of really liked and like these "people".
Remember when you were a kid and you found out that another kid you just met like Star Wars? That immediately made you best friends and started long arguments about who's cooler, Luke or Han. Even after the prequel trilogy my face would still light up whenever I heard the words. Now I just get this heavy guilty feeling whenever I think about it, like I watched a relative drinking himself to death and instead of remembering all the good times I had with him, I'd rather just not think about it because it's too painful. Thank you Disney for ruining yet another part of my childhood
Han. Han is cooler. There was never any argument there. If the other kid said Luke then they were weird and it was best to move on.
I don’t remember that because every kid liked Star Wars. Every adult, too. It was a given. This was in the 70’s and 80’s mind you.
You painfully encapsulated a lot of my thoughts and feelings towards Star Wars these days.
Remember the days when you could run around pretending to be force users on the jungle gym? Other kids running over to join in as they all wanted to pretend they could force leap. Those days were good.
@@namelessjedi2242 As 90s kid i can say that the same passion also existed during the prequel era, despite all the controversies on the internet the kids just loved them as much als the kids in the 70s and 80s loved the originals. But the sequels failed to get the next generation passionate about Star Wars and this is also what ultimately will lead to Star Wars just fading away with time.
Without a next generation of fans, every franchise will fall.
I member
There is no more mystery and excitement anymore in waiting for a movie premiere at the theater. There was nothing more fun than waiting in line for a blockbuster movie to come out.
I will never forget standing in line for the premier of E.T. at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood in 82. I was 13. I remember everyone in the house was crying and cheering and erupting in applause at the end of the movie.
I remember seeing all the adults and kids in tears of happiness as we walked out of the theater.
The 80"s was the last decade something like that will ever happen again.
Storytelling is becoming a lost art. In Star Trek: The Next Generation episode The Inner Light, Picard finds himself on another planet married with friends and a community. He raises two children, grows old, loses his wife and a close friend, and has a grandchild. In less than forty minutes the creators have woven a tale where I care about what happens to people who have just been introduced while other TV shows can't seem to get me to care about their characters in an entire season.
Legit man. All this shit is inspiring me to make my own movie. The whole "be the change you wanna see in the world" deal.
That’s because they are not characters anymore. They are vessels for the message.
So true. The quality of writing has declined precipitously over the past 10 years to the point where haven’t watched network TV since 2019 (exception later). Probably 5 years ago I started rewatching TNG on Prime and that episode (The Inner Light) really stood out in my mind. It was a great call for you to remember it and compare it to anything Star Wars, big budget movies included, in the past 10 years. In fact after TNG I moved on to DS9 (which I watched only occasionally in its first run, it just didn’t “catch” me) and then Voyager (really hacked me off Prime’s ST contract expired while I was in the 4th season), which I finally just finished using the free Paramount+ we got for buying TMobile internet service. Ghosts and any Taylor Sheridan show not called The Mayor Of Kingstown are also quite engaging. Anyway, I’d say ANY post 1980 Star Trek show other than Enterprise is better than anything on TV since…2000?
“Corollary”: It’s been much of this century that I’ve wondered how much of the movie fare gets green lighted. Many will start well but fall apart after the first hour or so. I’ve heard that it may be because a script submission is only so many pages long. Getting the green light may be somewhat of a surprise because turning from story to a conclusion is often a horrifyingly painful, disappointing and surprisingly poorly thought out proposition. Again, poor writing.
Or yesterday's Enterprise. They got us to care about a love story between two characters who would not go beyond that episode.
I cared about Al Bundy. A man worn down by a useless wife, a brat for a son, a half-wit blonde but loveable daughter and annoying neighbors. I cared for Al because he took abuse from unhealthy plus sized women at the shoe shop where he worked. I cared for him and his fellow shoe salesman Griff. As for Disney, I can't care less.
If Disney made the Lord of the Rings the same way they made the Star Wars Sequels:
The Fellowship of the Ring: "Here’s why the ring matters."
The Two Towers: "Here’s why the ring doesn’t matter at all."
The Return of the King: "Oh no it’s Smaug! Remember SMAUG?!"
Fuck, you're right XDDD
Rings of Power all over again
I read this in the voice of Mike from Red Letter Media.
Accurate description.
That's actually brilliant and spot on. May they never do it.
It's sad that this happened to a franchise that survived the Holiday Special and the Ewoks tv movies.
They had to way _decades_ before trying another TV project
Ewok Tv movies wer fun tho
Caravan of Courage is still better than Episode 2 and anything Disney put out 😂
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@@itsfine9136 Battle For Endor as well
The necessary end result of executives making and then parasitizing a purchase of IP they did not create.
To quote Ian Malcolm, "You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox".
Ian Malcolm has a wide repertoire of quotable statements, lol.
To be honest, I find Disney's acquisition of Star Wars to be one of the ultimate examples of "Be careful for what you wish for." I remember being excited for the sequel trilogy when it was first announced, but now I'm wishing we still lived in the days where George had his completed six-movie saga and the EU was an optional but fun way for fans who wanted more of the story to keep engaging with the franchise
“Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here. '"
I apply the above to basically every single franchise I like. Warhammer mainly...
I dont know how could you think that LA Being bought by Disney was a good omen, more after they ditched the EU, with the load of ideas, characters and Stories they could take from there, only because they didn´t wanted to pay the authors of those stories.
Fuck the prequels too, that'a when star wars died, you just simply didn't knew, or disney.
@@Daishi18 While that was bad sign nobody could have predicted how much garbage sequels will be. in many aspect they really outdid the epxectations.
“Is it possible to ride a polar bear into battle?”
Well, according to Narnia & The Golden Compass, I’d say pretty much.
Dunno about ride but there was that polar bear that served in the polish army battalion.
@@alexshinra6722
It was a regular bear, not a polar bear. Wojtek.
@@_Dovar_ mah man it aas mecha bear.
A CGI polar bear maybe
Wasnt the ice queen riding a bear chariot instead instead of one bear
"There is no emotion, there is peace." This is where we are.
All that tells me is that you have no idea what those words actually mean.
@@mpnuorva He knows exactly what he’s talking about
Peace is a lie, there is only Passion.
Looks like i wasn't the only one drawing that from the beginning rant 😄
Disney movie makers have no passion lol
This is pretty impressive on the “ how do you destroy something that everyone loves so much “ scale.
“This is what the heat death of a franchise looks like …”
Better writing than Disney Star Wars ever did.
This. I thought it was very poetic.
I grew up with the originals. It's truely a shame that this generation won't get to experience it the same way mine did.
I grew up the the originals and the prequels and yeah.
What's truly shameful is they're not getting their own legacies of movie trilogies to build their pop culture around. There is nothing recently made that can approach legendary status like the old SW movies did. I guess Marvel got the closest, but then it was diluted down with so much crap.
I loved the originals, and I loved the episode 1-3 prequels. The prequels were what I grew up with, plus the originals all put together nicely in a way that made just enough sense and kept me on my seat to enjoy the whole ride. And now.... this shite. It's only good enough for others when they see how bad the franchise has become in recent years. So sad.
@@leargamma4912 Revenge Of The Sith still ROCKS!
Yeah i also grew up with the originals and the prequels and love them both, especially the many video games of the late 90s and 00s that followed them...
None of my little nieces and nephews have any real interest in Star Wars, aside from the homemade KOTOR D&D campaign that i played with them, which they absolutely love. It's a shame, and yeah, what really is there to replace it? Marvel? pff...
Just like you said Drinker, we literally did everything we can to save our favorite stories and memories. We were mocked as they destroyed everything. Now the stories are all hateful memes. Any money or interest towards them is charity at this point.
Charity that Disney won't get from me. I hope they lose more than just the Star Wars IP but millions of former customers who boycott the company and all it produces, as I have.
@txxxcxxxit's really bot..reported
No it’s not charity. Is stupidity. Charity is when you donate for a good cause. Stupidity is when you give money to those that hate you.
I like you that made this 2 weeks before they decided to throw Lizzo into the Mandalorian. Perfect timing, even though we all knew it was dead long before.
I'll never understand how it was even possible to take one of the most impactful things ever created and ruin it so quickly and completely.
by not having a clue what you are working with. You don't care about Star Wars, you never watched original trilogy, but suddenly, out of the blue, you get to work on this franchise and all info you get is short notes about who is who in it. And you have 6 weeks until filming starts to write a plot. And your boss tells you it has to be about a female superhero, because she also doesn't have a clue but people fly in it and fire lightnings, kinda like Marvel, but with "laser swords". And so you are JJ Abrams and that's how Star Wars The Force Awakens happens.
That's actually true story. Down to some Disney hack calling lightsabers "laser swords".
@@wrmusic8736 JJ Abrams had seen star wars I think. Pretty sure he talked about playing with the toys as a kid. But yeah all the rest of that is probably accurate
I said this before- the narrative drive and heart of Star Wars is a masculine journey from boy to man displayed by nostalgic music/visuals. The rest of it is pretty much like Dungeon&Dragons and most fantasy franchises. They are fanfictions to the fans, and creative games not great storytellings.
When the masculinity or the journey is stripped out, the force is not there. Luke becoming a Jedi is more interesting than Luke as a Jedi. There are more successful films and shows of Anakin becoming evil, than there are of Anakin being evil. I don' t care about the Expanded Universe and I haven' t watch the sequel trilogy. I don' t know what the arc of the new characters supposed to be. I watched Rogue One and felt "meh" and I hated the idea of an expanded universe on movies, tv and games, where you have to watch too many to know what going on.
Yes, good examples of that are the governments of the world that used to be great, or at least functional, and are now dumpster fires, some quite literally, all by mostly self-inflicted wounds!
@@Account.for.Comment yes, some movies are story books and novels being illustrated. Plenty great of those in the sci fi literature and now in movies. Some great books like Dune can't/should not be made into movies, but they try. And when CGI became the "star" of the movie, and the plot was an afterthought, and "nobody actors" phoned in their parts, that's when the "wheels came off" the productions, or I guess in the case of Star Wars, the feet got tangled up on the "walkers"!! LOL :D
I'm pretty much with you. George Lucas wrote the original Star Wars scripts based on the Hero's Journey work by Joseph Campbell. This basic human experience resonated with the audience big time. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, he supplied them with treatments for the next set of series... a guidepost if you will... which Disney summarily rejected! Oh well... what a way to truly trash an time-tested 'license to print money'!
He was so shortsighted. If he didnt sell, SW would have made him a billionaire eventually anyway.
@@ionthegravity2 Well he was billionaire even before he sold Lucasfilm. He did not want to create anything SW cause people gave him so much shit for Prequels.
@@ionthegravity2 I think you've forgotten how much hate he got over the Prequels.
@@stevenschnepp576In retrospect, sure, the prequels had some major flaws (cue Jar Jar Binks) but he & many others put their hearts in this story, and younger me was glued to the screen for many lucky hours.
Shame.
@@Landsknecht25 Yes, it's a shame that George Lucas got backlash and hate for the Prequels. But that shouldn't be an excuse to give away the whole franchise to a soulless corporation. I'm sure that there were better options available that he wasn't aware about. Of course the fans are not entirely innocent either. There's multiple groups that are at fault for this outcome.
I saw the first movie six times at the movie house. I'm years past the pain of giving up on it. The Drinker is spot on.
I still fondly remember waiting in line (which stretched around the corner - no multiplexes with a dozen showings per night back then) at the local theater to watch Star Wars. It's weird how some of the animated shows like Clone Wars (both series) and Rebels have turned out to be the best SW content since the original trilogy.
What's sad, is that Disney had tons of ideas available to them when they purchased the franchise. But NO! They toss the Canon away as 'LEGENDS' because they don't want to pay the authors any percentage of whatever they made from their books and stories.
The franchise had a chance to be reinvigorated with the Mandalorian season 1 but once it started becoming successful the studio couldn't help but meddle and snuff out whatever lingering spark of life was left in it.
Such is the nature of those who gravitate to the corporate environment. And it isn't just entertainment. It's any corporate environment. Successful organisations start with entrepreneurs and end with CEOs.
It's baby yoda the tv series
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Baby Yoda has been the making of the series in terms of popularity, and its undoing in terms of quality. I've grown to hate the damn puppet at this point.
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulThey even screwed that up in the last episode. Hardly any baby Yoda. They must have thought we might like that so of course we can't have it.
@@MilwaukeeWoman tell me what happened in the episode
Even Cavemen sitting around a fire 🔥 knew the importance of telling a good story-Disney forgot!
Because they're soulless, they don't want to give you a good story in exchange for your money. They just want to take your money, giving you absolutely nothing in return.
I remember when people in the '90s speculated about Disney's "hidden messages" in their animated movies such as Aladdin or The Lion King. Some said that Disney was satanic. Most people laughed.
Cue 2020's nobody's laughing anymore because it's quite clear that they are the devil in the flesh.
@Higgs Bonbon Grug was gaping the children himself.
But cavemen didn't have spectacular CGI, what else do you need?! We all know the only reason the OT was so popular is the advanced SFX, and Disney could do even better. Those morons will just lap it up, what do a bunch of nerds know anyway?
My father took me and the rest of the family to see the very first Star Wars in 1977. When we walked out of the theater after having watched it, and been totally blown away, he stopped in his tracks, turned around to face is looking up at the marquee and said we’re gonna go back and see it again and we got back in line. At least that’s how I remember it. I was very young. But I’ll never forget it and all that the Star Wars legacy has meant to me. It is terrible to see how far it’s fallen.
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@@devinstreater1763 The bots are everywhere.
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I’m sorry but if you think Star Wars then is better than now visually you’re being disingenuous or that’s just your personal visual preference that holds no weight on the entirety of Star Wars
@@HaleTheFreeVoice practical effects > cgi sludge
Y'know, I think I just realized something. Back in the day, people erroneously thought that genre films and series were for children. Then they became mainstream, and somewhat more mature and challenging, and for a while, reached a complexity and low-concept engagement that took a bit more investment in story and character development. At some point, it seems that studios realized that this meant their merchandise revenue was dwindling, but that, if they just pulled back their strategy to explicitly targeting everything at children, lowering complexity, making it merchandisable again, they could still suck out the grown-ups nostalgia while also making bank with the kids.
And that's where we're at now. Genre fiction is now more "for children" than it ever was, and in the worst possible way. Make no mistake, Star Wars in 1977 was eminently watchable by children, but it had at least some emotional weight and complexity to it that Disney wouldn't allow in modern iterations.
We don't see the gut wrenching impact of emotions of Luke walking up to his farm in flames and seeing the burning corpses of his family strewn out on the ground anymore. No, instead we get bouncy ball robots and cuddly space gunnie pigs and baby yodas as a mere facade to sell us on a product the was settled a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away...
I would argue what they make now is only for fools. It is the low quality fodder for the lowest common denominator. Who could still do better and have far more options anyways.
What I think is ironically funny is that everybody was so sure that when Disney+ was up, it was gonna "conquer" the streaming wars. That Netflix and HBO and other streaming platforms would not be able to hold up to Disney and all that. Yes the other platforms are not doing so hot today, but i feel like they are trying a little at least. I can't even pretend to get excited about a new Disney project.
Netflix found a way to suck even more.
I think HBO will come out on top - their catalogue is spectacular, and their shows (GoT, Last of us) are wildly popular. With the success of House of the Dragon, it’s now obvious how much of a cash cow the GoT spinoffs can be if written and produced adequately
My favorite streaming service is qbittorrent
Nobody thought that 😂
Andor set the bar and all the other Star Wars shows have fallen flat
If they haven't fired her by now, they are not going to, I remember hearing when "Solo" cratered at the box office that Iger called in the Pixar and Marvel people to ask them if anything could be done to right the ship, which lead to nothing and to Kathleen Kennedy staying in charge of Lucasfilm.
It is amazing how 2 episodes from the boba fett series has somehow managed to kill all the hype for mando s3
Right, I loved The book of boba, but I’ll admit deep down I wish they saved grogu and mando meeting up for season 3, I literally cried in the mando s2 finale
Weirdly you’re right, but mainly people haven’t been watching it due to the long wait for season 3. It should’ve been released a year ago yet they gave us 2 half assed shows beforehand that took away any bit of trust and excitement in future projects, even loved ones.
Nah. firing Gina did it for most of us. Before that there was hope that John and Dave would be left alone by Karen Kennedy but then she forced them to lose a vital member of the cast. KKK burned Starwars to the ground
@@divine_masculine69 I love the BoBF but I agree. Also I think Grogu should have stayed with Skywalker.
It's almost like putting all your eggs in one basket is a bad idea.
It hurts when something that used to give you memories becomes a memory. Chapter 1 made me feel like 8 again:(
I liked Andor. It felt like someone was genuinely trying to tell a good story. The thing that killed it for some that gave it a chance was the fact that it was so much slower than the modern dribble companies churn out for a quick buck.
It felt like I was actually becoming invested in the story as I went on. It felt a lot like a book, too, with all the small but important details making their way into an interwoven climax and resolution which would be the end of the season, and not the episode.
It isn't everyone's cup of tea, and it may have been better to have this as a light novel or a book series, but I'm glad that there are still people who actually want to try and tell a story at LucasFilms.
Everyone who has watched Andor…loves it. It doesn’t even feel like a SW based series…which is great and sad at the same time.
Andor was excellent because they hired talented and experienced writers.
That's an interesting point. Tv and films move much more quickly now, and have a lot more action, than they did when the original trilogy came out. Kids watching those movies now often have to get used to the slower pace. I suspect that's part of the problem these shows are having with telling a story - the pacing doesn't really allow for it.
@@mb.2247 Not exactly true. While I loved the series, my best friend and his brother couldn't make it through the first episode because of the pacing, and he's one of the biggest Star Wars fans I know. I only hope there are enough people who do love the show to let us have a second season (and finger's crossed they continue on with the same quality and don't screw it up...).
@@saviordream indeed. The first three episodes are sloooow but it’s so rewarding. After ep 2 my eyes were rolling but by episode 9 my eyes had thug tears
The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.... that is where we are.
Love & hate seem like quite logical opposites. Indifference is the middle ground, where you can't be bothered either way. But it's the worst thing, at least you keep thinking about media that you love or hate for a time, but media you're indifferent about goes straight to the realm of oblivion... no publicity from a marketing pov.
love & hate are opposites, but they are on opposite sides of the same coin, and are still on the same side of a larger coin. wether you hate or love something it envokes an emotional response so you care. the opposite of the love and hate coin is indifference where you dont care at all
@@prince-solomon wrong, indifference is not 'middle ground.' If you don't understand this, then I am actually in awe at how someone can be that emotionally incontinent.
Not giving a single fuck is not in the middle of love and hate; I honestly don't get how you can think this
@@NTTofMistery love and hate are not opposites; who comes up with this crap? They are not 'on the same coin.'
Love and hate are entirely separate emotions that have no connection to each other. Blind passion and hatred are more similar, and it seems you confused blind passion for love.
I've never hated anything in my entire life, and I've also never got angry, not even once. It seems I am incapable of even feeling such emotions, but I have been happy, in love once, and felt other positive emotions. I've never felt sadness though, not even when my favorite grandpa died when I was 13. I just felt total acceptance
My experience proves positive emotions are not opposites of negative emotions, but if you are stuck in a simplistic linguistic framework, that is the conclusion you'd reach, which seems natural since 'positive' and 'negative' are linguistic opposites (and are actual opposites in some cases, such as electric charge).
Now everyone's fighting about love and hate being either opposites or not opposites.
"Sometimes the only choice left to do is to stop caring. Make peace and move forward no matter how it hurts, because there is no reason to stay anymore"
Aye; thank you, @Chuck. I saw Star Wars in theatre a number of times. I thought, "The story of a farm boy going off into space doesn't scratch my itch." I've watched the battles, heard all the rhetoric and honestly, other than maybe The Empire Strikes Back I've had no interest in what followed. Lucas' own remakes added salt to some tasteless soup. But that doesn't give KKK any right to kick this down. If boys like going "Pew" "Pew!" as they wield their 3 inch figurines, boys of the ages of 40+, who am I to say No? But I thank KKK for turning Star Wars into pure trash. It means reduced income for a woke, Blackrock-kissing Disney and all of its groomers.
it doesn't even hurt just leave
I knew it was going to suck when Disney first announced the purchase and they started talking about having their own canon. ‘New canon’ is an oxymoron that takes a certain degree of arrogance to try to establish. They alienated a huge chunk of their fanbase from day one
Hmm, was JJ aware of that? SSDD and goodbye to Star Trek.
The EU wasn't any better than what Disney did. IMO both need to be consigned to the dust bin.
Not even a fan and that annoyed me. Like really, you are just going to take several decades worth of collective work from hundreds of people, an entire world that thousands of people were deeply invested in, collected, memorized and fleshed out into a whole world and just declare "yeah, mine of that stuff happened because we own the copyright now, so cope"? And you think that people are just going to accept that? At very best it made them very unhappy and ready to turn on you at the very first failure to replace it with something better, when they didn't just reject you entirely on the spot. It's a slap in the face of the entire collective community, and i didn't see any way that would work out well for them, unless they made some really miraculously excellent stuff maybe.
Bringing back Grogu was the nail in the coffin for me - it shows Disney doesn't actually want a story to progress and go somewhere - they just want to put something on the tv see what they can milk and move on once the milking is done
Disney just want more money from merchandise.
Right when they showed grogu in season 1 I knew the show was going to milk the character and not do anything interesting. We could’ve had a badass post empire bounty hunter story like the pilot teased but nope. The show turned into a live action cartoon with very mediocre writing
Any 10 minutes of Empire Strikes Back is better than anything D+ can muster up.
Including the end credits.
10 minutes of explosive diarrhea is better..
D+? D- is too high a grade.
Shit, I'll take Anakin's speech about sand over virtually everything Disney has done with Star Wars (in Rogue One that hallway scene at the end with Darth Vader was fucking amazing. You get a point Disney in your favor against thousands of negatives).
@@SolarisKane that scene was nearly not made. Gareth Edward's was kick out of the film temporarily when the reshoots where being filmed. Then he came back and added that scene 3 weeks before release. I know some people at rhe cgi studio im vancouver that put that together, they were working double overtime shifts to get it through.
Back in '83 if you had told me in 40 years Star Wars would have the longevity and quality writing of Doctor Who I would have been ecstatic...😢
…damn.
Or Star Trek.
That just burned a hole in the internet 🔥
Doctor Who in 83 wasn't at it's best. Albeit it was getting somewhat better during The Seventh Doctor/Sylvester McCoysl's era than The Sixth/Colin Baker's writing
That picture of them wearing the “The Force is Female” shirts legitimately makes me want to vomit
Like a lot of people I grew up with this franchise, it was the one franchise more near and dear to me than even marvel and now, much like with marvel for me, I can't even bring myself to watch the train wreck Disney has made this once fantastic universe into
Is it wrong that I read this as "the one franchise more near *death* than Marvel"
@@bigfudge2031 nah that's facts
I grew up renting the original trilogy from the local library on vhs reading every Star Wars book I could find in the early 90s. I loved it.
To see it like this is very sad.
When KK wanted to nuke the entire extended universe it was foreshadowing Disney should have paid attention to.
@@Orphican Yeah but even before the Disney purchase the EU was only quasi-canon, Lucas reserved the right to override it whenever he wanted.
Hahaha same here here man. That was some time ago. Use to have to rewind the tape before returning. Otherwise, they will charge you a buck.
@@zippymufo9765 Everything is quasi-canon by that definition. Canon is what those who are recognized as authorities in the matter deem canon. There is no canon that cannot be changed, just look at the "holy books" that millions of people died over during the millennia.
There is a significant difference between "I will keep what is good and if something interferes with my plans too much I will change it to fit" and "I will nuke it all because I want people to see me making my impact in the IP to fuel my overinflated ego". It's the same shit shitty managers do when hired.
One day, when Disney fucked it over enough, they will either sell the entire franchise or just let it rest, maybe with the occasional half-assed or more experimental film, thinking DC/Marvel early 2000s like. Then, the good stuff will re-emerge - KotOR will remain, Luceno and Zahn novels will remain, and, hey, we got Andor, which is a phenomenal show. And it will be remembered in a time when the whole other Disney shows are already forgotten. Star Wars isn't dead, it's just severely depressed. But it can and will get out of there. I'm certain of it.
I have to say, this kind of entertainment is exactly what I need while I'm fully focused on folding my laundry. i never have to skip back because theres nothing to miss.
That's what most of us do while watching Star Wars content on Disney+, and for the same exact reason!
As if modern TV writers realize people are too busy on their phones huh so why not write to that
I would rather have a podcast playing than this nonsense .
To put this into perspective.
I am playing KOTOR 2 again to actually enjoy a well written Star Wars story.
KOTOR is a masterpiece of dialogue, especially in regards to Kreia challenging our notions of the world.
I recently reread the Jedi search trilogy from the 1980s IIRC. I still wonder why something like these stories weren't made into movies into the (IMO) horrible prequels and sequels since Disney took over.
Then why are you playing KotOR 2? KotOR is the one with the well written Star Wars story.
KotOR 2 is full of so much stupidity and terrible railroading.
@@LOL_GarrusKreia is an idiot and the writers never let you point out her obvious stupidity. She is one of the tropey Obsidian characters I cannot stand. New Vegas had them too and I couldn't stand New Vegas for that either.
I'm not a gamer but I've just pulled Heir to the Empire off my bookshelf for the exact same reason: I want to enjoy Star Wars with all its amazing characters and storylines, the way it used to be.