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Hey I was wondering if you could do the case of Gabriel Fernandes a little boy from America who was killed by him mum and step dad? Also you are amazing 📎🖤📎
Shoutout to the mom, who didn’t try to cover for her son. Sounds logical to not do so, but it’s quite common for cases like this for the parents to cover their child.
I literally can’t fathom how a fourteen year old could do something like this and keep the body hidden whilst still functioning.. going to school. That is some scary shit, especially the part about the missing poster.
As having been a 14 year old boy not too long ago...you’d be surprised, we think we are adults at that age. He was probably thinking that he had to do what he had to do and there was no going back
Annnnd on top of that sleeping on top of course for a week knowing that it's there and acting like nothing's different.. everytime going in and out of your room knowing a corpse is under your bed is absolutely sickening, crazy, frightening all the above. Like I would've told on myself !! That would've drove me crazy everyday
I know, it really doesn’t make sense to me. The smell, the feeling/ lack of feeling of guilt. The missing poster being put up, it’s all so creepy and god knows what he would have grown up to be if he was free in this world.
@@daisyyoung9556 im not excusing it but maybe explaining. It is probably really hard to accept someone you raised for a lot of your life killed someone. This happens a lot with parents so there must be a reason
Imagine how bad Justin (the boy who walked her home to get golf balls) must have felt and still feel, he probably never stopped having a guilty conscience about that.
@@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive I know people don't mean anything by it but the never ending "omg I'm so early" and blathering about how perfect Eleanor's makeup is gets really old. These are tragedies.
@@shellyjane8305 😑well great there goes that respect lol, I’m sorry but if my child killed a young child I would tell them if you do the crime you do the time.
She was in Dance with my daughter. This case was awful we all looked for her. We lined the streets holding balloons letting them go as they passed by the day of her funeral. This affected my daughter to this day.
has anyone ever noticed that when eleanor is doing her disclaimer she says "if its not something you can listen to right now" and idk if im digging to far into it but its basically her saying that even if right now you cant handle hearing something triggering eventually itll get better and honestly thats so sweet edit:yall thats a lot of likes
I agree 1000%! If someone is going through a hard experience like loss or grieving or post traumatic stress, some people handle those things by seeking out information and listening to videos like these. Other people avoid these kinds of things because they are toxic to their mind at that point. And you aren’t locked into either coping “category”, you can always decide when to watch content like this, when you’re ready! (And it’s absolutely understandable and valid if you’re never able to watch videos like these! Everyone copes differently) To everyone going through a horrible thing right now, I am with you and you are so much stronger than this thing could ever make you feel. Sending my love to you stranger 🖤⭐️
and having to report her son. i can only imagine how conflicted and horrible she felt and i’m so glad that she did the right thing and didn’t do what some ppl would and protect her evil son
This is just a side comment but i want to know, as a Floridian, is Polk County Sheriff Judd as involved in Florida murder investigations as he makes it seem?
Um obviously the mother of a murdered child... she will never see her child again, her child will never grow up, never smile at her she will never hear her child call her mummy again. All the murderers mum has to grieve is that her child is a disgrace and will grow up in prison, he will still be alive and she will still be a mom
@@tallulahwring1678 Both if I have to be honest, they both lost their kids in different ways, and one has to live with the fact her kid is a murder. Some people do tend to blame and shun the murder's parent in some parts of the world. Both parents have it bad in my opinion.
@@dollfairytopia Then we have to agree to disagree, In my opinion both moms are suffering; it's okay to have a different point of view. Of course the one with the murdered child is suffering the most not taking that a way but I also see the other side of the murder's parents too.
Imagine sleeping a few inches over a decomposing dead body for a week of a child you've murdered. I can't imagine the amount of insensitivity and insanity required to do something like this. Edit: thanks, never got this many likes before lol
@@jocelynsandoval9385 and also being involved in the search team...only to go back home when it’s dispersed and lay right on top of her corpse it’s sick
Maddie Clifton was one of my best friends when I was in the third and fourth grade. It was so hard to comprehend what happened back then. She was so funny and sweet and kind. I still go visit her at the cemetery all these years later. Rest easy Mads💜
I can't believe nobody has noticed this comment. I am so sorry for your loss, I can't imagine being exposed to that amount of horrific evil and loss as a child. I hope you are feeling better now. RIP maddie 💖💖💖💖
Seems premeditated in away how sick he slept on top of her how twisted would u have to b did he go to bed every night reliving his crime with her in his bed like that my stomach is turning !!!!!! Imagine if he wouldn't of got caught probably would of grown up to b a for sure SERIAL KILLER !!!!!!!
When I am teaching my kids about “stranger danger” , this is a tragic story I tell them about. You have to be careful, even if people aren’t “strangers”. Our world is a sad place sometimes. God bless Maddie and her loved ones.
Be careful with that though, abductions and abuse usually come from inside the family, not from strangers. That campaign made more harm than good preventing child abductions. Teach them the signs of grooming and all these things too, so stranger or not, they can identify them and be safe x Hope you and your kids stay safe, take care and love each other, we’re all we have ❤️
@@MichoacanaRobertson trust me I have covered all aspects of this with my children. Aunts, Uncles, Grandparents, cousins, family friends, Teachers, and coaches...... the list goes on and on(sadly). I have made it very clear what to watch for!! I do not sugar coat this subject.
@@marnienaylor8550 it’s sadly a really long list! You can never be “too careful” with kids, have to protect them at all costs!! You sound like a great mum though, so I’m sure they’ll be okay and grow up to be functioning adults that can defend themselves in this crazy word we live in.
A group of 14-16 yr olds lads were beating a 14year old with a baseball bat round where I live the other day, he escaped when neighbours came out to intervene so I can totally believe that a 14year old would do this.
There’s something so much scarier knowing that “innocent” children can be so evil ever heard of Mary bell? She was horrible too and I think she was like 10 as well the boys who hurt James bulger I believe is his name that was a toddler 😢😢😢
yeah but it was a different time so it might’ve been normal ??? i don’t knwo. but the parents weren’t bothered by it so i’m guessing that’s why? i don’t know
this was a very strange and disturbing case. i watch true crime a lot and sometimes i feel like i’m desensitized. definitely not. this freaked me out. outstanding job covering the case. rest easy maddie.
Yes I was thinking the same thing! This case has really quite disturbed me and made me feel uneasy. Such a horrible thing to happen to such a nice little girl :(
I had the same feeling. I’ve seen lots of graphic gore, watched tonnes of true crime but this case by far has creeped me out the most. The boy (whom looked like a regular normal 14 year old in the picture) happily slept right on top of a dead, rotting little girl for like a week. Like what the actual-
I hate polygraph tests because I feel like you could easily get a false reading just because you are nervous for the simple fact that it is a polygraph test
I'm currently going to college to get my Psychology degree. Even psychologists believe that the Polygraph test is a horrible tool to use because people's brains are just wired differently. Someone with horrible anxiety can fail a test, and someone with a disorder like antisocial personality disorder can possibly pass it easily.
the man is getting re-sentenced in 2 years, the police that dealt with it back then say they regret giving him such a long sentence. i can’t stand police, that poor little girl was murdered and they regret punishing him for it, absolute disgusting 🤢:(
@@222222ania Men are falsely accused frequently and this is why, decades later a murder happens and a dismissed SA claim comes back to harm a man who had the charges dropped against him. Women who falsely accuse men of SA should be punished severely because that accusation lasts for life and can damage for life too.
@@RosieWilliamOlivia men are not falsely accused very often. In fact men have more of a chance of being raped then they do being accused of rape 🤦♀️ rates for false allegations of sexual violence are no higher than those reported in other categories of crime. Most of the less than 2% that make up false claims are because police cannot attain sufficient corroborating evidence and mark it down as no crime.
I love that she tells you when she’s goina be speaking about children and sexual assault before she gets into it I personally don’t have problems but I know it does make some people really uncomfortable so I’m happy she thinks about that before getting into it
ikr i was sexually assulted when i was 4-17 (thankfully i tried tms and ketamine treatments which helped my anxiety and depression a lot especially with outbursts) and i had to skip it lol so i really appreciate it too!
@@kenzieleigh4628 I'm so glad you were able to get help and figure out what works!! I'm in therapy rn and trying to figure out what works for me. I wish you nothing but peace and contentment on the rest of your journey
I live in Jacksonville. It’s horrible here. The crime rate is insane, the crash rates are even worse. I’ve seen people randomly pull out guns in traffic and in public. I can’t fathom why anyone would ever want to intentionally live here
Its shitty , yes. Depends on what side of town u live on. There are good and bad things about everywhere. Tbh. Unless you have a goood money flow , then you can choose somewhere better , if not then you love in middle class places like jville and other places like it. Its all about how you make it ! Lol
I love the fact that you actually take time to talk about the victims and their personal life, usually they get brushed over and forgotten, which is really sad, but you talk about them and that's just really nice that you do that
i’m really glad that the boys mother didn’t try and cover up for her son because a lot of mother’s will do that! much respect for her and I can’t even imagine how terrified she must’ve been when she found the body may that innocent little girl rest in peace. 💔
I was a boy. They were two girls. Can I make it any more obvious? I am the ULTlMATE L0VER on this platform. Don't enter my ch*nnel if you are not above a certain age, dear nico
@@reneebradley7831 lol yeah, if you said that in the US you’d get some weird looks from people being confused and/or concerned haha. (Because in this case the woman was inside and I was worried she’d burn her house down, lol)
Yeah because In English that is what a torch is. American English (simplified English) had to obviously rename it so people over there could understand it .....
@@Imagummybearpop I’ve never looked into the history of flashlights before, but from very brief research I found that us Americans called them flashlights because they originally only worked for brief “flashes”. Hence the name. There’s all kinds of things that are called by different names in the US than they are in England and Australia. Like don’t Australians call flip flops thongs? In the US that’s skimpy underwear. And then there’s cookie/biscuit and French fries/chips. I don’t think it’s necessarily simpler to decide to call something by a different name. In the US, if you say torch it implies fire. What do you guys call torches, then, since that’s your word for flashlight? I’m genuinely curious.
Larry sounds like a legit dude tbh. He's just out here keeping an eye on the neighborhood kids so their parents can get their chores/work done. I bet he missed out on doing stuff with his own children b/c he had to work and he knows what it's like. You know, nobody would have questioned an older lady hanging out with the neighborhood kids in the afternoons while their parents are busy.
My neighbor, a retired widower asks my mom and me over when he hangs out on his porch. Almost every house on our block has kids. He had adult kids and grandchildren but they don't live close. He says he likes to hear the hustle and bustle of the kids while he reads or listens to a game or putters in the yard but is worried what people might think if it's just him alone. It makes him feel involved and less lonely to help watch the kids. This year people are more comfortable but the first year? It's sad but kind of necessary to be like this. I see both sides. And yeah, no one bats an eye about me. 🤷
Reminds me of my dad. He’s so nice and loves being around kids. He’s got really strong parental instincts. The neighbours frequently send their kids over for him to watch if they’re busy. He also has some dirty allegations against him from my abusive mother from the divorce that, of course, didn’t go anywhere. I feel for Larry because he clearly had that smear on him that didn’t go away decades later.
Honestly yeah it’s such a shame there’s double standards like that but Larry was a great guy and he probably felt terrible that this happened and it was exactly what he was trying to avoid.
I mean when you have allegations place on you considering sexual assault, it's really not a mystery for why someone looks at you weirdly. I wouldn't want my child around someone like that, so I can understand why police was gazed upon him!
Omg omg. Maddie was my BLOOD cousin. My grandmas name is Toni Clifton , so her dad was my great uncle , So technically she was, we called her my cousin. But , yeah just wanted to share that. I wish that she could have continued to grow up her family. Beautifullll life taken tooo fast . I wish I could share our photos together when we were young. But I was about 3 when she was about 5-6 I've been following her case for so long and it's really cool that you are doing this case ! SENDING LOVE FROM JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA !!! 💌💌💌 Thanks for the awesome videos !!! 🍓
this case really blows my mind because i first heard about it on Killer kids, and the documentary really presents Josh as the victim, made me feel a little bad for him because of the abuse he faced. But they left out SO many facts.
Investigators who worked on the case said Josh had no remorse at all - and he clearly got some sexual gratification from killing. If he's let out, he'll almost certainly kill again.
@@carlyg.1282 They just said that he accidentally hit her and that he heard his dad come home so he kept hitting her so he wouldn't get in trouble. If I remember correctly. They phrased it as if his dad never came home Josh would have gotten help and Maddie would be alive. The documentary focused a lot on his abuse. His mom even talked about it and said if her husband didn't come home she thinks Maddie would be alive.
I feel so terrible for both families in this situation...I can't imagine how Maddie felt and how devastated her family is, and not mention how horrified Josh's family probably is too. My brother is 13 and the thought of him or his friends doing this is so upsetting.
@@sherieka1100 @Sherieka Pollock I lived in an area of Florida where a naked cannibal ate a man's face off in broad daylight on a well traveled road. Every day I had to drive over the bridge that they force all the sexual offenders to live under. Florida is insane. I was so terrified of breaking down on that bridge at night, imaging being swarmed by violent sex offenders.
@@lagncx3700 Thanks, but I haven't lived in Florida for a long time. I would read the news there long after I left, because the crime section was crazier than the plots on prime-time crime dramas. There is a reason the "Florida Man" stereotype exists.
Supposedly he killed her due to the fact that they were playing baseball (maddie and josh) when he hit her in the eye accidentally and she started bleeding, crying and screaming. he was afraid of getting in trouble with his abusive father so he hit her with the baseball bat again.
@@rockhistoria2537 when did i say it was an excuse? the person i commented to said they couldn’t imagine what was going on in their brain, so i said probably what he was thinking. i in no way think his actions are justified
@@gwiyomijessi848 that was revealed to be BS, but it is reported on more since they think it's so much cooler. His motive has been mostly reported as being that he tried to assault Maddie, she fought back, and he killed her. This was mostly based in the fact he was watching violent porn before and after her murder.
Honestly as an older sister, I've felt the dread and anxiety you get when you're shouting your little sister's name trying to find them. All the thoughts that must've been going through her head. Luckily, my sister's still with me. (Nothing happened she just walked off) Bless this little girl, I hope her and her family are well ❣
The worry I felt when my brother went out to do stuff when he was a kid is unreal...Once when we were walking out (For the life of me, I can't remember why it was just the 2 of us), a guy ( early to mid 20's at the time, I guess) I remember my mom talking to in passing came up and gave my brother a hug so tight he literally lifted him off the ground, (mind you, my brother was around 7 at the time, and I was around 11, 12) and it freaked me out so much thinking that this guy was going to run off with my brother and hurt him. That older sibling instincts went off the charts and I immediately started thinking of ways to get help and still track my brother when that guy let him go, said bye and walked off. I still don't know why a guy would just hug a kid he's seen only once the way he did. People always talk about a parents instinct to protect their kids but almost always overlook an older siblings instinct to protect the younger ones, even if it means getting hurt themselves.
Could you imagine being the mother of a boy & finding the little girl that's been missing under his bed where he's been hiding her?! Omg I can't even imagine the pain, fear, confusion and guilt...
God, I cannot even imagine being a parent in a situation like this. I get panicked if my little sister doesn't text me back right away when she goes out. I would be hysterical and inconsolable. My heart goes out to any parent or family member of a missing loved one. Sounds like a nightmare come to life.
what a monster. can you imagine being his parents?? that much evil in a kid that young, he would have Def grown up to be a serial killer if he wasn't caught now.
@@saira9632 you are, however certain types of trauma DO impact developmental growth and can cause people to commit violent crimes in adulthood or adolescence.
@@saira9632 I never said he wasn’t responsible. Our childhoods shape who we are, tons of people have had worse childhoods than Josh and turned out fine. It doesn’t justify what he did, it just shows why he became who he is.
Same. Lie detector tests aren't reliable since it tests emotional responses. A psychopath could easily pass it by lying and an anxious person could easily fail it by being honest :/
with the blood on the ceiling fan it makes sense that his parents didn’t see it even if it was a lot because it’s not often that you look at a ceiling fan
Oh somebody finally covered this story! I recommended it to another UA-camr a while ago, but it was still jarring seeing Maddie’s face right now as I scrolled through UA-cam. I went to school with Maddie. She was in 2nd grade (or maybe 3rd) while I was in 1st. Although she was a grade above me, my neighbor/close friend was in her class and a classmate/close friend of mine was her neighbor/close friend (I hope that made sense). It was incredibly traumatizing for everyone at our elementary school when this happened. Looking back, it’s so odd remembering the conversations 1st and 2nd graders were having about murder, not to mention murder of a close friend and fellow child. Adults obviously tried to speak with us about it a certain way, but I distinctly remember the conversations we as children had alone trying to make sense of it. I remember us referring to her neighbor/murderer (who my classmate also knew) as her “playmate.” We’d say “her playmate did it.” There were facts of the case we got wrong that I didn’t even realize we’d gotten wrong until adulthood because they had just become facts in my head from these childhood discussions. But I distinctly remember the innocence in how we spoke of it; “her playmate hit her in the head with a ball by accident and got scared.” He had also gone to our school, making everything very close to home and deeply confusing. I also remember my classmate/friend, who I mentioned was Maddie’s close friend and neighbor, tearing up as she talked about just trying to go home but news reporters stopping her and harassing her with questions. She said she was crying really hard while answering their questions and just wanted to go home but they wouldn’t leave her alone, and she couldn’t understand why adults were doing that to her when they obviously could tell she was so sad. That was very hard to comprehend as a 1st grader. I appreciate this is getting attention because Maddie, an all around nice, bright, and kind girl, deserves the mourning. Our whole city was shook by this, it was on every TV. In fact, my parents would frequently pull us out of restaurants if they had it playing on the news and we’d go to a different one. I appreciate my parents trying to protect us from it but it was impossible. I’ve heard that the murderer has asked for forgiveness and wants to be released from jail. From someone with a connection to the victim and the story, I firmly believe he does not deserve it. No forgiveness. Not only did he take Maddie away, but he traumatized hundreds of children in the process. Parents too. He made the world feel unsafe for us and that’s not something I’m willing to forgive. Of course, the biggest victim in this is Maddie, followed by her family, but Maddie’s friends and classmates were also victims too. If your child goes through a trauma like this, I recommend you talking to them about it often and in-depth. I respect my parents and my friends parents’ desire to try and “protect” us from this by avoiding talking about it and turning the TV off when it came on the news, but the reality is any spare moment alone, your kid will be talking about this with their friends and if you don’t guide the conversation for them, their confusion will be even more traumatizing for them. Just a short PSA from someone who experienced this. RIP to Maddie, a girl who continues to be greatly missed. EDIT: I hadn’t watched the video yet when I wrote this and I’m very concerned by the mention of this being on Tik Tok. Can anyone explain it to me? I really hope they’re not insulting Maddie’s memory or making light of this.
The reason why you found out so much is you were allowed to go to school. I was homeschooled by my legal guardian on duke road three streets away which basically meant when you were at school I had to figure out my school work on my own or face a "teacher" who would scream at me for being stupid. I vaguely remember anything about it at the time besides I was only allowed to go in the front yard and the backyard even when I wanted to ride my bike. My only freind was a longhaired tuxedo cat named Sebastian who was subsequently shreaded by one of the neighbors adopt a greyhound s after one of Kathy Dennis's piano students let him out. She had Sebastian declawed so he couldn't even defend himself. We got a call the next day she and I went to get him and when she saw him she was going to leave my best friend mangled in the gutter. I at 9 had to be the grown-up and pick up my freind and put in in a garbage bag and bring him home. But I had no freedom and no one would tell me anything besides because I say so until I was 13.
@@tinnycan5303 age gaps are relevant when kids are minors. a 20 year old and a 23 year old is fine, but a 14 year old shouldnt like an 11 year old. two different mental ages.
Can I just point out the fact that josh had a crush on maddie’s sister? He was 14 and she was 11, three years isn’t bad normally but when you’re that young that is so weird
i think when all partied involved are kids you cant really judge or blame. everyones a child, nobodies mature. a 14 year old is more mature but kids be wild and dont generally understand the complexities we do, its not like a 14 year old is oh so mature in comparison ygm. but i do get your point
I mean i find it weird too, but to me anyone one year younger than me feels too young for me to like lmao Mostly because i feel like i drastically change every year, so i assume other teens feel the same. Well it makes sense im still a senior in highschool i guess
It can depend, like if he was barely 14 and she was nearly 12, that would basically be a 12 year old and a 13 year old, wich is pretty normal. but like not defending this guy.
My neighbor once took my daughter out of my yard without my knowledge and I was inside for just a minute getting her a drink while she played in our gated yard. She was 5 and this was a woman neighbor but she had an alcoholic boyfriend who lived with her so my daughter wasn’t allowed over there. Her granddaughter I guess was visiting and that was her excuse but as soon as I realized Sof wasn’t in my yard my ran and jumped the fence and start looking both ways of my street hoping to see anything. I scream her name and run toward the main road thinking if someone took her they’d head for the main road and I’m also on my cell calling my husband like hey did u come take sof and I just didn’t hear you and when he said no my heart sank! A woman across my street said she saw a woman with a little girl walk in that house and she pointed to my neighbor and I ran up and tried to open their door, locked so I bang as hard as I can and they acted like I was just some crazy bitch upset for nothing 🤯 never again! I was lucky enough for my daughter to come back safe and sound. But living thru that panic was the scariest time of my life.
@@thequirkymomma1113 come to find out the owner of the home was trying to evict her for 2 years and she would have fake identity’s lol. She had apartments in another name with her real bday or getting government money she wasn’t suppose too. It taught me looks really are deceiving. She was a seemingly nice woman who took care of her grand daughter but just to barely scratch beneath the surface you discover the boyfriend which yea was bad but all that new info was so insane to me.
@@thequirkymomma1113 sorry also want to throw in her and her daughter came up with the scheme for her granddaughter to be forfeited to her and then the daughter got pregnant with a new baby so she could also get food stamps and housing. This is all from the owner of the house but I can believe it lol.
@@rainbowshinelove1208 no but I had my phone n called my husband to see if she was with him and it was during that phone call I figured out where she was but I planned to once I hung up if she wasn’t with him. I already had tear drenching my face. So scary.
@@moonmaster8588 Yeah but why not like, an arm or a foot or something? Or eyeballs? You could hang those with some strong thread and toothpicks and some patience
Polygraphs rely on your body’s reactions. If he was upset that Maddie was missing, as I’m sure he was, that’s what the test picked up on. “Do you know what happened to Maddie?” I’m sure that question would upset anyone. Possibly blamed himself for her going missing because he was the adult watching her.
@@DrCandyStriper actually things have changed. The technology hasn’t but the parameters of reactions that are considered truths or lies has changed dramatically over the years. I’ve encountered cases from decades ago where LEOs state that a related polygraph dismissed someone from suspicion where nowadays they would be considered a viable suspect.
@@Chiffawndueaccording to Josh’s mother in a documentary for the 10 year mark of the murder, he didn’t sleep in his bed. I’ll post a link if I can find it.
The two- and three- part cases show your audience how important it is to you to get out as much information as you can. Keep up the good work, Eleanor!
I've been born and raised in Jacksonville, fl. I'm 33, lived here my whole life - and I will never forget this case and the effect it had on my city and my community.
@@rickmanalwayss i didn't see those comments, i just saw people saying they werent expecting that comment section, people referencing her crime, and then i finally found people who were like "heres whay she did"
I was a few months younger than her and lived in the same town. I remember all the adults talking about her being missing and what happened to her. Her murder broke everyone's heart. I even have a cousin named after her in her memory.
This case is just so crazy, I can’t imagine what Maddie’s parents had to go through finding out what had happened to their daughter and the same for Josh’s parents too, imagine finding that under your sons bed!
Her childhood sounds so much like my childhood. My sister was my best friend, there was lots of kids in my street and we would knock on the doors of our friends to ask them out to play. My mum would send me out on my bike to find my sister at tea time. It's so scary how similar it was.
Please cover the 14 year girl on tiktok that just murdered her disabled sister and has posted a tiktok like hours before! The story is still evolving but I’d love to hear more
The cliffhanger.... also I feel so bad for Maddie's family and the mother imagine how traumatizing it would be to see that your 14-year-old son had been hiding a corpse under his bed under your roof for so long and haven't even noticed.
Could you cover the ana kriejal case? It was a murder case that happened in Ireland in 2018 and id love to see you cover it as the media coverage at the time was awful
I love that Eleanor gives us information about the victims. It shows that they were so much more than just victims. They were kind, loving people who deserved so much better ❤
I heard about this case and found it insane how he didn't even take care of his pets let them sit in their own poo and have a body under his bed for about a week fricken gross
I just don’t understand what he thought he was going to do???? I feel so horrible for these families, even his mother that found her body. I would no longer have a son. She did the right thing telling the police immediately
Shannon's right. A sociopath he may be, but he's also a 14 year-old boy with little life experience. He must have worked out a plan of disposing her body on the night of the murder, but he didn't factor in the speed at which the search would start and intensify, leaving him with no choice but to wait it out the way he did
you should talk abt that girl claire miller who recently stabbed her older sister, then was all over peoples tiktok for you pages! but maybe later when the case has more info on it
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@@Vlzify nah you're capping prove it and I'll sub
Hey I was wondering if you could do the case of Gabriel Fernandes a little boy from America who was killed by him mum and step dad? Also you are amazing 📎🖤📎
Shoutout to the mom, who didn’t try to cover for her son. Sounds logical to not do so, but it’s quite common for cases like this for the parents to cover their child.
yeah or to pretend they didn’t notice, too many cases like that..
i think a lot of parents of murderers dont want to believe that their child is capeable of doing such things, so they try to defend them
she is still trying to cover for her son
yes that was good of her but I've seen in places that she believes he should be allowed out and I think that's utterly disgusting
Chris watts mum is a great example 🤦🏻♀️
I literally can’t fathom how a fourteen year old could do something like this and keep the body hidden whilst still functioning.. going to school. That is some scary shit, especially the part about the missing poster.
As having been a 14 year old boy not too long ago...you’d be surprised, we think we are adults at that age. He was probably thinking that he had to do what he had to do and there was no going back
Annnnd on top of that sleeping on top of course for a week knowing that it's there and acting like nothing's different.. everytime going in and out of your room knowing a corpse is under your bed is absolutely sickening, crazy, frightening all the above. Like I would've told on myself !! That would've drove me crazy everyday
Its amazing and frightening how a human being can keep a dark, horrific secret like that and still live day to day like it's nothing.
I know, it really doesn’t make sense to me. The smell, the feeling/ lack of feeling of guilt. The missing poster being put up, it’s all so creepy and god knows what he would have grown up to be if he was free in this world.
A narcissistic monster can at any age.
The poor mother, she was just cleaning her son's room. Imagine trying to put away a piece of clothing only to see that you were touching a corpse.
not really though apparently she still maintains her son's innocence or believes he should be allowed out
@@daisyyoung9556 im not excusing it but maybe explaining. It is probably really hard to accept someone you raised for a lot of your life killed someone. This happens a lot with parents so there must be a reason
@@daisyyoung9556 yeah his mum does which is stupid🙄🖐
@@caketin4216 yes i understand that my comment did seem a little rude but this case just angers me so much
@@daisyyoung9556 yeah it annoys me as well no worrys. I don’t understand how a 14yo could just kill like that.
The fact that Josh was continuing to sleep in that bed while Maddie's body was literally inside it is chilling
Literally
@@erikam6164 r/wooosh
right😳
@@gravestonegaming10 ?
@@gravestonegaming10 or just search up the definiton-
this wasn't even a joke lmao idk why you wooshed them
I love how active she is now
Yes ikr
We love to see it👌
Yess
Yessss I love her videos
Yesssss
Imagine how bad Justin (the boy who walked her home to get golf balls) must have felt and still feel, he probably never stopped having a guilty conscience about that.
Thank you for posting the first comment that's actually about the tragedy.
@@michelleprieur1 exactly! I honestly don't understand how people just talk about the most random shit instead of the actual case :/ shameful.
@@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive I know people don't mean anything by it but the never ending "omg I'm so early" and blathering about how perfect Eleanor's makeup is gets really old. These are tragedies.
Waiting for part 2
@@michelleprieur1 ugh shut up
I couldn't imagine the horror his mom felt when she found that body.
I know! But she still went and told the police, I respect her so much because some crazy moms would try to help their sons😐
I know!!! I was absolutely shocked. I didn't think they'd find an actual body under his bed!!!
@@ericac9975 in a tiktok video i saw about this case, the boys parents actually have been trying to get him out of jail for years and years
@@ericac9975 right, she did the stand up thing instead of trying to cover it up
@@shellyjane8305 😑well great there goes that respect lol, I’m sorry but if my child killed a young child I would tell them if you do the crime you do the time.
She was in Dance with my daughter. This case was awful we all looked for her. We lined the streets holding balloons letting them go as they passed by the day of her funeral. This affected my daughter to this day.
That's so sad... I hope Maddie's family are better now and have healed from their traumatic loss.
:(
:(
Events like this effect so many people :(
best wishes for you and your daughter x
eleanor is posting a ton lately and i’m LIVING for it
SAME
same
SAMEEEEE
Yesss
sameeeee
has anyone ever noticed that when eleanor is doing her disclaimer she says "if its not something you can listen to right now" and idk if im digging to far into it but its basically her saying that even if right now you cant handle hearing something triggering eventually itll get better and honestly thats so sweet edit:yall thats a lot of likes
I agree 1000%! If someone is going through a hard experience like loss or grieving or post traumatic stress, some people handle those things by seeking out information and listening to videos like these. Other people avoid these kinds of things because they are toxic to their mind at that point. And you aren’t locked into either coping “category”, you can always decide when to watch content like this, when you’re ready! (And it’s absolutely understandable and valid if you’re never able to watch videos like these! Everyone copes differently)
To everyone going through a horrible thing right now, I am with you
and you are so much stronger than this thing could ever make you feel. Sending my love to you stranger 🖤⭐️
YES EXACTLY
Omg you’re right. 👩🏻🦰💜
Exactly-- sometimes I have to come back to the video later.
I'm glad she puts trigger warnings, it makes me more comfortable
Imagine being the poor mother who found the body.... Poor woman....
and having to report her son. i can only imagine how conflicted and horrible she felt and i’m so glad that she did the right thing and didn’t do what some ppl would and protect her evil son
@@lottiephilpotts yeah...
thinking that her OWN 14 YR OLD SON is a murder
@@tylarrr that's actually so tough, i hope the mother is okay after all this. I would feel horrible if i raised a murderer holy shit.
@@whalefood1199 yea
“we’re going to jacksonville, florida”
me: *sitting in my room in jacksonville, florida* huh 😀
ME TOO PLZ
* lives 3 hours from Jacksonville * uHm
This is just a side comment but i want to know, as a Floridian, is Polk County Sheriff Judd as involved in Florida murder investigations as he makes it seem?
Same! I also participated in the search. It is such a sad case for all involved.
Me when any case comes up about Cleveland Ohio👁👄👁, and oh lord are there a bunch😂.
“We’re going to Jacksonville, Florida”
“Please no”
Me who lives there I’m moving 🤠🥰
Me who watches super size vs super skinny, Jacksonville you say👁👅👁
I live in Florida
I live here, I knew immediately by the picture and the title. I can't stop the goosebumps cos I remember this. I remember everybody looking for her.
oh
I don’t know what’s worse; being the mother of the murdered child, or mother of the child that murdered her.
Um obviously the mother of a murdered child... she will never see her child again, her child will never grow up, never smile at her she will never hear her child call her mummy again. All the murderers mum has to grieve is that her child is a disgrace and will grow up in prison, he will still be alive and she will still be a mom
@@tallulahwring1678 Both if I have to be honest, they both lost their kids in different ways, and one has to live with the fact her kid is a murder. Some people do tend to blame and shun the murder's parent in some parts of the world. Both parents have it bad in my opinion.
@@RikaRieGaming okay but obviously Maddie’s mother has gone through worse. the boys son is still alive.
@@dollfairytopia Then we have to agree to disagree, In my opinion both moms are suffering; it's okay to have a different point of view. Of course the one with the murdered child is suffering the most not taking that a way but I also see the other side of the murder's parents too.
I think they're both suffering in different ways tbh.
The mother of the killer will forever be known as just that - A mum who's son murdered a child.
Imagine sleeping a few inches over a decomposing dead body for a week of a child you've murdered. I can't imagine the amount of insensitivity and insanity required to do something like this.
Edit: thanks, never got this many likes before lol
Right!? It's truly a mindfuck.
Not only that but also having a missing persons flier of them in the same room.
its sick
@@jocelynsandoval9385 and also being involved in the search team...only to go back home when it’s dispersed and lay right on top of her corpse it’s sick
I would never murder someone and if I did I wouldn't be sleeping on top of their body
Maddie Clifton was one of my best friends when I was in the third and fourth grade. It was so hard to comprehend what happened back then. She was so funny and sweet and kind. I still go visit her at the cemetery all these years later. Rest easy Mads💜
I can't believe nobody has noticed this comment. I am so sorry for your loss, I can't imagine being exposed to that amount of horrific evil and loss as a child. I hope you are feeling better now. RIP maddie 💖💖💖💖
I am so sorry. I can’t imagine how you feel knowing something like this happened to a friend. I hope your okay, and doing well ❤️❤️
I’m so so sorry for your loss 💕
That’s so kind 🤧
I’m sorry for ur loss :( but Maddie probably misses you too 💜
I can’t imagine how horrified Melissa must have been seeing a body of an 8 year old girl under her 14 year old sons bed 😨
exactly..
Probably happy for the free dinner
@@ItsMe0274 I get that you’re trying to be edgy but this was a real person
She probably was terrified.
Seems premeditated in away how sick he slept on top of her how twisted would u have to b did he go to bed every night reliving his crime with her in his bed like that my stomach is turning !!!!!! Imagine if he wouldn't of got caught probably would of grown up to b a for sure SERIAL KILLER !!!!!!!
When I am teaching my kids about “stranger danger” , this is a tragic story I tell them about. You have to be careful, even if people aren’t “strangers”. Our world is a sad place sometimes. God bless Maddie and her loved ones.
Be careful with that though, abductions and abuse usually come from inside the family, not from strangers. That campaign made more harm than good preventing child abductions. Teach them the signs of grooming and all these things too, so stranger or not, they can identify them and be safe x Hope you and your kids stay safe, take care and love each other, we’re all we have ❤️
@@MichoacanaRobertson trust me I have covered all aspects of this with my children. Aunts, Uncles, Grandparents, cousins, family friends, Teachers, and coaches...... the list goes on and on(sadly). I have made it very clear what to watch for!! I do not sugar coat this subject.
@@marnienaylor8550 U sound like a good mom.
@@marnienaylor8550 thank you for keeping your children safe.
@@marnienaylor8550 it’s sadly a really long list! You can never be “too careful” with kids, have to protect them at all costs!! You sound like a great mum though, so I’m sure they’ll be okay and grow up to be functioning adults that can defend themselves in this crazy word we live in.
I can’t process that a 14 year old boy would do this..
have you heard about the recent one of a 14 year old girl who killed her 19 yo sister with cerebral palsy
@@accioyoongi yesss omg
A group of 14-16 yr olds lads were beating a 14year old with a baseball bat round where I live the other day, he escaped when neighbours came out to intervene so I can totally believe that a 14year old would do this.
@@AriaGracefield wtf that’s disgusting
There’s something so much scarier knowing that “innocent” children can be so evil ever heard of Mary bell? She was horrible too and I think she was like 10 as well the boys who hurt James bulger I believe is his name that was a toddler 😢😢😢
the fact that Josh a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD “had a crush” on an 11 year old girl was the first red flag for me
yeah but it was a different time so it might’ve been normal ??? i don’t knwo. but the parents weren’t bothered by it so i’m guessing that’s why? i don’t know
@@spunchbob8018 i’m just saying he was 8th/9th grade and she was 5th/6th😳
My 11th grade friend was dating an 8th grader🤢
@@cindyunicornz 🤮
@@cindyunicornz that’s disgusting
this was a very strange and disturbing case. i watch true crime a lot and sometimes i feel like i’m desensitized. definitely not. this freaked me out. outstanding job covering the case. rest easy maddie.
I agree.
yeah.. this one is especially horrifying
Yes I was thinking the same thing! This case has really quite disturbed me and made me feel uneasy. Such a horrible thing to happen to such a nice little girl :(
I had the same feeling. I’ve seen lots of graphic gore, watched tonnes of true crime but this case by far has creeped me out the most. The boy (whom looked like a regular normal 14 year old in the picture) happily slept right on top of a dead, rotting little girl for like a week. Like what the actual-
I WAS LITERALLY JUST THINKING “I RLLY HOPE ELEANOR COVERS THIS” AND HERE YOU AREEE OMG
Sameeee
YESSS SHES SO ACTIVE
gosh i love her
I really hope she covers the Brandon teena story one day
Same I’ve always been into this case
I hate polygraph tests because I feel like you could easily get a false reading just because you are nervous for the simple fact that it is a polygraph test
That’s why they’re not admissible in court but it’s still bs bc the results are inevitably going to sway those who read them one way or the other
frr
Exactly. Polygraph results are a load of bollocks, and American cops are thick as two short planks for using them in the first place.
I'm currently going to college to get my Psychology degree. Even psychologists believe that the Polygraph test is a horrible tool to use because people's brains are just wired differently. Someone with horrible anxiety can fail a test, and someone with a disorder like antisocial personality disorder can possibly pass it easily.
Which is why they are inadmissible in court
That poor poor child, i cant imagine how scared she could of been.
the man is getting re-sentenced in 2 years, the police that dealt with it back then say they regret giving him such a long sentence. i can’t stand police, that poor little girl was murdered and they regret punishing him for it, absolute disgusting 🤢:(
@@charlottek2415 wow, ACAB
I feel so bad for Larry, he probably was hated in the neighbourhood until he was cleared
I mean he was accused of a SA for a reason and it was in the 70' so I doubt him getting cleared truly proves his innocence
@@222222ania He had no help in the murder and there was loads of false reports in the 70s. I do completely understand what your saying though
@@222222ania Men are falsely accused frequently and this is why, decades later a murder happens and a dismissed SA claim comes back to harm a man who had the charges dropped against him. Women who falsely accuse men of SA should be punished severely because that accusation lasts for life and can damage for life too.
@@RosieWilliamOlivia Agreed
@@RosieWilliamOlivia men are not falsely accused very often. In fact men have more of a chance of being raped then they do being accused of rape 🤦♀️ rates for false allegations of sexual violence are no higher than those reported in other categories of crime. Most of the less than 2% that make up false claims are because police cannot attain sufficient corroborating evidence and mark it down as no crime.
So I’m American and we call torches flashlights so when she went “she went to grab a torch” I thought of her bringing a medieval open fire torch lol
Same 😂
😂😂
im sorry i laughed but its
*medieval
@@berries922 ty lol, I’m very dyslexic and that was the glory of auto correct
same HAHA
I love that she tells you when she’s goina be speaking about children and sexual assault before she gets into it I personally don’t have problems but I know it does make some people really uncomfortable so I’m happy she thinks about that before getting into it
she’s so considerate of her viewers
So many people make fun of trigger warnings when genuinely, it’s just being considerate of others around you!! I appreciate Eleanor’s care.
ikr i was sexually assulted when i was 4-17 (thankfully i tried tms and ketamine treatments which helped my anxiety and depression a lot especially with outbursts) and i had to skip it lol so i really appreciate it too!
@@kenzieleigh4628 I'm so glad you were able to get help and figure out what works!! I'm in therapy rn and trying to figure out what works for me. I wish you nothing but peace and contentment on the rest of your journey
I love how she does this also. Not many channels take the time to give trigger warnings
Imagine being able to sleep on top of a corpse. When you're 14. Thats a bit sickening
Way more than a bit sickening
Understatement of the century
Won't be eating lunch alone again perfect timing!
I'm eating lunch too! Yayyy
Hey, me too!!
LUNCH!!! its 9pm
It’s 9 at night for me but supper maybe
@@stevenmiles7213 its 1:10pm here
I live in Jacksonville. It’s horrible here. The crime rate is insane, the crash rates are even worse. I’ve seen people randomly pull out guns in traffic and in public. I can’t fathom why anyone would ever want to intentionally live here
im sorry that you have to live in such a place, I couldn't imagine the constant fear everyday. I hope you can get out one day.
I feel bad for you
Haha right ?! I was born and raised here. Lol.
Its shitty , yes. Depends on what side of town u live on. There are good and bad things about everywhere. Tbh. Unless you have a goood money flow , then you can choose somewhere better , if not then you love in middle class places like jville and other places like it. Its all about how you make it ! Lol
@@LillbitAlley facts though. Unless you’re rich or upper middle class, this place is hell. The rich and white privilege absolutely reeks here
Eleanor’s cases: 👹⛓🔪🔞
Eleanors personality: 💖🎀✨🧸🌸
Lmao "Eleanor's cases" all crime cases are horrid in some way haha
This is copied lol
I love the fact that you actually take time to talk about the victims and their personal life, usually they get brushed over and forgotten, which is really sad, but you talk about them and that's just really nice that you do that
*Eleanor Neale notification*
Me: STOPS EVERYTHING IM DOING AND WATCHES
SAMEEEE
Same
i’m really glad that the boys mother didn’t try and cover up for her son because a lot of mother’s will do that! much respect for her and I can’t even imagine how terrified she must’ve been when she found the body may that innocent little girl rest in peace. 💔
*mothers :)
Supposedly his parents are trying to get him out of jail
@@her4837 yikes :/
@@her4837 why
yeah
How could you sleep with a little girl dead under your bed? That's sick.
He slept on the floor of his parents’ room.
@@MaddysinLeigh i mean its still wrong
As soon as i heard about his birds smelling, i knew something was wrong. Parakeets aren't supposed to smell like that.
@@misskayla._4167 oh 100% yes!
I got actual CHILLS when you described how she found the little girl. Ugh. Poor mom. Poor Maddie. So. Sad.
THIS IS SO WEIRD I LITERALLY SAW THIS CASE ON TIK TOK AND WAS TRYING TO FIND A DOCUMENTARY ON IT TODAY AND OFC ELEANOR NEALE COMES TRHOUGHHHHHH
I was a boy. They were two girls. Can I make it any more obvious? I am the ULTlMATE L0VER on this platform. Don't enter my ch*nnel if you are not above a certain age, dear nico
Every time
Omg sameee
Same-
@@AxxLAfriku pardon?
Eleanor is not only intelligent, well spoken, and sassy but is also absolutely stunning!
Yess omg. She’s so beautiful and her make up is always so prefect
Yesss we need a makeup tutorial
Her wings are fierce ❤️
frrrr she’s so well-spoken and breaks down everything so well
Plus, she says, "bébé".👶💭
💪🎽🤘
👖
👢👢
❤💛💚💙💜
For anyone else who pictured a wooden stick on fire when she said “torch”: I looked it up and apparently it’s a flashlight.
In aus we call a flashlight a torch so weird that it’s not wildly known hahaa
@@reneebradley7831 lol yeah, if you said that in the US you’d get some weird looks from people being confused and/or concerned haha. (Because in this case the woman was inside and I was worried she’d burn her house down, lol)
Yeah because In English that is what a torch is. American English (simplified English) had to obviously rename it so people over there could understand it .....
@@Imagummybearpop I’ve never looked into the history of flashlights before, but from very brief research I found that us Americans called them flashlights because they originally only worked for brief “flashes”. Hence the name. There’s all kinds of things that are called by different names in the US than they are in England and Australia. Like don’t Australians call flip flops thongs? In the US that’s skimpy underwear. And then there’s cookie/biscuit and French fries/chips. I don’t think it’s necessarily simpler to decide to call something by a different name. In the US, if you say torch it implies fire. What do you guys call torches, then, since that’s your word for flashlight? I’m genuinely curious.
@@jamieb2235 the last part. I'm also curious lol
Larry sounds like a legit dude tbh. He's just out here keeping an eye on the neighborhood kids so their parents can get their chores/work done. I bet he missed out on doing stuff with his own children b/c he had to work and he knows what it's like. You know, nobody would have questioned an older lady hanging out with the neighborhood kids in the afternoons while their parents are busy.
My neighbor, a retired widower asks my mom and me over when he hangs out on his porch. Almost every house on our block has kids. He had adult kids and grandchildren but they don't live close. He says he likes to hear the hustle and bustle of the kids while he reads or listens to a game or putters in the yard but is worried what people might think if it's just him alone. It makes him feel involved and less lonely to help watch the kids. This year people are more comfortable but the first year? It's sad but kind of necessary to be like this. I see both sides.
And yeah, no one bats an eye about me. 🤷
Reminds me of my dad. He’s so nice and loves being around kids. He’s got really strong parental instincts. The neighbours frequently send their kids over for him to watch if they’re busy. He also has some dirty allegations against him from my abusive mother from the divorce that, of course, didn’t go anywhere. I feel for Larry because he clearly had that smear on him that didn’t go away decades later.
Honestly yeah it’s such a shame there’s double standards like that but Larry was a great
guy and he probably felt terrible that this happened and it was exactly what he was trying to avoid.
I mean when you have allegations place on you considering sexual assault, it's really not a mystery for why someone looks at you weirdly. I wouldn't want my child around someone like that, so I can understand why police was gazed upon him!
Omg omg. Maddie was my BLOOD cousin. My grandmas name is Toni Clifton , so her dad was my great uncle , So technically she was, we called her my cousin. But , yeah just wanted to share that. I wish that she could have continued to grow up her family. Beautifullll life taken tooo fast . I wish I could share our photos together when we were young. But I was about 3 when she was about 5-6 I've been following her case for so long and it's really cool that you are doing this case ! SENDING LOVE FROM JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA !!! 💌💌💌 Thanks for the awesome videos !!! 🍓
I'm so sorry for you... I really feel for you
i’m so sorry for your loss xxxx
Sorry for your lost, she’s in a better place now
My condolences. It's truly tragic and terrible what happened. I don't understand how people can be so cruel and insidious.
So sorry for your loss! ♥️🙏
this case really blows my mind because i first heard about it on Killer kids, and the documentary really presents Josh as the victim, made me feel a little bad for him because of the abuse he faced. But they left out SO many facts.
i was waiting for someone to mention killer kids
How would they present him as a victim?
Investigators who worked on the case said Josh had no remorse at all - and he clearly got some sexual gratification from killing. If he's let out, he'll almost certainly kill again.
@@carlyg.1282 They just said that he accidentally hit her and that he heard his dad come home so he kept hitting her so he wouldn't get in trouble. If I remember correctly. They phrased it as if his dad never came home Josh would have gotten help and Maddie would be alive. The documentary focused a lot on his abuse. His mom even talked about it and said if her husband didn't come home she thinks Maddie would be alive.
This is why you have to be careful of documentary type series. They always have a narrative
Props to the mother for doing the right thing
I went to camp with Maddie! This was devastating to my hometown:( thank you for covering this!
I bet Maddie was a amazing girl..
I feel so terrible for both families in this situation...I can't imagine how Maddie felt and how devastated her family is, and not mention how horrified Josh's family probably is too. My brother is 13 and the thought of him or his friends doing this is so upsetting.
When I hear a case is in Florida, I automatically brace myself for the most disturbed crimes/killers I can imagine.
Welcome to Florida ; the serial killer state
Whyyy though😂😂 I’m from Florida and honestly I never ever hear or see any of these crazy things in real life only on videos like these
@@sherieka1100 @Sherieka Pollock I lived in an area of Florida where a naked cannibal ate a man's face off in broad daylight on a well traveled road. Every day I had to drive over the bridge that they force all the sexual offenders to live under. Florida is insane. I was so terrified of breaking down on that bridge at night, imaging being swarmed by violent sex offenders.
@@giabarrone7422 I’m sorry you have to worry about that i would be so paranoid
@@lagncx3700 Thanks, but I haven't lived in Florida for a long time. I would read the news there long after I left, because the crime section was crazier than the plots on prime-time crime dramas. There is a reason the "Florida Man" stereotype exists.
let’s appreciate the amount of work she puts into these videos..
And how much she posts
@@karrots8412 yep!
At 14 I was excited abouy buying Mountain Dew and skittles..... Couldn't imagine what was going on in his brain.
Supposedly he killed her due to the fact that they were playing baseball (maddie and josh) when he hit her in the eye accidentally and she started bleeding, crying and screaming. he was afraid of getting in trouble with his abusive father so he hit her with the baseball bat again.
@@gwiyomijessi848 still not an excuse to kill a child
@@rockhistoria2537 when did i say it was an excuse? the person i commented to said they couldn’t imagine what was going on in their brain, so i said probably what he was thinking. i in no way think his actions are justified
@@gwiyomijessi848 oh ok
@@gwiyomijessi848 that was revealed to be BS, but it is reported on more since they think it's so much cooler. His motive has been mostly reported as being that he tried to assault Maddie, she fought back, and he killed her. This was mostly based in the fact he was watching violent porn before and after her murder.
“The body under the water bed”
The ad I was shown: *Beds*
OOP-
Creepy
I got bamboo bed sheets lol
Lol I got a furniture ad
Wow I got a chocolate one
Honestly as an older sister, I've felt the dread and anxiety you get when you're shouting your little sister's name trying to find them. All the thoughts that must've been going through her head. Luckily, my sister's still with me. (Nothing happened she just walked off) Bless this little girl, I hope her and her family are well ❣
I'm an older sibling, the terror that fills you is bonkers...
yelling out my sister's name and she doesn't give me an answer gives me the biggest anxiety 🤦♀️
The worry I felt when my brother went out to do stuff when he was a kid is unreal...Once when we were walking out (For the life of me, I can't remember why it was just the 2 of us), a guy ( early to mid 20's at the time, I guess) I remember my mom talking to in passing came up and gave my brother a hug so tight he literally lifted him off the ground, (mind you, my brother was around 7 at the time, and I was around 11, 12) and it freaked me out so much thinking that this guy was going to run off with my brother and hurt him. That older sibling instincts went off the charts and I immediately started thinking of ways to get help and still track my brother when that guy let him go, said bye and walked off. I still don't know why a guy would just hug a kid he's seen only once the way he did. People always talk about a parents instinct to protect their kids but almost always overlook an older siblings instinct to protect the younger ones, even if it means getting hurt themselves.
Could you imagine being the mother of a boy & finding the little girl that's been missing under his bed where he's been hiding her?! Omg I can't even imagine the pain, fear, confusion and guilt...
That’s what’s so shitty about crimes like these. Everyone loses, the murderer’s family as well
God, I cannot even imagine being a parent in a situation like this. I get panicked if my little sister doesn't text me back right away when she goes out. I would be hysterical and inconsolable. My heart goes out to any parent or family member of a missing loved one. Sounds like a nightmare come to life.
what a monster. can you imagine being his parents?? that much evil in a kid that young, he would have Def grown up to be a serial killer if he wasn't caught now.
His dad was a piece of shit, and is probably a big part of how Josh turned out.
@@MaddysinLeigh u r responsible for your own actions
@@saira9632 you are, however certain types of trauma DO impact developmental growth and can cause people to commit violent crimes in adulthood or adolescence.
@@saira9632 Its not an excuse but an explanation.
@@saira9632 I never said he wasn’t responsible. Our childhoods shape who we are, tons of people have had worse childhoods than Josh and turned out fine. It doesn’t justify what he did, it just shows why he became who he is.
There aren’t many other you tubers who can keep every video up to the same standard and somehow she manages it
Big respect
That is one evils as child! The fact that he knew he killed her and still went out to “help” the family. That’s just pure evil in my eyes.
may she rest in peace :( she seemed like such a sweet little girl, my condolences to her family and friends.
If I had to take a polygraph test I'd fail because of my anxiety and social phobia. So I'd be screwed. XD
Same. Lie detector tests aren't reliable since it tests emotional responses. A psychopath could easily pass it by lying and an anxious person could easily fail it by being honest :/
@@whyareyoulikethis2819 Exactly! Its disturbing that a psychopath can keep a straight face. Especially if they murdered someone...oof
I like how the sister clarified how Larry was also a dad but his kids were older and he had no ill will. Because at first glance it looks bad.
I hope she knows how much i appreciate the time she takes to give us her content
This sounds like something out of a horror movie. Imagine looking under the bed and seeing a dead body. I’d have a heart attack this is so sad
And soon as you mentioned the sock that wouldn’t come loose I felt pure dread.
with the blood on the ceiling fan it makes sense that his parents didn’t see it even if it was a lot because it’s not often that you look at a ceiling fan
I just looked over at the dust on my fan.
I get such a morbid feeling when eleanor says a specific date.
Wait...I don't get it. Why do you get a morbid feeling when she says a specific date? I'm definitely missing something here.... :/
@@remmilayne6153 because every time she says a specific day she means the day when the victim dies
Omg me too! And then I start thinking back to that time and what I may have been doing whilst this was going on!
Oh somebody finally covered this story! I recommended it to another UA-camr a while ago, but it was still jarring seeing Maddie’s face right now as I scrolled through UA-cam. I went to school with Maddie. She was in 2nd grade (or maybe 3rd) while I was in 1st. Although she was a grade above me, my neighbor/close friend was in her class and a classmate/close friend of mine was her neighbor/close friend (I hope that made sense). It was incredibly traumatizing for everyone at our elementary school when this happened. Looking back, it’s so odd remembering the conversations 1st and 2nd graders were having about murder, not to mention murder of a close friend and fellow child. Adults obviously tried to speak with us about it a certain way, but I distinctly remember the conversations we as children had alone trying to make sense of it. I remember us referring to her neighbor/murderer (who my classmate also knew) as her “playmate.” We’d say “her playmate did it.” There were facts of the case we got wrong that I didn’t even realize we’d gotten wrong until adulthood because they had just become facts in my head from these childhood discussions. But I distinctly remember the innocence in how we spoke of it; “her playmate hit her in the head with a ball by accident and got scared.” He had also gone to our school, making everything very close to home and deeply confusing. I also remember my classmate/friend, who I mentioned was Maddie’s close friend and neighbor, tearing up as she talked about just trying to go home but news reporters stopping her and harassing her with questions. She said she was crying really hard while answering their questions and just wanted to go home but they wouldn’t leave her alone, and she couldn’t understand why adults were doing that to her when they obviously could tell she was so sad. That was very hard to comprehend as a 1st grader. I appreciate this is getting attention because Maddie, an all around nice, bright, and kind girl, deserves the mourning. Our whole city was shook by this, it was on every TV. In fact, my parents would frequently pull us out of restaurants if they had it playing on the news and we’d go to a different one. I appreciate my parents trying to protect us from it but it was impossible. I’ve heard that the murderer has asked for forgiveness and wants to be released from jail. From someone with a connection to the victim and the story, I firmly believe he does not deserve it. No forgiveness. Not only did he take Maddie away, but he traumatized hundreds of children in the process. Parents too. He made the world feel unsafe for us and that’s not something I’m willing to forgive. Of course, the biggest victim in this is Maddie, followed by her family, but Maddie’s friends and classmates were also victims too. If your child goes through a trauma like this, I recommend you talking to them about it often and in-depth. I respect my parents and my friends parents’ desire to try and “protect” us from this by avoiding talking about it and turning the TV off when it came on the news, but the reality is any spare moment alone, your kid will be talking about this with their friends and if you don’t guide the conversation for them, their confusion will be even more traumatizing for them. Just a short PSA from someone who experienced this. RIP to Maddie, a girl who continues to be greatly missed.
EDIT: I hadn’t watched the video yet when I wrote this and I’m very concerned by the mention of this being on Tik Tok. Can anyone explain it to me? I really hope they’re not insulting Maddie’s memory or making light of this.
The reason why you found out so much is you were allowed to go to school. I was homeschooled by my legal guardian on duke road three streets away which basically meant when you were at school I had to figure out my school work on my own or face a "teacher" who would scream at me for being stupid. I vaguely remember anything about it at the time besides I was only allowed to go in the front yard and the backyard even when I wanted to ride my bike. My only freind was a longhaired tuxedo cat named Sebastian who was subsequently shreaded by one of the neighbors adopt a greyhound s after one of Kathy Dennis's piano students let him out. She had Sebastian declawed so he couldn't even defend himself. We got a call the next day she and I went to get him and when she saw him she was going to leave my best friend mangled in the gutter. I at 9 had to be the grown-up and pick up my freind and put in in a garbage bag and bring him home. But I had no freedom and no one would tell me anything besides because I say so until I was 13.
a 14 year old having a crush on an 11 year old. THATS DISGUSTING
Ikr
yeah dude is clearly messed up in many ways, so sad
It's not uncommon as it's only a 3 year age gap but the situation that happened with it was disgusting..
@@tinnycan5303 age gaps are relevant when kids are minors. a 20 year old and a 23 year old is fine, but a 14 year old shouldnt like an 11 year old. two different mental ages.
@@niaram It's not necessarily didn't mental ages. It depends. I don't think an age gap that small is necessarily creepy or inappropriate.
Can I just point out the fact that josh had a crush on maddie’s sister? He was 14 and she was 11, three years isn’t bad normally but when you’re that young that is so weird
i think when all partied involved are kids you cant really judge or blame. everyones a child, nobodies mature. a 14 year old is more mature but kids be wild and dont generally understand the complexities we do, its not like a 14 year old is oh so mature in comparison ygm. but i do get your point
Yeah I thought that was kinda weird too, while three years isn’t usually that bad, 11 and 14 are two different maturity levels in life
Its like a 14 year old and a 17 year old so wierd
I mean i find it weird too, but to me anyone one year younger than me feels too young for me to like lmao
Mostly because i feel like i drastically change every year, so i assume other teens feel the same. Well it makes sense im still a senior in highschool i guess
It can depend, like if he was barely 14 and she was nearly 12, that would basically be a 12 year old and a 13 year old, wich is pretty normal. but like not defending this guy.
My neighbor once took my daughter out of my yard without my knowledge and I was inside for just a minute getting her a drink while she played in our gated yard. She was 5 and this was a woman neighbor but she had an alcoholic boyfriend who lived with her so my daughter wasn’t allowed over there. Her granddaughter I guess was visiting and that was her excuse but as soon as I realized Sof wasn’t in my yard my ran and jumped the fence and start looking both ways of my street hoping to see anything. I scream her name and run toward the main road thinking if someone took her they’d head for the main road and I’m also on my cell calling my husband like hey did u come take sof and I just didn’t hear you and when he said no my heart sank! A woman across my street said she saw a woman with a little girl walk in that house and she pointed to my neighbor and I ran up and tried to open their door, locked so I bang as hard as I can and they acted like I was just some crazy bitch upset for nothing 🤯 never again! I was lucky enough for my daughter to come back safe and sound. But living thru that panic was the scariest time of my life.
I’m happy your daughter was ok. I don’t understand how someone would think this is ok. Wow.
@@thequirkymomma1113 come to find out the owner of the home was trying to evict her for 2 years and she would have fake identity’s lol. She had apartments in another name with her real bday or getting government money she wasn’t suppose too. It taught me looks really are deceiving. She was a seemingly nice woman who took care of her grand daughter but just to barely scratch beneath the surface you discover the boyfriend which yea was bad but all that new info was so insane to me.
@@thequirkymomma1113 sorry also want to throw in her and her daughter came up with the scheme for her granddaughter to be forfeited to her and then the daughter got pregnant with a new baby so she could also get food stamps and housing. This is all from the owner of the house but I can believe it lol.
Did you call the police? I only ask because you didn't actually say if you did or not.
@@rainbowshinelove1208 no but I had my phone n called my husband to see if she was with him and it was during that phone call I figured out where she was but I planned to once I hung up if she wasn’t with him. I already had tear drenching my face. So scary.
So was he sleeping this whole week on top of her body? That shows how heartless he is.
Ikr! Like how can you sleep on top of a CHILDS body that you killed. Creepy and disgusting
But like props for the mother for actually reporting her own son and not covering him up cuz v all know mothers have a weak spot for their kids ❤️❤️
i will never trust someone who sleeps on a waterbed tbh
@Pizzazz Cabbage 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Umm what is a water bed?? Umm sorry for asking but in our country we dont have those thats why i m asking
@Pizzazz Cabbage if it has water doesnt it get mold or does it not rots??
@Pizzazz Cabbage thnks for answering but what i really found weird is that boy trying to hide a corpse in that water bed he is sick in is mind😫😨
Parents had one and were abusive terrible people, you might be on to something.
Imagine trying to fix your kids bed and you find a body.
I... don’t wanna imagine that tbh 😳
Brooo my worst fear is coming home to find like 20 fingers (I have only two family members) tied to string hanging from the ceiling
@@moonmaster8588 that’s oddly specific, why only fingers and not other body parts?
@@robbieboydudeguy bc you can’t hang a whole decapitated head from a ceiling
@@moonmaster8588 Yeah but why not like, an arm or a foot or something? Or eyeballs? You could hang those with some strong thread and toothpicks and some patience
I can’t even imagine how that boys mother must have felt finding that body must of been so traumatic for her
Polygraphs rely on your body’s reactions. If he was upset that Maddie was missing, as I’m sure he was, that’s what the test picked up on. “Do you know what happened to Maddie?” I’m sure that question would upset anyone. Possibly blamed himself for her going missing because he was the adult watching her.
I am not sure how you could legitimately give one to and adolescent. Their whole system is zooming around.
True plus it was 19’ something I doubt it was as advanced as now?
@@ssterlingdve rest assured, next to nothing has changed on the topic of polygraphs.
@@DrCandyStriper actually things have changed. The technology hasn’t but the parameters of reactions that are considered truths or lies has changed dramatically over the years. I’ve encountered cases from decades ago where LEOs state that a related polygraph dismissed someone from suspicion where nowadays they would be considered a viable suspect.
I LEGIT JUST GOT OFF TIKTOK, HEARING ABOUT THE CASE. AND NOW YOURE COVERING IT. im sleeping with my bible tonight
That’s not a bad idea tbh if an intruder were to come in you could throw your bible at their head and run away
@@shannonceleste5557 i
@@shannonceleste5557 why did this make me laugh
@@shannonceleste5557 true
@@shannonceleste5557 i giggled
This is honestly such a terrifying story. Imagine cleaning your child's room and you find a body
I would be terrified if I was Josh’s Mother and I would’ve been crying so hard because I had found a little girl in my sons waterbed
The poor mother that found her body... the fact that he was sleeping on her dead body.. how evil can one get.
He wasn’t actually sleeping on her body. He stayed in his parents room, on the floor.
@@MaddysinLeigh That’s not what was said in the video, and Eleanor does her research..
@@Chiffawndueaccording to Josh’s mother in a documentary for the 10 year mark of the murder, he didn’t sleep in his bed. I’ll post a link if I can find it.
I can’t believe he did that he was only 14 he’s bloody disgusting!💀🤢🤬😡
Ikr, it's sickening
YES IKR SO DISGUSTING
The two- and three- part cases show your audience how important it is to you to get out as much information as you can. Keep up the good work, Eleanor!
I've been born and raised in Jacksonville, fl. I'm 33, lived here my whole life - and I will never forget this case and the effect it had on my city and my community.
This case breaks my heart because a lot of the wide spread knowledge on this case is the killer’s (he doesn’t deserve promotion) story over hers
The way she says “So today’s video” gives me life
‘True crime is blowing up on tiktok at the moment’
Claire Miller: hold my beer
her video showed up on my fyp and i was not expecting that comment section.
@@imsodonewiththissh1t wasn’t it just people being like “commenting so I’m in the Netflix documentary”
@@rickmanalwayss i didn't see those comments, i just saw people saying they werent expecting that comment section, people referencing her crime, and then i finally found people who were like "heres whay she did"
I was a few months younger than her and lived in the same town. I remember all the adults talking about her being missing and what happened to her. Her murder broke everyone's heart. I even have a cousin named after her in her memory.
This case is just so crazy, I can’t imagine what Maddie’s parents had to go through finding out what had happened to their daughter and the same for Josh’s parents too, imagine finding that under your sons bed!
He's dad died in a car accident. I think he was on he's way to visit his son in prison
She kinda looks like young Emma watson
I was waiting for someone to say that
@@jostewart3192 😂😂
i thought that too
Who else didn't hear about this case before?
Me! 👋🏻
I watched someone else who covered this case but this is done better
meee
I am 100%!!!!!! Feeling dejavu with the thumpnail and the ENTIRE story.... but when I looked she hadn't covered the case before
@@peacepeacegirl1014 OMG sameee
Her childhood sounds so much like my childhood. My sister was my best friend, there was lots of kids in my street and we would knock on the doors of our friends to ask them out to play. My mum would send me out on my bike to find my sister at tea time. It's so scary how similar it was.
mine as well
eleanor - “suh todehs videuh”
me - “YESSSSSS”
Please cover the 14 year girl on tiktok that just murdered her disabled sister and has posted a tiktok like hours before! The story is still evolving but I’d love to hear more
Disabled how?- im interested
@@badbiddy2163 Cerebral Palsy.
@@angelokeaton6604 thank you
@@badbiddy2163 Np.
What’s her username?
The cliffhanger.... also I feel so bad for Maddie's family and the mother imagine how traumatizing it would be to see that your 14-year-old son had been hiding a corpse under his bed under your roof for so long and haven't even noticed.
They acted like baby sitters not cops .. I can imagine that helped put her at ease more than they could know
Could you cover the ana kriejal case? It was a murder case that happened in Ireland in 2018 and id love to see you cover it as the media coverage at the time was awful
She did
I love that Eleanor gives us information about the victims. It shows that they were so much more than just victims. They were kind, loving people who deserved so much better ❤
That's a brave brave woman touching a wet sock found in a teenage boys room
These kind of stories make people more aware of their children. I appreciate the awareness the families spread. My heart goes to all.
I heard about this case and found it insane how he didn't even take care of his pets let them sit in their own poo and have a body under his bed for about a week fricken gross
the pets thing freaks you out more than the sleeping on a dead body?
@@gigibonet3412 *I mean they never said it freaked them that out more than that part, to be fair*
@@gigibonet3412 pretty sure OC was just saying that the guy is gross and cruel
I just don’t understand what he thought he was going to do???? I feel so horrible for these families, even his mother that found her body. I would no longer have a son. She did the right thing telling the police immediately
I... don’t think he had much of a plan tbqh.. clearly :/
Shannon's right. A sociopath he may be, but he's also a 14 year-old boy with little life experience. He must have worked out a plan of disposing her body on the night of the murder, but he didn't factor in the speed at which the search would start and intensify, leaving him with no choice but to wait it out the way he did
you should talk abt that girl claire miller who recently stabbed her older sister, then was all over peoples tiktok for you pages! but maybe later when the case has more info on it