The fact that there’s even a tiny chance that Maddie was still alive after the second time he put her under his bed is absolutely heartbreaking. I watch a LOT of true crime but this one got to me.
@@someonesecret7645 the only thing that consoles me is that if she was already in the point of no return... she would lose the ability to think, the would just... stay there, till her heart stopped.
Ya but how did she not ever.notice he had Jessie's picture on his headboard and just allowed to crush on an 11 yr old and stay home alone after breaking into to their house?? I feel they have some to blame in not handling their sicko kid.
@@mizzlynzz how do we know that photo was on visible place? How do we know that they even knew about it? I'm not defending them or anything, it's just we don't have exact details about everything.
@@mizzlynzz I was a very sneaky 14 year old, even though my mom was very involved in what I was doing, I got up to tons of things she had no clue about. They probably weren't perfect parents but his mom did the right thing. As a mother myself I think it would be a very hard position to be in.
And then she had to report her own child. I’d imagine she debated what to do for at least a moment. Has to be an awful feeling to report your own kid. Or even how she feels towards him now. And that’s he only kid... it’s loss. Not the same loss as Maddie’s mom, but still a sort of loss
Same, imagine finding out ur son is a cold blood murderer. That must be terrible, but i can't necessarily feel bad with my whole heart, i couldn't imagine what the other family feels. To loose a their child. To find out ur child is literally a few houses down under sum perverted 14 year olds bed.
Regardless of the fact that his brain wasn't fully developed, a 14 year old knows not to strangle someone, not to hit someone over the head with a bat and not to stab anyone.
He probably had a lot of problems in the psychology department. He is either really evil or really horribly sick up there. Either way he's done a horrible thing
It was awful, but life in prison with no parole? At 14? Maybe parole after 20-30 years and it was a terrible thing but I’m not sure how I feel about it.
@@natinthehat7700 Like mentioned, he had multiple times to prevent her death, but he didn't. Not to mention the fact there was a potential sexual assault case before the murder. He's lucky he avoided the death sentence. She didn't deserve to die, and he doesn't deserve to be free, knowing that he took an innocent girls life.
Millions of boys make it through their teen years with underdeveloped brains being rejected by crushes and don't murder anyone. Life is too good for him.
@@maplemation1564 fr, people who get all salty and petty because of that disgust me, we have all been rejected, obviously some rejections go to far and are hurtful, but jeez
I think they didn't know until they found the photo in his room after the murder that it could've been him (was listening to this while working though so might have not heard all the info).
Child killers are pretty rare. I know he is 14, but that is still quite young. People rarely look at minors when it comes to murder suspects, unless they are directly involved in the case
I think it’s actually creepier that he’s so well behaved in prison than it would be if he was really troublesome. Because he was well behaved before he did this too.
exactly. he's a psychopath, he can fake emotion so easily. He doesn't feel real emotion he just fakes it, like he did when he was 14. You can't murder someone so gruesomely at such a young age, feel no remorse and then 'change' years later. it doesn't work like that, he should never ever be let out he is a danger to society
I have heard from people who have left prison that people who commit the crimes that he has done normally are , they just seem to be normal people , but their not really normal their sick humans.Think of the statistic where if your raped it's most likely going to be someone you know. That's because they always apear to be normal people and in most cases no one would have ever expected it from them but deep down their sick individuals.
He's well behaved because the type of victim he'd go after is not available for him. Also some type of criminals apparently benefit from the routine that prison life offers.
He should never get out. The fact that he had several chances to spare her life but also slept on top of her body and joined searches? Keep his ass over there in jail forever.
Right? He couldn’t even fess up afterwards, tell the parents where their child was. They were so panicked and stressed, and he knew where she was the whole time.
@@jocelynsandoval9385 honestly that bothers me the most. Maybe I sort of understand killing her because he molested her or because he was just an evil child. And the body under the bed was just a child trying to cover up a crime. But keeping the poster? Was he relishing in his crime? Was he proud of it? Would he do it again if he’d gotten away with it?
When I was 14 I don’t think I would have gone out of my way to play with an 8 year old neighbor, let alone have an infatuation with someone who’s 11. Very odd.
That is odd, I am 15 and I have never wanted to play with anyone more than a year younger than me and I have never had a crush on someone who is more than 8 months younger than me.
Yeah. Like, if I was 11 I could see crushing on a 14 y/o. But not the other way around. At 14 you’re about to graduate middle school, at 11 you’re graduating 5th grade... no 14 year old would be crushing on an elementary schooler...
I was 8 and played with a 14 yr old but we lived next door to each other and our brothers were friends and my sister was dating one of her other brothers
“he feels very remorseful and very guilty” i don’t believe that. he’s not sorry for what he did, he’s sorry that he got caught. rest in peace sweet Maddie
@@AK-fr5zv Right?! youtube comments think they know better than medical professionals sometimes its insane . The physciatrists probably know more than we do ans that information isnt online for people to see so for people to just assume things off of limited info on this case ..
@@nana8144 To be fair, most of that information is available on the internet, probably all! At least what you'd need to become a psychiatrist or a psychologist, not what the patient told their doctors - that's confidential unless it constitutes imminent threat to human life - patient's or otherwise. What isn't available is rigorous testing to ensure that information is fully understood and actionable by the reader, nor the stringent ethic guidelines associated with such delicate work. There are mountains of information a patient gives during every hour of assessment and therapy that we don't (and can't) have access too - any psychiatrist and psychologist worth their salt knows that and won't sully their craft by jumping to their conclusion. The only people that do are the ones that spent a couple afternoons reading the basics and suddenly think that's as good as a periodically retested medical license and passing ethics committees!
Apparently he hasn’t changed his story either, he’s still going with the same one he gave them when it all happened, which I think really just says enough
i guess the halfway transition is a good place to stop and look at the comments because here i am too! poor sweetie Maddie. injustices to children hurt me to my core.
I wrote a current events report about the when I was in middle school. This is one of the first cases I heard that got me into true crime. So sad may she rest in peace. I hope his sentence continues to be upheld.
one of the joys i felt while listening was when eleanor said that they went to his school and arrested him there. ah, the shame, he deserves every bit of humiliation he gets. i could imagine his classmates being completely disgusted with him, it's wonderful.
@Lainey Quinn you're right, and that's sad. still though, his reputation is completely ruined; his classmates and his teachers are all revolted by him and while he isn't affected, I think it's good that they finally realized what type of person he is 😌
They likely wouldn’t have arrested him in front of other kids. They would have probably called him into the office and arrest him in private so that it’s safer Incase he resists arrest and it also doesn’t disturb the other kids.
and cops state what you are being arrested for. so shouting at the whole class "you're under arrest for the murder of Maddie Clifton" would be so satisfying
Who’s to say his obsession with her sister ever ended??? I would not want him released knowing he had my photo on his headboard and murdered my sister because of his infatuation?! Hell no
i feel like Josh may of been obsessed with Jessie and wanted have sex with her or something, they look very alike. Josh wanted Jessie but Jessie didn’t like Josh because Josh is older, Josh is trying so hard to have sex with Jessie so he takes Maddie so that he can think it’s Jessie. And the fact he had a picture of Jessie on his headboard is fucking disturbing. I fully believe that Josh sexually assaulted her, freaked out so killed her.
@@laceym9148 Yeah same here. Her body was already decomposing and you cant always see the signs of rape from what I recall hearing. Unless he tried or attempted to, and didnt succeed, she probably freaked out and he then had to kill her
@@laceym9148 well in his mind had to kill her. In my mind he is disgusting and should rot in a cell and didnt need to kill her. He could have just left her the hell alone 😤
when i was 11 there was this 14 year old boy who really liked me and told me repeatedly, if i hadnt rejected him i think we wouldve taken advantage of me
@@sandrapd3247 when I was 11, a boy who was 17 to 18 would constantly tell me he loved me, he livid down the street, and we "dated" for a while, I didnt understand what was wrong with it, until my parents found out, but all the people who came to know about it, said it wasnt wrong, cause he wasnt 18 yet...
It’s so scary thinking about having a kid and they could be like this, or be horrifically killed.. it’s so so scary.. I’ve been watching so many true crimes and it’s all so scary to be in this world, and to bring up a child and not know someone who looks so innocent could kill you or someone you love. It’s terrifying
You would blame yourself so much about the way you raised them and what you did wrong to make them this way. It’s terrifying to think your child could end up like this.
@@ynesmclain9757 agreed. I plan to be an adoptive parent to older children because they're the ones that get overlooked and wind up in the system until they're booted out at 18. I'm so fucking scared because I have no idea what's going to happen, because some of those kids will be troubled and I know it's going to be hard, but the fear comes from not knowing who's troubled because they're lacking proper support, who's troubled because they're traumatised or have a disability that's undiagnosed and who's troubled because they've got a troubling nature that may end dangerous.
how could you even sleep knowing you are lying on a dead body of a CHILD that you had murdered...its so disturbing. He should not be let out of prison.
The trauma his mother went through, finding that body. And she was naked, so his mom knew exactly what he had done immediately. It's sickening. I'm also torn on the whole "their brain hasn't fully developed so they shouldn't get life in prison" argument. Because at 14, your brain has developed enough to comprehend the severity of murdering another person. And it might be different if he had started crying and called someone right after the murder, but he kept her poster, he slept on her body... that's a level of psychopathy that doesn't get explained away with "but he's just 14."
Huh? ‘and she was naked, so his mom knew exactly what he had done immediately’ isn’t relevant at all because he actually DIDN’T sexually assault her???? He killed her. The corpse makes that obvious. Her being naked isn’t an indication of anything but sexual assault, which wasn’t the case??? Am I missing something lmao 🥴🥴
@@Emilyfrst Yes, his mom knew that she hadn’t just accidentally died and he hid her body. I think a parent would want to find the excuse that exonerates their child. “Oh maybe he didn’t murder her and it was an accident but he was afraid he would get into trouble so he hid her.” But she must have known instantly that that wasn’t the case. Clothes don’t just fall off magically. The moment she saw that body she knew 1) he killed her and 2) it was sexually motivated.
the fact he SLEPT on top of Maddie's poor body is just revolting. He also had the nerve to "help out" in the case he caused is heart wrenching from the bottom of my heart it goes out to the Clifton family.
A 14 year old having a crush on an 11 year old is a red flag. That boy was going to be problematic and since he's taken the life of a sweet innocent girl, he can stay rotting in prison.
He clearly tried sexually assaulting her that's why she was crying and wouldn't stop, that's when he knew he was in trouble and killed her..he deserves life still can't admit the truth, he hasn't changed..his only sorry for himself 😠
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I totally agree at 14 that age gap is gross. A 3 year age gap when your in your 20’s isn’t weird but when your a kid your still developed and your body is still changing. It’s just gross
lmao, I don't even think about liking a kid that's literally 1 year younger than me I feel like they're a baby after finding out they're younger than me.
but if you think about it it isn't THAT bad like if he's a teenager and she a kid like yeah that's disgusting but if they're both teens/adults like its pretty normal Idk if I'm saying this bc my parents have a 6 year age gap but yeah
Even as a 13 y/o I can't imagine having a crush on an 11 y/o. Its so nasty. I hate this whole case so much. How can you be so disgusting at such a young age
fr as a 13 y/o I find it weird that people try to defend it by saying “oh it’s only a 3 year difference” even if it was okay WHICH ITS NOT the dude broke into their house vandalized it and stole a picture of maddie but nobody surprisingly found that weird?
@@whizher4887 when your young and at that age yeah 11 and 13 is extremely and grossily weird. When ur more mature though and an adult and legal around 20 ish then a 3 year age difference is fine.
Cases that involve children are so sad. How can someone hurt another human that's innocent and defenseless, so cruel also I think he tried to asult her but she didn't want it so he killed her that
@@Klearith some of the people who commit murder have nothing mentally wrong with them, it just proves that literally anyone is capable of something so horrendous
His brain isn't fully developed to serve a life term in prison but its developed enough to plan, execute and try cover up a murder that he knew was wrong, makes sense 0%
As well as never have any apparent guilt over it at the time. There were multiple times he could have stopped. Some killers feel guilty and break down, confess, or try to get caught. The fact his behavior didn't change at all (except for trying to cover up the smell of the body) is chilling. It's not like people noticed a change in his personality...nope, he just handed out posters and went to school as normal.
As a kid, I was terrified of one of my parents. Due to that I was a very sneaky Teen and got into some trouble. HOWEVER, never once did taking a beautiful life away from anyone let alone an 8-year-old girl cross my mind:( poor baby girl
My question is. How was he not a suspect from the beginning? He literally broke into the house and was found in the older sisters BEDROOM. He was literally BANNED from playing with them🤦♀️ thinking of that poor innocent girl suffering in pain under his bed just breaks my heart
I think it was probably because he was just a child and you don’t want to think or it doesn’t even occur to you that children could commit such evil as to kidnap another child
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I'm from NZ and it's quite of awful to think we are assumed to be such a peaceful country, but we have 2 mass shootings both much larger than the largest one in Canada which has _millions_ more people than NZ (we only just reached a population of 5 million in our entire country!). The first was a POW camp where 49 prisoners were massacred, and the second is more widely known (I don't want my comment hidden so I won't use specific wording) where 51 people died. It's so horrible that certain weapons put so much power over life and death into the hands of certain deranged individuals :c
I'm sorry, but this guy was watching CP as a 14 year old, had an obsession with a younger girl (that even the parents of said girl found wrong), lured a girl into his house to sexually assault her, tried to murder her 2 in painful ways, then continuously lied about it and tried to throw his dad under the bus. Even if he "now feels bad", I don't think he should ever be released. I think he's a threat to children.
Yes. Plus i doubt he actually feels anything. I mean he was part of the search team looking for her, while he murdered her and slept with her body under his bed. There is no was a guy like that has any real emotions of pain and guilt. He’s most probably just sad he got caught.
I also get a bit annoyed at maddy's parents...like after see that break in and stapple the furniture and the other day finding him at the girl's room without even being invited to the house?? i wouldn't get over that thinking 'it's just a kid, nothing will happen' but would be terrified of him even living close to my daughters (not much they could do at that point anyway but still....
I left a longer comment on Part One, but thank you so so much for covering this. As a classmate of Maddie’s, I’ve suggested this case to other UA-camrs because the murderer has been trying to get out of jail, and I knew if more people knew about the case, more people would know he doesn’t deserve to get out and would help support keeping him in jail for life. So thank you. I’m so glad seeing all the comments saying he is a monster that doesn’t deserve to get out. You are all right and I’m glad everyone knows about poor Maddie so we can all keep this disgusting person in jail.
So sorry to hear that you were a classmate of maddies and you had to injure such a loss in such a brutal way at such a young age. Hopefully now that maddies case is getting the coverage it deserves, he will not ever get out of prison and no one else will get hurt by this horrible boy.
@@lilyneilson4706 thank you so much, Lily. I wasn’t nearly as scarred by this as some other people I know, like my friend who was Maddie’s incredibly close friend and neighbor, but it’s still not something you come out of unscathed as a child (or even an adult). My mother could never properly explain it to me because really how could you? So I know anyone who went to school, camp, lived on the same street with Maddie also cannot forget her face or her story because it took many years for the children impacted by her loss to even comprehend why (and how) she had left us in the first place. For my friend and Maddie’s other friends and family I am really glad this is getting attention in the right way (people rallying to keep the murderer behind bars and not weird sensationalism that takes advantage of the story). So thank you for caring about Maddie and our community and thank you for your kind words 💜
my deepest apologies for your loss. i remember just hearing about this case as a kid, feeling horrible, traumatized, and just wanting to be her friend. i can't imagine having known her in person. hopefully the universe works things out the way it should and keep him in prison.
@@camerondundale811 i will lose all hope in humanity if the murderer gets out, what he did was horrific and nothing justifies it. many believe that him only being young when he did it provides an excuse for his actions however being 14 myself, i am fully aware of what im doing, he wasn’t 4, he was 14 and he is evil. im so sorry that he did that to your friend.
@@ellaniamh2458 thank you 💜 I wasn’t super close with Maddie, my friends were much closer, but I’m grateful for your care directed at the people who knew her. It’s really common for adults to infantilize teens so I think people your age coming out and saying “hey I’m that age and I wouldn’t do that” is really important. Committing that level of violence at any age means there is something wrong with that person and age should never excuse it, especially, like you said, when that age is 14, 4 years from becoming a legal adult, old enough to understand violence. I really hope we can band together to keep him locked up forever.
No just imagine being Jessie in this situation. Knowing that a guy 3 years older than her had not only been obsessed with her but had a picture of her taped to his headboard. Then murdered and slept on top of her 8 year old sister’s body for DAYS. The fact that he was just across the street and could do something like that to a little girl, “scared” or not is absolutely disgusting. And I can only imagine how shocked Jessie was when she found out what had happened. If I were Jessie I know damn well I would’ve pinned the blame on myself and no one deserves any of that.. This is absolutely disgusting..
Yeah that didn't actually happen. The man, Larry and the boy were still on the street so theyd of heard her, I'm sure. Just 3 doors away and josh lived over the road
Seriously! This isn’t the first time she has said this about killers to. Like brah you just took away someone’s life? And ur saying 25 years is unfair xD a life for a life
@@analemos9570 probably bc one of the believed motives was that he had a crush on her. but that doesn’t mean she’d feel guilty and even if she did, it might not be that reason idk
@@analemos9570 it's less that she "should" and more that she Might. survivor's guilt is real. It's technically irrational, because sufferers havent done anything wrong, but that doesn't stop them from mourning and feeling that nagging thought of "why was it them? why did i deserve to live and they didnt?" obviously it's not a matter of whether or not the victim deserved it, because they never do, but that's what it can feel like. I think Blue Green was just saying that they hope Jessie doesn't struggle with that.
The need to quiet the child is like the #1 reason given by those who hurt kids. I can’t fathom it. I’ve raised 5 colicky babies and yes I’ve wished them quiet many times, but as a result of their pain going away.
@@glauvie I have like 4 younger cousins and I can't say that I haven't wished that they were quiet when they were younger but I can't see myself killing a baby to keep it quiet I mean that's just plain psychotic
Obviously normal people wouldn't think like that. I often wish my cousins would just keep quiet but not to the extent of hurting them. That kind of problem solving only comes from an already broken mind. This kid was a mental mess truly. And poor Maddie had to pay for it. Thankfully they caught him and props to his mother. Imagine finding out that your only son is a murderer. Poor woman.
@@the4tierbridge murdering someone and sleeping over their dead body isn’t a mistake. spilling juice is a mistake, murdering someone and sleeping over their dead body isn’t. 14 year olds knows right from wrong.
Wait you're right, I didn't believe her clothes slid off in the first place either there's so much evidence against it but that's just icing on the cake proving his story was bullshit
Here’s the thing- imagine if he was older, smarter, and living on his own. imagine if had never been caught. If he’s like that at 14 imagine him a 34. Even though it’s Extremely sad what happened I’m glad he got cought for because he could’ve been a serial killer tbh
His mother deserves a lot of praise. It’s happened so many times where a mother try’s to defend their son or help them cover up a crime. It must’ve taken a lot of strength to go to the police and turn in her own son knowing what he had done
That’s what I thought until i heard she’s sticking by his side and actively trying to get him out of prison. It’s sad that we have to even praise her for turning in her son.
She doesn't really deserve praise....i mean she's trying to get him out of prison even after she SAW the body under his bed and SAW what her son had done to that child. She'd deserve praise and respect if she were trying to keep him IN prison, but as it is as soon as I heard she was trying to get him out I immediately lost all respect. She saw the evil he did, she FOUND the body for God's sake, but she is still trying to get him out and into the public. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.
@@rainbowshinelove1208 That's easy to say, but it's her son, after all. She still loves him, and she probably wonders every single day of her life why he turned out like that and feels guilty about it. I don't blame her for sticking to her son, but I hope he never gets out.
@@CrazyMazapan the fact is, she SAW what he did to Maddie, but is still trying to get him out of prison. That fact alone makes me not respect her much. It's like she's saying, "yes, he killed her, but he shouldn't be punished for it." In my opinion. If it were my son, I'd spit in his eye and disown him.
the honest pain that 8 YEAR OLD must’ve gone through in the short amount of time. the baseball to the face, the cord choking her, the baseball bat to the head, the multiple stabs… that poor, young girl.
As sick as this looks, I think the motive was to kill Jessie's sister to make her sad, and afrer he helps with the search for her, Jessie might start liking him for that.
It’s sad. I’m kinda glad a lot of the cases don’t have detail as to how they are feeling during it because I can’t even imagine this babies last thoughts and feelings. I hope she went a little faster so she didn’t have to suffer any longer in pain and fear.
That was really hard to hear honestly as it’s not a fact of the case I ever knew about. Since my childhood I believed the watered down version of the story, I guess because our parents wanted to shelter us from the reality of what Maddie went through, so there was a lot of jarring information in this video that really broke my heart.
I totally agree with u but if u were a parent u would love your child regardless of what they did yes u would be disgusted but loving someone unconditionally like a mother to son doesn’t change when they do something that bad.
I personally think trying a child as an adult is a bad call, and I support Not Doing That in general - it's very true that someone can change over the decades to be a completely different person than they used to be, especially when going from childhood to adulthood. Even more to the point, but someone who is actually being punished for their crimes, going to therapy, etc, can be rehabilitated even if they were *originally* a monster. So I wouldn't object to this man's case, and himself, being re-evaluated now. (Although, to be fair, I guess he himself already has been re-evaluated? But he's still in prison, so that says some things.) Mind you, that isn't the same as saying I think this specific criminal should go free, either on the basis of having been wrongfully sentenced or because I think he's genuinely changed. It's more saying that there needs to be room in the system IN GENERAL for criminals to change and be rehabilitated, and eventually be released if/when they are successfully rehabilitated. Obviously people who don't/can't get rehabilitated, who don't comprehend the gravity of their crimes and feel remorse for them, people who are a danger to society still - those people should and indeed need to stay behind bars. The fact that this man has never given a true version of the events that led to/caused Maddie's death - one consistent with the physical evidence - makes me feel that he's not at all sincere in his supposed reform. He's not willing to own up to what really happened or what really motivated him - why? Presumably because it'd make him look worse. That says that he's prioritizing his own welfare, making it *intentionally* impossible for anyone to judge him fully on the true extent of his crime, over justice, the truth, and those who were hurt by his crime. You don't see that level of self-interest in someone who truly wants to make amends. So while I think the legal precedent that put him behind bars without parole was flawed, and should be changed, I don't think the *result* was actually incorrect. (It's the "a broken clock is right twice a day" effect. Sometimes you can get the right answer even when you're using the wrong methods.) If this man is ever going to reform, it doesn't look to me as though it's happened yet, and perhaps it never will. But if he can't even be honest about exactly what he did and why, even after all these years, no one should trust anything else he says, either.
@@theerizzler13 YES! I do not want to be held responsible for raising a child that brutally tortured and murdered an 8 year old. Like I don’t care how this sounds, I don’t want to be connected to him in any way, I would not have unconditional love for him. Especially when he had those fucked up thoughts after and before the murder. I would be on a whole new level of disgust and disappointment
My love for my child if I found out he was a murderer or rapist would immediately end and be changed to hate. Those things aren’t forgivable. Drugs, theft, other things are acceptable and can easily be forgives over time. But something so gruesome like this situation is disgusting. I would still love the thought of my child before he was a murderer, but after the fact he would be dead to me.
@@aleeshamiah936 for sure, on the first video when she discovered the body I paused and prayed that the next words weren't: "His mother needed to find a way to hide this in order to protect her son.". Kudos to her for staying strong through this and knowing to do the right thing!
I agree with everyone above, and I know some would say “you don’t know until you’re in the situation” but most people do know their morals & beliefs and I can truly say I would not support my child after doing something so vile and heinous. I’m glad the mother went to the police immediately without cleaning the crime scene or anything like that. Lots of parents would conceal things.
it pisses me off when parents still victimise their children who have just committed a heinous act. "they're my sweet angel!" your sweet angel murdered an innocent person, SUSAN.
most pet birds are extremely sensitive to smell and changes in air quality so i’m honestly surprised that his birds didn’t begin to die during that time that there was both a decomposing corpse and lots of air fresheners and incense and other scented things in his room
It is disturbing, but VERY common for 14 year olds to crush on females of all ages in the throws of early puberty. Most 14 year old boys, however, would be way too mortified to even mention the attraction, much less act upon it. It's such an uncomfortable feeling for most of them to have feelings they don't understand that they avoid the situations at all costs. The acting upon it is the truly disturbing aspect.
@@cb3514 I mean... when I was in year 10 I thought the year 9s were way too young and like toddlers- I can’t even imagine anyone in my school year at that time having a crush on someone 2 years younger, let alone 3 or 4 - idk this kid was messed up and I’m glad he’s in prison cause he probably would be a danger to not only the clifftons but also the rest of society (especially children)
This case is actually sad. But Eleanor is so good at covering these cases. Also she doesn't put scary music in the background which makes it easier to watch for some ppl.
@Aesthetics with cloudychxrs covered in pt 1 he went back to the house with her to wait for her get the golf balls but im still confused about the timeline
@@MK1vids I think they mean that if they were outside when he hit her with the ball and she was screaming about it, why would nobody have heard her yelling? It's just calling out the bullshit in his story
It might not have been the waterbed leaking, during decomp bodies “melt”, especially when bloat would have been disturbed by the pressure of the waterbed.
hearing that Maddie was still alive even after getting strangled for *fifteen minutes* and being hit with a baseball bat TWICE...horrifying. makes me physically sick.
Agree.. This is more like serial killer tendency.. I feel like he could have tried to remove her body. Keeping it shows a 'power over her' which is common with serial and pedophile cases...
Yup. He wasn’t honest about his pornography usage. I would bet if he was released he would start watching it again and get urges. We shouldn’t as a society take that risk.
The sentence that he received was 100% justifiable. Imprisonment is quite clearly painful for Josh and he should spend every second of his life there! I can’t imagine how Melissa felt discovering poor maddies body under her own sons bed. Truly traumatic
It actually makes me hate how I just feel for everyone and like when she read his letter from 2018 I felt some remorse and I hate it. Because he shouldn’t get a minimum sentence because he took someone’s life forever so his life should be taken but fuck it’s hard not to feel slightly bad
@@Kittendoe I can’t bring myself to feel any sympathy for him but I definitely see what you mean. He might have changed now but it doesn’t change the fact he took a little girls life so brutally without showing remorse at the time and even joining in with the search knowing fine well that she was dead under his bed. Affecting both Maddie’s parents/ sister as well as his own parents. Especially Melissa. I just can’t imagine how his mam felt discovering her body 😭
@@Kittendoe we don’t know if he’s truly changed. He most likely is just saying he’s remorseful to get out of prison. Once he’s released he most likely will start watching horrific porn and get those urges again. They say that when you’re incarcerated you do not age very well. I wouldn’t trust him in society ever again.
@@Kittendoe please do not feel remorse for him. He destroyed more than one life. Maddie’s, above all else. Jessie’s, their parents, his own parents, Maddie’s friends, Maddie’s classmates, every child who knew her or of her, every child in Jacksonville, every parent in Jacksonville. Any type of “change” in his heart can’t take away from the sheer amount of devastation he brought upon the community he lived in.
What an evil human being. Pray he never gets out of jail. Maddie was just an innocent little girl who wanted to just go out to play and have fun. So unfortunate that this happened to her. Rest In Peace Maddie.
Imagine being the mother though. She found out her son was a murderer by finding the body in his room in her house. No person should have to deal with that
Imagine Maddie’s mother, finding out her missing daughter was dead, and across the street under a teenage boys bed for a week. I feel awful for the teens mom. I really do. But poor poor Maddie’s parents.
@@leiafortygin1155 right? That the kid across the street would look them in the face and try to “help them with the search”, they had no idea where she was, when he was lying to their face the whole time and she was only like yards away for that whole week?
@@leiafortygin1155 see I thought that was a given (not being sarcastic or snotty) that woman had to deal with her life being shattered by one of her children being torn away from her in the worst way possible. Then having to unknowingly deal with looking the person who killed your child. The what we have to see is that there are three victims here in order Maddie Maddies family And the boys mum. None of the above should have had to deal with that. I’ve seen dead bodies and they are not nice even the ones that went peacefully.
His initial story sounded like a crock of shite. That poor babygirl, honestly praying for her family's mental and physical wellbeing, I couldn't even fathom devastation.
It makes me sick on how he was sleeping on top of her body... how calm and insane can you be to just casually do that? Sending love to all the family 😔
This reminds me so much of a case in my hometown, a little girl also went on missing her name was Maddie Middleton and was also 8 years old. She was killed by a 15 year old who lived in the same apartment complex that she lived. This happened in 2015 in Santa Cruz, California. It's truly heartbreaking such innocent little girls both with such an amazing spirit. May they both Rest in Peace and I pray that both of their families found comfort and are able to move forward.
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He has no right to be released. Even if he was young he still did that. When you’re 14 you’re young not oblivious.. The fact that he helped the family try makes me nauseous.
Yesss and this would go on for decades, where everytime a girl ever showed any interest in him or he had a crush on them he would start collecting and then murder her.
I listened to one the other day where a 13 year old boy (his name is Paris Bennett) did that to his own sister who was only 4, but it was very slow and horrible for her :c The mother kept visiting him in prison too because she didn't want to lose both her kids.. but imagine being a parent in that situation Y_Y
@@Vexarax My mother lost my brother, and while I obviously feel the grief of losing my brother, the pain of losing a child is insane. I had to watch her go through that. So honestly I can imagine as a mother, losing a child to your other child would probably tear the parents apart. I can't imagine that pain.
@@jazzycat19 I am sorry that you lost your brother, and sorry for your mother for having to experience that pain :c And yes I think it's impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in Paris Bennett's mother's situation. People judge her for still visiting him.. but it's just one of those situations I think that would be impossible to fathom as an outsider looking in :c
@@Alex-cw3rz up until now he hasn’t shown remorse to what he’s done before, he also watched violent porn and child pornography. He shouldn’t be let out into the public at all he’s a danger to society. He robbed the life of an innocent kid he deserves to pay for what he did. She is no longer alive and got to experience anything he is still living and breathing. The least he could do is be in jail for it and even then it’s not nearly close enough to pay for what he did to her.
My heart also goes out to his mother, who not only discovered the decomposing body of the young child, but for also discovering that her son is actually a monster.
Absolutely disgusting to me that him and his family said his sentencing is harsh because they give him life without possibility of parole while he stole that little girls life. She doesn’t get her life because of him but he thinks it’s harsh that he has to be locked away forever??? He shouldn’t get to live his life when he robbed her of her life
@@ThatAstleyFan sexual motives is being horny and not controlling yourself. Alcohol is when you’re on drugs and you can’t control your actions. None are excuses
Gage Williams you don’t deserve a second chance when you take away someone’s chance at life. A lot of people get sexually aroused and that doesn’t mean they go and kill a girl 6 years younger than you?
Jamie Witton I still believe that even though what he did was 100% punishable, I think it Is very hard to control, I remember being 14 it was almost impossible
I keep thinking about the waterbed and how they have heaters. Her being under a heated bed, decomposing probably more rapidly due to heat. Has messed me up.
I can't imagine what Josh's mom is going through after realising her son is a murderer 😭😭 I'm so proud of her for reporting him immediately, it really shows how upstanding she is. It must have been terrifying though
Of course a 14 year old is too young, but if you take in every single detail of things he did, I'm sorry, but that human can never be free in society, like any normal person
@@114Jerycho I’ve seen you comment on a lot of comments like this. I’m genuinely very curious why you think he should get to be free. I completely understand that 14 is a young age. So is 8. He showed a complete lack of empathy multiple different times during and after the murder took place. If you ask me he has a very high likelihood of committing another murder. There are so many serial killers who were imprisoned SEVERAL times and let go, so they continued to murder. If you can’t be 100% sure he will never murder or hurt anyone again, I don’t understand why you would want to let him back into society. And the fact that he wouldn’t write the family a letter of apology because HE wanted them to actually see how “sorry” he is, is ridiculous. That continues to show a lack of remorse. If he was genuinely sorry, then he would apologize to them in whatever form THEY wanted. Because the most important thing is that they get an apology for his actions. But he decided they needed to do it HIS way. In my opinion if someone can treat another human being the way he treated Maddie, they shouldn’t be allowed to be in society. I am just so confused why you would want to defend him. I don’t mean any of this hatefully, I truly am just curious why you think he should’ve been released from prison.
@@mimiwilliams7999 I agree that what he's done is absolutely awful and I agree that he should be in prison. Btw, I don't know if he was sent to a real jail or some sort of a jail for youth, or a juvie, though I can't imagine a 14 yo in prison with adults. Anyway I think it's ridiculous to send a 14 yo to spend the rest of his life in prison, just because he's not fully developed at that age. People say he knew exactly what he was doing, that he wasn't a child, but he was and the fact that he decided to do it and didn't stop himself (however gross it is) doesn't mean he knew the consequences or the gravity of his actions. Try to put it into perspective and imagine a 14 yo girl murdered by a 20 yo (same age difference as in this case), you'd say a child was murdered with the whole life ahead of them. I just don't think you should ever take full responsibility for what you do when you're 14. I've done some dumb things when I was 14, I feel like I'm a totally different person now. Why are there even any laws protecting minors if they can be treated like adults anyway? If a 14 yo is able to comprehend sexual matters, why is the age of consent 18, not 14? Same with drinking alcohol, that's just stupid that you're way to young to consent to sex or drink, but you're not too young to be sentenced to life. Also, I don't think you can be 100% sure of anyone that they wouldn't hurt or kill someone, there's a lot of "bad" people out there. And to be clear, I think he should be locked up, ideally with some psychiatric help, just not for the rest of his life. And I'm not American, so that might also affect my judgement, since American sentences seem to be way harsher than the European ones.
@@114Jerycho Well, as someone who just turned 14, I can tell you 100% I KNOW the consequences that would come with killing a little girl who had her life ahead of her. You wouldn't be saying that if Maddie was your own child, that's for damn sure
I'm so glad Sheila reached out to Melissa. What a beautiful gesture of humanity and grace. I hope Maddie's family finds peace and happiness in their future.
i'm glad he got the life sentence tbh. his actions scream repeat offender. at fourteen he didn't _just_ murder somebody - he also consumed cp, broke into houses, and was seemingly obsessed with an eleven year old girl. that isn't somebody that i want out in the public. at fourteen years old he was capable of so much evil, imagine the things he could do now.
heyo, just on the idea that "hes only 14, his brain isnt fully developed" i cant speak for everyone, but im 14 and have pretty bad autism/adhd and even i know that murder is extremely severe and not okay.
I’m also 14 and I know that objectively there are circumstances in which every human on the planet would commit murder. That’s the nature of humanity, humans are irrational *apes* that can’t even fully grasp the size of our planet. You could be a murderer, you’re capable of rape, you could ruin someone’s life beyond repair out of spite. You are not exempt from sin, you aren’t “a good person” and you need to keep things like this in mind or else it could be you that ends someone’s life prematurely.
@@kn1ght-788 nature and nurture can factor into making a person a murderer but holy dude we aren’t irrational apes,we have the ability to make every decision consciously, you sound kinda concerning.
I think that a hero in the story is Josh’s mom, she knew that if she went to police with what she found, even though it was a right thing to do, she was condemning her own son to prison for his life, and she did it anyway because it was the right thing. I don’t know if many could be that strong. I bet she has a hard time dealing with that and I feel for her.
Well it seems like she regrets her decision now. I’m glad she acted when she did and didn’t have time to think about it, because she probably would’ve helped him and his dad to cover it up. I don’t feel sorry for her anymore
@@learnnailswithme7041 that doesn’t help in the grand scheme of things tho. personally i’d much rather spend money on preventing others to become like this than just on killing them for some sort of revenge
@@learnnailswithme7041 yes to the first sentence and no to the second. If we as society retain murder as unacceptable, we shouldn't give an exclusive right to kill to anyone in the society. I guess my point is we should stop at military and law enforcement level with the right to kill and even then it must be HEAVILY regulated. Please don't let the rage for these murders make you give up your freedoms as a citizen. If I can't kill anyone, then neither the government must have such a right.
@@learnnailswithme7041 honestly i think therapy should be free to everyone and sexual violence should be addressed early on in schools. those two things are good preventative methods. in terms of punishment, i think people who commit petty crime should be rehabilitated and not treated like animals. And in cases of sexual violence, domestic abuse, murder, pedophilia etc, sentences should be very very long.
I still can't process the fact that he SLEPT on top of her body
Thats so disgusting to think, i honestly dont know how he could do that
I hope he is NEVER released from prison.
@@awkward_much that’s not what psychotic means
how did he even sleep I mean, I'd be terrified being in the same room with a dead person (all respect for the victim)
Ikr I can’t stop thinking abt how he just slept on top of his victims body for a week josh is truly disgusting
I don't want to even imagine how jessie felt when she learned everything
Ikr
@@lydiakiousi7946 prolly not
Yeah, it's incredibly painful to think about how much she probably internalises as being her fault.
I just hope she knows its not her fault.
@@niiskuneidin6546 honestly he probably would of. If he couldn’t get maddy then he would’ve taken his frustrations out on someone or something else
The fact that there’s even a tiny chance that Maddie was still alive after the second time he put her under his bed is absolutely heartbreaking. I watch a LOT of true crime but this one got to me.
Such a horrible way to die
@@someonesecret7645 the only thing that consoles me is that if she was already in the point of no return... she would lose the ability to think, the would just... stay there, till her heart stopped.
@@winglessbat yeah, when you hear agonal breathing they’re usually already gone
I remember when they were alerting people that she went missing on the news. I followed the news only to find out she was dead. So heartbreaking.
Poor girl… that really broke my heart
I love that his mother ran immediately to the family and told everything instead of covering for her son, much respect for her
Ya but how did she not ever.notice he had Jessie's picture on his headboard and just allowed to crush on an 11 yr old and stay home alone after breaking into to their house?? I feel they have some to blame in not handling their sicko kid.
@@mizzlynzz how do we know that photo was on visible place?
How do we know that they even knew about it?
I'm not defending them or anything, it's just we don't have exact details about everything.
@@mizzlynzz I was a very sneaky 14 year old, even though my mom was very involved in what I was doing, I got up to tons of things she had no clue about. They probably weren't perfect parents but his mom did the right thing. As a mother myself I think it would be a very hard position to be in.
@@mizzlynzz the picture wasn't obvious, as eleanor said, it was on his headboard BEHIND pillows
That isnt really a parent tho, they should of covered for him.
I honestly just feel especially bad for his mom imagine just going to clean ur sons room and instead finding a body
Exactly what I was thinking. Then to realize he was the one responsible for her death.
So very true
And then she had to report her own child. I’d imagine she debated what to do for at least a moment. Has to be an awful feeling to report your own kid. Or even how she feels towards him now. And that’s he only kid... it’s loss. Not the same loss as Maddie’s mom, but still a sort of loss
Especially the body of your missing 8 year old neighbor.
Same, imagine finding out ur son is a cold blood murderer. That must be terrible, but i can't necessarily feel bad with my whole heart, i couldn't imagine what the other family feels. To loose a their child. To find out ur child is literally a few houses down under sum perverted 14 year olds bed.
i’m 14 and can not imagine having a crush on an 11 year old. that’s literally so weird. there’s such a huge maturity gap in 3 years at that age.
My dumbass thought 14-3=6 💀
You’re incredibly mature for a 14 year old:0
i feel like it could be considered ehhhh but like when its a SEXUAL crush its like uhhhh bro. bro stop.
F0R3SK1N PL4YZ yeah definitely, the kid was clearly messed up tho lol
@@mali7351 frfr
Regardless of the fact that his brain wasn't fully developed, a 14 year old knows not to strangle someone, not to hit someone over the head with a bat and not to stab anyone.
I agree - by 14 I’m pretty sure everyone supposed to understand that murdering others is bad - very bad... :/
He probably had a lot of problems in the psychology department. He is either really evil or really horribly sick up there. Either way he's done a horrible thing
It was awful, but life in prison with no parole? At 14? Maybe parole after 20-30 years and it was a terrible thing but I’m not sure how I feel about it.
natalie louise his victim doesn’t get to have a life, neither does he. Sounds fair. He knew better.
@@natinthehat7700 Like mentioned, he had multiple times to prevent her death, but he didn't. Not to mention the fact there was a potential sexual assault case before the murder. He's lucky he
avoided the death sentence. She didn't deserve to die, and he doesn't deserve to be free, knowing that he took an innocent girls life.
“Life without parole is too harsh for a 14 year old” yeah well I think brutal molestation and murder is probably MORE harsh for an 8 year old...
Period.
if he can do that as a child, i don't wanna know what he can do as an adult
YES! Well said I agree 100%
Wait does she say that or is that what other people say?
@@Eric-rj2wh his parents said so
“Even though he was only 14, it was decided he was going to be tried as an adult” OOOOO I love this song
i’m really diggin the beat😁
My favorite part is "he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole" it's the BEST
@@miloknoke4256 that part hit different ngl 🥰🥰
turn that shit UPPPP
I mean it WAS a very adult crime if he sexually assaulted her.
Millions of boys make it through their teen years with underdeveloped brains being rejected by crushes and don't murder anyone. Life is too good for him.
Thank you! It’s an absolute bullshit excuse.
Exactly!
its pretty much a part of teenage years yk getting rejected
@@maplemation1564 fr, people who get all salty and petty because of that disgust me, we have all been rejected, obviously some rejections go to far and are hurtful, but jeez
True true, rejection is part of life whether it's with your crush, work, or anything. Thank you for pointing this out :)
Boy breaks in and vandalized a home, some time later a little girl, who lived in that house, goes missing... no one even considers him a suspect. Why?
Exactly
Exactly what I thought, and if she disappeared in a 3 house radius they should have searched every house on the street if they could
Maybe they thought he was too young for something like that? It's really surreal thinking about a 14 year old abducting a child
I think they didn't know until they found the photo in his room after the murder that it could've been him (was listening to this while working though so might have not heard all the info).
Child killers are pretty rare. I know he is 14, but that is still quite young. People rarely look at minors when it comes to murder suspects, unless they are directly involved in the case
I think it’s actually creepier that he’s so well behaved in prison than it would be if he was really troublesome. Because he was well behaved before he did this too.
exactly. he's a psychopath, he can fake emotion so easily. He doesn't feel real emotion he just fakes it, like he did when he was 14. You can't murder someone so gruesomely at such a young age, feel no remorse and then 'change' years later. it doesn't work like that, he should never ever be let out he is a danger to society
I have heard from people who have left prison that people who commit the crimes that he has done normally are , they just seem to be normal people , but their not really normal their sick humans.Think of the statistic where if your raped it's most likely going to be someone you know. That's because they always apear to be normal people and in most cases no one would have ever expected it from them but deep down their sick individuals.
Actually no. They passing that ace around. Who his lil self gonna fight? He had Best be good
He's well behaved because the type of victim he'd go after is not available for him. Also some type of criminals apparently benefit from the routine that prison life offers.
@@rhianacraig7320 omg ,thats what
He should never get out. The fact that he had several chances to spare her life but also slept on top of her body and joined searches? Keep his ass over there in jail forever.
Right? He couldn’t even fess up afterwards, tell the parents where their child was. They were so panicked and stressed, and he knew where she was the whole time.
He also kept her missing persons photo
CP watching as a 14 years old? Imagine him out there at age 20. Stay in jail, please.
And yet here he is apparently prospering in jail, having friendships and doing things to make himself happy. He doesn’t even deserve that much.
@@jocelynsandoval9385 honestly that bothers me the most.
Maybe I sort of understand killing her because he molested her or because he was just an evil child. And the body under the bed was just a child trying to cover up a crime.
But keeping the poster? Was he relishing in his crime? Was he proud of it? Would he do it again if he’d gotten away with it?
When I was 14 I don’t think I would have gone out of my way to play with an 8 year old neighbor, let alone have an infatuation with someone who’s 11. Very odd.
That is odd, I am 15 and I have never wanted to play with anyone more than a year younger than me and I have never had a crush on someone who is more than 8 months younger than me.
Yeah. Like, if I was 11 I could see crushing on a 14 y/o. But not the other way around. At 14 you’re about to graduate middle school, at 11 you’re graduating 5th grade... no 14 year old would be crushing on an elementary schooler...
I was 8 and played with a 14 yr old but we lived next door to each other and our brothers were friends and my sister was dating one of her other brothers
@@BlueGeen CREEP ALERT.
same, every teenager doesnt even want to be seen with younger friends
Finally I can know what was on his headboard.
HAHAAH LITERALLY
Same
Lol! 😂 same
a picture of the sister 😱😱😱
lol actually tho! 😂
“he feels very remorseful and very guilty” i don’t believe that. he’s not sorry for what he did, he’s sorry that he got caught.
rest in peace sweet Maddie
I'm sure you know better than actual psychiatrists and psychologists that are working with him regularly.
@@AK-fr5zv Right?! youtube comments think they know better than medical professionals sometimes its insane . The physciatrists probably know more than we do ans that information isnt online for people to see so for people to just assume things off of limited info on this case ..
@@nana8144 To be fair, most of that information is available on the internet, probably all! At least what you'd need to become a psychiatrist or a psychologist, not what the patient told their doctors - that's confidential unless it constitutes imminent threat to human life - patient's or otherwise. What isn't available is rigorous testing to ensure that information is fully understood and actionable by the reader, nor the stringent ethic guidelines associated with such delicate work. There are mountains of information a patient gives during every hour of assessment and therapy that we don't (and can't) have access too - any psychiatrist and psychologist worth their salt knows that and won't sully their craft by jumping to their conclusion. The only people that do are the ones that spent a couple afternoons reading the basics and suddenly think that's as good as a periodically retested medical license and passing ethics committees!
Apparently he hasn’t changed his story either, he’s still going with the same one he gave them when it all happened, which I think really just says enough
i’m halfway through- and i’m so disgusted, she was 8 years old. poor baby :/
Same I'm halfway through too
i guess the halfway transition is a good place to stop and look at the comments because here i am too! poor sweetie Maddie. injustices to children hurt me to my core.
I’m struggling to watch this one poor baby girl 🥺 heart is breaking
Same. Seriously halfway through I felt disgusted and unsettled that I took a phone call to take a small break from this one. This case is so sad.
I wrote a current events report about the when I was in middle school. This is one of the first cases I heard that got me into true crime. So sad may she rest in peace. I hope his sentence continues to be upheld.
one of the joys i felt while listening was when eleanor said that they went to his school and arrested him there. ah, the shame, he deserves every bit of humiliation he gets. i could imagine his classmates being completely disgusted with him, it's wonderful.
@Lainey Quinn He might have even being proud given his personality! 🤔
@Lainey Quinn you're right, and that's sad. still though, his reputation is completely ruined; his classmates and his teachers are all revolted by him and while he isn't affected, I think it's good that they finally realized what type of person he is 😌
They likely wouldn’t have arrested him in front of other kids. They would have probably called him into the office and arrest him in private so that it’s safer Incase he resists arrest and it also doesn’t disturb the other kids.
@@jessieqk12 you’re right but the other kids would definitely find out what he did and why he was called into the office
and cops state what you are being arrested for. so shouting at the whole class "you're under arrest for the murder of Maddie Clifton" would be so satisfying
Who’s to say his obsession with her sister ever ended??? I would not want him released knowing he had my photo on his headboard and murdered my sister because of his infatuation?! Hell no
i feel like Josh may of been obsessed with Jessie and wanted have sex with her or something, they look very alike. Josh wanted Jessie but Jessie didn’t like Josh because Josh is older, Josh is trying so hard to have sex with Jessie so he takes Maddie so that he can think it’s Jessie. And the fact he had a picture of Jessie on his headboard is fucking disturbing. I fully believe that Josh sexually assaulted her, freaked out so killed her.
@@laceym9148 Yeah same here. Her body was already decomposing and you cant always see the signs of rape from what I recall hearing. Unless he tried or attempted to, and didnt succeed, she probably freaked out and he then had to kill her
@@laceym9148 well in his mind had to kill her. In my mind he is disgusting and should rot in a cell and didnt need to kill her. He could have just left her the hell alone 😤
Yes absolutely!
Fr
So glad that everyone agrees that at 13/14 they would never see or think of an 11yo in a romantic light.
when i was 11 there was this 14 year old boy who really liked me and told me repeatedly, if i hadnt rejected him i think we wouldve taken advantage of me
@@sandrapd3247 when I was 11, a boy who was 17 to 18 would constantly tell me he loved me, he livid down the street, and we "dated" for a while, I didnt understand what was wrong with it, until my parents found out, but all the people who came to know about it, said it wasnt wrong, cause he wasnt 18 yet...
yeah, it's gross tbh
@@larag3747 that’s so messed up, i’m so sorry you went through that. Literally an almost adult liking a small child. How could anyone excuse that?
true im 13 and I would never see a 11yr old in that way, like thats a litteraly child. bruh
God. Imagine only having one kid and they turn out like *this*.
It’s so scary thinking about having a kid and they could be like this, or be horrifically killed.. it’s so so scary.. I’ve been watching so many true crimes and it’s all so scary to be in this world, and to bring up a child and not know someone who looks so innocent could kill you or someone you love. It’s terrifying
*this*
That’s why I don’t want kids.
You would blame yourself so much about the way you raised them and what you did wrong to make them this way. It’s terrifying to think your child could end up like this.
@@ynesmclain9757 agreed. I plan to be an adoptive parent to older children because they're the ones that get overlooked and wind up in the system until they're booted out at 18. I'm so fucking scared because I have no idea what's going to happen, because some of those kids will be troubled and I know it's going to be hard, but the fear comes from not knowing who's troubled because they're lacking proper support, who's troubled because they're traumatised or have a disability that's undiagnosed and who's troubled because they've got a troubling nature that may end dangerous.
he slept on top of her dead body... for days... he should never be out of prison
yep
how could you even sleep knowing you are lying on a dead body of a CHILD that you had murdered...its so disturbing. He should not be let out of prison.
@@mayamcevoy3920 honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he got off on it.
Tbh I think he slept on it bc he didn’t know where else to put it.
@@mayamcevoy3920 exactly, I don't care if he was only 14 he deserves to rot in hell
The trauma his mother went through, finding that body. And she was naked, so his mom knew exactly what he had done immediately. It's sickening. I'm also torn on the whole "their brain hasn't fully developed so they shouldn't get life in prison" argument. Because at 14, your brain has developed enough to comprehend the severity of murdering another person. And it might be different if he had started crying and called someone right after the murder, but he kept her poster, he slept on her body... that's a level of psychopathy that doesn't get explained away with "but he's just 14."
As a 13 y/o I will say, agree especially if you’re Nurotypical
I turned fifteen last week and could never imagine doing something like this. It is unbelievably disgusting to think about what that boy did.
He clearly had a lot more problems than being only 14. Disgusting really.
Huh? ‘and she was naked, so his mom knew exactly what he had done immediately’ isn’t relevant at all because he actually DIDN’T sexually assault her???? He killed her. The corpse makes that obvious. Her being naked isn’t an indication of anything but sexual assault, which wasn’t the case??? Am I missing something lmao 🥴🥴
@@Emilyfrst Yes, his mom knew that she hadn’t just accidentally died and he hid her body. I think a parent would want to find the excuse that exonerates their child. “Oh maybe he didn’t murder her and it was an accident but he was afraid he would get into trouble so he hid her.” But she must have known instantly that that wasn’t the case. Clothes don’t just fall off magically. The moment she saw that body she knew 1) he killed her and 2) it was sexually motivated.
the fact he SLEPT on top of Maddie's poor body is just revolting. He also had the nerve to "help out" in the case he caused is heart wrenching from the bottom of my heart it goes out to the Clifton family.
A 14 year old having a crush on an 11 year old is a red flag. That boy was going to be problematic and since he's taken the life of a sweet innocent girl, he can stay rotting in prison.
like in your teen years 3 year gap is alot, as an adult not really but as a child the maturity gap that's a MASSIVE red flag
@@cyclone1274 At the age of 14 going after someone that much younger than you is bad.
@@MadDisaster ik thats what i was saying, sorry if it wasnt clear
@@cyclone1274 exactly when someone’s an adult 3 years isn’t a lot but when they’re still a freaking child it’s not normal and it’s definitely wrong
At that age yes, but mid 20s no
If he can’t admit what really happened after all these years and he’s sticking to his bullshit story than did he even really learn
EXACTLY, thank you ☺
He clearly tried sexually assaulting her that's why she was crying and wouldn't stop, that's when he knew he was in trouble and killed her..he deserves life still can't admit the truth, he hasn't changed..his only sorry for himself 😠
@@bambino920 retweet
Exactly. He hasn't come to terms with what he's done if he still views it that way
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the age gap of 11 and 14 is so upsetting to me, my brother is 14 and if he even LOOKED at an 11 yr old we would throw hands
AGREE, im 14 and thats such a gross age gap.
I totally agree at 14 that age gap is gross. A 3 year age gap when your in your 20’s isn’t weird but when your a kid your still developed and your body is still changing. It’s just gross
lmao, I don't even think about liking a kid that's literally 1 year younger than me I feel like they're a baby after finding out they're younger than me.
but if you think about it it isn't THAT bad like if he's a teenager and she a kid like yeah that's disgusting but if they're both teens/adults like its pretty normal
Idk if I'm saying this bc my parents have a 6 year age gap but yeah
@@sxrah5511 a big age gap is okay if it’s like 30 and 36 but when it’s 11 and 14 those are just two different maturity levels ya know?
Even as a 13 y/o I can't imagine having a crush on an 11 y/o. Its so nasty. I hate this whole case so much. How can you be so disgusting at such a young age
fr i feel like vomiting just thinking abt it.
fr as a 13 y/o I find it weird that people try to defend it by saying “oh it’s only a 3 year difference” even if it was okay WHICH ITS NOT the dude broke into their house vandalized it and stole a picture of maddie but nobody surprisingly found that weird?
Same I couldn’t see myself having a crush on anyone outside of my grade
@@whizher4887 when your young and at that age yeah 11 and 13 is extremely and grossily weird. When ur more mature though and an adult and legal around 20 ish then a 3 year age difference is fine.
As a 14 year old I can barely imagine even talking to an 11 year old, they're basically elementary schoolers and I'm going into high school-
Cases that involve children are so sad. How can someone hurt another human that's innocent and defenseless, so cruel
also I think he tried to asult her but she didn't want it so he killed her that
Those people aren't mentally well. They don't think the same way you do.
@@Klearith some of the people who commit murder have nothing mentally wrong with them, it just proves that literally anyone is capable of something so horrendous
@@Klearith i know but it doesn't make it less cruel
@@flora4743 I'm aware, but you asked how someone could do that
@@TheeEnglishKnight maybe not a diagnosis or something they're aware of, but in that specific moment they may not be processing what's going on.
His brain isn't fully developed to serve a life term in prison but its developed enough to plan, execute and try cover up a murder that he knew was wrong, makes sense 0%
and sleep above the dead body of an eight-year-old he just killed..
As well as never have any apparent guilt over it at the time. There were multiple times he could have stopped. Some killers feel guilty and break down, confess, or try to get caught. The fact his behavior didn't change at all (except for trying to cover up the smell of the body) is chilling. It's not like people noticed a change in his personality...nope, he just handed out posters and went to school as normal.
YES!!! THIS. Sort of what I commented.
He put her body under a water bed. I don’t think he planned this at all. Still deserved to be in jail.
If he was so scared of his father why wasn’t he scared to break the rules and play with Maddie when he didn’t have permission?
SAME THING I SAID!!!!!
As a kid, I was terrified of one of my parents. Due to that I was a very sneaky Teen and got into some trouble. HOWEVER, never once did taking a beautiful life away from anyone let alone an 8-year-old girl cross my mind:( poor baby girl
FACTS
It was probably it was a sneaky way to rebel.
I think it was just a cover up honestly
My question is. How was he not a suspect from the beginning? He literally broke into the house and was found in the older sisters BEDROOM. He was literally BANNED from playing with them🤦♀️ thinking of that poor innocent girl suffering in pain under his bed just breaks my heart
I thought this too. He should have been on the radar before.
I think cuz if the victim have been Jessie they would have went after josh first
Exactly what I thought
I think it was probably because he was just a child and you don’t want to think or it doesn’t even occur to you that children could commit such evil as to kidnap another child
@@ineedanap3215 and the fact that it was Maddie, not Jessie.
Hi Elenor!
Canada’s largest mass shooting is coming up on a 1 year since mark, it happened in Nova Scotia. The attacker had a mock cop car and uniform, everything and 23 died.
It’s a long story but it deserves more coverage!
Yes from Ontario and haven't heard anything about this case . A lot of mistakes made and Canadains deserve the truth .
I heard about that case but I never really looked to much into it, but would like to 🌟
As a fellow Canadian yes! The way the authorities so miserably dealt with this still blows my mind.
Spell her name right ✨
I'm from NZ and it's quite of awful to think we are assumed to be such a peaceful country, but we have 2 mass shootings both much larger than the largest one in Canada which has _millions_ more people than NZ (we only just reached a population of 5 million in our entire country!). The first was a POW camp where 49 prisoners were massacred, and the second is more widely known (I don't want my comment hidden so I won't use specific wording) where 51 people died. It's so horrible that certain weapons put so much power over life and death into the hands of certain deranged individuals :c
I'm sorry, but this guy was watching CP as a 14 year old, had an obsession with a younger girl (that even the parents of said girl found wrong), lured a girl into his house to sexually assault her, tried to murder her 2 in painful ways, then continuously lied about it and tried to throw his dad under the bus.
Even if he "now feels bad", I don't think he should ever be released. I think he's a threat to children.
exactly what I was thinking
Yes. Plus i doubt he actually feels anything. I mean he was part of the search team looking for her, while he murdered her and slept with her body under his bed. There is no was a guy like that has any real emotions of pain and guilt. He’s most probably just sad he got caught.
I also get a bit annoyed at maddy's parents...like after see that break in and stapple the furniture and the other day finding him at the girl's room without even being invited to the house?? i wouldn't get over that thinking 'it's just a kid, nothing will happen' but would be terrified of him even living close to my daughters (not much they could do at that point anyway but still....
I left a longer comment on Part One, but thank you so so much for covering this. As a classmate of Maddie’s, I’ve suggested this case to other UA-camrs because the murderer has been trying to get out of jail, and I knew if more people knew about the case, more people would know he doesn’t deserve to get out and would help support keeping him in jail for life. So thank you. I’m so glad seeing all the comments saying he is a monster that doesn’t deserve to get out. You are all right and I’m glad everyone knows about poor Maddie so we can all keep this disgusting person in jail.
So sorry to hear that you were a classmate of maddies and you had to injure such a loss in such a brutal way at such a young age. Hopefully now that maddies case is getting the coverage it deserves, he will not ever get out of prison and no one else will get hurt by this horrible boy.
@@lilyneilson4706 thank you so much, Lily. I wasn’t nearly as scarred by this as some other people I know, like my friend who was Maddie’s incredibly close friend and neighbor, but it’s still not something you come out of unscathed as a child (or even an adult). My mother could never properly explain it to me because really how could you? So I know anyone who went to school, camp, lived on the same street with Maddie also cannot forget her face or her story because it took many years for the children impacted by her loss to even comprehend why (and how) she had left us in the first place. For my friend and Maddie’s other friends and family I am really glad this is getting attention in the right way (people rallying to keep the murderer behind bars and not weird sensationalism that takes advantage of the story). So thank you for caring about Maddie and our community and thank you for your kind words 💜
my deepest apologies for your loss. i remember just hearing about this case as a kid, feeling horrible, traumatized, and just wanting to be her friend. i can't imagine having known her in person. hopefully the universe works things out the way it should and keep him in prison.
@@camerondundale811 i will lose all hope in humanity if the murderer gets out, what he did was horrific and nothing justifies it. many believe that him only being young when he did it provides an excuse for his actions however being 14 myself, i am fully aware of what im doing, he wasn’t 4, he was 14 and he is evil. im so sorry that he did that to your friend.
@@ellaniamh2458 thank you 💜 I wasn’t super close with Maddie, my friends were much closer, but I’m grateful for your care directed at the people who knew her. It’s really common for adults to infantilize teens so I think people your age coming out and saying “hey I’m that age and I wouldn’t do that” is really important. Committing that level of violence at any age means there is something wrong with that person and age should never excuse it, especially, like you said, when that age is 14, 4 years from becoming a legal adult, old enough to understand violence. I really hope we can band together to keep him locked up forever.
No just imagine being Jessie in this situation. Knowing that a guy 3 years older than her had not only been obsessed with her but had a picture of her taped to his headboard. Then murdered and slept on top of her 8 year old sister’s body for DAYS. The fact that he was just across the street and could do something like that to a little girl, “scared” or not is absolutely disgusting. And I can only imagine how shocked Jessie was when she found out what had happened. If I were Jessie I know damn well I would’ve pinned the blame on myself and no one deserves any of that.. This is absolutely disgusting..
I think a lot of people’s lives had been saved by putting him in jail.
But the fact hes being realeased
@@brenny000 when?
@@brenny000 when :o?
@@brenny000 CAP 🧢
@@brenny000 hes trying but was denied 4 times already iirc
“oh no she’s crying, that would get me in trouble! let me kill her instead”??
sir, that story is less credible than the daily mail..
Thus underlining the fact that he was a child with no real understanding of the situation
Idk man it seems like completely flawless logic to me 🤡
@@stoppit9 um no that plus the autopsy results just proves that he was lying.
YEP I WAS THINKING THAT
Yeah that didn't actually happen. The man, Larry and the boy were still on the street so theyd of heard her, I'm sure. Just 3 doors away and josh lived over the road
"Life with no parole's too harsh." Well, so's murder.
Well said
@@stellar783 Thank you.
Spot on!
@@user-uh4lb1yv2f Thanks.
Facts
The fact that she fought to survive in pain for so long, my heart literally broke
Honestly if he hadn’t been caught imagine what he would of done to Maddie’s sister
Me to, he deserves to rot away in jail for the rest of this life... I am so glad that he couldn't have gotten anybody else
I feel so bad for her sister. Ugh, ultimate creep factor.
Nothing ? For the longest he hadn’t been “caught”
Oh my goodness.. you're right.. what if he would have done the same thing to Maddie's sister..
@@XxCOOKEExxMONSTARxX well police was around her 24/7 so he didn't get a chance to do anything
“The sentence is to harsh” Yeah and u know what is worse? Dying and not being allowed to grow up.
F him.
At that age...he knew
Exactly he doesn’t deserve to ever be let into society
Seriously! This isn’t the first time she has said this about killers to. Like brah you just took away someone’s life? And ur saying 25 years is unfair xD a life for a life
@@TheOtherSideOfAlice did she say the sentence is to harsh?
I feel so bad for Jessie, I hope she doesn’t somehow feel guilty for this.
why should she?
@@analemos9570 probably bc one of the believed motives was that he had a crush on her. but that doesn’t mean she’d feel guilty and even if she did, it might not be that reason idk
@@analemos9570 it's less that she "should" and more that she Might. survivor's guilt is real. It's technically irrational, because sufferers havent done anything wrong, but that doesn't stop them from mourning and feeling that nagging thought of "why was it them? why did i deserve to live and they didnt?"
obviously it's not a matter of whether or not the victim deserved it, because they never do, but that's what it can feel like. I think Blue Green was just saying that they hope Jessie doesn't struggle with that.
I’m so thankful the parents turned josh in instead of trying to help him hide it like some parents would
Child cries.
Proceeds to hurt the child to stop the child crying?!
I......
The need to quiet the child is like the #1 reason given by those who hurt kids. I can’t fathom it. I’ve raised 5 colicky babies and yes I’ve wished them quiet many times, but as a result of their pain going away.
@@glauvie I have like 4 younger cousins and I can't say that I haven't wished that they were quiet when they were younger but I can't see myself killing a baby to keep it quiet I mean that's just plain psychotic
That was my parents way of handling things.
Sadly that is most common that one would think, truly disgusting behavior
Obviously normal people wouldn't think like that. I often wish my cousins would just keep quiet but not to the extent of hurting them. That kind of problem solving only comes from an already broken mind. This kid was a mental mess truly. And poor Maddie had to pay for it. Thankfully they caught him and props to his mother. Imagine finding out that your only son is a murderer. Poor woman.
i don’t care about how “changed” he is. he shouldn’t be let out
AGREE. bc of the cooling of period he had I feel like he shouldn't get let out. I reckon they'll give him a lesser sentence tho :(
But Elena didn't you hear, he's a Buddhist now 😂 👎🏻
funny how they all change after murdering someone
@@seasyrenn ok, AND? People change! Acting like cause you killed someone you can't feel remorse is just ignorant.
@@the4tierbridge murdering someone and sleeping over their dead body isn’t a mistake. spilling juice is a mistake, murdering someone and sleeping over their dead body isn’t. 14 year olds knows right from wrong.
I really don’t believe that her clothes slid off but if he’s claiming they did how did her shorts roll down but her top roll up?
Wait you're right, I didn't believe her clothes slid off in the first place either there's so much evidence against it but that's just icing on the cake proving his story was bullshit
IKR? She was not dressed in a sack like???? Even if she was in a dress, it made no sense!
Even if he pulled her by her feet, her pants and undergarments wouldn’t have rolled down
Exactly what I was thinking
Thats what I was thinking???
Imagine how guilty Jessie must’ve felt when she found out about Josh and his motive and everything. I can’t even imagine..
Here’s the thing- imagine if he was older, smarter, and living on his own. imagine if had never been caught. If he’s like that at 14 imagine him a 34. Even though it’s Extremely sad what happened I’m glad he got cought for because he could’ve been a serial killer tbh
His mother deserves a lot of praise. It’s happened so many times where a mother try’s to defend their son or help them cover up a crime. It must’ve taken a lot of strength to go to the police and turn in her own son knowing what he had done
That’s what I thought until i heard she’s sticking by his side and actively trying to get him out of prison. It’s sad that we have to even praise her for turning in her son.
She doesn't really deserve praise....i mean she's trying to get him out of prison even after she SAW the body under his bed and SAW what her son had done to that child. She'd deserve praise and respect if she were trying to keep him IN prison, but as it is as soon as I heard she was trying to get him out I immediately lost all respect.
She saw the evil he did, she FOUND the body for God's sake, but she is still trying to get him out and into the public. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.
@@rainbowshinelove1208 That's easy to say, but it's her son, after all. She still loves him, and she probably wonders every single day of her life why he turned out like that and feels guilty about it. I don't blame her for sticking to her son, but I hope he never gets out.
@@CrazyMazapan the fact is, she SAW what he did to Maddie, but is still trying to get him out of prison. That fact alone makes me not respect her much. It's like she's saying, "yes, he killed her, but he shouldn't be punished for it." In my opinion.
If it were my son, I'd spit in his eye and disown him.
Nah She Knew He Was A Perv He Broke Into The Girl's House
Who else has been stalking her page all day just waiting for Eleanor to post part 2
YES
Me lol
Imao I've just been waiting for the notifications
me lol
I procrastinated part 1 so I didn't wait too long for part 2 (#lifehacks)
the honest pain that 8 YEAR OLD must’ve gone through in the short amount of time. the baseball to the face, the cord choking her, the baseball bat to the head, the multiple stabs… that poor, young girl.
As sick as this looks, I think the motive was to kill Jessie's sister to make her sad, and afrer he helps with the search for her, Jessie might start liking him for that.
@@ellielol710 they aren't didn't justifying him or the murder, jeez,relax. They're just saying it could be a creepy underline motive for the murder..
Nah there's no proof of that.
@@jackwatson3944 it’s just a theory.
that is an interesting theory omg. so sad
Exactly what I thought. Like he thought he could get closer to her and comfort her maybe making her like him. Which is so fucked up.
when she said that her hand was sticking out of the mattress because she was maybe trying to go out ,, my heart dropped ,, poor baby:(
It’s sad. I’m kinda glad a lot of the cases don’t have detail as to how they are feeling during it because I can’t even imagine this babies last thoughts and feelings. I hope she went a little faster so she didn’t have to suffer any longer in pain and fear.
So sad, my nieces are 8, couldnt possibly imagine this happening to them, poor princess
@@tilly_h9081 I feel you I have a 5 year old little brother
That was really hard to hear honestly as it’s not a fact of the case I ever knew about. Since my childhood I believed the watered down version of the story, I guess because our parents wanted to shelter us from the reality of what Maddie went through, so there was a lot of jarring information in this video that really broke my heart.
It is so sad poor thing must have been terrified
His parents should just accept his fate, let him remain in prison.
I totally agree with u but if u were a parent u would love your child regardless of what they did yes u would be disgusted but loving someone unconditionally like a mother to son doesn’t change when they do something that bad.
I personally think trying a child as an adult is a bad call, and I support Not Doing That in general - it's very true that someone can change over the decades to be a completely different person than they used to be, especially when going from childhood to adulthood. Even more to the point, but someone who is actually being punished for their crimes, going to therapy, etc, can be rehabilitated even if they were *originally* a monster. So I wouldn't object to this man's case, and himself, being re-evaluated now. (Although, to be fair, I guess he himself already has been re-evaluated? But he's still in prison, so that says some things.)
Mind you, that isn't the same as saying I think this specific criminal should go free, either on the basis of having been wrongfully sentenced or because I think he's genuinely changed. It's more saying that there needs to be room in the system IN GENERAL for criminals to change and be rehabilitated, and eventually be released if/when they are successfully rehabilitated. Obviously people who don't/can't get rehabilitated, who don't comprehend the gravity of their crimes and feel remorse for them, people who are a danger to society still - those people should and indeed need to stay behind bars.
The fact that this man has never given a true version of the events that led to/caused Maddie's death - one consistent with the physical evidence - makes me feel that he's not at all sincere in his supposed reform. He's not willing to own up to what really happened or what really motivated him - why? Presumably because it'd make him look worse. That says that he's prioritizing his own welfare, making it *intentionally* impossible for anyone to judge him fully on the true extent of his crime, over justice, the truth, and those who were hurt by his crime. You don't see that level of self-interest in someone who truly wants to make amends.
So while I think the legal precedent that put him behind bars without parole was flawed, and should be changed, I don't think the *result* was actually incorrect. (It's the "a broken clock is right twice a day" effect. Sometimes you can get the right answer even when you're using the wrong methods.) If this man is ever going to reform, it doesn't look to me as though it's happened yet, and perhaps it never will. But if he can't even be honest about exactly what he did and why, even after all these years, no one should trust anything else he says, either.
@@kalayamariie5781 please never have children
@@theerizzler13 YES! I do not want to be held responsible for raising a child that brutally tortured and murdered an 8 year old. Like I don’t care how this sounds, I don’t want to be connected to him in any way, I would not have unconditional love for him. Especially when he had those fucked up thoughts after and before the murder. I would be on a whole new level of disgust and disappointment
My love for my child if I found out he was a murderer or rapist would immediately end and be changed to hate. Those things aren’t forgivable. Drugs, theft, other things are acceptable and can easily be forgives over time. But something so gruesome like this situation is disgusting. I would still love the thought of my child before he was a murderer, but after the fact he would be dead to me.
I'm almost 17 and have been into true crime since I was about 12. I've heard a ton of brutal , awful cases , but this one brought me to tears
The police were right about giving police protection to Maddie’s sister while they were trying to find Maddie
your thing said thirty two years ago and i was just like 👁👄👁 and then i realized it was just your name
@@oliviamoore2849 I have fulfilled my goal, I can die in peace
@@astronautobrien LMAOOO that confused me too
you’ve really been hitting us with the cliffhangers lately
ikr i luv it
smart move
She explained why previously
It is the clifton family 😒 (ik it wasnt funny 😩)
fr it hurts
I said it last time but I can’t even imagine being that boys mother. She did the right thing going to the police. I’d no longer have a son.
I'm so glad she did, some parents are *so* crazy and will protect/stand with their sons no matter what it's disgusting.
@@aleeshamiah936 for sure, on the first video when she discovered the body I paused and prayed that the next words weren't: "His mother needed to find a way to hide this in order to protect her son.". Kudos to her for staying strong through this and knowing to do the right thing!
That takes a strong woman to do that
I agree with everyone above, and I know some would say “you don’t know until you’re in the situation” but most people do know their morals & beliefs and I can truly say I would not support my child after doing something so vile and heinous. I’m glad the mother went to the police immediately without cleaning the crime scene or anything like that. Lots of parents would conceal things.
it pisses me off when parents still victimise their children who have just committed a heinous act. "they're my sweet angel!" your sweet angel murdered an innocent person, SUSAN.
most pet birds are extremely sensitive to smell and changes in air quality so i’m honestly surprised that his birds didn’t begin to die during that time that there was both a decomposing corpse and lots of air fresheners and incense and other scented things in his room
i have 8 and i totally agree, maybe the birds were kicked out?
A 14 year old teenage boy having a crush on a 11 year old little girl is in its self concerning
@@emmalouise7884 that’s not ok😕. I’m 16 and I would never have a crush or show intrest on a 13 year old boy. That’s way to young.
Ikr!! Thats like a year 10 having a crush on a year 7 (9th grader having a crush on a 6th grader)
@@emmalouise7884 thats not ok
It is disturbing, but VERY common for 14 year olds to crush on females of all ages in the throws of early puberty. Most 14 year old boys, however, would be way too mortified to even mention the attraction, much less act upon it. It's such an uncomfortable feeling for most of them to have feelings they don't understand that they avoid the situations at all costs. The acting upon it is the truly disturbing aspect.
@@cb3514 I mean... when I was in year 10 I thought the year 9s were way too young and like toddlers- I can’t even imagine anyone in my school year at that time having a crush on someone 2 years younger, let alone 3 or 4 - idk this kid was messed up and I’m glad he’s in prison cause he probably would be a danger to not only the clifftons but also the rest of society (especially children)
This case is actually sad. But Eleanor is so good at covering these cases. Also she doesn't put scary music in the background which makes it easier to watch for some ppl.
thats so true when I go to other channels that go over cases that put creepy music in the background that puts me off...
I agree completely, the music just makes it tacky in my eyes.
I can never take the video seriously when they have dramatic or sad music over it. It's my biggest peeve.
"They were playing baseball"
Me: wait wasnt she playing golf and getting golf balls-
Thats what I thought!!
SAME I WAS LIKE HOW DID WE GO FROM GOLF TO PLAYING BASE BALL IN A BACKYARD
Same that's literally what i was thinking
I think that was when she was at the other kids house
@Aesthetics with cloudychxrs covered in pt 1 he went back to the house with her to wait for her get the golf balls but im still confused about the timeline
His behavior in prison is so calculated, I don't buy it. He's a threat to society and should remain locked up for life.
RIP MADDIE CLIFTON REST IN PEACE LITTLE ANGEL :(
🙏🏻🕊❤️
she was literally so adorable
@@kaiyajones2430 ya she didn't deserve that
❤️❤️❤️
So sad may she rest in eternal peace.
If Maddie had screamed in pain and was constantly crying like josh said and if they were across the street why didn’t anyone hear her? Hmmmm
My first thought. Obviously kid's story is bogus
My first thought !
Exactly
wait what are you trying to get at
@@MK1vids I think they mean that if they were outside when he hit her with the ball and she was screaming about it, why would nobody have heard her yelling? It's just calling out the bullshit in his story
Imagine if there was never a leak in the waterbed.
the horrible smell of decay would have lured someone in sooner or later
I don't think it was a leak it may have be body juice but it may have be a leak
I HEARD THAT AND THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE WATER
@@brenny000 same
It might not have been the waterbed leaking, during decomp bodies “melt”, especially when bloat would have been disturbed by the pressure of the waterbed.
hearing that Maddie was still alive even after getting strangled for *fifteen minutes* and being hit with a baseball bat TWICE...horrifying. makes me physically sick.
If he could do this as a child, just imagine the harm he can do as an adult.
Agree.. This is more like serial killer tendency.. I feel like he could have tried to remove her body. Keeping it shows a 'power over her' which is common with serial and pedophile cases...
Exactly
"he feels remorse for what happened" then tell the truth about it????? Why can't you confess what actually happened if you're so sorry about it?
Yup. He wasn’t honest about his pornography usage. I would bet if he was released he would start watching it again and get urges. We shouldn’t as a society take that risk.
The sentence that he received was 100% justifiable. Imprisonment is quite clearly painful for Josh and he should spend every second of his life there! I can’t imagine how Melissa felt discovering poor maddies body under her own sons bed. Truly traumatic
It actually makes me hate how I just feel for everyone and like when she read his letter from 2018 I felt some remorse and I hate it. Because he shouldn’t get a minimum sentence because he took someone’s life forever so his life should be taken but fuck it’s hard not to feel slightly bad
@@Kittendoe I can’t bring myself to feel any sympathy for him but I definitely see what you mean. He might have changed now but it doesn’t change the fact he took a little girls life so brutally without showing remorse at the time and even joining in with the search knowing fine well that she was dead under his bed. Affecting both Maddie’s parents/ sister as well as his own parents. Especially Melissa. I just can’t imagine how his mam felt discovering her body 😭
@@Kittendoe we don’t know if he’s truly changed. He most likely is just saying he’s remorseful to get out of prison. Once he’s released he most likely will start watching horrific porn and get those urges again. They say that when you’re incarcerated you do not age very well. I wouldn’t trust him in society ever again.
@@Kittendoe please do not feel remorse for him. He destroyed more than one life. Maddie’s, above all else. Jessie’s, their parents, his own parents, Maddie’s friends, Maddie’s classmates, every child who knew her or of her, every child in Jacksonville, every parent in Jacksonville. Any type of “change” in his heart can’t take away from the sheer amount of devastation he brought upon the community he lived in.
@@camerondundale811 obviously.
What an evil human being. Pray he never gets out of jail. Maddie was just an innocent little girl who wanted to just go out to play and have fun. So unfortunate that this happened to her. Rest In Peace Maddie.
Imagine being the mother though. She found out her son was a murderer by finding the body in his room in her house. No person should have to deal with that
i’d literally be so traumatized
I’d cry and then call my husband / wife and then contact the police
Imagine Maddie’s mother, finding out her missing daughter was dead, and across the street under a teenage boys bed for a week.
I feel awful for the teens mom. I really do. But poor poor Maddie’s parents.
@@leiafortygin1155 right? That the kid across the street would look them in the face and try to “help them with the search”, they had no idea where she was, when he was lying to their face the whole time and she was only like yards away for that whole week?
@@leiafortygin1155 see I thought that was a given (not being sarcastic or snotty) that woman had to deal with her life being shattered by one of her children being torn away from her in the worst way possible. Then having to unknowingly deal with looking the person who killed your child. The what we have to see is that there are three victims here in order
Maddie
Maddies family
And the boys mum.
None of the above should have had to deal with that. I’ve seen dead bodies and they are not nice even the ones that went peacefully.
His initial story sounded like a crock of shite. That poor babygirl, honestly praying for her family's mental and physical wellbeing, I couldn't even fathom devastation.
It makes me sick on how he was sleeping on top of her body... how calm and insane can you be to just casually do that? Sending love to all the family 😔
right? And how fuckin STINKY would that be, how would you even be able to sleep like that just in the literal sense?
This reminds me so much of a case in my hometown, a little girl also went on missing her name was Maddie Middleton and was also 8 years old. She was killed by a 15 year old who lived in the same apartment complex that she lived. This happened in 2015 in Santa Cruz, California. It's truly heartbreaking such innocent little girls both with such an amazing spirit. May they both Rest in Peace and I pray that both of their families found comfort and are able to move forward.
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That's what I've been saying! ❤
I know this comment is old but just to put it out there... UA-cam is basically punishing videos that have 'part' or numbers in the title. Reducing their reach etc. So that's why a lot of UA-camrs have stopped putting part 1 part 2 etc in their video titles. It sucks, but apparently its bc UA-cam wants more original, one-off content :/
@@RaionOwO She could make titles more similar then. Because one part will have the name of the victim and the other one won't.
@@RaionOwO What about just the numbers? Weird algorithm..
Agree!!
uhm the people who are justifying the murder of an 8 year old due to his age in these comments are really weird.
right.... like literally even just a 3 year old understands you shouldn’t murder people
"justifying the murder" what are you going on about, I've not seen a single comment "justifying" it.
@@jackwatson3944 it’s a very small amount luckily, i think most deleted also
@@jackwatson3944 look at the replies to comments, ppl were saying that he doesn’t deserve to go to prison cuz he didn’t have a fully grown brain
A lot of people justify it because "he was abused." Like ok, I was severely abused too but I couldn't even kill a spider. :I
“I’ve been trying to give myself a personality glow up” GIRL SAME
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He has no right to be released. Even if he was young he still did that. When you’re 14 you’re young not oblivious.. The fact that he helped the family try makes me nauseous.
This is so gross to me, I'm glad he was caught because what would he do to her sister? So scary and disturbing
Yesss and this would go on for decades, where everytime a girl ever showed any interest in him or he had a crush on them he would start collecting and then murder her.
Ah can't wait to finish this, its so strange to think of a 14 year old boy doing this to such a gorgeous baby girl
I listened to one the other day where a 13 year old boy (his name is Paris Bennett) did that to his own sister who was only 4, but it was very slow and horrible for her :c The mother kept visiting him in prison too because she didn't want to lose both her kids.. but imagine being a parent in that situation Y_Y
@@Vexarax My mother lost my brother, and while I obviously feel the grief of losing my brother, the pain of losing a child is insane. I had to watch her go through that. So honestly I can imagine as a mother, losing a child to your other child would probably tear the parents apart. I can't imagine that pain.
@@jazzycat19 I am sorry that you lost your brother, and sorry for your mother for having to experience that pain :c And yes I think it's impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in Paris Bennett's mother's situation. People judge her for still visiting him.. but it's just one of those situations I think that would be impossible to fathom as an outsider looking in :c
I just looked it up and I’m correct he’s a diagnosed psychopath. He said he loved his sister but couldn’t describe the feeling of love.
“Ridiculously harsh” yeah so is murdering a child and then hiding the body as if nothing happened
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Not to mention dude also slept on his bed with her under it.
Its ridiculously harsh that an 8 year old girl was robbed of her life by a psychopath
You do realise that's not an argument right? He should be in prison obviously, but for life without parole for a 14 year old is just nonsensical.
@@Alex-cw3rz up until now he hasn’t shown remorse to what he’s done before, he also watched violent porn and child pornography. He shouldn’t be let out into the public at all he’s a danger to society. He robbed the life of an innocent kid he deserves to pay for what he did. She is no longer alive and got to experience anything he is still living and breathing. The least he could do is be in jail for it and even then it’s not nearly close enough to pay for what he did to her.
My heart also goes out to his mother, who not only discovered the decomposing body of the young child, but for also discovering that her son is actually a monster.
Absolutely disgusting to me that him and his family said his sentencing is harsh because they give him life without possibility of parole while he stole that little girls life. She doesn’t get her life because of him but he thinks it’s harsh that he has to be locked away forever??? He shouldn’t get to live his life when he robbed her of her life
Idk I think everyone deserves a second chance and sexual motives can drive guys to crimes just as much as alcohol
@@ThatAstleyFan sexual motives is being horny and not controlling yourself. Alcohol is when you’re on drugs and you can’t control your actions. None are excuses
Gage Williams you don’t deserve a second chance when you take away someone’s chance at life. A lot of people get sexually aroused and that doesn’t mean they go and kill a girl 6 years younger than you?
@@ThatAstleyFan but she will never get a second chance. She will never get to go to middle or high school. Or get a carrer. He has no remorse for her.
Jamie Witton I still believe that even though what he did was 100% punishable, I think it Is very hard to control, I remember being 14 it was almost impossible
I keep thinking about the waterbed and how they have heaters. Her being under a heated bed, decomposing probably more rapidly due to heat. Has messed me up.
Bodies also decompose faster under-water, so it definitely would have decomposed a lot faster than usual
@@nnneeewwwttt7325 she wasn't in the water, just under the mattress. that's how a water bed is.
@@nnneeewwwttt7325 she wasnt underwater though
Okay but can we talk about his mom? I honestly respect her for turning her son to the police instead of covering it, that must have been really hard.
Except she's trying to get him out of prison. That's like saying, "yes I saw what he did to that 8 year old girl, but he shouldn't be in jail for it."
@@rainbowshinelove1208 I watched this video a long time ago, and didn’t remember that part :O
I can't imagine what Josh's mom is going through after realising her son is a murderer 😭😭 I'm so proud of her for reporting him immediately, it really shows how upstanding she is. It must have been terrifying though
I can't imagine how horrible Maddie's last few moments of life were... rest in peace sweet girl.
Well Maddie doesn’t get to live and had a horrible death so why should he get a chance? He’s lucky to be alive! 🙄
agreed
I would LOVE to know what Josh’s classmates had to say about him. There’s no way this dude was just “normal” before this
😂😂😂 I agree 100%
He thinks that he should get the chance to live his life free when he took her life and she never gets that chance? No. He can rot.
something about this case is so horrific. I've heard so many extremely gruesome cases but this just sends a shiver down my spine :(
Of course a 14 year old is too young, but if you take in every single detail of things he did, I'm sorry, but that human can never be free in society, like any normal person
So you don't actually understand he's too young...
@@114Jerycho I’ve seen you comment on a lot of comments like this. I’m genuinely very curious why you think he should get to be free. I completely understand that 14 is a young age. So is 8. He showed a complete lack of empathy multiple different times during and after the murder took place. If you ask me he has a very high likelihood of committing another murder. There are so many serial killers who were imprisoned SEVERAL times and let go, so they continued to murder. If you can’t be 100% sure he will never murder or hurt anyone again, I don’t understand why you would want to let him back into society. And the fact that he wouldn’t write the family a letter of apology because HE wanted them to actually see how “sorry” he is, is ridiculous. That continues to show a lack of remorse. If he was genuinely sorry, then he would apologize to them in whatever form THEY wanted. Because the most important thing is that they get an apology for his actions. But he decided they needed to do it HIS way. In my opinion if someone can treat another human being the way he treated Maddie, they shouldn’t be allowed to be in society. I am just so confused why you would want to defend him. I don’t mean any of this hatefully, I truly am just curious why you think he should’ve been released from prison.
@@mimiwilliams7999 I agree that what he's done is absolutely awful and I agree that he should be in prison. Btw, I don't know if he was sent to a real jail or some sort of a jail for youth, or a juvie, though I can't imagine a 14 yo in prison with adults. Anyway I think it's ridiculous to send a 14 yo to spend the rest of his life in prison, just because he's not fully developed at that age. People say he knew exactly what he was doing, that he wasn't a child, but he was and the fact that he decided to do it and didn't stop himself (however gross it is) doesn't mean he knew the consequences or the gravity of his actions. Try to put it into perspective and imagine a 14 yo girl murdered by a 20 yo (same age difference as in this case), you'd say a child was murdered with the whole life ahead of them. I just don't think you should ever take full responsibility for what you do when you're 14. I've done some dumb things when I was 14, I feel like I'm a totally different person now. Why are there even any laws protecting minors if they can be treated like adults anyway? If a 14 yo is able to comprehend sexual matters, why is the age of consent 18, not 14? Same with drinking alcohol, that's just stupid that you're way to young to consent to sex or drink, but you're not too young to be sentenced to life. Also, I don't think you can be 100% sure of anyone that they wouldn't hurt or kill someone, there's a lot of "bad" people out there. And to be clear, I think he should be locked up, ideally with some psychiatric help, just not for the rest of his life. And I'm not American, so that might also affect my judgement, since American sentences seem to be way harsher than the European ones.
@@114Jerycho Well, as someone who just turned 14, I can tell you 100% I KNOW the consequences that would come with killing a little girl who had her life ahead of her. You wouldn't be saying that if Maddie was your own child, that's for damn sure
@@Gyaaaaaaaaaat69420 and what would you be saying if Josh was your child?
I'm so glad Sheila reached out to Melissa. What a beautiful gesture of humanity and grace. I hope Maddie's family finds peace and happiness in their future.
i'm glad he got the life sentence tbh. his actions scream repeat offender. at fourteen he didn't _just_ murder somebody - he also consumed cp, broke into houses, and was seemingly obsessed with an eleven year old girl. that isn't somebody that i want out in the public. at fourteen years old he was capable of so much evil, imagine the things he could do now.
yup !
heyo, just on the idea that "hes only 14, his brain isnt fully developed" i cant speak for everyone, but im 14 and have pretty bad autism/adhd and even i know that murder is extremely severe and not okay.
off topic but you’re so strong !!
@@user-rk7sz2td9h awh- thank u :]
I’m also 14 and I know that objectively there are circumstances in which every human on the planet would commit murder.
That’s the nature of humanity, humans are irrational *apes* that can’t even fully grasp the size of our planet.
You could be a murderer, you’re capable of rape, you could ruin someone’s life beyond repair out of spite.
You are not exempt from sin, you aren’t “a good person” and you need to keep things like this in mind or else it could be you that ends someone’s life prematurely.
@@kn1ght-788 you’re 14 ? , I’m worried about the safety of others around you 😵💫 why
@@kn1ght-788 nature and nurture can factor into making a person a murderer but holy dude we aren’t irrational apes,we have the ability to make every decision consciously, you sound kinda concerning.
I 100% believe the family’s theory. That scary little boy absolutely lured her in.
I think that a hero in the story is Josh’s mom, she knew that if she went to police with what she found, even though it was a right thing to do, she was condemning her own son to prison for his life, and she did it anyway because it was the right thing. I don’t know if many could be that strong. I bet she has a hard time dealing with that and I feel for her.
Well it seems like she regrets her decision now. I’m glad she acted when she did and didn’t have time to think about it, because she probably would’ve helped him and his dad to cover it up. I don’t feel sorry for her anymore
She definitely needed some help to clean that up. That's why she called the police.
He shouldn’t get parole because he could re offend. Him staying in prison would at least ensure that no other girl is harmed by him.
Thats how it should be for every murderer qnd sexual offender. They should get the death sentence imo
@@learnnailswithme7041 that doesn’t help in the grand scheme of things tho. personally i’d much rather spend money on preventing others to become like this than just on killing them for some sort of revenge
@@learnnailswithme7041 yes to the first sentence and no to the second. If we as society retain murder as unacceptable, we shouldn't give an exclusive right to kill to anyone in the society. I guess my point is we should stop at military and law enforcement level with the right to kill and even then it must be HEAVILY regulated. Please don't let the rage for these murders make you give up your freedoms as a citizen. If I can't kill anyone, then neither the government must have such a right.
@@learnnailswithme7041 honestly i think therapy should be free to everyone and sexual violence should be addressed early on in schools. those two things are good preventative methods. in terms of punishment, i think people who commit petty crime should be rehabilitated and not treated like animals. And in cases of sexual violence, domestic abuse, murder, pedophilia etc, sentences should be very very long.