Low Volume Cymbals VS Rubber Cymbals VS Triggered Low Volume Cymbals (For Electronic Drums)
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2018
- Electronic drums have more options than ever when it comes to cymbals. Should you go with Low Volume cymbals? How about the triggered version of those? Or maybe just stick to classic rubber one? In this video I'm showing playing examples, and breaking down the pros and cons of each!
Rubber Cymbals
Pros:
1. Quieter Than Low Volume Cymbals
2. Change The Sound In Each Kit
3. Slight Advantage In Trigger Accuracy
Cons:
1. More Expensive Than Triggered
And Untriggered LV Cymbals
2. Metal Cymbals Feel Better
3. Smaller Sizes On Average
(Not Triggered) Low Volume Cymbals
Pros:
1. Larger Than Most Rubber Cymbals
2. Cheapest Cymbal Option There Is
3. Looks Much Nicer
4. The Most Acoustic Sounding Option
Cons:
1. Louder Than Rubber Cymbals
2. You Can’t Change The Sound
(Exception Gen 16)
3. Most Are Not Worth Recording
(Exception Agean)
Triggered Low Volume Cymbals:
Pros:
1. Larger Than Rubber Cymbals
2. Cheaper Than Rubber Cymbals
3. Looks Great
4. You Can Change The Sound Every Song
Cons:
1. Louder Than Rubber Cymbals
2. Not Quite As Accurate In Some Cases
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Justin, some people do actually want to hear YOUR opinion. It's okay to just say what you prefer and then say but that's just me not everyone. I personally don't care because I like what I like but it'd still be nice to hear what your experience has led you to prefer and why. Hope that makes sense. You can do it and not be offensive. Remember it's your UA-cam channel. If you're not endorsed, bring those biased opinions on just explain and everyone will be cool with it
Good point man. In this case, I honestly don't know what I think yet. I'll have a more firm opinion after using a triggered ride for a month or so. Right now it's either Rubber cymbals or Triggered LV cymbals.
Hey Justin, very well timed video as I am in the middle of having my acoustic kit converted and I have a TD15KV, so will be starting off with the Roland cymbals. Like a lot of other people, I too want “real” looking cymbals and have done a lot research but like you say, it’s very difficult to get the full sound and volume across on video. I have decided to go LV triggered. At the moment I do not record my playing, so this way I get the various sounds while keeping the volume low. Keep up the good work. I’ve picked up so much valued information from your channel. Happy new year!
Another great video. I wish you a great entry into the New Year 2019, with health and happiness.
Great video, you did exactly what i do, i have an Alesis Strike but i always hated the cymbals, i tried other brands but none gave me what i wanted, more dynamics, so a bought some L80s some mics and a mixer, i changed every rubber cymbal for a low volume one and mixed that with the module.
I finally got what i desired the most from my cymbals, there where so many things that i could not do with rubber cymbals and now i can.
It was not cheap and depending on your mics it may not even sound that good but i LOVE it.
As for the hearing yourself hitting other pads, never had that problem, i have a mic for every cymbal and they don't catch that much apart from the cymbals themselves, i suppose that's just based on what type of mic you use but in my case the only drawback is that my mics are not that great so they can get a little distorted with really loud highs, and that a problem when i crash sometimes, but most of the times nothing happens and the mic just reacts normally, really that is just a problem of cheap mics and not knowing how to properly position and configure them in the mixer.
Also, they are just loud enough to not bother anyone when i close my door, i mean they can definitely hear it but most of the times that level of sound is no problem.
Excellent comparison. While I play an entirely acoustic kit most of the time, I also have a set of DIY electronic drums that I paired with 2 of Pintech Visulites and have been very happy with them. Accurate triggering, look nice and they just feel better to me than the traditional rubber cymbals, even though I know I am hitting a rubber pad mounted on them. You don't see too many Visulites around any more. Not sure why.
Excellent Video Justin! Looking forward to a review of your DIY Triggered Cymbal.
Thanks!
Thanks! A very timely topic for me since I'm about to dive into the E~cymbals mystery myself as a new drummer...
Glad the topic came up at the right time :)
I have a TD-25kv. I don’t mind the cymbals. What I want to see is a better friggin’ hi-hat. Every time I get on my acoustic set, the acoustic hi-hat is so refreshing to play. Roland really needs to fix this.
Malachi186282 I would like to see a hi hat comparison
Yes but that's any electronic hh but most people won't tell you that and only after you spend thousands of dollars will you realize this lol
I totally agree, I think that edrum kits keep getting better and better, except for the hihat. The average electronic hihat is so bulky and can’t get the slurred effect of an acoustic hihat. It’s one of the things that makes me really want to switch back to an acoustic kit. In all fairness, when the rubber hits rubber it doesn’t bounce and shake the way metal does.
just use the low volume hi hat and see if it can "blend" with the e-drum sounds.
@@airbean1947 The hi-hat is the single reason why I can't still buy an e-drum. Until they sort out the hi-hat, the feel of the cymbal, making it more metal and less rubber I will refuse to buy
Nice job, you covered things well and quick to the point. J
Hello Justin, love your videos mate. 65 Drums is the go to UA-cam channel for electronic drums. I have a silly idea, what about making a cymbal stack with the combination of a rubber cymbal and a low volume or regular cymbal, you would probably need to leave some space between them, to try and get the sound of an acoustic cymbal and an accurate triggered sound from the rubber cymbal with the module of your choice
This is very cool. Never really thought about mic'ing a low volume cymbal with an e-kit. I really liked the sound of that LV on the kit. Thank you for sharing this valuable info. I am going to run to Guitar Center and see if they have any LVs and mics in stock I wanna try setting up a ride.
Thanks Bill! I'd never tried it before myself
@@65Drums i tried the 20 inch LV at guitar center but just wasnt crazy about it. Went ahead and bought full acoustic 20 inch ride, a set of hi hats and a couple of mid end mics. Since i play through an amp im not to worried about room volume. Gonna see if i can mic them up and see if i can mix them. Thanks again for the great idea
Hi Justin, Happy New Year. Did you ever do a review on the drum-tec "Live Sound Edition & Snare Sample Pack" for the Roland TD-17 sound module?
Thanks for the video. I'm really thinking on changing my rubber pads to LV. even thanks to the others for their comments. It's helped make up my decision to change . But what's even greater is that I can leave my rubber crash and ride on so I can transfer back to the rubber at any gig
I'm telling u man. U shoulda been an experimental scientist or something. Your attention to detail and systems u use to compare very different things is lab level thorough. U da man. Lol
@65drums I love your Channel very informative and every video is awesome ! I am just having a hard time to decide between the Roland 17kvx or the Alesis Strike pro . Any suggestions?
Great video! I'd really like to see Zildjian and other low-volume cymbal manufacturers make a ride with a bell that actually sounds like a bell! :)
The LV ride I have it's a chinese knockoff branded "Arborea", and cheap as it is gotta say the bell really cuts.
Hey Justin, yesterday I was mindlessly watching all your videos one by one and in one of your QnAs I recognized one of my questions from a year ago, I posted it and forgot about it, ha!
Anyways, now that my first question is answered I can ask another one, which one is the better snare upgrade (currently have the cursed pdx-8) pdx-100 or pdx 12?
Thanks for the comparison! Im still considering the Gen 16 line, because I want metal cymbals, and I also want to change the sounds at will, and not have the '3 zone' experience (it's not realistic to me)
Nice video! I'm thinking rubber is the way to go still. I did think about switching to or at least trying the Jobeky LV triggered cymbals but I think I will just save my money up for the ATV crash cymbals. I already have the ATV 18" ride and love it!
There's no right answer, so many great cymbals out there on the market these days :)
Your videos are amazing. I have recently seen a video on zeitgeist low volume triggered cymbals. If you get a chance to review those would really appreciate.
I recently got the L80 13" HHs and the 16"ride and I have to say that I love them. No, I can't switch their sounds but in my small room, they fit in well acoustically with the rest of the kit while everything else is coming through monitors. There's just something really important about the feel of them, especially the hihats. the way they sway, the way your dynamics and velocity of hits pull your HH pedal, everything feels real and it's more reliable in terms of 1 to 1 "what you play is what you hear" every time. I really felt that the rubber hihats, though on a stand and all, were not making me a better drummer. Trying the L80s was the right move FOR ME and at this point in my drumming. I sat down on an acoustic kit this past week and I was sort of impressed how much I improved on the hihat in such a small amount of time. I may try the Magnatrack 2nd Gen triggers on them one day because they are too cheap not to give a fair shot while steal drums stuff seems about 3x more expensive than they should be. We'll see. But when it comes to practice, I think LVC's are really the way to go. Live or otherwise, probably not, but I think everyone should try them.
Wow, thanks for pushing me over the fence. I've been looking at the ATV 18" cymbal lately ready to pull the trigger [no pun intended], but at $450 it's a hard choice to justify. Especially I've never even spent that much on any of my acoustic cymbals in the past. Always loved the sound and feel of Low-Volume cymbals and when I got into this "e-drum world" I mistakenly thought them LV with triggers would be the way to go, however some reviews weren't so good about them with vibration vs. triggering effects.
But what you mentioned made complete sense on what my next step should/would be. Right now I have a Simmons DA350 monitor which I could JUST run my drum pads through and just use the Low-Volume cymbals on their own. Seems like a no-brainer when I look at "costs", "feel", "looks" and flexible "option". Option being I can finally get away from Headphones all the time and still play at a low volume to play at any time of the night without disturbing the next door neighbors. Thanks
hey im really pleased that my comment helps! im very much considering getting the other l80 cymbals as well. its a situation i didn’t think id be in as an e-drummer but saving a load of cash on top of actually gaining real skill is an undeniable reality. thanks for reading!
Cool pro/con video!! I think it looked like you were playing easier with the LV cymbals!!😃
Thanks Zax!
what you think about, for a home recording solution: alesis surge mesh (running ssd4 in the daw) for the shells and silent cymbals mic´d (overheads, room, hihat)? that would be an interesting video
I am currently working on triggered LV cymbals that still sound like untriggered LV cymbals. So far i have them working and sounding quite good , but not perfect , double triggering is an issue on crash cymbals due the amount of vibration from being so thin but im getting there , 20 inch ride is 99% there and 14inch hi hats are working flawlessly and sounding great :)
Do you have a magnatrac video? Great video btw
Is there a follow up video of some playing examples with the triggered lv cymbal?
Zildjian now offers their own triggers to use with the L80 Cymbals - they were 39 Euros a piece at Thomann...
single zone only. I think they probably didn't manufacture those themselves, but I don't really know...
**TRIGGERED** hehe nice comparison video, Justin!
Keep in mind that volume is bot all there is. The lower the frequency the better it penetrates so for you the the rubber cymbal may be quieter but for your neighbor it may be the other one.
Great video.
For those who want lv cymbals but they are too loud and a full dampening thing kills too much time. You can find some very thin rubber u channel. I have about a 2 inch strip on my 20 l80 ride. Still has the tone (slightly less ring) but a little less Dbs.
Kinda trade off I guess.
Have you seen the Magnatrack triggers? Was wondering about your thoughts on them?
Hi Justin, did you try to play an LV Cymbal on top of a rubber cymbal? How would be the triggering accuracy and playing feel? (I saw a video of someone playing like that)
New sub here, love the content. Quick question for you. Have you heard of these Magnatrack triggers? They seem interesting especially when it comes to low volume cymbal conversion.
I have a set. The newer ones are better. But Magnatrack have driven themselves into a corner, when it comes to distribution...
Okay now what do normal cymbals sound lile w the uhhh neoprene u channel on the edges... aaand what if you fit a neoprene sheet cut to size on the cymbal... with and without the u channel, kinda like slipping a practice cymbal on to of the existing cymbal? Trying to abandon my digi setup for more sear time on my acoustic set w a quick slip muting setup while going full on hybrid build... record, practice, go live, any sound at any time. Wondering if just using some rubber adhesive to slap the two neoprene pieces together under vaccuum would get a good bond and even further, what if I used heat while under vac to get a solid form of and seating on the cymbal? 🤔
A great video!
hi justin, i've seen some cymbals (yamaha dtx562k) fade to an extremely light shade of grey. is this due to UV sunlight, improper care, high-frequency use - or does it happen to all rubber cymbals with age?
Hi, in your opinion, what is the best HH trigger low volume compare with the VH11? Thanks.
Hey Justin, happy new year 🙂
Happy New Year! :D
Justin, I have TD30KV and added L80 Zyldjian 14 hats and 20 ride. If I want to record at home with these should I get a mixer and run main outs of module to in of mixer them USB from mixer to laptop to record in Cubase? Our is there another way. Audio interface an option?
Thanks Mike
Are you using vts or module. The sound is incredible!
Hey man, are your drums electronic? I thought so, but can’t really tell. Kind of an acoustic kit conversion? I’m looking to do something like this for my church so I’d love some input!
I have A roland dt 11 K and i considuring bye A roland dt 17 kvx is IT smart
Hi can someone let me know if ATV 14 inch hi hats will work with a roland td20x
Yea my stealth HH cymbal is almost as quiet as a Roland but feels much more realistic to play on , but your not really recording the physical audio anyway just the modules outs
Hey Justin, are you going to review that Stealth trigger after you get it installed on the cymbal? Another question, why does a difference (not volume) in the sound between the rubber and the triggered low volume matter?? They are e-cymbals, not acoustic.
I probably will, but I've been so busy I haven't had time to mess with it enough yet to review it and get the install right
your kit looks a lot cooler with that l80
How odd...I have just yesterday swapped my hi hat cymbal (a Roland CY-12C...worked beautifully instead of using the CY5 on my TD-17 which are shite). I’m using a mesh head PDX-8 as the hi hat. It’s much quieter and works very well.
Anyway...why don’t Ronald invent a wraparound for the front of the rack to hide the stuff that doesn’t look drummiest.
I just bought a Jobeky 16" triggered low volume china, which I find the edge doesn't trigger as well as the bow, but I to agree with you, it is a lot louder than my Roland CY's.
I found that if you go to trigger settings with those Jobeky cymbols, and turn up the Rim gain, or Rim sensitivity whatever it's called. That it fixes it.
Its all well an good doing a comparison. How about doing stick noise comparison. A lotta e cymbals has a very loud stick noise.
Why can't the makers get together an produce some quiet ones..
That's why we have mesh pad kits. Sadly the tech hasn't progressed much, on stick noise when it comes to even high end e cymbals!
Hey, Justin. Can you please recomend me a good snare trigger. I'm currently using the one that comes with the Jobeky Compact Set...but I'm not very happy with it. Also can the type of the mesh head affect the sensitivity of the trigger (using the stock heads on the set). Thanks a lot a happy holidays
Tune up the mesh head, if it's too loose the trigger will not be as sensitive. If you want a replacement, try UFO drums or R-Drums
@@65Drums thanks, mate...I'll try that
review of the millenium mps 850 pls.
greet me i love your video😊☺
Since i play l-volume cymbals I can say for Sure that it is direkt enough to play it in an Apartment!
Seems like a weird sound comparison to make in the beginning with rubber trigger vs a metal acoustic cymbal. Why not compare the sound of a rubber trigger vs a metal trigger with the rubber rim like the Jobeky? also I thought it was a weird comment to say that the sound of the low volume cymbal from another room is more annoying because of the higher frequency but actually higher frequencies are much more easily reduced by physical barriers (walls) than lower frequencies and since both cymbals peaked the decibel meter at around 96db I would think the higher frequency low volume cymbal would be far quieter from another room. Then if it were a muted one like the Jobeky it should be quieter again. That's the comparison I'd really like to see/hear
I find with crash cymbals i don't need huge sizes cause i only hit the edge so as long as its where i want it to be its fine ,the ride i like to have bigger because i'm using the bow mostly. I prefer rubber cymbals over metal because they don't chew up my sticks like metal cymbals do and chewed up sticks can ruin your mesh heads. I've been using the same pair of sticks on my edrums for 5 years and thats only cause i switched to a lighter stick or i would still be using my 10 year old sticks. If i was going to use low volume cymbals they would have to be triggered because i don't like the way they sound raw.
Have you ever considered nylon tip? They won't get chewed up for sure
I use nylon tip for that reason
If you add a snare wire under that snare, it could dub as a bad sounding low volume kit with the low volume kit.
I really should try that
You'll still have those neighbors with a glass up to the wall listening complaining and yelling keep quiet.....
Sorry, this isnt relevant to the video but I have a question. Do you know anything about the alesis nitro mesh kit? Im pretty new to drumming but really want a kit for my birthday and the deal is: I could get a drumkit but nothing else because theyre pricey. I don't wanna waste this opportunity by asking for a bad kit. I'd only be using the kit for personal practice maybe for an hour to two hours a day. Anyways, if anyone has an opinion on this kit then let me know. Also i have a pretty cheap budget lmao, Nothing over £370
why people use more crash cymbals than 2 from standard electric drums ? 5 or 6 crashes ?
I like having at least two crashes so I can have a high and low pitch crash, and a China/splash because of the style of music I play. It turns your kit into more an actual instrument, let's you play with/to the music more
I need a drum kit
U need that glory hole cash cause it gets expensive. Mostly cause u need to buy a house far from humans unless u like cops and jail
Justin! 2:55 sweet chop bro!
Thanks man!
Why are you so stuck on this DIY build your own symbol concept. Doing it that way there are an infinite number of combinations available. How about a comparison between the acoustic electric -vs- the rubber electric symbols from a plugged in perspective. What will the front of house hear, will it be good?
Imagine the Roland vad 506 with low volume cymbals with triggers 👌
Mics and speakers and yt will make dB even out by the time your viewers get the sound. You should use a dB meter to show people the loudness difference
I did
I didnt like how the low volume cymbals felt. Mushy is best I can describe. Too much give. I returned them. My Roland cymbals feel more natural.