I was waiting for your video to help me decide whether or not to spend my ARCs on the Python mkII. I've been saving them up for a while now and you've convinced me that it's worth the purchase. I already have one of your Krait mkII builds plus a Cutter support/missile boat. I thank you for all the hard work all of you put into this. Your dedication to the AX community makes it much easier for CMDR's such as myself to jump into this part of E.D.
Are you happy with it? I hate that in the end I was convinced aswell... What a terrible experience this ship has been so far. The Krait Mk2 is so much better for this.....
@@ShinigamiGrin I built my Python mk2 exactly as it is in his build guide and felt like I had been let down but after taking it to Hadad and doing solo Titan bombing runs I can now say that it's a fantastic ship for that purpose. I made over 160 million in one day just doing torpedo and missile attacks on the titan in solo mode. I'm not sure how it will work for other scenarios but it is definitely a great titan killer.
This video is sooooooo informative! These concepts apply to all AX ships, not just the Python MkII. I'm going to build a new ship centered around these concepts. Stellar video!!!
As for the shields, alternating bomber duties with other CMDRs allows for shield rebuilding in between runs also so it is very feasible and very sustainable for long periods of time until ammo runs low
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I've already built my Python MK2 for PvP/PvE and I was hesitant about building one for AX Combat as it's not yet possible to simulate on EDSY or Coriolis, and I didn't feel like spending materials experimenting with different engineering. As always, very informative, well-founded content, supported by facts and experimentation, which not only points us in the right direction, but also explains the reasons behind the choices, which I greatly appreciate. Thank you very much for all your work and for sharing. See you soon cmdr, o7! PS: I forgot to thank the work of all the cmdrs who collaborated with you on this project, their work is greatly appreciated and valued.
The amoun of work and professionalism you have put on your videos is incrediable. I really admire your work. I tried the Spire Build and, even tho I am sure it is perfect and right, my poor AX skills did not help me. I am glad to say I joined your Anti Xeno discord and the people there is really nice and kind. You guys deserve the best for all the excellent work. Sadly, I am not sure I qualified for this task. I lost my ship twice and could kill one, lol. I am waiting for the next video.
@@Astyrrean Ahh, I'm sure they weren't there when I first tried to post about it, before I realised that YT didn't allow the link I had put in my post. But I see them now. 😊
Do you even need the Enhanced variant of the Xeno Scanner if you intend to bomb the Titan? Wouldn't it make sense to equip the legacy Xeno Scanner and save 0.4 MW ?
The fighter definitely needs the enhanced version to scan interceptors for hearts destruction. It is practically impossible to do so with the meager 500m range of the regular one. The bombers don’t need a scanner.
Now I want to turn to FDev: You, guys, made the new Python too powerful. The next version of the ship MKIII should have six large hardpoints, eight utilities and a power plant 4 with a fourth-size distributor. No, not even the fourth, but the second! And we don't need additional compartments. Make our life unbearable! It's a joke, of course, but it's still sad to see how you approach ship designs. A big thanks you to CMDR Mechan and team for the development and great work. They did the impossible. But I don't see a big need to ditch my Krait MK2 just yet.
QQ: Any particular reason going with gimballed instead of fixed for the Thermal Vent? If I'm not mistaken, a fixed consumes less power, and produces less thermal and higher DPS which I assume increases the vent.
Thermal vent works by inverting the thermal load of the weapon it is applied to. So the higher the better - hence gimbals. Besides that, it’s practically impossible to keep a fixed beam on target while orbiting and firing gimballed weapons (the aim point is too far distant.) Go Gimballed with gimballed weapons, fixed with fixed weapons.
I dont have the max G5 unlock for my power plants yet or my thrusters, so I can only get my power plant to LE G4 and my clean drives to G3. Is this still good enough to meet the sub 20 heat req? What would be the barebones engineering needed to get this thing titanspace ready?
Probably not is the sad answer. The Krait is a lot more forgiving (as it is a hull tank) of lower engineering grades. With that engineering, I’d drop the shield go with repair limpet and cargo. Not ideal, but best you can swing I think.
Despite the disappointing lack of optional slots, I thought the P2 would have at least some sort of ability against thargoids, with it's decent boost speed and generous hard points
It does fine in solo interceptor fights and AXCXs… but by fine I mean “FDL-level-fine.” For solo combat and AXCZs, the Krait, Chief, and Chally remain far better options.
Hi, I want to understand better the theory how you're getting the heat performance your getting. I was messing around trying to produce the same result using a regular Python, Im finding the heat % increase from shields charging takes it way over 20% so is there something in your downgrade to D rating shield and E rating the boosters that's for heat performance rather than energy efficiency? Is there a table showing how much extra heat different types of shields produce while charging?
There is very little “scientific” data about how shield charge converts into heat. What I can tell you is that the higher the shield distro draw, the higher the heat generation - biweaves run MUCH hotter than regular and prismo shields, and furthermore heat generation when charging broken shield is much higher than when charging unbroken ones (as the distro draw is relatably higher.) With that in mind, all A-E shields, and prismos as well (which have the same draw) will generate the same “charging heat” given the same engineering. The reason D ones were chosen here is power draw more than anything though. D-rated shields are the best we could fit without sacrificing the Low Emissions plant - which is key for it to all work. As for the 0E shield boosters, those are simply your best bang-for-buck of converting power grid capacity into shield boost amount. Their absolute boost is lower than higher-rated ones, but their proportional boost (to power grid used) is enormously higher. Keep in mind a key equation we’re solving for here is - how do we fit this all into a meager Class 6 LE5/Monstered power plant! The regular Python has a major advantage in that regard - it has an oversized Class 7 powerplant, that you can run as LE5/ThermalSpread even.
Thank you. I will be building. My cmdr nick should be changed to sirdiesalot ever since I started xeno wafare. Hopefully this helps. Is the oreosnacker able to defeat the banshees?
Not really … as Hydra is a Gauss or ModShards affair, and the PMk2 is not an ideal platform for either. It would effectively run like an FDL, more or less. I would probably run it 3m gauss + beam + flak or 4 ModShards + beam vs Hydra.
The only way i can get the mk2 build to run under power is disable the frame shift drive, cargo hatch, and nanite torp launcher getting thru the caustic cloud then disable the thargoid pulse nuetralizer, the caustic sink launcher, and re-enable the nanite torpedos near the titan. This is very strange as the build worked perfectly on Hadad. Oh, it works perfectly with regular AX missile racks. I have to do the above with the pre-engineered mag cap/rapid fire AX racks.
Then you made some mistake with the build or with power priorities. Note your AFMU, hatch, and FSD are designed to automatically turn off/on when you deploy/retract hardpoints. Everything else stays on.
@@Astyrrean I double checked the build per the edsy page and still can't figure out why it does this. I do keep the AFMU and hatch off. The FSD I disable when in the cloud. It still insists I'm over power budget. Meh, it works the way I said still. Maybe on Thor I'll figure out what is going on. Either way, its a great build for vents and core.
Neither particularly matters :). You're turning your FSD off once you arrive at the Maelstrom anyway. Personal choice ... if you want a couple extra m/s, you can certainly go with a D-rated drive!
The cycle as a whole is roughly 4 minutes (from the start of a bombing run to the start of the following bombing run.) The Torus and subsequent period before vents open is probably around half of that? Ballpark …
@@Astyrrean Then I apologize I didn't quite understand the assembly. No hull repair i.e. you need to prevent shield destruction, i.e. its fast recovery in a cycle. Now the recovery time is (for example TitanBomber V3.0B) 1m27s + 4m51s. Why not use Bi-Shield where the shield amplifiers have an intensity control effect ? Shield 702 time is 1m17s + 1m50s. Is it worse ?
@@Astyrrean You wrote to me last time too and I remember. Is it important to heat up far behind the asteroid when you repair and make another run with a fully charged shield ? I bomb on FDL and just around the asteroids my shield has time to fully charge.
I mean everything is worth trying if you even care to ask. We did try it. Some of us use it. It is very, very squishy, but quite a bit faster. So for you to decide.
i did a solo run the other day i survived pretty well and ran out of nanite torpedo. You can still get away with armored thermal spread powerplant and dirty drives
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CMDR Mechan's less than ideal run would be my glory run that I would never stop talking about 🤣
I was waiting for your video to help me decide whether or not to spend my ARCs on the Python mkII. I've been saving them up for a while now and you've convinced me that it's worth the purchase. I already have one of your Krait mkII builds plus a Cutter support/missile boat. I thank you for all the hard work all of you put into this. Your dedication to the AX community makes it much easier for CMDR's such as myself to jump into this part of E.D.
No need to spend ARX, they're out there for free iirc
@@FluxOrbit they're only purchasable with credits in august, until then it's with arx
Are you happy with it? I hate that in the end I was convinced aswell... What a terrible experience this ship has been so far. The Krait Mk2 is so much better for this.....
@@ShinigamiGrin I built my Python mk2 exactly as it is in his build guide and felt like I had been let down but after taking it to Hadad and doing solo Titan bombing runs I can now say that it's a fantastic ship for that purpose. I made over 160 million in one day just doing torpedo and missile attacks on the titan in solo mode. I'm not sure how it will work for other scenarios but it is definitely a great titan killer.
This video is sooooooo informative! These concepts apply to all AX ships, not just the Python MkII. I'm going to build a new ship centered around these concepts. Stellar video!!!
As for the shields, alternating bomber duties with other CMDRs allows for shield rebuilding in between runs also so it is very feasible and very sustainable for long periods of time until ammo runs low
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I've already built my Python MK2 for PvP/PvE and I was hesitant about building one for AX Combat as it's not yet possible to simulate on EDSY or Coriolis, and I didn't feel like spending materials experimenting with different engineering.
As always, very informative, well-founded content, supported by facts and experimentation, which not only points us in the right direction, but also explains the reasons behind the choices, which I greatly appreciate.
Thank you very much for all your work and for sharing.
See you soon cmdr, o7!
PS: I forgot to thank the work of all the cmdrs who collaborated with you on this project, their work is greatly appreciated and valued.
A great video. Thanks so much to Mechan and all the CMDRs who put the time in to develop and test these builds without EDSY.
thank you very much for the hard work. On August 7th I will test those constructions 🫡
Python MK2 sales definitely increased now. Fantastic work CMDR Mechan.
The amoun of work and professionalism you have put on your videos is incrediable. I really admire your work. I tried the Spire Build and, even tho I am sure it is perfect and right, my poor AX skills did not help me. I am glad to say I joined your Anti Xeno discord and the people there is really nice and kind. You guys deserve the best for all the excellent work. Sadly, I am not sure I qualified for this task. I lost my ship twice and could kill one, lol. I am waiting for the next video.
Stealth bomber build looks really good, I may have to treat myself.
Good news guys! Python MK2 is finally available at EDSY now! 🤘
Yup. Links in video description.
Thanks for this. Going to outfit for standalone Titanbomber and Titanfighter and see how well they do compared to my beloved Krait.
Hey fella, just wanted to courtesy come in and let you know AGF is live on EDSY.
Id rec updating the build and the shortlinks.
Great setup, but am wondering how you set your fire groups?
Check out the Krait Bug Smashers episode - we explain it thoroughly; PMk2 follows same logic
EDSY has the Python Mk2 now. I've already built the Titanbomber v3.0 A in it. I'd share the link, but UA-cam blocks it. 🙄
It’s already in the video description ;)
@@Astyrrean Ahh, I'm sure they weren't there when I first tried to post about it, before I realised that YT didn't allow the link I had put in my post. But I see them now. 😊
Hi there, thanks for this. Can the Oreo build deal with Banshees too? Or do you need to wing up or go on foot first?
Negative. Oreo build deals with Oreos. For banshees you need missiles, or a nice shotgun and decent-grade dominator suit.
Good stuff, sir. o7 cmdr
Where are the rescue ships that sell these caustic sinks? Can you get them at Jameson Memorial?
Galaxy Map -> Thargoid War mode -> Look for the blue/green cross icons on the map. They are not available at ShinDez.
great job o7 cmdr
Do you even need the Enhanced variant of the Xeno Scanner if you intend to bomb the Titan? Wouldn't it make sense to equip the legacy Xeno Scanner and save 0.4 MW ?
The fighter definitely needs the enhanced version to scan interceptors for hearts destruction. It is practically impossible to do so with the meager 500m range of the regular one. The bombers don’t need a scanner.
Now I want to turn to FDev: You, guys, made the new Python too powerful. The next version of the ship MKIII should have six large hardpoints, eight utilities and a power plant 4 with a fourth-size distributor. No, not even the fourth, but the second! And we don't need additional compartments. Make our life unbearable!
It's a joke, of course, but it's still sad to see how you approach ship designs.
A big thanks you to CMDR Mechan and team for the development and great work. They did the impossible.
But I don't see a big need to ditch my Krait MK2 just yet.
Hi is Conc Seq shield regen rate effecteed by the size of the laser? Would a large or medium beam regen shields faster than a small turreted pulse?
ConcSeq is not. It is an on/off effect. Hence the turreted pulse. RegenSeq, on the other hand, IS. But RegenSec is a MUCH weaker effect overall.
@@Astyrrean OK thanks.
QQ: Any particular reason going with gimballed instead of fixed for the Thermal Vent? If I'm not mistaken, a fixed consumes less power, and produces less thermal and higher DPS which I assume increases the vent.
Thermal vent works by inverting the thermal load of the weapon it is applied to. So the higher the better - hence gimbals. Besides that, it’s practically impossible to keep a fixed beam on target while orbiting and firing gimballed weapons (the aim point is too far distant.) Go Gimballed with gimballed weapons, fixed with fixed weapons.
I dont have the max G5 unlock for my power plants yet or my thrusters, so I can only get my power plant to LE G4 and my clean drives to G3. Is this still good enough to meet the sub 20 heat req? What would be the barebones engineering needed to get this thing titanspace ready?
Probably not is the sad answer. The Krait is a lot more forgiving (as it is a hull tank) of lower engineering grades. With that engineering, I’d drop the shield go with repair limpet and cargo. Not ideal, but best you can swing I think.
Despite the disappointing lack of optional slots, I thought the P2 would have at least some sort of ability against thargoids, with it's decent boost speed and generous hard points
It does fine in solo interceptor fights and AXCXs… but by fine I mean “FDL-level-fine.” For solo combat and AXCZs, the Krait, Chief, and Chally remain far better options.
Hi, I want to understand better the theory how you're getting the heat performance your getting. I was messing around trying to produce the same result using a regular Python, Im finding the heat % increase from shields charging takes it way over 20% so is there something in your downgrade to D rating shield and E rating the boosters that's for heat performance rather than energy efficiency? Is there a table showing how much extra heat different types of shields produce while charging?
There is very little “scientific” data about how shield charge converts into heat. What I can tell you is that the higher the shield distro draw, the higher the heat generation - biweaves run MUCH hotter than regular and prismo shields, and furthermore heat generation when charging broken shield is much higher than when charging unbroken ones (as the distro draw is relatably higher.) With that in mind, all A-E shields, and prismos as well (which have the same draw) will generate the same “charging heat” given the same engineering. The reason D ones were chosen here is power draw more than anything though. D-rated shields are the best we could fit without sacrificing the Low Emissions plant - which is key for it to all work. As for the 0E shield boosters, those are simply your best bang-for-buck of converting power grid capacity into shield boost amount. Their absolute boost is lower than higher-rated ones, but their proportional boost (to power grid used) is enormously higher. Keep in mind a key equation we’re solving for here is - how do we fit this all into a meager Class 6 LE5/Monstered power plant! The regular Python has a major advantage in that regard - it has an oversized Class 7 powerplant, that you can run as LE5/ThermalSpread even.
Thank you. I will be building. My cmdr nick should be changed to sirdiesalot ever since I started xeno wafare. Hopefully this helps. Is the oreosnacker able to defeat the banshees?
No, you need missiles for the Banshees. Swap the AGF shards for missiles, though, and it's VERY capable of taking out Banshees...
O7 commander! Any test was done with the MK2 for the standard space cabbage (Hydra or Medusa interceptors) solo kills?
Not really … as Hydra is a Gauss or ModShards affair, and the PMk2 is not an ideal platform for either. It would effectively run like an FDL, more or less. I would probably run it 3m gauss + beam + flak or 4 ModShards + beam vs Hydra.
How is this ship for 1v1 and cold orbiting? Is the chieftain still better at it?
The chief is far better for 1vs1 and for AXCZs, yes.
The only way i can get the mk2 build to run under power is disable the frame shift drive, cargo hatch, and nanite torp launcher getting thru the caustic cloud then disable the thargoid pulse nuetralizer, the caustic sink launcher, and re-enable the nanite torpedos near the titan. This is very strange as the build worked perfectly on Hadad. Oh, it works perfectly with regular AX missile racks. I have to do the above with the pre-engineered mag cap/rapid fire AX racks.
Then you made some mistake with the build or with power priorities. Note your AFMU, hatch, and FSD are designed to automatically turn off/on when you deploy/retract hardpoints. Everything else stays on.
@@Astyrrean I double checked the build per the edsy page and still can't figure out why it does this. I do keep the AFMU and hatch off. The FSD I disable when in the cloud. It still insists I'm over power budget. Meh, it works the way I said still. Maybe on Thor I'll figure out what is going on. Either way, its a great build for vents and core.
@@wstavis3135 Do you have the shield boosters at the proper grading? Happened to a few other folks to over-engineer one of the SBs.
Since we usually fly our FCs right up close to the target systems, why not engineer the FSD for integrity instead of distance?
Neither particularly matters :). You're turning your FSD off once you arrive at the Maelstrom anyway. Personal choice ... if you want a couple extra m/s, you can certainly go with a D-rated drive!
EDSY now has mk2 in it... interestingly I have a pvp version of the mk2 that is almost identical to the oreo snacker with different main guns.
Yup. Links in video description.
I'm sorry. I just want to clarify. How many seconds elapse from the time the core is lowered until the ventilation shafts open ?
The cycle as a whole is roughly 4 minutes (from the start of a bombing run to the start of the following bombing run.) The Torus and subsequent period before vents open is probably around half of that? Ballpark …
@@Astyrrean Then I apologize I didn't quite understand the assembly. No hull repair i.e. you need to prevent shield destruction, i.e. its fast recovery in a cycle.
Now the recovery time is (for example TitanBomber V3.0B) 1m27s + 4m51s.
Why not use Bi-Shield where the shield amplifiers have an intensity control effect ? Shield 702 time is 1m17s + 1m50s.
Is it worse ?
@@SergeyMihailov I explain that in the (arguably very long, probably too long for UA-cam) video; biweaves heat up too much when charging.
@@Astyrrean You wrote to me last time too and I remember. Is it important to heat up far behind the asteroid when you repair and make another run with a fully charged shield ?
I bomb on FDL and just around the asteroids my shield has time to fully charge.
Is a Shieldless build even worth trying with the mk2?
I mean everything is worth trying if you even care to ask. We did try it. Some of us use it. It is very, very squishy, but quite a bit faster. So for you to decide.
what about Python mk2 for solo spire farming?
You totally can do it. It's slow going, but it works. Might as well bring a Conda though for that task though...
Sea trials don’t you mean Space trials
i did a solo run the other day i survived pretty well and ran out of nanite torpedo. You can still get away with armored thermal spread powerplant and dirty drives
ye clean thrusters
first
Seriously it’s actually a terrible ship in a fight. Lousy manoeuvring .