I'm glad it's not a Python clone to be fair, a beast of a ship in it's own right. A great first offering, however I'm looking forward to the next in line Type 8.
I'm hoping the Type-8 maxes out a medium pad to give the Python MK1 some competition in the medium trade area. That way we get the T6 as an entry medium trader, the T7 as an entry large trader, a T8 as the medium trade powerhouse and the T9 as the large trade powerhouse. Then they'll go and release the Panther Clipper LX that'll just dominate large pad trading 😁
I reckon about 300T - if it's higher than the Type-7 and on a medium pad, it'll make the Type-7 absolutely pointless, as it'll be able to carry more cargo and land at outposts and smaller ground facilities. I'll give FDev something - they've managed to make the T8 look bloody good in the previews - even if it doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the Lakon Transporter range (although it DOES still have the massive glass bulleye at the front)
I find it funny how limited we have become in this game. It just has to be another ship and we are happy... I'd rather see new roles to be honest, new gameplay. Revamp smuggling, rework combat zones, introduce proper salvaging, then provide ships with those roles in mind. The type-8 would be a great salvaging ship. Improve the ship wrecks, to provide gameplay for salvaging, with different methods doing it from the ship and also allowing to leave it and go for a manual job with dedicated tools. Who need another transport?! We have plenty, it would be just a different shape and skin. But again, as long as we get something we are content, we have come this far, asking anything in this game "would bee too complicated for those poor guys to implement" so let be happy with wathever bone they throw at us.
@@ShinigamiAnger FFS. I'm for one tired of the constant bitching at Fdev for not doing this, or that. And thrilled, and am highly looking forward to the next offering and beyond. Imma wait until it available before I piss all over the effort. Worst player base in gaming with the constant crying.
People bashing the Mk2 for it's internals are doing it because this is like a popular van or SUV model announcing the next iteration will be a sports car. If they had just called this ship the Fer De Lance Mk2 or Mamba MK2 none of these complaints would be coming up.
My guess to why it's not a multirole ship is to not make the mk1 obsolete, which would make all the people that invested all the time, effort and money (in-game and real) very unhappy
Meh but would they mass exit the game in protest or cry on Reddit then go back to playing ? Veryr arely has there ever been so sweeping changes in a video game where the players stop cld turkey in protest where it tanks a devgelopers revenue.
The fuel capacity is atrocious and my dash smoked several times trying to scoop on my trek to outfit it. The handling and the speed are really nice though. Looking forward to trying out bounty hunting.
I've been having a great time with the Mk II, flying it exclusively until it came time to beat up on Hadad. But while its obvious lineage invites comparison with the Mk I, the use cases for the two ships are sufficiently different that I don't see the point. The Python is a multirole ship. The Mk II is not. I love them both and have plenty of use for both.
Agreed there are plenty of use cases for both ships - and the MK1 isn't made obsolete by the MK2 - but I do wonder if it would be better as a standalone, entirely new model of ship - a "Copperhead" as it were (assuming we'd still be running snake names) - that way the inevitable comparisons wouldn't need to be drawn in the first place 🙂
@@gamingsnipsandbits Funny how the YTer never says this in his video all the while trying to directl;y compare the 2 ships but bothers to come down here way into the comments and agree that the 2 ships are not comparable. You really need to amend your video or post a sticky comment to the top of the thread and point out hmost of your video was way off point !!!
It's a thought - but the crux of it is, the ship IS called the Python MK2 - so those comparisons are inevitable. Should it be called something else? Maybe, but then it would probably also need a redesign to remove the visual similarities - at which point, it might as well be an entirely new ship.
Great video. One thing I don't get is why in all the reviews everybody focuses so much on the prices of stuff, given how easy it is to make money in the game.... Was it not as easy as it is today years ago?
Credits are easy, but for me at least, it's a simple way of benchmarking a ship's worth compared to its rivals - so for example, going off Coriolis, the Mamba is valued at 56mil, compared to the 51mil of the FDL - both are designed for combat, but is the Mamba worth the extra 5 mil? Not really given it's handling, and other shortcomings (despite the increased DPS) so IMO it's on the more expensive end of reasonable. If that makes any sense 😆
It used to be a bit of a pain to make money yeah (even having a billion credits was a lot in like 2015 or so) but currently it's almost trivial. For most players ship and module cost, and rebuy cost, are pretty irrelevant.
For the life of me, I don't understand how these developers overlook immersion when it comes to these spaceships. If a ship has a co-pilot seat or other stations, simply put NPCs in them to give the feel of having crew. They can have simple animations at whatever station they are at and they don't have to do anything else.
Having a lifeless elite dangerous npc next to me with strange facial expressions would greatly lessen immersion for me and for most I imagine. The apex shuttles arent exactly an immersive experience
@@tflp1950 - Um, they don't have to have strange facial expressions, bro. They are NPC models in the co-pilot seat with piloting animations and voice dialogue during combat and handling functions on the ship.
@@tflp1950 - The NPCs would be specifically for the ship. Ships with multiple seats should have NPC co-pilots for immersion if you hired crew for solo play.
After naming the MK1 after LeChuck, it felt fitting. Just need more ships to name them after the rest of the characters - like "Murray's Talking Skull" or "Elaine's Island Booty" 😁
This new one is just ugly. Not sleek, not utilitarian, not militaristic. It's somewhere in the bland middle, an uninspired, boring design. They probably asked an intern to do it, a quickie between other tasks.
The original plan was to wait until August and see what it's like then - but since hitting 1000 subs, UA-cam tells me that I've done enough for the £9 for the Arx - so figured I'd put it back into the channel 🙂
They care now because FDEV f’ed up. The lack of care, we as a community for Elite Dangerous have witnessed, also happened in all of their games across the board. FDEV lost, I think, $750 mil in stock valuation slowly after the release of Odyssey but they messed all of their games up. Due to the massive failure they have decided to work on and support their core games in which Elite is one of those core games. They cannot continue to do what they were doing before or they will be out of business. So naturally we are now getting support for Elite.
The ship makes no sense. How does a ship that is physically larger than a python mk1 have a smaller power plant, smaller power distributor, smaller fuel tank, and not even a third of the optional internal space? is the ship hollow? or does the extra 2 utility slots and single extra hardpoint really take up half of the ship?
So if you bother doing the math on the dimensions between the 2 ships ... you are crying about a basketball court difference between 2 ships that are already nearly ~90 meters long in a video game that has never taken the interior vs exterior sapces into account when building out the game. SO until Frontier bothers to go full Star Citizen and redesign all their spaceshispt o be physcially realistic (as muic as possible); you are crying over pretend bullshit.
Basically this ship is: take the python mk1 remove its best attribute being a very good multi role ship in exchange give a better turn radius. Seems to me this ship was designed for pvp. Worse general stats in exchange for better pvp stats.
The SCO integration really is the selling point of the ship. Everyone is so busy shitting on it because "muh prebuilts", so very few people talk about how much better its handling is in overdrive.
With the SCO boost, I'm slowly getting the hang of using it as a pirate interceptor - spotting a viable target in Supercruise, boosting to get a bit closer, then pulling it out for some looting and scrapping
It’s a pure combat ships that’s better than a mamba and worse than an FDL. Shouldn’t be called the Python Mk2. Probably best to just move your Mamba frag cannon PvP / ganking loadout to this
WAH WAH WAH ... all these Python Mk II videos are comparing APPLES to BRICKS. The MARK 1 focuses on Mining and Cargo, The MARK 2 focuses on Combat. Tweak however you want. It's a variant with a different Role. The End. Geez.
It isn't a variant as such though - it's effectively a sequel, as dictated by having MK2 in the name, so there will be an automatic assumption that the two are comparable. So that needs to be addressed IMO In terms of it focusing on combat, that's something I mention in the video - saying it's comparable to the FDL and Mamba - and that it has the potential to have a crack at the FDL's prime spot on the combat pedestal. I'd argue that the MK1 doesn't focus just on mining and cargo either - it's excellent at those tasks, don't get me wrong, but the MK1 is focussed as a truly excellent multipurpose ship - the swiss army knife of spaceships.
Nah it's not that bad - it's just not the multirole beast that the MK1 is - unless you mean the audio quality in the video, which is probably the weakest link in anything I've uploaded to here (it's slowly getting better - learning on the job and all that)
Python mk2 isn't anything special. It can't take a beating. At all. You're dead within seconds once your shields go down, it's lack luster with heat generation. It's power modules are underwhelming by a long, long shot. It doesn't really have the power to be a shield tank. Weapon placement isn't ideal, if you can get to the fact that it's under powered and under gunned, and under shielded. The mk1 will completely outlast the mk2 in any kind of combat, thargoid included. I actually moved on to the conda for combat like I had originally intended. Kinda want my money back tbh.
I do love the agility of it. Also loving your videos as always, I have a new channel so here is a sub from that too! I made a cannon and a frag build of it - let down by dodgy engineering and sleep deprived skill in my videos! I am going to redo them.
Thanks for that, I'll check it out. I did have a play with a frag cannon build - seemed to work pretty well, but I've never got on on with "regular" cannons - frags work for close up shotgun fun and multis work well for laying into a target repeatedly - but I've never found a good spot for standard cannons that can't be done better by something else.
Sir, Sir. No, Sir. I must protest. You extracted the urine with the Asp Scout. The Asp Scout is the master of High Grade Emissions. It is the best ship in the game for High Grade Emissions. Now, the much lauded Cobra can not claim to be the best ship in the game at anything. It's claim to fame is that it can do everything...badly. This plebe looks forward to kicking the tyres of the Python Mk II in a few months. Can you help me out as you mentioned it? I was massively underwhelmed by the FDL. I used a Huge Multi Cannon Overcharged - Auto Loader and the rest beams, Long Range - Thermal Vent. It just seems to take forever to take a ship down compared to the Python. Sticking to gimballed weapons (can't hit a cows arse with a banjo for Fixed Weapons) what loadout will get the best out of the FDL?
Personally I'd drop the auto-loader and replace with corrosive to help drag the hull down quicker if you're after a mix of multis and beams. Or swap it so the Class 4 is a Long Range Thermal Vent Beam and then fill the other slots with corrosive and incendiary overcharged MCs. I was originally going to mention the Sidewinder at the start, but felt that it gets more use than the AspS - not mocking it at all, just wanted to remind people it exists 😉
The Python is the all-around best ship in the game. There is no doubt about it. Everything else is a variant of its glorious abilities Python w/centered seat and a pointless fighter bay for less cargo? Kr8 mk2 Python with medium cargo capability like a T7? Type 8 Python for pvp? Python Mk2. Large Python? Anaconda...lol.
Frontier having a designer spend a few hours creating a new ship and changing power play is just another slap in the face to players... Waive bye bye to Frontier... They cooked themselves... 💥
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I'm glad it's not a Python clone to be fair, a beast of a ship in it's own right. A great first offering, however I'm looking forward to the next in line Type 8.
I'm hoping the Type-8 maxes out a medium pad to give the Python MK1 some competition in the medium trade area. That way we get the T6 as an entry medium trader, the T7 as an entry large trader, a T8 as the medium trade powerhouse and the T9 as the large trade powerhouse.
Then they'll go and release the Panther Clipper LX that'll just dominate large pad trading 😁
@@gamingsnipsandbits We called it, Bits.
I'm looking at around 300-350t on a medpad -- thoughts?
I reckon about 300T - if it's higher than the Type-7 and on a medium pad, it'll make the Type-7 absolutely pointless, as it'll be able to carry more cargo and land at outposts and smaller ground facilities.
I'll give FDev something - they've managed to make the T8 look bloody good in the previews - even if it doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the Lakon Transporter range (although it DOES still have the massive glass bulleye at the front)
I find it funny how limited we have become in this game. It just has to be another ship and we are happy...
I'd rather see new roles to be honest, new gameplay.
Revamp smuggling, rework combat zones, introduce proper salvaging, then provide ships with those roles in mind. The type-8 would be a great salvaging ship. Improve the ship wrecks, to provide gameplay for salvaging, with different methods doing it from the ship and also allowing to leave it and go for a manual job with dedicated tools.
Who need another transport?! We have plenty, it would be just a different shape and skin. But again, as long as we get something we are content, we have come this far, asking anything in this game "would bee too complicated for those poor guys to implement" so let be happy with wathever bone they throw at us.
@@ShinigamiAnger FFS. I'm for one tired of the constant bitching at Fdev for not doing this, or that.
And thrilled, and am highly looking forward to the next offering and beyond. Imma wait until it available before I piss all over the effort.
Worst player base in gaming with the constant crying.
You realize this is a combat ship (PVP). Optional internal was always going to be limited.
People bashing the Mk2 for it's internals are doing it because this is like a popular van or SUV model announcing the next iteration will be a sports car.
If they had just called this ship the Fer De Lance Mk2 or Mamba MK2 none of these complaints would be coming up.
Been watching yer ship reviews. Just finished yer Asp scout one then hit this one up. the little insert on it here made me laugh.
My guess to why it's not a multirole ship is to not make the mk1 obsolete, which would make all the people that invested all the time, effort and money (in-game and real) very unhappy
i have 3 mk1s a miner a bounty hunter a transporter
i do have a mk2 and its ... ok i suppose
Fdev themselves have said it was designed as a combat ship (and particularly to be used in PVP)
Meh but would they mass exit the game in protest or cry on Reddit then go back to playing ? Veryr arely has there ever been so sweeping changes in a video game where the players stop cld turkey in protest where it tanks a devgelopers revenue.
@@davewright8206 So now your Mk 2 might make for a better bounty hunter.
The fuel capacity is atrocious and my dash smoked several times trying to scoop on my trek to outfit it. The handling and the speed are really nice though. Looking forward to trying out bounty hunting.
I've been having a great time with the Mk II, flying it exclusively until it came time to beat up on Hadad. But while its obvious lineage invites comparison with the Mk I, the use cases for the two ships are sufficiently different that I don't see the point. The Python is a multirole ship. The Mk II is not. I love them both and have plenty of use for both.
Agreed there are plenty of use cases for both ships - and the MK1 isn't made obsolete by the MK2 - but I do wonder if it would be better as a standalone, entirely new model of ship - a "Copperhead" as it were (assuming we'd still be running snake names) - that way the inevitable comparisons wouldn't need to be drawn in the first place 🙂
@@gamingsnipsandbits Funny how the YTer never says this in his video all the while trying to directl;y compare the 2 ships but bothers to come down here way into the comments and agree that the 2 ships are not comparable. You really need to amend your video or post a sticky comment to the top of the thread and point out hmost of your video was way off point !!!
It's a thought - but the crux of it is, the ship IS called the Python MK2 - so those comparisons are inevitable. Should it be called something else? Maybe, but then it would probably also need a redesign to remove the visual similarities - at which point, it might as well be an entirely new ship.
Great video.
One thing I don't get is why in all the reviews everybody focuses so much on the prices of stuff, given how easy it is to make money in the game....
Was it not as easy as it is today years ago?
Credits are easy, but for me at least, it's a simple way of benchmarking a ship's worth compared to its rivals - so for example, going off Coriolis, the Mamba is valued at 56mil, compared to the 51mil of the FDL - both are designed for combat, but is the Mamba worth the extra 5 mil? Not really given it's handling, and other shortcomings (despite the increased DPS) so IMO it's on the more expensive end of reasonable. If that makes any sense 😆
It used to be a bit of a pain to make money yeah (even having a billion credits was a lot in like 2015 or so) but currently it's almost trivial. For most players ship and module cost, and rebuy cost, are pretty irrelevant.
For the life of me, I don't understand how these developers overlook immersion when it comes to these spaceships. If a ship has a co-pilot seat or other stations, simply put NPCs in them to give the feel of having crew. They can have simple animations at whatever station they are at and they don't have to do anything else.
Having a lifeless elite dangerous npc next to me with strange facial expressions would greatly lessen immersion for me and for most I imagine. The apex shuttles arent exactly an immersive experience
@@tflp1950 - Um, they don't have to have strange facial expressions, bro. They are NPC models in the co-pilot seat with piloting animations and voice dialogue during combat and handling functions on the ship.
@@parawill7074 Have you seen odyssey npcs?
@@tflp1950 - The NPCs would be specifically for the ship. Ships with multiple seats should have NPC co-pilots for immersion if you hired crew for solo play.
Even NPC's in Starfield can't give immersion u talkig about. Why would this work?
THE SHIP NAME !!!! Monkey Island is goated!!
After naming the MK1 after LeChuck, it felt fitting. Just need more ships to name them after the rest of the characters - like "Murray's Talking Skull" or "Elaine's Island Booty" 😁
I think the mk1 looks much better
This new one is just ugly. Not sleek, not utilitarian, not militaristic. It's somewhere in the bland middle, an uninspired, boring design. They probably asked an intern to do it, a quickie between other tasks.
The downsized fuel tank seems like a really weird decision tbh. It's weird having to scoop every third jump
At least real money for it is temporary.
so im fine waiting
The original plan was to wait until August and see what it's like then - but since hitting 1000 subs, UA-cam tells me that I've done enough for the £9 for the Arx - so figured I'd put it back into the channel 🙂
It's more of an fdl mk2 than a python mk2
I hear it's a great titan bomber
Good video
Why does FDev care about Elite all of a sudden?
They care now because FDEV f’ed up. The lack of care, we as a community for Elite Dangerous have witnessed, also happened in all of their games across the board. FDEV lost, I think, $750 mil in stock valuation slowly after the release of Odyssey but they messed all of their games up. Due to the massive failure they have decided to work on and support their core games in which Elite is one of those core games. They cannot continue to do what they were doing before or they will be out of business. So naturally we are now getting support for Elite.
The ship makes no sense. How does a ship that is physically larger than a python mk1 have a smaller power plant, smaller power distributor, smaller fuel tank, and not even a third of the optional internal space? is the ship hollow? or does the extra 2 utility slots and single extra hardpoint really take up half of the ship?
Why on earth would they put a *smaller* power plant and distributor on a combat vessel? You have to power more things!
So if you bother doing the math on the dimensions between the 2 ships ... you are crying about a basketball court difference between 2 ships that are already nearly ~90 meters long in a video game that has never taken the interior vs exterior sapces into account when building out the game. SO until Frontier bothers to go full Star Citizen and redesign all their spaceshispt o be physcially realistic (as muic as possible); you are crying over pretend bullshit.
Basically this ship is: take the python mk1 remove its best attribute being a very good multi role ship in exchange give a better turn radius.
Seems to me this ship was designed for pvp. Worse general stats in exchange for better pvp stats.
Yes Fdev literally said that themselves my man. You shouldn't have expected a hauling ship
Looks like this ship is built as a fast response interceptor. I gotta wait for a few months to get my hands on it.
The SCO integration really is the selling point of the ship. Everyone is so busy shitting on it because "muh prebuilts", so very few people talk about how much better its handling is in overdrive.
With the SCO boost, I'm slowly getting the hang of using it as a pirate interceptor - spotting a viable target in Supercruise, boosting to get a bit closer, then pulling it out for some looting and scrapping
@@gamingsnipsandbitsthe SCO is also the best anti pirate module to get you out of trouble.
it's ugly like most ships in ED...it looks like a platypus
It’s a pure combat ships that’s better than a mamba and worse than an FDL. Shouldn’t be called the Python Mk2. Probably best to just move your Mamba frag cannon PvP / ganking loadout to this
That’s exactly the situation I’m in with my Mamba. I’m waiting till August for the P MK II. We’ll see…
It's not even close to the Mk1 for exploration. The internals are lousy for it.
WAH WAH WAH ... all these Python Mk II videos are comparing APPLES to BRICKS. The MARK 1 focuses on Mining and Cargo, The MARK 2 focuses on Combat. Tweak however you want. It's a variant with a different Role. The End. Geez.
It isn't a variant as such though - it's effectively a sequel, as dictated by having MK2 in the name, so there will be an automatic assumption that the two are comparable. So that needs to be addressed IMO
In terms of it focusing on combat, that's something I mention in the video - saying it's comparable to the FDL and Mamba - and that it has the potential to have a crack at the FDL's prime spot on the combat pedestal.
I'd argue that the MK1 doesn't focus just on mining and cargo either - it's excellent at those tasks, don't get me wrong, but the MK1 is focussed as a truly excellent multipurpose ship - the swiss army knife of spaceships.
sounds a bit shit really
Nah it's not that bad - it's just not the multirole beast that the MK1 is - unless you mean the audio quality in the video, which is probably the weakest link in anything I've uploaded to here (it's slowly getting better - learning on the job and all that)
Py 2 is a Nerf. Thats the truth of it. Once the new toy joy wears off, that when we'll get the real reviews. Especially from those used real money.
Python mk2 isn't anything special. It can't take a beating. At all. You're dead within seconds once your shields go down, it's lack luster with heat generation. It's power modules are underwhelming by a long, long shot. It doesn't really have the power to be a shield tank. Weapon placement isn't ideal, if you can get to the fact that it's under powered and under gunned, and under shielded. The mk1 will completely outlast the mk2 in any kind of combat, thargoid included. I actually moved on to the conda for combat like I had originally intended. Kinda want my money back tbh.
So they just made a pointless ship like always *coughs* ASP scout DBS and now this cool
I bet they hid it behind some excessive grind
Easier than waiting in line at Hutton Orbital for a free Anaconda.
@@Tamburello_1994 I'd rather wait there than wait 3 months to try it for free for couple hours till I get bored from grind again
Why do you grind if you don't want to? Just play the game and have fun! @@DmytroBogdan
@@DmytroBogdan Elite is not for the lazy.
@@Tamburello_1994 yeah, right, because people play games to feel they're still at their jobs
I don't think that it is a bad thing that it does not powercreep the MK1.
Its a big improvement on the looks of the Python Mk 1 thats for sure
I do love the agility of it. Also loving your videos as always, I have a new channel so here is a sub from that too!
I made a cannon and a frag build of it - let down by dodgy engineering and sleep deprived skill in my videos! I am going to redo them.
Thanks for that, I'll check it out.
I did have a play with a frag cannon build - seemed to work pretty well, but I've never got on on with "regular" cannons - frags work for close up shotgun fun and multis work well for laying into a target repeatedly - but I've never found a good spot for standard cannons that can't be done better by something else.
I was going to buy one until I realised it's only a combat ship
This ship is actually the best cold running titan bomber with shields.
mechan propaganda, please use your head
Sir, Sir. No, Sir. I must protest. You extracted the urine with the Asp Scout. The Asp Scout is the master of High Grade Emissions. It is the best ship in the game for High Grade Emissions. Now, the much lauded Cobra can not claim to be the best ship in the game at anything. It's claim to fame is that it can do everything...badly. This plebe looks forward to kicking the tyres of the Python Mk II in a few months. Can you help me out as you mentioned it? I was massively underwhelmed by the FDL. I used a Huge Multi Cannon Overcharged - Auto Loader and the rest beams, Long Range - Thermal Vent. It just seems to take forever to take a ship down compared to the Python. Sticking to gimballed weapons (can't hit a cows arse with a banjo for Fixed Weapons) what loadout will get the best out of the FDL?
how is the asp scout so good at it?
genuinely curious
Yeah i think the Sidewinder has something to say here @airodgdt3442
The Krait Phantom is the master of all material gathering
Personally I'd drop the auto-loader and replace with corrosive to help drag the hull down quicker if you're after a mix of multis and beams. Or swap it so the Class 4 is a Long Range Thermal Vent Beam and then fill the other slots with corrosive and incendiary overcharged MCs.
I was originally going to mention the Sidewinder at the start, but felt that it gets more use than the AspS - not mocking it at all, just wanted to remind people it exists 😉
Krait Phantom is my exploration powerhouse at the moment - decent range, internals and yet doesn't handle like a drunken beached whale in Supercruise
The Python is the all-around best ship in the game. There is no doubt about it. Everything else is a variant of its glorious abilities
Python w/centered seat and a pointless fighter bay for less cargo? Kr8 mk2
Python with medium cargo capability like a T7? Type 8
Python for pvp? Python Mk2.
Large Python? Anaconda...lol.
Frontier having a designer spend a few hours creating a new ship and changing power play is just another slap in the face to players... Waive bye bye to Frontier... They cooked themselves... 💥