I never got the whole rgb thing. Like wow cool lights! It's like that one house on Christmas that goes overboard. I made the mistake of getting a fan of sale with rgb on it. Looked obnoxious before turning it off. I'd rather have better cooling then Christmas lights.
@@johnnyanton305 Funny thing is, I still have my old Antec silent case, but with some of my recent upgrades, I couldn't avoid getting some parts with RGB, becuse they were good deals, had good specs. So my motherboard has RGB, my PSU has RGB and my CPU cooler is red LED. My case is totally blackout and quiet. lol. The rainbow puke is contained within.
@@bigjoeangel Tell me about it, with the deals coming out for next gen compatible parts, way more than half are rgb. I had to go out of my way three years ago, and a year ago to find non rainbow puke parts at a reasonable price. I might have to do the same on some parts after the holiday season, its a bitch, but not impossible to disable it...if it lets you that is. My problem is I have a huge tower just so I can pack it with cooling these damn space heater cpus, and gpus. It has glass on both sides, so either I have to give up my favorite tower, and buy a new one with plenty air flow that rarely comes in as large as mine or I can't hide it. Building a music/video editing, and gaming monster in one tower is not as convenient as it might sound on paper. With 256gb of ddr4 tho, I'll have to deal with the lights for the sake of needing 128gb of ddr5. This time however, while I will keep the workstation set up going. Its looking more intriguing to go all amd for a smaller build just for gaming, which in all realism I shouldn't need more than 32gb of ddr5 with because gaming at 4k isn't a priority, I'd rather have a gaming monster at 1440p maxed out hdr setting for the next 5 years (hopeful wishing on my part) if I split the rig. Now it just comes to price, at my studios its all Apple because clients in music/film tend to think upon seeing apple products, and equate it to professional gear. I have a mac pro 2013 maxed out still running everything I throw at it audio/music wise and eating it like a champ. A mac mini for the smaller studio just for hip-hop artist (its more walk in based.) And a Mac studio (which I am extremely great ful I waited on getting opposed to the new mac pro, saved me 10 grand plus.) For the more film oriented studio, audio is still done there tho it depends on the work. 2 in one building, and a bigger studio in another town. 4 interns for music production/scheduling/all that (I was lucky to receive a program from the state where students gain credits working for me, and I let them make money on the side if they book clients under the table to record....usually rappers, but shhh lmao they are hard working college kids looking for an industry in, and a place to make their personal creations a reality.) With the addition of a full time engineer who I pay hourly. No film students have applied, most film students are rich around here. So it just comes down to price, I'm not cheap, but I'd rather spoil my kids than look for non rgb parts at full price. Oh and yeah tldr for sure, and it sounds cool, but I'm probably headed to an early heart attack. So a dedicated game machine would be key stress relief, lights or not. Its going to be an expensive holiday season. Decisions.. Decisions. Go to school everyone! Owning a biz like this in the most rude, egomaniacal Industry is legit soul sucking, and being almost 33 I'm sacrificing a lot of living life. It sure does beat a warehouse tho.
@@johnnyanton305 Sounds like an interesting job, I like music myself, mainly metal but I'm not musically creative. Take it easy dude, trust me you need to enjoy life while you are young. In your thirties you're in your prime. I'm 46 and I'm seriously ill with kidney damage.
It would be very interesting to see this exact same test repeated on AM5 and with 8 ~ 12 ~ 16 core 7ooo series Ryzens. Yes I know you can't do that just yet ~
Personally think we'll see even higher frequency and better timing DDR5 memory shortly before or after the release of Intels 13th gen & AMDs Zen 4 cpus.
Absolutely. It has always been this way. CPU manufacturers improve their memory controllers, yields improve on the RAM chips allowing for better binning, and motherboard manufacturers optimise the trace layouts for better stability.
@@slartibartfast2649 this, but I'm rendering 8k fine enough, but I would be lying if I said better ddr5 utilization wouldn't help tremendously. I have to keep the editing very tight I'm 8k, 4k not a problem which is what I'm Scaling it to regardless, but I would like to play around more with the raw 8k beforehand.
Am I the only one who wondered why Bryan had 2 sticks of DDR5 CL36 memory, continually called them CL36 yet his graphs results showed CL40? Typo or did you really test them at CL40? I run the 6200MT/s CL36 Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM with Buildzoid's secondary timing tweaks for SK hynix memory on ASUS motherboard and saw improvements of about 10% (e.g. a tad over 100,000MB/s Read in AIDA64).
I upgraded my CL40 DDR5 5400mhz to CL32 DDR5 6400mhz. I had interesting results like the mouse - 8Khz razer viper polling at 8000mhz is smoother on the 6400mhz. I tested the change in games after upgrading to 6400mhz & well Seems there might of been a bios issues because I had frame issues for a while. A bios update came out so i upgraded from 1505 to 1720 & that fixed the frame issues.
Patriot viper have have 4400 mhz 2x8gb ddr4 kits for about $100 and are relatively easy to get the timings tight in case y’all want to get a good kit at a good price
Great video! I pulled the trigger on these when they were released 2-3 weeks ago but on a 32GB 6400 sticks for my asus Z690 mini ITX build and yes I will be holding off until 4000 series cards. As of right now they work fantastic and they perform like a champ
I have a similar build im currently waiting/saving to get 6600 ddr5 to install it into my Mb and for the 4090 ti to be released next year i currently have a 2080 ti.
Just to let you know, I noticed a huge difference when upgrading my laptop from 16GB DDR5 to 64GB DDR5 (both 4800). For some reason things sped up that I didn't expect to speed up, my gradle builds were about 3 times quicker. When I was playing Fallout 4 an area that took 14 seconds to load up only took about 5 seconds, there was also significant increases in other games load times such as Cyber punk and doom eternal. When I had a DDR4 machine (3600) upgrading from 16GB to 64GB made no noticable difference to any of the above. My current DDR5 macine is a 12th Gen Tetra Deca Core.
Wouldn't games like Factorio be superb for these sorts of tests? I'm not sure how much it would be dependent on clockspeed alone but scaling it with better/faster ram did at least make a noticeable difference with DDR4.
I think DDR5 makes more sense now for an APU build. That’s unless your motherboard requires it or you need fast RAM for workstation apps that rely on it.
I feel like we are entering into the realm of diminishing returns. at least with games tested you can only get so much graphics and speed out of it before you start spending money for not very much improvement.
Help ! The graph shows CL40 instead of CL36. I am trying to get the CL40 6000 MHz because its within my budget. I want to know whether the performance showed is actually of CL40 or is it just a typo.
Thanks for the Test. In my opinion a good Kit is just the starting Point for RAM oc. This might not push your max fps to much but your minimums will become much better. This will also benefit in higher resolutions. Also arent there faster kits already available?
If you want better gaming performance, buy a better graphics card. Trust me. You get much better performance than having high speed RAM. Buy high speed RAM only if you have 3080Ti/3090/3090Ti to get maximum performance. Don't buy high speed RAM if you have 3060, buy 3060Ti instead with slower RAM.
Heavily tuned DDR4 Samsung b-die is still better bet. Patriot Viper Steel 4400mhz kit is really affordable these days. Need DDR5 6000MHz CL30 minimum to beat high end tuned DDR4.
i liked good old gamer's take on this. he also made a video on it like 2 days ago. ddr5 is better depending on the kit and is useful in raytracing for its higher bandwidth if i recall. and depending on the game engine. its worth getting ddr5 eventually
You can already see it happening with Spiderman remastered. The more drawcalls, and raytracing you have to do with the CPU -- the more crucial memory will be.
I got 12900k even after upgrading to 32gb of 6000mhz. I experience choppy gameplay on 240 hz monitor. So it feels like mouse hard to control and there is some slight delay. Anyone have same problem? Tell me How do you fix it?
Another tester omits using 1080p resolution since the benefits there dont need fps in the 300+ fps range. Testing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 pushes the system hard and when in 4k resolution on the test rig went from 81 fps to 85 fps when upping from 5600 to 6000 -both at 36 36 36 76 timing. Thats substantial so i cant wait to get my hands on the C30 36 36 74 that I'm getting to run 4k and VR with it. Using an HP reverb G2 V2 there should be a possibility to tune and reach the 90 fps needed :)
Test tarkov and youll see differences between ddr4 and ddr5. Also most ddr5 6000mhz can do cl32 - cl34 and the latency is heaps lower bringing even better gains.
They still get shit on by DDR4 4000-4200MHz CL14.... You need like CL34 7200MHz DDR5 to beat heavily tuned Samsung b-die high end DDR4. And running DDR5 at 7200MHz CL34 is far from guaranteed. A lot of boards and CPU units have issues to do so. Gotta get lucky with IMC silicon lottery and preferably use 2 dimm DDR5 board to get max performance out of DDR5 right now. DDR4 is much more forgiving in this regard and is easier to squeeze most out of it.
Just watched a similar video on LTT. Their conclusion is, it depends. The game matters, the CPU matters, the GPU matters. Adjusting settings might matter. I think in general when the CPU and GPU both get better so one isn't bottlenecking the other, then portions of a game where you have more data transfers, such as scenes with more assets or is more data intensive to paint a scene are going to need faster memory, and because it's a balancing act between the game, GPU and CPU there isn't a single answer. It will be totally dependent on the system and the games being played on that system, which is why this topic keeps coming up. An answer from 2 years ago is not a good answer today with new hardware and new games.
thats is where i am at right now too. There are too many changes across the board right now . the new systems will not be able to compare to older systems .
You’d have to lock fps, to keep the GPU from being a bottleneck at higher resolutions. These lower resolution tests just cap out the CPU and sometimes the RAM because of the massive amount of fps.
@@Gamevet Right, but that doesn't mean that will have any bearing on needing faster memory. It's all THREE, and at some point in a game memory speed might not matter much but in another part it will so you see different results from different testers when they don't use built in benchmarks. So, even doing what you said doesn't change anything. If anything it means slower memory will work because you capped something, so it's possible need for faster memory is less likely.
@@johndoh5182 That's my point. Nobody needs 400 fps, let alone 300 fps in a game. The fastest monitors stop at @260 Hz. This test only proves that faster memory will allow for the CPU and GPU to draw more (mostly unnecessary) frames. Most people will never notice the difference with their slower RAM.
@@johndoh5182 I'm saying that you are pretty much capped at the refresh rate of your monitor, so seeing the massive results of high speed DDR5 RAM at 1080p, with a high end GPU isn't realistic. My 2 gaming displays are a 1440p/144Hz for my desktop and a 4K/120Hz display for my living room PC. Anything beyond the frame rates of 144 and 120 aren't really beneficial to those displays. You can check out the video that Good old Gamer was referencing with his video. Hardware Unboxed showed the 4K results, which didn't show a massive improvement at that resolution. ua-cam.com/video/xI3gnFgvbV8/v-deo.html
I had DDR5 5600 with a 12700K and 3070 Ti. I overclocked it to 5800 and it really helps the CPU. Reminds me of Intels 4th Gen benefiting from faster RAM more than Clock speed.
Bri. Need to re-run this with DDR5 7600 with CL 36 timings. Team Group has a nice hynix M die kit with tight timings 36-46-46-84. FF3D532G7600HC36DDC01. Unfortunately its $50 more expensive in Australia than the us. Or you could get high end DDR5 6000 kits at CL 30
Any tips on whether higher clock memory would make a big difference for productivity, especially vs higher capacity but lower clock? Audio/video editing/production and other cause uses other than gaming? I've been scouring the internet but can't seem to find a definitive answer on that
"Does DDR5 6000Mhz really matter...?" Will this change after the new CPU generations come? I heard rumors about AMD Ryzen 7000 having a favoured sweet spot of 6000Mhz DDR5 Ram to get its best performance ratio (RAM Speed ratio of 1:1).
Likely won't matter enough to be a decisive factor in the near future (1-2 years). But very recent games like Spiderman Remastered indicated a very clear CPU hierarchy chart. DDR5 is starting to show its potential, but right now you can count the games where it matters within one handful. I don't think it'll matter much until you start seeing UE5 games everywhere and devs go full baller on raytracing/lumen + crowd density max
Corsair has been a big disappointment for me lately. G.Skill however has DDR-5 6000 CL30 not 36. It seems Corsair just can't keep up with the likes of G.Skill . Corsair has consistently higher latency on DDR-5 regardless of speed. It would be interesting to see your benchmarks with tighter DDR-5 timings.
I think it'd be best to use high assets/low res rather than the lowest setting. I suspect the faster RAM would be able to stretch its legs just a bit more.
Ive also managed to fix a DIMM slot by cleaning the CPU socket. I was SHOCKED it worked but my GUESS is that there was thermal paste on the socket pins.
@5:17 "I recommend holding out for the RTX 4090". Sure, but why only for the 4090? Anyone wanting to buy now should hold out for Lovelace, RDNA3, RPL and Zen4. Hold out for all of them and see which is better, they are all coming in 2 about months time. Even if someone wants only current gen, he should hold out since he will get better prices after next gen launches. You should make better and more complete (fair?) "recommendations" if you make them.
@@kajurn791 I agree, still my point stands to nominate all products from all companies, not only RTX 4090... it sounds more like a promo naming only the 4090...
Sea hawks (x) are beast cards. Compared mine to a 3090 and it beat it with a slight oc with far lower temps 44'c/70'c Mem (3080) vs 76'c/105'c Mem (3090). Even the 1080 was a great variant
So Hardware Unboxed actually just did a video on Spiderman Remastered and there was a huge difference between DDR5 and DDR4 when Ray Tracing is turned on
its not like you are going to be able to run the 4000-4800 mhz ddr4 ram on their full speed anyway... You would need a crazy expensive board for overclocking and need high knowledge of how to overclock ram manually with dozens of options and not just "set to profile 1"
I mean you can on 10th gen easily. But getting low timings requires tuning. I had a 4400cl19 kit running 4200 cl16 on a 10700k. On 12th gen you can run about 4000mhz which is pretty good too.
I've tested all types off ram. I found for DDR5 3600mhz 28 cal was best for Ryzen 9 7950x3d. The CPU seemed to run better with that timing. Ryzen claims on its websites 5200mhz so the slight overclocking with lowest cal worked best. As it doesn't get as hot. If ram is too high. The CPU gets hot making it worse for FPS. And you just waisting your money. Its okay if you go with full on liquid cooling. Sure give it a go. But if you just got a standard liquid AIO or air cooler. You better of just slightly overclocking it and give it a lower cal. Otherwise you just making the CPU hotter and performing worse.
For me would be more if DDR4 will fall behind DDR5 soon or not, cuz that would make me consider to stick with my current RAM a few more years, like 2-3 maximum or upgrade in lets say the next half a year, cuz DDR5 may be the future but sure isnt cheap of you count also mobo + cpu + cooler.
Hey, great video! I'm trying to get 64g of this card but I can't find them amd Optimized, they are just 16g per card and I was worded if they have any 32g so I can buy 2 packs
I don't think it's that expensive, especially in the current sales. I just got 128gb (4x32) of 5600MT/s Fury Beast RGB for £614 from CCL (UK), honestly it's barely any more expensive than DDR4
@@Tatusiek_1 Basically all games still run well with 16GB RAM, but I recommend 32GB RAM still to have some extra headroom for background tasks and apps you have open. High end DDR4 still has the better price to performance in gaming than proper DDR5. You need DDR5 6000MHz CL30 at minimum to compete against DDR4 4000-4200MHz at CL14. In fact, in certain scenarios you need well over 7000MHz CL34 to beat that heavily tuned high end DDR4 in latency sensitive games. And to get DDR5 running at such high speed is harder than to get DDR4 Samsung b-die to run at its peak performance. Memory controllers on CPU's are still hit and miss with DDR5 and also 4 dimms with DDR5 is basically a no go for running high RAM frequencies, while on DDR4 you can get away with 4 dimms and still get high frequency OC going on.
Benchmarking for FPS is an easy way to know which memory is the most responsive and has lowest latency overall. Just because DDR5 has high timings doesn't mean it's not as responsive as DDR4. It just has to be compensated by extremely high clock speeds. Which ever kit yields the most FPS has the lowest true latency.
Is it possible to explain DD5 configs for AMD? Because it is mentioned that speeds of 5200Mhz are only achievable for 1DPC and drops to 3600Mhz on 2DPC. And I am like what the hell is 1DPC and 2DPC? And then there's also AMD EXPO RAMs. My smol brain confused AF
6000mhz is just around the corner from being the same as base 2666mhz ddr4 speed in ddr5 land if you consider that 13th gen intel is set for 5600mhz standard memory speed. luumi has been able to hit almost 7000mhz on nearly every ddr5 kit he has. at the moment IMC and motherboard signal integrity is the limiting factor with ram frequency
These benchmarks just proves that despite the performance that DDR5 6000MHz offers, it's not REALLY needed in current gaming or any graphic intense application. Yes it has more FPS in the results, but I don't believe that they are even noticeable to most PC users.
If rumors/leaks are to be believed actually DDR5 6000Mhz is the sweet spot for AMD Ryzen 7000 series, so this video may have been a month or two earlier.
Depends on the game and your setup. I've seen better results on a finely tuned (with secondaries done) CL15 4133Mhz DDR4 RAM vs 7200Mhz CL32 (required watercooling). If you're running all low settings and have high end hardware, it's quite the boost in performance.
Question for you Mr Yes. If you get thermal paste in a Intel CPU socket is it okay/possible to clean it out with something safely? Wondering if it's possible with Isopropyl or not
I've cleaned paste out of a socket with CRC QD Electronic cleaner. Bryan uses something that's a different brand but it's meant for cleaning electronics. He did some videos where he cleaned motherboard sockets with this electronics cleaner and a long brush 2-3 years..... so I would say to check out his old videos.
Well , i guess DDR5 6000 mabe 6400 will be best for Zen 4 it will run in 1:1 mode with relativly low lateny , if you play with the Timings you can optimise quite a bit . It will be interesting to see if Zen4X3D can run with relativly cheap DDR5 4800 Kits nearly as fast as with more expensive DDR5 6000 Kits , we have seen this behavior with the 5800x3d and DDR4 3200 cl 14 nearly the same as DDR4 3800 cl16 . Maybe the 50-100$ savings with the 32 GB Ram kits will offset the higher price for a V-Cache CPU . As a Gamer i would wait for Zen4 with V-Cache anyway , i expect 10 - 30 % more FPS in most Games .
Just FYI, when I upgraded my DDR4 machine from 16GB to 64GB, I didin't notice any differenct, but when I upgraded a DDR5 machine from 16GB to 64GB I noticed a huge difference.
I got a kit of 2x8 Patriot Viper Steel 4400 CL19 on an auction a couple of months ago on eBay for $60 shipped that absolutely screams, no need for DDR5.
i have Z690-A PRIME DDR5 but my vengeance RGB DDR5 6000mhz doesn't sync with motherboard in ASUS Armoury crate, also XMP1 only work on slot 2 and 4 for me, can you help me, my bios ver is latest one at this time 2204
Next gen systems is when we'll see DDR5 pull ahead of DDR4. DDR5-7000 kits will be hitting the the market while timings of DDR6-6000+ kits are continuing to improve damn near every month now. Redo these test 6 months from now on the newer hardware & the difference will be considerable.
Agreed... I think the entire PC market is also trying to scramble to get memory that's competitive with Apple Silicone... The M1, and now M2 is really throwing a wrench in the works. While flagship CPUs can compete with, and sometimes outperform Apple CPU and GPU capabilities, nothing touches their RAM.
DDR4 4400Mhz CL18 kits are pretty cheap these days. You can tune them to roughly CL15 4000Mhz, or if you're game then try 4133Mhz. Depends entirely on the game & setup. I wouldn't touch DDR5 yet, personally.
I dont have that premium of a build but i got 32gb and games i play use all of that so i need to upgrade to 64gb but the ddr 5 6000mhz is only 28 AUD more expensive than 64gb ddr4 at 3200mhz so i might aswell just get the ddr5
Did you use 3600 CL18 to just show a cheap bog standard ram set? I was able to get 3600CL18 ram tuned to 3600 CL16 without loosening any of the timings, basically for the asking, also this was 4 sticks so dual ranked.
I'm all in on DDR4 ram. Very good kits are available at reasonable prices which you can then tune. You then have to ask yourself if those extra few frames from DDR5 are worth $50 USD per frame? The speed advantage of the DDR5 is mostly eaten up by the Huge deficit out of the box of the DDR5 in latency.
The short answer is yes at 6000 you get more. If you’re getting a DDR5 motherboard. Why not since it’s about the same money. I got 2x16 DDR5 6400 CL 34 for 200 USD.
Man this was wasted. Should have done more benchmarks with different settings at different res. 1080 low alone does not cut it. We want to see how it stacks up with real life test
I wouldn't call the video a waste because there are too many muthf'ers that think DDR5-5200 is way better than DDR4-3600. (Check the comments section in the Testing Games video for the 7700k vs 12100f However I agree with you on testing using real world settings....b/c there are people that think they'll get the same gaming performance with a RTX 3060 at 1080p High settings or at 1440p, which is also untrue.
The RGB really helps push those FPS to the max, especially in a case with no window. Keeps the photons in see.
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I never got the whole rgb thing. Like wow cool lights! It's like that one house on Christmas that goes overboard. I made the mistake of getting a fan of sale with rgb on it. Looked obnoxious before turning it off. I'd rather have better cooling then Christmas lights.
@@johnnyanton305 Funny thing is, I still have my old Antec silent case, but with some of my recent upgrades, I couldn't avoid getting some parts with RGB, becuse they were good deals, had good specs. So my motherboard has RGB, my PSU has RGB and my CPU cooler is red LED. My case is totally blackout and quiet. lol. The rainbow puke is contained within.
@@bigjoeangel Tell me about it, with the deals coming out for next gen compatible parts, way more than half are rgb. I had to go out of my way three years ago, and a year ago to find non rainbow puke parts at a reasonable price. I might have to do the same on some parts after the holiday season, its a bitch, but not impossible to disable it...if it lets you that is. My problem is I have a huge tower just so I can pack it with cooling these damn space heater cpus, and gpus. It has glass on both sides, so either I have to give up my favorite tower, and buy a new one with plenty air flow that rarely comes in as large as mine or I can't hide it. Building a music/video editing, and gaming monster in one tower is not as convenient as it might sound on paper. With 256gb of ddr4 tho, I'll have to deal with the lights for the sake of needing 128gb of ddr5. This time however, while I will keep the workstation set up going. Its looking more intriguing to go all amd for a smaller build just for gaming, which in all realism I shouldn't need more than 32gb of ddr5 with because gaming at 4k isn't a priority, I'd rather have a gaming monster at 1440p maxed out hdr setting for the next 5 years (hopeful wishing on my part) if I split the rig. Now it just comes to price, at my studios its all Apple because clients in music/film tend to think upon seeing apple products, and equate it to professional gear. I have a mac pro 2013 maxed out still running everything I throw at it audio/music wise and eating it like a champ. A mac mini for the smaller studio just for hip-hop artist (its more walk in based.) And a Mac studio (which I am extremely great ful I waited on getting opposed to the new mac pro, saved me 10 grand plus.) For the more film oriented studio, audio is still done there tho it depends on the work. 2 in one building, and a bigger studio in another town. 4 interns for music production/scheduling/all that (I was lucky to receive a program from the state where students gain credits working for me, and I let them make money on the side if they book clients under the table to record....usually rappers, but shhh lmao they are hard working college kids looking for an industry in, and a place to make their personal creations a reality.) With the addition of a full time engineer who I pay hourly. No film students have applied, most film students are rich around here. So it just comes down to price, I'm not cheap, but I'd rather spoil my kids than look for non rgb parts at full price. Oh and yeah tldr for sure, and it sounds cool, but I'm probably headed to an early heart attack. So a dedicated game machine would be key stress relief, lights or not. Its going to be an expensive holiday season. Decisions.. Decisions. Go to school everyone! Owning a biz like this in the most rude, egomaniacal Industry is legit soul sucking, and being almost 33 I'm sacrificing a lot of living life. It sure does beat a warehouse tho.
@@johnnyanton305 Sounds like an interesting job, I like music myself, mainly metal but I'm not musically creative. Take it easy dude, trust me you need to enjoy life while you are young. In your thirties you're in your prime. I'm 46 and I'm seriously ill with kidney damage.
It would be very interesting to see this exact same test repeated on AM5 and with 8 ~ 12 ~ 16 core 7ooo series Ryzens. Yes I know you can't do that just yet ~
AMD already said that DDR5 6000 gonna be Zen 4 "Sweet Spot". The same when Zen 2 came out and AMD said the DDR4 3600 was the "Sweet Spot" for it.
I wonder if that sweet spot can be oc'ed like zen 3, bring that infinity cache a bit higher for 6200 Mhz
Reviewers are gonna get their benchmark kits soon
Get 6000 MT memory with CL 30/32 for best gaming performance.
Personally think we'll see even higher frequency and better timing DDR5 memory shortly before or after the release of Intels 13th gen & AMDs Zen 4 cpus.
Absolutely. It has always been this way. CPU manufacturers improve their memory controllers, yields improve on the RAM chips allowing for better binning, and motherboard manufacturers optimise the trace layouts for better stability.
All this is marketing. No human eye cares about 300 fps.
@@BrainLeisure I don't care about games, but some production applications I use are very sensitive to RAM speed and latency.
yep..ddr5 just not worth it at the moment.
@@slartibartfast2649 this, but I'm rendering 8k fine enough, but I would be lying if I said better ddr5 utilization wouldn't help tremendously. I have to keep the editing very tight I'm 8k, 4k not a problem which is what I'm Scaling it to regardless, but I would like to play around more with the raw 8k beforehand.
Am I the only one who wondered why Bryan had 2 sticks of DDR5 CL36 memory, continually called them CL36 yet his graphs results showed CL40? Typo or did you really test them at CL40?
I run the 6200MT/s CL36 Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM with Buildzoid's secondary timing tweaks for SK hynix memory on ASUS motherboard and saw improvements of about 10% (e.g. a tad over 100,000MB/s Read in AIDA64).
I think the lows is probably the best bit to look at as some small boosts in the lows can be big.
yeah 34 vs 24 is massive
I upgraded my CL40 DDR5 5400mhz to CL32 DDR5 6400mhz. I had interesting results like the mouse - 8Khz razer viper polling at 8000mhz is smoother on the 6400mhz. I tested the change in games after upgrading to 6400mhz & well Seems there might of been a bios issues because I had frame issues for a while. A bios update came out so i upgraded from 1505 to 1720 & that fixed the frame issues.
Plz give some money lol
Patriot viper have have 4400 mhz 2x8gb ddr4 kits for about $100 and are relatively easy to get the timings tight in case y’all want to get a good kit at a good price
Great video! I pulled the trigger on these when they were released 2-3 weeks ago but on a 32GB 6400 sticks for my asus Z690 mini ITX build and yes I will be holding off until 4000 series cards. As of right now they work fantastic and they perform like a champ
I have a similar build im currently waiting/saving to get 6600 ddr5 to install it into my Mb and for the 4090 ti to be released next year i currently have a 2080 ti.
@@juanfermin8173 if you’ve got the mini ITX board from asus I know that XMP profile only goes up to 6400MhZ, I’m not sure if it’ll go higher then that
@@Chiefhao yeah you're right .
I just got a 6400 cl32 32gb 2x16 kit from Corsair... at 135€. I plan on keeping the computer for around 10 years, and I think i made the right choice.
Just to let you know, I noticed a huge difference when upgrading my laptop from 16GB DDR5 to 64GB DDR5 (both 4800). For some reason things sped up that I didn't expect to speed up, my gradle builds were about 3 times quicker. When I was playing Fallout 4 an area that took 14 seconds to load up only took about 5 seconds, there was also significant increases in other games load times such as Cyber punk and doom eternal. When I had a DDR4 machine (3600) upgrading from 16GB to 64GB made no noticable difference to any of the above. My current DDR5 macine is a 12th Gen Tetra Deca Core.
You would've seen the same result had you gone for a 32gb ddr5.
16gb is okay but for big tasks 32gb is perfect.
anything above is a waste imo
idk man feels more like your SSD is doing the work
It's all in this guy's head it's all placebo affect
Wouldn't games like Factorio be superb for these sorts of tests? I'm not sure how much it would be dependent on clockspeed alone but scaling it with better/faster ram did at least make a noticeable difference with DDR4.
So glad I chose a z690 with DDR4.
I think DDR5 makes more sense now for an APU build. That’s unless your motherboard requires it or you need fast RAM for workstation apps that rely on it.
I'm going to be on my highly tuned ddr4 3200 cl14 b die kit for at least another 5 years lol
I OC’d that kit to 3733 cl14 @ 1.5v getting 52ns latency. It’s a great kit
I feel like we are entering into the realm of diminishing returns. at least with games tested you can only get so much graphics and speed out of it before you start spending money for not very much improvement.
Help ! The graph shows CL40 instead of CL36. I am trying to get the CL40 6000 MHz because its within my budget. I want to know whether the performance showed is actually of CL40 or is it just a typo.
That's an extra 16 FPS with better 1% lows as well. I think that's classified as a decent gain while gaming.
Thanks for the Test. In my opinion a good Kit is just the starting Point for RAM oc. This might not push your max fps to much but your minimums will become much better. This will also benefit in higher resolutions. Also arent there faster kits already available?
If you want better gaming performance, buy a better graphics card. Trust me. You get much better performance than having high speed RAM. Buy high speed RAM only if you have 3080Ti/3090/3090Ti to get maximum performance. Don't buy high speed RAM if you have 3060, buy 3060Ti instead with slower RAM.
Heavily tuned DDR4 Samsung b-die is still better bet. Patriot Viper Steel 4400mhz kit is really affordable these days. Need DDR5 6000MHz CL30 minimum to beat high end tuned DDR4.
How does RAM affect performance at higher graphics settings? Wouldn't there be more data for RAM to push through?
i liked good old gamer's take on this. he also made a video on it like 2 days ago. ddr5 is better depending on the kit and is useful in raytracing for its higher bandwidth if i recall. and depending on the game engine. its worth getting ddr5 eventually
It has all happened before,from ddr2 to ddr3 to ddr4 and so on.
You can already see it happening with Spiderman remastered. The more drawcalls, and raytracing you have to do with the CPU -- the more crucial memory will be.
why low settings
I got 12900k even after upgrading to 32gb of 6000mhz. I experience choppy gameplay on 240 hz monitor. So it feels like mouse hard to control and there is some slight delay. Anyone have same problem? Tell me
How do you fix it?
That 1% low though
Another tester omits using 1080p resolution since the benefits there dont need fps in the 300+ fps range. Testing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 pushes the system hard and when in 4k resolution on the test rig went from 81 fps to 85 fps when upping from 5600 to 6000 -both at 36 36 36 76 timing. Thats substantial so i cant wait to get my hands on the C30 36 36 74 that I'm getting to run 4k and VR with it. Using an HP reverb G2 V2 there should be a possibility to tune and reach the 90 fps needed :)
Test tarkov and youll see differences between ddr4 and ddr5.
Also most ddr5 6000mhz can do cl32 - cl34 and the latency is heaps lower bringing even better gains.
They still get shit on by DDR4 4000-4200MHz CL14.... You need like CL34 7200MHz DDR5 to beat heavily tuned Samsung b-die high end DDR4. And running DDR5 at 7200MHz CL34 is far from guaranteed. A lot of boards and CPU units have issues to do so. Gotta get lucky with IMC silicon lottery and preferably use 2 dimm DDR5 board to get max performance out of DDR5 right now. DDR4 is much more forgiving in this regard and is easier to squeeze most out of it.
Just watched a similar video on LTT. Their conclusion is, it depends. The game matters, the CPU matters, the GPU matters. Adjusting settings might matter. I think in general when the CPU and GPU both get better so one isn't bottlenecking the other, then portions of a game where you have more data transfers, such as scenes with more assets or is more data intensive to paint a scene are going to need faster memory, and because it's a balancing act between the game, GPU and CPU there isn't a single answer. It will be totally dependent on the system and the games being played on that system, which is why this topic keeps coming up. An answer from 2 years ago is not a good answer today with new hardware and new games.
thats is where i am at right now too. There are too many changes across the board right now . the new systems will not be able to compare to older systems .
You’d have to lock fps, to keep the GPU from being a bottleneck at higher resolutions. These lower resolution tests just cap out the CPU and sometimes the RAM because of the massive amount of fps.
@@Gamevet Right, but that doesn't mean that will have any bearing on needing faster memory. It's all THREE, and at some point in a game memory speed might not matter much but in another part it will so you see different results from different testers when they don't use built in benchmarks.
So, even doing what you said doesn't change anything. If anything it means slower memory will work because you capped something, so it's possible need for faster memory is less likely.
@@johndoh5182 That's my point. Nobody needs 400 fps, let alone 300 fps in a game. The fastest monitors stop at @260 Hz.
This test only proves that faster memory will allow for the CPU and GPU to draw more (mostly unnecessary) frames. Most people will never notice the difference with their slower RAM.
@@johndoh5182 I'm saying that you are pretty much capped at the refresh rate of your monitor, so seeing the massive results of high speed DDR5 RAM at 1080p, with a high end GPU isn't realistic. My 2 gaming displays are a 1440p/144Hz for my desktop and a 4K/120Hz display for my living room PC. Anything beyond the frame rates of 144 and 120 aren't really beneficial to those displays.
You can check out the video that Good old Gamer was referencing with his video. Hardware Unboxed showed the 4K results, which didn't show a massive improvement at that resolution.
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I had DDR5 5600 with a 12700K and 3070 Ti. I overclocked it to 5800 and it really helps the CPU. Reminds me of Intels 4th Gen benefiting from faster RAM more than Clock speed.
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@@budgetking2591 prob Auto-correct
Bri. Need to re-run this with DDR5 7600 with CL 36 timings. Team Group has a nice hynix M die kit with tight timings 36-46-46-84. FF3D532G7600HC36DDC01. Unfortunately its $50 more expensive in Australia than the us. Or you could get high end DDR5 6000 kits at CL 30
So the chart says the 600mhz is at cl40, but you say its tuned at cl36. Which is it? Kinda makes a difference.
i mean 20 fps doference in FN DX11 would mean closer to a 50 fps diference if it was performance mode competitive settings
Will DDR5 be a huge benefit on Zen 4? I know it's required but surely a brand new CPU can take advantage over it even more?
Straight to the point! Love it. No talking and benchmarks!
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Any tips on whether higher clock memory would make a big difference for productivity, especially vs higher capacity but lower clock? Audio/video editing/production and other cause uses other than gaming?
I've been scouring the internet but can't seem to find a definitive answer on that
GDAY MATE…GOOD TO SEE AN AUSSIE DOING TECH REVIEWS..AND BUILDS……SUBSCRIBED
I have the same ram but had to reduce de frequency to 4000mhz because of random blackscreens and my graphics card not being detected
I need help , at first i thought it was the psu
"Does DDR5 6000Mhz really matter...?"
Will this change after the new CPU generations come? I heard rumors about AMD Ryzen 7000 having a favoured sweet spot of 6000Mhz DDR5 Ram to get its best performance ratio (RAM Speed ratio of 1:1).
nope...1:1 how?
3ghz If? are u kidding us?
Likely won't matter enough to be a decisive factor in the near future (1-2 years). But very recent games like Spiderman Remastered indicated a very clear CPU hierarchy chart. DDR5 is starting to show its potential, but right now you can count the games where it matters within one handful.
I don't think it'll matter much until you start seeing UE5 games everywhere and devs go full baller on raytracing/lumen + crowd density max
@@Knebebelmeyer Those are the rumours, but obviously take that with a grain of salt.
The rumors were right :p
Corsair has been a big disappointment for me lately. G.Skill however has DDR-5 6000 CL30 not 36. It seems Corsair just can't keep up with the likes of G.Skill . Corsair has consistently higher latency on DDR-5 regardless of speed. It would be interesting to see your benchmarks with tighter DDR-5 timings.
I would like to see those g.skillz benchmarked against these corsair to see how much the lower Cas would help out
There are some videos Corsair gets more fps vs g skill
I think it'd be best to use high assets/low res rather than the lowest setting. I suspect the faster RAM would be able to stretch its legs just a bit more.
Ive also managed to fix a DIMM slot by cleaning the CPU socket. I was SHOCKED it worked but my GUESS is that there was thermal paste on the socket pins.
Is 4000mhz cl18 fast for a ddr4 16gb stick?
that is very fast for ddr4, cl16 is a bit better than cl18 though.
ddr4 is the way for gaming , we dont need more speed on the ram if we have a dedicated gpu
dont waste your money boys
Why don’t you show us how 4000-4100 cl14-16 performs in gear 1 dual rank. It will outperform the 6000 kit
Yup.
i thing it matters most for the upcoming Ryzen especially. There is leaks it will matter a lot. Not so much Intel or old Ryzen.
I thought the 6000 memory ram have a latency of 36, but in your graphs you showed cl40... i am confused
Ram probably didn’t be stable at those timings so probably went 40-40-40-76 timing at 6000
But the point for DDR5 6000 is the infinity fabric sweetspot
Excited for my 7800mhz kits
@5:17 "I recommend holding out for the RTX 4090". Sure, but why only for the 4090?
Anyone wanting to buy now should hold out for Lovelace, RDNA3, RPL and Zen4. Hold out for all of them and see which is better, they are all coming in 2 about months time. Even if someone wants only current gen, he should hold out since he will get better prices after next gen launches.
You should make better and more complete (fair?) "recommendations" if you make them.
xx60 and xx70 GPUs will not be out at 40 series release. So these 2 months could easily be 4 or even more.
@@kajurn791 I agree, still my point stands to nominate all products from all companies, not only RTX 4090... it sounds more like a promo naming only the 4090...
Sea hawks (x) are beast cards. Compared mine to a 3090 and it beat it with a slight oc with far lower temps 44'c/70'c Mem (3080) vs 76'c/105'c Mem (3090). Even the 1080 was a great variant
and with cl36 from the start of the video? i see that appears on the bios etc. but on the graph?
So Hardware Unboxed actually just did a video on Spiderman Remastered and there was a huge difference between DDR5 and DDR4 when Ray Tracing is turned on
its not like you are going to be able to run the 4000-4800 mhz ddr4 ram on their full speed anyway... You would need a crazy expensive board for overclocking and need high knowledge of how to overclock ram manually with dozens of options and not just "set to profile 1"
I mean you can on 10th gen easily. But getting low timings requires tuning. I had a 4400cl19 kit running 4200 cl16 on a 10700k. On 12th gen you can run about 4000mhz which is pretty good too.
This video makes me feel like ryzen 7000 reviews are coming soon
I've tested all types off ram. I found for DDR5 3600mhz 28 cal was best for Ryzen 9 7950x3d. The CPU seemed to run better with that timing.
Ryzen claims on its websites 5200mhz so the slight overclocking with lowest cal worked best. As it doesn't get as hot. If ram is too high. The CPU gets hot making it worse for FPS. And you just waisting your money. Its okay if you go with full on liquid cooling. Sure give it a go. But if you just got a standard liquid AIO or air cooler. You better of just slightly overclocking it and give it a lower cal. Otherwise you just making the CPU hotter and performing worse.
Would have been nice to also see some productivity benchmarks, and if that RAM benefited those...
Have you heard about TDR ram Triple Data Rate TDR5
For me would be more if DDR4 will fall behind DDR5 soon or not, cuz that would make me consider to stick with my current RAM a few more years, like 2-3 maximum or upgrade in lets say the next half a year, cuz DDR5 may be the future but sure isnt cheap of you count also mobo + cpu + cooler.
Hey, great video!
I'm trying to get 64g of this card but I can't find them amd Optimized, they are just 16g per card and I was worded if they have any 32g so I can buy 2 packs
I don't think it's that expensive, especially in the current sales. I just got 128gb (4x32) of 5600MT/s Fury Beast RGB for £614 from CCL (UK), honestly it's barely any more expensive than DDR4
Ddr5 only makes sense if you need high capacity ram. The problem is gaming doesnt really need more than 16gb of ram
@@Centrioless debatable, depends on the game, certain games benefit from more ram
@@Tatusiek_1 Basically all games still run well with 16GB RAM, but I recommend 32GB RAM still to have some extra headroom for background tasks and apps you have open. High end DDR4 still has the better price to performance in gaming than proper DDR5. You need DDR5 6000MHz CL30 at minimum to compete against DDR4 4000-4200MHz at CL14. In fact, in certain scenarios you need well over 7000MHz CL34 to beat that heavily tuned high end DDR4 in latency sensitive games. And to get DDR5 running at such high speed is harder than to get DDR4 Samsung b-die to run at its peak performance. Memory controllers on CPU's are still hit and miss with DDR5 and also 4 dimms with DDR5 is basically a no go for running high RAM frequencies, while on DDR4 you can get away with 4 dimms and still get high frequency OC going on.
It is your og vids man pls pls bro do a win11 optimization guide
Broken memory should be covered under the lifetime warranty…. Should it not?
and here i am chillin with my 16gb 2667
I think we need to not look at frames and maybe more responsiveness and latency
Benchmarking for FPS is an easy way to know which memory is the most responsive and has lowest latency overall. Just because DDR5 has high timings doesn't mean it's not as responsive as DDR4. It just has to be compensated by extremely high clock speeds. Which ever kit yields the most FPS has the lowest true latency.
Can you overclock these even further?
Yes man extracting that performance 👍 👌
Pls bro do a windows 11 optimzation guide from clean installation 2022
Is it possible to explain DD5 configs for AMD?
Because it is mentioned that speeds of 5200Mhz are only achievable for 1DPC and drops to 3600Mhz on 2DPC.
And I am like what the hell is 1DPC and 2DPC?
And then there's also AMD EXPO RAMs. My smol brain confused AF
6000mhz is just around the corner from being the same as base 2666mhz ddr4 speed in ddr5 land if you consider that 13th gen intel is set for 5600mhz standard memory speed.
luumi has been able to hit almost 7000mhz on nearly every ddr5 kit he has. at the moment IMC and motherboard signal integrity is the limiting factor with ram frequency
These benchmarks just proves that despite the performance that DDR5 6000MHz offers, it's not REALLY needed in current gaming or any graphic intense application. Yes it has more FPS in the results, but I don't believe that they are even noticeable to most PC users.
If rumors/leaks are to be believed actually DDR5 6000Mhz is the sweet spot for AMD Ryzen 7000 series, so this video may have been a month or two earlier.
Depends on the game and your setup.
I've seen better results on a finely tuned (with secondaries done) CL15 4133Mhz DDR4 RAM vs 7200Mhz CL32 (required watercooling).
If you're running all low settings and have high end hardware, it's quite the boost in performance.
Question for you Mr Yes. If you get thermal paste in a Intel CPU socket is it okay/possible to clean it out with something safely? Wondering if it's possible with Isopropyl or not
I've cleaned paste out of a socket with CRC QD Electronic cleaner. Bryan uses something that's a different brand but it's meant for cleaning electronics. He did some videos where he cleaned motherboard sockets with this electronics cleaner and a long brush 2-3 years..... so I would say to check out his old videos.
I'd like to see igpu ddr5 performance difference vs ddr4
Hey Brian love the content always. Can you start including valorant in your tests? Cheers
Well , i guess DDR5 6000 mabe 6400 will be best for Zen 4 it will run in 1:1 mode with relativly low lateny , if you play with the Timings you can optimise quite a bit . It will be interesting to see if Zen4X3D can run with relativly cheap DDR5 4800 Kits nearly as fast as with more expensive DDR5 6000 Kits , we have seen this behavior with the 5800x3d and DDR4 3200 cl 14 nearly the same as DDR4 3800 cl16 . Maybe the 50-100$ savings with the 32 GB Ram kits will offset the higher price for a V-Cache CPU . As a Gamer i would wait for Zen4 with V-Cache anyway , i expect 10 - 30 % more FPS in most Games .
Just FYI, when I upgraded my DDR4 machine from 16GB to 64GB, I didin't notice any differenct, but when I upgraded a DDR5 machine from 16GB to 64GB I noticed a huge difference.
Gotta do Dual rank vs single rank DDR5 vs DDR4!!!
dual rank test and then single rank test. Even 2 sticks and 4 sticks!
Small difference and thats at 1080p low settings which no one is gonna do these days with that kind of system.
need to use 3600mhz cl16 or cl14 because those timing much better than 3600 cl18
I got a kit of 2x8 Patriot Viper Steel 4400 CL19 on an auction a couple of months ago on eBay for $60 shipped that absolutely screams, no need for DDR5.
HELP any way to get a ram slot to recognize my .ram? It work in first 2.slots. last 2 they are dead
6:32 Check if the RAM has a lifetime warranty and try to RMA it.
No, because I can't use cheap Xeons on it yet.
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Man, how you make that wooden wall.
6000+ gives you a boost that matters,but now 6400,6600 are to expensive.
I have crucial ballistix 3600MHz at 4400 ,I'm so excited
i have Z690-A PRIME DDR5 but my vengeance RGB DDR5 6000mhz doesn't sync with motherboard in ASUS Armoury crate,
also XMP1 only work on slot 2 and 4 for me, can you help me, my bios ver is latest one at this time 2204
You made me so happy after seeing how good 3600 cl18 is.
now imagine 4000Mhz CL14...
But I have a choice of 6000 MHz CL30 vs CL36, this makes me wonder if it matters ?
not much difference between cl30 and cl36 go with which one is cheaper
tell me if theres finally coming an ddr5 7200mhz cl16 that ui can actually sync it with cpu
6000? Why. They have 6600 now at cl34 and 6400 at cl32
Why ain't no testing out slower cheaper ddr5?? Always 6000 plus
Next gen systems is when we'll see DDR5 pull ahead of DDR4. DDR5-7000 kits will be hitting the the market while timings of DDR6-6000+ kits are continuing to improve damn near every month now. Redo these test 6 months from now on the newer hardware & the difference will be considerable.
Agreed... I think the entire PC market is also trying to scramble to get memory that's competitive with Apple Silicone... The M1, and now M2 is really throwing a wrench in the works.
While flagship CPUs can compete with, and sometimes outperform Apple CPU and GPU capabilities, nothing touches their RAM.
DDR4 4400Mhz CL18 kits are pretty cheap these days. You can tune them to roughly CL15 4000Mhz, or if you're game then try 4133Mhz.
Depends entirely on the game & setup. I wouldn't touch DDR5 yet, personally.
hell even most 3200cl14 kits will do 4000cl16 or 3800cl14
@@budgetking2591 Only certain b-die and they are discontinued.
I dont have that premium of a build but i got 32gb and games i play use all of that so i need to upgrade to 64gb but the ddr 5 6000mhz is only 28 AUD more expensive than 64gb ddr4 at 3200mhz so i might aswell just get the ddr5
Did you use 3600 CL18 to just show a cheap bog standard ram set? I was able to get 3600CL18 ram tuned to 3600 CL16 without loosening any of the timings, basically for the asking, also this was 4 sticks so dual ranked.
I'm all in on DDR4 ram. Very good kits are available at reasonable prices which you can then tune. You then have to ask yourself if those extra few frames from DDR5 are worth $50 USD per frame? The speed advantage of the DDR5 is mostly eaten up by the Huge deficit out of the box of the DDR5 in latency.
They all use shitty D4 sticks to make D5 look better 😂
G.Skill ddr 5 6000mhz Cas 30 is the one to get for 300
The short answer is yes at 6000 you get more. If you’re getting a DDR5 motherboard. Why not since it’s about the same money. I got 2x16 DDR5 6400 CL 34 for 200 USD.
Man this was wasted. Should have done more benchmarks with different settings at different res. 1080 low alone does not cut it. We want to see how it stacks up with real life test
I wouldn't call the video a waste because there are too many muthf'ers that think DDR5-5200 is way better than DDR4-3600. (Check the comments section in the Testing Games video for the 7700k vs 12100f
However I agree with you on testing using real world settings....b/c there are people that think they'll get the same gaming performance with a RTX 3060 at 1080p High settings or at 1440p, which is also untrue.
DDR5 get the SK Hynix chips, the Samsung B-die for DDR5s
this is the Best comparison video i have seen on ddr5 great job easy to understand and straight to the point
I'm running 7000c30 tweaked with 12900k and Apex. 6000cl36 is soooo slow!
Would like to see this again when Ryzen 7000 series comes out
did you see it again?