What if you met... you?
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- This is easily one of the strangest Psych of Plays I have ever done. And yet, I’m extremely proud of it. It’s spooky and I ask some strange questions. I hope you enjoy it.
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▶Games Shown
Hollow Knight (2017) - Team Cherry
NieR: Automata (2017) - PlatinumGames
World of Horror (2019) - Panstasz
Dead Space (2008) - Visceral Games
Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1996) - Nintendo
Kid Icarus: Uprising (2012) - Sora Ltd.
Control (2019) - Remedy Entertainment
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (2004) - Retro Studios
BioShock (2007) - 2K Games
Blade and Sorcery (2018) - WarpFrog
Oculus First Contact (2016)
Blood Trail VR (2019)
Here They Lie (2016) - Tangentlemen, Santa Monica Studio
Resident Evil Village (2021) - Capcom
OMORI (2020) - OMOCAT, LLC
Doki Doki Literature Club! (2017) - Team Salvato
▶Clips/Movies/Anime/TV Shown
The Prestiege
Austin Powers
The Dark Knight Rises
Naruto
Insidious
Tom and Jerry
Spongebob Squarepants
Doctor Strange
Superman III
Samurai Jack
Bruce Almighty
Pan’s Labyrinth
If I Stay
Other clips and considerations:
• Doppelganger
▶Music Sources:
The Prestige Score - The Transported Man
Alpha Room & Krosia - The Heights
Kurotokage - Threads
Hollow Knight OST - The Shade Theme
Eeyore - flickering
alacazam - Dark Ambient Music Four
TSII - Descent
Dark Ambient Drone - Patrick Lieberkind (No Copyright Music)
Undertale OST - Shop (Genocide version)
Klea - Sunshine
The Prestige Score - Are You Watching Closely
▶Research Articles Cited
When You're Visited By A Copy Of Yourself, Stay Calm
www.npr.org/sections/krulwich...
Seeing double: Why some people have out-of-body experiences or hallucinate about their doppelgänger (exerpt from Anil Ananthaswamy’s book ‘The Man Who Wasn’t There’)
scroll.in/article/902126/seei...
A Virtual Out-of-Body Experience Reduces Fear of Death
journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
Out of Body, Loss of Self: Spiritual or Scary?
www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/11/11/...
Out-of-body experience in virtual reality induces acute dissociation
psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-5...
The Experimental Induction of Out-of-Body Experiences
www.neuro.ki.se/ehrsson/pdfs/...
#PsychofPlay - Ігри
So apparently I need to play Soma 🤔
Agreed🙏
A videogame essayist that hasn't played soma? It's like a priest who hasn't read a book from the bible
And The Swapper.
i watched a vid on this before there was a driving game where youre chasing someone but youre actually controlling the person youre chasing! heres the vid ua-cam.com/video/mC8QoRa8y_Q/v-deo.html
The guy from Castlevania?
This may be a weird anecdote, but- I'm a vtuber, I've spent almost a year now doing videos using some basic motion-capture to depict myself on-screen as a cartoony lil animated character. I've edited videos for hours looking at this as myself, spent time refining the controls to represent my movements properly, and done tons of streams where people treat it as if it were me. My younger sibling came over, about 9 months or so into doing this, and asked to see my setup and how it worked. I obliged, turning the program and camera on to show them how I did it- but the camera latched onto them, not me, for tracking the motions. There was this moment where something felt just... extremely unsettling, where one second I was watching myself on-screen, and then the next, someone else was puppeting 'me' around, wearing my 'self'. It was disorienting and strange- and it made me realize how much that animated avatar had become attached mentally to me as an extension or representation of myself. I ended the lil demo pretty quickly after that and we went back to hanging out and playing video games, but there's something to that feeling- inventing a new self, identifying with it, and then seeing it puppeteered by another- that reminded me a lot of the OBE stuff here.
that's really interesting
Honestly, that's a really fascinating story, and one I'd love to know if other Vtubers have experiences with.
I'm trying to imagine who uneasy and uncomfortable it would be, feeling someone puppeteer my "created identity" that has literally become part of me mentally around, innocently, and how.... vulnerable(??) I'd probably feel if that were to happen.
For me, the closest reference point I have is my psychosis, and the fact that it sometimes feels like I have another "soul" inhabiting the same body. So I kind of tried to write down what it would be like if suddenly, he was to be puppeteered by someone physically next to me, who isn't ME, like they're somehow literally in my head. It's hard for my mind to physically to imagine that, so writing it kinda helps I think. But, the thought chills me regardless, even if somehow, the scenario was completely "innocent".
I hope maybe that what I said makes some semblance of sense, since actually visualising that seems absolutely impossible for me right now(??)
Regardless! Thank you for sharing; genuinely added even more intruige to a video that fascinates me as an idea!
Wow that's... weird, but honestly completely what I would expect. If you do spend so much time being this other 'you', then yea, even though someone else technically CAN pilot it, seeing that would be unnatural. I like to write, and I imagine that seeing someone else write my characters, especially well, would feel the same to a lesser extent.
Honestly, this could be a genius thing to do to mess with a VTuber in a game. Maybe have it so there's streaming functionality for a VR game, so that you can have a computer pick up a different perspective. Let them add in their own model for that feature, and just... let it run. Let them go through most of the game, then, when just about everyone forgot about that detail, have their model do something. Either the stream version of it starts moving differently, or another instance shows up. Surprise.
Interesting experience.
woah
One game that also does this is Stanley Parable. For the whole game, you play in 1st person as Stanley, controlling what he does; however in one of the endings, you suddenly get pulled out of Stanley's body, watching Stanley just lifelessly stand there as the narrator desperately tries to get him to make a decision. Pretty apt for a game about meta and free will.
OH, DID U GET THE BROOM CLOSET ENDING? THEB ROOM CLOSET ENDING WAS MY FAVRITE!1 XD
The Mariella ending got me BAD for a similar reason
I am very interested in the differences between men and women in what they would do if they met their doppelganger. If I met myself we would F**K!! Hell yeah I've always wanted to be friends with someone or date someone like me! I think men are far more likely to want to k*ll their double. I think it's just hardwired in men from millenia of battle and fighting for survival to want to dominate. I asked my husband and he said he would kill his doppelganger for sure. I asked why and he said because he doesn't want his double taking over his life. But why is he so sure his double would want to backstab him immediately? Is it because that's what he would do if he was a double? Try to steal the originals life? Because I would definitely trust my doppelganger if I met her. We would for sure work together to make life easier and better for us both! We could take turns going to work, doing housework etc. It would be a lot of fun!
the other Stanley's you can see walking through the window also does the job lol
That game is insane
Also, there is a very small percentage of seeing another Stanley through the glass in the office
I once had a friend say to me once “Hey omg I think I found your doppelgänger!”. It was the most surreal experience. He was apparently the lead singer of a small indie band and he looked so much like me that some pictures I literally couldn’t comprehend how it WASN’T me. Like, I knew it wasn’t me but it was uncanny. Everything from the clothes to the faces he made while singing. It was me. The only obvious difference was the way we kept our sideburns. Mine were squared off while his were more unkempt. I even tricked my parents by showing them the pictures we found from their band facebook page of him singing and they got mad at me for not inviting them to “my shows”. This was years ago now and I’ve changed quite a bit since then. And I doubt they’re still together as a band but I still occasionally wonder about him and kick myself for not reaching out. But then I remember why I never did. If I got a private message from him first I’d be worried he was trying to kill me.
it's entirely possible that he could've laughed it off as a funny coincidence but it would probably be seriously uncomfortable from his perspective to get a random message from someone who looks exactly like him
bro doesn't remember the days he blacked out and became someone else 💀
A missed opportunity to take photos of yourself doing things he didn't remember doing and send them to him just to mess with his mind
@@CharlesLeeBay Hindsight is (frustratingly) 20/20
😂👍
This reminded me the moment you face Red in Pokémon Gold. When you play the 1st gen games, you notice Red is quite the silent protagonist, and it works really well because it serves as a vessel for the player to inmerse in the world of Pokémon.
Years later, you get to see him again but instead of being under your control he's staring back at you, almost as if you're facing an older version of yourself. That's what make the Red encounter so memorable to me.
oh, so Daryl haven't played SOMA yet.
...it would be a privilege to see him doing a playthrough.
I think someone actually suggested that on one of his streams!
@@PikminBak I did, yes. XD
I was gonna comment on my surprise to no see SOMA in the examples, makes sense if he hasn't played it yet!
I'd watch that
@@micheller3251 What’s SOMA?
If the meme "Don't trust anyone not even yourself" was taken seriously.
That is why i have a mental password, for time shenanigans stuff. :D
I think the character's decision to immediately kill his double speaks more about who he is than anything else this scene might say. Especially given the context of what he does with the machine afterwards. There's a whole hell of a lot to read into there as well.
You should have just kept the screen black when saying "you" at the end so the only thing the viewer would see is their own reflection. That would have made this amazing video even more mindfucky.
"... or embracing your partner?"
*Good thing I'm not in a relationship* 😎😎😎
I guess your double would be embracing YOU.
How would you feel if you woke up and you were being cuddled by yourself and then yourself whispered "Good morning, love" to you?
It reminds of that Back to the Future parody where Marty keeps travelling back in time, and more and more Marties have sex with his mother
/watch?v=4l6AbCFHX2c
@@AdamTheGameBoy At that point, I stare them in the eyes and then ascertain if I'm awake. When I realize I am, I roll out of their arms and go back to sleep because it's genuinely too early for this-
@@AdamTheGameBoy surprised, then happy. since I imagined that one already
Yeah, that'll most likely never be a problem for me.
Here's my two cents on the "twin/clone" thing. I think it heavily depends on what your life is like. Not who you are. What your life is. Because here's the thing for me. I was born with a genetic disease that caused me to have several accidents, and as a result, I'm permanently disabled and in excruciating chronic pain, every single minute of my life. I also live in a country where you can't access guns, so it kinda removes that instinct out of you instantly. If I happened to find my clone in my house, I instinctively, deeply, intimately know that the first thing I'd do would probably be to start bawling immediately. I don't have a very supportive family around my illness and disability, and the isolation it causes means I have good friends, but only online ones. I'm a chronically alone and lonely person, in a world of pain every day, who has next to no support system and, most importantly, no one who can relate to my experience who I could confide in and just for a moment, feel like someone understands. Do you see where I'm going with this?
I guess it kinda crosses paths with the subject of representation, as this is something I'm fairly sensitive to. Knowing there's someone out there like me, be it IRL or in media, has always had a big impact on me. So I guess a clone would be just that but more. And if it's an actual identical clone, with memories and feelings identical to mine, why would I fear it? We're in the same boat. I know what they live with every day, and they do as well. They'd be my best friend, not my enemy. That's just what I assume anyways. But if your life is drastically different from mine, if you know you have anger issues, or violent tendencies, or you're a reformed person, I can see why you'd be wary at the very least. That's why I said I think it depends on your life experience. Just my two cents!
I'm in a somewhat similar situation, but meeting myself would very quickly grate on me. Because of my limitations, having 2 of me making mess and being generally useless (I know, I know, everyone has value and nobody should talk about themselves so negatively, but I am objectively useless, it's a fact I've accepted) would make me quite angry. I have enough to deal with already. But I've always preferred to be occasionally lonely than settling for a better than nothing solution. I never craved being understood even though I never have been, perhaps one of those can't miss it if you never had it situations.
and this is why human services (therapy as the main example) are a thing. Yes, "meeting yourself" is a complex subject, and i can entirely see your perspective, but at the same time, it could also be called a form of self reflection. As impossible as it seems to fully understand oneself, the act of self reflection is often the key to internal peace. Seeing the pain of yourself from a third person perspective gives it a sense of scale, and a doppelganger forces that third person perspective. Retaliating against a doppelganger means there is some part of yourself you hate, and the primal reaction forces you to acknowledge it. This really is not the right place to go in depth, but trying to process the implications of doppelgangers is quite the mental exercise that puts our own mortality in the spotlight.
@@cullenlatham2366 I think trying to boil it down to "we hate things in others that we see in ourselves" is an over simplification, even if that other is a duplicate of ourselves. People are more than capable of understanding and respecting themselves and still disliking objective faults without it going any deeper, and there is no peace to be attained by understanding yourself with all your flaws. There's nothing romantic about looking at yourself really clearly and admitting that you're not actually special, just like everyone else. As for seeing your pain reflected in another giving it scale, you've obviously never lived with chronic pain lol. The scale of the pain and the limitations that come with it are blatant in every waking moment. Even dreams are sometimes a reminder of the scale, as you put it. You have to face yourself every day, as well as how this world just isn't built for people with disabilities and physical limitations. I also think talking therapy is a bunch of hogwash, but I guess it depends how much you believe that the person sitting silently across from you as you endlessly complain about things you can't change isn't just as messed up as everyone else. There are no breakthrough moments of clarity, real life isn't like the movies.
I would feel pitiful, sad, and sorry that someone else would have to feel the pain of my life, and hope to help them. I'm not the easiest of folks to help, I don't even know how to help me, and I'd be so horribly saddened that my pain is not only my own.
If anyone has to live with a mind like mine, it would be my mercy to give them a gun, but I'd also want it myself, so I can't say for sure who would live on in my life.
I think it's a great thing to wonder about, the doppelganger, but it's hard to truly answer, and even harder to know why you do anything without deeply reflecting on who or what you are, and what circumstances made you that way.
@@mydogeatspuke yes, it is an oversimplification, but that is mostly due to the restrictions of the format and the complicated nature of the subject. Part of the violent reaction that inspired the video has to come down to an element of self reflection (though i will admit i dont have the context he was kind enough to withhold). Seeing a doppelganger as a threat is a direct result of a lack of trust. If you cannot trust a doppelganger of yourself, it means you cant trust yourself, likely for some repressed reason that requires self reflection. THAT is why i called it a form of self reflection, as it forces the question of "why". The way you react at least partially indicates what you think of yourself. I am also speaking on the broad scale in this case, and not so much on the particular anecdote. The example that inspired the video was a no hesitation murder, and without some more context that would re-contextualize the act, i can only see a deep seated self loathing involved from the lack of hesitation.
I dont have a problem with the skepticism, but therapy exists for a reason. If it did not help people, it would not exist. I am no expert, but i am studying human services in one of my classes this semester. Talking to a silent face is only a stereotype, and human service is far more complex and varied. As for the peace of mind that comes from understanding yourself, it is again something i cannot speak on as an expert, but at least from my own experiences and view, i perceive myself as more in tuned with all that i am more than the average, and with it comes the freedom to not stress over how others perceive me. The small scale, and likely closest ive gotten to an out of body experience, comes in the form of removing myself from my emotions. Maybe i am seething, or maybe i am depressed, but if i can ask myself by name why i feel the way i do in the scenario, i am forced to take a step back and acknowledge the petty reasons my negative mood has lasted as long as it did, leading to a clarity that can often bring me out of the negative emotional state.
Yes, i have to concede that i have been lucky enough not to be crippled with chronic overwhelming pain, but that does not mean i cannot attempt to empathize with the plight of others or attempt to lend emotional support. Keep in mind that the "psych" in "psych of play" stands for psychology, the study of how our brains process information. I was simply trying to offer a different perspective that could explain the difference between "i trust my doppelganger to share my pain and understand my suffering" and "i would impulsively and without hesitation kill my doppelganger because there cant be 2 of me." Look at the broad concept of the conscious and unconscious mind, as there are studies exploring the interaction between the self we dont know or actively suppress, and the self we do know and understand in the domain of ourselves. Pretty sure austin has touched on the concept in his "control" game theory episode, and i feel like the same could be said of videos on this channel, though i am blanking on the exact videos.
for me, the most unsettling moment in a game where i saw "myself" was the first portal game. In the beginning where you step in and out of the portal for the first time. (probably just because i was really young at the time) but looking over and seeing "myself" not in a mirror or another model of me but "me". It freaked me out more than any other part of the game.
That was pretty scarey beary!
I think herobrine also falls in the doppelganger category, since a lot of people used the default skin (steve), I could only imagine what it would have felt like to see yourself in the distance in your minecraft world. You thought you were alone in this reality, in this infinite world, but you are not. It is capable of what you are capable, it can modify reality in the same ways you can modify reality, and since you know yourself, it scares you.
First of all this video is one of your most captivating videos it kept my interest at max the whole video. I believe what makes this effect so scary, to the people in the examples you mentioned is the fact that we as humans are special and that we are used to the fact that there is no other thing that is the same as us, when it's broken it feels genuinely like your own body betrayed you.
Thanks so much Aaron! I'm really happy with this one. Totally agree as well with the betrayed thing. There was a little research about identity and "oneness" that I almost included, but tbh it was so scarce I just let it be. Such an unsettling little topic
I'm curious whether identical twins are impervious to this feeling of unease given that they live with someone extremely similar to them all their lives, or whether they'd still feel that unease?
@@jirue i think that's why most twins try to differenciate from each other while growing up, so they can have their own identity and by extent have their own sense of self
Well no, in fact no one is special. Each and every trait you have is shared by at least hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of other people around the world. As such, I wouldn't be too shaken if I met a clone of myself.
@@ltb1345 Personally I have to disagree, while yes it is true that by the world having 7+ billion people a lot of traits are shared between people, but that does not mean you look, think, speak, do the same way as all those people. The reason we relate to people is because we have similarities and that's a good thing but it doesn't mean that we are exactly the same, if this was the case then people wouldn't be amazed by how people make things, talk or feel. Our experiences shape who we are, and from the day you're born no one has the same experience in life as you have. Sorry for getting psychological.
What if there was a game where there was a disconnect between the player and their actions? They unknowingly switch between two identical characters without even knowing it. When one character is being controlled, the other is doing things in the story the player isn't aware of. Characters refer to actions the other character did as if you did them, and become confused when you deny it. It could be an interesting mystery with elements of horror.
the new Toby Fox game “Deltarune” actually explores that theme in a way
Pathologic *kinda* does it. You can choose one of three characters to play, but the other two still exist in the world, and do the worst options you are given when playing as them
it would be interesting (assuming said game had a minimap) if it set the waypoint for your “house” at a slightly different location to the actual hous when playing the other person, maybe. right instead of a left.
A player at some point might notice, “hey wait a sec, how it my house moving sides?” abandon the path the map insists is true, and end up confronting the doppelgänger by chance
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria arent you sure you dont have dissociative identity disorder?
It isn’t done for horror and more as a plot twist, but this is basically what happens in AI The Somnium Files Nirvana Initiative. The switching between two identical characters thing is to trick the player into thinking they’re playing the events of the game in chronological order.
with facebook/oculus and other VR companies using face and eye tracking they can recreate your face. They could easily have VR games in the future where one of your enemies, or the one haunting you is... YOU. heck they could even do something similar to Spec Ops The Line where they could use faces from your friends list, your real friends and use them as enemies or allies. freaky to think about but it would be kinda cool
What specifically is Spec Ops doing here? I don't care about spoilers. I know the big twist already.
@@ginge641did you find out?
@@ginge641they are talking about near the end of the game where your two mates in the game become the faces of the enemies so whichway one time shoot the enemies but look now they have ya mates faces on from real life ah
@@kodyplithakis5885 What does this have to do with the friends list?
It's so interesting to me that people try to induce out of body experiences while people like me who suffer with derealization/depersonalization find the experience deeply traumatizing. There's nothing scarier than feeling myself lose my grip on reality and not be able to stop it.
It depends on the person. It hasn’t bothered me for years, and it’s fine for people to try to experience altered states of mind.
I likewise have these kinds of experiences without wanting or trying to and it's not infrequently torturous. I go deeper intentionally pretty regularly. The thing is, not recognizing myself in the mirror, not possessing an identity, not interacting with the world through experiences of things happening to me-they're not inherently painful. I want to recognize myself, possess an identity, interact with the world through experiences of things happening to me though, and when that option is ripped away from me, or slowly fades away until I notice it's totally gone, it's horrifying. Inducing more intense forms of it when I have the choice not to is a way of regaining agency; going with understanding and intention into the states that break me with what is absent is a way to declare that I do not want, do not need a self or to be a person-to choose having no sense of control and demonstrate to myself that the main thing hurting me (and diminishing actual control) is the desire to recognize myself in control, to feel as if.
I once had an out of body experiment while playing piano. It was strange because it was during a performance (one that was recorded, too) where I had to get into a flow to be comfortable. And so when I got into that flow state, my mind started wandering and suddenly I didn't feel like I was playing the piano, but instead was watching myself play from behind. It was only a brief moment and it ended when my flow state ended and I had to actually think about what I was doing lol.
That's fascinating! Thank you for sharing.
I've had similar moments as a therapist. If I get really tuned into a client, I will sometimes feel like my ego is dissolving. At that point, I feel like I simultaneously embody every part of the moment between my client and I. It's like a play, and I'm participating in every moment as it takes shape. But at some point, my involvement stops being a conscious process, and starts being just one part of a moment with a life of its own. At that point, my body is just one of the set pieces.
I think that's called Disassociation.
Ah yes the "flow state"
I had it once while playing monster hunter freedom unite, when it triggered, i was no longer the "player" i was the hunter, dodging and retaliating each attack of my adversary flawlessly for a few seconds
@@Azure9577 this is why I love video games, non-gamers will never understand what it is to truly get immersed in a virtual world. You forget you're just some guy playing Xbox and become the Master Chief himself. It's good to forget 😏
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria damn right, nothing beats getting immersed in a good story and feeling the characters emotions yourself!
I think my favourite doppelganger moment of video games is one the first video game doppelgangers ever; Prince of Persia (the 1989 one) has you jump through the mirror, and then your *soul*, as a palette swapped double, runs away, and you have to confront it by the end of the level. but you can't hurt it, because you're hurting yourself in the end. the solution? sheathe your sword and step to join bodies, to become one again. it's a literal out of body experience that is finished by being non violent and embracing yourself. it was my very first moment of ever seeing doppelgangers in media, and it's just perfect to this day for me.
omg celeste reference‼️‼️
Tbh, when I first saw your "doppelganger" in Deepnest in Hollow Knight, I wasn't really spooked cause I wasn't even sure if it was supposed to be you or just another member of the same species, due to the dead sibling in Greenpath and the Broken Vessel boss.
As someone with a background in philosophy, I think your explanation as to why an OBE might be terrifying for some has its validity. Existentialist thought suggests that individuals feel like they are no longer in control of their lives because their uniqueness and individuality are threatened. The doppelganger effect seems to propose similar challenges to one's identity, especially in the presence of a complete clone. While I can't speak for the person who jumped out of a building to "become whole," I suspect they did so out of feelings that they owned the lived experiences of the body, and felt invalidated when they appeared to be disassociated with their body.
It's not a one-to-one example, but I think losing all your save data from every video game you played and having it go to stranger's console loosely captures what I'm attempting to convey: you may have the cognitive memory of playing each game, but if nobody you talked to _believed_ that you played them, you would be helpless and unable to prove your experience. They don't talk about doppelgangers, but Foucault's _Discipline and Punish_ and Kafka's _The Trial_ are interesting philosophical pieces that explain existentialism.
Idk, to me it feels like I'm not unique. I'm unique in the most grounded sense. I'm literally unique but I'm not special. A second me would make me not unique but I'm the same level of specialness.
I'd kill me for sure but that's because there's only one girlfriend and I don't share. And I know he will think the same thing. So there's only room for one of us. But besides that I have no reason to murder myself. If he was a complete clone except he lost his love for my gf, I'd let him live and tell him he's free of all the responsibilities I am shackled by. He doesn't have to live up to my mom's expectations from coming to this country. He doesn't have as much to lose imo. And if he ever needs a place to crash, he's me so legally it's our house.
In a related, but actually opposite vein, much of Eastern Philosophy actually tout the belief that you are not at all in control, that you are in effect a passive observer of all of life
@@SuperNeospace you say that as if you wouldn't both think you're the original.
Also, is giving something to yourself sharing?
A more pragmatic approach is needed, when you consider all the implications of existence of other you and what that may mean overall to the existentialistic questions of human consciousness.
Fretting over wanting to be the only one is foolish, as foolish as wishing for some great impossible opportunity without large ambition behind it.
Imagine the future of illegal or legal bioengineering, where cloning would be of normal occurrence if possible.
And how would that affect the value of human life and labor.
Personally If I met a doppelgänger I wouldn’t attempt to get rid of it but also preserve my ego and consider myself detached from it.
Consciousness is such a bullshit topic tbh.
It's not the same. It would be the same if we talked about a 'doppelgänger replaces you' kinda deal. But when the doppelgänger and you exist at the same time it's just like having a clone or twin really. The doppelgänger doesn't own your life simply because you do. They just own a body that's like yours, memories like yours and a name like yours. It does not invalidate your identity because you never stopped existing. It's like when all your savegames are _copied_ onto anothers console but you still have them and nobody can tell who actually played them and the other person is just as good of a player with just as much appreciation for those memories of hours of gaming like you. And really, sure, that's a tough situation to share something as intimate as your memory and life and it needs some in depth discussion but why would the presence of a copy invalidate you? That would mean that your presence invalidates your copy and why would you feel threatened by an invalid copy? You wouln't.
You should play Soma, they get it pretty spot on and it's genuinely harrowing.
Im surprised he didnt mention that game, I would say that it conveys the doppelganger effect better than some of the other examples used
@@Skyjengi Psych of play Soma stream?!
A slightly less ominous example: Some players in Dark Souls invade other player's worlds as a copy of their character (usually with hacks, or less often by targeting specific streamers.) It can definitely be a jolt, for all the aforementioned reasons.
lol I guess that is a thing. Happens to me all the time if I play a game where you pick a character and then someone picks your color scheme of the character. The rarer the color scheme is and the more you use it, the more impactful it seems to become.
@@keeshuunedited5678 In this instance, they went beyond copying the color scheme and copy the character's name as well
One game that I feel captures this effect is Outer Wilds. At a certain location in the game, you hear your own oxygen tank breathing, so you walk towards it and out of the darkness walks you, and you vanish before you can realise what just happened. It's a neat little jumpscare that shook me way more than I expected.
This reminds me of a video about 2nd Person Point-Of-Views I watched not to long ago. In it, they talked about the game Driver San Francisco and how one of the final missions gave them a real out of body feeling because of they way it's set up. The level is a basic car chase mission but the twist is that you get to view it from the perspective of bad guy chasing your character while at the same time controlling your character's car to try to get away the bad guy/you at the moment.
It's a really strange example, but one that does the out of body perspective pretty well
oh yeah I know that video too
What a great example - it was an EA game, right? About someone in a coma?
I believe it was Nick Robinsons video about Driver: San Francisco
I was gonna comment with this. That feels like it would be such a trip to play honestly.
Oh yeaaah I remember that one dang forgot about it till now
There's actually a favourite game of mine that *kinda* does this do a decent extent; The Turing Test.
It starts as a run of the mill Portal-but-X puzzle platformer but:
- At one point, your trying to go in one direction, but the player characte appears go be going in another direction.
- Later, there's a moment when it switches from first-person to third-person, in one of my favourite twists in any game (double duty as a plot twist and a mechanic introduction)
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Further context: *SPOILERS*
So, you start the game playing Ava, who has to go through these very contrived puzzle chambers in order to reach the the people who've locked themselves in the base. Ava is acompanied by an AI named TOM, who she regularly has dialog with. Around the second act of the game, you start getting communique from one of the other humans, telling Ava that TOM is secretly manipulating her via an implant; this is where the fight-for-control moment happens. Eventually, you're convince to enter a farraday cage to rid yourself of TOM's control... except you instead get an out-of-body experience as your view bets ejected out of Ava's body, and you're now watching everything through a security camera: you weren't playing Ava, you were playing TOM controlling Ava. This also introduces a new mechanic for the remaining puzzles, so it's by far my absolute favourite plot twist in any game ever.
Wow
Oh man, The Turing Test! I'm playing that right now (I don't mind spoilers, though), and it's always great to see someone else enjoying it!
That is brilliantly meta!
Bruh..
This video always makes me think of how much I want to hang out with a copy of myself. Some people would kill a copy of themselves, but I feel like being/having a copy of myself would give me someone to interact with in a way I never could with anyone else. I would be able to talk about anything and they would also be able to talk about it bc we’re the same. For me a “doppelgänger” is a dream and not a nightmare!
One of the big issues is.. logistics and identity of course
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt well I assume we would be separate identities with the same brain, so if they don’t know something but I’m interested and already know stuff about it, then they’d probably also be interested in it. It’d just be really easy to talk and stuff
@@zerareota1560you would be seperate entities with the same identity. Not that that has any inherent negative effect, it probably could though
@@IAmTheRealHim yeah that’s basically what I was thinking
This reminds me of the bloody mary effect, when you look in a mirror for an extended period of time it can cause dissociation like this! I don't know how common this is but I know my brain hates it when I look in the mirror for too long LOL, definitely an irrational feeling of dread like someones has taken my skin.
This video made me uneasy, its really good
It's a real disturbing optical illusion, but your eyes just aren't meant to stare for long periods of time, especially in the dark. The brain keeps looking for context, trying to use its knowledge of patterns to peice an image together, so it usually ends up creating something terrifying.
@@CrescentUmbreon I tried it a long time ago and after a while of staring I had an “episode” if you want to call it that. The room was well lit I was just looking at my face a foot or so from the mirror. The episode happened when I blinked and the reflection didn’t blink with me. Obviously you can’t see yourself blink in a mirror, so when you do blink and you don’t see the reflection opening it’s eyes at the same time as you, you get a weird sensation. I found it interesting and that was about all that happened from that.
Lmao, I felt like my own face wasn't my own for most of my life. Like I was wearing someone else's skin. It's a really uncomfortable effect when your brain registers you as puppeting a body that is somehow "not you"
Anyways, I've been on hormones for a year now and I can now look at my own reflection and see. Me, the way I always envisioned myself❤
I managed to turn off image recognition this way. I stared at myself in the mirror for a while and suddenly I stopped seeing a face and instead saw an incredibly ugly meaty chunk with two small yolky apertures and irregularly formed pieces attached to it (still my face, but from a purely geometric point of view). I then went on to walk around my room and it felt as if I was looking at a pretty colorful painting, but none of this made sense, it felt flat and chaotic in a way. I then, curious, opened a book and instead of seeing word 'automatically' saw a bunch of squiggles that I only could recognize as aligned in a rectangular pattern. Thankfully, it was easy to bring back normal object perception, I just had to consciously remind myself what the things around me really were, but the moment of losing facial recognition was deeply unsettling, because it felt as if someone had swapped you for an alien suddenly (and a grotesque looking one).
@@solsystem1342ohh that’s so cool that you’ve began hormones (almost two years ago now lol), I relate to not feeling like yourself and not recognising the body in the mirror as yourself as I’m also trans (I began a month ago and already feel so much better) 🤍
It feels like you're trying to equate two different sensations here:
1: You still have a conscience, and you still can feel what you reach out for, but there is another person who looks identical to you; while they may have stolen your life and may be mystically bonded to you, they are, essentially, a completely different entity.
2: You are outside of yourself; although you can largely see as yourself, instead of say, touching a wall and it registering as a solid object, you feel what the the soulless husk that looks like you reaches out for: nothing. You are essentially a ghost, having lost all ability to communicate with other beings besides through the husk you're puppeteering.
I think he started with the undertale idea (of having an obe and fighting yourself) and worked the rest of the video around it. So it's not so much a problem with him thinking they're the same thing, but of video structure. Or at least that was my takeaway.
Agreed, and it's a tad annoying because i feel wholly differently about it depending on the situation:
If i were to encounter someone who i know is a clone of me i would be chill, they're me and i've decided to be chill thus they will be chill and we can work together presumably effortlessly.
If i were to encounter someone who just looks like me, i would be freaked the fuck out because i don't know who they are and why they look like me or why they exist at all.
And lastly the out of body experience would just result in profound dread, maybe with a freakout at first.
@Swed neck I'm not so sure it would be immediately chill if you came across your clone with no context. I imagine it would be like how people react to the hollow knight one where you feel curious and confused at first, and then only after obtaining the context for the situation would you become "chill."
@@Kjf365 yeah that's fair, though i still think my reaction would more be dread mixed with bafflement, since both of us would immediately go "what the hell".
I believe the argument is that if you have an OBE _and_ identify yourself as another self specifically, it would be similar to meeting a doppelgänger. But if you simply feel dissociated then yes it’s a different thing.
I suffered from a disassociation episode when I was in my teens and I experienced this third person feeling it was one of the most frightening and dreadful experiences ever i wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy
Disassociation is the worst feeling in the world. I went through it a few years ago.
3:34 "He's just standing there... MENACINGLY!"
I know it might not have been everyone's experience, but I played Metroid fusion when I was younger. I really felt like I was Samus running around on the screen, but the terrifying moments where your doppelganger was on screen hunting you down, I felt like that was me but from a darker universe. I legitimately thought it was the version of me that would shoot my creation for fear of what I'd done, hunting me down throughout the space station. With how closely I identified with the pixels on screen that represented Samus, the X-Parasite looking identical really fucked with me emotionally. For a little while I felt like I couldn't trust myself because to me, I was hunting myself. If I couldn't trust myself, how could I trust me?
Now I still feel shivers down my spine anytime I see it, but I also have a better understanding of the games I play and don't attach so heavily to the characters I play.
I feel the same whenever I play online and see a character look exactly like mine with an almost identical username, it's uncanny
we can actually see the Knight's clone earlier in Deepnest as well, just in the room before the long fall into the Hotsprings room
This video is quite troubling. I really really like it. The dissociation of the self is a really interesting concept and makes me wonder if the concept of the self is merely an illusion we tell ourselves to maintain a sense of objectivity within the world. Considering how psychodelics can affect this feeling of self to the point where it no longer exists that might have to do with it.
Secondly I wonder how, if at all, these sorts of concepts affect people growing up with identical twins! They literally have an exact copy of themselves (at least physically if they kept similar appearances) from birth and I wonder if this concept of "self" and dopplegangers affects them differently. Perhaps it's even stronger as they struggle harder to find an identity of self? Maybe it affects them less because they're just used to it? Curious subject this one.
Exactly! Identical twins definitely will have a thing or two to say about this one haha, but being a twin is literally all they've known their entire lives right? So for them, I'd imagine the mentality behind their identity is a little different. Seeing someone look exactly like them is "normal" ya know? For the rest of us, not so much haha. Looking forward to seeing some of those folks comment on this one.
I really want to see people's responses. This was something I always wanted to ask identical twins but felt it was rude. It probably kinda is but since we have the topic rolling already...
"The dissociation of the self is a really interesting concept and makes me wonder if the concept of the self is merely an illusion we tell ourselves to maintain a sense of objectivity within the world."
It could be possible after all our sense of reality is already filtered and processed through our brains.
After all the brain does have quirks or shortcuts in how it processes information which can be seen with stuff like inattentional blindness where people can miss something obvious and out of place right in front of them if they are focusing on some task. There is also optical illusions that take advantage of the brains shortcuts about perspective and shadows and such and using it to judge objects. The brain usually does a good job but it is far from perfect and it is quite good at filling in the blanks so it can ve very difficult to notice the imperfections or shortcuts the brain uses to process and deal with all of the information it constantly receives.
Perhaps the sense of self is also a shortcut or some trick of the mind to more easily process and use the information about the world
@@JoViljarHaugstulen I think that's the case personally. I believe it has something to do with making sense in conjunction with our tendency to create stories containing agents with intentions. It's confusing as heck but interesting nonetheless.
Hiya, I’m not an identical twin, but I am a fraternal twin! I’ll share a little: growing up, people often got us confused with each other, called us the wrong names, and a lot of the time we were treated more of a package deal rather then two separate people. Being treated as interchangeable or not as two distinct people really irked me. It might have to do with humans wanting to be seen as a unique person. Being a twin isn’t a bad thing, but it definitely can mess with your self-esteem: not being seen as a unique person, but only seen as part of something else. I can imagine this effect is even worse for triplets, quintuplets, etc., especially if they’re identical. It’s a really interesting thought though, hopefully some identical twins can chime in with their thoughts ^^
I once had a dream in which I was running down a long white hallway. As I turned a corner, I ran into an exact copy of myself and I remember feeling that very specific spook. At first I thought I almost ran into a mirror, but our movements just didn't quite line up, and I realized it was another me. It was quite spooky. I woke up right after that lol
I had a dream I was making out with chocolate icecream, and things escalated from there
Daryl: "It's almost as if our identities break unless they're wholly unique and singular..."
Me: "Good luck, I'm behind 7 AT Fields."
After playing Outer Wilds for a long time and only seeing a few other souls in the solar system. I came across a "glitch" where I saw myself in-game. This is as close as I've ever been to an out-of-body experience. It was wild =p.
i thought about that as well during this video! what a moment
Favorite lines of dialogue in that game is when you are talking to yourself and both of you just go "AaaAAAaaAaaAAAaaaAAAa"
@King of The Zinger outer wilds, not outer worlds
Spoilers. I know this comment is older, but it doesn't hurt to edit it. Just say spoilers, then enter down a few lines to make it so people have to click "Read more" to see it.
I felt that "yeah, fuck that" at 12:04 a little too much. Don't want to imagine what that would be like in VR, let alone a real out of body experience in general. Never considered how unsettling it might be. I guess you also might've ruined the fantasy of having a clone of myself around. Anyways, good video, couldn't believe how fast those 18 Minutes were actually over.
I choose to believe I would still be friends with my clone. My resolve will not be shaken.
Though I never considered they might appear in my life or house without my knowledge or consent.
@@NoiseDay I respect your integrity, king. 👑 With that kind of attitude, anything is possible.
@@NoiseDay hey if you're willing to share with them there's nothing to fight over
@@NoiseDay i'm more concerned on what others will think once they find out, because they def will
I consider an "out-of-body" experience to be so hyperfocused and immersed with something that you channel out most things and distractions. When I get pulled back into reality, feel a fuzzy warm lightness in the front of my head as a whole and my vision darkens before quickly restoring itself just as fast.
"Man, seeing a person who looks exactly like you must be a nightmare!"
People with twin sibilings: 😐
The hollow knight moment was the first moment I thought of. And experience that moment blind when the game came out not knowing what would happened gave me a real out of body experience yelling "what the actual hell is happening". I hoped it was another sibling or a npc that was atleast something nicer then deepnest. But with deepnest being deepnest it was always a lingering just go back, don't follow it. Yet, i followed it, with dread.
What happens at that point? I want spoilers.
same, give us answers please
Please tell us!
I've experienced a similar dissociation like this due to the effects of coming off medication I was talking at the time. Ended up 'hanging' the other me in the shed (which turned out later to be a pillow). It was ended by police and later paramedics sedating me and taking me to hospital.
I found it deeply disturbing and would have panic attacks whenever it happened again afterwards. Wouldn't want to willingly inflict that on myself playing a video game!
I’ve experienced different levels of dissociation and out-of-body experiences in real life. I think a game that plays with those effects would both be fascinating and unsettling.
"He wanted to be whole again" - That reminded me of Twice from My Hero Academia
That bit at the end KILLED ME. I literally said that out loud the first time you mention him "just standing there"
There's this one UA-cam video I saw where this guy did the same thing Dr. Brugger did, but the question he posed was,
"What if I lived real life in third person?"
The camera was support by a solid object, not carried by someone else, and he would try (and fail) to do simple tasks. It was kinda funny and didn't really tap into OBEs, but all this talk of watching yourself from a distance + video games? Yeah, it reminded me of that.
Dude, I found myself wondering ‘Where did he get these amazing clips?’ To find out that it was you displaying acting chops and cinematography? I’m very impressed!
i realized no-one had mentioned celeste
the first time i discovered badeline mostly followed my motions in chap.2, I started making "traps" for badeline to be stuck in by moving left and right repeatedly. it was kinda funny
With machine learning, the AI could learn to think and fight like you, making the doppleganger fight a propper "facing yourself" fight.
Have you played Driver: San Francisco? I thought you would mention a certain mission from the game in your video that I think could work within the limited scope of OBE’s in games.
For a video on this, see: "This Is What a "Second-Person" Video Game Would Look Like" by Nick Robinson.
I think SOMA came close when your character is "transferred" into another suit but you find out your mind was copied. In fact, deep diving into this, the fact that simon was a legacy brain scan, that means he was learning code. Implies that before the events of the game simon was "revived" and experimented on for learning purposes millions of times. He just doesnt know it. What would happen to one's mind if we suddenly discovered this was the case for us? What would be the validity of ourselves then?
Even Quantum Physics hates clones: The non cloning theorem says you cannot copy a quantum state and if you try the original disappears/gets teleported.
The Swapper (videogame) and , to some extent, SOMA - both are a must in the "genre". Swapper is really creepy to play, actually.
14:01 on absolutely blew my mind and gave me chills head to toe. absolutely stunning work, as always.
I'm surprised you didn't mention DID, or dissociation as a trauma response, because a lot of what you described sounds like lot of depersonalization. When I dissociate, it does feel like I'm watching my body, another me, perform tasks and no one notices. Most of the time I don't feel myself dissociate, when when I do, I feel that same incredulity and confusion, that same desperation to get control over myself again.
And it's easy to see why. It's all about control at the end of the day. Before identity or logic, all you want is to have control over this situation. You're know that other person, everything about them, but for the first time you have no control over what they're thinking. What they'll do now. Are they going to act maliciously? Is it a doppelganger sent here indefinitely? The only thing you can control is yourself, and if that's taken from you, of course you'd panic, go insane.
Ouch. You've just brought back my memories of playing SUPERHOT VR. At some point, you need to bring a pistol up to your own head and, well, "free your mind". I knew 100% that I'm in a videogame, but it was really scary and hard to push myself to do this. That's when I realized that I do, in fact, feel like I own that virtual body.
13:50 Just noting this for myself. Gotta remember that idea for a game, hehe.
That SpongeBob joke at the end was awesome, btw. Super interesting video!
Axiom Verge also does a similiar thing, it has a section where you play as a boss and your body is shooting you
Another game I heard does the second-person perspective thing is Driver: San Francisco. Nick Robinson did a video on it a while back, worth a watch if you're interested in finding more of these experiences.
Gotta be honest, I usually only pay half attention to most UA-cam videos while I'm working but this one pulled me in and held my full attention the whole time. Even got chills a couple of times. Bravo! Definitely one of my favorites so far (just discovered your channel and really excited about watching everything on here!)
This is an amazing and inspiring video. Great job.
**Starts brainstorming more ideas on how to scare the shits of the players based on this phenomenon**
I would highly recommend playing Chicory: a Colorful Tale. I'd also echo everyone saying SOMA, but let me put in my two cents for a smaller title.
In Chicory, you play as a cute little dog adventuring through a coloring book style world with your magical brush. As you progress through the game, you gain powers after bosses and can backtrack to do other things à la a light Metroidvania.
The boss designs take full advantage of this unusual concept of painting your way through the world. The main antagonist is this nebulous "corruption" that you gradually figure out what it really is through the main story and eventually how to beat it for good.
The first two bosses are fairly standard aside from your attacks being from a paintbrush over a sword or something more traditional, but the third boss really kicks things up. I'll try to be as vague as possible to preserve the surprise but it's a pretty mind-bending experience when you come upon it! Mirrors, symmetry, restricting the play space, and more are used in a way that can only be done when your attacks are a cursor you drag around the screen.
5:30. I've had dreams like this before. Strangely enough, they would often be about video games and I couldn't tell whether I was the character in the game or the person playing
Yeah the "surprise" in Hollow Knight is fucking terrifying. One of my favorite bosses in the game.
I swear this man's voice and the topics he so masterfully picks has me so intensely hooked all the way through
I think what makes it feel so strange is that one of our base assumptions, part of the human experience, is your own existence. You can only percieve the world in relation to yourself, and vice versa. Your experience and memory is all you have to go off of to understand reality. In a strange way, it’s like the world revolves around you, and that’s the only reason it can exist. When that starts to change, your version of reality shatters entirely
This video exemplifies exactly one of the things I love about this channel. I just spent almost 20 minutes hearing this guy talk about a very specific scare that I never even thought about, and I loved every second of it. Keep doing what you love, man
This reminds me so much of the Last Part in the show Mr. Robot and it pretty much provides the same conclusion as you did .
interesting video,
I remember getting to the point with the clone in Hollow Knight and as I was going after it I just kept repeating to myself "I don't like this. I don't like this. I REALLY don't like this..."
I can definitely see how seeing yourself can be odd and as if it's someone else because you've never seen yourself from your own eyes without a reflection, you don't exactly know how you look like
I find it trippy how many people want to have out of body experiences, I had one once during a car accident and it still gives me this weird nauseating goosebumpy kindof feeling just remembering it
I always thought it was an unsettling concept, saw the music video for Keane's "Crystal ball" and couldn't quite wrap my head around it. Great video Daryl, as always.
I don't remember what happens when you catch yourself in Hollow Knight but I remember very well the unsettling feeling caused by seeing this clone there! Another clone encounter I really like happens in Silent Hill 3, when Heather's reflection in a mirrorgets infected and stops replicating your movements.
Ok but like
Unrelated, but the sheer happiness I felt when you showed a single clip from Omori was insane
It’s great to see such a small game shortly appear in a video like this
small?!
He literally Made a video about omori lol
In my school there actually was one guy who looked very similar to me. We were frequently called by each other's names by friends and even teachers. It was like having a stranger as a twin. But we were told that if we were right next to one another the difference was obvious.
Who else thought he was gonna recommend an enemy that’s just your character except at this point the game has been charting your movement patterns to a point where it’s essentially been able to create another virtual you- all be it you as you’d react in combat or interacting with NPC’s? Like imagine there’s a game, where you have to have been playing for multiple hours to get to this point, but every encounter, every movement you make, it’s all being recorded and being fed into a character. So much so that when you meet this other you, it’ll feel like another player- and depending on how you’ve interacted with other NPC’s and other characters that look similar to you, it’ll do the same. And who attacks first is also dependent on if you’re more aggressive or seem like you’d be more aggressive against yourself- or maybe you attack it first, maybe it attacks you first, or maybe it waves at you and that sparks you to attack it. Either way, if we perfected it to a certain point to where if we made IT replay the game AS YOU… it’d be almost indistinguishable from how you play, and thus could be unsettling or really cool.
This would obviously take a loooot of work and require hours upon hours of data to fully be able to achieve, not to mention the AI would have to be near perfect at convincingly replicating your movements- not only when you make them but WHY you make them.
Also it’d be really interesting to see how speed runners would deal with their virtual doppelgänger. These guys know and are recording your every single move, so who wins in a fight? SHOULD you fight?
I think it would be an amazing experience to have an out of body experience while playing a psychological horror.
If my doppleganger can get my past difficult levels then I'm all for letting them stick around
>No game can emulate this feeling of confronting your doppelganger
Soma and The Swapper: What are we to you, a joke?
This was very effective at conveying how unsettling if not downright horrifying it would be to actually see another one of you, especially if you didn’t expect to. Somehow it feels like the ultimate invasion of privacy, that someone else would have access to everything about you that you consider intimate, and at the same time be wholly out of your control.
You find out how to create that experience in gaming, and you've officially created the Second-Person Shooter genre.
What about a vr experience where you have a doppelganger and while you are still in control of the original body, you see through the eyes of the doppelganger and you have to fight to defend yourself from yourself as the doppelganger, who you see through, attacks the you you control.
This video is one uninterrupted, brilliant take. It made me think, it made me feel, it made my skin crawl, and it made me ponder the fringes of consciousness. Fantastic work. 👑
That example with Undertale and the way you filmed that... DUDE! That was awesome as heck!
And yes, I definitely found this video entertaining.
PS: I hope you won't get any lasting effects from Covid.
I do that thing that I use my minds eye to see myself in the third person like in games whenever I have to do something I don't like or find emotionally taxing. I separate myself from reality.
Separating from reality as if you arent the one who has to clean the house and its an unfortunate thing that is happening to someone else. Like you are laughing at the sulky face of someone tired from work because its not you. A tactic I wanted to try out but never managed. I hate doing chores man.
Dissociation is one of my favorite themes in gaming and I love content like this. 18 minutes and 44 seconds never passed by so quickly for me. Thank you Daryl!
you should play omori if you haven't already
@@itsoracle I have! 😁 It's an excellent game.
@@itsoracle Not OP, but I tried and want to, but had trouble getting into the gameplay and battle system. Turn-based RPGs just don't seem to be my style.
Wheeeeew, this is one of your best videos. I got chills and felt so unsettled, especially the way you edited together the Undertale reference with the prestige genuinely made me jump
Just found your channel. Your thought experiments are fantastic. Currently binging your playlists. Thank you!
This was a great watch! I seldomly felt so freaked out and entertained at the same time.
This is highly fascinating. You did a fantastic job on this, for real.
You gave me chills! The topic is so good.
I've been binging every one of Daryl's videos. Been quite some time since last i found a creator whose entire catalogue possesses something meaningful in every entry. Well done. Well done, I say!
Man, that was good. And the doopelganger saga in Welcome to Night Vale just got ten times scarier and funnier to me after this video. Great job!
Loved this episode. I like your combination of real research with your own feelings and conclusions. The recordings of yourself in the scenarios turned out well too. I would love to try one of those OBE VR experiments.
Thank you for making a video about a phenomenon I am very interested in.
Much appreciated
You walk in on your clone embracing your partner? Simply embrace them both, I see this as an absolute win
That always bothered me as well in The Prestige. If there was a second one of me we would get so much done or could make different life choices, one of us could stay here with our life and the other could go move away and try something different.
Could you trust your copy to not shoot yourself?
I doubt I could accurately say exactly what I would do if I encountered my exact doppelgänger, but I’d like to think that I’d do this:
Realize it’s identical (visually), ask it questions to confirm we’ve had the exact same past/memories etc.
And this next one is important; see if acting separately would have us share memories of the different perspectives or could we each develop into unique people?
If both of us share memories/mentalities, then hell yeah I can make life so much easier. It would almost be like having a second body. It might be difficult to cope with at first, but I’m sure we’d find a way.
If we have separate minds/memories? Hell yeah, I got myself a brother. It’s just a matter of getting the legal paperwork settled and then boom; always have someone to chat with/rely on. If he wants to go live his own life then go for it.
Why only choose one? 😉 Who says you can't have a sibling who you share memories with?
Here’s an extension of that question from an old and forgotten game called SOMA. The game leads you to believe your mind is jumping from machine to machine get get things but the reality is you never did. Your mind is copied, memories and all, and put into a different machine it doesn’t feel like that to you because you remember the act of jumping into that new machine. That’s the issue, every new version has every memory right up to the point they’re in a new body. None of them are the original none of you are doing what you think you’re doing. Every time you do that to reach a point you couldn’t reach before the previous version is left confused, alone, lost and left to die. With the ultimate goal to upload your brain along the the rest of collective humanity into a machine that will be shot into space to save everyone from a doomed earth. When you do it you expect to be in the simulated world but as soon as it’s done your still in the base confused, your character desperate to save themselves but they can’t because that’s not how it works. A new version of yourself gets to experience that matrix but not you. To the new versions perspective it worked exactly how you initially thought it would.
Imagine for a moment you had a robotic version of yourself, you put an exact copy of your brain down to the memories into that robot. The Robot feels like it’s the real you, it remembers the moments right before it became a robot. However you’re being treated like your not human, family members don’t acknowledge you in the same way and neither does anyone else because theirs a version of you that flesh and blood that gets all that treatment you’re being deprived of. You know intuitively you’re a robot but you don’t feel like you are, you’re the “real one”
this channel deserve so much more attention. only came across it by accident. totally impressed. so much interesting content
This is really well made! It's filled with interesting information, humor, and great editing. Nice job!