@@trashaimgamer7822 I thought your comment said GD for a second and I was like "wow this hits close to home" Then I remembered I haven't played GD for like 2 or 3 years
That depends. I hated playing League. So I'm glad I stopped. I rage when I forget something silly and get one shot in Elden Ring. But overall, I have a great time playing it.
I've seen Souls games being aptly described as "revenge simulators". You develop a relationship of sorts with the bosses, and the satisfaction comes from toppling a foe that caused you so much frustration and anguish.
To me, the satisfaction is felt as long as the process of fighting those bosses feels engaging enough that beating them feels like a sign of improvment. If I'm dealing with a fight I don't enjoy, sometimes I don't feel satisfaction when I win and the feeling is moreso "thank goodness it's over". When I was fighting Malenia in Elden Ring over and over again, I just wanted to be done with the fight and call it a day. I guess the only reason I didn't give up is so that I don't have to think about doing it again. Mind you, this is isn't the common reaction to a boss. I usually really enjoy overcoming bosses in these games. Artorias, Nameless King, Sister Fride, Midir, Gael, Genichiro and Isshin. Those are just a few example of fights I felt proud of overcoming. Admittedly, my feelings with Elden Ring bosses were overall more negative in comparison to past games, since I often felt like I couldn't play with most of my builds without making things extremely tedious due to the agression and damage of bosses. VG Matthew's boss critique video on Elden Ring does a good job of explaining what I'm alluding to. So I am worried that Fromsoft will try to keep their games harder and harder to the point that the feeling of satisfaction starts being replaced by "I hope I never have to do this again".
@@leithaziz2716 Completely agree. When the feeling is "thank goodness it's over", usually that's a sign that something's gone wrong. I suppose it's about striking a balance between having it be a challenge while making sure it's still engaging/fun. I think one reason the souls games have gained so much popularity is because they seem to hit the sweet spot more often than not. From my own experience, a lot of that comes down to player agency. I'm much more likely to enjoy an 11/10 difficulty fight where I can tell clearly that the deaths are my fault than a 9/10 difficulty fight that feels like it's full of cheap shots, poor balancing, bad RNG, etc. As you put it, beating a boss should feel like a sign of improvement. If I feel like I beat an unfair boss just by being lucky, that doesn't do much for me.
@@leithaziz2716 Yeah I did not enjoy that fight. Can't put my finger on why but Isshin and demon of hatred in sekiro took me about the same amount of time to beat as malenia did (6-ish hours), but I enjoyed them SO much more, I was not frustrated at all.
daryl has a real talent for causing me to have an existential crisis about how i spend my time sitting in a chair staring at a screen while moving my thumbs
@@rehab_herr sorry you have that regret, but we usually do whats most fun for us at the time. All you can do is just look back and laugh at how younger you got your kicks. And if thats still you, you can adjust accordingly.
I'm an old gamer.. literally. 50 years old. So I've experienced each scenario described here dozens of times. For me, I've been learning (through horribly unpleasant consequences) that when I feel angry about a game, it is often a reflection of other, larger issues that need to be faced, and continuing to play the game is likely going to result in further unpleasant consequences. Time to stop playing and deal with the other issues. If I don't stop, then it's likely I'm addicted and it's harming me.
Well said! I've found that the frustration can be not with the game, but the tension that comes from feeling obligated to play it. Sometimes it's aboit doing something else that you plain and simply prefer to sp instead of playing. Sometimes that's another game. Sometimes it's a walk in the park or cooking a nice meal.
when he added we might dislike a competitive game because losing this is what i thought of. i dont mind losing. i dislike when an annoying mechanic in the game(loveable quirk or otherwise) is sufferable and annoying. the good part of the game that i enjoy keep me in it, i just wish the shitty parts could be retrospectively removed
I have noticed the same, but for some reson it only became obvious after reading your comment. Sometimes I play games to sooth off some stress of other parts of life. And sometimes it goes well. But if I perform my escaping in a game that may have frustrating bits involved, I just become angry and more stressed, making the issue worse. It is imprortant to perform escapism with a clear mind and full focus so that escapism can reach the wanted result of unwinding the stress.
I'm only 32 but I've luckily learned this as well. There's making progress and challenging yourself, and there's self-harm and dopamine-chasing. I've had to do dopamine cleanses and take myself away from certain games before and it helped me really understand that.
That intro story about the "Concord", how much money took to creat it and later nobody wanted to buy it... hits different in september 2024 when I'm watching this.
If i had a nickel for every time a product named "Concord" was a huge commercial failure, i wouldn't survive in this economy but it's weird that it happened twice
I've adopted an operating procedure that I like to call "The Pantheon Rule", which is basically, if you realize that doing something optional is going to make you hate something you love, don't do it. The rule is a direct reference to Hollow Knight's Pantheon challenges. They are these long boss rushes that can feature the entire boss cast, including new ones exclusive to the challenges. I quickly came to the determination that doing these grueling challenges, where failure meant starting all over again and wasting hours of time, would make me hate a game I loved. So I didn't, and I've never regretted it.
that's a really good philosophy. basically, "only 100% a game if the process is going to be fun. otherwise, just complete it up to the percentage where it's still fun". thanks!
Yup, I did the first two pantheons, failed the third, said "well that's enough of that" and moved on. The completionist part of my brain is a little annoyed about it still, but I'm aware enough of my own skill and patience to know that I would despise trying to finish them, and that even if I did the excitement at the end would not be worth the hassle.
That's a good way to put it! I have similar with Octopath Traveller - I LOVED both games, but I'm mainly in it for the stories and side quests. I don't need to do the extra hard bonus bosses - I can always catch up online if I want to know what happens.
I think I ran into this with Dead Cells' highest difficulties that locked the secret final boss behind it. Aside from adding new mechanics that changed the experience as a whole, it boosted enemy spawn rate, damage and health. It made things extremely stressful as you basically had to play optimally for a decent chance at beating it. I felt like I accidently made myself enjoy the game less just cause I wanted to see everything it had to offer. At least the secret boss was fun. With Hollow Knight, I gave up at the 5th pantheon since a single run was too time consuming to keep retrying.
I had a similar experience w HK. Love the main game. Beaten it many times. Love the idea of the Pantheons. Couldn’t get past P3 and decided I didn’t need to since it isn’t like it actually changes anything in the story.
Internalizing what I felt was the "moral" of Undertale really helped me with this. After it, I was okay with quitting a game I felt I wasn't enjoying, or leaving parts of it unexplored, or not 100%-ing a game.
Great video as always Daryl! I hadn't realized that I definitely have an Old Married Couple relationship with Breath of the Wild. But the biggest takeaway from watching this is that we as game lovers need to listen to ourselves and not rely so much on external validation.
That game in particular suffers because the meat of the game is the discovery. The combat, story, and dungeons are all pretty weak imo, but they get the job done and support the true goal of the game: to explore hyrule. Because of this, future playthroughs kind of suck, because you can’t relive that core part of the game every again.
Usually I'm pretty good at only picking up games that I end up enjoying. Yes, there's always some I enjoy more than others, but overall it is pretty rare I buy a game that i actively dislike or regret buying. A few years ago I was finally getting around to playing through a bunch of Zelda titles, Twilight Princess, then Windwaker and Skyward Sword and I really loved all of them. So I was thinking about which Zelda to check out next... and one of the most popular Zeldas or even games period was Breath of the Wild. I was kind of iffy on checking it out, since it's rare that I get invested in games with large open world, but hey, like you said in the video, "there's no way so many people can be wrong about this game right?" And it was just such a slog for me, especially compared to the earlier titles I didn't enjoy the combat, the shrines felt so boring compared to old dungeons and just the lack of narrative or at least an interesting companion character made the sprawling open world make me feel like I was in hell. Still i forced myself to at least finish it, because hey, maybe it gets better?, but it just never did anything for me at all. (I don't mean to say BotW is a bad game, it just didn't click with me *at all*, which is also why I most likely will never try out TotK either) Definitely got trapped by a combination of sunk cost fallacy and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the game. Thogh it did teach me to have more faith in my own judgement of games instead of listening to what people say is good or bad, so there's that at least :) Great video as always!
You hit the nail on the head. I loved BOTW, but I completely see why it didn’t do it for everyone and that’s fine. If there’s anything I’ve learned with this backlog challenge, it’s how to drop games if I’m not having fun. Life is too short and in my experience, you typically get to the meat and potatoes of a game pretty quickly, so it’s not usually necessary to keep on digging. Not always, but usually.
I have the complete opposite. I have played some older 2d zelda's but never really tried an older 3d zelda before botw. Since they still get so much praise i have tried many times to play trough them. Oot, TP, WW, SS. I have tried them all but never could get trought them. The only reason i kept trying is because of the great reception 3d zelda games get, but the games just arent for me. Im sure they are amazing games, i just cant get hooked on them
I hate it when I try a classic that a lot of people love but it somehow doesn’t click for me. I bought Hollow Knight and Outer Wilds after so many people said that those games are absolutely amazing, and somehow didn’t like them for some reason.
@@ThePC007oh I couldn't get through the first bit of Outer Wilds, I couldn't even take off properly! Luckily I got it via Gamepass so I didn't cost me extra, but I cut my losses early on that one
@@CreatrixTiara I had no issues with that. I actually really, really liked the spaceship physics. The game doesn’t hold your hand in that regard, but is also quite forgiving. You can bump into a planet at quite the significant speed without crashing your ship, and even you you do damage it it is easy to fix. I just… wasn’t having too much fun for some reason and I don’t know why.
I feel like another option that wasn't mentioned but is super powerful imo would be: if you're playing a game trying to recapture the magic of the first playthrough, but can't help but see its growing flaws over time while your nostalgia fades away, missing that forgotten feeling of playing the perfect game for the first time, why not try to **make** one? It's the most influential turning-point to any fan of any art form; the moment you've consumed many games and begin to feel a feeling that there's a game that's missing (but doesn't exist, yet), or you begin to see the flaws of your favorite games and begin to wonder or think of ways it can be fixed or improved, you've just begun the privilege of hearing the artist's calling for the first time. Those who follow the artist's calling begin the amazing journey of creation, transitioning from a consumer to a producer, fueled by the passion of giving back to their communities or the game genres they love. That calling is the reason why people get inspired to create their dream games, which could inspire others after them to create their dream games, and the beautiful cycle of creation repeats on and on. I've been thinking of getting into gamedev myself someday, inspired by games and wanting to tell stories myself. For example, a game that really inspires me would be the Kingdom Hearts series , but I don't need to tell you how jarringly flawed it's convoluted plot can be; despite that, due to how much the games get right, I can't help but think if there was a game that captures the magic of Kingdom Hearts but nails the story. While I'm unable to make a game with a scope anywhere near that of Kingdom Hearts anytime soon, the inspiration of creation that I get from playing them gives me hope that I may make something amazing like it someday in the future. Regardless, I think the option of moving from a consumer of games to a producer is a powerful option and shouldn't be undemrined, giving back to the games/genres you love through inspiration and passion, possibly inspiring others to create their dream games in the process too.
I felt that call strongly enough to act on it after playing outer wilds and paradise killer. Mostly because there is a very limited amount of truly amazing mystery/exploring games, and the magic is all gone after your first play through. I doubt I'll make a game of that caliber, but if I can give just a little bit of that feeling to others, it's so worth it.
yeah that is *exactly* why I've been learning to develop a platformer game on Unity. I love Sonic games so much but every single one of them is flawed in one way or another, even the classics. I've strong sense of what exactly I hate about them, and how I could improve upon the gameplay formula for those kinds of games
8:56 Games aside, I’ve fallen victim to sunk cost in school and college, and it has only been months since I discovered the consequences of academically pushing myself without stopping. I was determined to move forward by setting nearly everything else in my life aside just to leave with a degree, and the stale workload felt exhausting. I’m still recovering from my mental crash, and I surely needed this vid. Many thanks! Great vid, great discussion, great edits, and great job acknowledging us mobile viewers at 3:47! :-)
I played more games this and last year than every year before that point and I have had an absolute blast. Instead of trying to reignite that flame of first time playing Minecraft, I have found new experiences that are almost as memorable. If you are stuck playing the same game you should breach out and try new things. It is always worth it. Even if you don’t like it you at-least tried.
Legit I keep running into this type of comment recently. It's mainly been about FF16 but this year games are been killing it in the 2nd quarter coming round into the 3rd
Damn, I've actually been replaying a game I used to love over 15 years ago and finding myself still loving it just as much, if not more. Not only am I smiling with anticipation at all the fun parts I remember, but my more experienced brain picks up on new things to appreciate. Obviously you can never experience that mythical first playthrough all over again, but a repeat one can still be as fulfilling in its own unique wa y.
I just wanted to write a similar comment, I'm playing Arkham Asylum again after almost 10 years. Obviously I know the plot but it's so enjoyable, I keep looking around at every corner for small details. Now that I properly understand english it may be even better than the first time.
That's me whenever I replay Hollow Knight after giving myself a long break away from it. I'm at awe at how much cool stuff, mechanics, wonderfull NPCs and compelling worldbuilding there is that you take for granted when you play the game a lot. Sekiro gives me simillar feelings when I replay it and remember how excellent the pacing and combat is. These games aren't that old, but it's the closest examples for me.
@@icefox4074I love the arkham games. The key is not overdoing it, and personally i don't understand why tf people replay something all the time It has to be after a long time away from it, when the experience is "new but familiar".
@@denisdelinger3265I have a similar attitude to movies, I feel like I still remember the highlights and the experience still feels "fresh" (can't think of a better word) for years. I'm still not in the mood to watch Scarface for the third time and that was back in 2020 Same for games obviously but I just felt like sharing since people can re-watch movies far more often than I find enjoyable
There's been many times in my life that i've stopped playing a game, usually due to storage space issues. I'm the type who likes to stick to games for long periods of time and become sentimental about my experiences with them, so stopping a game can be quite painful, especially when you have that one (or few) characters who were with you throughout the game. It feels like giving up a part of my life, something i grew up with. As someone who never really had pictures of himself when younger, this caused me to start taking screenshots of a game before quitting it, forming a little picture album of my fondest memories in games. Feels a little weird to think about it, but i feel it goes to show up for many of us nowadays, games are not just some addiction, an escape from life, but rather a part of it. The lessons we learn, the experiences we gain, the friends we make, games mean a lot to us
Playing Before Your Eyes is probably what changed my mindset from someone who used to force myself to 100% every game to see everything a game has to offer, or burn out in the process and never touch it again. The beautifully integrated mechanics and message of the game, as well as having played it the night of my college graduation really made me think about my time and how I spend it and why. Nowadays I just play whatever I feel like in the moment, even if that means leaving a game untouched for weeks or months if I don’t actually want to play it. Makes it a bit difficult to get back into it when I do want to play something after leaving it a while, but thanks to that I finally finished Dark Souls and absolutely loved it.
Damn. As someone who is planning to go buy an engagement ring to my girl today and HAS experienced the feeling of little things that used to be fine but now annoy the hell out of me and gets me worried about our future, this video hit so damn HARD. Edit: and now I'm genuinely crying after that "love hating it" line.
If those little things are enough to put you off a person, you’re either with the wrong person or have unrealistic expectations - or just aren’t a good match anymore. That new-relationship high doesn’t last all that long, and I’ll take being an old married couple any day. I was with the same partner for 18 years. The first four we weren’t married, the next 14 we were. The first 10 in general were great, but ups and downs in life like anyone. Then things changed over time, and after 18 years she decided she needed to do things solo from then on. I was not pleased at this news to put it mildly, but she was right. Ultimately we were no longer a fit, but it wasn’t because of how long we had been together or because we were fed up with one another; it was because we got together so very young that we went through a ton of life changes as a pair, and came out on the other side in different places. The experience didn’t put me off marriage, but it made me want to look for a different kind of partner who was going to meet me where I was. At my age at the time, there were way more major life events behind than ahead, which made that easier in some ways. My second wife and I have just passed our third wedding anniversary, and have been together four years. Time flies. I don’t have any great advice, but I know a lot of divorced people, and none of them were just from getting tired of the other person. Most people grow and change throughout their entire lives, so is super long term relationship is more like his description of playing DOTA 2 years later. For good and ill, people manage to change and stay the same all at once. 😅
Bro, don't let a youtube video about games discourage you from locking yourself for years into a relationship that you will slowly watch deteriorate and die, as you grow to hate every little thing you loved about it
If it works then it will work, who knows what time brings….single dad of 4 with full custody and has been to prison….14 years we lasted….now unfortunately every relationship I want with women involves only 1 thing now oh well….I have a lot of money and video game time when I’m not working at points.
the talent daryl has for evoking emotions during his ending sequences is so underrated, and man it's the perfect cherry on top for video essays like this. also very audibly excited to see the oshi no ko teaser at the end of the video
I'm glad you included Genshin and put a spotlight on it as the community talks about this over and over again, where theres literal guides about understanding and solving player burnout lol. I was ready to stop if 3.0 didnt deliver, yet the game constantly delivers new highs - like end credit roll worthy feelings over a recent Yoimiya side quest. And ive got alot of confidence their 4.0 will have a fresh breakthrough with the first steps into a new region evoking something new. I just stopped logging in to play everyday to burn my 'relationship' with a game that i like, as there's nothing quite like it. I dont want to reinforce its weaker sides, the wannabe mmo gear grind for scaling/friction/pressure points that isnt there out of fear I'll hate and regret my time with the game. The game isnt difficult, memes is the true endgame, the best content is permanent and will wait for you.
Damn, it's like you're watching my life. I've been slamming mods into a game I've played 2000 hours of trying to recapture the feelings I had years ago to no avail, trying to feel anything really and this video hit me like a sack of bricks. This put in context what I've been dealing with for months and I get it now. Thanks for the soul crushing realization that I need to just move on a play something else. Also, yes do an Oshi No Ko video, just do it. Daryl Talks Anime is the second reason I'm here besides crippling and painful realizations about my life.
@@saintsalieri Unfortunately my body is withering (I can't repair damage) so I'm not able to do much physical activity. So making games and playing games is basically my work and actual life. Can't find as much joy in other sedentary hobbies.
I played Celeste, my first true platformer, not too long ago. I was really bad at it, but that just made me more determined to beat it. The same logic applied to Jevil and Spamton NEO. Conversely, I adore Little Nightmares, but don't play the games too often to avoid the "old couple" feeling.
I love tricky platformers and have been playing them for decades, but at first I wrote Celeste off as too hard before finishing the first level. The brilliance of Celeste is that pretty much everyone will be "really bad at it" going in, but it's designed to help you rise to the challenge. Lots of media has the message that "you can do hard things", but in Celeste you LIVE that message by defeating challenge after seemingly insurmountable challenge.
When it comes to the souring of what you love, the realization of flaws, I say this: in a song, a relationship, a game, you have to learn to recognize the flaws are actually quirks. You have to love the flaws. Because without them, it would not have been what you remembered. It would have been something else
This comment reminds me of how every time I’ve been on a vacation, once I’m back and it’s all memory, my mind is able to edit out all the hassle and bad parts and remember the highlights. In a lot of ways the game we first played and the highs we remember might grow apart with time.
Wow, this is such a poetic video essay. The line “it’s about learning to let go” struck a chord with me. I’m not really all that old, and yet I keep finding myself reminiscing over the first (insert experience here) and I think to myself if I will ever find something like it again. In order to do so, I have to learn to let go and move on, to not get attached. But part of me just won’t let go, because if I do it means there is a possibility that I forget about it, and idk but that thought kind of makes me sad and a bit scared.
This was really interesting from the perspective of a speedrunner. I specifically only speedrun games that I love because I know how much time and commitment it's going to take and even then I sometimes can find myself getting so frustrated that I have to step away because it feels like I'm starting to hate it. But I eventually come back because of my love for the game and my desire to get better. I even stepped away from speedrunning in general for over a year at one point but got right back into it catching up on all the new strats and getting new PBs within weeks.
This came at a really pertinent time for me. I've made a list of all the armor in *Tears of the Kingdom* and have been scrounging around for the resources. I was working my way through Lizalfos Tails, which have a terrible drop rate and you need to kill a lot of them in order to get enough. And I don't need to do that. I don't need to upgrade the Rubber Armor Set; I have the Lightning Helm! I'm immune to electrical attacks already!
I get why Nintendo put the same armor sets from BotW into totk but upgrading armor definitely feels even more tedious than it did in BotW. It would’ve been cool if they added some way to combine armor sets like the frog armor and the climbing gear.
Item duplication glitches exist in TOTK. I haven’t gotten tired of the game yet but I’m keeping that knowledge in my back pocket once the enjoyment starts to slow down. As a friend of mine said, “Life’s too short to grind in a single player game”.
I would love to see a video addressing manga lol Also this video really encapsulates and justifies some of my issues when it comes to getting into the souls like genre and allowing me to categorize my guilt when it comes the asynchronous way I engage with the game and how the game is intended to be played. I quit the game after the gameplay loop frustrated me on a more...unsatisfying level. One where rage didn't make me motivated but incredibly tired. It feels nice to see a video that processes what I went through so succinctly!
Combining manga with this topic you have these people in the comments who always go something like, "This manga is awful. I'm gonna stop reading it." And then the reply comes, "Okay. See you next week!" And they always return to complain again.
I love getting past part of a game that was challenging or really tricky or what have you, but I've noticed with certain games it's just so brutal that finally finishing it isn't even satisfying. I just feel like it's about time and I never want to play this ever again.
Amazing video as always! In my case, I am the "I will finish everything I started" type, but over the years and having experienced games that were not worth playing from the 3rd hour, I have come to the conclusion that some games can't be finished by the actual me. I still finish like 95% of the games I start playing (mostly because I start a game type that appeals me NOW, without social pressure or FOMO), but when it's the perfect time to play it and I get that "man I truly prefer doing some other thing" feeling, that's when I drop it. Maybe the future me will enjoy it more and finish it, now it's not the time.
as i get older (i'm not old i'm only 28 but yknow) i've become a lot more accepting of when i just don't want to play a game anymore. i used to get so mad at myself for not finishing a game or losing momentum in the mulitplayer space but now i'm just like, i had a great time with it, and now i can move on to new things. to live is to grow and move forward and experience new wonderful things you can fondly look back on. stagnating by forcing yourself to try and re-live your initial experience just leaves you sad and wanting. it's really freeing to accept this honestly.
Was not expecting that ending with the Oshi no Ko manga. As a fan of this series and manga in general, it would be so great to see my favourite game psychology UA-camr delve into the psychology of Oshi no Ko given that there is so much to unpack in it. I hope you do make a video on it someday
Lovely video! This topic is so real and I can definitely relate to it. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is probably my favorite game of all time but I don't think I can bring myself to play more for a long while because I accidentally deleted my near 100% completion save file and got so burnt out trying to make my way through such a large game again that I don't know WHEN I'll ever recomplete it. It's strange to call my relationship with it an old married couple, but that's probaly what it's closest to.
Xenoblade chronicles 3 is also my favourite game probably. I hope you can get back into it soon. Deleting a save file must really suck... But perhaps this suffering can help you enjoy and connect to the characters better next time you play? It's just a thought...
That last part hit me hard. For some time i always hated myself for not doing things i wanted to do, i pressured myself to do things but i ended up not doing them, i hated myself for not doing it so i started to get frustrated because of it. Sometime ago i just let go of it, i know myself, i know I won't do whatever i think i should do. Should i be doodling to learn how to draw? Yes. Am i doing it? No, and that's fine, I've accepeted the trash of a human being that i am, it actually helped my mental health. .... Or maybe i should go to therapy, i dunno.
I think letting go of expectations is a good first step. I know I’ve been there, many times honestly. I either have others place expectations of what they want me to be, or more often than not I set expectations of who I should be. Either way, you’re not being kind to yourself, and it just puts you in a position where regardless of what you do, it isn’t good enough. But I’ve learned to let go of it, and to just take it one step at a time. Maybe you will become an amazing artist, maybe you won’t. But regardless of what you end up doing, as long as you are content with yourself that’s all that matters. Be humble, and learn to appreciate the little things, as cheesy as that sounds.
Holy shit. You sound just like me. lol But maybe that just means your heart isn't truly as into it as you think it is. I also very much desire to learn art because I feel like its my dream to make my own manga. I want to be an author, but I have such imagery in my head with my stories that I feel like a regular book just isn't enough. But for whatever reason, I just can't motivate myself to actually learn anything about art. I wonder for myself, is my heart actually in it? Maybe I don't care about art, since I don't care to do it. I just like the finished product. But I feel like I've discovered something about myself. I wonder if my real, true, and only dream is actually just to have friends.
@@odotawaissaku3755 you're right, I don't like drawing, but I don't fool myself pretending to. I like the finished piece like you do, and i train art because i want to do better final pieces and express myself more. I hope you get to make the manga you so desire, or find another thing you like. Whatever makes you happy!
that was a great video, I've struggled with all of the points that you mentioned and thankfully realised it and started to learn about the sunk cost fallacy and learned how to (mostly) circumvent it
After getting into rocket league with my friends and now raging every night when we play, this video touches me where I needed it. One night we rage in call about a bad shot and yet the next night we play Deeprock and relax as little dwarves.
This definitely feels like being an artist. A while back before I entered art school I had to ask myself "do I want to spend my life climbing up this impossible hill that only I can see and then try and make money off it?" The answer was yes obviously and I don't ever think I'll get that "old couple feeling" but I've def run through everything else
How can one be so smart and ambitious? Huge, huge respect for you. Thank you for the amazing content that I lately binged. Notification about this video showed when I reconsidered my choices playing Sifu. One of the best perfect timing moments of my life
Very interesting video that oddly enough I feel like I used to do some of these things but just dont have the time to play any one thing long enough to fall into this. As a completionist I do have trouble putting things down but I guess i've just learned not to pick things up if Im not 100% sure im gonna enjoy it, theres way too much media around to afford to not be picky these days so might as well figure out what you want the most of your media and focus on that, at least thats how i fell. Also yes absolutely on the Oshi no Ko video im so down for that Daryl
This video came at the right time for me and strengthened my resolve. I was uninstalling and entirely removing certain games from my library, asking such questions as, what do I want, or what value does this hold me. Walking away hurts. it can be likened to a painful surgery, scary and cuts that leave wounds and pains, but the outcome brings forth a new life or opportunities hidden by those former infirmities. "There is an appointed time for everything...A time to plant and a time to uproot what was planted... A time to throw stones away and a time to gather stones together...A time to search and a time to give up as lost. A time to keep and a time to throw away" - Solomon I hope the best for anyone knowing, it's time to leave behind, but is struggling to do so. As for me, I can barely endure hating to love it later anymore. I Just can't Continue 9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...
Interesting intro about concorde, I actually just had my high-school prom at the hangar of a decommissioned concorde and it was awesome, we got to sit on the plane itself and the whole party was underneath it
For me the reason I keep playing [redacted] is because the rollercoaster of highs and lows (winning/losing) is very addictive, and also because it is just essentially a really good game. And also in a strange way [redacted] sort of makes me feel like home, since it's been a constant in my life for many years, even when I moved abroad. Aaand also because there just is no other game like it that scratches that itch.
I have played League for 10 years, I won't deny that I do love the game. It still offers a competitive rush for me that I can't find anywhere else but I will never recommend playing it to anyone unless they really want to. It goes beyond sunk cost for me I think, it's just been a constant in my life that I can always go back to whenever and I know will be there when I do. Also YES, I would love to see an Oshi no Ko video from you. Hoping it comes through, wanna hear how you convey your thoughts on it
For me this is an easy task (stopping a game I hate) but I wasn't always this way, and watching this video made me realise how much growing I've done as a gamer so thanks man 😊
Im glad you're discussing this concept in a video. I have always tried to be self aware of sunk cost fallacy and reject the idea of having to like something simply because most people love it, and it pains me to watch people force themselves into doing any hobby just because they did so much or paid so much. There is no amount of time or money you put into something that can pay you back on its promises if you hate doing it. I don't like most competitive games for this reason and many others, but it also applies to everything like TV, anime, art pieces, writing, books, anything. Now, I do believe in giving things a fair try and overcoming challenges, but it has to be born from reflection and belief, not from denial and ego. Retrying a difficult puzzle game with a fresh outlook is good, sitting down for 6 hours and trying over and over, mumbling about how unfair the game is... that's not healthy.
The old married couple game really is the saddest. World of Warcraft, No Man's Sky, Foxhole, Mount and Blade Warband, Rimworld, Civ 5, Avorion, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Terraria, Valheim and more... all games i have 250 (KCD) to 14000 (WoW) hours in and i love them so much... and i come back every now and again to try and check out the new stuff but I just can't. Its a block i can't break. I know the game so well, so fully and completely that even if some new things are there i'm just... unsatisfied. I want to play all of those games so much, i love them all so much! But when i boot them up i have no motivation. I'll spend a few hours derping around, taking in the game for what i love, and then, I say goodbye again. What i wouldnt give for the ability to erase some experiences so i could experience them all over again...
I’m told I’m stubborn. Celeste, After Alterna, Hollow Knight and just hard ass Platformers are honestly my bread and butter, and my bane. It’s a love hate relationship and when I beat one it’s so gratifying.
I've grown to know myself well enough to know when games just don't vibe with me anymore, and I've learned to let go and move on when things start making me feel negativity over either myself or for the game. Even after putting in money onto a game, aside from hundreds of hours into it- and I just allow myself to look back and enjoy it for what it was able to give me at the time I was enjoying it, and move on. :) Also, yes if you wanna branch out of games and talk about other stuff, that'll be interesting af 😂
Wholeheartedly agree, I'd only add that frustration because a game is hard doesn't equal hate. Frustration because of bad gameplay (perceived on my end) makes me quit the game nowadays.
This video got me thinking that it's important not to let your experience become like the Old Married Couple. And you do that by consciously, actively remembering the good that outweighs the bad. You don't ignore the bad because then you'll be a blind fan, but you should remember why a game's good to begin with. Don't chase the feeling in the GAME, dredge it up from YOUR MEMORY and let that guide your future experiences with the game...or the marriage, etc. Let your love push the experience forward instead of chasing a high you'll never get again. Our minds are wired to focus on the negative, and if you don't actively fight back against that programming you'll slip into pessimism. It takes EFFORT to remember why you love a game, and it's always going to be easier to complain regardless of whether the complaints are valid (why does Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door have SO much backtracking? And why did I only notice on my 7th playthrough?!) or invalid (dude my controller wasn't working and the opponent's cheating because I can't handle the idea of losing). Speaking of marriage, if I ever get there I wanna wake up every day and say "God, thank you for putting HER in my life!" no matter how bad things get. Build the right thought habits to stave off staleness and disillusionment. Sometimes it's unavoidable; if you were 5 years old and loved Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric you're...probably gonna hate the game when you're older because it sucks and has few redeeming qualities. But man, when I think back to things like Starfox 64 that I keep going back to again and again, I don't look at it and say "I'm soooo excited to trudge through the shoe-horned versus mode, and I just hate one of the story paths so much that I'm gonna avoid that." Instead I say "I'm looking for a game that scratches my itch for awesome arcade space-shooting action with delightfully cheesy memorable dialogue." The first example is a game I can't bring myself to play, and the second is an example of a game I can't stay away from. But they're the *same* game, the difference is how I'm focused on what I want to get out of the experience and pursuing that in order to achieve greater enjoyment, rather than putting myself through the parts of the game I don't like as much. People do challenge runs of their favorite games to put their focus on different parts of the experience. Obviously playing a game for 8 hours straight or 1000 hours in total is a bit much...I'm guilty of it as much as anyone else. And what I'm saying only applies if the good truly does outweigh the bad. Anyone here ever try to play a Paradox grand strategy game into the late-game? Way too much lag, too much to micromanage, and usually not enough challenge if you've been playing well at that point. That's why so many people quit out in the early game and restart a new game. Know what parts of the game you *like* and focus on them if you can. If you can't enjoy the game the way you used to, yeah maybe it does have fatal flaws or maybe your outlook and desires have changed. That's ok! Just appreciate the good times you had instead of regretting how the spark's gone. And maybe one day you'll get an itch to come right back to old faithful for one more romp! We can't take our first step in the game again, but each step we take from that point forward is brand new.
Daryl always askin' the real questions out here 👏 I'm personally an Old Married Couple with Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. I played them on gamecube for years and years, until every line of dialogue, low-poly wall in the corner, and invisible treasure chest was ingrained into my memory and nothing left was fresh enough to stave off the ever encroaching sense of empty meaningless vanity. When the 3ds versions came out, I never bought them: I felt like I just knew the games too well. Still, every now and then I think of those old games with fondness, and that doesn't fade with time.
I really feel that last phenomenon. I’m coming to the end of my time with Hades now. In fact I’m playing it while watching your videos. I only recently started putting a video or podcast on while I play it, and that how I know I’m near the end. You’re absolutely right, it’s a really melancholy feeling. In this case I actually had a premonition of this feeling back near the start when I was enjoying it more than any game I’ve played in ages, and I was resolved to savour every moment because I knew this period was coming. Specifically, in Hades what irks me now is the variable reinforcement gambling thing: I start a run and if I haven’t got a great combination of boons etc by the end of Tartarus I get so demotivated and sometimes even give up on the run. Definitely time to move on… very soon… just a few more runs…
This video... may have been the last straw for me and Genshin. I love the world, I love exploring, I love the fun part of the fandom, and I adore the characters. I've spent so much time building my Hu Tao in particular, and the gacha rush early on was real. Spent over 600 hours in Teyvat. I'm also over two months lapsed. The struggle with the sunk cost is exactly what I've been dealing with. I'm in so deep, I've spent a fair amount of money and especially time, and I've gotten so much out of it. Yet, it starts to feel more like homework than fun with dailies and meta and even just building who I WANT to build. This year I've played more games than ever in a single year (currently at 36 beaten) and I'm having so much fun. There just isn't enough reason to go back to Genshin for me. Thank you for exploring this further. Also I'd watch the HELL out of a DTG video on Oshi no Ko, you kidding me?
As most Genshin players will attest, it sounds like you were due for a break. Fontaine's around the corner. Maybe it'll spark something for you. And if not, well, you know it wasn't going to last forever. I have no idea what an Oshi no Ko is, but given that I'm not a weeb, I probably don't want to, either. (Yes, I'm a non-weeb that plays Genshin. So what?)
@@azuarc yeah fair, we'll see what happens! I always enjoy the big .0 updates, it'll feel fresh again. As for Oshi no Ko, it's a great manga that recently got its anime adaptation-took the world by storm. Part murder mystery, part modern social commentary, all good time. Would recommend :)
Good for you! I really hope this video ends up being a force for good. Just because you stop playing Genshin doesn’t mean all of the fun you had with it gone, ya know?
@@sarim.97 as a fellow genshin fan whose taken a few breaks here and there. here is my life advice: -completely ignore dailies from here on out. theres no point, no interest, no art, nothing. its meaningless, completely and utterly. -dont do spiral abyss unless you REALLY need the extra primos -dont grind artifacts after the minimum. you dont NEED maximum crit chance and damage on your new shiny character if youre not going for 12 star abyss. and of course, just enjoy the little things. the beautiful scenery, the clever puzzles, the small stories, dont feel the need to completely every little side quest if theyre boring as hell and dont seem to have a point in the grand scheme of things
@@azuarc i tried taking break from genshin many times, a few weeks, a month, a few months, it get to the point every time i comeback i got another "welcome old player comeback" package, none of the "rest" make me enjoy the game again. the fact that it keep getting heavier and heavier and screwing up my laptop doesn't help, i can't play that much other games because Genshin alone takes up a half of my laptop's memory, i even upgrade my hardware once just for this game. Slowly i find nothing but negative towards the game. Then the update before fontaine ask for 12GB more, my laptop gave up and so did i. i figured if i barely enjoy sumeru when it first came out then i won't enjoy fontaine either, i quit quickly, feel no sadness, no regret. i felt relieve even that this is over, which i've never felt with any other game before. Genshin as a whole is honestly just a very weird experience to me.
I tend to avoid this feeling by simply deleting the game after I'm "done" with it (if it had a few endings and is good I'll replay on the spot). It gave me the feeling of melancholy similar to that of going home from a theme park
Such a great video as always Daryl!! My old married couple was Fallout 76 (yeah I know, but I swear that it was pretty addictive 😂) and I think that I got luck on that because I knew I had to let go thanks to the game itself, I had done what I wanted and was pretty powerful (around lv 500 and more than 400 hours on it) and there was not much endgame content left for me. Thanks to that I've been able to play many other jewels and notice when I'm playing a Game too much, and I hope others do that. I know that there are very addicting good games out there, but there are many others that are worth our time too.
several years ago, i got to a point in rocket league where i was getting so mad at not just losing games, but losing plays, that i would be throwing my controller and smashing my fist on my table. it got so bad that once, i threw my controller down the hallway and almost broke it completely. it was at that point that i decided to stop playing rocket league, and stop playing games i didn't like playing in general. these days, if i find myself not enjoying a game experience, then i won't play anymore. there are SO MANY games out there to play, and so many other things to do in general, that it isn't worth beating your head against a wall to try and inch out any slight bit of satisfaction as you can from something. not for a video game, especially.
This essay was pretty amazing, you really got to my personal side a lot of times during this video The references to games i play like dota and genshin also made it a lot more enjoyable:D Btw yeah you should definitely do a video about oshi no ko 👌
I feel this a lot more with books and movies, and since I enjoy narrative heavy games sometimes with games as well. I continue to watch/read/play hoping the story gets better and it isn't until I'm done that I can say yeah that actually sucked.
Okay this was great and it really speaks to my relationship with league. I got to the point where the time invested to get to the next level was not worth it and stopped. I still go back to have fun now and then but its not the same, that time has left and what's left is just the embers of passion I once had. Great video keep up the good work! Also what is the song at 17:23? I feel like it ff10 but I am not sure
As SOON as you mentioned playing a game so long that you notice stuff that annoy the hell out of you, instantly made me think of several moments in several of my favourite games, Final Fantasy VI, Majora's Mask, Okami, I adore those games so much, but every time, I get to certain points thinking "Dammit, now I have to do this again"
I haven’t read or watched Oshi no Ko, but I’ve heard a lot of great things as it has come from the author of Love is War and another artist. The idol industry it explores doesn’t pull me in much, but I’d love to know your thoughts on it and would definitely watch 👍 your anime video previously was top notch IMO and got me right in the feels
It explores showbiz in general rather than just the idol industry (of the two protagonists, one becomes an idol and the other is in showbiz in another capacity).
Man, the Genshin part really hit home. I remember loving it soooo much when i first started. It looked like a Miyazaki movie came to life. I loved exploring, I liked the story, I loved the characters. Then, at some point while artifact grinding, I suddenly realized how tedious it is, and I don't like this game anymore. I never felt heartbreak yet but I assume it feels just like this. I tried to keep playing, I thought of the money and hours I've spent building, wishing for characters. But eventually, I stopped. I had to, for my own sake. Now it's just a good memory.
That's Genshin biggest problem , it's best parts are the explaration and the story & characters , but you can only experience those once for and for a minuscule amount of the total play time of the game , while the rest and majority of the content is combat , quests , events and grinding of a quality from "this is boring and a pain to do" to "this really REALLY fun"
Same here. I also stopped when I realized that the way the game wants you to log in everyday was turning it into a chore. I hate routines and being forced to do things and when I found out that they have events with story/character progression that are unavailable after the event ends, I was done with it
A good memory indeed. That's the right way to part ways. The game may have become tedious to you eventually, but no one can take away those good hours where the game was still fun.
@@kirbytrax8326 Yeah. That kind of game design where you feel the need to play every day to keep up is what gets people burnt out. And missing out on content just because you couldn't play a specific time really takes the fun out of it. But I actually enjoy the small mindless daily commisions and resin domain grinding. It's a nice way to relax either between breakfast and work or after work. And if I don't feel like playing that day I just don't.
@Runegrem I guess I'm also not a mobile gamer so for me winding down (playing games) would be either with my Switch or at home on my pc and in both cases I have games that relax me or interest me more Also I just generally hate grinding in any game so yeah... artifacts weren't fun lol
Damn this one resonated with my one so much. I can’t describe how deeply you touched my soul. I play Minecraft now not because I enjoy it, but because I miss it. I miss the life I had when I did enjoy it. I miss my friends. I miss the easy life. I miss my childhood. This game that has LITERALLY taken up over 30% of my total life (that’s total, not awake) is now a stranger to me. I’ve mastered it and now I’m forever chasing that first year. I miss when I first played Minecraft, but more importantly, I miss WHO I WAS when I first played Minecraft. P.S. I haven’t heard of that one so I’m not sure if I’d watch it tbh. Depends on how captivating a title of the video it is if I’m being honest.
Whenever I'm facing a seriously tough challenge in a game, one I'm trying over and over, I tend to fall into this cycle: First, I love attempting the challenge and making progress. Then I slowly stop making progress, and start to get annoyed. Then I get frazzled or lose focus and have a lot of really bad runs. And then? I get angry. Especially if I'm trying to get this challenge done _now,_ I'm pissed off. But I take that energy, and with a determined fury I focus... and don't have an amazing attempt. I do still have to take a bit to calm myself down, but I'm still channeling that persistent spite at that point, and that power is what allows to, pretty soon after, complete my goal.
1:43 As someone who watched the Mayday: Air Disaster episode for the Concorde crash, I can confirm that Concorde did go back in the air briefly after safety recommendations were carried out. Unfortunately, it wasn't for long, as in 2003, the Concorde was retired.
Lol i genuinely love Genshin. I love quest heavy games and the world quests in Genshin draw me in. As a performance arts professional, i also absolutely adore all the stage & theatre references in the game - they're very well researched and are so inside baseball at times that I swear they must have theatre professionals on their writing staff. (I've done stage magic so I'm SUPER excited for Fontaine!!) I'm f2p mainly because I've not felt a strong enough urge to pay a cent (i kinda promised myself that I'll only pay for the gacha if they make Jeht playable). I do sometimes wonder if i should throw some dollars Hoyoverse's way just so they can do more of their arts outreach work! I have taken breaks from Genshin and i dont necessarily feel like I'm missing out - i come for the content i enjoy. I think me going f2p helps a bit with not feeling the sunk cost fallacy, but at the same time i also dont have a ton of tolerance for games that i find myself hating, even if i paid for it. I bought Disco Elysium and ended up hating one of the early quests so hard that i stopped playing - that game isn't cheap! There are games that have made me cry for how needlessly hard it is (as in, not hard on purpose, but it's too finicky for no good reason) and most of the time i drop them. It can sting to know that you've spent money you cant get back (esp digital downloads where you can't exactly resell the game even for a loss) but better that then wasting my time on experiences that frustrate me to tears.
I've been playing Genshin alongside Tears of the Kingdom and it's been surprisingly stark how much I prefer Genshin. TotK is a masterpiece and a big step up from BotW, but Genshin raised the bar and keeps raising it. Genshin's surprisingly light monetization was one of the reasons I gave it a shot. You don't even unlock the shop until you're a good ways in, the $5/month trickle option is blatantly more cost-effective than immediate rewards, and even that's only around a quarter of the premium currency you can get f2p each update. Limited-time gacha characters come back every few months, and there's a hard cap on pulls before you're guaranteed the character.
Just our of curiosity - what quest in disco elysium do you mean? (Apart from that, thank you for sharing your genshin experience. To me, this is definetly on of those "I DESPISE it, but still play for hours and day on end"-type of game, so it's nice to hear that people actually enjoy it without feeling forced to keep logging in)
Trust me, whatever benefit you think spending money is going to give them, they already have it. Anything you could possibly give them would be inconsequential compared to what they've already made. I personally think Genshin is a bad game, not simply due to the monetization system, so it's interesting to read that the quests "draw you in". The dialogue is far too bloated with unnecessary sections.
Mis amigos ahora tienen un subidón de autoestima sabiendo que encarar los juegos que odian o los hacen sentir enojo los prepara mejor para la semana laboral XD. Quiero ese video sobre Oshi no ko!!!
I've also been wondering on the nature of "why we play" and "why we continue". But it's not terrible to consider how many games we have and how many we have the time to play. And ultimately the decision on why we're still here. Great job on the video.
The thing I suggest to every person who is hating their game like I do, just take a break :) I take breaks from games like Valorant and League of Legends all the time, and when I come back I enjoy it a lot more (for a bit). Or just play less! Remember to keep the charm alive for you for these games, because we really love them
Every time I hear of people who grow tired of a good thing like a specific song or game, I'm always filled with appreciation for not only what I currently have, but also for undying love. Yes, sometimes too much of something good is tiring, but other times, like with myself, undying love exists and will NEVER stop loving somethings. No matter how many thousand hour I put into Undertale, or if it's the three thousandth time I've listed to Karma by AJR, I will never stop loving those things.
this is a really important topic that contributes to why people have been losing their love with videogames in recent years love ur coverage of these topics as always, i hope that i still get to play the games i like and leave the games i hate behind one day
As someone who recently stopped playing overwatch and growing tired of fps games as a whole alot of this hit. i’ll always look fondly on my first play of the game the late night 6 man comp grinds but the past few months of us trying to recapture that fun leaving us all just in a bad mood and finally leaving the game was by far the best decision i’ve made. All those 1000s of hours now being spent on improving on other competitive games i enjoy or finally working through my backlog of the games i genuinely want to experience
When it comes to games that I have a love/hate relationship with, it's definitely the Danganronpa series. No matter how many times I play the series, I can't help but point out many flaws these games have, but ultimately I still have a good time playing those games. As to the question at the end of the video.... YES! I'd watch a video about Oshi no Ko. I need more Oshi no Ko in my life after the last chapter, lol
@@TheOrian34 That's definitely true. To this day I still can't bring myself to hate some of the first game's characters (like Sayaka for instance), as the circumstances changed their personalities so much. Although the second game's cast has some meh characters here and there (looking at you Teruteru). I still haven't played V3 yet tho, so can't speak on characters from that game
@@Limit02 To be frank, for me the Danganronpa series is just as good a murder mystery game as the Ace Attorney series, but the minigames are kinda disrupting the pacing of the Class Trials. But, at the same time, the 5th and 6th mainline games in the Ace Attorney series (in other words Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice respectively) thrown in some minigames to the mix that disrupt the pacing of their trials. So definitely neither of those series is perfect lol
@@Syankstin all those weird class trial mini games somehow completely left my mind lmao Also def play V3 when you find the desire, it’s divisive for reasons but I also think it’s the best game in the whole series
The first step to moving on is acceptance. You gotta accept the way you feel about the game instead of pushing those feelings away. Also, yes, I would watch a video about Oshi no ko.
I like to find beauty in the imperfections. It's humbling to know that no matter how good something is, there will always be something wrong with it. If one can accept those imperfections and deal with them appropriately, they can have an absolute blast.
take a break if you need to, daryl, well be here whenever you feel like you can come back as for the video, ive been keeping track of every game ive played this year in a text box on my steam profile- the thing is, ive been writing the game's title down not when i beat it, but when i "get" it, when i get a good grasp of the game's systems and really understand the intended experience. with some stuff, i write it down during the second playthrough, with others, like spider man miles morales, i wrote it down halfway through the campaign. i ended up finishing it ofc, but there wasnt that pressure to finish it just to check a box. the box was already checked, so i could quit whenever i wantes, and i knew that if im still playing, its bc im having a good time. this works WONDERS with multiplayer stuff, like the new-ish battlebit remastered. its just battlefield, i understood it immediately and wrote it down on the list after an hour of play, but im still out there grinding it by myself or with friends because its still fun! im sure theres some interesting psychology thing in there buried under the rambling, but youre more equipped to find it than i am- either way, fantastic video, i loved it and it really made me think
This used to be me with Overwatch before the game was killed…and then I realized that once I stopped playing after years of chasing improvement, I started feeling a lot better about myself 💀
There's a reason I usually only play a game I loved once. I don't want to end up hating it by finding its flaws and realising they're there. Nothing will capture the magic of the first playthrough, and I don't want that magic to be ruined.
This is why I refuse to go back to Secret of Mana. If you ask me what my favorite game of all-time is, I'll tell you that. But I also know damn well that 14-year-old me played it through long hours of grinding the magic and dealing with its mechanics in a way that 30-years-later me would not care for at all. Quite simply, I'm terrified of seeing the game for what it really is, rather than the magic I attribute to it.
I have a feeling many people who were fans of Bioshock Infinite likely decided to only play it once. I've seen many who replayed it recently and they noticed a LOT of plotholes and other flaws that they didn't before.
Yeah I learned this the hard way with Chrono Trigger. I beat it the first time and played through it at least five more times in a very short time frame of a month or so. I really enjoyed it the first time but it lost so much of that after going back. I ended up so burnt out with it that I still can’t make myself go back to it because I’ve already learned the game from front-to-back and even a few years later I remember most of that information making another playthrough almost pointless and incredibly unfun.
"I hope you love hating it."
This hits different. To me this is not an encouragement to negativity but of persistence.
This is the exact reason I love rage games
Would've lost my sanity ages ago if hate-sink games weren't a thing...
The CoD community in a nutshell.
@@trashaimgamer7822 I thought your comment said GD for a second and I was like "wow this hits close to home"
Then I remembered I haven't played GD for like 2 or 3 years
That depends. I hated playing League. So I'm glad I stopped. I rage when I forget something silly and get one shot in Elden Ring. But overall, I have a great time playing it.
I've seen Souls games being aptly described as "revenge simulators". You develop a relationship of sorts with the bosses, and the satisfaction comes from toppling a foe that caused you so much frustration and anguish.
To me, the satisfaction is felt as long as the process of fighting those bosses feels engaging enough that beating them feels like a sign of improvment. If I'm dealing with a fight I don't enjoy, sometimes I don't feel satisfaction when I win and the feeling is moreso "thank goodness it's over". When I was fighting Malenia in Elden Ring over and over again, I just wanted to be done with the fight and call it a day.
I guess the only reason I didn't give up is so that I don't have to think about doing it again. Mind you, this is isn't the common reaction to a boss. I usually really enjoy overcoming bosses in these games. Artorias, Nameless King, Sister Fride, Midir, Gael, Genichiro and Isshin. Those are just a few example of fights I felt proud of overcoming.
Admittedly, my feelings with Elden Ring bosses were overall more negative in comparison to past games, since I often felt like I couldn't play with most of my builds without making things extremely tedious due to the agression and damage of bosses. VG Matthew's boss critique video on Elden Ring does a good job of explaining what I'm alluding to. So I am worried that Fromsoft will try to keep their games harder and harder to the point that the feeling of satisfaction starts being replaced by "I hope I never have to do this again".
@@leithaziz2716 Completely agree. When the feeling is "thank goodness it's over", usually that's a sign that something's gone wrong. I suppose it's about striking a balance between having it be a challenge while making sure it's still engaging/fun. I think one reason the souls games have gained so much popularity is because they seem to hit the sweet spot more often than not.
From my own experience, a lot of that comes down to player agency. I'm much more likely to enjoy an 11/10 difficulty fight where I can tell clearly that the deaths are my fault than a 9/10 difficulty fight that feels like it's full of cheap shots, poor balancing, bad RNG, etc.
As you put it, beating a boss should feel like a sign of improvement. If I feel like I beat an unfair boss just by being lucky, that doesn't do much for me.
@@UsernameyMcUsernameFacecouldn’t agree more.
“Revenge Simulator” is absolute poetry.
@@leithaziz2716 Yeah I did not enjoy that fight. Can't put my finger on why but Isshin and demon of hatred in sekiro took me about the same amount of time to beat as malenia did (6-ish hours), but I enjoyed them SO much more, I was not frustrated at all.
daryl has a real talent for causing me to have an existential crisis about how i spend my time sitting in a chair staring at a screen while moving my thumbs
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oh shit
3.5k hours of my life I won't get back
Whats important about gaming is not whats going on in the body, or in the physical space, but what is going on in the mind. I have no regrets.
@@Ares_gaming_117 It was fun, but I think I could have spent my time better than grinding tf2.
@@rehab_herr sorry you have that regret, but we usually do whats most fun for us at the time. All you can do is just look back and laugh at how younger you got your kicks. And if thats still you, you can adjust accordingly.
I'm an old gamer.. literally. 50 years old. So I've experienced each scenario described here dozens of times. For me, I've been learning (through horribly unpleasant consequences) that when I feel angry about a game, it is often a reflection of other, larger issues that need to be faced, and continuing to play the game is likely going to result in further unpleasant consequences. Time to stop playing and deal with the other issues. If I don't stop, then it's likely I'm addicted and it's harming me.
Well said! I've found that the frustration can be not with the game, but the tension that comes from feeling obligated to play it. Sometimes it's aboit doing something else that you plain and simply prefer to sp instead of playing. Sometimes that's another game. Sometimes it's a walk in the park or cooking a nice meal.
when he added we might dislike a competitive game because losing this is what i thought of. i dont mind losing. i dislike when an annoying mechanic in the game(loveable quirk or otherwise) is sufferable and annoying. the good part of the game that i enjoy keep me in it, i just wish the shitty parts could be retrospectively removed
Very based
I have noticed the same, but for some reson it only became obvious after reading your comment. Sometimes I play games to sooth off some stress of other parts of life. And sometimes it goes well. But if I perform my escaping in a game that may have frustrating bits involved, I just become angry and more stressed, making the issue worse. It is imprortant to perform escapism with a clear mind and full focus so that escapism can reach the wanted result of unwinding the stress.
I'm only 32 but I've luckily learned this as well. There's making progress and challenging yourself, and there's self-harm and dopamine-chasing. I've had to do dopamine cleanses and take myself away from certain games before and it helped me really understand that.
That intro story about the "Concord", how much money took to creat it and later nobody wanted to buy it... hits different in september 2024 when I'm watching this.
If i had a nickel for every time a product named "Concord" was a huge commercial failure, i wouldn't survive in this economy but it's weird that it happened twice
I've adopted an operating procedure that I like to call "The Pantheon Rule", which is basically, if you realize that doing something optional is going to make you hate something you love, don't do it. The rule is a direct reference to Hollow Knight's Pantheon challenges. They are these long boss rushes that can feature the entire boss cast, including new ones exclusive to the challenges. I quickly came to the determination that doing these grueling challenges, where failure meant starting all over again and wasting hours of time, would make me hate a game I loved. So I didn't, and I've never regretted it.
that's a really good philosophy. basically, "only 100% a game if the process is going to be fun. otherwise, just complete it up to the percentage where it's still fun". thanks!
Yup, I did the first two pantheons, failed the third, said "well that's enough of that" and moved on. The completionist part of my brain is a little annoyed about it still, but I'm aware enough of my own skill and patience to know that I would despise trying to finish them, and that even if I did the excitement at the end would not be worth the hassle.
That's a good way to put it! I have similar with Octopath Traveller - I LOVED both games, but I'm mainly in it for the stories and side quests. I don't need to do the extra hard bonus bosses - I can always catch up online if I want to know what happens.
I think I ran into this with Dead Cells' highest difficulties that locked the secret final boss behind it. Aside from adding new mechanics that changed the experience as a whole, it boosted enemy spawn rate, damage and health.
It made things extremely stressful as you basically had to play optimally for a decent chance at beating it. I felt like I accidently made myself enjoy the game less just cause I wanted to see everything it had to offer. At least the secret boss was fun. With Hollow Knight, I gave up at the 5th pantheon since a single run was too time consuming to keep retrying.
I had a similar experience w HK.
Love the main game. Beaten it many times. Love the idea of the Pantheons. Couldn’t get past P3 and decided I didn’t need to since it isn’t like it actually changes anything in the story.
Internalizing what I felt was the "moral" of Undertale really helped me with this. After it, I was okay with quitting a game I felt I wasn't enjoying, or leaving parts of it unexplored, or not 100%-ing a game.
After my run I just realized that it wanted me to hate it and I said 'okay I kinda do'.
@@nathanlevesque7812what do you mean?
@@404_nowheresnotfound3 that he hated it.
Great video as always Daryl!
I hadn't realized that I definitely have an Old Married Couple relationship with Breath of the Wild.
But the biggest takeaway from watching this is that we as game lovers need to listen to ourselves and not rely so much on external validation.
That game in particular suffers because the meat of the game is the discovery. The combat, story, and dungeons are all pretty weak imo, but they get the job done and support the true goal of the game: to explore hyrule. Because of this, future playthroughs kind of suck, because you can’t relive that core part of the game every again.
The intro about the concord plane really hits different after sony's concord lmao
This video made me delete Overwatch 2
Your comment gave me the final push to do it too!
Usually I'm pretty good at only picking up games that I end up enjoying.
Yes, there's always some I enjoy more than others, but overall it is pretty rare I buy a game that i actively dislike or regret buying.
A few years ago I was finally getting around to playing through a bunch of Zelda titles, Twilight Princess, then Windwaker and Skyward Sword and I really loved all of them. So I was thinking about which Zelda to check out next... and one of the most popular Zeldas or even games period was Breath of the Wild.
I was kind of iffy on checking it out, since it's rare that I get invested in games with large open world, but hey, like you said in the video, "there's no way so many people can be wrong about this game right?"
And it was just such a slog for me, especially compared to the earlier titles I didn't enjoy the combat, the shrines felt so boring compared to old dungeons and just the lack of narrative or at least an interesting companion character made the sprawling open world make me feel like I was in hell.
Still i forced myself to at least finish it, because hey, maybe it gets better?, but it just never did anything for me at all.
(I don't mean to say BotW is a bad game, it just didn't click with me *at all*, which is also why I most likely will never try out TotK either)
Definitely got trapped by a combination of sunk cost fallacy and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the game.
Thogh it did teach me to have more faith in my own judgement of games instead of listening to what people say is good or bad, so there's that at least :)
Great video as always!
You hit the nail on the head. I loved BOTW, but I completely see why it didn’t do it for everyone and that’s fine.
If there’s anything I’ve learned with this backlog challenge, it’s how to drop games if I’m not having fun. Life is too short and in my experience, you typically get to the meat and potatoes of a game pretty quickly, so it’s not usually necessary to keep on digging. Not always, but usually.
I have the complete opposite. I have played some older 2d zelda's but never really tried an older 3d zelda before botw. Since they still get so much praise i have tried many times to play trough them. Oot, TP, WW, SS. I have tried them all but never could get trought them. The only reason i kept trying is because of the great reception 3d zelda games get, but the games just arent for me.
Im sure they are amazing games, i just cant get hooked on them
I hate it when I try a classic that a lot of people love but it somehow doesn’t click for me. I bought Hollow Knight and Outer Wilds after so many people said that those games are absolutely amazing, and somehow didn’t like them for some reason.
@@ThePC007oh I couldn't get through the first bit of Outer Wilds, I couldn't even take off properly! Luckily I got it via Gamepass so I didn't cost me extra, but I cut my losses early on that one
@@CreatrixTiara I had no issues with that. I actually really, really liked the spaceship physics. The game doesn’t hold your hand in that regard, but is also quite forgiving. You can bump into a planet at quite the significant speed without crashing your ship, and even you you do damage it it is easy to fix.
I just… wasn’t having too much fun for some reason and I don’t know why.
Wow the way you combined these four seemingly separate feelings into "How do we know when to move on?" was extremely therapeutic.
I feel like another option that wasn't mentioned but is super powerful imo would be: if you're playing a game trying to recapture the magic of the first playthrough, but can't help but see its growing flaws over time while your nostalgia fades away, missing that forgotten feeling of playing the perfect game for the first time, why not try to **make** one?
It's the most influential turning-point to any fan of any art form; the moment you've consumed many games and begin to feel a feeling that there's a game that's missing (but doesn't exist, yet), or you begin to see the flaws of your favorite games and begin to wonder or think of ways it can be fixed or improved, you've just begun the privilege of hearing the artist's calling for the first time.
Those who follow the artist's calling begin the amazing journey of creation, transitioning from a consumer to a producer, fueled by the passion of giving back to their communities or the game genres they love. That calling is the reason why people get inspired to create their dream games, which could inspire others after them to create their dream games, and the beautiful cycle of creation repeats on and on.
I've been thinking of getting into gamedev myself someday, inspired by games and wanting to tell stories myself. For example, a game that really inspires me would be the Kingdom Hearts series , but I don't need to tell you how jarringly flawed it's convoluted plot can be; despite that, due to how much the games get right, I can't help but think if there was a game that captures the magic of Kingdom Hearts but nails the story. While I'm unable to make a game with a scope anywhere near that of Kingdom Hearts anytime soon, the inspiration of creation that I get from playing them gives me hope that I may make something amazing like it someday in the future.
Regardless, I think the option of moving from a consumer of games to a producer is a powerful option and shouldn't be undemrined, giving back to the games/genres you love through inspiration and passion, possibly inspiring others to create their dream games in the process too.
@@SashraanMusic oh my, THAT is what CGI stands for?!
I felt that call strongly enough to act on it after playing outer wilds and paradise killer. Mostly because there is a very limited amount of truly amazing mystery/exploring games, and the magic is all gone after your first play through. I doubt I'll make a game of that caliber, but if I can give just a little bit of that feeling to others, it's so worth it.
How do you produce a game? I had no prior knowledge in game design, coding or anything tech related.
when pocket pair did it the Poketarded fanbase were seething
yeah that is *exactly* why I've been learning to develop a platformer game on Unity. I love Sonic games so much but every single one of them is flawed in one way or another, even the classics. I've strong sense of what exactly I hate about them, and how I could improve upon the gameplay formula for those kinds of games
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Games aside, I’ve fallen victim to sunk cost in school and college, and it has only been months since I discovered the consequences of academically pushing myself without stopping. I was determined to move forward by setting nearly everything else in my life aside just to leave with a degree, and the stale workload felt exhausting. I’m still recovering from my mental crash, and I surely needed this vid. Many thanks!
Great vid, great discussion, great edits, and great job acknowledging us mobile viewers at 3:47! :-)
I played more games this and last year than every year before that point and I have had an absolute blast. Instead of trying to reignite that flame of first time playing Minecraft, I have found new experiences that are almost as memorable. If you are stuck playing the same game you should breach out and try new things. It is always worth it. Even if you don’t like it you at-least tried.
Legit I keep running into this type of comment recently. It's mainly been about FF16 but this year games are been killing it in the 2nd quarter coming round into the 3rd
@@iaxacs3801 I basically just copied what Stryxo said in his video. But yeah I actually have played a LOT of games lately.
I've completely ditched minecraft once and forall.
Damn, I've actually been replaying a game I used to love over 15 years ago and finding myself still loving it just as much, if not more. Not only am I smiling with anticipation at all the fun parts I remember, but my more experienced brain picks up on new things to appreciate. Obviously you can never experience that mythical first playthrough all over again, but a repeat one can still be as fulfilling in its own unique wa y.
I just wanted to write a similar comment, I'm playing Arkham Asylum again after almost 10 years. Obviously I know the plot but it's so enjoyable, I keep looking around at every corner for small details. Now that I properly understand english it may be even better than the first time.
That's me whenever I replay Hollow Knight after giving myself a long break away from it. I'm at awe at how much cool stuff, mechanics, wonderfull NPCs and compelling worldbuilding there is that you take for granted when you play the game a lot.
Sekiro gives me simillar feelings when I replay it and remember how excellent the pacing and combat is. These games aren't that old, but it's the closest examples for me.
@@icefox4074I love the arkham games.
The key is not overdoing it, and personally i don't understand why tf people replay something all the time
It has to be after a long time away from it, when the experience is "new but familiar".
@@denisdelinger3265I have a similar attitude to movies, I feel like I still remember the highlights and the experience still feels "fresh" (can't think of a better word) for years. I'm still not in the mood to watch Scarface for the third time and that was back in 2020
Same for games obviously but I just felt like sharing since people can re-watch movies far more often than I find enjoyable
@dyrr836 I’m curious, what game is it?
Showing Nioh, maining Cammy, rolling on Eula, Daryl is an incredibly cultured personage.
Unfathomably based
You don't get less cultured than playing genshin
@@icarustar2457*more
Don't forget his GGST main being Millia Rage.
@@icarustar2457 you have an anime pfp i don't think we can make fun of Genshin fans.
There's been many times in my life that i've stopped playing a game, usually due to storage space issues. I'm the type who likes to stick to games for long periods of time and become sentimental about my experiences with them, so stopping a game can be quite painful, especially when you have that one (or few) characters who were with you throughout the game. It feels like giving up a part of my life, something i grew up with. As someone who never really had pictures of himself when younger, this caused me to start taking screenshots of a game before quitting it, forming a little picture album of my fondest memories in games. Feels a little weird to think about it, but i feel it goes to show up for many of us nowadays, games are not just some addiction, an escape from life, but rather a part of it. The lessons we learn, the experiences we gain, the friends we make, games mean a lot to us
The use of "Concord" to describe something you have too much of a sunk cost in has aged like fine wine
Playing Before Your Eyes is probably what changed my mindset from someone who used to force myself to 100% every game to see everything a game has to offer, or burn out in the process and never touch it again. The beautifully integrated mechanics and message of the game, as well as having played it the night of my college graduation really made me think about my time and how I spend it and why.
Nowadays I just play whatever I feel like in the moment, even if that means leaving a game untouched for weeks or months if I don’t actually want to play it. Makes it a bit difficult to get back into it when I do want to play something after leaving it a while, but thanks to that I finally finished Dark Souls and absolutely loved it.
Damn. As someone who is planning to go buy an engagement ring to my girl today and HAS experienced the feeling of little things that used to be fine but now annoy the hell out of me and gets me worried about our future, this video hit so damn HARD.
Edit: and now I'm genuinely crying after that "love hating it" line.
If those little things are enough to put you off a person, you’re either with the wrong person or have unrealistic expectations - or just aren’t a good match anymore. That new-relationship high doesn’t last all that long, and I’ll take being an old married couple any day.
I was with the same partner for 18 years. The first four we weren’t married, the next 14 we were. The first 10 in general were great, but ups and downs in life like anyone. Then things changed over time, and after 18 years she decided she needed to do things solo from then on. I was not pleased at this news to put it mildly, but she was right. Ultimately we were no longer a fit, but it wasn’t because of how long we had been together or because we were fed up with one another; it was because we got together so very young that we went through a ton of life changes as a pair, and came out on the other side in different places.
The experience didn’t put me off marriage, but it made me want to look for a different kind of partner who was going to meet me where I was. At my age at the time, there were way more major life events behind than ahead, which made that easier in some ways. My second wife and I have just passed our third wedding anniversary, and have been together four years. Time flies.
I don’t have any great advice, but I know a lot of divorced people, and none of them were just from getting tired of the other person. Most people grow and change throughout their entire lives, so is super long term relationship is more like his description of playing DOTA 2 years later. For good and ill, people manage to change and stay the same all at once. 😅
Bro, don't let a youtube video about games discourage you from locking yourself for years into a relationship that you will slowly watch deteriorate and die, as you grow to hate every little thing you loved about it
@@Julez108 well that just got personal real fast
@@Julez108who hurt you bro I’ll fight them for u
If it works then it will work, who knows what time brings….single dad of 4 with full custody and has been to prison….14 years we lasted….now unfortunately every relationship I want with women involves only 1 thing now oh well….I have a lot of money and video game time when I’m not working at points.
"Would yall watch a video on-"
I'll stop you right there, Daryl
The answer is yes
*immediately starts script on what good boys my dogs are*
@@DarylTalksGames
Yes, we would watch that.
Please make it happen next April Fools.
ive no idea what it is about but im scared
@@finaldusk1821, or August 26th
the talent daryl has for evoking emotions during his ending sequences is so underrated, and man it's the perfect cherry on top for video essays like this. also very audibly excited to see the oshi no ko teaser at the end of the video
I'm glad you included Genshin and put a spotlight on it as the community talks about this over and over again, where theres literal guides about understanding and solving player burnout lol. I was ready to stop if 3.0 didnt deliver, yet the game constantly delivers new highs - like end credit roll worthy feelings over a recent Yoimiya side quest. And ive got alot of confidence their 4.0 will have a fresh breakthrough with the first steps into a new region evoking something new. I just stopped logging in to play everyday to burn my 'relationship' with a game that i like, as there's nothing quite like it. I dont want to reinforce its weaker sides, the wannabe mmo gear grind for scaling/friction/pressure points that isnt there out of fear I'll hate and regret my time with the game. The game isnt difficult, memes is the true endgame, the best content is permanent and will wait for you.
20:35 I already have IDOL by Yoasobi permanently living rent free in my head, you tell me.
Damn, it's like you're watching my life. I've been slamming mods into a game I've played 2000 hours of trying to recapture the feelings I had years ago to no avail, trying to feel anything really and this video hit me like a sack of bricks. This put in context what I've been dealing with for months and I get it now. Thanks for the soul crushing realization that I need to just move on a play something else.
Also, yes do an Oshi No Ko video, just do it. Daryl Talks Anime is the second reason I'm here besides crippling and painful realizations about my life.
Exactly me with terraria
Or you could do something other than videogames.
@@saintsalieri Unfortunately my body is withering (I can't repair damage) so I'm not able to do much physical activity. So making games and playing games is basically my work and actual life. Can't find as much joy in other sedentary hobbies.
I played Celeste, my first true platformer, not too long ago. I was really bad at it, but that just made me more determined to beat it. The same logic applied to Jevil and Spamton NEO.
Conversely, I adore Little Nightmares, but don't play the games too often to avoid the "old couple" feeling.
I love tricky platformers and have been playing them for decades, but at first I wrote Celeste off as too hard before finishing the first level. The brilliance of Celeste is that pretty much everyone will be "really bad at it" going in, but it's designed to help you rise to the challenge. Lots of media has the message that "you can do hard things", but in Celeste you LIVE that message by defeating challenge after seemingly insurmountable challenge.
When it comes to the souring of what you love, the realization of flaws, I say this:
in a song, a relationship, a game, you have to learn to recognize the flaws are actually quirks. You have to love the flaws. Because without them, it would not have been what you remembered. It would have been something else
"Babe, I wasn't cheating, I was just being quirky!"
This comment reminds me of how every time I’ve been on a vacation, once I’m back and it’s all memory, my mind is able to edit out all the hassle and bad parts and remember the highlights. In a lot of ways the game we first played and the highs we remember might grow apart with time.
Wow, this is such a poetic video essay. The line “it’s about learning to let go” struck a chord with me. I’m not really all that old, and yet I keep finding myself reminiscing over the first (insert experience here) and I think to myself if I will ever find something like it again. In order to do so, I have to learn to let go and move on, to not get attached. But part of me just won’t let go, because if I do it means there is a possibility that I forget about it, and idk but that thought kind of makes me sad and a bit scared.
This was really interesting from the perspective of a speedrunner. I specifically only speedrun games that I love because I know how much time and commitment it's going to take and even then I sometimes can find myself getting so frustrated that I have to step away because it feels like I'm starting to hate it. But I eventually come back because of my love for the game and my desire to get better. I even stepped away from speedrunning in general for over a year at one point but got right back into it catching up on all the new strats and getting new PBs within weeks.
This came at a really pertinent time for me. I've made a list of all the armor in *Tears of the Kingdom* and have been scrounging around for the resources. I was working my way through Lizalfos Tails, which have a terrible drop rate and you need to kill a lot of them in order to get enough. And I don't need to do that. I don't need to upgrade the Rubber Armor Set; I have the Lightning Helm! I'm immune to electrical attacks already!
I get why Nintendo put the same armor sets from BotW into totk but upgrading armor definitely feels even more tedious than it did in BotW. It would’ve been cool if they added some way to combine armor sets like the frog armor and the climbing gear.
Item duplication glitches exist in TOTK. I haven’t gotten tired of the game yet but I’m keeping that knowledge in my back pocket once the enjoyment starts to slow down. As a friend of mine said, “Life’s too short to grind in a single player game”.
I would love to see a video addressing manga lol
Also this video really encapsulates and justifies some of my issues when it comes to getting into the souls like genre and allowing me to categorize my guilt when it comes the asynchronous way I engage with the game and how the game is intended to be played. I quit the game after the gameplay loop frustrated me on a more...unsatisfying level. One where rage didn't make me motivated but incredibly tired. It feels nice to see a video that processes what I went through so succinctly!
I also never got into souls games, I just realized I'm not the type who likes getting my face mashed in by a boss for five hours
@@medrash8862 Most go down in under 10 attempts, people just like to overexaggerate them
@@ama9385-w2g with my skill level five hours is more accurate lol (also im aware its exaggerated since i do it a lot myself)
Combining manga with this topic you have these people in the comments who always go something like, "This manga is awful. I'm gonna stop reading it." And then the reply comes, "Okay. See you next week!" And they always return to complain again.
@@medrash8862 Fair enough hadn't realised you'd tried 👍
I love getting past part of a game that was challenging or really tricky or what have you, but I've noticed with certain games it's just so brutal that finally finishing it isn't even satisfying. I just feel like it's about time and I never want to play this ever again.
15:20 "Too much of a good thing can sour this thing for you"
Immediately remember Minecraft 😢
The last question about oshi no ko…. Yes, I will 100% watch it 20:40
Amazing video as always! In my case, I am the "I will finish everything I started" type, but over the years and having experienced games that were not worth playing from the 3rd hour, I have come to the conclusion that some games can't be finished by the actual me. I still finish like 95% of the games I start playing (mostly because I start a game type that appeals me NOW, without social pressure or FOMO), but when it's the perfect time to play it and I get that "man I truly prefer doing some other thing" feeling, that's when I drop it. Maybe the future me will enjoy it more and finish it, now it's not the time.
I expected a random video essay, but this one touched my heart. Thanks for this
as i get older (i'm not old i'm only 28 but yknow) i've become a lot more accepting of when i just don't want to play a game anymore. i used to get so mad at myself for not finishing a game or losing momentum in the mulitplayer space but now i'm just like, i had a great time with it, and now i can move on to new things. to live is to grow and move forward and experience new wonderful things you can fondly look back on. stagnating by forcing yourself to try and re-live your initial experience just leaves you sad and wanting. it's really freeing to accept this honestly.
Was not expecting that ending with the Oshi no Ko manga. As a fan of this series and manga in general, it would be so great to see my favourite game psychology UA-camr delve into the psychology of Oshi no Ko given that there is so much to unpack in it. I hope you do make a video on it someday
I've watched an anime. I would watch a video about oshi for sure
I haven’t watched or read it yet but from what little I know about it, I think covering Oshi no Ko would be very much worth it!
@ALYXVNDER_ hell yea brother
Lovely video! This topic is so real and I can definitely relate to it. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is probably my favorite game of all time but I don't think I can bring myself to play more for a long while because I accidentally deleted my near 100% completion save file and got so burnt out trying to make my way through such a large game again that I don't know WHEN I'll ever recomplete it. It's strange to call my relationship with it an old married couple, but that's probaly what it's closest to.
Xenoblade chronicles 3 is also my favourite game probably. I hope you can get back into it soon. Deleting a save file must really suck... But perhaps this suffering can help you enjoy and connect to the characters better next time you play? It's just a thought...
That last part hit me hard.
For some time i always hated myself for not doing things i wanted to do, i pressured myself to do things but i ended up not doing them, i hated myself for not doing it so i started to get frustrated because of it. Sometime ago i just let go of it, i know myself, i know I won't do whatever i think i should do.
Should i be doodling to learn how to draw? Yes. Am i doing it? No, and that's fine, I've accepeted the trash of a human being that i am, it actually helped my mental health.
....
Or maybe i should go to therapy, i dunno.
Embrace the lack my fellow human being. This is the lack: ⭕, this is you embracing it 🤗⭕
If my may, i embrace it too
I think letting go of expectations is a good first step. I know I’ve been there, many times honestly. I either have others place expectations of what they want me to be, or more often than not I set expectations of who I should be. Either way, you’re not being kind to yourself, and it just puts you in a position where regardless of what you do, it isn’t good enough. But I’ve learned to let go of it, and to just take it one step at a time. Maybe you will become an amazing artist, maybe you won’t. But regardless of what you end up doing, as long as you are content with yourself that’s all that matters. Be humble, and learn to appreciate the little things, as cheesy as that sounds.
Holy shit. You sound just like me. lol But maybe that just means your heart isn't truly as into it as you think it is. I also very much desire to learn art because I feel like its my dream to make my own manga. I want to be an author, but I have such imagery in my head with my stories that I feel like a regular book just isn't enough. But for whatever reason, I just can't motivate myself to actually learn anything about art. I wonder for myself, is my heart actually in it? Maybe I don't care about art, since I don't care to do it. I just like the finished product. But I feel like I've discovered something about myself. I wonder if my real, true, and only dream is actually just to have friends.
@@odotawaissaku3755 you're right, I don't like drawing, but I don't fool myself pretending to. I like the finished piece like you do, and i train art because i want to do better final pieces and express myself more.
I hope you get to make the manga you so desire, or find another thing you like. Whatever makes you happy!
that was a great video, I've struggled with all of the points that you mentioned and thankfully realised it and started to learn about the sunk cost fallacy and learned how to (mostly) circumvent it
After getting into rocket league with my friends and now raging every night when we play, this video touches me where I needed it. One night we rage in call about a bad shot and yet the next night we play Deeprock and relax as little dwarves.
This definitely feels like being an artist.
A while back before I entered art school I had to ask myself "do I want to spend my life climbing up this impossible hill that only I can see and then try and make money off it?"
The answer was yes obviously and I don't ever think I'll get that "old couple feeling" but I've def run through everything else
How can one be so smart and ambitious? Huge, huge respect for you. Thank you for the amazing content that I lately binged.
Notification about this video showed when I reconsidered my choices playing Sifu. One of the best perfect timing moments of my life
Very interesting video that oddly enough I feel like I used to do some of these things but just dont have the time to play any one thing long enough to fall into this. As a completionist I do have trouble putting things down but I guess i've just learned not to pick things up if Im not 100% sure im gonna enjoy it, theres way too much media around to afford to not be picky these days so might as well figure out what you want the most of your media and focus on that, at least thats how i fell. Also yes absolutely on the Oshi no Ko video im so down for that Daryl
This video came at the right time for me and strengthened my resolve. I was uninstalling and entirely removing certain games from my library, asking such questions as, what do I want, or what value does this hold me. Walking away hurts. it can be likened to a painful surgery, scary and cuts that leave wounds and pains, but the outcome brings forth a new life or opportunities hidden by those former infirmities.
"There is an appointed time for everything...A time to plant and a time to uproot what was planted... A time to throw stones away and a time to gather stones together...A time to search and a time to give up as lost. A time to keep and a time to throw away" - Solomon
I hope the best for anyone knowing, it's time to leave behind, but is struggling to do so. As for me, I can barely endure hating to love it later anymore. I Just can't Continue 9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...
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Interesting intro about concorde, I actually just had my high-school prom at the hangar of a decommissioned concorde and it was awesome, we got to sit on the plane itself and the whole party was underneath it
For me the reason I keep playing [redacted] is because the rollercoaster of highs and lows (winning/losing) is very addictive, and also because it is just essentially a really good game. And also in a strange way [redacted] sort of makes me feel like home, since it's been a constant in my life for many years, even when I moved abroad. Aaand also because there just is no other game like it that scratches that itch.
I have played League for 10 years, I won't deny that I do love the game. It still offers a competitive rush for me that I can't find anywhere else but I will never recommend playing it to anyone unless they really want to. It goes beyond sunk cost for me I think, it's just been a constant in my life that I can always go back to whenever and I know will be there when I do.
Also YES, I would love to see an Oshi no Ko video from you. Hoping it comes through, wanna hear how you convey your thoughts on it
For me this is an easy task (stopping a game I hate) but I wasn't always this way, and watching this video made me realise how much growing I've done as a gamer so thanks man 😊
Im glad you're discussing this concept in a video. I have always tried to be self aware of sunk cost fallacy and reject the idea of having to like something simply because most people love it, and it pains me to watch people force themselves into doing any hobby just because they did so much or paid so much. There is no amount of time or money you put into something that can pay you back on its promises if you hate doing it. I don't like most competitive games for this reason and many others, but it also applies to everything like TV, anime, art pieces, writing, books, anything.
Now, I do believe in giving things a fair try and overcoming challenges, but it has to be born from reflection and belief, not from denial and ego. Retrying a difficult puzzle game with a fresh outlook is good, sitting down for 6 hours and trying over and over, mumbling about how unfair the game is... that's not healthy.
The old married couple game really is the saddest. World of Warcraft, No Man's Sky, Foxhole, Mount and Blade Warband, Rimworld, Civ 5, Avorion, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Terraria, Valheim and more... all games i have 250 (KCD) to 14000 (WoW) hours in and i love them so much... and i come back every now and again to try and check out the new stuff but I just can't. Its a block i can't break. I know the game so well, so fully and completely that even if some new things are there i'm just... unsatisfied. I want to play all of those games so much, i love them all so much! But when i boot them up i have no motivation. I'll spend a few hours derping around, taking in the game for what i love, and then, I say goodbye again.
What i wouldnt give for the ability to erase some experiences so i could experience them all over again...
You have no idea how much I appreciate you putting captions on your videos. Thanks for doing something most people don’t.
I’m told I’m stubborn. Celeste, After Alterna, Hollow Knight and just hard ass Platformers are honestly my bread and butter, and my bane. It’s a love hate relationship and when I beat one it’s so gratifying.
I've grown to know myself well enough to know when games just don't vibe with me anymore, and I've learned to let go and move on when things start making me feel negativity over either myself or for the game. Even after putting in money onto a game, aside from hundreds of hours into it- and I just allow myself to look back and enjoy it for what it was able to give me at the time I was enjoying it, and move on. :)
Also, yes if you wanna branch out of games and talk about other stuff, that'll be interesting af 😂
Wholeheartedly agree, I'd only add that frustration because a game is hard doesn't equal hate. Frustration because of bad gameplay (perceived on my end) makes me quit the game nowadays.
This video got me thinking that it's important not to let your experience become like the Old Married Couple. And you do that by consciously, actively remembering the good that outweighs the bad. You don't ignore the bad because then you'll be a blind fan, but you should remember why a game's good to begin with. Don't chase the feeling in the GAME, dredge it up from YOUR MEMORY and let that guide your future experiences with the game...or the marriage, etc. Let your love push the experience forward instead of chasing a high you'll never get again. Our minds are wired to focus on the negative, and if you don't actively fight back against that programming you'll slip into pessimism. It takes EFFORT to remember why you love a game, and it's always going to be easier to complain regardless of whether the complaints are valid (why does Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door have SO much backtracking? And why did I only notice on my 7th playthrough?!) or invalid (dude my controller wasn't working and the opponent's cheating because I can't handle the idea of losing). Speaking of marriage, if I ever get there I wanna wake up every day and say "God, thank you for putting HER in my life!" no matter how bad things get. Build the right thought habits to stave off staleness and disillusionment.
Sometimes it's unavoidable; if you were 5 years old and loved Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric you're...probably gonna hate the game when you're older because it sucks and has few redeeming qualities. But man, when I think back to things like Starfox 64 that I keep going back to again and again, I don't look at it and say "I'm soooo excited to trudge through the shoe-horned versus mode, and I just hate one of the story paths so much that I'm gonna avoid that." Instead I say "I'm looking for a game that scratches my itch for awesome arcade space-shooting action with delightfully cheesy memorable dialogue." The first example is a game I can't bring myself to play, and the second is an example of a game I can't stay away from. But they're the *same* game, the difference is how I'm focused on what I want to get out of the experience and pursuing that in order to achieve greater enjoyment, rather than putting myself through the parts of the game I don't like as much. People do challenge runs of their favorite games to put their focus on different parts of the experience.
Obviously playing a game for 8 hours straight or 1000 hours in total is a bit much...I'm guilty of it as much as anyone else. And what I'm saying only applies if the good truly does outweigh the bad. Anyone here ever try to play a Paradox grand strategy game into the late-game? Way too much lag, too much to micromanage, and usually not enough challenge if you've been playing well at that point. That's why so many people quit out in the early game and restart a new game. Know what parts of the game you *like* and focus on them if you can. If you can't enjoy the game the way you used to, yeah maybe it does have fatal flaws or maybe your outlook and desires have changed. That's ok! Just appreciate the good times you had instead of regretting how the spark's gone. And maybe one day you'll get an itch to come right back to old faithful for one more romp! We can't take our first step in the game again, but each step we take from that point forward is brand new.
It's simple pride really, I won't let a game beat me.
Nah, it's just called addiction
This guy thinks he’s Vegeta
This could not be anymore true
Excuse me king you dropped your crown 👑
Same. I hate the Ezio trilogy, and I almost 100% the games
Daryl always askin' the real questions out here 👏
I'm personally an Old Married Couple with Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. I played them on gamecube for years and years, until every line of dialogue, low-poly wall in the corner, and invisible treasure chest was ingrained into my memory and nothing left was fresh enough to stave off the ever encroaching sense of empty meaningless vanity. When the 3ds versions came out, I never bought them: I felt like I just knew the games too well.
Still, every now and then I think of those old games with fondness, and that doesn't fade with time.
I really feel that last phenomenon. I’m coming to the end of my time with Hades now. In fact I’m playing it while watching your videos. I only recently started putting a video or podcast on while I play it, and that how I know I’m near the end. You’re absolutely right, it’s a really melancholy feeling. In this case I actually had a premonition of this feeling back near the start when I was enjoying it more than any game I’ve played in ages, and I was resolved to savour every moment because I knew this period was coming.
Specifically, in Hades what irks me now is the variable reinforcement gambling thing: I start a run and if I haven’t got a great combination of boons etc by the end of Tartarus I get so demotivated and sometimes even give up on the run. Definitely time to move on… very soon… just a few more runs…
This video... may have been the last straw for me and Genshin. I love the world, I love exploring, I love the fun part of the fandom, and I adore the characters. I've spent so much time building my Hu Tao in particular, and the gacha rush early on was real. Spent over 600 hours in Teyvat.
I'm also over two months lapsed. The struggle with the sunk cost is exactly what I've been dealing with. I'm in so deep, I've spent a fair amount of money and especially time, and I've gotten so much out of it. Yet, it starts to feel more like homework than fun with dailies and meta and even just building who I WANT to build. This year I've played more games than ever in a single year (currently at 36 beaten) and I'm having so much fun. There just isn't enough reason to go back to Genshin for me. Thank you for exploring this further.
Also I'd watch the HELL out of a DTG video on Oshi no Ko, you kidding me?
As most Genshin players will attest, it sounds like you were due for a break. Fontaine's around the corner. Maybe it'll spark something for you. And if not, well, you know it wasn't going to last forever.
I have no idea what an Oshi no Ko is, but given that I'm not a weeb, I probably don't want to, either. (Yes, I'm a non-weeb that plays Genshin. So what?)
@@azuarc yeah fair, we'll see what happens! I always enjoy the big .0 updates, it'll feel fresh again. As for Oshi no Ko, it's a great manga that recently got its anime adaptation-took the world by storm. Part murder mystery, part modern social commentary, all good time. Would recommend :)
Good for you! I really hope this video ends up being a force for good. Just because you stop playing Genshin doesn’t mean all of the fun you had with it gone, ya know?
@@sarim.97 as a fellow genshin fan whose taken a few breaks here and there. here is my life advice:
-completely ignore dailies from here on out. theres no point, no interest, no art, nothing. its meaningless, completely and utterly.
-dont do spiral abyss unless you REALLY need the extra primos
-dont grind artifacts after the minimum. you dont NEED maximum crit chance and damage on your new shiny character if youre not going for 12 star abyss.
and of course, just enjoy the little things. the beautiful scenery, the clever puzzles, the small stories, dont feel the need to completely every little side quest if theyre boring as hell and dont seem to have a point in the grand scheme of things
@@azuarc i tried taking break from genshin many times, a few weeks, a month, a few months, it get to the point every time i comeback i got another "welcome old player comeback" package, none of the "rest" make me enjoy the game again. the fact that it keep getting heavier and heavier and screwing up my laptop doesn't help, i can't play that much other games because Genshin alone takes up a half of my laptop's memory, i even upgrade my hardware once just for this game. Slowly i find nothing but negative towards the game.
Then the update before fontaine ask for 12GB more, my laptop gave up and so did i. i figured if i barely enjoy sumeru when it first came out then i won't enjoy fontaine either, i quit quickly, feel no sadness, no regret. i felt relieve even that this is over, which i've never felt with any other game before. Genshin as a whole is honestly just a very weird experience to me.
I tend to avoid this feeling by simply deleting the game after I'm "done" with it (if it had a few endings and is good I'll replay on the spot). It gave me the feeling of melancholy similar to that of going home from a theme park
20:45 Yes
Because I'm riding the waves. Even if the lows are low, the highs are high. When I get tired of the lows or they outweigh the highs, then I leave.
This is why I never let myself engage with a game or a song i love for too long, because I'm so scared of starting to hate it.
Playing games you hate shows a potential light in them you never have seen before, makes you appreciate them a bit more sometimes, maybe.
*sighs* fine Daryl, i will try to learn how to air dribble to get out of diamond 1
I’ll meet you there, I just got to Platinum 1 last night lol
@@DarylTalksGamesI just got to Platinum tooo
Such a great video as always Daryl!! My old married couple was Fallout 76 (yeah I know, but I swear that it was pretty addictive 😂) and I think that I got luck on that because I knew I had to let go thanks to the game itself, I had done what I wanted and was pretty powerful (around lv 500 and more than 400 hours on it) and there was not much endgame content left for me. Thanks to that I've been able to play many other jewels and notice when I'm playing a Game too much, and I hope others do that. I know that there are very addicting good games out there, but there are many others that are worth our time too.
several years ago, i got to a point in rocket league where i was getting so mad at not just losing games, but losing plays, that i would be throwing my controller and smashing my fist on my table. it got so bad that once, i threw my controller down the hallway and almost broke it completely.
it was at that point that i decided to stop playing rocket league, and stop playing games i didn't like playing in general. these days, if i find myself not enjoying a game experience, then i won't play anymore. there are SO MANY games out there to play, and so many other things to do in general, that it isn't worth beating your head against a wall to try and inch out any slight bit of satisfaction as you can from something. not for a video game, especially.
1y later, the concorde example is still true lmao
This essay was pretty amazing, you really got to my personal side a lot of times during this video
The references to games i play like dota and genshin also made it a lot more enjoyable:D
Btw yeah you should definitely do a video about oshi no ko 👌
I feel this a lot more with books and movies, and since I enjoy narrative heavy games sometimes with games as well. I continue to watch/read/play hoping the story gets better and it isn't until I'm done that I can say yeah that actually sucked.
Okay this was great and it really speaks to my relationship with league. I got to the point where the time invested to get to the next level was not worth it and stopped. I still go back to have fun now and then but its not the same, that time has left and what's left is just the embers of passion I once had. Great video keep up the good work! Also what is the song at 17:23? I feel like it ff10 but I am not sure
As SOON as you mentioned playing a game so long that you notice stuff that annoy the hell out of you, instantly made me think of several moments in several of my favourite games, Final Fantasy VI, Majora's Mask, Okami, I adore those games so much, but every time, I get to certain points thinking "Dammit, now I have to do this again"
with the last part i feel a good way to fall back in love with a game is to give it a break till your memory of that last playthrough is hazy
I haven’t read or watched Oshi no Ko, but I’ve heard a lot of great things as it has come from the author of Love is War and another artist. The idol industry it explores doesn’t pull me in much, but I’d love to know your thoughts on it and would definitely watch 👍 your anime video previously was top notch IMO and got me right in the feels
It explores showbiz in general rather than just the idol industry (of the two protagonists, one becomes an idol and the other is in showbiz in another capacity).
Man, the Genshin part really hit home.
I remember loving it soooo much when i first started. It looked like a Miyazaki movie came to life. I loved exploring, I liked the story, I loved the characters.
Then, at some point while artifact grinding, I suddenly realized how tedious it is, and I don't like this game anymore.
I never felt heartbreak yet but I assume it feels just like this. I tried to keep playing, I thought of the money and hours I've spent building, wishing for characters.
But eventually, I stopped. I had to, for my own sake. Now it's just a good memory.
That's Genshin biggest problem , it's best parts are the explaration and the story & characters , but you can only experience those once for and for a minuscule amount of the total play time of the game , while the rest and majority of the content is combat , quests , events and grinding of a quality from "this is boring and a pain to do" to "this really REALLY fun"
Same here. I also stopped when I realized that the way the game wants you to log in everyday was turning it into a chore. I hate routines and being forced to do things and when I found out that they have events with story/character progression that are unavailable after the event ends, I was done with it
A good memory indeed. That's the right way to part ways. The game may have become tedious to you eventually, but no one can take away those good hours where the game was still fun.
@@kirbytrax8326 Yeah. That kind of game design where you feel the need to play every day to keep up is what gets people burnt out. And missing out on content just because you couldn't play a specific time really takes the fun out of it. But I actually enjoy the small mindless daily commisions and resin domain grinding. It's a nice way to relax either between breakfast and work or after work. And if I don't feel like playing that day I just don't.
@Runegrem
I guess I'm also not a mobile gamer so for me winding down (playing games) would be either with my Switch or at home on my pc and in both cases I have games that relax me or interest me more
Also I just generally hate grinding in any game so yeah... artifacts weren't fun lol
Damn this one resonated with my one so much. I can’t describe how deeply you touched my soul. I play Minecraft now not because I enjoy it, but because I miss it. I miss the life I had when I did enjoy it. I miss my friends. I miss the easy life. I miss my childhood. This game that has LITERALLY taken up over 30% of my total life (that’s total, not awake) is now a stranger to me. I’ve mastered it and now I’m forever chasing that first year.
I miss when I first played Minecraft, but more importantly, I miss WHO I WAS when I first played Minecraft.
P.S. I haven’t heard of that one so I’m not sure if I’d watch it tbh. Depends on how captivating a title of the video it is if I’m being honest.
Whenever I'm facing a seriously tough challenge in a game, one I'm trying over and over, I tend to fall into this cycle: First, I love attempting the challenge and making progress. Then I slowly stop making progress, and start to get annoyed. Then I get frazzled or lose focus and have a lot of really bad runs. And then? I get angry. Especially if I'm trying to get this challenge done _now,_ I'm pissed off. But I take that energy, and with a determined fury I focus... and don't have an amazing attempt. I do still have to take a bit to calm myself down, but I'm still channeling that persistent spite at that point, and that power is what allows to, pretty soon after, complete my goal.
1:43 As someone who watched the Mayday: Air Disaster episode for the Concorde crash, I can confirm that Concorde did go back in the air briefly after safety recommendations were carried out. Unfortunately, it wasn't for long, as in 2003, the Concorde was retired.
Lol i genuinely love Genshin. I love quest heavy games and the world quests in Genshin draw me in. As a performance arts professional, i also absolutely adore all the stage & theatre references in the game - they're very well researched and are so inside baseball at times that I swear they must have theatre professionals on their writing staff. (I've done stage magic so I'm SUPER excited for Fontaine!!)
I'm f2p mainly because I've not felt a strong enough urge to pay a cent (i kinda promised myself that I'll only pay for the gacha if they make Jeht playable). I do sometimes wonder if i should throw some dollars Hoyoverse's way just so they can do more of their arts outreach work! I have taken breaks from Genshin and i dont necessarily feel like I'm missing out - i come for the content i enjoy.
I think me going f2p helps a bit with not feeling the sunk cost fallacy, but at the same time i also dont have a ton of tolerance for games that i find myself hating, even if i paid for it. I bought Disco Elysium and ended up hating one of the early quests so hard that i stopped playing - that game isn't cheap! There are games that have made me cry for how needlessly hard it is (as in, not hard on purpose, but it's too finicky for no good reason) and most of the time i drop them. It can sting to know that you've spent money you cant get back (esp digital downloads where you can't exactly resell the game even for a loss) but better that then wasting my time on experiences that frustrate me to tears.
I've been playing Genshin alongside Tears of the Kingdom and it's been surprisingly stark how much I prefer Genshin. TotK is a masterpiece and a big step up from BotW, but Genshin raised the bar and keeps raising it.
Genshin's surprisingly light monetization was one of the reasons I gave it a shot. You don't even unlock the shop until you're a good ways in, the $5/month trickle option is blatantly more cost-effective than immediate rewards, and even that's only around a quarter of the premium currency you can get f2p each update. Limited-time gacha characters come back every few months, and there's a hard cap on pulls before you're guaranteed the character.
Just our of curiosity - what quest in disco elysium do you mean?
(Apart from that, thank you for sharing your genshin experience. To me, this is definetly on of those "I DESPISE it, but still play for hours and day on end"-type of game, so it's nice to hear that people actually enjoy it without feeling forced to keep logging in)
I agree I think people only come to hate genshin when they spend too long grinding or feel forced to log on every day
Trust me, whatever benefit you think spending money is going to give them, they already have it. Anything you could possibly give them would be inconsequential compared to what they've already made.
I personally think Genshin is a bad game, not simply due to the monetization system, so it's interesting to read that the quests "draw you in". The dialogue is far too bloated with unnecessary sections.
@@gamingmaster5072That's true, but there are also many other things to dislike about the game.
20:30 Yes we would watch a video of this and many other shit you have in mind
Mis amigos ahora tienen un subidón de autoestima sabiendo que encarar los juegos que odian o los hacen sentir enojo los prepara mejor para la semana laboral XD. Quiero ese video sobre Oshi no ko!!!
I've also been wondering on the nature of "why we play" and "why we continue". But it's not terrible to consider how many games we have and how many we have the time to play. And ultimately the decision on why we're still here. Great job on the video.
This just might be one of the best videos on the whole platform.
This video hits soo deep... Love it)
The thing I suggest to every person who is hating their game like I do, just take a break :)
I take breaks from games like Valorant and League of Legends all the time, and when I come back I enjoy it a lot more (for a bit). Or just play less! Remember to keep the charm alive for you for these games, because we really love them
Every time I hear of people who grow tired of a good thing like a specific song or game, I'm always filled with appreciation for not only what I currently have, but also for undying love. Yes, sometimes too much of something good is tiring, but other times, like with myself, undying love exists and will NEVER stop loving somethings. No matter how many thousand hour I put into Undertale, or if it's the three thousandth time I've listed to Karma by AJR, I will never stop loving those things.
this is a really important topic that contributes to why people have been losing their love with videogames in recent years
love ur coverage of these topics as always, i hope that i still get to play the games i like and leave the games i hate behind one day
I don't play games I hate, and most games I play for less than ten hours, maybe twenty at max. Time is too precious.
As someone who recently stopped playing overwatch and growing tired of fps games as a whole alot of this hit.
i’ll always look fondly on my first play of the game the late night 6 man comp grinds but the past few months of us trying to recapture that fun leaving us all just in a bad mood and finally leaving the game was by far the best decision i’ve made. All those 1000s of hours now being spent on improving on other competitive games i enjoy or finally working through my backlog of the games i genuinely want to experience
When it comes to games that I have a love/hate relationship with, it's definitely the Danganronpa series. No matter how many times I play the series, I can't help but point out many flaws these games have, but ultimately I still have a good time playing those games.
As to the question at the end of the video.... YES! I'd watch a video about Oshi no Ko. I need more Oshi no Ko in my life after the last chapter, lol
It has many flaws, but you can't help but love some characters.
Danganronpa has an energy unlike any series I’ve ever played, it’s hard to still not love it after all these years
@@TheOrian34 That's definitely true. To this day I still can't bring myself to hate some of the first game's characters (like Sayaka for instance), as the circumstances changed their personalities so much. Although the second game's cast has some meh characters here and there (looking at you Teruteru). I still haven't played V3 yet tho, so can't speak on characters from that game
@@Limit02 To be frank, for me the Danganronpa series is just as good a murder mystery game as the Ace Attorney series, but the minigames are kinda disrupting the pacing of the Class Trials. But, at the same time, the 5th and 6th mainline games in the Ace Attorney series (in other words Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice respectively) thrown in some minigames to the mix that disrupt the pacing of their trials. So definitely neither of those series is perfect lol
@@Syankstin all those weird class trial mini games somehow completely left my mind lmao
Also def play V3 when you find the desire, it’s divisive for reasons but I also think it’s the best game in the whole series
And yes Oshi no Ko is now top 20 all time anime, it would be great
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The first step to moving on is acceptance. You gotta accept the way you feel about the game instead of pushing those feelings away.
Also, yes, I would watch a video about Oshi no ko.
I like to find beauty in the imperfections. It's humbling to know that no matter how good something is, there will always be something wrong with it. If one can accept those imperfections and deal with them appropriately, they can have an absolute blast.
take a break if you need to, daryl, well be here whenever you feel like you can come back
as for the video, ive been keeping track of every game ive played this year in a text box on my steam profile- the thing is, ive been writing the game's title down not when i beat it, but when i "get" it, when i get a good grasp of the game's systems and really understand the intended experience. with some stuff, i write it down during the second playthrough, with others, like spider man miles morales, i wrote it down halfway through the campaign. i ended up finishing it ofc, but there wasnt that pressure to finish it just to check a box. the box was already checked, so i could quit whenever i wantes, and i knew that if im still playing, its bc im having a good time. this works WONDERS with multiplayer stuff, like the new-ish battlebit remastered. its just battlefield, i understood it immediately and wrote it down on the list after an hour of play, but im still out there grinding it by myself or with friends because its still fun!
im sure theres some interesting psychology thing in there buried under the rambling, but youre more equipped to find it than i am- either way, fantastic video, i loved it and it really made me think
This used to be me with Overwatch before the game was killed…and then I realized that once I stopped playing after years of chasing improvement, I started feeling a lot better about myself 💀
There's a reason I usually only play a game I loved once.
I don't want to end up hating it by finding its flaws and realising they're there. Nothing will capture the magic of the first playthrough, and I don't want that magic to be ruined.
This is why I refuse to go back to Secret of Mana. If you ask me what my favorite game of all-time is, I'll tell you that. But I also know damn well that 14-year-old me played it through long hours of grinding the magic and dealing with its mechanics in a way that 30-years-later me would not care for at all. Quite simply, I'm terrified of seeing the game for what it really is, rather than the magic I attribute to it.
I have a feeling many people who were fans of Bioshock Infinite likely decided to only play it once. I've seen many who replayed it recently and they noticed a LOT of plotholes and other flaws that they didn't before.
Yeah I learned this the hard way with Chrono Trigger. I beat it the first time and played through it at least five more times in a very short time frame of a month or so. I really enjoyed it the first time but it lost so much of that after going back. I ended up so burnt out with it that I still can’t make myself go back to it because I’ve already learned the game from front-to-back and even a few years later I remember most of that information making another playthrough almost pointless and incredibly unfun.
"Why are you still playing Genshin?"
Me, playing Genshin while watching the video: *Internal Screaming*
This remembers me to the phrase
"No one knows your flaws more than that person who loved you the most "
My friends were just talking about that thing in the post credits yesterday. Now you got me curious.