Everything that can get you removed/disfellowshipped from Jehovah's Witnesses
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- There are myriad rules and taboos in the Jehovah's Witnesses, but which violations will get you thrown out and shunned? In this video, requested by my patrons and channel members, I condense the list of "gross sins" down to 20.
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Thank you Lloyd for continuing this vital work highlighting the hypocrisy and domineering behaviour of the organisation
Everything you need for a disfellowship speed run.
If joining another religion means that you’re an apostate, then 3/4’s of ALL congregations are apostates since they came from another religion 🤣
Thanks Lloyd let’s get to 120k subs!!!
Thanks Lloyd for the great list❤
I was disfellowshipped for gambling, i was told by a fellow exjub that they cant do that...i assure you, they can and did
I was once taken to the “back room” and reprimanded for buying a $5 Scratch-And-Win card.
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You take a gamble every time you drive a car, cross the street,eat at a new restaurant,talk to a stranger etc.whats the difference if you're in a casino having fun with you own damn money .
@@duncanidaho1981this is the kind of crap that is control ridiculousness. Sorry that happened to you.
I guess I will never be a J.W because I was guilty of 16 out of 20. Thanks Lloyd for stopping me dead in my tracks😂. I just threw Enjoying Life Forever in my trash can.
I didn’t expect the sheep pic 😂😂
Thanks Lloyd for the good laughs 😅.....take care 😘
There's only one thing that ever gets you disfellowshipped, not bowing to the authority of the elders. Even if you're right or justified. Ask the people who were disfellowshipped to cover up CSA.
Ask any Former JW Women that, dared to expose and resist the corrupt and controlling behaviours of the Elders, when Domestic Abuse and/or Marital Sexual Assault was reported to them!
Apparently, according to this Cult; It's more of a Sin to reject the Intrusive Personal Boundaries Crossing by JW Perpetrators and WT Hierarchy, than it is to Stand Up For Actual Truth and Justice and Protect A Person's Own Best Interests and Health. 🙄 😡
Thank you Lloyd for everything that you do, it's most appreciated. I was never bbbbabtized with the cult cuz I recognized the charlatance when I see many.
Sneeze "SANDERSON! 😂😂
My grandfather had Schizophrenia and would tell us he spoke with Jehovah and sometimes Satan. Plus, he was abused and had an extreme temper. Also had awful hygiene issues because he refused to wash his clothes, take baths, or use deodorant because he was extremely tight regarding his money. He threatened to shoot people, slit their throat and put them in a wooden box on a regular basis. However, despite these things, his brother was an elder and my grandfather received special treatment because of favoritism from his elder brother and others that were related in the congregation down in Lousisana. lol this would be another good video. How coverups can protect you from being disfellowshipped.
LOTS of favortism among JWs...Espcially when many have family connections...quite often several members of a family are part of the servant body...Lots of cover ups...it would be a great video to highlight the corruption that is rampant throught this organization. Disgusting to the core...27 yrs before I woke up to the actual "truth" & left!!! STAY FREE!!!!! ❤
Thank you for reminding us of what we, never ins , have been missing out 😂😂😂
So many that don't live as they learn.
Uuummmmm...drunkeness is relative in the JW org...lots of drinking...never heard of a drunk getting df'd & I knew a few who were known alcoholics...most things depend on your connections. In one case a single "friend" was messing with a married guy (well connected) for 10 yrs ...she confessed to the elders & was df'd even tho she confessed ... he was df'd & appealed to Bethel who reversed the decision...so he was "reproved" instead of Df'd...WTF??? The same happened with this guy's wife years before...the married guy she was messing with was DF'd & she was "reproved" SO hypoctitical & dysfunctional? Makes your head spin ... SO grateful to have woken up with some life yet to live...❤ Thank you Lloyd for helping people know the "truth" ... The " real truth" that is!!!!!! 🤗
Can confirm, you don't want this shunning
Sometimes it might be a blessing? But not fair in a family.
@@PlethoralityIn what way would it be a blessing?
I may or may not have done several of the "bad" behavior items
Thank❤
Wow! Thanks so much Lloyd!! How many of these reason are really in the Bible and how many are actually in the elders book?
They don't care about children
They don't care about Women neither.
In fact, They are not capable of Genuinely caring about Anybody. Not even Each Other.
They are shallow, fickle and lack true insight into the Human Experience.
They Fake It, Every Step Of The Way.
They are Transparent and Toxic.
Tragically.
Great video!
#15.
Something that is Excusable and Acceptable, If a JW chooses to not accept employment that would interfere with Meeting Times or Any Other High Control Demands Of The Elders or Watchtower Org.
In such case, The Best Interests of The Cult, overshadow the personal needs and best interests of the Family.
The Family in that case is...SOOL or SUAC(Fill in the blanks, since You Tube would bar such comment 😒).
I got disfellowshiped for "loose conduct". I was having dinner with co-workers and someone from the congregation saw me and told the elders. I had a judicial meeting and told the elders I didn't see nothing wrong with what I was doing. They said I was associating with worldly people. Asked me if I was going to stop and I said no.
By that standard, Jesus would be disfellowshipped. He ate with sinners and tax collectors
@rodolfoleyva4012,
That's nuts. You were disfellowshipped just for going out to dinner with some non-JW coworkers. It's not like you went out and murdered twenty people. It's crazy to think that a Body of Elders can get away with excommunicating someone for having dinner with a non-JW coworker, but someone like that Eunice Spry woman who claims that she is "sorry" for having brutally abused her own foster children for years, she can potentially still remain a member of a local Witness congregation and be considered as being in good standing because she apologized even though her behavior continues to have an effect on her surviving foster children's adult lives. What the hell.
Thank goodness, I left the JW faith. The standards on and reasons for removal from congregational membership can range into the absurd sometimes, and that's why people can get excommunicated by overzealous Elders over things that aren't even removable offenses (like having dinner with a non-JW coworker). It's a bunch of bull-crap.
I was soft shunned when I grew my beard back in 2016 then I stopped going every since then
Glad you grew a beard then! : )
Vc acertou na loteria em ter saído desse manicômio .
You were ahead of your time, brother 😂😂
The fact that you could be found guilty, in the court of law, of murder but jw's just like 'nah, let me decide'
I believe that the grounds for disfellowshipping, or removing a member from the congregation should be; if the member is abusive to children or others in the congregation, is disruptive to others, has fits of anger or violence, or does not turn from any of those things. Accepting a blood transfusion in a time of real need, celebrating a birthday or Christmas, reporting sexual abuse to police, and having contact with a disfellowshipped or shunned member or anyone outside of the cult are NOT valid grounds for disfellowshipping or shunning. Also, shunning those who suffered sexual abuse as children is callous, unjust, backward, and just plain unscriptural, and to blame these victims of sexual abuse for their own suffering is presumptuous, arrogant, and mindless, just as claiming that they brought it upon themselves is blatantly and brazenly false.
Oh no. They like all that abusive stuff. The worse you are to children, the more they like to protect their fellow predators. This cult is a sick protection society for pederasts . I wish you could prove me wrong.
Jesus parable of the Prodigal Son blows disfellowshipping right out of the water,just on that one point alone.
I never was, nor will I ever be, a JW; however, your "Top 20" list sounds like a great instruction manual for those who want to get out 😅
Stačí normálně odejít. Nemusíte dělat cokoliv jiného.
Disfellowshpped for smoking cigarettes & I'm still shunned by close family members decades later! I now see them for the cult they are. 🤬
Blimey I never knew! What a shame ❤😂
Watching the video for the second time.
The alcoholic point is quite interesting since it is a huge problem in JW.
After I went full Pimo I barely touch alcohol anymore.
Its not needed anymore.
Yet I watch the instagram stories of people in the congregation and its always wine every week.
Yes, we are Europeans but the ammount is far higher them normal consumption.
15. Refusal to provide for your family - wouldn't shunning family members apply here too?
You are being too logical. They hate that.
@@Plethorality lmao sorry, what was I thinking 😂
You can get shunned for simply leaving the religion. In my case and many others. When they realize you don’t want to come back, they give up on you and just shun you.
That is why they're a cult as you can't leave, unless you fade in the background and never return.
I'll l never forget speaking with a female sister for 45 min after a meeting and I was grilled as if I stole Tony's whiskey
@jamesniagu274,
Well, if Uncle Tony Morris III does have a problem with alcohol, you'd probably be doing him a favor by stealing and pouring out all his bottles of THE MACALLAN's whiskey.
Drunkard's as I know all to well is condoned, CSA is condoned as I know all to well, spousal abuse is condoned unfortunately I know this well too. So they pick and choose what their going to do I have a friend and his wife disfellowshipped for a blood transfusion he had leukemia. All valid points Lloyd thank you for the video
1. "Or anything". 😂
Darn. Three months without bathing so I better confess. 😂😂
Going to the police to report a r$pe. “Bringing reproach on the organization”
Damn, I didn't even make it past the first one.
Duck the Watchtower!
Saluti dall'Italia! Conosci la fondazione FECSA- URI e la Assemblee des jeunes pour la paix et le developpement integral - URI?
Yes but Csa is okk ...apparently
That is what they are set up for. Get families in, to make children, to keep up their supply, then make it a sin to report sa and even murder, to the police. Its a protection ring for pedos, as well as money making for the gb. It serves no other purposes. .
So... if you're really going to be guilty of child sex abuse, you have to sell tickets first? Oh dear lord, what IS the matter with these people?
From the view of the outsider it might be quite reasonable list of bible sins, seeing that from a devoted christian view. Yet the practice and reality is what defines clearly the cultishness and non-biblicality of the JW judging system. For example one of the very often used reason is the subsection 4. of section 39. "Apostasy". This subsection is called "causing divisions". Under this term the judicial meeting body is used to hide anything and anyone they want to remove.
My case included. I know people DFed for pointing out the famous Jacksons Magadan mistake, for pointing out golden watches on GB wrists, for criticising beard rule and bear change, or even for placing questions and insisting on answers or spreading the question elders refused to answer. For reading the Shephered book. The list can be countless. I would be actually interested in following video: The list of the most absurd (even from the biblical-christian standpoint) reasons for DF or DA you gathered from stories, emails etc you have heard of during your channel. A disclaimer that the list is not proofed by two witnesses would make it clear it is mainly for a fun and warning. Please consider it. Give us some tears and laugh.
So if the doctor allow you to smoke «medical» weed its ok, but if you want to cure a headache or backpain after 8 hours on ministry that is disfellowship.
I would be kicked out every 2nd day.
Thank you Lloyd!! Your videos are good! Can you talk about the other US Christian religions that shun but none as bad as JW. I think JW celebrate birthday eventually (Hispanics) and have beards(Middle East) cause these cultures come into JW in which trying to appease.
Side note I must say cousin was police woman and they threaten for her to quit. She did not but later found out her JW hubby was a undercover gay man which JW elders covered up. It came out later and they got divorced.
You think they allowed petty gambling in the hopes one of them wins the lottery? They could build ANOTHER studio.....
As for manslaughter, do you think JW Hospital Liaison Elders are engaging manslaughter when they encourage critically injured or severely ill Witnesses to reject a blood transfusion, an act that may lead to the Witness's death. At best it's negligible advice. If manslaughter is a removeable offense in the JW denomination, shouldn't that depend on the circumstances. Manslaughter could involve doing something dangerous that could result in a person's death, and if someone is killed, you may not have intended for that person to die. Manslaughter is kind of complicated. Lying is viewed as being bad, so should members lie about being LGBT, should they lie about being secret apostates? What about lying to protect the interests of the faith when it comes to cases of child sexual abuse, if and when the Watch Tower Society or a local congregation, finds themselves in court of mishandling such cases?
Being able to but refusing to provide for your family, well, that should be disapproved of. Many people outside of the JW community don't look to kindly at the idea of abandoning one's family and not making sure they are provided for. A divorced person in the Jehovah's Witness faith, sadly, can never date or get married again if they divorced their spouse for any other reason than their spouse having cheated on them. Even abused Witnesses are symbolically stuck to their abusive ex-spouse. So many of these rules seem so arbitrary or are more complex than the Society makes them out to be. I'm so glad that some of them I can discard and ignore outright, or I can view them as being more complex and subject to interpretation.
You know something: If you can easily cover up a case of child sexual abuse in a Witness congregation, then could a local JW congregation's body of Elders potentially do the same for someone who has admitting to having committed a one-time murder or admits to being a serial killer? I would assume that an Elder Body wouldn't do that because of how harsh the legal penalty would be if they dared to try and cover up a murder case. Morality is so much more complex than the Governing Body makes it out to be.
If I ate a whole box of rainbow donuts?
Short shorts & tight pants.
However all of these reasons to shun & abuse are always dependant upon who you are.
If all these rules where in the catholic church. You would have no catholic religion
Have we had a test case of nicotine-free vaping?
I wondered that!
Hi Llyod 1 quick question can a wife be disfellowshiped if she has left her husband for no reason?
I think corinthians says a women can divorce her husband if he stops her worshipping or adultery or abuse if none of these accord and my jw wife left because she wanted to be near her family even though she wanted to move away from them in the first place?
It really depends what is meant by "leaving." A JW wife can separate from her husband for a number of reasons but she can only truly "leave" in the sense that she is free to remarry if either her or her husband confess to (or are found guilty of) adultery. If she remarries without that crucial box being ticked, she can be removed (disfellowshipped) for being in an "adulterous marriage."
So how much evidence do JW need for this kinds of things.
Hi Lloyd. How about making fun of or criticism of a member of the GB ?
I think you are missing yout congregation David. Better go back.
Are we allowed to gamble now?
If I drop a 5 euro note and win 300 million that is kosher now? 😅
Je to vaše rozhodnutí. Proč byste jim to měl oznámit, když vyhrajete peníze?
@@geraniumroseum If I won 300 million Euro I would not drive my tired Toyota anymore would I? :-)
Can you hide it? Yes
But wouldnt people question why I could retire in my early 40ths?
What if youre disfellowshipped for porneia, but offer them £500k to take you back? 😂
I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but I hope you haven’t been compromised. You know since you have that blonde hair.
you forgot about tobacco
No he mentioned that
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And don’t forget voting for President Trump! 6:30
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Oh dear, another video about jehovahs witnesses? Why on earth are you so obsessed with them? I understand that you were once one but you really should move on and get a life!!
If that’s how you feel then why are you watching this channel?
@davidharris9200,
Like it or not, the JW faith has an impact on ex-members' lives. This faith is very strict and very demanding. Being shunned by your family and friends is an issue that, like it or not, is going to impact one's life. The Witnesses' doctrinal policy is going to affect apostates' lives whether we want it to or not -- and most of us don't want it to. For those of us who were raised as Witnesses, especially from birth, being a Jehovah's Witness was all we knew or understood. It's not easy leaving everyone you've ever known behind, nor is it easy to question your religious or moral beliefs and then having to craft a new worldview.
If you don't recognize that, that's your problem. If that is the case, then you don't seem to understand much about how religion works, or how religious disaffiliation works either for that matter. Babe, learn to think before you speak.
Are you a member?
So,
You as an atheist, are saying all those things you listed, are ok to practice, for someone professing to be Christian?🤔
Your a bit mixed up, me thinks!🤦♂️
Yes, they're ok to practice since there are no rules in life. Sin is just a word to guilt-trip followers into believing a religion
@John-oi8mt,
I don't think Lloyd said that at all. And at any rate, Christians can't and don't always agree on what behaviors are or are not sinful. For example, some Christian think it is okay to drink alcohol in moderation, and some Christian folks believe that drinking any amount of alcohol no matter how large or small is inherently sinful and that alcohol consumption must not be engaged in and should be avoided at all costs. Some believe that homosexuality is sinful, and others believe that only certain kinds of same-sex relationships (like pederasty, sex between a teenage boy and an adult man or temple prostitution where a Christian might have sex with a male prostitute as part of a religious sexual ritual at a pagan temple) were viewed as sinful by the Biblical authors, not long-term same-sex relations between consenting informed adults as we might understand as homosexuality today.
Some Christians believe that polygamy is a sin, Islam and various Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint (Mormon) sects believe that polygynous marriages (where a man is married to multiple women at the same time, with some Muslim who identify as polygynists having up to four wives) is a required practice for adherents of their faith to engage in that they believe to be sanctioned and mandated by God. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (referred to as the LDS Church or the Mormon Church), the largest denomination within the broader Latter Day Saint (Mormon) movement, abandoned the literal practice of polygyny around 1890.
Some Christians believe that women should not serve in clerical positions within their congregations, while others believe that women should be granted leadership privileges. There is wide debate over doctrinal beliefs and ritual practices within Christianity as a whole, even within individual denominations and independent congregations that have no denominational affiliation. Do some research.
Your comprehension skills aren't that great, are they.