Jehovah's Witness women given instructions for dating
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- (Rebuttals Sushi no. 634 - Reviewing the 2024 "Declare the Good News!" convention of Jehovah's Witnesses - Saturday) Who better to dispense dating advice to young Jehovah's Witness women than high-ranking bethelite Steve Bell, who espouses stalking would-be suitors to assess their "spirituality?"
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@@presentmoment22 👍
Keep it coming, Lloyd.
That is so ridiculous.
What a complete joke!
CULT through and through.
Lloyd is killing it!❤
This young man has a good job AND spends 40+ hours in the ministry a week. Sounds like a load of fun ladies. He doesn’t need a wife, he needs a maid.
Exactly!
One thing I have noticed over the years here in Europe from all the divorces I have heard about is that the "guilty" one is the wife. When you look deeper into the story its always a wordly man with more resources and time.
Yes, cheating is bad but how do you suppose a marriage would work with a low income man combined with all the "extra work" he does for free?!
He’s a party animal. 🤣
Puzzling that an older man is giving tips on how young women should choose a life partner. And they say it's not a cult! Plus, it sounds like the young women want their partner to be perfect! Good luck with that! And not one word about whether he can support you with a good job!
Now days both couples work and support each other.
They do expect perfection and weaponize the religion against the husband/wife if you are deemed "spiritually weak.". I was there with my ex wife and there was nothing I could do to make her happy as it is never enough. This religion will destroy a marriage and if the marriage somehow works out there is guaranteed abuses going on or just extreme repression as you are forced to shut up and listen.
I was in from 5 years old to 19. I did auxiliary and later regular pioneer around 14 years old, so I got used a lot as a "chaperone" for many of the brothers' and sisters' dating. It usually meant going bowling or to the movies. I remember being kindly given a couple of bucks from the brothers to go get them snacks or hit the arcade so they can be alone and make out. Fun times.😂😂😂
You're my kinda chaperone! I wish I'd thought about this when I was young. I see a business opportunity 😀
Ahhh. The Good Old Days. 🤣🤣🤣
This is ridiculous
I knew plenty who were good “company” men but awful to their wives.
Not saying there were not good ones but these guidelines are not the only things to consider as most important.
And most married couples in today’s economy no way could both pioneer.
Is he well spoken of, is he well groomed & mannered , is he well connected,
Well healed, is he well hung. ?
One thing I have noticed over the years here in Europe from all the divorces I have heard about is that the "guilty" one is the wife. When you look deeper into the story its always a wordly man with more resources and time.
Yes, cheating is bad but how do you suppose a marriage would work with a low income man combined with all the "extra work" he does for free?!
One of the biggest reasons for why I'm out of the organization and NEVER going back again EVER. I remember when they used to give talks about this at assembles or even at the kingdom hall, it would always infuriate me and make my blood boil. There were even times I'd get so angry that I would need to leave the meeting or the assembly. This is one of the biggest reasons for why I left and NEVER started dating until after I left this religious cult. And I'm glad I did these JW or GB idiots know absolutely nothing about dating and relationships. Excellent videos Lloyd keep them coming.
As a single male, I remember one of the last meetings I went to. They were having a WT study on marriage and picking the wrong person and the whole “being influenced out of the truth“ BS. It was around the time when I was first starting to wake up. Was droning on about Solomon being misled by his women. Like you, my blood was boiling. I should’ve just walked out. When it was over, I stood up, turned to this “elder“ that I knew right behind me. I made a comment like “that is such a ridiculous comparison, Solomon having 1000 women and this example being directed to single people, living alone. Hanging out with a thousand people could influence anyone with anything!“He was like well it’s the “principal“. I said “No, it’s just over the top, extreme and ridiculous advice”.
That's all it ever is. Extreme and ridiculous advice. That you're expected to follow as a JW. And the best part is, when you don't, then you're the one that has a problem, you're the one that won't be patient and wait on jehovah, you're the one that needs to be counseled by the elders.. I'm also a single man, and I'm so happy 😊 to be done with this religious cult.
Not only is it not enough to just be a good person, but it's also perfectly fine to be an awful person as long as you possess the veneer of being a good JW. It's like the emperor who has no cloths. The Elder is respected by the congregation who are also aware he treats his family like shit.
Unfortunately, the "best elders" have wives that stay quiet.
@@Rockn-UV Correct. The older wives do stay quiet
😮 História, from Brazil
The Watchtower has proved beyond reasonable doubt to be "a very destructive and dangerous cult". He doesn't even make rational sense with those insidious questions.
Oh my goodness.....can't believe this, really? Advice to young women from an older man 😮😮 No young ones are safe from these guys😮😮
This man is so creepy & disturbing. "His comments at meetings will show you a lot about him." If dude is a parrot he passes. How does he treat women in an organization who treats women like trash? Gah. So problematic. Creepy dude.
I remember when I was about 14 A guy in the cong. in his 20's casually made a statement about "when we get married..." Creeped me out. I told my mom about it and she was giddy and excited. Yikes. Needless to say I got out of this cult by the time I was 16.
Is he fully indoctrinated is what they’re telling the Sisters to find out. That will lock down two people in a marriage that will now have the org as the third strand in their marriage. It will be a living hell to get out of if one wakes up.
That almost happened to me way back. I couldn’t imagine being caught up in that predicament. From what I heard, got remarried and is still in there, no kids, waiting for the “new system“ and hanging on for “Armageddon”. 😳
"Contemplating marriage" is spoken in the same tone as "contemplating auto insurance".
That’s Watchtower-- DRY TOAST !!!
Full time service my ass! I never wanted to go out in field circus more than 2 hours a week!
😂😂“field Circus“ Damn, you should’ve just hung out a little longer. You could just put a checkmark on a piece of paper or something silly like that and you would be good to go now lol
I never wanted to go period. Pure torture.
The cringe is real. “Ladies, if he comments well at the meetings and he participates in regular field service, then you know”. “If he has a good job”. Well, he may not have a good job because he hasn’t had a decent education thanks to Jehovah’s Witnesses.
He’s supposed to have a good job and getting prepared to give it all up to work for the cult full-time. Yeah that sounds like a real good direction to go.
"Does he handle his Bible skillfully?"....JWs don't even use the Bible hardly anymore! It's all about the website, or sharing a video.
😂
I guess today a young JW lady should ask "Has he mastered the tablet?"
I think a potential wife is more interested in his ability to handle something ELSE more skillfully. 😉 🤣
So many things wrong with this...first of all the woman doesn't have a job!!??...she's in the full time service...he has a good job!!...and are they now allowed to go out on service together without a chaperone 😂😂😂😂😂...so much can happen in a parked car😂😂😂
Plenty of shagging went on in my congregation in parked cars on the service.
Was he serious when he was suggesting that a woman go talk to the guys elder? Do people really do that? That's like a background check for a job interview😅
many of this subtle or non official rules arent followed by anyone, even the elders... it depends by the strictness of the congregation's elders, but many things are not strictly observed by the rank and file, even if the organization would want them to be
And it's also creepy & kinda seems a little covert stalker-ish....
YIKES! 😬
a "great" job when your childhood consists of ppl telling u college isn't a concern bcuz the world is ending any day now.....I'm 47 so that was like 40 years ago when I told my mother I was gonna be a Dr, instead I got into carpentry around 15/16 years old and by the time I was in my 20s I remember a brother looking so happy when I told him what I did, but I NEVER did volunteer work for them I made it very clear early on that I wasn't that guy
Years back had known this one middle-age guy who was a carpenter. He was building sheds, married, and an “elder“. I moved away from that area and finally woke up. Had a sibling that stayed living in that area and who finally became PIMO. Some years had passed and my sibling was telling me that this carpenter guy, had at one point finally bought a car “new”. It was some small import car, but he was all proud that it was his first “new” car. Told my sibling it would last him until Armageddon. A few years later, the thing was going to the junkyard. A few years later after that, the old guy died. Neither the “new” car nor he made it to “Armageddon”. What a waste.
Poor guy, chewed up and spit out by The GB!😮😢 10:14
@ 6:25 You laughing at the idea of a witness woman lurking outside in the bushes is hilarious 😆😆😆.
When I was a JW, whenever a sister was interested in a brother from another hall, a few of the sisters would pile up in a sister's vehicle that he wouldn't recognize and sit out in the parking lot of his Kingdom Hall on his meeting night. They wanted to observe him in secret and see if he just left right after the meetings or if he stayed and associated with everyone. We were indeed stalking them lol.
Steven “Dumb” Bell forgot to mention THE most important question a sister should be asking a brother. How many pillows does he own?
😂😂😅 the creepiest freak giving that talk, “Brother Bro”. That Joker always reminded me of what I envisioned a molester priest would look and talk like.
ahahahaha 😂
So many where in the AA club (after Armageddon) then, in there mid to late 30’s they realize there situations, very difficult to find a marriage mate! They’re depressed/upset!
This guy makes my skin crawl😮
It’s because your POMO x-ray vision allows you to see the meathead behind the curtain for what he is.
Omg this is so controlling !!! run in the other direction as fast as you can….
RUN FORREST RUN !!!
I wonder why he didn't quote scriptures to back up what he was saying.
Your comment about them hiding in the bushes is both funny and accurate. It brought me back to having the daughter of an elder and her friends doing a “drive by” and reporting that I was hanging out with my brother and his friends (I am and have always been worldly, so the guys were spoken to, not me) scandal of the year
The dating pool for JWs is shrinking rapidly too, so it won't be long before this reaches a real dilemma.
That already happened. 4 years ago a recent exjw told me the ratio was 1 brother to 7 sisters.
One thing I have noticed over the years here in Europe from all the divorces I have heard about is that the "guilty" one is the wife. When you look deeper into the story its always a wordly man with more resources and time.
Yes, cheating is bad but how do you suppose a marriage would work with a low income man combined with all the "extra work" he does for free?!
I love it when old white guys tell women how to date properly 🤣
What a turnoff
Sister in the Org.are treated like doo- doo by their baptized Elder& Minister Servant husband. So asking any of those questions don't help or save you at all.
At 0.52 Is Mr Bell seriously suggesting that Pioneers only ought to marry?
He's got the hair. Groomed beard. Great job. Wields his bible skilfully.
Lloyd Evans: ✅✅✅✅
Lol
bro with a great job, WHERE?
never been a jw, live in italy, only studied with them for 7 months, in my congregation an elder was an entrepeneur, he has an important business where they demolish old cars and that is a very important and historic business in my zone, the businesses are very good and they have a lot of work... a ministerial servant, also, was the owner of a construction company, he was an entrepeneur.
Exactly. How could a young brother have a great job and have goals for the full time service?
@@Rockn-UV elders and ministerial servants in my congregation (i never got baptized and never been a publisher) were entrepeneurs. many non-official "lighter" rules are not followed by rank and file jws...
@@PinoAntinatalista
Yeah, there are a *_FEW_* exceptions but not the rule.
MOST aren't entrepreneurs & don't have well paying jobs.
He only cleans windows in the finest of locations.
All right here's the question are there any Young sisters? Admittedly it's been awhile since I've been in a Kingdom Hall but the last few times I was there there were no young people at all. I mean like at all it was all old people it was all white haired Goobers, I did not see any kids, I did not see any 20 somethings there were a few 30 somethings but I would say 90% of the people were old as hell
Thanks ❤
“ Hi cool chic.. nice to meet you”… cool chic “ How often did you comment at last weeks cult gathering ?” 😭😭🙄🙄🤣🤣
Even though it's a serious subject, you make it humorous. Thanks
maybe find out if they have a better job than a window washer
How cringe was the beginning when he was talking about a young man's looks? 😂 Edit- Stephen Bell, that is.
Your way of explaining JW teachings is of great value you dissect their mind control
Don’t even worry about his ability to provide financially. The end is right around the corner so you won’t need a real career. Better be able to handle that bible in the ministry tho, that way you both can struggle to survive on part time work while pioneering. Health insurance and retirement are overrated. Of course the Governing Body and their ass kissing minions won’t have to worry about those things because of those generous donations. What a joke!!!
Loyd your a real witness of the real god
I've heard many talks just like that one. It brings a lot of feelings of anxiety because as a PIMI it felt as an attack. I fought with myself so much with, I work full time but never desired to pioneer, my Dad was a great husband and never pioneered or was a servant so it was an uphill battle the entire time. I'm so glad to be out.
I had gotten married at 21 to a “Pioneer“. Soon afterwards, I started having terrible, doubts and anxiety. Eventually broke up and got divorced. That caused a ton of terrible guilt and anxiety for years. After I finally woke up, it all fell into place and made sense. I finally understood what had been the problem all along. The thing that bothered me from the very beginning, the outset, right after getting married was total Cognitive dissonance. The anxiety had been exacerbated by certain relatives guilting/shunning me. I finally realized that my subconscious had known, that I had married a corporation, a cult. I just didn’t know or understand what it was all that time until I woke up. And even thereafter, it took some time to piece it all together. I’m finally completely free of all of it.
I might mention that, although I don’t agree with Lloyd on everything, his channel was one of the first I came across in waking up. And it indeed helped me tremendously. I think I thanked him before, but if not, thanks Lloyd!
@@gbnomore3918 I'm so happy you figured it out. I relate hard to the cognitive dissonance and subconscious knowing but not recognizing why you feel a type of way.
I dated a POMI to PIMI at 23. we broke up she went POMI and I became a servant. that's when the cognitive dissonance got too much, I went crazy got DF and woke up.
Yes and then the elders have a word in his ear or your dad, - he is gone.... 😢
Regarding eligible young men being spied on, this actually happens. And it’s not just the elders crossing that line in giving out information about these young men; their wives and children help with this. It’s part of the culture.
Welcome to the SS - Surveillance Society.
Respect for Personal Space is a thing of the past.
@@duncanidaho1981 They spoke to people I went to school with years prior, they would go to my home when I was working and check what washing I had hung out on the clothes line, they have even given children “pocket money” to follow me around at the shops.
So limited & competitive for the women. I know so many in there 40's still single.
Good video lloyd, saying it with a sense of humour but highlighting the much darker side of this cult!
"Groomed beard nowadays..." 🙄🤢🤮
🙈🙉🙊
Forget about compatibility, communication, trust, listening, commitment, and compromise -- what's important in a marriage is a shared religious background. It's a guaranteed success.
Think about quitting "full time service" and getting back all that time to do what YOU want.
So So disgusting. I always fast forward past them talking 🤮
Being a Jehovah's Witness "in fine standing" is absolutely NOT a good indication of character, however the points about examining character and who he shows respect to - is good advice, so it's not all bad.
In my experience, the " advice" being given here to "sisters" about snaring a "brother" for prospective marriage is rarely adhered to. Many young bros & sis often do their own thing behind the scenes and dont give a toss what "spiritual standing and goals" the prospective partner has or doesnt have. They are happy that someone actually takes an interest in them and not constantly getting reminded that the only worthwhile occupation is to be a full time preacher and all other careers are a "waste of time"
I have also seen situations where couples have got married after going thru a contrived courtship etc (some ridiculous) only to later disband the marriage. I feel sorry for children brought up this way but many later do break the shackles.
Nothing has changed in this religious cult.Women are told and have been told for years a good marriage mate is only a man who puts in lots of hours in meetings and service.( Its all about the numbers) Also If he doesnt have a position in the congregation dump him.
Wenn sie solch einen Mann nimmt, dann hat sie einen Narzisten 😢
Watching 'the handmaids tale' at the moment and watching this it's like something straight out of the series it's scary
Dating in this organization was a joke 😅😂🤣 I was miserable while I was single in this organization there was no way I was going to be happy being married to someone in this Cult. 🙄🙄🙄
As a faded JW myself , I find the off hand flippant reference to the brother (now) that he might have "a beard" to be utterly hypocritical in the extreme after the many, many years of shaming and back stabbing of ANY brother who was not clean shaven. The innuendos and snide implications that abounded in the background in regards to this matter of beards was palpable. Brothers were made to feel like pariahs if they chose to have stubble let alone a full beard. All because of some non scriptural opinion that prominent ones in the leadership had back in the 40's. And now all of a sudden, it seems Jehovah whispered in the ears of the GB that beards are actually OK and everyone now does an "about face" as if nothing to see here!!! Much like the 1914 Generation teaching it seems.
How does the man support the wife when all he is supposed to think about is the organization and what he can do for the organization. A bogus bunch of crap on how to pick a mate. It's sickening.
Don’t worry about all all that malarkey it’s totally nuts imagine having to get a written reference from the congregation you will end up having to get a tick list for virtually every aspect of your life because that’s what it amounts to. Picture the scenario a group of unmarried sisters are having a good old chin wag about certain brothers eligibility some sisters will totally ignore that and figure out for them selves by going out on dates. The other side of the coin brothers remember a sister must be tick all the boxes as well
Lloyd: Is Bell married?
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Haven't seen your videos in years, like the new look and hair mate. Its funny how the world changes and moves forward but you can always count in jw's stand still in their ways. I use to be mad at the religion when i left now its just comedy to me.
"Groomed beard nowadays".....CRINGE !!!
Is it only me who comes up with thoughs of Stories what our young inocent female JW. could see when she spies on young atractive male JW. probomly would get dissfellowshiped or at least have a serious conversation with the elders If i wrote down it and was a JW.
It's all about what are you doing for the cult, whether I should marry you that's so sad, They never mention what kind of personality he has for a good marriage, no doing for the cult is more important the message they give that's rubbish.
Will he have an opposing view on the watchtower bedroom laws.?? And can
Scriptually prove the slave have repeatedly gone beyond the things written. ?
I find it a little disturbing that the newly divorced brothers always seems to be pushed to marry the single mothers.
I thought it was a coincidence first but now I seen far to many examples.
Kinda wondering what the tie design was all about till he started speaking…😂
Who’s paying for women in full time service? Are these people living off Gov benefits?
Caution ladies the Elders won't tell you if the brother you are interested in if he is a child molester.
Oh lawd 😂 this man is crazy... its the sister getting married with the bible or with her soul mate just wondering
To be fair.. Steven Bell has a great way of speaking, but his content is dreadful .. (Phil)
I have to say that from a JW perspective the advice seems quite reasonable. It seems to me that you should assess the spirituality of any potential mate what ever the religion (or non religion). I'm a Buddhist and I probably wouldn't date an evangelical. It would never work.
My guess is that knowing anyone they marry will turn into this guy is enough to keep them from doing it. Maybe that's intentional. 😵💫🤢🤮
(1) Does he want to have children in this old system; (2) can he provide?
Sinister
Show me his wife...
Old men telling women how to think and act, how original
What a bell end..
JW dating advice badly messed me up. It makes it sound like you have to creep around finding out from other people about a person before you even know if you like them or if they like you; and even then you can't just ask them out you are supposed to spend time with them with others, so you end up organising "get togethers" so you have plausible deniability,, or asking them to go preaching together as a first date. So stupid. So indirect, and so ends up making you look pathetic.
Gosh this is hard to watch 😂
😂😅😢
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KRINGY!
All about appearance as usual rather than substance. JESUS said, “ woe unto
You when all men speak well of you. “ !
This is creepy?
how they treat the waitress is a test! truly it is and the book THE RULES! $5. Best Awake! article did address dating once upon a time, "He needs help but not from you!". Is he already educated and working? Book the Eight Questions. The lunch date is to ASK questions! And read some books if you are over 18 get facts! Your body and all that jazz. That YOUNG PEOPLE book did not give you all the facts!
Really there is only one question to ask..... "Are you one of Jehovahs Witness?" If they answer yes get the hell out of there