ULEZ Expansion | Panel discusses effect of Sadiq Khan's planned expansion on Londoners
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- ‘The war on ULEZ is a war on the poor.’
Climate Columnist Donnachadh McCarthy discusses the economic effect of Sadiq Khan’s planned ULEZ expansion and the effect on Londoners’ healths.
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I live in Manila and nobody is complaining about air quality here. It is probably 100 times worse than Sutton but still ok. Sadiq is an absolute khant.
I've been there. The jeepneys come from the second world war, they literally spew out thick black unfiltered smog.
And Thailand isn't much better.
Or India.
Or Indonesia.
Or Africa.
All told that's around 2 billion people with many spewing out this pollution.
But Khan wants you to believe your Euro 4 compliant car is toxic and needs to be taxed to high heaven .....so you buy electric......and then they tax you per mile you drive in 5 years.
Khan is ghettoising London. It's so sad to see this happening to a once great capital.
It does make me laugh though, when I see joggers running around Ayala triangle with all them fumes 🤦🏻♂️🇵🇭
@@thedannyboy64 Absolutely concur!
Prevention is better than cure
Lastly, if Pay the £12.50 you can still "pollute"😂😂😂😂😂 what an effing joke!!!
Yep, pay £12.50 a day and you can still kill children 🤪
Exactly, perhaps the clean air gods are on the take. The atrocious COVID response bankrupted the country and now the taxes are being rolled out!
Not for very long. When the number of polluting cars has reduced they will redefine pollution levels so the cash cow can keep on giving and/or move to pay per mile.
The guy is off his head the pollution in London is well below the safe limit. Brown car guy went round London with a professional pollution tester and found the air quality was well below the safe level. The only place it went above was near the tube stations.
Spot on . The s guy talking absolute shit .
If you pay a bit of attention, you can see during the video that the dresses of the pedestrians are being blown about by the wind. When the wind is blowing air pollution levels are always well below the dangerous limits because the air is being replaced with non polluted air continually.
There are enough valid arguments to complain about the way the problem is being solved, there is no reason to invent arguments to pretend the problem isn't real.
@@robinhood4640 get bk to the Jeremy vine show and BBC .
@@andrewdutton-nx3dh What exactly are you suggesting? The wind wasn't, actually blowing, the day of the "scientific test" that is being referred to? or that when the wind blows air pollution levels are not generally well below dangerous levels?
Or are just pointing out that you think i am dick because i disagree with you? Which nobody really gives a shit about.
Loads of people have done this. It’s always below 5 everywhere, then you go down to the Underground and the max I’ve seen it is 240. Safe limit is 10. And he wants us to use the Underground more. Since I saw that, it’s put me off using it at all.
Sorry to break it to you Donnachadh, but also as an asthma sufferer, its triggered by dust mites...and the london underground is a far greater trigger to asthma than a car.
I suffered from Bronchial Athsma as a child here in Australia 45 years ago. Poor air quality has nothing to do with athsma.
I live in London and there is nothing wrong with it's air quality at all. This is a cash grab from the mayor who has bankrupted TFL.
@@BrianBadondebowl Exactly. Pollution and cities go together like birds of a feather. ULEZ will barely make a difference. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the scheme will eventually be extended to all cars that are not EVs. There is no way City Hall will spend millions installing the infrastructure to run ULEZ for the sake of a small amount of pre mid 2000's reg vehicles.
@@BrianBadondebowl
Stop farting then.
@@Allangulon Now you'll have the vegans on your case. 🙂
@@alangood8190
Vegans fart more than carnivores.
Cruciferous vegetables will blow the sheets into orbit!
Khan is a nasty human being....
ULEZ is all about money!!!!!!!!!
Its always about the Money with a side serving of control 👍👍
@@oldshiny3012 Yes covid lockdown and people working at home thereafter has destroyed London Transport finances.
Nobody supports ulez
Scraping car's that pass there MOT doesn't sound very green to me.
That's a problem for another country as the UK has no Automotive industry.
Besides they will get kickbacks from dodgy Scrap Yards!
@@Allangulon Nissan , Toyota , JLR , Rolls Royce , Bentley , Morgan , Aston Martin , Lotus.All foreign owned of course but , the only reasons we have not got the more traditional names still manufacturing ,Rover and Vauxhall for example is because of crappy management , communist led unions and in the case of Rover, eventually , the government and the EU.
The people who voted for ULEZ in the poll will soon regret this decision. Also pollution in cities goes down each year
There wasn't a poll where people voted for it. That never happened (not sure where you got that information) and the reason it's being expanded, as I'm sure you'll know, is that initial ULEZ has been shown to have reduced emissions and pollution, which SK is legally obliged to do.
I'm sure you knew all that but how will people who support ULEZ (the majority of those who live in London) regret it? In what way?
They only sent the poll to the leftwing voters!😊😊😊
@@dombrandon3018they will regret it when there food bills go up ,any work men they need will charge more they will be less well off ,
@@brianthirling9260 You do know London already has ULEZ? We've had it for years, it's to reduce pollution and there's not a sniff of a suggestion that it has affected food bills (or any bills) because vast majority aren't affected by ULEZ, despite what your right-wing news channels might have convinced you.
I live in London, it doesn't affect the massive majority because the massive majority, workmen included, don't drive diesel or dirty vehicles.
No one voted for it!
Asthma is brought on by stress as well, this ULEZ charge will definitely kill more people who have asthma from stress of the cost, that makes Khant a murderer.
It's a complete scam MONEY 🤑 spinner.....ok if it passes an MOT it shouldn't be charged.
I live in the countryside and had childhood asthma. Thank you Jamie for sounding like a normal human being.
The Irish guy is a militant. Anything he has to say is utter rubbish
ULEZ doesn't just affect Londoners, it affects people in every County around Outer London.
soon to effect the whole of the country 👍👍 Remember the Publics Voice doesn't matter anymore your just here to be MILKED
Majority of Londoners support ULEZ, majority of Londoners voted in Sadiq Khan (twice), even if right-wing media doesn't like it.
Massive majority of GBNews followers wouldn't even have heard of ULEZ until they had their opinion given to them by GBNews.
and if you are taking / picking people to/ from Heathrow from around the country. I had a letter from TFL telling me to check my car was compliant. I live in Shropshire and took my wife to Heathrow in April The new ULEZ sign on the slip road of the M4 for Heathrow Terminal 2/3
@@sjbict Heathrow isn't in ULEZ and certainly wasn't in April.
@@jukeboxtimebomber i doubt he'll get same support this time
Get rid of khan now and starmer is a hypocrite he was all for ulez until he lost Uxbridge
If you were really concerned over your childs health regarding emissions surely you would move to an area where the emissions were safer than put your child at risk. Also paying £12.50 as a penalty to drive in the zone defeats the object of removing the pollution. So in other words the air quality is safe to a degree in the extended Ulez zone. Sadiq you are playing with fire and this will not end well. There is a difference between a little white lie and downright fraud. Really hope he gets his just deserts.
I grew up in the countryside in some of the cleanest air in the country and had asthma.
To equate getting Asthma with inner city congestion is nonsense.
If your child has asthma and it’s that big of a deal, move someone with better air quality.
The cost of living in London is far higher than most places including places in the countryside, so I don’t want to hear how that is unpractical because of cost.
If you own a house, house prices are much cheaper, if you rent, rent is much cheaper.
If you’re concerned about your child’s health, move, it’s a no brainer.
Also, it doesn’t matter where you live, you are going to come in contact with something that will set of your asthma, even in the countryside, like pollen or hay etc
@@johnkitching2248 not a stupid argument, just a stupid person reading it who doesn’t understand it, lol, as highlighted by your comment in response 🤦♂️
What a plonka!
@@johnkitching2248Don't be a dolt ! That's not what he said.
@@johnkitching2248
The athsma argument is just a way of convincing the feeble-minded.
Athsma is not triggered by pollution, I know as I suffered from Bronchial athsma as child! Has the past three years not taught you politicians lie about everything?
"To equate getting Asthma with inner city congestion is nonsense". It is! Although asthma cases have gone up markedly in the same period air pollution has fallen. The health of people in London is better than elsewhere (probably because they are richer).
You are so right , when I was a child I used to go to Ireland for the summer holidays . My Grandparents owned a farm, I got Asthma every time I went but as soon I got home I was fine , I have lived most of my life around Heathrow. Hay and Barley straw ect can cause Asthma .
I wish people would correct Khan or this climate bloke or anyone else who keeps spouting £2000 scrappage scheme. It is not ! It is "up to" £2000, and knowing Khan, I reckon very few will actually be eligible for the full £2000.
Seen Sadiq Khan being driven around in a big Range Rover which is probably more polluting than the old codger's van.
Dirty air in London now?? My Arse!!!
There is in some London underground stations but a meter will show it meets the limits elsewhere. So forcing people to use public transport is ironic.
Is all about taking people off roads, most people won't be able to afford a car in couple of years.. 15 minutes cities Next
If it was only to do with health, there wouldn't be any need to look into ways of replacing lost income when all vehicles are compliant and revenue from fines is reduced something allegedly in progress already. It's a money grab...
So will the £12.50 daily charge guarantee clean air. !!!
Climate Columnist Donnachadh McCarthy gave some misleading information. Asthma has been increasing markedly in a time period where air pollution has been falling so giving it a negative correlation. There is a positive correlation (no causal link) between various diseases and patient address near major roads however this could also be explained also by poorer people living near busy roads and some of the diseases have no clear connection with air quality. This is a contribution towards mortality due to other causes with only one person so far having this attributed on their death certificate. (This will probably increase as the issue become politicised). The actual air quality readings in London are below the legal thresholds with the exception of tube stations. So there is not a good case for ULEZ with respect to air quality but Donnachadh McCarthy can say anything if unchallenged.
@@user-iv5ox7tq2l 1) "The assertion that asthma has been increasing while air pollution has been falling" Relevant information here.
A) In the UK, there was a 33% increase in asthma deaths over a decade 2008-2018.
B) Pollution including traffic pollution has been falling over that period. Ref Long-term trends in emissions of air pollutants Figure 1: Trends in annual emissions of particulate matter (PM10 and PM2.5), nitrogen oxides, ammonia, non-methane volatile organic compounds, and sulphur dioxide, 1970-2021 (1980-2021 for ammonia). gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions-of-air-pollutants.
2) "as various factors beyond air quality can influence asthma rates". Yes indeed it must be something else, but the other factors need to be identified its not possible simply to blame traffic pollution as tends to be the case.
3) "While distinguishing between correlation and causation is important, correlations can still point to associations that merit further investigation, even if a direct causal link is challenging to establish". Agreed but you cannot have it both ways. The 4k London/40k UK contributary deaths reports are widely quoted by ULEZ supporters even though these are correlations and of questionable methodology which I can go into if you like.
4) "While socioeconomic factors could contribute to the positive correlation between diseases and living near major roads, it's also crucial to recognize that air pollution near major roads can have health effects regardless of residents' socioeconomic status". Agreed but you have to consider both factors rather than in isolation if you want to find out the disease outcome to road/pollution correlation.
5) "health impacts might still occur at levels below those thresholds". The limits been set with regard to normal populations. If there is someone especially susceptible, particularly if they are ill from something else you may speculate that an even lower limit could have been beneficial. This would be an argument for setting all limits to zero but it is not done in this way because of the disproportionate costs. The value of life is not infinite. A practically flawed argument.
6) A) "no strong case for Ultra Low Emission Zones (ULEZ) based on air quality" and B) "benefits of ULEZ policies in reducing vehicle emissions and improving overall environmental and public health" These are not separate arguments.
7) "attributed on a death certificate, it's important to acknowledge the cumulative impact of air pollution on public health over time and potential lag effects in mortality reporting". This is not the explanation. Bad air quality has existed for decades. The explanation is that Doctors put the obvious cause of death, and the part of air pollution is not easily identified. (Except that with activist Doctors it will be!).
8) "consider various viewpoints, scientific research, and the broader environmental and public health context is crucial for a well-rounded understanding of complex issues like air quality, pollution, and their health impacts". People say its complex when they can't win the argument! Have you noticed?
He does it everytime, spouts crap
labour are not the party of the people & nor are the Tories
Try and get Khan on for an interview. However, I suppose he'll turn it down. He is a coward. Challenge him on ulez racism sexism the church and grooming gangs. All these subjects we know he is dodgy on.
Why are cases of asthma increasing considering Londons air has improved over the last thirty years? Could there be other factors at work here?
I think the problem is ozone, which hasn't decreased. Many aspects of air pollution have, which give a global tendency of decreased air pollution, but specific air pollutants do not all follow the same tendency.
@@user-iv5ox7tq2l Would it have been checked , you sound very trusting of clearly corrupted authority . We and the World have had during 2021/22 comorbidities ignored and dismissed as causes of death. Anybody that would trust statements such as "comorbidity would have been checked" would be very foolish to believe such a thing.
ULEZ is as unpopular as Donnachadh McCarthy. Self interest.
I thought
MOT pass give you legal rights to drive in UK
Mot also does mission
To check it legal to drive
And road taxes your car
For this....????
I was brought up in East London, and also work as a London Taxi driver for 28 years, my father was also brought up in East London and was also a cab driver, none of my family have asthma, if bad air was causing asthma, everyone would have it, wouldn’t they? And as for people in london wanting ulez, yes maybe they do, in central london, but not in the outta zones
If people don’t pay it will end! You can’t be fined and if you are go to court the judge will throw it out because you broke no law 👊
Its a joke and it's greed and it's gaslighting. Playing on poorly children. What about the health of children when there's no money for food.
I've seen this guy before and he always has the same argument.
The guy who still has to work at the age of 76? Is the one I would trust , what he's saying makes sense.
Stammer will say anything to win the election. Vote Reform.
So if you cough up some cash everyday, what comes out of your exhaust pipe is going to magically change, if not, it won't make any difference to the air. Stupid idea.
So I don’t have to pay congestion charge because I can put the charge on to my customers. I can see the happiness of a customers when they call for the plumber in London
How about the disgusting underground that children travel on ?
GBBC news at it again, why doesn't that middle-aged presenter just go and work for the BBC.
You’re rather economical with the truth on the 9500
Yes, it is only £7,000 if you scrap a van and £9,000 for a minibus. You only get £9,500 if you scrap the van for a £40-60,000 electric van!
DOWN WITH ULEZ AND ALL WHO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON. MAN IN PINK TALKING NONSENSE IF EVERYONE PAID THE £12.50 HOW IS THE AIR ANY DIFFERENT?
Donnachadh is back wearing his 2021 PURPLE SHIRT!!!!! The man owns only two shirts. Blue and PURPLE.
'It's helping poor people'
Poor man: No its not
'It's helping dead children'
...British politics in a nutshell
The elephant in the room is the quality of air on the tube.
We'd better charge electric vehicles too then seeing as its been proven they emit MORE particulates than normal cars from the extra wear on their tires because they are far heavier, not to mention a massive fire hazard.
They will get charged in years to come when the cameras are used to bring in price-per-mile for all road users. ULEZ is just a smoke-screen (pun intended!) to bring in money for Khan who has blown TFL's budget.
this man is talking out of emotions, not facts my friend who lives in SE18 scraped his non compliant car and was given only £200 pounds which he could only claim on the condition he purchased a new car which he can not afford, so now he's lost his car and received no money. as they only tell you how much they will pay after you scrap your car
A tax on pollution? Poluttion doesn't pay taxes, real people do. 🙄
The bottom line is he broke the law 🤷🏼♀️
Go put the gimp in the purple shirt down the underground
Khan has been reported to have said if your going to pray, then no pay ULEZ, that applies to all religions except Christian? He is anti white British in my books, a racist, or can this be justified?
Donnachadh was lucky he didn't have to answer what Jamie said at the end.
This ULEZ supporter is unreal. Makes so many unsubstantiated facts. He ignores the costs on the poor and the deaths and I'll health associated with being poor.
Stop ulez
Mr Ashma just raising my blood pressure.. I had to stop watching!
its a money grab.
Arnt politicians supposed to listen to the people they work for.... ulez Referendum! Whole lot needs reforming!
That went out the window after the Brexit vote as they were expecting the plebs to vote yes.😊
It is a piss take! End of!
There is more pollution in the underground than on the roads , so is he should be taxing them not the drivers
If you are poor you will use the underground. This mode of transport is highly toxic. It would be more eco friendly to tackle this problem in London.😎😎😎😎😎😎🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Where does purple shirt get his information and statistics from fgs!
Isabel, you CAN SEE particulates in the air. That is what gives haze, ozone and the sunset reds and oranges over the cityscape.
That seventy-six year old guy is true Brit-a dying breed. The man from The Independent puts my back up with his "progressive" language "tradesperson" instead of "tradesman". Sod that for a lark.
I agree that cars and car emissions have been underestimated so far as health is concerned so I am a bit divided about this.
My personal view is that in the long term this should be done but this sudden abrupt high charge persecutes the self employed. The woman is right that the plan has been very badly sold.
I love oil and want to burn tons more oil.
#SCRAPULEZ
This is absolutely a conversation about TAX pure and simple
Who really needs help is Khan!. This man is as mad as Khan.🤪. Athsma is everywhere and some could be put down to living accommodation ( mould, damp houses, dust, animals and not forgetting the trains and tubes etc) should Khan not be looking at where poor people are living ( Croydon was highlighted as one of the worst in Uk. Khan is not worried about health it’s money he is after to support his bankrupt fund.
My twin brother had asthma in the 60's. I didn't. There were hardly any cars. ULEZ is very bad news for ordinary UK citizens.
ULEZ is just another nasty TAX.
I have mild emphysema and this is tax on working people.
Milked by the state 👍👍
FFS stop using emotional blackmail.
If your kid suffers from asthma, move out of London
Clean up the air quality in the Tube which is a lot worse, before you start wingeing about cars.
We've got the cleanest air in 300 years. There's nothing wrong.
This is just tax.
@@seasonedbeefs yep can't remember seeing news broadcasts about toxic smog recently , not like the last Century
The awful conditions that some Londoners live in, mould on walls, spores, Mites etc. The underground is filthy too, even that needs to get cleaned up.
Disingenuous arguments trying to use emotion over facts
White van man spot on again.coal is great get a grip.its all about money 5000 2000 9000.
Once in labour will bring it back in.
Every time I travel on London underground I wear a mask because of the pollution down in the tunnels. The air down there is horrible and nobody is doing a research and testing. Every day we pay big money to the TFL to breath in the bad air and the autocrat gets way with it. What a cheeky git !
Thousands of compliant cars available for less than £2000.....oh really. Show us just 10 mate!!!! what's that, cant find any unless you are dragging it from the scrap yard... Get your head out of your backside!!!!
I have just bought one for 2k.
73000 miles. Mint condition. Love it. Cheap to run. None of the leccy nonsense.
@@seasonedbeefsThe trouble is you can't prove your statement " I've just bought 10 of them for a tenner each" 😊
@@Celtictribes I've got the receipt. I ain't lying. I haven't got the budget for anything else. But I did view plenty of motors on autotrader for under 2k. Within 5 miles there was over 80 cars. I live in London so granted higher ratios but yeah I paid 2k.
@@seasonedbeefs Well where i live in the UK you'll get nothing for 2k & as for good van it would be easier to find unicorns.
@@Celtictribes yeah sure vans will be a lot higher.
Only one third of people claiming on the last scrappage scheme got any money. One big lie.
Pollution is not only the cause for Asthma, I had Asthma when I was young and it started when we lived in a village where there was literally no Pollution, how about the air quality in London underground, everyone who uses underground should send ulez invoice to Sadick Khan like he is sending fines to us! Tit 4 Tat!
End all food & drink deliveries into the Borough of Westminster.
See how many parties they can hold in a lockdown.
Did the congestion charge cut congestion? Do all the rich people in London have exclusively clean air not available to the poor? 🤣
when he was a child there was far less cars on the road he,s talking bollocks mr purple shirt .
if your paying £12.50 hows that cleaning up the air, you havent changed anything???????????????????????? wake up the air is the same.
Sick of the sound of McCarthy’s voice.
Pretty poor job by the interviewers on this video. The video title and content is about ULEZ Expansion and not the existing ULEZ, which is a different talking point. According to poll data and the ULEZ Expansion consultation itself, Londoners are NOT in favor of ULEZ expansion (point raised at 1:04). Londoners are in favor of ULEZ staying where it is though, which is a different point.
Correct, as in central London people can use public transport whereas outer London has much less alternative forms of transport available.
Blade runners never would have been heard of if they tried this 30 years ago.
Who can buy a ULEZ compliant car for £2k?! Also, the prices for 2nd hand vans and cars has now rocketed up.
Where's the evidence of birds, animals and insects, adversely affected by unclean air?
I don't see birds dropping out of the sky caused by poor air quality.
They tested all areas outside of London and the air is okay..
12 kids v all those who are going to be displaced by ulez
So if Khan was elected he is accountable but like bungler Sunak not until election time so whats the problem?Seems that once elected politicians pursue their own path until next time so perhaps something is wrong with the system?
So if you pay you can still pollute, ridiculous
Why don't we tax fast food restaurants? Many more are dying of high blood pressure caused by saturated fats and so on. Nonsense policy, ulez
So how does the £12.50 paid clean the air - what will the money be used for?
Khan will learn eventually when there are no business left. He would never admit it though.
ULEZ Nationwide expansion ! ? ! Yes ! Yes ! ! YESSS ! ! !
. . . let the Notherners know their place : subservient to London, always
Who let him out again
Interesting about the MOT. If its truly about clean air (which it's not) then any non-compliant vehicle should fail the MOT. Oh but wait then they wouldn't make any money!! Another undeniable proof its a money grab. Its wrong PERIOD, but £12.50 is pure greed and robbery. I mean even if the charge was reasonable like £1 per day or something...
They just talk bollocks all the time
To me, the ULEZ expansion sounds like populist fuss.
Has he ever been on the underground?Its like smoking forty a day.
Jamie’s the salt of the earth.