For overall video editing, Intel Quick Sync is a real game changer. A couple of months ago, I switched my main PC from a 5800X to a 13700K, and every issue I had with AMD has disappeared with Intel. Overall, everything feels smoother and snappier. Even when using a dedicated GPU, exporting directly with Quick Sync usually works faster and better than with a dedicated flagship GPU.
@@goldfries Or (and I actually have no ide if this would be a viable option) you could get an A380 and maybe you can run quicksync through that? Again, I do not know if this is possible, but it might be worth looking into it since it should be the cheaper/easier (solution)
@@georgitodorov4048 I honestly can not tell the difference between nvidia nvenc h265 and intel quicksync h265 at 4k 16Mbps (and even amd vce h265), though it might just be me
@Immortal__ There are claims by Intel that ARC and the integrated graphics can work together from when it was introduced but from what I know (which is very little honestly as I have never touched an ARC gpu) it hasn't worked how they've claimed. But all that information is before recent updates.
I plan on doing an I9 12900k setup. It will be a slow build and a dedicated gpu will be last. I am currently using the an I9 9900k with a RTX 3060 for Sony Vegas. It does quite well as I use it for both gaming and editing.
Love the video man! Ryzen 7000 and intel 13th are absolutely amazing. I can definitely back that intel hits higher numbers for performance in most scenarios compared to 7000. Only reason i went with ryzen though is mainly the power draw. Intel cpus suck down quite a bit more than the ryzen and since the performance is fairly small and probably not noticable in every day task, i went with 7950x back in December and dont regret it one bit.
I heard the power draw average is in favor of Intel. Amd use more power at idle and in games the power is the same. It is at rendering that the power draw is higher. And we are talking of no more than a bulb consumption difference. My issue is more the temp of both Intel and new amd cpu. Undervolting is necessary and i don’t know the impact on long term. Intel has better memory controller and no cpu burning like amd. I wait to see ryzen 8000 and intel 15900k. By the meantime i will simply upgrade to 5950x or 5900x
Trust me not a big difference because Intel is the most efficient when not gaming or only background task can go down to just 15watt but my brothers Ryzen was still pulling around 70-90watt not sure why they are designed like this idle power consumption is not as good as Intel
@@CC-gt3ro Not that is means much, but I did run a 7700k for 5y, was constantly hitting 100°C and thermal throttling (problem with the cooler but I never changed it), it is still working well in my second build and surprisingly enough it still can hold the 5ghz profile I created in 2017 (with same voltage). I believe there was a slight chip degradation since the 5.1ghz profile isn't stable anymore, but if you ask me it is still mighty impressive. Adding to this I think Intel stated that they expect their chips to be "fine" at running at TJ max. Therefore in general I would not worry too much about temperatures
I just want to point out that intel cpus seam to have a much lower idle power draw than AMD multi-chiplets cpus, thus depending on the use case intel might come out as the higher efficiency option. (Tech Notice himself did a pool a while back asking AMD users what was the idle power draw of their cpu and there are other reports around about this)
@@mastroitek I noticed this as well after posting cause it seems like in my use case my AMD CPU for some reason enjoys to sip on power. Idle wattage without anything running in the background is only around 20-25w, 30-35w when using browser, and 70-90w maximum when I game. I didn't realize normal wattage pull for 7950x was closer to 40w idle and a bit higher for other use cases
I'm using Davinci Resolve, went from 5900X to 7600 because I went with DR Studio so work is done through GPU. A friend informed me that Intel with iGPU actually works better in Davinci Resolve for scrubbing through DR timeline (I'm doing 4K reso). Current I'm not facing any lag or lack, just wondering if it's worth me spending a good load of money just for a new board, go with Core i3-12100 (the only one I have with iGPU, not using CPU cores much). Would appreciate if could get some opinion from you. TIA.
I would say it's not worth it right now for you to spend money to completely switch platforms. Wait until you need to upgrade, then switch over to Intel. At least wait until Zen 5 comes out to see if it might actually utilize the iGPU at all. Intel's next gen will be Arrow Lake in 2025. That might be a good time to upgrade and switch over.
@@squatch545 thanks man, the thing is .... I don't actually have to spend to switch platform, at least if I do it won't be much. I have all the platforms and systems configurable, just wondering if it's worth the hassle. Currently only AM5 RDNA2 for my work and felt no lack.
@@squatch545 yeah forgot the description I used in a 10 day old comment. What I meant that time, was only for the motherboard. An ITX B660 board with DDR5 from Asus costs quite a bit as a board itself. But my response to you just now was because you mentioned (to what I understand) as an overall platform. Pardon me for any confusion. Really appreciate your comment.
Any idea on how the 3d v cache cpu (like the 7800x3d) perform in production benchmark ( photoshop, resolve ... not 3d) ? Can those programs benefit from the cache like games ?
I love your videos, it was very helpful this year as I had a new system put together and went with the 13700K and 64gb Ram and a RTX 4070 and the system is ridiculously fast and doesn't miss a beat whatever is thrown at it. I decided to spend a bit more and added a second screen and it;s amazing how much time I save now in my editing.
Thank you for this review, I personally went with Intel despite people saying to get AMD for performance. Not a single regret. Intel is fast enough for gaming and definitely faster for video editing!
@@theTechNotice in my workplace the editors who work in Adobe line of products or Da Vinci prefer Intel CPUs And as for us 3D artists We can't say , even Xeon is falling short😅
Please run them on ram speeds that works best for them. Most people probably won't run their 6400 kit at 5200. Could also show the difficulties running it at higher speeds if there are any.
Coincidentally I was already saving up and planning a January upgrade - a new rig to sit alongside this one. Could not have timed this video, and also this comment any better :) I will definitely be looking to run my memory at the fastest stable speed. For the first time in a decade I probably gonna go with blue team.@@theTechNotice
I can't understand how you still haven't hit a million subscribers? The numbers on YT are definitely not based upon overall quality. If they were, you would never have left the top three most visited channels. Mystifying algorithm.
P-core and E-core are Intel terms just like hyper-threading. AMD only has cores and SMT. I understand your reasons for your RAM speed selection but doesn't really make sense as the comparison is biased. To be consistent you should have disabled boosting on both CPUs as there specified rated TDP are going to be out of spec otherwise. As far the memory controllers being weaker or better, that could be true but not necessarily accurate and AMD's chiplet design and infinity fabric wouldn't necessarily perform any better if it's IMC was "stronger" or "better". AMD released a new AGESA that improved DDR5 speed on AM5 to DDR5-8000 MT/s, does change the chips engineering but doesn't it make the previously weak IMC "stronger". If you used had locked the base frequencies for both then the extra power requirements for Intel wouldn't have been an issue.
I thought about that, but not sure if you've looked into 4 stick EXPO on Ryzen 7000 or higher capacity RAM (64GB+) EXPO stability? As creators we need more than just 32GB and at higher capacities Intel does do a better just at the moment, which should be reflected in the benchmarks. If I used 6000mts 32GB on both platforms, I'd actually bottleneck the benchmarks by the RAM capacity which would skew the results even more. The reason I'm leaving the power limits open is not because I've opened them, it's because most* motherboards have set the MCE or equivalent ON by default (whether this should be on is another conversation) and I believe most people will use the motherboard like that. Hope this clarifies this abit.
@@theTechNotice AM5 does have limitations on 4 sticks, so most people needing 64 GB will use 2 32 GB sticks. And most users will enable XMP/EXPO. I would even go so far as saying they would put some effort in basic memory tuning. I don't expect you to do that when benchmarking. Since you use primarily Intel terminology I assume you are more comfortable in that environment. But if you are going to allow any amount of power on an Intel platform you should at least use the optimum 6000 MT/s with 2 x 32 GB for the AMD system. They are both sanctioned overclocking. I'm of the mind it's wilful bias because no one would do what you are doing and then claiming that one system is better than the other.
Thanks for the video. It would have been great if you could have thrown in the details for power consumption and heat management for those CPU's and show the stats. Thanks like your content.
Great timing, I am now planning to upgrade next year after a devastating crash that corrupt my project file that made me redo all my work Might go for intel, much cheaper because of ddr4, gives more time to save for ddr5 Do Photoshop Next
I don't know why but I wanted the AMDs to do better. Either way by the time I finally get to upgrade, you'll have a video for the 14900 vs 8950 video out. Whatever I end up choosing then, will get de-lidded and a custom loop to cool it. 20 degree Celsius drop in temps under load on the 7950 de-lidded.
Because AMD is the reason Intel has to make better chips. If it were not for AMD, intel would be selling it's Raptor Lake chips for twice the price they are now.
@@humansvd3269 mmm aside from that. Best analogy I can think of is cheering for your home team. With the road map of when I can actually upgrade I will probably still go with the 8950X. I wanna say 'to support the underdog' but overall AMD is killing Intel in the high priced server market and AI sectors. I should also mention that anything current or upcoming is going to feel like heaven coming from my aging 7820X on the X299 platform.
⚠️ How well these systems run adobe premiere pro and adobe after effects at the same time using complex projects, transferring media one from another ? Did you made this test ? Does anybody knows ? I intend to do an upgrade on my machine to another editing one, but I'm still deciding about amd Ryzen 7950x and Intel 13900k for both intense adobe premiere pro and after effects. Thanks. 🎉🎉❤
why dony you under clock the RAM for intel at 5200 Mhz to match both ...400mhz is big difference to change the benchmark results...set both to euals frequency and check again
Another great video. Man, these must be a lot of work! I have a high end PC with the 13900K and a 4090. It does very well in Resolve. Especially when adding Noise Reduction or certain effects. However, when it comes to smooth Timeline performance and overall fluidity in editing, I gravitate to my M1 Ultra Studio. It just slices through all footage better. It’s a better editing experience. Especially with 10 bit 4.2.2. Footage. The Intel does do a good job with that footage, but the M1 is simply faster and smoother with it.
I use a 5k by 2k LG monitor. For both. I switch between Thunderbolt and Display Port. I know that the M2 Ultra Studio literally runs strong noise reduction effects in 4k and can do about 30fps while editing. Pretty impressive. @@theTechNotice
The reason I asked about the monitors is because of Apple scaling 'issues'. Not sure if you saw my M1 Ultra long term review? :) You've done right and went with the 5k resolution monitor. If I wanted to switch to mac studio, I'd have to replace my monitors... which really annoys me!
Enjoyed! I have the ProArt motherboard for my 7950X CPU and a mid-tear video card. I am a DR user. I will wait for the next gen to upgrade my video card. The 10G connection to my NAS is a crucial feature.
Love it, best timing for this video. Not seen you in a while! Every month or so you re-engage my interest with one of these things :) Great work again.
Well since I am using movie Maker HD and my old Zen2 rig, basic creator kit - I always come back here before I buy something. January is the planned upgrade time, so really anything that's going to help me make a better decision is a must-watch at the moment. I had a far more humble start than you did, but my ambitions are probably just as wide - but I have a far stricter budget lol. I think it's unlikely I will spend more than £2k on the entire setup, monitor and computer. That means unless I am getting a great deal on a GPU, it will be whichever one gives me the editing grunt that I will need at the lowest reasonable price. It's the least likely part to get an upgrade in future! But aside from those things which you already do quite often, certainly as often as I require - additional things you could do that I would like : - Spy and virus guards which are good with the least performance hit (I never get to disable mine not even for a day). - Best ways or methods to have a main rig for editing and recording, and maybe 3 or 4 other HDMI devices along with a big screen and 3 smaller ones. What is the optimal way to organise and run all that stuff together? I have a terrible time with that. I have so many extra cables and box switches and stuff, and it's still not ideal or even near to! it is functional lol. I bet you could do a far far better job, in fact if you did a long video that 100% solved this problem I would go and spend £30-40 in your store or Patreon just for that one thing! Only since it is you doing it though, don't farm it out to somebody else lol I was stung by that once with LTT. Or should I say ETT.@@theTechNotice
Great video! Glad you labeled it specifically for video editing. If I’m not mistaken, that mobo has a noise canceling feature. It would be interesting to see a video comparing its noise canceling vs nvidia or AMDs.
@@_B.C_ I tried the first driver amd shipped with the noise cancelation feature and it works but leaves a light hissing sound, not sure if this was patched up. The nvidia one works fine. The asus software is probably similar to another cpu based noise isolation software called Krisp voice (the same stuff embedded in discord for noise isolation).
I'd recommend looking into Pugetbench and how they test the hardware, because that's as close as you can get to 'real-world' identical tasks without adding user error into the equation.
was looking at buying an intel i7 12700kf, I'm assuming it falls in-between the i7 13700k and Ryzen 9 7950x ? maybe a little lower than the Ryzen ? was just curious with your opinion on it. looking to use it for premiere pro
I just wanna say thank you for covering the Creators needs when it comes to hardware benchmark !!!!! , If there is a possibility compare the last gen Ryzen Cpus plss.
thanks! if I can't afford any dedicate GPU, should I go for Intel or AMD, I guess Intel due to the better codec support right? But the AMD 780U actually has better Gaming performance, do you have any test on that? Coz there are more people starting to use handheld PC / Ultraportable Laptop for video editing in dock mode. I wonder how amd 7840U + 780m iGPU vs Intel 13900H + Iris Graphics
Why didn't you talk about the quicksync in Davinci Resolve? When you compared AMD and Intel with Davinci 2 years ago, you talked about the quicksync a lot and you recommended the Intel for Davinci resolve. What is the difference now?
Did you not know that AMD get the same amout of frequnecy as intel? 8000MT+ on 48GB? Also hardcore overclokers say AMD controller is more stable at higher MT
I like your tests and reviews. But i think here there is an error. 11:29 it shows "Extended overall 741 for Ryzen 9 7900x" at 11:40 same value but for Ryzen 9 7950x!
What about a video on dual 4090 builds for Redshift/Octane? What Mobos and Cases can fit it? What are the temperatures of the upper card when they run almost glued together? Caveats of PCI speeds and lanes. And most important (for me): Is it possible to have two suprim liquid x 4090s on a Fractal North build?
same me: I've been following that CPU for a couple of months now. Everyone saying it's great for editing/rendering but I didn't find good comparisons with these CPUs
i have a 4070 r7 7800x3d 32gb ram, i stepped away from gaming and do photo editing. what you recommend to upgrade for better rendering. use usual adobe programs, davinci as well
Thanks for this detailed comparison! Taking into consideration different such as upgradability and cost temperatures etc in exchange for just 10% more overall performance ill still rock my Ryzen all day :D
intel is on sale right now, I was thinking of picking up the 13700k, but I think I am going to wait a little bit longer since raptor lake refresh is 3 days away.
The big jump for Intel will be arrow lake with the 15900k. I have the feeling this processor will be a beast with 40 cores and probably 4/5 nm chip. For Intel it will be a big jump. On the 14th only the 14700k seems good with more e-cores. For Amd i would pass on the first gen am5 zen 4 and wait zen 5 or zen 6
Can this comparison be applied to laptops with the same results? How do these perform with after effects , photoshop, illustrator & 3D applications? As a general rule, can a gaming setup give the same results for video & graphic design or do the parameters change?
Hello there. For some time i had an r7 5700X in my system for video editing. I work mainly with content for social media, usually shoot on IPhone. I just buy a laptop as backup system and to be able to edit when im not at home, it has an r5 8645hs, which includes and IGPU, alongside an rtx 4050. I literally buy the cheapest option i found, cost it mean to be a complimentary system. But it turns out that editing on it feels way smoother than in my main pc. I edit in premiere pro, btw. I know igups helps to smooth the work in the timeline, but I thought only the intel ones have that effect. My questions are: is that so? The AMD igpus help to decode video in premiere as well? Or is just the technology had advanced that much and that r5 laptop chip is just better than my r7 desktop from some years ago? Furthermore, i was thinking on upgrading my desktop, for an intel chip which includes an igpu, but with all the problems the 13 and 14 gen had, im not so sure now. If the igpus from AMD work the same as Intels, I should consider the possibility of choosing an r7 8700G, Instead of a 7000 chip? I someone knows or have some knowledge to share, I’ll be really helpful.
I wish timeline playback was considered in these tests. Getting 20% quicker exports really doesn't mean much to me in the real world, but ability to decode H.265 in real time is vital to being able to edit.
Yeah this would be very interesting. I have the most entry level Ryzen 9, the 7900, and it'd be super interesting to see more of the ryzen 7000 non-x CPU benchmarks.
Intel all the way for overall results. I hate when salesperson in our local stores were locked on with AMD suggestions. When I ask them if they can help me with building pc, they would tell me go for AMD for video editing. And I know they only say it because it's a trend but actually they don't know anything about video editingng. They're just selling and suggesting according to what they hear.
This was very helpful. It seems nearly impossible for me to find information from a creators first perspective instead of gaming benchmarks. I don't even play fortnight. More like this please.
One thing I'm wondering about when comparing Intel to AMD is how much cooling do you need? Apparently ryzen 7000 series are designed to run hot and I don't know if this is just AMD making excuses or whether the CPU actually performs better at 95C compared to running a custom loop capable of lowering the temperature. Can a 360 aio cool a 13900k so it won't throttle for video editing? I know sometimes the tests used to test these CPUs push them beyond what regular workload will ever ask of the CPU. Is the cooling required the same between the 7950x and 13900k? Sorry if you have already covered these questions in a previous video. I'm still pretty new to your content.
Depends on which program you're using. Clipchamp? Hang it up. Either processor will do great with adequate ram and a decent gpu (whatever the gpu has to do with it) unless either of these are APUs. I dunno. Cant afford that type of thing wot with all the inflation going on in my head. How fast is editing on a pentium or athlon using Windows Movie Maker?
@theTechNotice can you do a video for budget photo editing pc whc mostly works withe Adobe Lightroom CC and Adobe Photoshop as well.... Thanks In Advance
HI I have a graphics card rx 6600 xt 8GB and ryzen 5 2600 3.60Ghz, but I have a problem with edtting 4K videos, can you give me some tip, wich some budget CPU I would buy +I have 32GB ram
Just bought a pc from an m1 pro MacBook and i think im definitely going back to mac where stuff just works! It’s not like im a developer i just want a snappy machine period!
I have a Intel i7 14700 CPU and am returning my gigabyte Auro Z790 as RAM slot faulty. I'm wondering if I should wait till computex or get a Proart board. I heard a Rumer new lg1700 boards being released although I'm doubtful .Hmm So should I wait just in case. If Arrow lake were to be released sooner than Q4 id wait but don't think that'll be the case. Any thoughts..
I wana selct between a laptop ryzen 7640hs or 7840hs for gaming and some 3d animation tasks with unity will I loose a lot of performance with the ryzen 7640hs over 7840
warranty of factory spec? This guy is clueless. AMDs website shows you which ram kits to buy to get speeds up to 6000. There is no fine print saying you will void your warranty. Not that I care what he does. But I think that qualifies as AMD approved. Pretty sure he knows that also.
I think he worded that a bit poorly but his intention was to state the default memory controller frequency. Expo doesn’t void warranty and in fact AMD was paying for shipping broken CPUs from that SOC voltage fiasco a few months back. Tldr: he probably didn’t mean warranty
I highly recommend checking out AMD's EXPO page here: www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo Click on the little arrow on this page and footnotes, which is very interesting. Now at the same time even though they shouldn't officially warranty the OC-d CPU I've heard multiple stories how AMD has replaced the CPUs even when they've been OC-d. This could vary by region and they 'don't have to legally', but it's just an important point to consider... Also, this conversation with JJ might also shed light on this topic: ua-cam.com/video/wzVZgTP2204/v-deo.htmlsi=pvUyBWl9qGIrmToJ
does the AMD has new decoding for the 8k 10bit 422? I was considering get intel because of the quick sync. My current amd Can't run davinci 8k 10bit 422 , I get like 5 fps while 420 I can get around 20ish
Can you make a video about the AI on the Lightroom , i have a Ryzen 5700G and its takes some time until it detects or make some changes. it is CPU or GPU accelerated ? I dont have a GPU, i run only iGPU
as a person who doesn't care about Puget tests and prefer more personal use experience can you please do more of that kind of review or add it to all these tests
@@theTechNotice yah i have seen this video before. And for the past 5 months I had also seen a lot of videos how the amd high power usage during idle can be fixed. Please include power usage again for your 14th gen review.
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I asked about this comparison in your last live stream . Tnks for this video
For overall video editing, Intel Quick Sync is a real game changer. A couple of months ago, I switched my main PC from a 5800X to a 13700K, and every issue I had with AMD has disappeared with Intel. Overall, everything feels smoother and snappier. Even when using a dedicated GPU, exporting directly with Quick Sync usually works faster and better than with a dedicated flagship GPU.
Interestingly, I also have a Mac M2, which works wonders for video editing, and its overall performance is on par with something like the 13700K
It's comments like this that makes me feel like changing.
Even if it's from AMD Ryzen 5 7600 to Intel Core i3-12100 for the iGPU usage.
@@goldfries Or (and I actually have no ide if this would be a viable option) you could get an A380 and maybe you can run quicksync through that?
Again, I do not know if this is possible, but it might be worth looking into it since it should be the cheaper/easier (solution)
you know that quick sync ruins the quality of the video right ?
@@georgitodorov4048 I honestly can not tell the difference between nvidia nvenc h265 and intel quicksync h265 at 4k 16Mbps (and even amd vce h265), though it might just be me
Adding After Effects can make this video complete! But thanks for this one! 💯
okay now make a video with 7950x, 4090, and ARC gpu in second slot to see if ARC card will be recognized or utilized for anything in premiere/davinci
Dual A770 16gb after that please. 😂
@Immortal__ There are claims by Intel that ARC and the integrated graphics can work together from when it was introduced but from what I know (which is very little honestly as I have never touched an ARC gpu) it hasn't worked how they've claimed. But all that information is before recent updates.
That would be an interesting pair of tests to compare this data to.
Is Sony vegas no longer a thing
@@chriswright8074Vegas Pro 21
I plan on doing an I9 12900k setup. It will be a slow build and a dedicated gpu will be last. I am currently using the an I9 9900k with a RTX 3060 for Sony Vegas. It does quite well as I use it for both gaming and editing.
Thank you, but could you also do a video with both systems with souped up RAM, because that's how most users will be running it. Thank you.
Looks like their close enough to not really even matter unless perhaps you’re working on very tight deadlines.
Love the video man! Ryzen 7000 and intel 13th are absolutely amazing. I can definitely back that intel hits higher numbers for performance in most scenarios compared to 7000. Only reason i went with ryzen though is mainly the power draw. Intel cpus suck down quite a bit more than the ryzen and since the performance is fairly small and probably not noticable in every day task, i went with 7950x back in December and dont regret it one bit.
I heard the power draw average is in favor of Intel. Amd use more power at idle and in games the power is the same. It is at rendering that the power draw is higher. And we are talking of no more than a bulb consumption difference. My issue is more the temp of both Intel and new amd cpu. Undervolting is necessary and i don’t know the impact on long term. Intel has better memory controller and no cpu burning like amd. I wait to see ryzen 8000 and intel 15900k. By the meantime i will simply upgrade to 5950x or 5900x
Trust me not a big difference because Intel is the most efficient when not gaming or only background task can go down to just 15watt but my brothers Ryzen was still pulling around 70-90watt not sure why they are designed like this idle power consumption is not as good as Intel
@@CC-gt3ro Not that is means much, but I did run a 7700k for 5y, was constantly hitting 100°C and thermal throttling (problem with the cooler but I never changed it), it is still working well in my second build and surprisingly enough it still can hold the 5ghz profile I created in 2017 (with same voltage). I believe there was a slight chip degradation since the 5.1ghz profile isn't stable anymore, but if you ask me it is still mighty impressive. Adding to this I think Intel stated that they expect their chips to be "fine" at running at TJ max. Therefore in general I would not worry too much about temperatures
I just want to point out that intel cpus seam to have a much lower idle power draw than AMD multi-chiplets cpus, thus depending on the use case intel might come out as the higher efficiency option.
(Tech Notice himself did a pool a while back asking AMD users what was the idle power draw of their cpu and there are other reports around about this)
@@mastroitek I noticed this as well after posting cause it seems like in my use case my AMD CPU for some reason enjoys to sip on power. Idle wattage without anything running in the background is only around 20-25w, 30-35w when using browser, and 70-90w maximum when I game. I didn't realize normal wattage pull for 7950x was closer to 40w idle and a bit higher for other use cases
I'm using Davinci Resolve, went from 5900X to 7600 because I went with DR Studio so work is done through GPU. A friend informed me that Intel with iGPU actually works better in Davinci Resolve for scrubbing through DR timeline (I'm doing 4K reso).
Current I'm not facing any lag or lack, just wondering if it's worth me spending a good load of money just for a new board, go with Core i3-12100 (the only one I have with iGPU, not using CPU cores much).
Would appreciate if could get some opinion from you. TIA.
I would say it's not worth it right now for you to spend money to completely switch platforms. Wait until you need to upgrade, then switch over to Intel. At least wait until Zen 5 comes out to see if it might actually utilize the iGPU at all. Intel's next gen will be Arrow Lake in 2025. That might be a good time to upgrade and switch over.
@@squatch545 thanks man, the thing is .... I don't actually have to spend to switch platform, at least if I do it won't be much. I have all the platforms and systems configurable, just wondering if it's worth the hassle.
Currently only AM5 RDNA2 for my work and felt no lack.
@@goldfries I don't understand. Why did you ask, "just wondering if it's worth me spending a good load of money just for a new board," ?
@@squatch545 yeah forgot the description I used in a 10 day old comment.
What I meant that time, was only for the motherboard. An ITX B660 board with DDR5 from Asus costs quite a bit as a board itself.
But my response to you just now was because you mentioned (to what I understand) as an overall platform.
Pardon me for any confusion. Really appreciate your comment.
Any idea on how the 3d v cache cpu (like the 7800x3d) perform in production benchmark ( photoshop, resolve ... not 3d) ? Can those programs benefit from the cache like games ?
I have 5800x3d and sadly no difference
I love your videos, it was very helpful this year as I had a new system put together and went with the 13700K and 64gb Ram and a RTX 4070 and the system is ridiculously fast and doesn't miss a beat whatever is thrown at it. I decided to spend a bit more and added a second screen and it;s amazing how much time I save now in my editing.
Same, has 13700K and 7800XT. 😊
Oh im Building thinking to Go for 17 14th Gen But confused about GPU@@blaze26700
I am plaining to get an i7 13700k and 7800xt should go for it or instead consider a rtx 4070?@@blaze26700
@@blaze26700and how much did you pay for your 7800xt?
Are you having air cooling or AIO? And what monitors are you using? 4K?
Thank you for this review, I personally went with Intel despite people saying to get AMD for performance. Not a single regret. Intel is fast enough for gaming and definitely faster for video editing!
I think you've handicapped the 7950x by lowering the ram timings.
*speed not timings. Timings were the same :)
It comes out of the factory handicapped :)
Can you test next After Effects, Fusion, Autodesk Maya/Max with intel vs AMD cpus
Please do test with real world footage(4k,6k,long gop, A intra etc) , and compare that with benchmark scores
According to my studio editors
Intel really is made for that... They have zero issues
As for me as a 3D Artist there's literally none 😭
What do you mean? :)
@@theTechNotice in my workplace the editors who work in Adobe line of products or Da Vinci prefer Intel CPUs
And as for us 3D artists We can't say , even Xeon is falling short😅
Please run them on ram speeds that works best for them. Most people probably won't run their 6400 kit at 5200. Could also show the difficulties running it at higher speeds if there are any.
Wait for the 14900k review :)
Coincidentally I was already saving up and planning a January upgrade - a new rig to sit alongside this one. Could not have timed this video, and also this comment any better :) I will definitely be looking to run my memory at the fastest stable speed.
For the first time in a decade I probably gonna go with blue team.@@theTechNotice
I can't understand how you still haven't hit a million subscribers?
The numbers on YT are definitely not based upon overall quality.
If they were, you would never have left the top three most visited channels. Mystifying algorithm.
It’s not even a debate anymore as Intel’s 13th and 14th gen cpu’s are terribly flawed
nothing flawed about 12th...
It's 13th and 14th gen that are crashing, not 12th
@@stefansarajlic6023 Yes……..typo dude.
@@stefansarajlic6023 yes, we know that
@@stefansarajlic6023 I actually had no idea so thanks for the clarification! New to all this
P-core and E-core are Intel terms just like hyper-threading. AMD only has cores and SMT. I understand your reasons for your RAM speed selection but doesn't really make sense as the comparison is biased. To be consistent you should have disabled boosting on both CPUs as there specified rated TDP are going to be out of spec otherwise. As far the memory controllers being weaker or better, that could be true but not necessarily accurate and AMD's chiplet design and infinity fabric wouldn't necessarily perform any better if it's IMC was "stronger" or "better". AMD released a new AGESA that improved DDR5 speed on AM5 to DDR5-8000 MT/s, does change the chips engineering but doesn't it make the previously weak IMC "stronger". If you used had locked the base frequencies for both then the extra power requirements for Intel wouldn't have been an issue.
I thought about that, but not sure if you've looked into 4 stick EXPO on Ryzen 7000 or higher capacity RAM (64GB+) EXPO stability?
As creators we need more than just 32GB and at higher capacities Intel does do a better just at the moment, which should be reflected in the benchmarks. If I used 6000mts 32GB on both platforms, I'd actually bottleneck the benchmarks by the RAM capacity which would skew the results even more.
The reason I'm leaving the power limits open is not because I've opened them, it's because most* motherboards have set the MCE or equivalent ON by default (whether this should be on is another conversation) and I believe most people will use the motherboard like that. Hope this clarifies this abit.
@@theTechNotice AM5 does have limitations on 4 sticks, so most people needing 64 GB will use 2 32 GB sticks. And most users will enable XMP/EXPO. I would even go so far as saying they would put some effort in basic memory tuning. I don't expect you to do that when benchmarking. Since you use primarily Intel terminology I assume you are more comfortable in that environment. But if you are going to allow any amount of power on an Intel platform you should at least use the optimum 6000 MT/s with 2 x 32 GB for the AMD system. They are both sanctioned overclocking. I'm of the mind it's wilful bias because no one would do what you are doing and then claiming that one system is better than the other.
Thanks for the video. It would have been great if you could have thrown in the details for power consumption and heat management for those CPU's and show the stats. Thanks like your content.
I've actually done that in a different video if you'd like to check that out. Search for power consumption AMD vs Intel :)
Alright thanks for letting me know will check it out, keep up the great work.@@theTechNotice
Great timing, I am now planning to upgrade next year after a devastating crash that corrupt my project file that made me redo all my work
Might go for intel, much cheaper because of ddr4, gives more time to save for ddr5
Do Photoshop Next
I don't know why but I wanted the AMDs to do better. Either way by the time I finally get to upgrade, you'll have a video for the 14900 vs 8950 video out.
Whatever I end up choosing then, will get de-lidded and a custom loop to cool it. 20 degree Celsius drop in temps under load on the 7950 de-lidded.
Because AMD is the reason Intel has to make better chips. If it were not for AMD, intel would be selling it's Raptor Lake chips for twice the price they are now.
@@humansvd3269 mmm aside from that. Best analogy I can think of is cheering for your home team.
With the road map of when I can actually upgrade I will probably still go with the 8950X. I wanna say 'to support the underdog' but overall AMD is killing Intel in the high priced server market and AI sectors.
I should also mention that anything current or upcoming is going to feel like heaven coming from my aging 7820X on the X299 platform.
A low budget comparison would’ve been more practical for most users.
5600G
12600K
12400K
12100
This price range is relevant I think for most people.
⚠️ How well these systems run adobe premiere pro and adobe after effects at the same time using complex projects, transferring media one from another ? Did you made this test ? Does anybody knows ? I intend to do an upgrade on my machine to another editing one, but I'm still deciding about amd Ryzen 7950x and Intel 13900k for both intense adobe premiere pro and after effects. Thanks. 🎉🎉❤
Is the intel i7 12 or 13 or 14 th gen cpu best for 3d rendering. If yes, which one should i pick?
your videos are both very helpful and fun to watch! I've learned so much about hardware and editing from you
Awesome, thank you!
Did i miss power consumption in test somewhere?
Could you test the new a580 by Intel and compare it to the older a380?
why dony you under clock the RAM for intel at 5200 Mhz to match both ...400mhz is big difference to change the benchmark results...set both to euals frequency and check again
Another great video. Man, these must be a lot of work! I have a high end PC with the 13900K and a 4090. It does very well in Resolve. Especially when adding Noise Reduction or certain effects. However, when it comes to smooth Timeline performance and overall fluidity in editing, I gravitate to my M1 Ultra Studio. It just slices through all footage better. It’s a better editing experience. Especially with 10 bit 4.2.2. Footage. The Intel does do a good job with that footage, but the M1 is simply faster and smoother with it.
I've got to revisit the Mac Studios!
What monitor are you using for the M1 Ultra?
I use a 5k by 2k LG monitor. For both. I switch between Thunderbolt and Display Port. I know that the M2 Ultra Studio literally runs strong noise reduction effects in 4k and can do about 30fps while editing. Pretty impressive. @@theTechNotice
The reason I asked about the monitors is because of Apple scaling 'issues'. Not sure if you saw my M1 Ultra long term review? :)
You've done right and went with the 5k resolution monitor. If I wanted to switch to mac studio, I'd have to replace my monitors... which really annoys me!
Hello, how well it runs adobe premiere and adobe after effects at the same time ?
Enjoyed! I have the ProArt motherboard for my 7950X CPU and a mid-tear video card. I am a DR user. I will wait for the next gen to upgrade my video card. The 10G connection to my NAS is a crucial feature.
Agree!
Hate to resurrect this video, but is there a GPU video for Premiere Pro & DaVinci Resolve? I'm debating the 7900xt and 4070 ti super.
4070ti super. its a no brainer.
It would have been perhaps better to test with 4 sticks and the speeds where that is stable at. A highend system would often like to have more memory.
Love it, best timing for this video.
Not seen you in a while!
Every month or so you re-engage my interest with one of these things :) Great work again.
Welcome back! What are some of your favourite topics/videos on the channel? :)
Well since I am using movie Maker HD and my old Zen2 rig, basic creator kit - I always come back here before I buy something.
January is the planned upgrade time, so really anything that's going to help me make a better decision is a must-watch at the moment.
I had a far more humble start than you did, but my ambitions are probably just as wide - but I have a far stricter budget lol. I think it's unlikely I will spend more than £2k on the entire setup, monitor and computer.
That means unless I am getting a great deal on a GPU, it will be whichever one gives me the editing grunt that I will need at the lowest reasonable price. It's the least likely part to get an upgrade in future!
But aside from those things which you already do quite often, certainly as often as I require - additional things you could do that I would like :
- Spy and virus guards which are good with the least performance hit (I never get to disable mine not even for a day).
- Best ways or methods to have a main rig for editing and recording, and maybe 3 or 4 other HDMI devices along with a big screen and 3 smaller ones.
What is the optimal way to organise and run all that stuff together? I have a terrible time with that. I have so many extra cables and box switches and stuff, and it's still not ideal or even near to! it is functional lol.
I bet you could do a far far better job, in fact if you did a long video that 100% solved this problem I would go and spend £30-40 in your store or Patreon just for that one thing!
Only since it is you doing it though, don't farm it out to somebody else lol I was stung by that once with LTT. Or should I say ETT.@@theTechNotice
What would be the best gpu/cpu combo for Ableton and Davinci for a 1k pc?
Great video! Glad you labeled it specifically for video editing. If I’m not mistaken, that mobo has a noise canceling feature. It would be interesting to see a video comparing its noise canceling vs nvidia or AMDs.
They all suck and should not be used in anything production worthy. I have tried the amd and nvidia ones and they are both quite aggressive 😅
@@JoseMariArceta ya, but which one sucks the least and why?
@@_B.C_ I tried the first driver amd shipped with the noise cancelation feature and it works but leaves a light hissing sound, not sure if this was patched up. The nvidia one works fine. The asus software is probably similar to another cpu based noise isolation software called Krisp voice (the same stuff embedded in discord for noise isolation).
Test lower end Video Editors in the $100 to $200 range. Most of us just need basic or mid level editing.
That would be Resolve
Any chance we can see real-world identical tasks comparison as oppose to the benchmarks? Or would that not provide any additional relevant results?
I'd recommend looking into Pugetbench and how they test the hardware, because that's as close as you can get to 'real-world' identical tasks without adding user error into the equation.
was looking at buying an intel i7 12700kf, I'm assuming it falls in-between the i7 13700k and Ryzen 9 7950x ? maybe a little lower than the Ryzen ? was just curious with your opinion on it. looking to use it for premiere pro
Dont get f models for video editing on intel. F removes i gpu which is the reason you go with intel to begin with
I just wanna say thank you for covering the Creators needs when it comes to hardware benchmark !!!!! , If there is a possibility compare the last gen Ryzen Cpus plss.
There is one out there. Search, "Tech Notice 12th gen vs ryzen 5000" :)
uhhh didn't see it :"""""") thanksssss!!@@theTechNotice
thanks! if I can't afford any dedicate GPU, should I go for Intel or AMD, I guess Intel due to the better codec support right? But the AMD 780U actually has better Gaming performance, do you have any test on that? Coz there are more people starting to use handheld PC / Ultraportable Laptop for video editing in dock mode. I wonder how amd 7840U + 780m iGPU vs Intel 13900H + Iris Graphics
Why didn't you talk about the quicksync in Davinci Resolve? When you compared AMD and Intel with Davinci 2 years ago, you talked about the quicksync a lot and you recommended the Intel for Davinci resolve. What is the difference now?
Did you not know that AMD get the same amout of frequnecy as intel? 8000MT+ on 48GB? Also hardcore overclokers say AMD controller is more stable at higher MT
I like your tests and reviews. But i think here there is an error. 11:29 it shows "Extended overall 741 for Ryzen 9 7900x" at 11:40 same value but for Ryzen 9 7950x!
Some other errors with Long GOP for Premiere . For instance, compare 11:25 with 15:00.
What about a video on dual 4090 builds for Redshift/Octane?
What Mobos and Cases can fit it? What are the temperatures of the upper card when they run almost glued together? Caveats of PCI speeds and lanes.
And most important (for me): Is it possible to have two suprim liquid x 4090s on a Fractal North build?
I kinda wonder how a 13500 would perform. I bet it'd do really well relative to its price - it's still a 14-core i5, albeit with that 6/8 split.
same me: I've been following that CPU for a couple of months now. Everyone saying it's great for editing/rendering but I didn't find good comparisons with these CPUs
i have a 4070 r7 7800x3d 32gb ram, i stepped away from gaming and do photo editing. what you recommend to upgrade for better rendering. use usual adobe programs, davinci as well
and now all the intels are frying out.
Which ones ?
@@lujaygoneshootsum9539 13th and 14th gen. if you have one I would look at what to do and there's something about setting the voltage lower.
@@chillywilson "all " of them huh? nice misinformation there. its mostly the i9s since they are pushed to the max and the voltage jump was too high...
@@mitchmurray2260 YUP all of them.. No such thing as hyperbole here. Your ism is showing again
Weeeeeeeeeeeee
Great video! It helped me go from AMD ryzen to Intel for my next build for editing.
Can I use the integrated graphics of the i7 14700k or ryzen 7900x to edit videos in full HD?
Srry, Hello
14700k yes.
Thanks for this detailed comparison!
Taking into consideration different such as upgradability and cost temperatures etc in exchange for just 10% more overall performance ill still rock my Ryzen all day :D
intel is on sale right now, I was thinking of picking up the 13700k, but I think I am going to wait a little bit longer since raptor lake refresh is 3 days away.
The big jump for Intel will be arrow lake with the 15900k. I have the feeling this processor will be a beast with 40 cores and probably 4/5 nm chip. For Intel it will be a big jump. On the 14th only the 14700k seems good with more e-cores. For Amd i would pass on the first gen am5 zen 4 and wait zen 5 or zen 6
Can this comparison be applied to laptops with the same results? How do these perform with after effects , photoshop, illustrator & 3D applications? As a general rule, can a gaming setup give the same results for video & graphic design or do the parameters change?
Why are you don't do export video time
To know who faster..
Hello there. For some time i had an r7 5700X in my system for video editing. I work mainly with content for social media, usually shoot on IPhone. I just buy a laptop as backup system and to be able to edit when im not at home, it has an r5 8645hs, which includes and IGPU, alongside an rtx 4050. I literally buy the cheapest option i found, cost it mean to be a complimentary system.
But it turns out that editing on it feels way smoother than in my main pc. I edit in premiere pro, btw.
I know igups helps to smooth the work in the timeline, but I thought only the intel ones have that effect. My questions are: is that so? The AMD igpus help to decode video in premiere as well? Or is just the technology had advanced that much and that r5 laptop chip is just better than my r7 desktop from some years ago?
Furthermore, i was thinking on upgrading my desktop, for an intel chip which includes an igpu, but with all the problems the 13 and 14 gen had, im not so sure now.
If the igpus from AMD work the same as Intels, I should consider the possibility of choosing an r7 8700G, Instead of a 7000 chip?
I someone knows or have some knowledge to share, I’ll be really helpful.
What CPU should i get for Streaming and Gaming at the Same Time? I can't decide between i9-14900k or 7950x3d
still gonna pick Ryzen for cooling stabilities
would you please try something like 7840hs vs 13700h， both iGPU only.
What’s the Best Value “Bang-4-Buck” Intel Build ?….( Motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU )
I wish timeline playback was considered in these tests. Getting 20% quicker exports really doesn't mean much to me in the real world, but ability to decode H.265 in real time is vital to being able to edit.
Did you ever do the non-X series of CPU comparison?
Yeah this would be very interesting. I have the most entry level Ryzen 9, the 7900, and it'd be super interesting to see more of the ryzen 7000 non-x CPU benchmarks.
if you ran PBO on the non 'x' Benchmarks, it would become an 'x' variant basically :)
Super helpful video!
Intel all the way for overall results. I hate when salesperson in our local stores were locked on with AMD suggestions. When I ask them if they can help me with building pc, they would tell me go for AMD for video editing. And I know they only say it because it's a trend but actually they don't know anything about video editingng. They're just selling and suggesting according to what they hear.
warranty spec????
i would like to buy intel 13900k but with my ddr4 ram but i dont know which motherboard will work , will you please tell me a good one ddr4 ?
This was very helpful. It seems nearly impossible for me to find information from a creators first perspective instead of gaming benchmarks. I don't even play fortnight. More like this please.
Bro AMD is the future 😉
11:06 is the thing you are looking for.10 bit 422 h265
the benefit of 6000cl30 for ryzen is bigger than the benefit of 7200mhz on intel....
helped a lot, thanks
Iam aware intel 14th gen is around the corner but im not aware of any upcoming amd CPU release. Do you know anything about ryzen 8000?
Please make a video on capcut. There is no video in youtube showing which CPU/ GPU is best for capcut.
One thing I'm wondering about when comparing Intel to AMD is how much cooling do you need? Apparently ryzen 7000 series are designed to run hot and I don't know if this is just AMD making excuses or whether the CPU actually performs better at 95C compared to running a custom loop capable of lowering the temperature.
Can a 360 aio cool a 13900k so it won't throttle for video editing? I know sometimes the tests used to test these CPUs push them beyond what regular workload will ever ask of the CPU.
Is the cooling required the same between the 7950x and 13900k?
Sorry if you have already covered these questions in a previous video. I'm still pretty new to your content.
Why didn't you include the Ryzen 9 7950x3d or the 14th gen intel CPU's?
Depends on which program you're using. Clipchamp? Hang it up. Either processor will do great with adequate ram and a decent gpu (whatever the gpu has to do with it) unless either of these are APUs. I dunno. Cant afford that type of thing wot with all the inflation going on in my head. How fast is editing on a pentium or athlon using Windows Movie Maker?
Yesterday I ordered Ryzen 9 7900x over Ryzen 5 7600x. It means I wasted my money ?
Is a I5 12600kf for 150€ or a 12600k worth it for Davinci and Ableton?
just use media encoder and render / prep all your assets prior to editing. It will make everything feel alot faster and efficiently.
@theTechNotice can you do a video for budget photo editing pc whc mostly works withe Adobe Lightroom CC and Adobe Photoshop as well.... Thanks In Advance
HI I have a graphics card rx 6600 xt 8GB and ryzen 5 2600 3.60Ghz, but I have a problem with edtting 4K videos, can you give me some tip, wich some budget CPU I would buy +I have 32GB ram
*Please test also for Photoshop. Which is the better CPU and memory amount!*
What about Intel now? Should this video have an update?
Just bought a pc from an m1 pro MacBook and i think im definitely going back to mac where stuff just works!
It’s not like im a developer i just want a snappy machine period!
I have a Intel i7 14700 CPU and am returning my gigabyte Auro Z790 as RAM slot faulty. I'm wondering if I should wait till computex or get a Proart board. I heard a Rumer new lg1700 boards being released although I'm doubtful .Hmm So should I wait just in case. If Arrow lake were to be released sooner than Q4 id wait but don't think that'll be the case. Any thoughts..
Please make something for after effects and blender/ 3D softwares. Which cpu will be better ?
have a look at my 'i tested all the cpus for creators' video :)
I wana selct between a laptop ryzen 7640hs or 7840hs for gaming and some 3d animation tasks with unity will I loose a lot of performance with the ryzen 7640hs over 7840
warranty of factory spec? This guy is clueless. AMDs website shows you which ram kits to buy to get speeds up to 6000. There is no fine print saying you will void your warranty. Not that I care what he does. But I think that qualifies as AMD approved. Pretty sure he knows that also.
have you tested this for yourself? i have and running 4 sticks of 6000MHz on AM5 is a horror show. At 5600MHz no issues.
Yeah the whole "warranty" statement left a weird taste in my mouth, I don't buy it.
I think he worded that a bit poorly but his intention was to state the default memory controller frequency. Expo doesn’t void warranty and in fact AMD was paying for shipping broken CPUs from that SOC voltage fiasco a few months back. Tldr: he probably didn’t mean warranty
I highly recommend checking out AMD's EXPO page here: www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo
Click on the little arrow on this page and footnotes, which is very interesting. Now at the same time even though they shouldn't officially warranty the OC-d CPU I've heard multiple stories how AMD has replaced the CPUs even when they've been OC-d. This could vary by region and they 'don't have to legally', but it's just an important point to consider...
Also, this conversation with JJ might also shed light on this topic: ua-cam.com/video/wzVZgTP2204/v-deo.htmlsi=pvUyBWl9qGIrmToJ
Whait for 15th gen or buy 14th gen intel for video editing?
does the AMD has new decoding for the 8k 10bit 422? I was considering get intel because of the quick sync. My current amd Can't run davinci 8k 10bit 422 , I get like 5 fps while 420 I can get around 20ish
Intel 13 gen has improved a lot and thanks to Microsoft and Intel always working together 😊
improved a lot and still 10nm 😂😂😂😂
Can you make a video about the AI on the Lightroom , i have a Ryzen 5700G and its takes some time until it detects or make some changes. it is CPU or GPU accelerated ? I dont have a GPU, i run only iGPU
as a person who doesn't care about Puget tests and prefer more personal use experience can you please do more of that kind of review or add it to all these tests
I was actually expecting the power usage, but thanks for this info. Please do this again when 14th gen comes out. Thanks mate
you Might wanna check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/JHWxAdKK4Xg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TechNotice
@@theTechNoticeim also waiting for your intel 14th gen reviews, especially of the 14700K
@@theTechNotice yah i have seen this video before. And for the past 5 months I had also seen a lot of videos how the amd high power usage during idle can be fixed. Please include power usage again for your 14th gen review.
where is the smooth playback comparison on igpu?
hope to see it soon =)
Hi buddy, why dont you open Premiere pro and show the actual performance? Otherwise its literally just numbers
Can compare to Apple M chip and Topaz Video performance. Thank you
So nice this work you are purchasing.
Each Time I am so grateful.
So much Thx for your work!
And your style.
Glad you enjoy it!
How about one for both Video Editing & Gaming
ah k..tks Do you know anything about the new Arrow lake CPUs onboard igpu,s