Limited Run Games has Lost Their Way
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Limited Run Games specializes in publishing physical titles with all of the DLC included to ensure that you can play your game well after the system is no longer supported. They have branded their reputation on this so far as to put "Forever Physical" down as their slogan.
Long time game collectors and preservationists have looked to Limited Run to keep the digital age from permanently warping the gaming landscape forever. When you buy digital you don't own your games. When you buy physical, especially from Limited Run you own it forever.
But Limited Run is starting to crack and has offered a handful of games that are either missing DLC because it came out after the game was produced or games require a constant internet connection to unlock content that's already on the disc.
This comes at a time when Ubisoft is set to remove games that you've paid for already like Assassin's Creed Liberation which is being removed from the Steam store and won't be playable even if you already bought the game.
With the announcement that Doom Eternal will not be complete on the cart, it's now apparent that Limited Run is just like every other modern publishing company.
The worst part is that Limited Run Games does not communicate these issues at Point of Sale and they try their hardest not to let anyone know after the product is delivered.
In this video I showcase three times that Limited Run Games has failed to live up to their Forever Physical Ethos and never bothered to let me know directly.
Limited Run Games Fired one of their Community Managers over controversial tweets.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
01:01 My History With Limited Run
02:00 My issues with Limited Run
03:46 The Real Issue with Limited Run
04:16 Streets of Rage 4
05:56 Doom Classic Collection
09:19 Scott Pilgrim vs The World Complete Edition
10:44 Limited Run Website Woes
14:10 TMNT Shredder's Revenge
14:41 Shredder's Revenge Pizza Hut Coupon
15:40 Where Limited Run Wants to go.
16:13 Request for Population Reports
16:43 WATA Grading Limited Run Games?
17:43 Final Wrap Up/Rant - Ігри
I really would like to see Limited Run disclose these issues prior to purchasing in the future. It's really unacceptable to find out that a game doesn't match the description until long after you bought it. If you like this video and want to hear more essay type videos, let me know!
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Great take, thanks for making me aware of this.
....sadly, these companies salivate for the time when ALL data will be out of players possession once "Gaming on Demand" become widely adopted.
Scott Pilgrim was my first and last LRG purchase. Lots of cute goodies, but there are unpatched bugs in the game itself.
@@jsan2548 Kinda like the old days.
GOG's No DRM releases are far more useful for preservation than limited edition expensive boxed editions.
That's honestly because it's DRMs that is the evil, but the digital copies themselves, and digital music on stores like iTunes has been proving that for years, as has digital games on DRM-free launchers.
and piratebay
The reality is, digital is actually the best way to preserve the future. Unless every server, hard drive, SD card in the world gets wiped, we have all of these modern games backed up.
@@leeartlee915 cracked patched or hacked digital, not the licensed DRM ones
@@qwerty6789x Of course. What DRM games is anyone getting from “alternative” means.
My issue with LRG is simply them creating a false demand by making limited runs. If we want game preservation we can't have anything 'limited'. Corporations bemoan piracy yet do so little to offer affordable of viable alternatives.
All of their releases the past 2 years or so and onwards are unlimited preorders. You have ~3 months to decide if you want to buy the game or not. Most of the games they sell don’t have the demand to hit store shelves so the only way to get them is through a limited run, which is the entire point.
So go buy the digital version then if you are worried about this "false demand". Everybody that wants one gets one.
I mean you seem to think you can do a better job than LRG. Why not put your money where your mouth is? Make a company that can release niche games with wide physical releases and see how that works out.
Also physical game being widely available in the past didn't stop piracy so not sure why that would change now.
LRG is by no means perfect but they are at least trying to fulfill a niche demand and even then they get shot on it. Things will be much worse without them.
They are limited run because it would be financially a bad move to produce more copies than they can sell. This is why major publishers dont want to sell physical media anymore and are embracing digital distro. As another has said, they haven't had limited pre-orders in a long time and ive always had plenty of time to order what ive wanted.
It would be an issue if the company was called Unlimited Run Games. There's a reason they named it Limited Run Games.
I find the whole ethos of LRG to be pretentious and self-aggrandizing bs. People act like they are, personally, saving video games. Nope. They are making dork shrines in their basements. The real hero’s of video game preservation are the folks that are ripping games and throwing that shit online.
I guess they lived long enough to become the villain.
"Limited run was formed to..."
No.
They wanted to create false scarcity to make a market for *their* games that were not selling.
Yep, they only created scalpers, and nothing else
It's a fairly typical story: a upstart company decides to challenge the big corporations by offering a more ethical customer-focused approach, achieves great success, then gets greedy and starts to use some of the very same tactics that drove people away from their larger competitors and into their arms in the first place - figuring that the customers will stick around since they're still better than the alternative and out of brand loyalty. Resist the temptation to keep buying from them in the hopes that things will get better because they have no reason to make things better if you keep buying from them.
There was never an ethical approach to LRG if you know their history and tactics.
aka sellout
Limited Scam Games was never Ethical
Basically you're saying don't support the company that is trying to do good things even if imperfect. Okay then.
@@gmr2gnr People complain about the existing choices but never actually suggest an alternative solution.
My main issue is how Scalpers are always buying tons of LRG stock and selling it at high prices. It wouldn't be an issue if the sellers were just listing 1 or 2 LRG games each, but I've seen 10 - 50 in stock for games like Shantae and River City Girls Zero.
I tried asking LGR to do something about this, even suggesting limiting the number of copies a single person can buy. And the only thing they told me was "That idea wouldn't work.".
I think they personally bankroll the scalpers by giving them a shitload of extra product to sell
@@theevilzane i cant find the video ATM, but i saw one which showed that some of the "scalpers" were partners of LRG, so they got early access to a portion of the stock at a discounted rate
LRG lost their way years ago. It wasnt about getting physical games in hands, it was about even making the shittiest games have value due to scarcity.
While they do put out physicals of shitty games they have done stuff like bug fables, unsighted, furi, etc. so I wouldn’t say they’re all bad
exploiting FOMO was a genius idea IMO.
The whole entire modern industry is an embarrassment. The major platform holders all hawk anti-consumer policies and products. And LRG, at this point, are a common garden variety publisher who aim their stuff squarely at collectors. Actual videogame preservation involves software piracy and jailbreaking hardware. All the criticisms against LRG in this video are legit but they as a company don't disgust me anywhere near as much as the much more powerful players in the game.
of course - I've really cut back on modern games in general, but it's so frustrating that Limited Run would hide this kind of stuff instead of being transparent about it. I would wager that a lot of people would still buy it regardless.
A consumer just consumes blindly, they have no rights. A customer does
The Gaming industry needs a Great Reset. And no, I'm not talking about the World Economic Forum's Agenda 2030.
LRG isn't perfect but they deserve a lot of credit for what they do. No point trying to do niche things then if the gamers are gonna shit on you regardless.
@@FloridaEbikes Honestly I've always felt like even if Sega won against Nintendo things would be similar to how they are now, just with the roles reversed
There's a new sneaky thing that I've noticed Limited Run doing, likely to drum up sales on their bigger releases. In the past, anything Limited Run has distributed has always been released on Tuesday, whereas Fridays were reserved for games that were part of the LRG numbered set. In the case of both the recent TMNT and Tetris releases, both were distribution titles, but both were released on Friday. Also, on both games, Limited Run completely omitted the disclaimer that goes on every distribution release: "This is not a numbered release, and thus is not a part of the Limited Run Games Collection. We are distributing this title on behalf of ________. Missing out on this release will not compromise a complete Limited Run set." Plus, the image for the PS4 copy of Tetris has the LRG numbering on the spine, even though it won't actually have a number when people get it. This all may seem like a minor thing, but there are people who only collect the numbered set, and they're inevitably going to get tricked into thinking these two games are a part of it.
LRG has recently added that statement to the TMNT release and I only know that cause I ordered the collector's edition like a dumbass from them before finding out all this information. Smh I just wanted to support physical releases but now after finding out I may not receive my copy until next year (MAYBE), it really turned me off to LRG.
@@TheEmbessyNetwork You're correct. I looked on the WayBack Machine, and as late as July 12th, the disclaimer still wasn't there. I'm wondering if they just did it when the preorder window closed over the weekend.
Tetris preorders close in 4 days, and the disclaimer still isn't posted. It will be interesting to see if they're retroactively changing them.
@@MrNicholas7 it's now September and i STILL have no copy of Shredder's Revenge. I had to resort to buying the digital version just to play it before having it spoiled by the internet.
This video aged like fine wine
LRG is absolutely dogwater. All it takes is a single person who can get more high profile titles as them, or the same titles they have, and they would lose 100% of their customer base.
I just view them currently as a "necessary supervillian"
Except that there are several companies who do the same work they do that still haven't toppled them or gained their customers.
Hot take: LRG has always been greedily looking out for themselves. “Game préservation” has always just been marketing for them.
its not even preservation, most of the games they publish dont even come with all the dlcs and patches lol, its literally just another market, no preservation at all
is LRG a non-profit? The whole point of any company is to make money. Clearly they're making money since this youtuber spent $4k with them - it goes to show they know their market, they know how to create FOMO and they know how to make money with their product.
I've spoken out against this company for 5 years now.
I've been indifferent. Never really had anything to add to the conversation. But this was something that I didn't see being talked about on UA-cam a lot.
I'm curious to know more about your gripes with LRG. I'm also not a fan of theirs.
Likewise. Throwing THQ Nordic under the bus for their own obnoxious politics was the last straw with those idiots. Glad everyone else is catching up at least.
@@elementalsoldier6324 I had several gripes: the low quality and overpricing of their collectors editions and months long delivery times (sometimes up to a year!) the fact they fired an employee just becaulse one complaint from a single SJW over her following sertain Twitter account that SJW did not like and they just fire her immediately.. their scam with metal Jesus rocks. The fact they pray on fear of missing out tactics to sell their inventory and do artificial scarcity to hype up their products. Also they sencored some games so the whole preserve games tag goes out the window, I have more gripes but those shoot out.
I had no
Idea about the Doom or Scott Pilgrim issues. I have both physical releasss from LRG and they NEVER SENT ME AN EMAIL. I don’t subscribe nor read their blog bits not my JOB. As someone who’s spent well over ten thousand dollars on games from these guys why did they don’t reach out to me? I LOATH games that require online connections. That’s why I pay lots more for physical games. I want to be able to play them 20 years from now. I haven’t even opened those two games yet. I’ve never had much luck with customer service whenever I’ve reached out them either. The last time I did, they helped me get a game I missed the deadline on but that was the first time they offered to help. I’ve never asked for anything unreasonable before and that was probably the biggest request as it was my fault. I’m grateful they fixed it and I have to say that I’ve had very few issues with them but still.....this is maddening. I knew I shouldn’t have bought anything from UbiSoft or Bethesda. They both SUCK and I play indy games to stay away from those big companies. Oh man. Thanks for making this video and even though it ruined my day, I appreciate it.
yeah I have managed to get every release I wanted at retail price. Even Night Trap that sold out in seconds. I missed out on Rabi Ribi but got waitlisted on it. Shame that they pulled this stuff. If they had been upfront about it, I probably wouldn't have made the video.
I knew about the Doom issue last year when the standard copies shipped, but I didn't find out about the replacement program until after it finished because... Like you said they didn't advertise it. Pretty frustrating. My switches have been online... So I assume it's not going to be an issue...but still would have liked the option to swap it out for a non-online cart.
I'm planning on buying blade runner (it's been refused classification in my country, so can't even buy it digitally on console here) but I hear there's some performance issues with that game right now... I know LRG has a bit of a lead time with their games so here's hoping night dive get a patched copy across to them before they finalise that one!!
all those "physical" companies has lost their way. LRG is just the biggest of them
I'm not sure about consoles but physical copies of PC games have long died out more than a decade ago. You can buy special physical copies of PC games like those from Limited Run and pretty much 5 out of 5 times it requires some online client like Valve Steam, EA Origin, Ubisoft Connect and whatnot with a unique CD-Key to activate and play.
EastAsiaSoft/PlayAsia is the best physical company in my opinion. They’re competent and not shady which is sweet.
@@lesterbronson2385 PlayAsia sent me a damaged collector's edition and when I asked for a replacement they replied basically "shit happens". I asked for a refund and return and they said it's not their policy. I literally had to open a Paypal dispute, that I won immediately, and send back to them the package.
It feels like limited run is one day going to take the money and run. I'm worried about my orders and once I get them, I'm done. It doesn't make any sense anymore.
As far as the bigger Switch cards: if they really are more expensive, USE THEM ANYWAY. I would not mind paying a higher price if it means the game will be completely playable without a sizeable download. Limited Run can afford to procure a small number of them to satiate preorder demand. Hell I would be in favor of them re-releasing a complete version of DOOM 2016 or Wolfenstein 2 or (not Bethesda but) Spyro Reignited Trilogy, which would only need a 16 GB card. It would be well worth it in the long run for LRG as a company, and their consumers who want to pay for them.
I'm with you on that
You had everything up to consumers... Consumers don't want a complete package. They want to be able to consume cheap poorly put together products so they can quickly move on to the next cheap poorly put together product...
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Limited print companies' CORE MARKET are the people who want a complete product. If there's going to be a gigantic download, what is the point?
@@grantmortensonva customers speak with their wallet and if the product isn't what you wanted. Don't buy it. They want consumers, not customers.
They already charge outrageous ridiculous prices anyways, and they think that is the final issue that will break them?
I have spent thousands with this company and have been a loyal customer for around five years. I have defended them many times when people have criticised the quality of products, waiting times, or customer service. Now I wonder why I bothered.
This is evil and indefensible.
I’m a big fan of Scott Pilgrim . The main reason I bought from LRG It’s because I wanted a physical copy and I wanted all the DLC. I own the game digitally on PS3 and I missed out on the DLC. I’m still so aggravated, It’s one of those Beat’em ups that really means something to me. I always felt kind of special that I recognized how good that game was before it was delisted and people started using it as a rallying cry for physical media. It makes me angry that they botched it. They were so scared someone else would publish it that they did a sh*tty job and have a monopoly on that game . I so did not want to buy anything from them, But I appreciated it at the time because I thought they were going to publish a complete game. Plus I bought the vinyl because I wanted to support Anamanaguchi who made a fantastic soundtrack. I wish I had just bought Anamanaguchi tickets with my money instead. I thought a game like Celeste was what they always did where they wait for all the DLC, and we knew the DLC was completed so there shouldn’t have been a problem. But hey at least limited run Doug has me blocked for making harmless jokes about how slow they are to get a product even though I’ve been waiting 500+ days for Scott Prilgrim . If Doug thinks I’m visibly toxic I think he should take a look in the mirror. And since Josh thinks Pizza Hut pizza is so disgusting, I probably should just buy turtles revenge of the shredder from signature edition games or play Asia Who are also selling the game. Also I give you huge props Nick for not bringing up that Revenge of the bird king game because everybody talks about that and at this point it’s filler. You really brought a lot of new things and points to the table with this video. Keep up the great work man!
Yeah that Revenge of Bird King controversy is a tired trope at this point. I can't believe people keep digging it up.
@@SuperNicktendo it's the internet. People always dig shit up when they're bored.
Limited Run is the exact idea that I had and wish I’d put whatever it took to get going into. It’s a great concept for a company, and I always saw it as a small business opportunity really for anyone with the start up money and proper research and connections built. There will always be people like myself wanting physical games...including the patches and extra stuff from after release makes it a surefire winner as an idea to back. I’ve been gaming since I was 6, over 40 years ago now. So I’m very old school with everything. I still buy dvd, CDs for my music, etc. Never owned a song digitally. Currently I own 98 PS5 physical games with 5 on the way, 4 from Play Asia who is a Godsend. But I know they don’t always come with patches included, obviously new day one games never do. At least many Japanese devs actually release completed games not requiring day one patches, or they’re ver small if needed.
I'm 26 and I'm pretty old school myself when it comes to games. I noticed this issue with gaming since the 7th Console generation (PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii eras). I never liked digital only releases and games having dlc with no plans of a complete edition of the game down the road, because eventually these services or support for these games will go down one day and in a hypothetical situation, these companies or devs could shut down at any moment. What would we be able to do in a situation like that where we are in this digital only gaming space, or when we still have games that have no hard releases? It's bad enough single player modes in games and local multiplayer in games are dying and are not being as prioritized as PVP and server based games, but making gaming digital only on top of that? I can't.
A company needs to exist that makes ONLY games that aren't fancy collectors edition, they're only released a few years or more after launch so they have all DLC and patches, and no games have DRM. This would be a highly respected game preservation company.
Let us know when they block your social media account and ban your email from shopping on their store. I've seen petty reports of them doing just that to anyone who dares criticize them for anything in the slightest.
I bet you probably said something really mean if you got blocked by them
@@Hauntaku I don't have social media but thanks for assuming.
I'm always think preservation are not solely in physical media (because it's still very susceptible to manipulation like in WATA case or Limited Run ) ,but combination of both. Or even better is what GOG did with DRM free digital copy that can be backup In any form you will and installing it again on a whim, no need login to store or need any internet connection.
I have said this over and over again. Physical has never been and will never be the solution to game preservation. The most effective preservers of video games are not your discs and game cards, it's digital pirates. They nailed the key factor that actually keep games playable on modern hardware: Mass digital redundancy with neutralized DRM. Digital redundancy solves the 2 final preservation roadblocks that physical media still bump into which is deterioration (disc rot, bit rot, scratches, etc...) and artificial scarcity.
The only final boss left of game preservation is live service games, which require mass global mobilization to lobby lawmakers to shorten copyright expiration periods so that the ability to reverse-engineer them comes sooner. White-box RE will never be enough. It has to be legal to look at the assembly of game executables and directly analyze them.
Also fuck Nintendo. Bottom of the barrel out of all the companies that are hostile to game preservation.
@@aquapendulum
The issue with Nintendo is accessibility and availability, not preservation. I'm 100% confident they painstakingly preserve every line of source code, asset and finished game they ever made, they just don't feel like making it easily available on your platform of choice in a complete form, and if, not for cheap.
Yup, I've only bought a single game from LRG and that was Scott Pilgrim. I got the mid range version and honestly, would have much preferred getting all the DLC unlocked on the disc than a bunch of the extras that came with the game.
This had been my first time buying from LRG and the experience didn't leave me interested in buying from them again.
My issue with LRG is having to wait 6+ month for the games I preordered. They just sent me an email a couple days ago that they are shipping me a game I preordered last November.
I'm finally getting my Scott Pilgrim copy along with $300 of stuff because I bundled it with the Scott Pilgrim vinyl that I ordered in January 2021
Agreed tired of waiting a year for a random game purchased
Let’s not forget it took them 22 months to deliver Turrican, when it was also released physically by another company just a month or so after release at a cheaper price
Solid as a rock sir, I couldn't agree more. It really is a disappointment that it had to come to this, and that the founders are so gun shy about maintaining that original vision. I got burned on all three of the examples you mentioned. :( I wasn't aware of the replacement offering on the Doom collection either, so that's swell. It really is unfortunate that they take criticism about any of this so poorly too. I've stopped springing for a lot of the games that they offer in favor of import and multi language releases now where I can. Thanks for all the great content you make, and for shining a light on what's been going on for everyone to see.
Yeah it's really put me off. Why even bother wasting money. I can put it towards something I want
I wasn‘t aware of the possibility to get a replacement card for the Doom collection. The decent way would have been to actively communicate that to all customers who purchased that game from LRG.
I liked this review. I like limited run but at the same time I agree with all points in the video. There needs to be some quality control and accountability. I maybe buy only one to three titles a year cause that’s what I can personally afford. but I really look forward to getting them physically. I’m okay with waiting an extended amount of time to ensure all dlc is out and available when ordering my copy. Some of us wait extended amounts of time anyways to get our games from them. I guess I’m like what’s another couple months. I mostly like the visual novel games they produce physically but I have picked up some platformers like gris in the past. I bought one of those initial streets of rage 4 games. I want to support companies that release games physically but they need to make sure they have the full package first. I’ll be a little more Leary in my future purchases now. Or “day 1” releases.
Yeah. They delayed Celeste to wait for the DLC and people had no issue with it. Why couldn't they just wait a bit for the other games to ensure all of it was in one package.
@@SuperNicktendo with "Celeste" they asked for feedback about what to do. Matt Makes Games announced the Farewell DLC after the preorder period closed. I remember they posted on Facebook something like "should we place the order now or wait until the Farewell chapter is complete?" Most people said wait, but some didn't care either way. I would think that with preservation being the goal, they should wait a few months just to be safe. I mean they ordered their copies of "Haven" before the latest content update dropped, which kinda sucks because now that game is incomplete.
My biggest complaint is just how long everything takes to finally be produced and shipped.
I'll consider myself lucky if I actually get to play TMNT in 2022.
Yeah they take way too long, especially considering how big they are now. They have way too many games up for sale and seem to bite off more than they can chew.
They only make the collector's editions which contain the normal retail version of the game. That is already out.
I remember something similar happened with the Celeste physical copy, the game got an update and DLC announced so LRG delayed the release of their physical copy in order to add those updates & DLC into their physical copy before shipping them.
Incredible video, thanks for putting this together. At this point, is there some sort of list showing what games they've handled have need patches,dlc, etc after the fact? Most of my copies remain sealed and it's pretty lame thinking about how some of these may not even be completed versions.
I've disliked limited run games for a while now so it's nice to finally see someone address all their issues like this. I liked super rare games until they went against the whole game preservation ethos aswell and decided to make exclusive games that were limited and only available physically. Thankfully they changed their minds after backlash but it still shows that they don't care about preservation at all, it's only money
Yeah I put out a video about that and people were like "who cares"
I don't think it's cool to put a limit on the purchasing window for a game you can't try until 6 months from now after you bought it.
It's unfortunate that the best form of game preservation seems to be piracy. The digital future is inevitable and I've long since accepted that (hell, my preferred platform is the PC and that's been all-digital for nearly two decades at this point), but there's definitely still a place for physical games in the same way that there is for vinyl records and Criterion Collection releases of classic films. It just has to be done right and out of a genuine love for the material being preserved.
Piracy is the best preservation across the board... Do you honestly expect corporation to ever care? Majority of gaming companies couldn't even be bothered to properly backup original code... And don't even get started with movies and books
My main issue with limited run games and other similar companies is that there isn't much in the way of exclusivity as most of the same titles can be gotten elsewhere and they'd have more reliable customer service and shipping.
Yes and no. While some of them are, a lot are only released physically by the,
I never buy from Limited Run, Rare or any company that just invites to resellers do their thing. Now with M.I.G card coming out no need for them.
O comon now bro. That might switch card or not. The authentic thing is allways going to hold value. AND IN A DAY WHERE SATAN IS TRYING TO FORCE FULL DIGITAL TO ADD TO HIS CONTROL AND POWER OVET HUMANITY. ALL PHYSICAL HOLDS HYSTERICAL VALUE.
AND THAT IS A PERMENAT FACT.
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Fun fact. The Scott pilgrim re release was delayed for a year + for certain versions. And there was 0 reason why
Blacbeard will never pull a game from his store.
Limited Run has really baffled me, they got a Shantae figure coming out and they're advertising the heck out of it and there's so many big problems
1- It's using a 3D render so, you're not even really sure what you're getting. I say this is huge problem because the render shows through the pants, so I contacted them asking them if the pants were actually solid or cloth. It took 5 emails to get "It's made of resin like the rest of the figure" and I'm like ....are you SURE because the render is not leading me to believe that.
2- All of their adverts for it are showing the figure with a bunch of Standees - that do not come with the figure, you can't even buy them if you wanted. Yes, they say on the side that it doesn't include them...But the only way they're advertising this all over the internet is with standees that you- seriously, cannot buy. They are limited to the PS5 discontinued collectors version and you can't get them in any other way. The other ones they show off to the side- ALSO are not the default option.
Every other figure seller 90% of the time will photograph the ACTUAL product and not use the render. I really want the figure, but dropping $135 on something that I have zero idea on if it'll actually look like the render or look good in anyway shape or form? Yikes.
I don't know what the heck they're thinking.
My only problem with Limited Run is how bad they are at meeting estimated ship times... only ever bought Radiant Silvergun, and it was supposedly delayed because a chiptune soundtrack for collector's edition wasn't ready... it wasn't originally even going to be in the game itself, it was just an audio CD... but they decided to add it to ALL versions on cart, including standard edition. Took over a year to get it, was freaking ridiculous.
I just want Knights of The Old Republic to be delivered so I can say goodbye to Limited Run.
I would love for them to make available distributed (not seralized) games long past their initial preorder window. What ever happened to the Physical for Katana Zero? I really love that game, and it was supposed to be a very early LimitedRun title, but never came to fruition. :/
This precisely. Making a limited run of the games may have made sense at the beginning, but they're no longer the underdog, they can now release the games again, they surely have the money. More people will find these games and will want to have them physically, but making some 3k copies of it will just make it impossible to find them in the future without having to pay a kidney.
You don't need physical games, you need DRM free digital games for preservation, whether you buy them or get them by other means. I have a PS2 and about 50 games, but my disc motor died, so I just run the as isos on the PS2 hard drive. I really can't think of a reason why you would NEED old games physical, especially with flashcarts and other software addons.
I'm still salty about missing that Mushihimesama, but I just want it for the shelf, not for any lofty goal of "preservation".
This. Physical games are just as unpreservable as digital+drm.
However. WIth the vast majority of people thinking they own intellectual property. DRM is a necessary protection. Its never going to go away because the gaming, movie, book, whatever, community cannot handle it.
I personally stopped ordering from them. I spent about $200 on the Castlevania set like 2 years ago and still nothing has arrived. Way too long to be out that money. And I tried canceling only to realize there's a no refund policy. Definitely had buyers remorse.
Yeah it's been 536 days since I dropped $300 for multiple items and they're finally being delivered today.
It's really pathetic that they have so many moving parts that they simply ignore valid complaints
Yeah, this also happened to my brother with his CV collection and still hasn't got it after several months. I also bought Valis Collection from them beginning of this year, but this is very likely my very last purchase from them. Its 7 months and there is no update on shipment for my order....The wait is not worth it all anymore for putting out so much money.
Excellent overview!
It echoes many of the same sentiments I have about them as a company and what they have become. I used to order quite a bit from them, especially the physical indie releases, but it seems like they have been quite underhanded with some of their releases recently and that ultimately goes against the company's original vision.
The Doom one is even worse if you take into account the fact that ID is releasing community wads as free DLC that requires a bethesda account to download
limited run games wasnt founded to preserve anything. you are wrong to assume that, the forever physical ethos is all marketing their production looks like a ponzi scheme where they; take money for a new product but use that money for an old project then rinse release until the bubble bursts. but your right i dont know how they produce anything.
When I saw that limited run was selling a Ubisoft game, I realized it's all over.
That address thing before it ships is nice, that would have been nice when I contacted them to change my address before the silent Bob release and they sent it to my old address and I've never seen it. Despite me contacting them directly before.
Great video! Not sure if this plays into anything but I’ve visited the retail store on its opening weekend and impressively everything was listed at retail prices. They had lots of “sold out” collectors editions such as Outer Wilds and Jak 2. I was surprised to see those available, maybe that was just for the first weekend to be impressive? Really loved the store though!
Yeah they have to sell their own products at their original retail prices. Also heard if you tried trading in one of LRG's games at the store, you wouldn't get much credit. Even if you brought in a copy of Shantae and the Pirate's Curse lol
I considered buying from them until I heard about the ideologues they employ and the terrible refund policy. Once you let the infection in it is almost impossible to survive, they need a real competitor to replace them.
And then how long will it be for that competitor to fall down the rabbit hole that LMG did?
@@TheShuuman That's the beauty of the free market, once that happens someone will come up to replace them by becoming a whole new alternative.
@@Richforce1 Wouldn't it be nice that a company be successful and remember its roots and not devolve then we have to hope and pray for a magical competitor that is more likely just going to co-exist rather than letting a fire under their ass.
@@TheShuuman Can happen, but the odds off forgetting those roots increase as the people who planted those roots move on or die off, like a line of a game I once loved but has now gone downhill said "No king rules forever".
@@TheShuuman It's just the natural order of things. Birth, growth, peak, decay, death. Everything is subject to this cycle, hence why nations rise and fall and people die of old age. People tend to have rather short term memories, and so after enough success it can become very easy to take that success for granted and start sacrificing the wrong things in order to keep going. This is something that is *very* prevalent in the modern age, and is why the video game industry as a whole is in such a sorry state, but that is only one example out of many. This is what that old phrase "becoming a victim of your own success" refers to.
I wanted the physical copy of Alex Kidd and I got stuck having to buy it with Lawbreakers even though I was logged in and had it in my cart when it launched. A few months later Alex Kidd got its own retail release. Lawbreakers servers are down and even the physical disc is useless as it was only an online game. That on top of them forgetting to send me my Night Trap shirt that I ordered caused me to lose interest in them. Haven’t ordered anything since. I don’t even want physical games any more when it comes to modern. They take up too much space.
I don't get how physical games take up that much space.. if that's a real argument then throw the fuckin cases away. How small a space do people live in?
LRG didn't release Alex Kidd
@@grantmortensonva my bad. It was Wonder Boy
They f*cked us on Shenmue III Complete Edition only selling the $150 collectors set and not just the game for $60.
I have taken issue with the fact that internally there’s no clear message between employees on what to tell people when they come asking for help in some cases.
The fiasco right now with the KO editions and the vinyl record of Scott Pilgrim has really soured me from ever purchasing from them again.
I have not gotten my copy and it’s Beene over a year and a half at this point. I get the delays in production of vinyl it’s not that I am ticked off about.
They prioritized bundles without telling us and they then admitted it. I don’t mind if the bundles were out first, but as a consumer I would have liked to have known this so I can gauge how long I’ll have to wait so I’m not continuing to ask.
Delays suck I get it and your video did help shed a lot of light on things.
I am a little bit late to the game but you mentioned on reddit that after making the video you found out that Josh knew about the online requirement and choose not to share it. Do you have any links i could check out? It seems he deleted the tweet as he always does...
can you be a bit more specific? It's been about 6 months since I did this video so I'm not 100% sure what you're asking.
@@SuperNicktendo huh I was sure I replied to this but can't see it. On Reddit there was a comment
""Good video.
The Scott Pilgrim situation is notably worse than it looks at first glance. Josh admitted they knew about the online connectivity requirements during the preorder window and actively chose not to advertise it correctly because "it would piss people off."
"""
Curious if you know of any screenshots etc of this
@@sinanpehlivanoglu ah OK. So that's most likely from the discord server. They talk internally and occasionally screenshots leak out. I only have access to what they mention on Twitter.
@@SuperNicktendo Understood thank you. Yeah LRG is unlikely to let me in their discord server. Been banned from everything after being pretty vocal about their shady practices. And honestly dont care enough to open a new discord account. Their sales are going down etc. they will reap what they sow. Thanks anyway!
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU SHOULD BUY MORE GAMES FROM GOG CAUSE THEY ARE DRM FREE
Great video! I'd also add that River City Girls is another game that is incomplete as they released the alternate ending update after the Limited Run release as well. Maybe not LRG's fault, but it's another game for the last, sadly.
They don't really take responsibility for anything. They want to be a passive publisher. There was a manual debacle a couple days ago and they just blamed developers for not providing one despite promising it on their site.
@@SuperNicktendo That's just disappointing. They really need to step it up but they seem to be getting worse. 🙁 They pulled almost the same thing, more or less, with the Panzer Dragoon Remake Manual for the Switch which was missing from the shipment. They finally did send it out but ONLY if you were paying attention and emailed them about it well after the fact. That is not a good look and they keep doing this...
I find it funny that limited run made a physical of TMNT shredders revenge then a couple weeks later a physical made by tribute went up for preorder in game stores
Well if you were up the founders butthole on Twitter you'd know that it was always going to be a global release. But if you buy outside the US, you don't get that sweet pizza coupon.
TMNT: Shredder's Revenge has a release date of August 31 on Best Buy's website right now. Meanwhile on LRG's site it says: "We expect to ship this product in late July or Early August."
Wonder if you order both, which will arrive first?
Just kind of a shame physical is being reduced to novelty status more and more.
@@FloridaEbikes Not to mention SoR4 now has a physical Anniversary Edition with the DLC.
I am fully willing to accept that LRG cannot get companies like Ubisoft or Bethesda to negotiate on some aspects of their games, especially what will and won't be locked behind an online signup or whatever, I have accepted that we are condemned to Ubisoft account linkage forever now and Bethesda was pushing their account stuff pretty hard with Doom eternal, all I ask is that the information is provided prominently on the games, preferably on the pre-order section of the site so people know what they're getting ahead of time. It just feels like false advertising through omission and implication.
You know what I would love for Nintendo to do with the next Switch to fix this problem? Make the cartridges with writable space where the patches are applied to the cartridges.
Because Nintendo would totally leave an in for the games to be easily dumped
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Actually. Thats how the N64 DD games were supposed to work.
@@itchyisvegeta and how did that work out?
@@TonyJenn The concept itself, we don't know because the console's add-on was never released outside of Japan, and even there in limited quantity.
I agree 100% from 5:58 until finish, it's really suck you still must connect internet after purchasing limited run games, we need more review about limited run games to know about it, and most especially if that game still needs to connect internet or not. About Streets of Rage 4, I still can accept it a little, because even Street Fighters series from 90s has a first edition, then a champion edition until super turbo & ultra version.
Anybody got any idea on how long there going to take shipping shadowman ??
I've started ordering my physical games from Play-Asia, when possible. Despite shipping from Hong Kong, the games arrive sooner for me. Also, the games I've ordered were packaged better.
As for some of the issues addressed in this video, I'm not sure if those same issues (DRM) plague the games on Play-Asia's site. I've never experienced it but I don't tend to buy games from AAA developers when using Play-Asia.
Plus cute weeb stickers in every box 📦
@@elsieoneill6181 so true! I’ve got a stockpile of duplicates so I’ve been giving them out. I’m the most popular kid in my neighborhood. 😂
Play Asia was good to me when I wanted to get my hands on Kingdom Hearts 2 FM long before the HD rereleases we're even a twinkle in Nomura's eyes, so it's nice to hear them still get good mentions today.
This video quality is great. What camera you using?
Thanks! I'm using an A7Siii
It is very frustrating to buy from limited run to get a game months after the fact that it's been digitally released and they don't include any of the updates on the game... Streets of rage 4 and River City girls each have almost a full gig of data I had to download. My copy is Celeste that got delayed so they can include the final DLC has almost half a gig of patch data... Funny enough the only Nintendo switch game I own that doesn't have a patch update or anything is Bayonetta 2.
They have the option to include NES games on USB as we found out randomly browsing through the website.
Honestly if there's a game that has an Asian release or a Japanese release with English as a language option, I would just import that instead of supporting Limited Run Games.
I ordered the collectors edition of the new shredders revenge and it’s still just sitting as pending shipment. I understand they probably receive components that make up the entire package and put it all together, but planning should be better in ordering everything ahead of release and so it’ll probably be the last thing I order from them.
Pre-Orders for that game end 7/24/22 and even then website does say it’ll take 8-9 months after that. So expect your game in your hands no earlier than March/April of 2023
did you get the castlevania collectors edition i got it a few days ago and the main selling point to it was worth it the shadow box is super cool
I got the middle version to match the Curse of the Moon collections. Im glad people finally got that version
@@SuperNicktendo Yea I waited a full year for it, which was an asshole thing to do it was making me think that this was a scam after 6 months of waiting. But everything that came with it was cool. Thank you for the info for this company I will never buy anything from them again.
It used to be fun trying to get a game before they sold out 5 seconds after release.
I love how the only thing Limited run games preserved, was scalpers lol
Great video. I haven't been buying much from them other than the Vita run. So, I haven't been following some of the more recent issues.
I remember my buddy went in their discord to ask about refunds for the shiren collector edition since they promised a physical game and not a code and an employee handwaved it and started talking about funko pops instead and everyone started circle jerking the employee lol
I do want to correct something on this video. The streets of rage 4 anniversary edition isn’t complete on cart. At least not revision 000 which I believe is the only revision out there.
There is a 964 MB update for it and it takes it from version 1.0.6 to version 1.0.7.
preciate the clarification
They are now screwing up the limited releases too. Senran Kagura 2 was still offline after the countdown for at least 30 minutes. People who were waiting patiently for the countdown to end were going ape shite on Twitter to radio silence on LRGs part.
I thought about getting that but didn't realize it was such a disaster.
I think the problem is that LRG has gotten to big that they just don't care anymore. I was a huge fan of LRG until the streets of rage 4, they weren't dumb they knew it was getting a worldwide release but they just worded their announcement and made sure they never responded to any info directly about it as to avoid any fault. Agreed their website is pretty bad now and they "offer" the option to buy extra shipping services when in the beginning they never did. I personally have really cut back on buying LRG, if anything more services with better care have come up & now I don't mind not giving them my money. Their customer service is pretty bad.
Still mad that somehow Scott Pilgrim doesn't have all the DLC available if you don't link a Ubisoft account to your game. It should have been all in there from the get go on the physical release.
Its the one game i went ahead and bought one of the limited editions because i always promised myself i would do if that game got a physical release.
Agreed, I stopped purchasing from limited run after they decided to close ys origins preorders an entire month (it was only open for about 4 weeks) early with barely any forewarning unless you follow them on twitter. Which really screwed me over since I was in the process of moving and didn't see the news until it was already closed. Great video, really glad someones speaking out about the company's flaws.
This was well said. I want to support them but I stopped buying from them for the same reasons + wait times on shipping. It sucks they are out of touch because they could be such a great company w/ little to no competition. Focusing more on add-ons and merch reminds me of Gamestop sadly.
I've bought two myself. A Ps Vita Undertale collection and Dusk on the Switch. I would've loved to have bought more but, the price has always caught me at a bad time. I forget how long its been but, I don't know if I'm ever going to get dusk or not. I remember it being announced around Halloween but, it feels like its been forever since I placed that order. I have no idea why it's been this long but, I just keep hoping I'll get it eventually.
*start the video* "oh c'mon, I bet he'll talk about stuff beyond their control"
*finish the video* "ok no, he's absolutely right"
I agree they shouldn't get away with it, but what can we do? At the very least I guess we'll have to double check and research before buying from them.
Great video with some real strong points. It's clear that you like LRG but aren't happy with how they have been moving these days. I also buy games from them because I like to own physical games that I can play whenever. I agree with pretty much everything you had to say, we buy physical games from places like LRG because they are suppose to be complete and DRM free. One thing I wish you talked about that bugs me is how some games go up for preorder and are gone in a minute or two, I missed out on Senran Kagura for the 3DS from LRG because of how fast it sold out.
All valid points and I really do find it sad the road they have gone down. They still call themselves a small business despite their growth in catalogue, employees, but also financially. I think they've gotten caught up in their success and haven't scaled effectively in their production and fulfillment. I have received far too many CEs that besides the objectional quality have arrived with manufacturing or assembly damage...not shipping damage, that's another bucket.
One last thing, I'm jealous of that Panasonic Q and Mac G4 Cube you have.
Saved the cube from a recycling center. I need to replace the hard drive and give more juice to the DVD drive but it's a really nice piece.
The Q needs a tray band replacement but it's a royal pain to dismantle.
Not sure I understand the comments regarding LRG only releasing complete games. You cant have a complete game with DLC and a day 1 launch
because that's what they did for years and built their entire reputation on it?
Their attitude has changed and it makes me sick
I haven't bought much from them as f late because I've slowly fallen from buying from everyone and everything. I did find out about the Doom collection and just shipped mine back to limited yesterday. Wonder how long it will take to get them back but I do still plan on buying specific things i will realy want.
How are they going to demand all the DLC on the disc (tmnt) when they probably haven't even made the DLC yet? And if you go by the devs, they said they have no plans to make dlc at all for TMNT
Why does it have to be a day one physical release when the digital copy has already been out for a month and we'll have to wait a couple months for the physical version?
Why not just wait a little longer for everything to be wrapped up?
Unless it's an mmorpg, eventually a game as small as Shredders revenge has an end of life plan.
What!?! I didn't even know the scott pilgrim thing.
Yeah -. - if they were up front about it, I wouldn't have an issue
They often take OVER a year to ship a collectors edition ! Plus they hold your shipment until ALL games are ready to ship in your order ! I’ve waited over a year and 2 months for my Castlevania ultimate collection and it’s also holding up games they’ve had in their warehouse for a year. Basically your waiting for a year plus on this collectors editions ! Absolutely not worth it !
Yeah my $300 bundle got held up by the Scott Pilgrim vinyl
what should also be mentioned is the pricing policy.
At the time they said that their games would not cost more than the download version.
That has changed drastically.
They also don't charge 10 dollars/euro more but often almost full price for a download title which costs 10 or 20 in the store.
The shipping costs have also increased significantly.
If it's so expensive to produce, why wasn't it to begin with? What has changed?
There was also no explanation for it. Have probably noticed that they simply raise the prices because the demand is so great and they can make more profit.
I think in regard to having all the stuff on the cartridge or disk, LRG are doing the best the can, but they keep getting stuffed over by the publishers. Like ubisoft making their ubistore mandatory for everything, or Dotemu releasing DLC 15 months later.
The only option they realistically have so we get EVERYTHING is waiting like 2 years After the games initial launch, before making it. So they have all the updates and patches and DLC. But even then licensing might fall though or change in those 2 years and the projects might get cancelled.
Then maybe they should've thought of that sooner. They know how modern video games work and how companies treat DLC & patches, yet still act like it's 2004.
Surprised there was no mention of the incredibly long wait to receive the game you bought. They take your money but you don't get the game(s) for months or even over a year. It's absurd
I mentioned it in passing towards the end of the video. But I tried to avoid any subjective things that could be hand-waved by blaming it on the pandemic. Stuff is crazy messed up. I have another vinyl from another artist on super backorder which is probably the same supplier that LRG used for Scott Pilgrim.
i gave up on limited run when i had to wait a full year for Forgotton Anne on the switch
I was one of those who bought the Doom Classics collection and was very upset that it required an internet connection, and I never even knew about the replacement disc, I was never made away and I'm bow even more bitter about this than I already was. I tried to reach out to them on Twitter several times about the issue and my dissatisfaction, as did a load of other people at the time, and they simply ignored us and all mentions of it. I feel completely screwed over...
What Limited Run needs is legit competition that would force them to take accountability.
I have only 3 games from them. Shantae on the Gameboy Color. Neo Geo Pocket Collection (That is not even numbered) and I just bought Shredders Revenge. I only get games I really will want to come back and play in the future.
The problem is that companies have to keep patching the game which makes the physical game the lesser version or not functional
I never realized LRG had screwed up so many times, the only real problem I had with them until now is getting my packages because I live in an area USPS don't like to send stuff to...
The "no response" thing is definitely a trending solution to ALL problems everywhere, apparently.
The last 3 games I bought for Switch from Limited Run had a download right after I got them. I have been buying a lot less games from them now because of it.
Doom eternal will only include version 1.09 on the cart. It will not be complete as the game goes up to version 1.12. This one is due to size limits.
But there are other games that aren’t complete such as Quake, Wizards of Legends, Bug Fables and some others I know of. They are doing this more often than you think