EP 158: The Little-Known Shocking History of Gender Identity Ideology with Malcolm Clark
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- In this episode, Sasha and Stella welcome Malcolm Clark for a really interesting conversation exploring various facets of historical ideas and identities around gender, homosexuality, and the evolution of identity activism. This discussion navigates the intricate and contentious terrain of understanding gender non-conformity and identity expression across history.
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If a person intentially disables themselves and then becomes eligible for tax funded social services as a result, that is a problem for everyone. It is not just “their body their choice.”
Republican detected. ^
@@UnquenchableHarvest Ha. As the lifelong dem parent of a daughter who has essentially done just that, I'm sure she thanks you for your taxpayer funded support. 'Gender' delusion knows no political party. 'Gender' is equal opportunity politics.
I'm left wing and I think lobbing body parts off of kids is disgusting. I also think that healthy women should not be able to remove body parts from choice until 25+. I also don't want people who have body parts removed supported by the NHS or through tax payers money. It's mad. I'm as left wing as you get.
that is the argument that democrats made for forcing us to get "vaccinated" with an experimental product that turned out to be immensely harmful. Its also the argument that republicans make for forcing women to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. It's a dog shit argument in either case, and in your case. There is no alternative to "your body your choice" that isn't utterly heinous and dystopian.
However, health professionals have an ethical duty not to offer to consent to participate in providing treatment that is actively harmful to a patient even if a patient requests it, and that applies to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, most plastic surgery, and loping off healthy body parts.
@Sileceisgolden don't get me wrong, I'm with ya. I just have a good nose for sniffing them ****ers out.
I think cutting off perfectly healthy body parts is immoral. It's an indication of a loss of understanding about personal dignity and the value of good health.
The burden on society cannot be justified no matter how much money they have.
Many fads created by wealthy high status people (foot binding, arsenic face whitening, surgical lower rib removal and breast implants) become aspirations of poorer people.
Also, who pays for the inevitable downstream health problems that occur? It’s maddening.
While I generally agree, I do know of women who have something like a 90 percent incidence of breast cancer among female relatives, and some of these women get full mastectomies in their 20s or 30s so that they won't get cancer.
@@John-tr5hn yes true, but the trans cult has no rationale for adopting surgery as a response.
Well researched and a clear genetic propensity for cancer is all the proof I'd need to consider mastectomy.
Not valuing one's reproductive capacity and mutilating one's body on the basis of a 'feeling' is degrading to the human condition.
@@John-tr5hn Interesting point. I had a history of boils until I had hormone treatment.
I don't think anyone is arguing against pre-emptive removal of tissue that could kill someone, or a treatment of hormones that actually has a benefit. The point is that all the interventions mentioned above do not have a medical benefit. Some women choose to have reconstruction after cancer and I think that still has a beneficial purpose connected to an actual illness. It's not the same as an entirely psychologically fabricated issue that is completely disconnected from the tissue that's being removed.
The other thing that I've noticed as a black woman is that I'm seeing the phrase "identify as black" being thrown around casually all of a sudden. Like I was reading an article about the air force and they said "17% identify as black." It's anything goes it seems. Total transhumanism.
When is one "really" black? One drop rule or passing as black? When is one "really" white? This whole race thing depends very strongly on self-ID AND as what others perceive you, and not purely on genetical heritage.
That's true, I've seen that also. Which is really confusing because rachel dolezal was just trashed when her story came out. But if someone can say Im a woman one day, saying I'm black bc I think I am is the same logic. I don't get any of their logic (since there isn't any)
@@miriamlana833The one drop rule is a racist invention. There's absolutely no truth to it.
@@miriamlana833so if a white person says they “feel black”, are they black?
@@azimuth5620 if the person has completely "white blood", definitely not. But if the person is mixed-race, it depends strongly on self-ID and looks.
Regarding the closing comments. It beats me how we are still assuming what is now known as trans is one thing, surely its an umbrella term not one thing. When considering whether "trans" has always existed surely that question has to be qualified - what do you mean by "trans"?
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Can you expand on that comment? Examples of the various meanings? Thank you!
@@singingway for some it's likely to be a sexual fetish, for others it's a means of avoiding adulthood, for others it a way to avoid admitting they are gay, for others like those on the spectrum it's a symptom of an inability to discern grey areas and fuzzy edges - a hunger for a place in society, narcissists no doubt get a kick out of appearing on Libs of Tic Tok, then again it's a means for some to seduce children so they can be used for sexual gratification, then there's the applied postmodernist activists who desire to dismantle society through Queering society into dysfunction so their values are Liberated (capital L) from the "false consciousness" of phalologocentric capitalist hegemony. Then of course, there's Sascha Bailey's mates who are transmaxxing to cash in on the fame and fortune of being a content creator, for employment in a diversity position and an oppressed marginal class grant recipient.
It wouldn't surprise me to discover a lot of teansmaxxers haunting TRA protests for a sneaky f*ck off the odd angry TRA handmaiden called Titania.
It's a luxury beliefs for a first world looking for purpose.
I'll round off by recommending a look at Prof Calhoun's "Universe 25” mouse utopia experiments and reflecting on how many social ills visited Calhoun's mice that we are now facing in Western Liberal Democracies.
@@singingway
Teansmaxxers
AGPs
P*d*phil*s
Asp*RG*r sufferers
Internalised h*m*ph*bics
Teenagers avoiding ad*lthood's pressures
Postmodernist smashing the phalologocentric hegemony and it's "false consciousness"
Personally, I think it's our very own Universe 25 mouse utopia. Luxury beliefs and a failure to flourish because of a lack of interest in a future.
Trans typically refers to someone with gender dysphoria. When you look at it in this way, it covers all of the gender confusion.
Honestly, what body mods people do to their bodies should be irrelevant.
What IS relevant is that governments change vital statistics information, and that society pretends "true trans" because of that government recognition of the lie of gendered souls.
Taxpayers should NOT pay for body mods.
Governments should NOT condone opposite sex identification.
As JKR was thinking when she said: dress as you want, job as you want, hairdo as you want, but stop the lies of "other sex"
Medical doctors should lose their license if they perform these operations
@@goodgrief888 only if on kids. Adults can body mod their body to high hell if they want, but Tax Payers and Health Insurance and Public Health countries should NOT pay for it.
@@tallard666 “First do no harm.” Sorry but I disagree. I think it’s not ok to chop off working parts to indulge a delusion. It goes against medical ethics. And before you mention tattoos, those are not medical procedures.
@@tallard666 as long as we assign a legal sex at birth we also have to have some possibilities to change it later, even if trans wouldn't exist it were needed in some cases.
@@miriamlana833 That is false. There is zero need to ever change the sex on a birth certificate in any western nation.
It is possible that in a poor country where children are born outside a modern legal or medical system, an intersex child could be mis-sexed at birth, but such circumstances are become rarer, and it's not applicable to western countries.
Your sex is your sex and it's not changeable.
It's weird to me that psychologists would say that people should perhaps ignore their disgust. Disgust is a crucial early warning system to dangerous substances and situations. We are in a mad world we should absolutely not ignore our disgust. Today we to often 'mask' it. A disgust response is painful for the recipient but we have social norms in place for a reason and the reason it has changed at a glacial pace so people don't lob their body parts off and parade perversions. Let's not pretend or mask our disgust.
Well said.
There is extreme danger in teaching children to ignore these feelings. Detectives who work with children have spoken about how this type of grooming to ignore inner feelings of unease is precisely how predators are able to hurt them.
Some people are disgusted by the mere presence of others who are just different from them; those who are a different color, or the opposite sex (I don't mean the trans-identified here), or are old, or are young, or are disabled, or are from a different class. Disgust is a strong emotional reaction and so can be and often is irrational, and as the writer implies, heavily influenced by culture. As a warning to impeding danger, I would not immediately trust a feeling of disgust when felt about human beings. I wouldn't ignore it but I would take into account that it's a purely knee-jerk emotional reaction, and needs to be examined as all such reactions should be by thoughtful rational people. Feelings are not facts...for anyone.
Yes, Sasha's "devil's advocate" question and Malcolm's response are vitally important at around 29 minutes - normalisation of a behaviour carries different ethical import from that of an individual choosing it. Most of us would agree that someone has the right even to commit suicide (however sad that is), but we would and ABSOLUTELY SHOULD criticise a suicide cult, or any "hyper-rational" academic argument for suicide. Damage to the body (and relationships) in whatever form - anorexia, cutting, trans medicalisation, etc. - is just a less extreme version of the same principle, which is why so many of us GC people repeat endlessly that we don't "hate trans people" and we're not "transphobic" in a general sense; we're concerned about the normalisation of drastic procedures. This is often simply due to the social contagion - the more people do something, the more likely someone else is to think, "That's probably the solution to my suffering." And the placebo effect and sunk loss fallacy drive that vicious circle.
9:50 intersting that Russel Reid, who approved the removal of a patients healthy legs, is the number one expert on transgenderism in Europe, while Marci Bowers, w path president, in an interview with Matt Walsh where Bowers is asked about people who want to have their limbs removed, responds "that's a little bit kooky" while maintining that wanting to have healthy breasts or genitals removed is apparently completely acceptable.
Check out the Giggle v Tickle case in Australia.
Awareness of gender issues is not well known among average, normal women. Laws were changed in Australia, for example, changing the definition of what a woman is making trans politics possible. It was done at top levels in the Australian govt by the female PM. Without the full and knowable consent of the Australian population. The Giggle cause may not win their case. More women and MEN need to stand up and protest and get those laws changed.
Men: Think about your sisters, daughters, mothers, wives. Stand with your sisters!
"Bodies Under Seige": Self Mutilation and Body Modification in Culture and Psychiatry. This is a great resource for this kind of thing and the book is partly organized by anatomy and the potential meaning of each body part in psychiatric terms for the patient. What you find immediately through case studies (often horrible to read) is that there is a deep need for sacrifice "to make sacred" involved. And subconscious religious drives at the heart of these case studies. I can speak for myself and say that i actually bought the book at a time when i was deeply alone and depressed and had fantasized about self mutilation. Instead of doing it, i just researched it. I would also posit a theory that similar to the process of starvation, which is sometimes described as the body eating itself in order to sustain itself, i wonder if social starvation effects the psyche in a similar way. In order to feel part of the social, one needs to "make sacrifices", so to speak. You could use the Yakuza criminal gang as an example. Mistakes are paid for by the cutting off of a finger etc. I don't know.
This is definitely a connection which is worth studying further.
I think you might want to look into 'affect theory' and possibly Phenomenology, the philosophy of existence.
Especially when you consider the body mods instantly elevate them to a position of importance in their contemporary peer groups. Nothing worse than being "normative" these days. Reminds me of the hyper-social group in the Mouse Utopia experiment vs the other groups that extracted themselves to the outlands of the enclosure and stopped socialising completely.
Fascinating idea. Thank you. Hope you are in a happy place now.
"Hans without the legs"
A long time ago there was one trans person at my university called "A. Gamble"
I think there is a correlation between these issues and a lack of understanding irony or humour.
These discussions on extreme body modifications and their normalization are incredibly provocative. Mentioning people's willingness to remove body parts and the sexual aspects associated with it sparks strong reactions. It forces us to reconsider norms, autonomy, and societal standards, leading to profound reflections on acceptance and ethics.
The portal is now opening wide to transhumanism.
I believe this will be the end of the “human race.” We don’t need to drop the bomb we are imploding ourselves.
I am very sad about all of this and feel we are losing our divinity and all aspects related to the unknown our beauty and creativity as human spirits.
Brings to mind Rachel Carsons and E.B. Whites writings:
"In nature, nothing exists alone.”
“We in this generation, must come to terms with nature, and I think we're challenged as mankind has never been challenged before to prove our maturity and our mastery, not of nature, but of ourselves."
"We are accustomed to look for the gross and immediate effects and to ignore all else. Unless this appears promptly and in such obvious form that it cannot be ignored, we deny the existence of hazard. Even research men suffer from the handicap of inadequate methods of detecting the beginnings of injury. The lack of sufficiently delicate methods to detect injury before symptoms appear is one of the great unsolved problems in medicine."
"Here and there awareness is growing that man, far from being the overlord of all creation, is himself part of nature, subject to the same cosmic forces that control all other life. Man's future welfare and probably even his survival depend upon his learning to live in harmony, rather than in combat, with these forces."
-Rachel Carson.
"I am pessimistic about the human race because it is too ingenious for its own good. Our approach to nature is to beat it into submission. We would stand a better chance of survival if we accommodated ourselves to this planet and viewed it appreciatively instead of skeptically and dictatorially." - E. B. WHITE
Brings to mind Rachel Carsons and E.B. Whites writings:
"In nature, nothing exists alone.”
“We in this generation, must come to terms with nature, and I think we're challenged as mankind has never been challenged before to prove our maturity and our mastery, not of nature, but of ourselves."
"We are accustomed to look for the gross and immediate effects and to ignore all else. Unless this appears promptly and in such obvious form that it cannot be ignored, we deny the existence of hazard. Even research men suffer from the handicap of inadequate methods of detecting the beginnings of injury. The lack of sufficiently delicate methods to detect injury before symptoms appear is one of the great unsolved problems in medicine."
"Here and there awareness is growing that man, far from being the overlord of all creation, is himself part of nature, subject to the same cosmic forces that control all other life. Man's future welfare and probably even his survival depend upon his learning to live in harmony, rather than in combat, with these forces."
-Rachel Carson.
"I am pessimistic about the human race because it is too ingenious for its own good. Our approach to nature is to beat it into submission. We would stand a better chance of survival if we accommodated ourselves to this planet and viewed it appreciatively instead of skeptically and dictatorially." - E. B. WHITE
You are right, Transhumanism has been a partial object of a very small, powerful cohort since the late1940's and trajectory can be traced through the transcripts of the Macy Conferences down to Google's Ray Kurzweil and his Singularity. We are currently in the stage of Posthumanism.
@@annereidy7981 before the 1940s even. See the film Metropolis.
We can't lose being made in the image of God.
Even though we do our best to try that.
When all seems lost, Christ will rise again. That is His thing.
I think we're finally getting closer to the core of the issue - why is this wrong? I hear Sasha, Stella, and Malcolm (and the commenters here) all seemingly agreeing that it should be permitted as long as it is clearly a "body modification" procedure, not funded by taxpayers, and as long as the future disabilities of the people undergoing this procedure are not funded by taxpayers either. I think this is a superficial view of the problem, and though, if this was somehow enforced, it is likely to result in fewer people transitioning or cutting off healthy limbs, it is not really getting to the heart of the matter. Maybe it should be permitted - we don't jail people for cheating on their partners, for example - but that's not the deeper question. Why is it wrong?
In my opinion, it is wrong to sever one's own healthy limbs because it is an abandonment of what we are called to be. It is a refusal (or an inability) to ever hear a calling. In a way it seems to me to be no more morally wrong than rhinoplasty or a BBL (though with different medical and societal side effects in most cases). It is a vanity, a focus on one's appearance (or, more precisely, on one's feelings about one's appearance) to such an extent that it blocks most everything else. The sexual component that Malcolm notes is an exacerbating factor, but it still amounts to the same issue - what I feel and how I feel is so important that it makes sense to expend time, effort, and money, to be in pain, and possibly to make others suffer for it.
Humans have always drifted towards vanity and pride, but there used to be something that kept these in check - an awareness that we are not the end all and be all, that we are striving towards something (Someone). This is largely absent in today's society, and so we worship ourselves.
Such important points you bring up. Also how is it ethical for physicians, surgeons therapists, endocrine doctors and others in the medical field to engage in procedures which cause such disfigurement, destroy natural healthy functioning and damage health? Surely this can not be called "medicine" but rather the misuse of it.
@@Gingerblaze It's not ethical for doctors and nurses to engage in these procedures. Plastic surgery back when it was rare and available only to the super rich really was the thin end of this extremely unethical wedge. We (medicine and nursing) should have addressed it as an ethical issue then, and we didn't, and this is where it has led us.
@@lilith3953 definitely there were many who objected on ethical grounds. It is interesting that the hippocratic oath was removed in 1973, aa it was determined it restricted medical development.
It seems to me Sasha and Stella often ask the questions that the "other side" would ask, ie: playing devils advocate.
I adore what you wrote! Yes we are losing our sense of being and moving away from what makes us divine, that 'why' is very important and lacking in discussions
Fantastic guest. I could listen to him for hours. Fascinating stuff.
Oooh it took me 59 min before I realized it was THAT guy from X. Very interesting episode!
Ok 50 minutes 😅
Urning:
Ulrichs took this name from Plantons scripture about Aphrodite (love goddess). There were two principles of love in his view: one - Aphrodite Urania - the elder sister, who was made out of body parts (!) from her Father Uranus. And Plato considered this as heavenly love (without female involvement). So Ulrichs took the name Uranus and created the Urning as representation of male-to-male love.
There was another Aphrodite - the younger sister- who was called Aphrodite Dionea - wshe came into being through the couple Zeus and Dione. She was then in Plato’s view the representation of common love - as in love where a woman is involved. Ulrichs called the heterosexual man a Dioning.
So this distinction is filled with devaluation of women. A man who came into live without a woman is heavenly, a man who came into live with the involvement of a woman is common. In Plato’s view a man who succumbs to loving a woman is of less value than a man who loves what is strong and rational: another man.
Great insight. Reminds one of the story of Gilgamesh
Men really do think they are superior don’t they. Funny today to watch the trans adherents proclaim they too have periods.
Up until quite recently having a body part amputate had a very high risk of sudden death, but if you did survive it most people would be left to beg on the streets for a living. So currently are people who desire such things suffering from affluencia?
If he wrote in German, he would write "Geschlecht" which is usually and more properly translated as "sex" though if gender is treated as a synonym, then soneone could use that word.
In modern German, in the concept of "Gender studies" they just use the word "gender" as Geschlecht is associated with physical sex. By the way, sex as an act is Geschlechtsverkehr. That's German for ya.
This was the best conversation.
Very insightful conversation!
The body mod community is large and growing, and they often don’t consider themselves to have BIDD or another form of mental illness. It’s shocking what some of these ‘people’ (often not how they identify) do to themselves to transform into their goal image. Full face and body tats is just the beginning. Most of them have IG pages but they’re super graphic. The BlackAlien, Black Alien 2, Red Skull, the Orc, Diablo Praddo and his demon wife, the Zombie one who has tried to laser off his full head.
Great episode, Malcolm! We must get another beer soon
42:20 Respect to Malcom, but in making his Foucauldian point about the word 'homosexual' not existing in the 1860's, he has forgotten the term 'sodomite' was used to describe gay or bisexual Victorians including Oscar Wilde.
In Victorian and Elizabethan England, "sodomite" simply described a practitioner of sodomy, not a man exclusively attracted to other men (0 attraction to the opposite sex was unthinkable). Even receiving partners (called "pathic" in Wilde's time) were assumed to become attracted to women at some point in their lives.
@@ericszilagyi8214 Thanks for the comment. I agree that the quasi-scientific term "homosexual" was new at the time, but it doesn't follow that there was no conception of a permanent same-sex orientation. Perhaps this why the Marquis of Queensbury accused Oscar Wilde of merely 'posing as a sodomite'.
Anne Lister reportedly wrote in her diary "I love and only love the fairer sex and thus, beloved by them in turn my heart revolts from any other love but theirs."
@@liberalityThere was a concept of permanent homosexuality, but very often openly gay men had to live as a "third gender", whose roles were different from those of straight guys or feminine women. Even homosexual relationships were gender stratified, with 3rd gender males not being able to have sex with each other.
Lesbian transgenderism seems to have been much rarer, probably because those women were pushed to be mothers.
@@johnnyrichards77 That depends on the place and time in history, as well as the status of the individuals concerned, I think. For example it was recorded that various kings of England had male favourites. That many of them also had children may have had more to do with succession than their orientation.
Women's history is generally under-reported so I don't think a lack of written accounts means much.
@@liberality Yes. Just keep in mind that exclusive gay males, who tend to be gender non-conforming as boys, are often conflated with bisexual insertive partners from societies where male homosexuality is gender- or age-stratified. One king bedding feminine males doesn't tell us he's gay. Hadrian famously did it with Antinous in Imperial Rome and it seems he was very much into women as well.
Antinous would be a gay twink today whereas Hadrian would probably be a straight-identified gynandromorphophile.
Malcolm is concerned that self-mutilation will become 'normalised' where many people will participate - with many regretting it later, but, in the same sentence, says he didn't really care if anyone cut their legs off. In other words, he normalised it while complaining that it may become normalised.
At the 29 minute mark - no we wouldn’t have the police search for the person who wanted to remove their own legs and have them arrested, but I would hope that the physician who agreed to perform the operation would be arrested and punished.
The future disabilities will be funded by taxpayers because that is how it always works.
21:37 i dont agree with the interpretation that the "sexual desire was so strong he was willing to chop his leg off" there is a ton of Delusion and Fantasy in these cases. They are not thinking clearly. The illusion of what they imagine life be like, and what THEY will be like, post surgery, has ovecome reality and has put them under a compulsion. Ute Heggen (grass widow) treats this condition with body integrity exercises to put the person back in touch with the reality of their body in relation to the real world.
Really interesting!
A point was brought up that I fight with people all the time. Just because you function in every other part of you like but are (the example given)are anorectic you do have a mental disorder.
40:00 I'm surprised Malcolm failed to transition the German language nomenclature to the anglosphere. In the same years, in the anglosphere, the shrinks were using "sexual invert" to label all homosexuals.
Not just the quacks, see The Well of Loneliness by Radclyffe Hall.
@@liberality All shrinks are quacks, so it's redundant!
Revolutionary France was perhaps the first time 'progressivism" was adopted by the state anywhere. Jean Rouseau conceived as the human race as born perfect then corrupted by society. The revolution bought in the decimal system and even attempted to decimalise time and the calendar. Little wonder homosexuality was not viewed as objectionable, that was a view of the ancient regime and it's church. The new state was secular.
All behaviour makes sense. If we don't try to understand what lays hidden beneath the behaviours, we are only getting a surface look. It has been sinful to watch how we have failed to do no harm. Hopefully, we can now start now.
The new language games with medical terms is contributing to the normalization of deeply rooted issues. Instead of alcoholism, we have alcohol use disorder. We aren't supposed to say "addicted" or addict. Instead of mentally insane, we have "body integrity identity disorder" and "trans."
People are never chopping off their own legs,or body parts, they are requiring surgeons to do it at their behest. So who takes responsibility when it goes wrong?
Do these people that chop off limbs then want prosthetics???? & more importantly, do they expect others to now see to their everyday needs? It's crazy & should not be allowed.
I once saw a documentary with several persons that had this kind of fetish or phantom leg thing… some lived in a wheelchair for example with their leg tied back. One guy even drove to Poland or where it was to get his leg removed, no one knew about it and he was only speaking anonymously. He lied to his family that he had a car accident in Poland where he lost his leg. He said they all pity him but in secret he celebrates and is joyous about it….
I mean since he was an adult, I thought it was very weird but it’s his body, do what you like 🤷🏼♀️ But with kids that are indoctrinated, it’s a whole different story.
Swift did not suggest that the Irish eat their own children to alleviate their poverty. He suggested that the English *buy the Irish children*, and then *the English* should eat the children. It would be a win-win, he argued...the Irish would have their poverty problem solved, and the English would enjoy better nutrition for their investment.
Don't you feel that if your conversations are so important you shouldn't be restricting part of it behind a paywall on substack?
You picked great photos for your cover. You look honestly shocked!
Thank you!!
If the satisfaction of a sexual drive is behind all these strangenesses, what happens after castration when sex drive is gone?
To think Nazzis might have gone after gay people first. I'm glad I watched Shindlers Lisp.
In Oscar Wilde's era, there was a name for it.
Re ancients and women there was Sappho and the Isle of Lesbos but real women's lives are not well recorded as far as I can tell. Greecian and Roman cultures were male dominated and patriarchal as I understand it but I am no scholar in this area.
You are correct. Women were equated with animals, who the Greeks and Romans considered had no mind.
21:00 - 23:00
It would help to have better microphones? Everyone seems to be shouting.
34:30
As the number of genders expands how are we to achieve gender balance....??
Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD
26:45 The reason why elective sterility is no longer considered a mental health problem is that Western politics have become anti-natalist. We ordinary people are now supposed to live our best lives while being 'child-free', devoting ourselves to the workplace and our employers.
Da fuck? The other way round would be more accurate. Corporate and work and inflation and crazy housing prices make it impossible to parent a child and pay for it all. It's not being anti natalist, or else abortions wouldn't once again be in the limelight of banned. People would have more kids if it was financially feasible
@@muppelmuh1445 Thanks for the comment. I think you're seeing the effect of anti-natalist policy rather than the cause. If only one salary per family was taken into consideration in the mortgage and rental markets, as used to be the case, we wouldn't have had such high housing costs in the West since the 1990s because paying double would have been out of the question.
If you can show me one example of a corporation which is anti-abortion I would like to take a look at that. My impression is that the anti-abortion lobbying is coming from the churches and those who fear depopulation.
Now hold on a minute. I don't like the precedent these ideas are setting.
If it's insane to remove healthy reproductive organs, then where does that leave people who get elective sterilisation procedures such as vasectomies and hysterectomies?
It can't be that simple, there must be more to it.
'Bodily autonomy movement'. Intactivists, are you aware of this?
For someone who has made a study of a subject, Malcolm Clark is not good at remembering details, at least in this conversation. It's a little annoying if you want a bit more depth. At one point Ayad saves him by looking something up online!
It is not right to give surgeries under 30 years old, I think, because maybe only then you start to think that you might want to have a child. Giving services for having a baby should not be given for them.
I don't like Jazz either, so I'm a Nazi?
Interesting discussion but very lacking. Without understanding sexual biology and endocrine disruption these conversations go nowhere. Some babies are born (inappropriately) with the cells of the opposite sex. How many and where they’re located (body and brain) determines the degree of reversal (damage). In Greece lead (and other) poisoning caused endocrine disruption. Today it’s a tidal wave of hormone mimicking chemicals; BPA, BPF, Xeno-estrogens, pesticides, Dioxin, Atrazine, Phthalates, Perchlorate, Flame Tetardants, Glycol Ethers, Mercury, and on..
Look instead of Hans, he could have been called Legoloss? Mary Harrington's Meat Lego Theocracy comes to mind.
People isolated from any sense of mutually supportive community come adrift from any consensus morality.
I'm very concerned virtual reality and fetish porn normaluses all of this body modification cult.
There's strong sado masochistic theme there.
Yes, this is precisely what appears to be driving the rise of trans ideology in modern pop culture. Especially the imposition of it onto children targeting them in education and for the past 20yrs in online spaces frequented by children and teenagers.
@@Gingerblaze It's foundational to queer theory, see Gayle Rubin.
Transgenderism is ideology, transsexualism is not.
Can you explain further? Do you mean that transsexualism means getting sex-reassignment surgery, and is therefore a physical (not ideological) thing?
@@Zzyzzyx I was about to write the same question, commenting to get alerted when the answer comes in
What is the difference?
@@Gingerblaze @robertmarshall2502
@Zsyzzx I thought I had replied but my response seems to be missing. So here we are, there is substantial evidence that the feeling that transsexuals have that they should be of the opposite sex is caused by incorrect development of brain structures. It is widely held that transsexuals have an intersex or cross-sexed brain.
Whereas transgender, that is people who have no desire to change their sexual characteristics, are only 'functional' to use the technical term, they do not have cross-sex brain structures but are socially and behaviourally presenting so far as they can as the opposite gender to that in which they were born.
The problem arises between TS and TG because many TG claim that the term TS is 'outdated' (whatever that means) and that you don't need to have medical treatments to be gender/sex reassigned. They then insist that TS people are subsumed under the 'Transgender Umbrella' and so are both seeking to occupy the territory that TS established over decades in the last century and at the same time eradicating them as a distinct category of their own.
Oops we shouldn’t have done that? John Money was not brilliant. He was warped.
One major disappointment in this episode is the complete failure to look at the question of WHY.
People constantly beat around the bush, because so much of the "resistance" appears to be on the right or among the religious.
BUT
THE original sin of the sexual mental illness is PARENTING
Specifically the horrible parental failure of coercing "presentism" "gendered" norms onto their offspring. This is nearly always a religious parenting problem, trying to apply fake "rules" of how people are supposed to behave. Religious sexually repressive parents harm children (I'm not advocating full on stupid liberalism, but there's a middle to be found!) . This sexual repression leads BOTH to homophobia AND paraphilias.
Listen, actually listen, to the narratives of nearly all trans (gender/sexual, same bs) they all tell of their religious upbringing, somewhere on the spectrum of of trad or true or faithful.
Too boring.