Yeah I've seen it too but I think it's because they can't find actors or they try to push the charecter to be different because some of those are still red haired in comics
Weird thing is, marvel comics did it themselves, plus, it was always weird that somehow according to marvel and dc, being white have you a major advantage for gaining super powers Weird how when they try to make it more realistic it’s somehow a problem
You are also right, and not only marvel comics. Here is the reality of it.... Most of the target audience for comic books were originally white boys - under 18. They have specific insecurities, sexual, and racial, and the comic book super hero is their fantasy of being powerful. Really the word for this is INCEL. In current times - all of this has to be shared - with audiences and artists who are not white, and women as well. This is what they don't like, and their self entitled grievance manifests in stages. If the entire fantasy Universe cannot consist only of white males. (original Star Wars is almost a perfect example of this - and there is the Family Guy Star Wars joke this is a masterclass on taking apart incel delusion and how *FUGGED* UP it is: _I'm on a planet with two suns and NO WOMEN!_ - Luke Skywalker So as comic books become more inclusive - to the never ending hate and frustration of incels - the stages are: -> Give us women, but cosign them to love interest, save me girls. -> Give us Black Brown Asian - ok but make them villains. -> Give us gay bait (Wolverine/Deadpool) but play it off as cosplay among safely straight guys who pretend to be gay. Hence we can't have Wolverine and Deadpool kiss *ick* no, they have to keep stabbing each other in the azz instead. (again incel psychology is FUUGGGGGGED UP). -> Give us heroes that black/brown/woman other but - but make sure they don't overshadow the white [super/man]. Captain Marvel was DOOOMED to run the hate gauntlet of incels, for whom having a woman be the most powerful character is their worst nightmare. The incel counter argument is that they just don't want characters - swapped. But this is bullshix. They don't want white males usurped in their fantasy Universe - that is true source of their hate. [Hence Miles Morales, Sam Wilson, all are hated on this site by the Incels..... - Captain America isn't a character - it's a title! - and it *does not belong to white guy, sorry* ]
It would be great if Marvel and DC produced shows/movies based on their comics vs gender/race/sexuality swapping characters. It makes people uncomfortable. Create NEW characters and go crazy
Well we all know Nathaniel Richards (kang) is white in the comics and I believe his variants were white as well but Jonathan Majors did a DAMN GREAT JOB AS KANG AND HIS VARIANTS AND I WANTED MORE FROM HIM BUT THE COMPANY RUINED IT FOR US
I haven't followed his story but last I heard he was in court for something pretty bad so I'm not sure how it's the companies fault but everything else I agree with you on. I don't see why race swapping matters if the character in questions race never mattered to their story.
I'm actually happy that he called this out. As there is a long brewing pattern in the comic books, and films, of making films more inclusive by having Black or Asian - *villains.* This is because the same audiences that happily accept a black Lex Luthor or High Evolutionary or Electro - will wet their boy pants, if you have Black Super Man, or Adam Warlock. They literally want a universe of white guy heroes and black, brown and yellow (Mandarin) villains. Note: Shang Chi, gently called this out - when they mentioned how Americans managed to code their villains after a type of orange. Iron Man 3 did too - when they made the Mandarin Ben Kinglsy - but had him pose as an Arab Coded terrorist when it was really the US government exploiting the hatred and racism of modern America. (so ironic, because that troll speaks more about America today than for example the recent non marvel "Civil War" film, or the upcoming Captain America 4 - which is intentionally vapid so as not to upset anyone). Of course this went over the heads of many on this site, but then what doesn't, that isn't aimed at a 7 year old.
Crazy how this has been public knowledge for three years, and now people are suddenly upset about it. Back when it was first announced, everyone seemed fine with it, but as soon as the trailer dropped, the usual anti-woke UA-camrs started making their videos, and now it’s a whole thing.
"Everyone seemed fine with it" this either shows that you live in an echochamber and also that amount of people who gained common sense increased. This however doesn't actually change that race swapping was and always will be re7@rd3d
It is stupid, we being the kindhearted individuals we are, have tolerated it in the name of affording actors work. Okay let’s make Blade white Armin? Yeah it’s stupid as hell. He’s really a Day Walker now.
Hollywood and other races around the world are only ok with black people as villains but not heroes or lead rolls in marvel films and I agree with the X-men showrunner.
The dude seriously needs to take a chill pill! He barely even realizes what he’s complaining about. Also not every X-men 97 decision was perfect either! He’ll get in big trouble and lose his job if he's not careful!
_The dude seriously needs to take a chill pill!_ ^ Just say ouch, and *I resemble that remark.* (since you know it's true) Rather than throwing a hissy (!!!) while 'demanding' that someone else should 'chill'. 🤣
Remember people its not because of people are racist its really because people just want the characters that they know to look exaclty how they are in the comics
My only problem is when people pick and choose when its ok to race swap like with jessica alba sue storm Everyone accepted her and still consider her the best live action version till this day
@Igivegdparent well I guess she still somewhat kinda looked liked the character they also race change wonderman which I hate and they also race changed moon knight
@eliteghost1001 people hate wonderman character from the comments I have seen And they do love moonknight Jessica alba looked nothing like sue storm too me Sue is pale white and doesn't have a tan at all in the comics😅 I think people accepted alba because she is white passing Latina even though she isn't white at all Now im curious if Michael b Jordan was a biracial white passing black man would they have accepted him Oh and throw in a fake blonde wig like alba??
I am black and I agree with the guy about that race swiping stuff nonsense🤦🏽♂️ like what if they made Storm a white woman ?? 😂 all Hell will broke loose lol
Seeing Demayo did make a Character from the original X-Men 90s series Non-Binary and implies Wolverine is Bi, I question on where Demayo draws the line on Swapping
Look this is not to start some huge debate, but please understand what I’m trying to say. I agree with what BO is saying accept for the race swapping being “funny”. (Unless he being sarcastic). What this really is, is disrespectful to us as African American people and to the AA character who we have in comics who barely get a push in their respective comic book universes. By these companies race swapping characters especially white characters and turning them black, your telling AA people that our “representation” in the comics can only be represented/validated through the use of an icon white character and then just race swapping them and then throwing it in our faces and tell us “here’s you representation”. There has been multiple ginger characters who have been race swapped and turned AA, and we are literally seeing them turn “ginger into ninjas” (if you know the offensive quote), and you guys expect us not to call out blatant disrespect/ discrimination towards gingers and AA people. That’s the problem with modern day Marvel and DC, and when we call it out as fans we’re called bigots and racist even when it’s a AA person making these claims and trying to show and tell y’all why it’s offensive. Make original African American and other minority characters if you really want to “represent everyone”. There’s a new comic book universe called the RIPPAVERSE, ran and owned by y a man Named Eric July and he’s ding exactly that and he has been gaining success for 2 years now.
Just stop race swapping, the hypocrisy and the goal post moving on this topic is insane. Support original characters and the studios will stop recycling the same characters over and over and changing their look.
_Support original characters_ This is bs argument sence there is no 'original' character [even the concept of many of these characters predates all comics - comic books are not the bible]. There is only the version of the character you chose to accept as canon. For example - which Cat Woman represents 'original'- Earth Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Zoe Kravitz? According to you, only *1* of them can be Catwoman, and all others must racially resemble whichever one 'you' decide is original...... Whatever the h3ll that means. According to you we can't have a Sam Jackson Nick Fury, or a Michael Fassbender Magneto - because the one is Black, and the other isn't Jewish????
It makes fans happy to see things adapted accurately. It’s become a trend recently to accurately depict things that were considered silly previously, like Wolverine’s yellow costume and Guy Gardner’s bowl cut. Race swapping irritates fans because it changes characters’ appearances. X-Men ‘97 is big into accurate depictions.
Obviously the argument to make Black Panther white is a stupid one but the vast majority of these race swaps aren’t inspired or creative choices at all, it is to look more diverse and get positive publicity. If you don’t like it or even state that you prefer the characters original look, you’re labeled as racist. It is a very lazy trend in the entertainment industry.
Well if it’s as you say “just to look more diverse” then the question still stands what is it hurting? And why is it hurtful to you? It’s a fictional character they can be any color unless it’s somewhat central to their story. Perfect example that isn’t black panther is Kraven. I don’t want a race swapped kraven of any color. He has to be from the caucuses. Same with Dr Doom. But Norman Osborn who is just rich 🤷🏾♂️. If a race swapped character bothers you there are other issues.
Thank you. I agree with this. I don’t understand why people can’t see why this is offensive and just a dumb idea. Push already existing African American characters and create new ones like people are currently doing in the independent comic space.
@@almightyxay1977DEI exchanges greatness for quota’s it’s literally racism. If you don’t think racism is bad then keep hiring people based on race and sacrifice quality.
@@almightyxay1977 I’m not against it all of the time. Sometimes it works, like Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury is a good example imo. The majority of the time I prefer characters the way they were originally created and designed. Implying there are “other issues” because I’m not a fan of it is exactly the weak kind of argument I mentioned in my original comment. I don’t like uninspired or lazy changes to characters it adds nothing to the character or story. It reeks of pandering. Comic’s have a lot of diversity and have become much more diverse in recent years as new characters are created. There isn’t an excuse that there aren’t any characters of color to add to the film roster. These companies will drop diversity in a heart beat the moment it isn’t profitable for them, they don’t care about good stories or in depth characters, they want to keep the media and vocal voices on the internet at bay. Of course, you need to switch things up by changing a character to keep it fresh and ever evolving, Old Man Logan is a good example of that or Falcon becoming Captain America and experiencing a whole new set of social issues that Steve or Bucky never faced is an interesting story to me. Changing a characters race or gender, while adding absolutely nothing to them, is not.
Agreed why does this also look at established character Ice Man now a homosexual, just create goid characters who happen to be a homosexual, Kang was always African like Apocalypse.
I am not a fan of essentially passing on titles to POC like cap, and riri. Stop giving away 'sloppy seconds' and take the time to create unique, new and interesting characters that are POC. Or, draw from the character roster form the Marvel comics. Make Falcon, War Machine more interesting by focusing more on their story rather than swapping out other established characters that are white.
1. We've already had Normon Osborne/Green Goblin in the MCU/film/dozens of shows, so who really cares if we get one version that's black? 2. None of those characters in the list Armin said are really affected by the race swap. Kang is for the majority blue, High Evolutionary is red, Electro wasn't Disney/Marvel's decision it was Fox's (so if your'e mad about that, for whatever reason, be made at those guys), and Baron Mordo isn't even white to begin with - he's asian.
1) I and anyone sane. I don't come to a marvel show to watch a random nobody who for some reason bears a name of a known character, I do it to see them as they are in the original story 2) If it doesn't matter than stay silent and don't change it. YOU bunch are the people who push this so take accountability for your actions And lol since when race swapping an Asian acceptable? Wasn't your whole justification that "black people are under represented unlike white people"? Oh wait I forgot that we Asians are now white adjacent and are part of honorary @ry@ns lol
@@tabkg5802facts. Why do African American people need to be validated and represented in comics only if they are using an icon white character but then switch them out and make them black. It’s downright offensive and needs to stop. No other minority characters get this treatment.
I dont care about the race-aspect of it. I just want comic accuracy. No, I dont want a white Tchalla or white Blade either. I want them, as they exist in the comics and their original forms. I dont mind black actors playing or voicing characters like Silver Surfer or Kang, if they put them in white paint or a mask for the entire duration. Then the adaption isnt effected in the slightest. But when they put the actors face front and center for a character they dont resemble at all, it breaks my suspension of disbelief and takes me out of the experience. No, I never bought Jamie Fox as Electro, nor Majors as Kang. They are great actors, but when I see them on screen, I dont see their comic counterparts. I just see the actors playing a role. Its literally that simple. Yes, Marvel has a problem with black representation, but thats a different topic and its certainly not solved by raceswapping white characters.
It’s not that simple though. An actors face is one of their biggest marketing points. Obviously there are exceptions like voice actors or Doug Jones who’s known for being buried under makeup/costumes. MCU has always shown the actors face (except fully CGI characters) so that’s why people like Captain America or Spiderman almost never have their mask on during the climax. Norman in the Spiderman show is arguably more comic accurate than Willem Dafoe because of the waves and green suit.
@@sammcfarland967 Yes. Yes it is just that simple. There is more than enough great actors out there who can properly play roles. Looking the part is an important part of acting. "Snow White" "Her skin was almost as white as snow" How are you gonna pull up to me with an actress darker than my shadow and say it's peak lmao? "Black Panther" The dude lives in Africa, dafuq? How is you gonna come up to me with an actor lighter than a piece'o paper and say it's a decent depiction, also... The fuck? How does the green TUX make him accurate? I get the waves but Norman wore like 9000 casuals in comic books. The fuck does his TUX being green make it accurate for?
@@sammcfarland967 I mean, you're not wrong. Hate when they pull the mask off, just to show the actors face, when it doesnt match the character at all. I dont want to see RDJs face as Doom. I want the iron mask. But im guessing we aint getting much of that, sadly.
eh, race-swapping is usually fine & inconsequential when it comes to secondary, tertiary, etc characters but when it is done to a titular character it requires an enormous amount of consideration. really though it all just depends on the story that is being told. i do have a bit of a visceral reaction to any change being made to any beloved character but then i think about it for like 2 seconds & i'm like, "oh wait, they actually change all sorts of things all the time that i don't even notice, why tf am i even noticing this? especially when it has zero impact on the story..."
It doesn't matter whether or not it's a defining aspect of the character. It's the fact that people have been reading comics since they were a child, and they want to see characters that look like the characters they read in comics. Obviously, characters can't look exactly the same as they look in comic books, but race is a fundamental aspect of the character ie that's what the character looks like.
So we can accept that people generally can't look exactly like comic characters but draw the line when race is changed. Would yourather an actor who looked the part(racially I guess) but acted like crap and didn't do the character justice or an actor who may not be the same race but embodies the characters personality and overall theme? Not saying these are the only 2 options but what would hurt your childhood heart more since apparently that's the guiding force here. Seeing your fave character portrayed inaccurately but looks somewhat like the comics(racewise) or portrayed accurately (personality etc) but black. I'm genuinely interested to know
@@jayp9881 I'm not going to waste my time responding to some hypothetical question. The fact that you can't seem to comprehend the simple point I'm making is a problem. There are lots of black characters that you can choose from. Look at the Eternals situation, you already had 1 black character and 2 females. It wasn't enough they still had to change the sex of the characters! Completely asinine. I'm a black comic book fan by the way. I want to see black super heroes but I want it done the right way.
Awesome topic. Credit to Armin for creating a space to discuss. This discussion would be IMPOSSIBLE on Grace Randolph fake site, as she will eliminate any discourse that disagrees with her.
Mad how no one in the 80s and 90s didn't care about Harvey Dent being race swapped by the great Billy Dee Williams and now decades later people don't shut up about race swaps. Would I rather that they make new and unique minority characters, yes, does that mean I care all that much if a character gets race swapped, no so long as the core tenants of the character remain the same.
While i admit that it feel strange to see a black-skinned Norman Osborn (And a black-skinned Harry Osborn while we're at it), i don't see why make a big deal it about it. It's not like he's from the MCU...even though the Show is technically Canon thanks to the Multiverse.
Stop thinking of this as race swapping. The MCU characters are not the same as the comic book characters, therefore they are whoever the writers decide to make them.
It's not a new thing, they just do it because it gets less backlash than changing the main character but its been happening for decades and its perfectly fine. Most of these characters were made back when they weren't allowed to even make black characters or they weren't allowed to be prominent. Beau needs to do some research.
Exactly you can see he has waves which is weird since it's rare for white people to have waves and he even wears a durag which shows he came out from black culture
_but its been happening for decades and its perfectly fine._ _Most of these characters were made back when they weren't allowed to even make black characters or they weren't allowed to be prominent._ ^ Explain again why the thing in the second sentence is 'perfectly fine' as per the 1st sentence. I can assure you that many people are *not* perfectly fine with it. Beau isn't.
Seriously why do go straight to Tchalla .Cyborg falcon miles and others are there and God you have white wolf this just shows that not many black characters are original they're either a legacy or have to replace
Most of the performances from those black villains were awesome. The roles didn't attack black people in a political way other than maybe Black Panther's Kilmonger. Not all the villains are black or non white either. Yet, it is not fair to pretend that sensitivity to seeing enough of them being black when so many are hearing blatant anti-black comments from people in authority and seeing out right murders of unarmed black people on video. Then, while it is good most of it isn't attacking black people politically, some of it is like the Bradleys and Kilmonger. Meanwhile, I think realistic cultural issues are played for laughs and favored by whites. Like there are a lot of black bullies like Doakes in Dexter, that creep in the first Escape Room, O-Dog from Menace to Society, and how Kenny got mean during Cobra Kai. However, that bullying is often much more deadly towards blacks and non English speaking people only enough to often make women, especially white women, horny seeing other people being harmed.
For everyone saying "lets stop race swapping period" how about lets stop caring it happens when it doesn't matter to the character. Especially when you're just looking for confirmational bias from a guy bent on nuking his career as a showrunner.
Just cuz the guy an ass hat doesn't mean what's he's saying isn't true. The amount of red heads or gingers that have been turned black for no good reason is dumb and lazy.
I take race swaps on a case by case basis. But there are hypocritical opinions all around. Many of the people who said race swaps are okay when the race doesn’t matter to a characters backstory were also outraged that Danny Rand was white. The fish out of water rich white guy being exposed to a new culture and coming to appreciate and respect it is important to Danny’s origin.
I never understood the issue... If the race doesnt matter to a characters background or storyline and they have an actor that fits the role why does it matter if the race gets swapped. Ive heard nick fury mentioned and i think thats a great start. As far as im aware his whiteness was never a main aspect of his character so when they choose an actor who isnt white and yet still embraces the role given whats the issue. For the mobs saying they hate the wokeness of just swapping away roles due to race i question if that race was ever of any importance to said character and why that attachment exists. Id agree if the race swapped character actor didnt do a good job portaying the character but my issue would then be about the writing or potentially the acting and not the fact a character was simply race swapped. Its so confusing when people are upset by an actor of a different skin color accurately portraying a character. Then it comes down to discrediting that actors performnce simply due to their race which just seems racist to me especially when the characters race never mattered to begin with. Id love to know more because i just cant wrap my head around why this matters?
Armin says others are dumb, he needs to look in the mirror. His weak example is Black Panther, when he could of said Blade, Storm or Miles Morales instead, but he chose T'Challa as he knew it would stir up his comment section. You are pathetic Armin, call me out if you like, couldn't care less.
I mean it’s animation and not canon to mcu, hasn’t even come out yet.. I would understand the concern if it was live action, and they made their character all about being that race change, or if the original is defined by the race they were changed from. Weren’t a lot of characters made when other races weren’t as mainstream as being white was? it’s the mcu… not comics we’re in a different time, im still against making everyone that’s white different just for the fucks of it. we still need most heavy hitters to be what they looked like in the comics so they’d be recognizable to readers. Do we love these characters cause of their color? Or their ambitions, actions, stories, losses, etc. we can’t just limit most characters to white actors when 61% of them are already white in the mcu, if someone does the character good and is a different race then let’s give them a chance, these characters can be familiar and new. (idk just an opinion)
I'm still confused when did anyone say that Norman Osborne was going to be race swapped they've shown trailers he looks exactly the same that is clearly a white man not to mention his son Peter Parker's best friend also a white man what the f*** are we talking about here where is this information coming from can anyone confirm or deny or show any proof or evidence that this was ever even said because every trailer I've seen has shown a white Norman Osborne that looks almost exactly like what he looked like in the comics
I'm confused they've already shown trailers and bits and pieces for the upcoming Spider-Man and Norman Osborne was not race swapped so what the f*** are we talking about? Mordo? Who fkn cares Kang was always blue never black or white he, looked Egyptian as the conquerer but looked asian as iron lad so long as cyclops stays black and storm stays asian who cares by the way wolverine is now philipino but was raised in the uk he now has a cockny accent and is 6'4....(toast to cavelrine)
I actually really dislike the race swapping people will call me racist but jokes on you because I’m Mexican, but yeah characters like ghost in the MCU I wish it was a guy or like the female swapping the one I disliked the most was taskmaster oh god why!?
@VELVETVELVENIR-7q _the race swapping people will call me racist but jokes on you because I’m Mexican,_ That's racist. lol. I alway dismiss anyone post that tries to claim credibility on the internet by false authority claims based on identity. *I'm a world famous super model, btw, so trust me on this!!* 🤣 [ie - if your ideas are valid then you don't need to hide behind irrelevant personal claims]
I really dont see the issue with Norman being a black guy in this spiderman universe. His character isnt affected by his race. And before we get the "well what if black panther was white" arguments in here, it wouldnt work because being black is central to T CHALLAs character. Now a white guy could temporarily take up the MANTLE of BP until the rightful owner returns. But tchalla can never be white or any other race. However, Norman Osborne is literally just a rich guy and somthin of a scientist-- nothing that forces him to be a white guy only. Same with Peter Parker too...nothing about his char forces him to only be a white guy. JS Those who are offended by this, makes one wonder if its truly JUST because its not "comic" accurate or does it go beyond that to the often subconscious racial bias...? If race truly doesnt matter, then whats the problem here???
@@BUDOKAIultimate3 don't make up arbitrary separations between the situations buddy. Race either matters or it doesn't and I don't care about "the story".
@tabkg5802 I'm not making up nothing. Theres a CLEAR difference when a person's race is central to their story...that goes without saying. If you don't care about the story, then we have nothing to discuss. Go somewhere.
Nothing wrong with a little race or gender swapping, as long as it works and isn't against core elements of the character. It's also funny how DeMayo intentionally leaves out non-villain and characters who weren't changed black, like several of the Eternals, Ned, Namor, Moon Knight, Werewolf By Night, Porcupine, Flash Thompson, and so on.
Lol. Comic book kids are a piece of work. You speak about the characters as if they were real people whom fictional stories are being made about. When they are really pure creations of fiction forever being retconned, and whatever you think is true of them - is almost certainly altered from an earlier version. Case in point.... Harry Osborn is originally the son of Norman Osborn. Marvel comics later made them Black. That was fine with the audience. So now - you - think of Osborn as having always been Black. Same with Magneto being Jewish. Many think he was always Jewish. There is - no - original - race - canon - for FICTIONAL characters - to which - the audience is entitled. This is what the cry bully incels can't cope with, and why they are so upset at being called out.
Finally someone's saying something about it. I get that a fiction character doesn't just have to be white when a new version of a movie or animated show comes out but it's just blatant more then ever to push the whole reduce the whiteness in media. Yes different times now but dam why not just reboot or remake every movie or cartoon and change the skin and gender of every character including the main eye sore ones that are male and white right? 😅
Ok he should shut his predator A$$ up. He been doing weird crap. Don’t race swap every character duhhh!!! But characters that we haven’t seen before on screen are open to interpretation, that doe include casting someone of a different color. But don’t gender swap (I’m looking at you WB). Isn’t Kang from comics black? But we have Jeffery Wright as Gordon and he was awesome. He has a point but to a VERY short extent. But give the characters some personality. That helps and goes a long way
are you aware that they never do that to Black characters they never do it to Black characters they only do it till only white characters when you actually swap a character you take away its originality and that's why I said that's why I say if you want to come up with new villains or new characters then come up with new villains but stopping it's annoying
"Black characters they only do it till only white characters" Crybully incel much? Apocalypse was an African character but played by 'white' guy. Magneto is a Jewish character and a holocaust victim (itself a retcon, as is most of what is called canon) but played by non jewish German (!) actor!! Ok, go back to cry bully.
It’s not because they only want to do it with villains it’s because they need diversity and friends and villains are easier to swap out because ppl will have less of a negative reaction. I really don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. I think they have a quota to fill and they want to make the least amount of waves as possible.
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Weird trend but a lot of race-swapped characters have red hair. Just something I’ve noticed.
Yeah I've seen it too but I think it's because they can't find actors or they try to push the charecter to be different because some of those are still red haired in comics
@ Just thinking about comic book characters give you a big list
@JackSlate-u8m exactly another thing is they don't know how to create og black characters most are now legacy or race swap
They don't like gingers they want them extinct
Let’s stop race swapping ANY characters
Or stop caring so much about race
@@BlankSpaceAudiostarting with the studios first
@@BlankSpaceAudioif it doesn't matter than don't change it.
They really should stop tbh! There's so many great characters that are dark-skinned.
Agreed
Weird thing is, marvel comics did it themselves, plus, it was always weird that somehow according to marvel and dc, being white have you a major advantage for gaining super powers
Weird how when they try to make it more realistic it’s somehow a problem
You are also right, and not only marvel comics. Here is the reality of it....
Most of the target audience for comic books were originally white boys - under 18.
They have specific insecurities, sexual, and racial, and the comic book super hero is their fantasy of being powerful.
Really the word for this is INCEL.
In current times - all of this has to be shared - with audiences and artists who are not white, and women as well.
This is what they don't like, and their self entitled grievance manifests in stages.
If the entire fantasy Universe cannot consist only of white males. (original Star Wars is almost a perfect example of this - and there is the Family Guy Star Wars joke this is a masterclass on taking apart incel delusion and how *FUGGED* UP it is: _I'm on a planet with two suns and NO WOMEN!_ - Luke Skywalker
So as comic books become more inclusive - to the never ending hate and frustration of incels - the stages are:
-> Give us women, but cosign them to love interest, save me girls.
-> Give us Black Brown Asian - ok but make them villains.
-> Give us gay bait (Wolverine/Deadpool) but play it off as cosplay among safely straight guys who pretend to be gay. Hence we can't have Wolverine and Deadpool kiss *ick* no, they have to keep stabbing each other in the azz instead. (again incel psychology is FUUGGGGGGED UP).
-> Give us heroes that black/brown/woman other but - but make sure they don't overshadow the white [super/man]. Captain Marvel was DOOOMED to run the hate gauntlet of incels, for whom having a woman be the most powerful character is their worst nightmare.
The incel counter argument is that they just don't want characters - swapped. But this is bullshix.
They don't want white males usurped in their fantasy Universe - that is true source of their hate.
[Hence Miles Morales, Sam Wilson, all are hated on this site by the Incels..... - Captain America isn't a character - it's a title! - and it *does not belong to white guy, sorry* ]
I'd say just quit hating on the red heads.
It would be great if Marvel and DC produced shows/movies based on their comics vs gender/race/sexuality swapping characters.
It makes people uncomfortable.
Create NEW characters and go crazy
Well we all know Nathaniel Richards (kang) is white in the comics and I believe his variants were white as well but Jonathan Majors did a DAMN GREAT JOB AS KANG AND HIS VARIANTS AND I WANTED MORE FROM HIM BUT THE COMPANY RUINED IT FOR US
I haven't followed his story but last I heard he was in court for something pretty bad so I'm not sure how it's the companies fault but everything else I agree with you on. I don't see why race swapping matters if the character in questions race never mattered to their story.
@ComicBookCast2 think what Beau is trying to say is "Stop making black people villains!", not "Stop with the race-bending in general!"
The majority of villains are white.
No, he literally said the latter.
Don't try and twist it to fit your narrative.
No , that's you rewriting what he is trying to say because you don't want to hear what he actually said.
@@BaithNa _Don't try and twist it to fit your narrative._
Thank you. Notice how 14 replied dittoed his desperate attempt to get it twisted.
I'm actually happy that he called this out. As there is a long brewing pattern in the comic books, and films, of making films more inclusive by having Black or Asian - *villains.*
This is because the same audiences that happily accept a black Lex Luthor or High Evolutionary or Electro - will wet their boy pants, if you have Black Super Man, or Adam Warlock.
They literally want a universe of white guy heroes and black, brown and yellow (Mandarin) villains.
Note: Shang Chi, gently called this out - when they mentioned how Americans managed to code their villains after a type of orange.
Iron Man 3 did too - when they made the Mandarin Ben Kinglsy - but had him pose as an Arab Coded terrorist when it was really the US government exploiting the hatred and racism of modern America. (so ironic, because that troll speaks more about America today than for example the recent non marvel "Civil War" film, or the upcoming Captain America 4 - which is intentionally vapid so as not to upset anyone).
Of course this went over the heads of many on this site, but then what doesn't, that isn't aimed at a 7 year old.
Wish they would just stick to how the characters are portrayed in the comics
It's lazy and the design is beyond stupid
Crazy how this has been public knowledge for three years, and now people are suddenly upset about it. Back when it was first announced, everyone seemed fine with it, but as soon as the trailer dropped, the usual anti-woke UA-camrs started making their videos, and now it’s a whole thing.
"Everyone seemed fine with it" this either shows that you live in an echochamber and also that amount of people who gained common sense increased. This however doesn't actually change that race swapping was and always will be re7@rd3d
Because it's not Woke. It's blackface. Calling it Woke when you define what woke is just make "anti-woke" look stupid.
Most public wasnt in touch with the details
Nerds and you tube channals were the only one covering it
The public was aware once the tralier dropped
They're reactionaries and grifters, what do you expect 🤷♂️
Most people get their movie info from trailers
Green goblin being black doesn't make sense and If he choose to delete my comment then he truly is the problem
It is stupid, we being the kindhearted individuals we are, have tolerated it in the name of affording actors work. Okay let’s make Blade white Armin? Yeah it’s stupid as hell. He’s really a Day Walker now.
The funny thing is people accepted Jessica alba as Sue storm 😂
People want representation not cheap hand outs!
Xmen were already diverse.
See
you raceswap nick fury and aquaman, nobody bats an eye
But you raceswap Norman Osborn, and everybody loses their mind
Whataboutism, not a good argument.
@@ajitbengaliargument for what?
@ajitbengali not sure how this is whataboutism....but if you say so xD
@@tabkg5802In support of race swapping.
@@ajitbengaliI agree
Hollywood and other races around the world are only ok with black people as villains but not heroes or lead rolls in marvel films and I agree with the X-men showrunner.
Those objecting to his comments, know this is true. They just don't want it spoken-out-loud and will try to *scream it down.*
Without even looking at the comments I can guess it's probably gonna be a ton of right wing virtue signaling.
Kang is blue
Kang is white dude always has been
The dude seriously needs to take a chill pill! He barely even realizes what he’s complaining about. Also not every X-men 97 decision was perfect either! He’ll get in big trouble and lose his job if he's not careful!
_The dude seriously needs to take a chill pill!_
^ Just say ouch, and *I resemble that remark.* (since you know it's true) Rather than throwing a hissy (!!!) while 'demanding' that someone else should 'chill'. 🤣
_He’ll get in big trouble and lose his job if he's not careful!_
Triggered you are. Why is that?
Umm, Beau DeMayo did lose his job.
Dude take a chill pill
He already lost his job before the show even came out cause he was a creep during production.
Please don't race swap ANY characters. Thanks.
Remember people its not because of people are racist its really because people just want the characters that they know to look exaclty how they are in the comics
My only problem is when people pick and choose when its ok to race swap like with jessica alba sue storm
Everyone accepted her and still consider her the best live action version till this day
@Igivegdparent well I guess she still somewhat kinda looked liked the character they also race change wonderman which I hate and they also race changed moon knight
@eliteghost1001 people hate wonderman character from the comments I have seen
And they do love moonknight
Jessica alba looked nothing like sue storm too me
Sue is pale white and doesn't have a tan at all in the comics😅
I think people accepted alba because she is white passing Latina even though she isn't white at all
Now im curious if Michael b Jordan was a biracial white passing black man would they have accepted him
Oh and throw in a fake blonde wig like alba??
I am black and I agree with the guy about that race swiping stuff nonsense🤦🏽♂️ like what if they made Storm a white woman ?? 😂 all Hell will broke loose lol
I'm Black, and I *don't* agree. Especially that strawman nonsense about Storm.
@@yapdog You are going to cry, are you not.
Jack is spot on here, well said mate.
Seeing Demayo did make a Character from the original X-Men 90s series Non-Binary and implies Wolverine is Bi, I question on where Demayo draws the line on Swapping
Look this is not to start some huge debate, but please understand what I’m trying to say.
I agree with what BO is saying accept for the race swapping being “funny”. (Unless he being sarcastic). What this really is, is disrespectful to us as African American people and to the AA character who we have in comics who barely get a push in their respective comic book universes. By these companies race swapping characters especially white characters and turning them black, your telling AA people that our “representation” in the comics can only be represented/validated through the use of an icon white character and then just race swapping them and then throwing it in our faces and tell us “here’s you representation”. There has been multiple ginger characters who have been race swapped and turned AA, and we are literally seeing them turn “ginger into ninjas” (if you know the offensive quote), and you guys expect us not to call out blatant disrespect/ discrimination towards gingers and AA people.
That’s the problem with modern day Marvel and DC, and when we call it out as fans we’re called bigots and racist even when it’s a AA person making these claims and trying to show and tell y’all why it’s offensive. Make original African American and other minority characters if you really want to “represent everyone”. There’s a new comic book universe called the RIPPAVERSE, ran and owned by y a man Named Eric July and he’s ding exactly that and he has been gaining success for 2 years now.
Damn I just realized all the villains changed in race are black 😯
You just noticed this? Really.
@ not trying to be a douche but yeah you read my comment
Just stop race swapping, the hypocrisy and the goal post moving on this topic is insane. Support original characters and the studios will stop recycling the same characters over and over and changing their look.
_Support original characters_
This is bs argument sence there is no 'original' character [even the concept of many of these characters predates all comics - comic books are not the bible].
There is only the version of the character you chose to accept as canon.
For example - which Cat Woman represents 'original'- Earth Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Zoe Kravitz?
According to you, only *1* of them can be Catwoman, and all others must racially resemble whichever one 'you' decide is original......
Whatever the h3ll that means.
According to you we can't have a Sam Jackson Nick Fury, or a Michael Fassbender Magneto - because the one is Black, and the other isn't Jewish????
He needs to stop being so butt hurt and move on , coming from a guy who want to make everyone gay in a show
It makes fans happy to see things adapted accurately. It’s become a trend recently to accurately depict things that were considered silly previously, like Wolverine’s yellow costume and Guy Gardner’s bowl cut. Race swapping irritates fans because it changes characters’ appearances. X-Men ‘97 is big into accurate depictions.
Obviously the argument to make Black Panther white is a stupid one but the vast majority of these race swaps aren’t inspired or creative choices at all, it is to look more diverse and get positive publicity. If you don’t like it or even state that you prefer the characters original look, you’re labeled as racist. It is a very lazy trend in the entertainment industry.
It's called race grifting.
Well if it’s as you say “just to look more diverse” then the question still stands what is it hurting? And why is it hurtful to you? It’s a fictional character they can be any color unless it’s somewhat central to their story. Perfect example that isn’t black panther is Kraven. I don’t want a race swapped kraven of any color. He has to be from the caucuses. Same with Dr Doom. But Norman Osborn who is just rich 🤷🏾♂️. If a race swapped character bothers you there are other issues.
Thank you. I agree with this. I don’t understand why people can’t see why this is offensive and just a dumb idea. Push already existing African American characters and create new ones like people are currently doing in the independent comic space.
@@almightyxay1977DEI exchanges greatness for quota’s it’s literally racism. If you don’t think racism is bad then keep hiring people based on race and sacrifice quality.
@@almightyxay1977 I’m not against it all of the time. Sometimes it works, like Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury is a good example imo. The majority of the time I prefer characters the way they were originally created and designed. Implying there are “other issues” because I’m not a fan of it is exactly the weak kind of argument I mentioned in my original comment. I don’t like uninspired or lazy changes to characters it adds nothing to the character or story. It reeks of pandering.
Comic’s have a lot of diversity and have become much more diverse in recent years as new characters are created. There isn’t an excuse that there aren’t any characters of color to add to the film roster. These companies will drop diversity in a heart beat the moment it isn’t profitable for them, they don’t care about good stories or in depth characters, they want to keep the media and vocal voices on the internet at bay.
Of course, you need to switch things up by changing a character to keep it fresh and ever evolving, Old Man Logan is a good example of that or Falcon becoming Captain America and experiencing a whole new set of social issues that Steve or Bucky never faced is an interesting story to me. Changing a characters race or gender, while adding absolutely nothing to them, is not.
This isn’t anything new. It’s been going on for years. Look at Kingpin in The Daredevil movie. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal
What about Kingpin in Daredevil.
Make Blade and Storm white then, if its not a big deal.
Good 👍🏾 keep it original and make money. Not a hard concept
Exactly man I'm so tired of race swapping it's so lazy
@@guyamedskylartaylor1514crybaby’s😂😂😂 yall ain’t say nun bout nick furry or aquaman😂
@@klydejohnson7520Whataboutism.
It's not about just the race swapping. I'm s about the amount of race swapped characters are villains.
I don't think Kang is white because on the avengers cartoon his voice was pretty deep
Rethink this one bud. White men have deep voices as well
This is the stupidest thing I've heard today. And it's 7:34 AM.
@PrimeTennyson get used to it man you live in a very small world
Agreed why does this also look at established character Ice Man now a homosexual, just create goid characters who happen to be a homosexual, Kang was always African like Apocalypse.
I am not a fan of essentially passing on titles to POC like cap, and riri. Stop giving away 'sloppy seconds' and take the time to create unique, new and interesting characters that are POC. Or, draw from the character roster form the Marvel comics. Make Falcon, War Machine more interesting by focusing more on their story rather than swapping out other established characters that are white.
Valkyrie is such an awesome character. Heimdall is very honorable and noble.
Hated by the Incels. Their are sites that specifically hate the film Endgame - because Thor gave up the thrown to Valkyrie.
I know how to solve all of this. Make black panther white in the mcu. I bet it stops after that!
1. We've already had Normon Osborne/Green Goblin in the MCU/film/dozens of shows, so who really cares if we get one version that's black?
2. None of those characters in the list Armin said are really affected by the race swap. Kang is for the majority blue, High Evolutionary is red, Electro wasn't Disney/Marvel's decision it was Fox's (so if your'e mad about that, for whatever reason, be made at those guys), and Baron Mordo isn't even white to begin with - he's asian.
1) I and anyone sane. I don't come to a marvel show to watch a random nobody who for some reason bears a name of a known character, I do it to see them as they are in the original story
2) If it doesn't matter than stay silent and don't change it. YOU bunch are the people who push this so take accountability for your actions
And lol since when race swapping an Asian acceptable? Wasn't your whole justification that "black people are under represented unlike white people"? Oh wait I forgot that we Asians are now white adjacent and are part of honorary @ry@ns lol
@@tabkg5802facts. Why do African American people need to be validated and represented in comics only if they are using an icon white character but then switch them out and make them black. It’s downright offensive and needs to stop. No other minority characters get this treatment.
Another ginger bites the dust whoo!
I dont care about the race-aspect of it. I just want comic accuracy.
No, I dont want a white Tchalla or white Blade either. I want them, as they exist in the comics and their original forms. I dont mind black actors playing or voicing characters like Silver Surfer or Kang, if they put them in white paint or a mask for the entire duration. Then the adaption isnt effected in the slightest.
But when they put the actors face front and center for a character they dont resemble at all, it breaks my suspension of disbelief and takes me out of the experience.
No, I never bought Jamie Fox as Electro, nor Majors as Kang. They are great actors, but when I see them on screen, I dont see their comic counterparts. I just see the actors playing a role.
Its literally that simple.
Yes, Marvel has a problem with black representation, but thats a different topic and its certainly not solved by raceswapping white characters.
FAX.
It’s not that simple though. An actors face is one of their biggest marketing points. Obviously there are exceptions like voice actors or Doug Jones who’s known for being buried under makeup/costumes. MCU has always shown the actors face (except fully CGI characters) so that’s why people like Captain America or Spiderman almost never have their mask on during the climax. Norman in the Spiderman show is arguably more comic accurate than Willem Dafoe because of the waves and green suit.
@@sammcfarland967 Yes. Yes it is just that simple. There is more than enough great actors out there who can properly play roles. Looking the part is an important part of acting.
"Snow White"
"Her skin was almost as white as snow"
How are you gonna pull up to me with an actress darker than my shadow and say it's peak lmao?
"Black Panther"
The dude lives in Africa, dafuq? How is you gonna come up to me with an actor lighter than a piece'o paper and say it's a decent depiction, also...
The fuck? How does the green TUX make him accurate? I get the waves but Norman wore like 9000 casuals in comic books. The fuck does his TUX being green make it accurate for?
How about a ginger Superman?
@@sammcfarland967 I mean, you're not wrong. Hate when they pull the mask off, just to show the actors face, when it doesnt match the character at all.
I dont want to see RDJs face as Doom. I want the iron mask. But im guessing we aint getting much of that, sadly.
eh, race-swapping is usually fine & inconsequential when it comes to secondary, tertiary, etc characters but when it is done to a titular character it requires an enormous amount of consideration. really though it all just depends on the story that is being told. i do have a bit of a visceral reaction to any change being made to any beloved character but then i think about it for like 2 seconds & i'm like, "oh wait, they actually change all sorts of things all the time that i don't even notice, why tf am i even noticing this? especially when it has zero impact on the story..."
People having meltdown of fiction characters 😂
damned if you do, damned if you don’t!
It doesn't matter whether or not it's a defining aspect of the character. It's the fact that people have been reading comics since they were a child, and they want to see characters that look like the characters they read in comics. Obviously, characters can't look exactly the same as they look in comic books, but race is a fundamental aspect of the character ie that's what the character looks like.
So we can accept that people generally can't look exactly like comic characters but draw the line when race is changed. Would yourather an actor who looked the part(racially I guess) but acted like crap and didn't do the character justice or an actor who may not be the same race but embodies the characters personality and overall theme? Not saying these are the only 2 options but what would hurt your childhood heart more since apparently that's the guiding force here. Seeing your fave character portrayed inaccurately but looks somewhat like the comics(racewise) or portrayed accurately (personality etc) but black. I'm genuinely interested to know
@@jayp9881 I'm not going to waste my time responding to some hypothetical question. The fact that you can't seem to comprehend the simple point I'm making is a problem. There are lots of black characters that you can choose from. Look at the Eternals situation, you already had 1 black character and 2 females. It wasn't enough they still had to change the sex of the characters! Completely asinine. I'm a black comic book fan by the way. I want to see black super heroes but I want it done the right way.
Beau can say whatever, I still won't forgive him for what he did to the staff, and to Gambit.
Same here
Awesome topic. Credit to Armin for creating a space to discuss.
This discussion would be IMPOSSIBLE on Grace Randolph fake site, as she will eliminate any discourse that disagrees with her.
Man you must be trolling now. Armin is the most one sided UA-camr, guy throws a fit when someone disagrees with him.
Mad how no one in the 80s and 90s didn't care about Harvey Dent being race swapped by the great Billy Dee Williams and now decades later people don't shut up about race swaps.
Would I rather that they make new and unique minority characters, yes, does that mean I care all that much if a character gets race swapped, no so long as the core tenants of the character remain the same.
Dean Cain for black panther
Well think about it white people being racists to a white charecter yeah that's believable
I'm outraged that how Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man is treating Norman Osborn.
He going to the bad guy either way. There nothing new.
@@dragonhead99Rename him The N€GRO GOBLIN instead of Green Goblin 😂
Don't worry my incoming black people crybabies IM A N !GGA TOO😂
Who cares what he thinks? He should be in jail
While i admit that it feel strange to see a black-skinned Norman Osborn (And a black-skinned Harry Osborn while we're at it), i don't see why make a big deal it about it. It's not like he's from the MCU...even though the Show is technically Canon thanks to the Multiverse.
GIVE ME A BLACK PROFESSOR X & A MEXICAN MAGNETIC 💪🏾
MAKE CYCLOPS DOMINICAN , BUT FROM NEW YORK SO HE CANT SPEAK GOOD SPANISH
Stop thinking of this as race swapping. The MCU characters are not the same as the comic book characters, therefore they are whoever the writers decide to make them.
It's not a new thing, they just do it because it gets less backlash than changing the main character but its been happening for decades and its perfectly fine. Most of these characters were made back when they weren't allowed to even make black characters or they weren't allowed to be prominent.
Beau needs to do some research.
Exactly you can see he has waves which is weird since it's rare for white people to have waves and he even wears a durag which shows he came out from black culture
_but its been happening for decades and its perfectly fine._
_Most of these characters were made back when they weren't allowed to even make black characters or they weren't allowed to be prominent._
^ Explain again why the thing in the second sentence is 'perfectly fine' as per the 1st sentence.
I can assure you that many people are *not* perfectly fine with it. Beau isn't.
It's stupid! Jonathan Majors really pulled off the character. It should be the weigh in the ability to play out the chacter.
I really don't care about race swapping you can race swap characters that don't matter and leave the characters alone that do matter
If that's the case, what about Nick Fury? Ugh. I think dude is just bitter.
This guy can’t keep his mouth shut, but after being fired who can blame him?
Has nothing to lose. He sure hit you where you live. I'm glad he is speaking up. He's right.
@ I like to believe that.
Imaginary wakanda is in imaginary Africa in the imaginary 616 therefore we can’t race swap Black panther. Got it! Highly intellectual argument.
But it's based on real African countries and its known as an African isolationist country
Stay in school, kid
Seriously why do go straight to Tchalla .Cyborg falcon miles and others are there and God you have white wolf this just shows that not many black characters are original they're either a legacy or have to replace
@@BaithNa and Norman is based on predominantly white capitalist culture.
Stay in school kid
@@BaithNaso, its still fictional. I say its about time for a gypsy black panther and an asian blade
@@BaithNa You do realize that some African countries have white populations too right, you do get that.
White black panther is from the multiverse, easy answer.
In couple of months he’s going be on a PODCAST and going to start Pandering to Right-wing . This away happen to ppl who has fallen or failed careers
It seems like he's mad about something
While Beau make a good case, it's obvious he's trying save face by shitting Disney after his co workers called him a creep 😅
Hes not wrong tho
Most of the performances from those black villains were awesome. The roles didn't attack black people in a political way other than maybe Black Panther's Kilmonger. Not all the villains are black or non white either. Yet, it is not fair to pretend that sensitivity to seeing enough of them being black when so many are hearing blatant anti-black comments from people in authority and seeing out right murders of unarmed black people on video. Then, while it is good most of it isn't attacking black people politically, some of it is like the Bradleys and Kilmonger. Meanwhile, I think realistic cultural issues are played for laughs and favored by whites. Like there are a lot of black bullies like Doakes in Dexter, that creep in the first Escape Room, O-Dog from Menace to Society, and how Kenny got mean during Cobra Kai. However, that bullying is often much more deadly towards blacks and non English speaking people only enough to often make women, especially white women, horny seeing other people being harmed.
yeah and people are outraged that YFNSM is treating norman osborn
For everyone saying "lets stop race swapping period" how about lets stop caring it happens when it doesn't matter to the character. Especially when you're just looking for confirmational bias from a guy bent on nuking his career as a showrunner.
Just cuz the guy an ass hat doesn't mean what's he's saying isn't true. The amount of red heads or gingers that have been turned black for no good reason is dumb and lazy.
I take race swaps on a case by case basis. But there are hypocritical opinions all around. Many of the people who said race swaps are okay when the race doesn’t matter to a characters backstory were also outraged that Danny Rand was white. The fish out of water rich white guy being exposed to a new culture and coming to appreciate and respect it is important to Danny’s origin.
^ The story itself, the one you like is a racist cliche. This was best exposed by Get Out. (a masterpiece)
@@summertyme5748that movie is stereotypical trash
Is this armin pushing against… THE WOKE?!
I never understood the issue... If the race doesnt matter to a characters background or storyline and they have an actor that fits the role why does it matter if the race gets swapped. Ive heard nick fury mentioned and i think thats a great start. As far as im aware his whiteness was never a main aspect of his character so when they choose an actor who isnt white and yet still embraces the role given whats the issue.
For the mobs saying they hate the wokeness of just swapping away roles due to race i question if that race was ever of any importance to said character and why that attachment exists. Id agree if the race swapped character actor didnt do a good job portaying the character but my issue would then be about the writing or potentially the acting and not the fact a character was simply race swapped. Its so confusing when people are upset by an actor of a different skin color accurately portraying a character. Then it comes down to discrediting that actors performnce simply due to their race which just seems racist to me especially when the characters race never mattered to begin with. Id love to know more because i just cant wrap my head around why this matters?
Armin says others are dumb, he needs to look in the mirror. His weak example is Black Panther, when he could of said Blade, Storm or Miles Morales instead, but he chose T'Challa as he knew it would stir up his comment section. You are pathetic Armin, call me out if you like, couldn't care less.
What about Wonder man, Hamdall, Valkyrie, and MJ.
I mean it’s animation and not canon to mcu, hasn’t even come out yet.. I would understand the concern if it was live action, and they made their character all about being that race change, or if the original is defined by the race they were changed from. Weren’t a lot of characters made when other races weren’t as mainstream as being white was? it’s the mcu… not comics we’re in a different time, im still against making everyone that’s white different just for the fucks of it. we still need most heavy hitters to be what they looked like in the comics so they’d be recognizable to readers. Do we love these characters cause of their color? Or their ambitions, actions, stories, losses, etc. we can’t just limit most characters to white actors when 61% of them are already white in the mcu, if someone does the character good and is a different race then let’s give them a chance, these characters can be familiar and new. (idk just an opinion)
I'm still confused when did anyone say that Norman Osborne was going to be race swapped they've shown trailers he looks exactly the same that is clearly a white man not to mention his son Peter Parker's best friend also a white man what the f*** are we talking about here where is this information coming from can anyone confirm or deny or show any proof or evidence that this was ever even said because every trailer I've seen has shown a white Norman Osborne that looks almost exactly like what he looked like in the comics
Brother what show are you talking about?
I'm confused they've already shown trailers and bits and pieces for the upcoming Spider-Man and Norman Osborne was not race swapped so what the f*** are we talking about? Mordo? Who fkn cares Kang was always blue never black or white he, looked Egyptian as the conquerer but looked asian as iron lad so long as cyclops stays black and storm stays asian who cares by the way wolverine is now philipino but was raised in the uk he now has a cockny accent and is 6'4....(toast to cavelrine)
Okay, if that's the case then let's Ryan Gosling play Black Panther.
@@ajitbengali Ryan gosling don’t got the skills to😂
@@klydejohnson7520Keep laughing jabroni.
@ajitbengali how can white people be racists to a white person if he was any other race it would be better because you can explain
@VELVETVELVENIR-7q ?
I actually really dislike the race swapping people will call me racist but jokes on you because I’m Mexican, but yeah characters like ghost in the MCU I wish it was a guy or like the female swapping the one I disliked the most was taskmaster oh god why!?
Why does being Mexican stop you from being racist like some black people are racists to white people and people call them out
@VELVETVELVENIR-7q _the race swapping people will call me racist but jokes on you because I’m Mexican,_
That's racist. lol. I alway dismiss anyone post that tries to claim credibility on the internet by false authority claims based on identity.
*I'm a world famous super model, btw, so trust me on this!!* 🤣
[ie - if your ideas are valid then you don't need to hide behind irrelevant personal claims]
_ghost in the MCU I wish it was a guy_
Why?
he is going full ray risher
I really dont see the issue with Norman being a black guy in this spiderman universe.
His character isnt affected by his race.
And before we get the "well what if black panther was white" arguments in here, it wouldnt work because being black is central to T CHALLAs character.
Now a white guy could temporarily take up the MANTLE of BP until the rightful owner returns. But tchalla can never be white or any other race.
However, Norman Osborne is literally just a rich guy and somthin of a scientist-- nothing that forces him to be a white guy only. Same with Peter Parker too...nothing about his char forces him to only be a white guy. JS
Those who are offended by this, makes one wonder if its truly JUST because its not "comic" accurate or does it go beyond that to the often subconscious racial bias...?
If race truly doesnt matter, then whats the problem here???
Ginger lives matter.
@@BUDOKAIultimate3 don't make up arbitrary separations between the situations buddy. Race either matters or it doesn't and I don't care about "the story".
@tabkg5802 I'm not making up nothing.
Theres a CLEAR difference when a person's race is central to their story...that goes without saying.
If you don't care about the story, then we have nothing to discuss.
Go somewhere.
We should make spidermans costume completely green as well since comic acuracy means nothing, and always wanted his suit to be completely green
Nothing wrong with a little race or gender swapping, as long as it works and isn't against core elements of the character. It's also funny how DeMayo intentionally leaves out non-villain and characters who weren't changed black, like several of the Eternals, Ned, Namor, Moon Knight, Werewolf By Night, Porcupine, Flash Thompson, and so on.
Moon knight is still white
@@MKVlogs-oo7tw White passing.
Thank you for not being a doofus
This guy comic cast is two racist and two simple minded to have a race conversation literally.
You forgot abt nick fury 🤣😭
FAH Q. STOP changing their backgrounds!
Daredevil
Wait Osborne ain’t black?
Lol. Comic book kids are a piece of work. You speak about the characters as if they were real people whom fictional stories are being made about. When they are really pure creations of fiction forever being retconned, and whatever you think is true of them - is almost certainly altered from an earlier version.
Case in point.... Harry Osborn is originally the son of Norman Osborn. Marvel comics later made them Black. That was fine with the audience.
So now - you - think of Osborn as having always been Black.
Same with Magneto being Jewish. Many think he was always Jewish.
There is - no - original - race - canon - for FICTIONAL characters - to which - the audience is entitled.
This is what the cry bully incels can't cope with, and why they are so upset at being called out.
@ did they really make Osborn black? I was jk he just always had them sick ass waves as long as I can remember 😂
Finally someone's saying something about it. I get that a fiction character doesn't just have to be white when a new version of a movie or animated show comes out but it's just blatant more then ever to push the whole reduce the whiteness in media. Yes different times now but dam why not just reboot or remake every movie or cartoon and change the skin and gender of every character including the main eye sore ones that are male and white right? 😅
Daredevil trailer is out
Quit altering originals. Create new characters.problem solved.
Except Kang The Conqueror Please
Ok he should shut his predator A$$ up. He been doing weird crap. Don’t race swap every character duhhh!!! But characters that we haven’t seen before on screen are open to interpretation, that doe include casting someone of a different color. But don’t gender swap (I’m looking at you WB). Isn’t Kang from comics black? But we have Jeffery Wright as Gordon and he was awesome. He has a point but to a VERY short extent. But give the characters some personality. That helps and goes a long way
Gone woke
He’s right, finally someone spoke up about it
are you aware that they never do that to Black characters they never do it to Black characters they only do it till only white characters when you actually swap a character you take away its originality and that's why I said that's why I say if you want to come up with new villains or new characters then come up with new villains but stopping it's annoying
"Black characters they only do it till only white characters"
Crybully incel much?
Apocalypse was an African character but played by 'white' guy.
Magneto is a Jewish character and a holocaust victim (itself a retcon, as is most of what is called canon) but played by non jewish German (!) actor!!
Ok, go back to cry bully.
Did anyone got outraged when they race swapped Jim Gordon in matt reeves batman.
Not outraged, but I dont see Jim when he is on screen. At all. He is a great actor, but hes not Jim.
@@muhdshafiq2523 yes actually. That's the worst part of the movie
As for the green goblin the man has waves white man don't have that type of hair
With how many times I have seen the ninja turtles change now, I can't care anymore.
It dumb talk stop racism swot hurt character likes blue Beatle green lantern jon the flash red head wife Linda she Asians helped
Comic book cas 2 dumb talk
Tbf, Osborn been appropriating black culture for decades!! We see them waves on your head, Norman! You not slick! 🤣🤣
Are you braindead?
Exactly
It’s not because they only want to do it with villains it’s because they need diversity and friends and villains are easier to swap out because ppl will have less of a negative reaction. I really don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. I think they have a quota to fill and they want to make the least amount of waves as possible.
De mayo😂 not di myo
WOKE!! 🤬🤬
Triggered. 🤣
Shut up