CEASE AND DESIST. I NEVER THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

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  • @MagdaRantanplan
    @MagdaRantanplan 3 роки тому +776

    You know you've made it as a cheese maker if you get a "Cheese and Desist" from the cheese mafia.

    • @listinglazily
      @listinglazily 3 роки тому +10

      I am not ashamed to say this comment made me guffaw.

    • @Snoverseer
      @Snoverseer 2 роки тому +9

      Does cheese lore go this deep?

    • @PumpkinPails
      @PumpkinPails Рік тому +6

      Not “cheese and desist”! 💀

    • @elise205
      @elise205 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Snoverseercheese is one of the great conflicts between European countries that exists today. You best believe that here in Europe we take cheese SERIOUSLY, and that yes, ridiculous though it is, cheese lore does go this deep. It's absolutely absurd tbh, I mean it's only cheese. Sure it's delicious and adds something to almost any meal but like. It's cheese. It doesn't need a mafia.

    • @Snoverseer
      @Snoverseer 9 місяців тому +1

      Holy crap cheese lore does go this deep

  • @GlenAndFriendsCooking
    @GlenAndFriendsCooking 3 роки тому +1637

    Makes me want to make a Grana Padano style cheese on my channel...

    • @vladdx
      @vladdx 3 роки тому +23

      Go ahead as long as you don't claim it tastes like Grana Padano just like Gavin said in his tasting video which caused the Cease and Desist letter.

    • @VandrothSoryn
      @VandrothSoryn 3 роки тому +17

      All Foodtube should make it!

    • @GlenAndFriendsCooking
      @GlenAndFriendsCooking 3 роки тому +93

      @@VandrothSoryn blanket UA-cam with grano padano style cheese recipes.

    • @vexbomer
      @vexbomer 3 роки тому +13

      Do it glen!!

    • @pollythefarmer9246
      @pollythefarmer9246 3 роки тому +3

      Geez,Canadians love talking a big game. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that this will not happen.

  • @emmabroughton2039
    @emmabroughton2039 3 роки тому +488

    I propose Gavin's version to be named GRAINY PADAINY, which is a completely different cheese to Grana Padano.

  • @GenScinmore
    @GenScinmore 3 роки тому +611

    Sad, but also must be satisfying as you said you got so close they got scared. A testament to your skill as a cheesemaker.

    • @cinemaparadiso5402
      @cinemaparadiso5402 3 роки тому +14

      We need to boycott Grana Padano cheese 🧀🍕 ..let's teach them the American way! & make companies & industries think twice before doing sh,it like this!

    • @lognomodeimeme
      @lognomodeimeme 3 роки тому +10

      @@cinemaparadiso5402 well, it's the americans who are bringing protectionism in world markets even though you claim to deploy "free market"

    • @cinemaparadiso5402
      @cinemaparadiso5402 3 роки тому +7

      @@lognomodeimeme Well,.. America's foreign and internal policies are ALL about GLOBAL Zionism and Zionists Masonic interests .. the American people are all about work, sports and alcohol ..However, as my great-grandma always said: "Just 'cause you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you gotta do po.rn." but I am NOT hung! .. Any other questions?

    • @costakeith9048
      @costakeith9048 3 роки тому +2

      @@lognomodeimeme Protectionism is a different matter entirely; PDO's are generally not enforceable in the US, it's a European fetish.

    • @neuralwarp
      @neuralwarp 3 роки тому

      The American Whey.
      But don't you mean Ossie?

  • @psilla69
    @psilla69 3 роки тому +496

    If I were you, I would print the email, frame it and hang it on my wall. Consider it a trophy. Your a threat to Grana Padano. Shows how good a cheese maker you are.

    • @ShockingPikachu
      @ShockingPikachu 3 роки тому +9

      Somehow some Australian guy making cheese in his kitchen is a threat to these people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @gmal619
    @gmal619 3 роки тому +286

    You made it onto the "Grana Padano" wiki page under "Controversy." As the P.T. Barnum said, "There is no such thing as bad publicity!"

    • @chouseification
      @chouseification 3 роки тому +11

      that has been zapped (you can see it in old versions tab) how rude! There has been somebody adding it and some user named Vaselineeeeeeeee who keeps deleting it. Bah, humbug.

  • @Theoldindie
    @Theoldindie 10 місяців тому +17

    Im watching this 2 years later and your video on Grana Padano "style" cheese is still on YT . .
    You must have won! 😂

  • @theclumsycookingmexican6934
    @theclumsycookingmexican6934 3 роки тому +134

    Let's stand with Gavin! Don't let those "legal" companies bully you

  • @schnitzngiggles9785
    @schnitzngiggles9785 3 роки тому +1051

    Cheese and desist.

  • @lawfulmasses
    @lawfulmasses 3 роки тому +1293

    There's something called "trademark fair use". Comparing your recipe to a brand shouldn't offend actual trademark law. I'll have a video or livestream on it tomorrow.

    • @lawfulmasses
      @lawfulmasses 3 роки тому +42

      I don't know about the rest of the world, but here's US law on it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law)

    • @RonsarLo
      @RonsarLo 3 роки тому +13

      Looking forward to it! 😊

    • @shawnmiller4781
      @shawnmiller4781 3 роки тому +7

      I was going to email you To see if you could do something about this situation, I lol forward to your analysis

    • @kenalebla
      @kenalebla 3 роки тому +7

      I was wondering about that. I know tm laws are complicated, but I'd think the s and d is more bark than bite. Looking forward to your video!

    • @Binchaloo
      @Binchaloo 3 роки тому +5

      Do all countries have this law

  • @lightbox617
    @lightbox617 3 роки тому +5

    I once got a "cease and desist" order from the management company of a large (560 unit) build where I was renting. I had been distributing information about tenant's rights. I had distributed educational and informative materials to each of the 560 units and dropped off copies to the office of the manager. In return, I wrote my own letter showing them NJ citations of case law and statutes supporting my right to distribute information to tenants I was hoping that the management company would pursue the issue as they were so obviously in the wrong. The thing is, they hoped and expected that they could intimidate anyone.

  • @ajshell2
    @ajshell2 3 роки тому +74

    If you need a silver lining for this, know that this controversy is the only reason I ever found out about you. I subscribed for this. I can't wait to see your other cheese videos.

  • @Convescation
    @Convescation 3 роки тому +1488

    Imagine being so good at making cheese, that you get targeted

    • @moroteseoinage
      @moroteseoinage 3 роки тому +14

      Legend say he’s been making cheese since the beginning of time

    • @justinfletcher8816
      @justinfletcher8816 3 роки тому +5

      cheese god

    • @BlackMilkSleep
      @BlackMilkSleep 3 роки тому +6

      Daniel Hostetler Not necessarily. Sending a C/D allows him to fail to meet their demands, which they would use to prove he was operating in bad faith to get monetary compensation in court. If YT simply took down his video they would be unable to sue for damages.

    • @maymay5600
      @maymay5600 3 роки тому +1

      i guess he was pissing off the wrong italians so much

    • @shawnmiller4781
      @shawnmiller4781 3 роки тому +3

      Bullseye Padang.... new name for the cheese

  • @bigbadbovine
    @bigbadbovine 3 роки тому +116

    I'd talk to a lawyer before complying. You aren't doing any trade for the trademark to apply.

  • @KnightReav3r
    @KnightReav3r 3 роки тому +82

    I don't know how I got here but I guess I'm a member of the cheese revolution now. Down with the consortium!

  • @IronTiger
    @IronTiger 3 роки тому +68

    I look forward to watching your "Granny Pedantic" cheese video.

  • @pepperoni-prepper
    @pepperoni-prepper 3 роки тому +528

    just call your version of the cheese Gavino pedantico cheeso

    • @joho0
      @joho0 3 роки тому +30

      That's not a bad name. I was thinking my first choice, "Giorgio Lombardi has a prolapsed anus" is just too wordy.

    • @pepperoni-prepper
      @pepperoni-prepper 3 роки тому +1

      @@joho0 lol

    • @RandyBroderick
      @RandyBroderick 3 роки тому +8

      I was thinking "Grand Piano" cheese...

    • @Antiluls
      @Antiluls 3 роки тому

      make sure to bolden the pedantic part... and maybe mmake it size 100.... and maybe in red.

    • @SomnoNaut
      @SomnoNaut 3 роки тому +2

      @@RandyBroderick Also, register a PDO of EVERYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT THE GRANA PEDANO area of Italy for your cheese to be made and then you are in the clear.

  • @mohammedbabaki1534
    @mohammedbabaki1534 3 роки тому +257

    I hope you repost it with “1 year hard Italian style” dubbed over. I had a vegan gelato company send me a cease and desist for my vegan cheese company’s name... it’s always 100% fear driven. Keep doing what you do, love the videos man!

    • @tommihommi1
      @tommihommi1 3 роки тому +14

      Considering that grana padano that you can actually buy in stores mostly is just a worse, less flavorful parmigiano reggiano, I would suggest dubbing over "parmesan like cheese"
      Apparently the consortium sent a Cease and Desist to a Soap Opera where a character claimed Grana Padano was poor man's parmesan lol

    • @Imthefake
      @Imthefake 3 роки тому +2

      @@tommihommi1 as someone who lives in padania i had my pitchfork out, you saved yourself with the you can actually buy in stores

    • @tommihommi1
      @tommihommi1 3 роки тому +1

      @@Imthefake it's just that the restrictions on what you can call Parmigiano Reggiano are a lot more strict, so the worst Parm is a lot better than the worst Grana Padano.

    • @HextorBane
      @HextorBane 3 роки тому

      You should receive a CaD letter just because you produce vegan shit :D

  • @jocec820
    @jocec820 3 роки тому +66

    You should call it "The Series of Cheeses that shall not be named"

    • @BC-vg3zf
      @BC-vg3zf 3 роки тому +11

      Moldymort

    • @cardiacjunkie
      @cardiacjunkie 3 роки тому

      @@BC-vg3zf That made me lol for real. Brilliant!!! 😂

  • @BatesonBen
    @BatesonBen 3 роки тому +16

    You can only imagine that you got the Cease and Desist because absolutely nail their recipe, so well done, and thanks!!

  • @lithium
    @lithium 3 роки тому +46

    I hope nobody pulls down the video between now and sunday and rehosts it 1000s of times in a stunning demonstration of the streisand effect. That would be terrible.

  • @mr_roo
    @mr_roo 3 роки тому +208

    IP lawyer here, tell em to get stuffed! You're not using their trademark as a trademark, and you're perfectly entitled to describe how to make any kind of cheese you like, unless the cheese is patented (which they don't mention and I very much doubt). Let em threaten - they are purely bluffing.

    • @TonyWeirPD
      @TonyWeirPD 3 роки тому +26

      That was my take also. As I understand the law, PDO applies only to products placed on the market. It does not apply to descriptions of how those products are made. If they did, then (say) Discovery Channel documentaries about cheesemaking wouldn't get made.

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 3 роки тому +13

      @@TonyWeirPD thank you, the whole point of the PDO is to protect their market. A video on a website explicitly stating that a cheese isn't the same as the PDO cheese and not selling the cheese, there's no way that could be construed as violating whatever kind of agreement Australia has with the EU as if it did 1) the precedent it would set would be insane, and 2) it's completely against the spirit of the 'inherited' law anyways.

    • @Galf506
      @Galf506 2 роки тому +1

      They can still get you for using the name, you can't claim your cheese is Grana Padano. It's a protected NAME not just product.

    • @alexibz2
      @alexibz2 2 роки тому +6

      @@Galf506 he didn't call his cheese Grana Padana,and is not marketing itso no they can't,

    • @markobighead3173
      @markobighead3173 2 роки тому +5

      You can't really patent a food anyway. If someone wants to reverse engineer how a food is made, they can. You can't monopolise a food and anyone who tries to would be laughed at and launched out of any courtroom where they try to defend this idea no matter what trademark designation they've been granted. This premise is even more laughable when it's not even a recipe but simply a modification of a single ingredient.
      If I wanted to make a three tiered burger with a special sauce or a fried chicken using eleven different herbs and spices, I'm allowed to. Food companies copy each other's formats and basic premise of their recipes all the time. You can't patent a food. It will never hold up in court. All you can trademark is brand names.

  • @_Glutton_
    @_Glutton_ 3 роки тому +141

    Had a good laugh at "How to create counterfeit replicas of cheese"
    What a joke

  • @st8pl8guy
    @st8pl8guy 3 роки тому +39

    So make a "Grana Padano" style cheese, but name it "Grando Piano" ;-)

    • @Ohgivemeabreak
      @Ohgivemeabreak 3 роки тому +5

      You think cheese lawyers are bad. You don’t want the piano lawyers after you

    • @erinobrien8408
      @erinobrien8408 2 роки тому +1

      👏🥳😂😆🤣😂

  • @Psi105
    @Psi105 3 роки тому +388

    It's extremely common for law firms to send CnD letters knowing they have no case and have no intention to go through with any legal action. Scaring normal people into doing things using official legal documents is a common legal tactic.
    If it was me, I would either
    * Leave video up but change title to 'NOT MAKING GRANA PADANO'. Then send a reply back saying they obviously didn't actually watch the video because it was explicitly stated in the first 30 seconds of the video that the cheese made was NOT GRANA PADANO.
    **OR**
    * Take the current version down then edit a new version where any written or verbal references are dubbed over to be "NOT GRANA PADANO BY ORDER OF THE CHEESE PROTECTION CONSORTIUM"
    (Or "by order of the cheese police", might be funnier)
    Then add a short intro to the new vid drawing negative attention to the consortium for what they did
    . And be sure to keep the real name in the youtube keyword search list so it comes up in searches.

    • @saphiral8203
      @saphiral8203 3 роки тому +11

      That would be funny!

    • @dexterne
      @dexterne 3 роки тому +17

      This! And do an extra crappy job over dubbing it.

    • @Psi105
      @Psi105 3 роки тому +1

      @@dexterne yeah

    • @blademansw
      @blademansw 3 роки тому +2

      And then refer them to the UK Court case of Arkell vs Pressdram

    • @krawford
      @krawford 3 роки тому

      Please do this.

  • @redbeard36
    @redbeard36 3 роки тому +259

    They’re wrong and this wouldn’t stand up in court. They’re trolling you. This firm sounds similiar to patent trolls

    • @StCreed
      @StCreed 3 роки тому +12

      All types of IP lawyer are similar rodents.

    • @youngbucksbbq7819
      @youngbucksbbq7819 3 роки тому +2

      Yes you are 100% correct

    • @GMSA59
      @GMSA59 3 роки тому +3

      There's a point, contact the company directly and ask if they have a problem before you do anything., from a marketing perspective, I would think they would be happy you are advertising their product for them, I use myself as an example, never tried it, will by it.

    • @savnetsinn_original
      @savnetsinn_original 3 роки тому +3

      Unfortunately, this probably would stand in court and you can easily research cases in which even the "evocation" or unintentional suggestion that some product is a PDO product constitutes a prohibited action. The PDO system is taken seriously in Europe and while the vast majority of publicity around it tends to involve wines, producers who've obtained a protected designation will fight to keep it enforced.
      That said, I agree that whether or not it's a legally-valid case is completely past the real issue, which is just this consortium flexing its muscles at Gav for doing nothing but fostering a love for these products. I don't have the space to make cheese in my flat so I don't, but I know whenever I watch one of Gav's videos I pop down to the shops to find the closest commercial representative I can. It might be a while before I give the Consorzio di Grana Padano any more of my money, after this stunt.

    • @johnlshilling1446
      @johnlshilling1446 2 роки тому +1

      And bill collectors.

  • @danielgogola
    @danielgogola 3 роки тому +8

    You're a humble man Gavin. I respect your patience

  • @loganq5152
    @loganq5152 3 роки тому

    Who here would never have known about Grana Padano if it weren't for this channel? They should be supporting Gavin for getting people excited about cheese

  • @YllwNinja82
    @YllwNinja82 3 роки тому +134

    "Nice cheese channel you have there....be a shame if something 'happened' to it!" - Italian Cheese Mafia

    • @GavinWebber
      @GavinWebber  3 роки тому +24

      LOL

    • @selfbiased1860
      @selfbiased1860 3 роки тому +3

      "How many wheels of this 'Grando Padoono?' you got around here?"
      "three hundred forty seven."
      *sucks teeth* "Be a shame if someone set fire to them." -Luigi Vercotti, probably.

    • @bradybrapples
      @bradybrapples 3 роки тому +1

      funny thing is the mob is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay into the italian food export market
      spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/mafia-reason-why-olive-oil-quality-is-bad
      www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-agromafia-food-fraud/

    • @maymay5600
      @maymay5600 3 роки тому +1

      the actual italians got so mad they decided to take action, lol, i still couldn't find some angry italian comments

    • @wirelesmike73
      @wirelesmike73 3 роки тому

      @avery swangoo Video proof, or it never happened. O_o
      No cred for fake, pumpkin-spiced fascism. lol

  • @Psi105
    @Psi105 3 роки тому +10

    It's pretty likely someone who makes GRANA PADANO saw your video and reported it to the consortium who then forward it to their lawyers. And the lawyers said...
    "We can't get that video taken down. He stated outright that it's not grana padano cheese in the first 30 seconds however we can try scare him into taking it down himself with a CnD letter"
    Apple's lawyers did a very similar thing to Louis Rossmann on youtube for showing macbook electrical repair schematics and how to replace a fuse. Louis replied saying "No, if you want the video taken down then file a DCMA takedown notice so it's public and on record" He never heard back from Apple.

  • @EdensSecret1
    @EdensSecret1 3 роки тому +9

    Exactly what I thought, you must have really nailed it to get that cease and desist.

  • @cathwarman5502
    @cathwarman5502 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for giving us these recipes. No, I don’t think you overstepped the mark in making or giving us this cheese recipe. I also agree with you, you must have got very close to making their cheese. You do a great job, don’t stop making cheese and putting it on UA-cam.

  • @georgeprout42
    @georgeprout42 3 роки тому +45

    They've obviously never heard of the Streisand effect. It quickly went from being a video I hadn't watched to one I have saved locally as an MP4 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @abebeaku8369
      @abebeaku8369 3 роки тому

      me too

    • @ShadowVipers
      @ShadowVipers 3 роки тому +1

      Any chance I could get a copy?

    • @PoeLemic
      @PoeLemic 3 роки тому

      @@ShadowVipers Same here. Could I get a copy? I'd like to learn how to make some cheeses like this.

  • @RobsAquaponics
    @RobsAquaponics 3 роки тому +447

    I'd take it as a -complaint- *_Compliment_* Gavin. 😉😁
    Cheers mate.

    • @MrBarlien
      @MrBarlien 3 роки тому +7

      compliment?

    • @RobsAquaponics
      @RobsAquaponics 3 роки тому +3

      ​@@MrBarlien That he was very close to their recipe. 😉👍

    • @JosiahMcCarthy
      @JosiahMcCarthy 3 роки тому +2

      @@RobsAquaponics they were pointing out your typo.

    • @RobsAquaponics
      @RobsAquaponics 3 роки тому +6

      @@JosiahMcCarthy 🤣🤣 just shows how dodgy my eyes are getting. Will fix it when I get back on the computer.
      Cheers

    • @RobsAquaponics
      @RobsAquaponics 3 роки тому +2

      Sorted. 👍

  • @aherrns1894
    @aherrns1894 2 роки тому +2

    It can be produced only in the region of Padania. If not it's just sparkling milk curd.

  • @Shadowseer7930
    @Shadowseer7930 3 роки тому +3

    Never seen a video of yours before until I saw this in my recommended but now I can't wait to start watching how to make cheese thanks internet

  • @cambo1200
    @cambo1200 3 роки тому +299

    I say it’s better to ask forgiveness than Parmesan.

  • @johnnymarzouka
    @johnnymarzouka 3 роки тому +31

    Hello im from the zone where grana padano can be produced I'm taking your side on this just to let you know some padani are good people too ❤️

  • @raadizon3442
    @raadizon3442 3 роки тому +2

    A facebook article brought me here. Subscribed.

  • @robertfiorini2061
    @robertfiorini2061 3 роки тому +3

    Gavin perhaps you should ask for a letter on their Letterhead sent to you at your local post office "registered" as you wish to take legal advice and require formal notification (given how many scammers reside on the web). Love the channel keep up the great work.

  • @markrandall8216
    @markrandall8216 3 роки тому +57

    They tried your recipe and it was better…😂

  • @amyp8162
    @amyp8162 3 роки тому +152

    Next time you make that cheese, call it Banno Bodanno cheese. And tell them to suck a fat curd

    • @cheree6611
      @cheree6611 3 роки тому +2

      Hahaha!

    • @alejandrochavezbarrera7448
      @alejandrochavezbarrera7448 3 роки тому +2

      This is the way, make your cheese and rename it, send me a link when you do it! Please

    • @ckm-mkc
      @ckm-mkc 3 роки тому

      Or just call it the Giorgio Lombardi Pendendantico

  • @godbluffvdgg
    @godbluffvdgg 3 роки тому

    Sounds like an inhouse Barrister, with little or nothing to do, trying to shake you up! Bless their little Black hearts!

  • @tamarastacey9399
    @tamarastacey9399 3 роки тому

    You are a valuable teacher, you help to teach people to be self-reliant. It's just a big company trying to keep the people dependent on them & you have done nothing wrong

  • @bartomand3681
    @bartomand3681 3 роки тому +101

    You know you've made it when...

    • @oz_jones
      @oz_jones 3 роки тому +3

      Big Parma at it again!

  • @austink6447
    @austink6447 3 роки тому +225

    I agree with you; they are probably butt hurt that you just figured out their recipe and are threatening their cheese monopoly! I know who I won’t be buying cheese from now!

    • @noneofbizorjuliejt6466
      @noneofbizorjuliejt6466 3 роки тому +3

      I was thinking the same thing! I will never buy from Grand Pernono lol. Came across as bullies to me. Exspecialky when he said repeatedly that is was like GP but it was not GP.

    • @SirWussiePants
      @SirWussiePants 3 роки тому +7

      No, they are required to protect their property or the rights are lost. it is a legal thing. Just as Champagne can only come from Champagne in France and thus we are required to call other wines "sparkling wine". If companies do not fight to protect their rights those rights become undefendable. In Wine there are substitute names for those styles. Dunno if the same is true in cheese, but if not it should be. If you called your soda "Pepsi" or "Pepsi style" they would fight you too.

    • @IdahoLivin
      @IdahoLivin 3 роки тому +4

      @@SirWussiePants I want to poke so many holes in your statement, but it's not worth arguing with a random person on the Internet over something so trivial. Yet, I feel so compelled to say something at the very least. So this is it.

    • @ethandavis7310
      @ethandavis7310 3 роки тому +6

      @@SirWussiePants It is fair that given they want to keep their property rights, then it makes sense that they are acting in the way that they did. However, if you're willingly working to protect Italy's dumbass rights to keep the name of a "Cheese Style," that is so obviously (given Gavin's spot on recipe) easily replicable from anywhere in the world, by using your power to undermine the livelyhood of a small home cheesemaker who clearly told his audience that his product was not genuine, then you are a bully and an asshole. Getting bogged down in the technicality of intellectual property cheese law I think is missing the bigger picture.

    • @Fordmister
      @Fordmister 3 роки тому +1

      @@ethandavis7310 it's not Italy. It's an EU pdo. It's part of EU food law and regulations. If you use the legal name listed on the pdo it's bigger than IP. It's a breach of EU food law. It's why across Europe you will se things sold such as "Italian style hard cheese" and "sparkling wine". Pdo's along with Pgo's exist to protect specialist traditional products and the EU takes them very seriously. To the point where if you are the local authority or consortium that is responsible for a pdo you are compelled under EU law to protect it.

  • @Meg-n-Cheese12
    @Meg-n-Cheese12 3 роки тому

    I had no idea the DRAMA that is cheese making! I love you Gavin Webber and keep doing you!

  • @ethanlee8307
    @ethanlee8307 3 роки тому +2

    Oh! Curd Nerd guy! You're back in my recommended!

  • @jay71512
    @jay71512 3 роки тому +28

    Cant wait to see you making that "grand piano" cheese 🤣🤣

  • @falconeio
    @falconeio 3 роки тому +142

    You should re-upload it, but just put a beep whenever you say the name. Then they can't say anything.

    • @cellochick13
      @cellochick13 3 роки тому +8

      And then just link to this if anyone is questioning the beeps

    • @theodorerooding3536
      @theodorerooding3536 3 роки тому +7

      "This is how to not make this type of cheese. Whatever you want to call this creation, it is without a doubt, absolutely not *consortium cheese."

    • @droolio
      @droolio 3 роки тому +4

      Better yet, re-upload this exact video but dub over the name with a made-up alternative. Mmmm, "hakuna matata" cheese...

    • @Yuli95Sagitta
      @Yuli95Sagitta 3 роки тому +1

      The beep will be the new name of the cheese (vaffanculo, Giorgio Lombardi) and since it is so obscene it needed to be censored.

    • @thegourmetgolfer5544
      @thegourmetgolfer5544 3 роки тому +1

      He did but dubbed over "Chease and Desist" 😂😂

  • @thierrytu
    @thierrytu 3 роки тому +9

    I can't believe they did this to you Gavin! No you didn't infringe, you got too close :)

  • @AGM-ts5bb
    @AGM-ts5bb 3 роки тому +16

    Here in Canada, we just say "whatever"-style cheese.
    They are full of nonsense; you never insinuated it was either designation.
    Legal issues? Start a go fund me, and we will boycott.

  • @joe_ita
    @joe_ita 3 роки тому +80

    as an italian, i'm so so sorry this happened... your content is fire

  • @Informed_observer
    @Informed_observer 3 роки тому +35

    The fact that you stated 'style of' means your intention was never to infringe on their protected brand. They don't really have a leg to stand on here, came because the controversy but subscribing because i love cheese and if big cheese companies feel threatened by you you're obviously doing something right!

    • @sonna4298
      @sonna4298 Рік тому +2

      Yea it’s crazy they really see him as competition but that’s great for him cause that’s really recognition gonna be making his recipes for cheese for now on since they feel it’s worthy of C and D letter !

  • @angelaschouten1747
    @angelaschouten1747 3 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing your passion and recipes from all style cheeses which are produced around the world. Keep up the spirit!

  • @MiguelMorales85
    @MiguelMorales85 3 роки тому

    Don’t be discouraged. Go on!!!

  • @LDF1218
    @LDF1218 3 роки тому +78

    You should speak with a lawyer about this.

  • @awesomepandamonkey
    @awesomepandamonkey 3 роки тому +33

    The video was uploaded an entire year ago, it seems like Mr. Lombardi was bored and just needed to fill an afternoon or something. Regardless, it's nice to know that I'm subscribed to UA-cam's highest-profile cheese counterfeiter.

  • @basweny1
    @basweny1 3 роки тому +3

    Gavin you are the better man, no you did not over step your bounds. I think a new video is in order with a code title. Always you are the best!

  • @Kapsgirls
    @Kapsgirls 3 роки тому

    Gav, please don't be discouraged....having lived in Italy for many years, I am not surprised that you got the letter....it just proved that you nailed the recipe and they threatened....Stay calm and continue to make great cheese....best wishes, Kasper

  • @charljoubert6993
    @charljoubert6993 3 роки тому +12

    I just sent both the legal company and the cheese consortium an email to call them out on their ridiculousness.

  • @bucketofgondor
    @bucketofgondor 3 роки тому +25

    The power this man has will shake the cheese industry

  • @bulldaagg
    @bulldaagg 3 роки тому

    LOL love it, get your cam and take them up on the tour

  • @kosmati4569
    @kosmati4569 3 роки тому

    Grana Padano has always been my favourite all-rounders, and I'm well into DIY anyway, just never thought to put the 2+2 together. Thank you, and the law firm for the inspiration!

  • @DNSL_
    @DNSL_ 3 роки тому +407

    this is like the streisand effect of cheeses, by saying you need to stop they basically said it's close enough to be the real thing.
    Now I'm going to learn how to make cheese just so I can say I made grana padano cheese, I DONT EVEN LIKE CHEESE

    • @d4lep0ro
      @d4lep0ro 3 роки тому +6

      hey bro, I miss your videos. Hope you are doing well :)

    • @sethj9148
      @sethj9148 3 роки тому +9

      Wow this is the last place would expect to see you comment

    • @panwall1327
      @panwall1327 3 роки тому +4

      Hello?

    • @napalmunderwear9902
      @napalmunderwear9902 3 роки тому +5

      The Protected Daniel of Origin.

    • @binarypower
      @binarypower 3 роки тому +1

      i'm going to learn how to make cheese in the next dayz video

  • @hayeschrissy
    @hayeschrissy 3 роки тому +7

    Just watched the grana Padano video, taken notes and now going to make this next weekend ! Thanks Gav

  • @Mabus16
    @Mabus16 3 роки тому +7

    Oh no, the angry Italians are back and they brought lawyers!

  • @gray5627
    @gray5627 3 роки тому

    I had to dash over to watch the Grana Padano video! I will never make it, but it was fun to watch! Thanks for sharing. :-)

  • @aga5897
    @aga5897 3 роки тому +17

    If you take it down, we the Fans will have to serve you with a "Curds and Relist" order for that video.
    Gotcha ! Caught between a Rock and a Hard cheese ! ;)

  • @joemoma516
    @joemoma516 3 роки тому +185

    I hope you spoke to a lawyer first. There's a possibility of a counter suit if the threat is unfounded.

    • @raoufy888
      @raoufy888 3 роки тому +9

      true

    • @a12475
      @a12475 3 роки тому +3

      There are in fucking Italy and he’s in Austriala

    • @Johnthecollie
      @Johnthecollie 3 роки тому +34

      Lol a C & D is not worth getting bent out of shape over. They don't go to a judge first nor does it have legal standing. An intern typed that out because his boss was too lazy.

    • @348frank348
      @348frank348 3 роки тому +2

      Take it all the way to the Supreme Court

    • @playea123
      @playea123 3 роки тому

      @@Johnthecollie so should he just not comply with it? I would I agree if that is what his lawyer tells him to do as well.

  • @mestreg5687
    @mestreg5687 3 роки тому

    It's like the sparkling wine that isn't champagne; the marbled steak (wagyu) , that isn't Kobe Beef.; etc.
    But you nailed the subject in your introduction.

  • @barkingbunny4689
    @barkingbunny4689 Рік тому

    You and your whole community have turned me into a new fangirl! Lovin' it!💖

  • @Killercreek
    @Killercreek 3 роки тому +108

    Contact the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Nothing you did violates any law, and made no claim to do so.
    If you need advice, I can offer some, but I am not versed in Australian law.

    • @last808
      @last808 3 роки тому +2

      Techdirt would probably cover this story too.

  • @ravoris
    @ravoris 3 роки тому +49

    Before you take the video down, consult with a lawyer. In America cease and desist orders are a request. They can't compel you do to anything until they are ordered to by the courts. Your lawyer will be able to tell you if that holds for where you are, and if they actually have a case or if she can make them go away with a suitably resolute letter back.

    • @myroomisblue2679
      @myroomisblue2679 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah consult with a lawyer

    • @Killercreek
      @Killercreek 3 роки тому +4

      There is nothing a lawyer fears more than another lawyer

    • @myroomisblue2679
      @myroomisblue2679 3 роки тому +1

      @@Killercreek kinda like military submarines and queens in chess

    • @Drew-Dastardly
      @Drew-Dastardly 3 роки тому +3

      Murkins and Lawyers and endless money that comes from nowhere.
      There is no need for a lawyer - this is an open and shut case - Gavin is not party to a trade contract with the EU protection rackets. End of.

    • @merindymorgenson3184
      @merindymorgenson3184 3 роки тому +2

      I don’t think the US recognizes these rules, and so US makers can’t be held liable for these, but perhaps Australia complies with the EU rules? I think he should definitely check with his lawyers first. It is not an intellectual property trespass, unless he calls the cheese a grano padano. Cheese making has been around for thousands of years. The grano padano is probably based on an earlier cheese, and so how can they claim its theirs? Anyway, they have no right to say trespass because he doesn’t have their original recipe that he’s broadcasting. He’s not trying to claim it’s a grano padano, and obviously he’s making it in Australia, so he’s not trying to claim its coming from the region, so not trying to counterfeit it. I really think these types of overreach should be fought back against.

  • @seloyneyrinck-duncan3316
    @seloyneyrinck-duncan3316 3 роки тому +1

    I haven't checked if the video for Grano Padano is down but if I'd seen this earlier, I'd have said don't take it down and I'll go watch it on a loop 😂😂

  • @cpd833
    @cpd833 Рік тому

    Sounds like mafia muscle pushing the attorney to see how far he can push you.

  • @teds5047
    @teds5047 3 роки тому +40

    Don't take it down. They don't have a leg to stand on. If you bend the knee now, every company will send you a letter to take down videos that depict how to make a (insert name here) style cheese. I gave you a "like" for now because I enjoy watching videos on how you make cheeses but please don't change who you are and what you are doing.

  • @anthonyheman4621
    @anthonyheman4621 3 роки тому +3

    You are very kind to them. Your videos generally make people more interested in their cheeses that might otherwise not be super aware.

  • @nicg1345
    @nicg1345 3 роки тому

    dang, the Padano posse is flexing their curds hard with this C&D letter. You're doing something right @gavin Webber!!

  • @nevyn38
    @nevyn38 3 роки тому +1

    Tangentially related:
    I used to work in education and we had a "copyright infringement notice". The kids were brought into an assembly and were giving "amnesty" to admit pirating a certain movie at a certain time (here I am laughing because I haven't taught them how to pirate properly). And as it happened, there were A LOT of kids who admitted to downloading that movie.
    The thing was that the ISP was new and so didn't really know what to do with the notices. See in NZ, if whatever protection consortium want to send notices to customers, they have to go through the ISP and pay a nominal fee (I think it's around $10 NZD for the ISP's time). It doesn't stop them from trying it on though. I mean, whatever "protection of trademarks" consortiums still continue to waste everyone's time by sending the notices to the ISPs without following the rules.
    Because the aim is to intimidate. They can't prosecute based on it.
    That's what's going on here. You'd be better off calling their bluff as they have no leg to stand on (and they know it). All bark, no bite. You make a comparison to a thing. You don't claim it to be the thing.

  • @donaldtrump5392
    @donaldtrump5392 3 роки тому +56

    By their own definition, your cheese is NOT their cheese.

    • @vincewylde8523
      @vincewylde8523 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, their "cease and desist" letter did little more than make them look like ignorant asses. 🤷‍♂️

  • @Ale.K7
    @Ale.K7 3 роки тому +13

    Me, from a dark alley, after watching Gavin teach us how to make "COUNTERFEIT REPLICAS":
    -"Psst! Can I interest you in some fine PDO cheese?"

  • @karm42yn
    @karm42yn 3 роки тому +9

    That's standard intimidation practice. I see why you'd want to concede. It's often not worth the legal battle especially over one video but I don't think they have a case here. A judge would likely throw it out immediately. I still hope you won't give in.

  • @jamiesmith9176
    @jamiesmith9176 2 роки тому

    Perfect chance to come up with some aussie regional names. Love your work Gav.

  • @DFMurray
    @DFMurray 3 роки тому +14

    You know you have finally hit legendary status when you get a Cease and Desist. Congrats you mad cheese making lad!

  • @lefroy1
    @lefroy1 3 роки тому +118

    Grana Padano STYLE Cheese. That 'style' bit means everything.
    Perhaps Mr Lombardy might get himself a dictionary.
    What if you changed the name to Prana Gradano Cheese (no 'style' ;)/

    • @jadebell550
      @jadebell550 3 роки тому +6

      Or he can stop trolling UA-cam from a year ago videos and stick to the authentic 😉 cheese making .. He must of been really bored ..

    • @antonc81
      @antonc81 3 роки тому +12

      Also he’s not selling the cheese so there’s no product to be passed off as grana padano. There’s no infringement at all.

  • @cozyvamp
    @cozyvamp 2 роки тому +1

    Back in the 80s, when I lived in Baltimore there was something similar going on. A Korea woman, named Sony, had had a little shop there for decades, Somehow, Sony corporation in Japan got wind of it and took her to court with a cease and desist order. They won and put her out of business. When some giant entity feels they have to wipe out some individual to protect their brand, then they must not have much confidence in that brand. IOW, it's ridiculous. In your case, if you were encouraging counterfeiters, you'd have to provide a much larger batch size to even make one wheel! Ridiculous.

    • @Terribleguitarist89
      @Terribleguitarist89 2 роки тому +1

      My hometown of Fairbury Illinois had a rare case of the little guy winning. We had McDonald's Family Restaurant (owned by Ron McDonald, can't make this up) which predated the franchise but were constantly harassed for years. When a franchise was built in town they finally sued the restaurant but it back fired... long story short, the franchise building is now a bank and the restaurant lived on until it changed hands a few years back and was rebranded by the new owners.

  • @planetzogg1
    @planetzogg1 3 роки тому +5

    Gavin, as you said in the vid, it's a Grana Padano "style" cheese and you stated it's not the real deal. Keep the video up. They don't have a leg to stand on. That cheese recipie is yours, thought by you, made by you. It's your intellectual property. All that bumph about counterfit cheese is just their way of saying they don't have a leg to stand on but they are not happy. Stand your ground good fella. There's nothing they can do about it!

    • @planetzogg1
      @planetzogg1 3 роки тому +4

      Also if it was that serious, the consortium would have went straight to youtube to get the vid taken down. Fiver says they did and youtube said get stuffed ;)

  • @doriesuewalker8615
    @doriesuewalker8615 3 роки тому +17

    I have never made cheese.... But their ridiculousness makes me want to make this cheese right now 🤣

  • @altheamarlyssutton3489
    @altheamarlyssutton3489 3 роки тому

    I think you've done a really good job and you've been very kind to them especially with your intro I think you did a very good job and I think it's ridiculous what they're doing but thank you for being so kind to them

  • @generees7752
    @generees7752 3 роки тому

    The gig is up now I gotta close down my counterfeit cheese factory

  • @mdbrack
    @mdbrack 3 роки тому +9

    Talk about Streisand Effect! I hadn't seen the video in question, but now I -need- to watch it. Take the consortium!

  • @vaasnaad
    @vaasnaad 3 роки тому +11

    Write him back a one word response: "No." You already specified that you did in no way do what they claim. I gotta try this cheese!

  • @Emrys91
    @Emrys91 3 роки тому

    Its the same here, a Cornish pasty can only be called Cornish pasty if it was made in cornwall. If i make it where I live I must just call it a pasty

  • @Threeofus13
    @Threeofus13 3 роки тому

    I had been tempted to try making this, but now it is guaranteed! I will never buy their cheese again. Thank you for all the knowledge you share!

  • @Cdeboo12
    @Cdeboo12 3 роки тому +17

    Must have absolutely nailed that recipe I reckon and the suits are panicking 🤣

  • @Kangamoos
    @Kangamoos 3 роки тому +5

    I'm super impressed with your attitude, and clearly your nailing of the process of making this cheese. Thanks for being so awesome!

  • @marjoriejohnson6535
    @marjoriejohnson6535 2 роки тому

    Crap to late to find your making of this cheeese,,,,crap, crap, crap...going to write down as many as possible,, I haven't made cheese in at least 35 years ..when I lived near a dairy farm and had milking goats myself...I hope my daughter's get interested.have loved every post I have watched so far from you and hope no more have to be taken down,,,,thank you for the most concise set of directions on youtube!!!!!

    • @GavinWebber
      @GavinWebber  2 роки тому

      Here is the edited version of the cheese that cannot be named; ua-cam.com/video/vqPP24IU1to/v-deo.html

  • @W45Jasper
    @W45Jasper 3 роки тому

    Impressive that they're following you. They're taking down notes because you're the professional.

  • @kristidunlap
    @kristidunlap 3 роки тому +8

    Here in the UK stores are very careful about their wording, so even feta for example is labeled "Greek style cheese." So I can see why they protested- even using the name of a protected origin cheese is a violation of their trademark. Name your cheese something fun and trademark it! :)