Holy frame rate, Batman! It's interesting to think that back when this was first made we all likely wouldn't have batted an eye at it but nowadays it's like watching in some sort of jerky shutter-vision. A great little time machine, thanks for sharing!
Certainly would have batted some eye because decent systems could run Nascar Racing 2002 and 2003 30-60 fps and I drove myself Iracing ten years ago 30-60 fps. 16-20 in my opinion was not normal at all.
@@GPLaps Oh yeah, especially since those files were huge, especially with Fraps. 30 minutes of recording could be in the multiple Gigabyte range, something like 40-60 Gigabyte. And it was always wise to record on a drive that was neither your system nor your gaming drive, to minimize the impact of it.
@@LupusAries God, I remember the days of Fraps filling up my 300 GB hard drive and slowing my PC down bad whenever it was recording. I ran Windows XP on a Core 2 Duo Intel CPU with an Nvidia 8500GT for graphics up until the early 2010s; damned thing could barely run Crysis at a playable rate (I'm sure you can remember when that was the de facto gaming graphics benchmark) and it was borderline impractical to even bother with trying to get HD footage of any video games of the time. I don't think the younger me could believe that, nowadays, I can be on a video call with a few friends streaming, in HD, what they're working on, while streaming my own work. We're quite far beyond the days of 480p recordings being high quality, and quite far beyond the days where even a sturdy cable internet service wouldn't get you good enough upload rates to stream (though I do know a good few friends who still struggle with their internet speed!)
not much has changed in iRacing.. this either makes it a really outdated game or it's a testament of a great base game that they kept on tweaking and improving... as much as I am critical of iRacing I think the latter is true.. thank you for reposting your 2009 review
Honestly it's less of a shock when you consider how the precursor to the iRacing dev team was Papyrus Design Group with the NASCAR Racing series; look how long people have dragged out modding for the last iteration of that.
@@SAHOYT71013 Even less of a shock when you realize that a lot of the big modding teams were hired by the people who went on from Papyrus to make iRacing...
Not bad for a review from years ago. Your voice is much more confident now. And you have more insight in the games. But still enjoyable. Thanks for sharing some history with us.
Such a good quality video for 2009 i really liked it specially comparing it to nowadays IRacing as i joined it in 2021. It felt like a machine time travel, just awesome!
I note that much like iRacing has retained a lot of its features to the present day, your choice of jazz music remains a fundamental cornerstone of your productions;)
Great insight! It's amazing to see the UI is identical after 12 years. And the same Aussie spotter too. iRacing really did a good job developing their product to what it is today. Your video was actually really quite high quality too - great script. How old were you at that point? Voice sounds rather different.
GP….this was excellent man! I’m sitting here watching this and it occurred to me to look at the FPS. I think it may have hit 20 at best….lol. If you have more of these, I’d go with it. I’ll watch….it’s actually really interesting especially to someone like myself whom just started in January of 2020.
This is amazing! Thanks for sharing this glimpse into both iRacing and your channel's past. Loved the dry jokes, haha. I only came across your channel in the last year, but I really admire your dedication to sim racing and your excellent storytelling. It's neat to see how far you've come.
Thanks for posting this. Great insight into the beginnings and, as they say, not as bad as you remember. Kudos to you and looking forward to the next installment.
It's amazing to see how much you've grown over the past 12 years. You are an inspiration, and a testament to the fact that persistence pays off. Your channel has grown into such a great community, and I love being a part of it. Thanks for doing what you do!
Oh man, the Solstice - just when I thought my nightmares were a thing of the past, lol. The Solstice was one of those cars where you mashed the throttle, then had to wait to see what happens, lol. Oh, and the brakes... definitely not meant for something that was supposed to run on a race track of any kind. But, it did fulfill its purpose in making you patient and get a feel for racing before moving up to more powerful cars. In retrospect, you really have to admire the progression system that iRacing created. It really led to super, competitive racing as you moved up the ranks back then.
1) Thanks for reuploading this 2) Its absolutely insane that the in-game UI has not changed since 2008. While I guess 'dont fix what aint broken' they could give it at least some modernization in terms of colors and design, while keeping the layout the same 3) Thanks god we no longer have to use the awful website for the game navigation, the new UI menu is much better
That voice is so iconic to sim racing as Murray Walker is to F1.Who could forget classics like: "They say you cut the course. You have to slow down and give up the time gAAIIYYned."
I still have the 2008 sim installed in my pc its cool to be able to compare it with today build, i'm planning to do a comparaison video i just need to figure out how to make run at 1080p or higher.
I REALLY miss the scrolling ticker that would tell you about other peoples stats. They had a banner scrolling across the screen just below your race selection area that told of iRacing gains and losses, your races stats and other peoples too... It had to be taken away eventually, but I'd love to see a new version of that in the Beta Ui...
@@dinxsy8069 i mean the game was in development for about 4 years between 2004 and 2008 with literally 0 users because it wasn't released to the public yet, that's straight up unsustainable for most game developers. One of the big keys to iracing's existence, let alone more recent success is a big helping hand from billionaire john henry who ended up becoming a big fan of the old papyrus nascar racing games
not gonna lie I wish people did more videos like this about iracing, like people would give their own retrospective of how racing used to be with certain cars that are on the service or arent anymore, like the winged COT
Love how quite a few comments are like "I wouldn't be upset if it didn't cost so much" Yes you would. The people who play the other sims you think are so much "better" still complain about those sims. rF2, ACC, hell, they'll complain about free to play games. You just want to complain because you like it. Some, sure, I'm sure you absolutely believe you feel that way, but you'd feel that way just out of time investment too. It's the fact that it's not completely perfect that bothers you, regardless of what you spent on it, and then it gets passed along that anyone who says otherwise is because of a sunk cost fallacy. (Meanwhile, At least 25% of my Steam games are unplayed despite me most likely paying full price for them... I even have a few PS4 games like that. I do not care about the cost. :/) Relax a bit. Just enjoy it for what it is and actually look at what's actually changed. Like in detail, cause despite a few of the comments pretending like nothing's changed, there's a lot. From graphical features, to optimizations, collision model improvements (at least with NDM. Which still has issues but are far less awful). We have new post effects, DX11, updated sounds and ambience, new crowds (Which need to sit), new skys (which needs a moon), dirt, dynamic rubber on the track (which they did turn down the marbles for performance reasons), new tires that most of the folks on the GT side do like lately, etc. It's almost like people who constantly blame "netcode" for their collisions without just realizing it's a misnomer for "lag" that I started in a forum thread 10 years ago because I tried to explain how networking worked and people took it as a primary way to blame iRacing for their garbage networks in a car going 60-100mph around a hairpin... No. It's not netcode. It's just basic networking and physics. Money isn't the issue here, it's simply time and resources to do it the way iRacing wants to do it. Most of what you get in other games is extremely hacked together approaches. Hell, even iracing's might be, but at the end, I can go drive a Skip Barber on a rallycross track and watch as the track changes. Can't really do that anywhere else. I can't tell you to stop being mad and that's not my intent. But at the end of the day, I would like to at least point out that there's a lot of stuff ya'll miss, and ignore, simply because... i actually don't know why. I don't believe it's that you feel they should do more with the money because I feel like even if they did do more, it wouldn't make you happy. You'd change that goal post every time. So... go ahead and be unhappy about it. I just think ya'll live with really weird expectations. Not even high ones. Just... weird. Like, completely misunderstanding how video games work weird.
All you had to say was, "Iracing is flawed and my favorite sim so stop complaining." Want to feel justified with a sim you spent hundreds on, go ahead. Rest of us will enjoy classic sims that don't cost hundreds of dollars with similar issues. Or companies that don't send cease and desist letters to indycar over criticisms about their sim.
The one thing that still hasn't changed is how much I still suck .... beyond that Its a common myth that you can't catch a slide in iRacing (some cars you still can't, lol) but honestly that is the biggest difference from back then ... if you made a mistake you were facing the other cars backwards... and to be brutally honest that's a relatively recent change (last few years, maybe dirt helped who knows) ... also Force feedback was really basic .. you couldn't feel the front tires load or get light under braking accelerating.... I mean... mostly just more and more of everything to go broke paying for and not having enough free-time to enjoy/race most of.
This is how I remember iRacing. I joined in fall of 2009 and was blown away, but man do they need to up their game and get with the times. The graphics haven’t really changed much and the content and quality offered by other sims outmatches iR for so much less money...
The UI didn't change until recently but so much happened physics wise. I'm 100% sure it doesn't even remotely feel similar to what it felt like back then.
They added lots of new cars and tracks, and added AI and dirt and green-white-checkered and that old nascar restart rule where the lap down cars are to the inside to go with the 1987 nascar cars.
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X I agree that it's still pretty bad, but that doesn't change anything about the amount of work they put into their product and that there are a lot of people who enjoy it.
@@rideroundandstuff That's undoubtedly true. However, a tyre model which is "still pretty bad" is simply not feasable on a game which costs an insane amount of money for a single piece of content, considering the opposition, as well as monthly subscription to even access owned content.
Funny how the Charlotte Roval is now everywhere. I always felt the subscription model of iRacing worked against it. I know you did lots with the Mazda at VIR and the Lotus 49 when it was launched. There needs to be a serious update (IR2?) to it because ACC is dominating online stuff.
@@CaroFDoom you'd have to go back to 1995 (if not mistaken) to the Papyrus Nascar Racing title where it all started. Then they improved a lot with gpl in 98, then came NR4, 2002 and the late 2003 which indeed is the base of iRacing
Not much has changed, a testament to not having any competition in the market space. Kinda like EA and the madden franchise. Dont get me wrong, i love it, but for the cost it should be far better
GP laps doing a historical GP laps video. Lets gooooooo!
this made me laugh!
Brandon?
Holy frame rate, Batman! It's interesting to think that back when this was first made we all likely wouldn't have batted an eye at it but nowadays it's like watching in some sort of jerky shutter-vision. A great little time machine, thanks for sharing!
Certainly would have batted some eye because decent systems could run Nascar Racing 2002 and 2003 30-60 fps and I drove myself Iracing ten years ago 30-60 fps. 16-20 in my opinion was not normal at all.
Its because I was recording at the same time. I think I would get 30fps back then on the PC I had
@@GPLaps Oh yeah, especially since those files were huge, especially with Fraps.
30 minutes of recording could be in the multiple Gigabyte range, something like 40-60 Gigabyte.
And it was always wise to record on a drive that was neither your system nor your gaming drive, to minimize the impact of it.
@@LupusAries God, I remember the days of Fraps filling up my 300 GB hard drive and slowing my PC down bad whenever it was recording.
I ran Windows XP on a Core 2 Duo Intel CPU with an Nvidia 8500GT for graphics up until the early 2010s; damned thing could barely run Crysis at a playable rate (I'm sure you can remember when that was the de facto gaming graphics benchmark) and it was borderline impractical to even bother with trying to get HD footage of any video games of the time.
I don't think the younger me could believe that, nowadays, I can be on a video call with a few friends streaming, in HD, what they're working on, while streaming my own work. We're quite far beyond the days of 480p recordings being high quality, and quite far beyond the days where even a sturdy cable internet service wouldn't get you good enough upload rates to stream (though I do know a good few friends who still struggle with their internet speed!)
not much has changed in iRacing.. this either makes it a really outdated game or it's a testament of a great base game that they kept on tweaking and improving... as much as I am critical of iRacing I think the latter is true.. thank you for reposting your 2009 review
Honestly it's less of a shock when you consider how the precursor to the iRacing dev team was Papyrus Design Group with the NASCAR Racing series; look how long people have dragged out modding for the last iteration of that.
@@SAHOYT71013 Even less of a shock when you realize that a lot of the big modding teams were hired by the people who went on from Papyrus to make iRacing...
@@LithFox no shit really? I had no idea but that’s fucking awesome
7:19 OMG this UI has been untouched since back then 😂😂
I'm glad they said they'll be modernizing it soon!
I will never understand why the Solstice had a 5th gear, thanks for the (bad) memories 😄😂
The elevator jazz background music really elevates the video.
Not bad for a review from years ago. Your voice is much more confident now. And you have more insight in the games. But still enjoyable. Thanks for sharing some history with us.
Such a good quality video for 2009 i really liked it specially comparing it to nowadays IRacing as i joined it in 2021. It felt like a machine time travel, just awesome!
I note that much like iRacing has retained a lot of its features to the present day, your choice of jazz music remains a fundamental cornerstone of your productions;)
I won the first ever class a (cup car) race I think :)
Great insight! It's amazing to see the UI is identical after 12 years. And the same Aussie spotter too. iRacing really did a good job developing their product to what it is today.
Your video was actually really quite high quality too - great script. How old were you at that point? Voice sounds rather different.
The microphone makes a lot of difference to how his voice sounds.
in sim ui was great from start only thing i hope is that they it look like the new ui but still keep ui layout as same
GP….this was excellent man! I’m sitting here watching this and it occurred to me to look at the FPS. I think it may have hit 20 at best….lol. If you have more of these, I’d go with it. I’ll watch….it’s actually really interesting especially to someone like myself whom just started in January of 2020.
great things don't need to change, like your video style. Love to see you had something good and kept with it
I've been looking for a video like this for while! I've been so curious about what iRacing was like when it first started!
Crazy how much the sim both has and hasn't changed. So much has been added and changed, but at the end of the day it's still basically the same thing.
This is amazing! Thanks for sharing this glimpse into both iRacing and your channel's past. Loved the dry jokes, haha. I only came across your channel in the last year, but I really admire your dedication to sim racing and your excellent storytelling. It's neat to see how far you've come.
Thanks for posting this. Great insight into the beginnings and, as they say, not as bad as you remember. Kudos to you and looking forward to the next installment.
To be honest, your video is pretty good and voice recording as well. Pretty informative video.
as someone who is still new to racing, imagining a world in which the charlotte infield is not well known is hard.
It's amazing to see how much you've grown over the past 12 years. You are an inspiration, and a testament to the fact that persistence pays off. Your channel has grown into such a great community, and I love being a part of it. Thanks for doing what you do!
Oh man, the Solstice - just when I thought my nightmares were a thing of the past, lol. The Solstice was one of those cars where you mashed the throttle, then had to wait to see what happens, lol. Oh, and the brakes... definitely not meant for something that was supposed to run on a race track of any kind. But, it did fulfill its purpose in making you patient and get a feel for racing before moving up to more powerful cars. In retrospect, you really have to admire the progression system that iRacing created. It really led to super, competitive racing as you moved up the ranks back then.
Awesome Brother more of these please, I don't think it was nerves more inexperience that was great thanks!!
1) Thanks for reuploading this
2) Its absolutely insane that the in-game UI has not changed since 2008. While I guess 'dont fix what aint broken' they could give it at least some modernization in terms of colors and design, while keeping the layout the same
3) Thanks god we no longer have to use the awful website for the game navigation, the new UI menu is much better
I missed this review the first time it was published. Thanks for the re-upload.
Love the Teddy shirt bud. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for sharing it, it's so easy to be self conscious with this stuff but I'm glad you could see the value in putting this back up :)
Drop the Aussie Spotter! Like the notes on the Star Trek pilot that said Spock must go 😹
That voice is so iconic to sim racing as Murray Walker is to F1.Who could forget classics like: "They say you cut the course. You have to slow down and give up the time gAAIIYYned."
@@GTFan8899 ^HIGHLY UNDERRATED COMMENT FOLKS.
Really enjoyed this and defo not cringy. Straight up good review; well pro for 2009.
Cries in 17 fps...!
Have also been a member since the very beginning, before the August 2008 official opening. It's come an incredibly long way.
I still have the 2008 sim installed in my pc its cool to be able to compare it with today build, i'm planning to do a comparaison video i just need to figure out how to make run at 1080p or higher.
It's interesting to hear how your voice has changed. Some of that is the microphone, for sure, but you're less nasaly and more gravelly now.
Internet Explorer provided by Yahoo! Didn't see that one coming! ahahahha
I REALLY miss the scrolling ticker that would tell you about other peoples stats. They had a banner scrolling across the screen just below your race selection area that told of iRacing gains and losses, your races stats and other peoples too... It had to be taken away eventually, but I'd love to see a new version of that in the Beta Ui...
I miss the old enthusiastic Australia guy spotter
the people behind iRacing certainly made their revenue back over the years to still be going strong.
If I remember correctly they said they actually didn't make any profit untill year 6 or 7.
@@SimRacerSteve82 Blimey that is dedication, they had an end goal stuck with it
@@dinxsy8069 i mean the game was in development for about 4 years between 2004 and 2008 with literally 0 users because it wasn't released to the public yet, that's straight up unsustainable for most game developers. One of the big keys to iracing's existence, let alone more recent success is a big helping hand from billionaire john henry who ended up becoming a big fan of the old papyrus nascar racing games
Great shirt! RIP Ted Christopher
not gonna lie I wish people did more videos like this about iracing, like people would give their own retrospective of how racing used to be with certain cars that are on the service or arent anymore, like the winged COT
I forgot all about the Pontiac Solstice. Young me loved that car for some reason, maybe it was the way it sounded but damn I’ve always wanted one
Love how you were driving with 16 fps :D
Wow, it's easy to forget how far the iRacing graphics have come since 2008!
I dont think it was cringy :D its fun to see your evolution though
I do like the “Charlie Brown” Music
Love how quite a few comments are like "I wouldn't be upset if it didn't cost so much"
Yes you would. The people who play the other sims you think are so much "better" still complain about those sims. rF2, ACC, hell, they'll complain about free to play games.
You just want to complain because you like it. Some, sure, I'm sure you absolutely believe you feel that way, but you'd feel that way just out of time investment too. It's the fact that it's not completely perfect that bothers you, regardless of what you spent on it, and then it gets passed along that anyone who says otherwise is because of a sunk cost fallacy. (Meanwhile, At least 25% of my Steam games are unplayed despite me most likely paying full price for them... I even have a few PS4 games like that. I do not care about the cost. :/)
Relax a bit. Just enjoy it for what it is and actually look at what's actually changed. Like in detail, cause despite a few of the comments pretending like nothing's changed, there's a lot. From graphical features, to optimizations, collision model improvements (at least with NDM. Which still has issues but are far less awful). We have new post effects, DX11, updated sounds and ambience, new crowds (Which need to sit), new skys (which needs a moon), dirt, dynamic rubber on the track (which they did turn down the marbles for performance reasons), new tires that most of the folks on the GT side do like lately, etc.
It's almost like people who constantly blame "netcode" for their collisions without just realizing it's a misnomer for "lag" that I started in a forum thread 10 years ago because I tried to explain how networking worked and people took it as a primary way to blame iRacing for their garbage networks in a car going 60-100mph around a hairpin...
No. It's not netcode. It's just basic networking and physics. Money isn't the issue here, it's simply time and resources to do it the way iRacing wants to do it. Most of what you get in other games is extremely hacked together approaches. Hell, even iracing's might be, but at the end, I can go drive a Skip Barber on a rallycross track and watch as the track changes. Can't really do that anywhere else.
I can't tell you to stop being mad and that's not my intent. But at the end of the day, I would like to at least point out that there's a lot of stuff ya'll miss, and ignore, simply because... i actually don't know why. I don't believe it's that you feel they should do more with the money because I feel like even if they did do more, it wouldn't make you happy. You'd change that goal post every time.
So... go ahead and be unhappy about it. I just think ya'll live with really weird expectations. Not even high ones. Just... weird. Like, completely misunderstanding how video games work weird.
All you had to say was,
"Iracing is flawed and my favorite sim so stop complaining."
Want to feel justified with a sim you spent hundreds on, go ahead.
Rest of us will enjoy classic sims that don't cost hundreds of dollars with similar issues.
Or companies that don't send cease and desist letters to indycar over criticisms about their sim.
first thoughts... it hasn't changed much at all. GUI and menus look like they were designed back then.
Alternate Title: Gentlemen, a short view into the past...
Great throwback. Do you ever race the Lotus 49 in iracing?
The one thing that still hasn't changed is how much I still suck .... beyond that Its a common myth that you can't catch a slide in iRacing (some cars you still can't, lol) but honestly that is the biggest difference from back then ... if you made a mistake you were facing the other cars backwards... and to be brutally honest that's a relatively recent change (last few years, maybe dirt helped who knows) ... also Force feedback was really basic .. you couldn't feel the front tires load or get light under braking accelerating.... I mean... mostly just more and more of everything to go broke paying for and not having enough free-time to enjoy/race most of.
This is how I remember iRacing. I joined in fall of 2009 and was blown away, but man do they need to up their game and get with the times. The graphics haven’t really changed much and the content and quality offered by other sims outmatches iR for so much less money...
man your voice was so different in 2009...
Ah 2009, back when nobody could have confused the cars in the thumbnail for BMWs...........
It's staggering how much money iracing's developers earned since your original review, and how little the game improved.
The UI didn't change until recently but so much happened physics wise. I'm 100% sure it doesn't even remotely feel similar to what it felt like back then.
@@rideroundandstuff
Oh yes, the twenty iterations of "the perfect tyre model in sim racing" ;)
They added lots of new cars and tracks, and added AI and dirt and green-white-checkered and that old nascar restart rule where the lap down cars are to the inside to go with the 1987 nascar cars.
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X I agree that it's still pretty bad, but that doesn't change anything about the amount of work they put into their product and that there are a lot of people who enjoy it.
@@rideroundandstuff
That's undoubtedly true.
However, a tyre model which is "still pretty bad" is simply not feasable on a game which costs an insane amount of money for a single piece of content, considering the opposition, as well as monthly subscription to even access owned content.
Wow I didn't know I racing was around that long.
When you still had pit road collisions lol
omg you were so bad ! its fun to see how we sucked back then :P
Looks like Kevin Hamen retired - forever, last on 2009
wonder what these guys got up to now
Graphics are not even that bad, I was expecting worse
You should have really fixed your FoV back then :D
The worst thing, that hapenned to iRacing for past decade: GT3. 😆
Didnt find it "Cringy"at all. Kind of reminds me of those workplace instructional videos
back when 18fps was acceptable
That music
i was just wondering this
Holy shit he used the dankpods jazz music
interesting, its just a song in the free youtube music database
@@GPLaps yeah, thats why he also uses it, I just liked how 2009 it sounds
Grab your Huh Duh Six Hungeos and freakish ears on a stand. Its time to go iRacing. Wait....
you've always been a pretty good editor but you've come a long way in your ability to read a script (or speak)
So, 12 years later, we have dirt and AI..
You sounded like Chills if he could speak normally
lmao *number ooone*
Funny how the Charlotte Roval is now everywhere. I always felt the subscription model of iRacing worked against it. I know you did lots with the Mazda at VIR and the Lotus 49 when it was launched. There needs to be a serious update (IR2?) to it because ACC is dominating online stuff.
But ... but ... this is ... g ... g ... good
iracing looks and sounds so weird compare to today
Dude I was unsubscribed. No idea why. Definitely didn't do it manually...
Wasn't iRacing, Nascar Racing 2003, 12 years ago? 😅 🤭
if you really want to go back it's the same founder and code base as grand prix legends from 1998, maybe even older
@@CaroFDoom you'd have to go back to 1995 (if not mistaken) to the Papyrus Nascar Racing title where it all started.
Then they improved a lot with gpl in 98, then came NR4, 2002 and the late 2003 which indeed is the base of iRacing
iRacing was awful when it was 1st released unless you wanted to nascar
17 fps wtf 4:20
Not much has changed, a testament to not having any competition in the market space. Kinda like EA and the madden franchise. Dont get me wrong, i love it, but for the cost it should be far better
You were clearly younger ahahahaha
I’m not 1st
33rd
It's always been iRenting. Great video nevertheless.
GP you should try forza motorsport, if it counts as sim racing
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