How I Fixed My Surfskate Pump, Stance, & Posture

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  • Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
  • Link to Shane Lai's UA-cam Channel: / @shanelai2515
    Link to Chris Mills' Surfskate Training Program: surfstrengthcoach.com/program...
    Link to Kale Brock's Surfskate Training Program:
    surfersroadmap.teachable.com/...
    In my first surfskate pumping tutorial ( • How to Pump on a Surfs... ) you'll see that, from a technical surfing standpoint, my technique could use some improvement.
    In this video, I demonstrate how I fixed my surfskate pumping, stance, and posture. This surfskate pumping tutorial will make you more efficient on a surfskate and help you have more fun on a surfskate!
    VIDEO TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 Surfskate Pumping Tutorial Intro
    02:06 Surfskate Pumping Principle: Skate Forward with Your Arms Forward
    02:36 The Proper Stance on a Surfskate
    03:20 How Your Surfskate Stance Affects Your Knee Bend
    03:57 Shifting the Hips and Shoulders to Face Forward
    04:54 How to Use Your Arms to Pump on a Surfskate
    07:10 How Your Back Arm Affects Your Balance
    08:03 Using Proper Compression and Extension to Pump a Surfskate
    09:58 The Circle Arms Technique
    12:06 Adding Shoulders to the Surfskate Pump
    13:20 The Shovel Technique
    14:37 The Infinity Sign Technique
    16:20 Involving the Hips in a Surfskate Pump
    17:38 Angling the Shoulders
    18:40 How to Steer on a Surfskate
    19:56 Putting it All Together
    The surfskates used in this video to teach how to pump on a surfskate are:
    1. Custom set-up that includes:
    Soulboardiy Revolution Adam Surfskate Deck: soulboardiy.com/revolution/
    YOW Meraki Surfskate Trucks: yowsurf.com/yowsurf/yow-merak...
    Seismic 66mm 79A Hot Spots Wheels (Plum): seismicskate.com/product/66mm...
    Tekton Steel Bearings
    2. YOW Malibu 36" with S5 trucks: yowsurf.com/yowsurf/yow-malib...
    3. YOW Pukas Dark 34.5" with Meraki Trucks: yowsurf.com/yowsurf/yow-pukas...
    Learn more about surfskating, learn how to surfskate, and choose your surfskate at Surfskate Love: www.surfskate.love
    Follow Surfskate Love on Facebook: / surfskatelovefb
    Follow Surfskate Love on Instagram: @surfskateloveig
    #surfskatelove #surfskate #surfskating #surfyourskate #surfskates #surfskaters #surfskateboard #surfskatelifestyle #yow #yowsurf #yowsurfskates #gopro
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  • @ChristopherThompson1980
    @ChristopherThompson1980 3 роки тому +62

    Your best video yet. The time you've spent on research and instructionals really shows through. Having that experience distilled into some pointers and exercises that I can keep in mind for my next outing is really helpful. Thanks a ton!

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +7

      Thanks so much, man! I really appreciate that. Glad you find it helpful.

  • @smeeagain-3199
    @smeeagain-3199 3 роки тому +40

    Another great instructional. It takes courage to revisit and point out where the technique in previous videos could be improved on. Respect where it's due! 👍

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +10

      Thank you! I have no pride. Just learning and having fun!

  • @Labuenavidasurf
    @Labuenavidasurf 3 роки тому +7

    Wow the progress of these guys from total beginners. Awesome lesson! Great teacher.

  • @bradensteiner3950
    @bradensteiner3950 2 роки тому +2

    Wow, awesome video guys! Steve and Liberty, you guys did awesome!

  • @gwencapistran2981
    @gwencapistran2981 3 роки тому +4

    Finally the video I've been searching for! You truly break everything down from stance and weight, to body posture and movements! A real coach! Can't wait to try these techniques! Thank you!

  • @fitforfreelance
    @fitforfreelance Рік тому

    Can't wait to try these tips!

  • @shelleycrowther
    @shelleycrowther 3 роки тому +8

    It's a small comment in the video but leaning your back knee where you want to go (on turns) added a lot of stability to my turns. Solid video

  • @YudiIiIiIiIiIiIiiIililili
    @YudiIiIiIiIiIiIiiIililili 2 роки тому

    Honestly I've tried all tips and tricks from other videos but this one was definitely the most effective and dynamic!! Keep going mate, love your passion, we share it with you

  • @otagon911
    @otagon911 3 роки тому +1

    Definitely going to put this in action as soon as possible. Great video.

  • @JFKaufmann
    @JFKaufmann 3 роки тому +14

    Fantastic tutorial Steve! The feet stance opens up a whole new motion of the body. Thanks for sharing your surf skate voyage with us.

  • @patrickchamberlain3980
    @patrickchamberlain3980 8 місяців тому

    Shane Lai and Kale Brock are excellent recommendations. I've learned a lot from their videos. This is great too, it's so easy to relate to. I see myself in these guys so much

  • @tulpa1940
    @tulpa1940 2 роки тому +1

    Got my first board, a slide, in today. Your videos are soooo helpful.

  • @Fabianosj
    @Fabianosj 2 роки тому +1

    Perfeito instructional video!!! I love it.

  • @barryrobertriela
    @barryrobertriela 3 роки тому +2

    Needed this being that I just started, thanks for another great video!

  • @clintonkeeler4801
    @clintonkeeler4801 2 роки тому

    Excellent video!! Thanks for speeding up my learning curve and correcting my technique. Legend!!

  • @KC-iw9ue
    @KC-iw9ue 3 роки тому

    One of the best Surfskate teaching video, Thank.

  • @lunarisalpha
    @lunarisalpha 2 роки тому

    Gold medal for surfskate tutorial!!! Cheers from Italy!

  • @BLAKE99msu
    @BLAKE99msu 2 роки тому

    This is awesome. I've been struggling to find the right flow and these were super helpful tips!

  • @michaelangeloshortis2970
    @michaelangeloshortis2970 Рік тому

    Fantastic tutorial. Thank you so much. Really appreciate your teaching approach.

  • @tuedtuez
    @tuedtuez 3 роки тому +10

    Respect from Thailand. Thank you for great lessons.

  • @nancyqiu5419
    @nancyqiu5419 2 роки тому

    Can’t wait to practise!

  • @AdventuresInSkateboarding
    @AdventuresInSkateboarding 2 роки тому

    I am late to the surfskate part.
    Appreciate you sharing your lessons learned.
    I just made a surf skate video and a lot of your awesome subscribers mentioned your channel to me to offer assistance. Very cool of them. Your community has some rad people in it.

  • @maxpfi9137
    @maxpfi9137 3 роки тому

    Awesome learning videos, thank you!

  • @norbertobaturonegil297
    @norbertobaturonegil297 3 роки тому +1

    Congratulations, Steve! Great improvement.

  • @nvisser3150
    @nvisser3150 11 місяців тому

    Just got into this fantastic sport, and this tutorial really got me the feeling thx so much for breaking this down so clearly.. i really progressed greatly due to this tutorial.. thx again..

  • @alaindeloin7036
    @alaindeloin7036 2 роки тому

    That's a very good video dude, thank you for all these informations !

  • @davidcondes
    @davidcondes 3 роки тому

    I'm just a begginer, starting from zero today, so I'm gonna try to put all this into practice. Thanks.

  • @somp.24
    @somp.24 3 роки тому

    Great tutorial! I will try tomorrow

  • @bronsondylankidd9496
    @bronsondylankidd9496 2 роки тому

    "Coffee Cup Arm" love it! Great tip. Awesome 🤙

  • @sarawootdamkerngsuntorn2669
    @sarawootdamkerngsuntorn2669 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for this tutorial from Thailand 🇹🇭

  • @jayphive2468
    @jayphive2468 Рік тому

    Dude, I watched this video and a few of your others, then went and bought a board. I accidentally ran into surf skate videos after looking for videos on longboard wheels which actually turned out to be a surfskate wheel. The best accident ever! I was able to pump all around a parking lot first time on my carver cx thanks to this video breakdown.

  • @rickycat8241
    @rickycat8241 Рік тому

    Simply one of the most useful videos on yt and I still haven't seen it all!!!

  • @LaDaAndKyn
    @LaDaAndKyn 3 роки тому

    Great tutorial Teacher. Thank you.

  • @1ajdelacruz
    @1ajdelacruz Рік тому

    great video - thanks for sharing - it made a lot of sense

  • @AWSMEAD
    @AWSMEAD Рік тому

    Very helpful vid. Riding with my feet at an angle has really helped me getting low on the board for long straight lines at speed particularly being quite tall. I have also found that Surfskating has really improved my balance/control for surfing and drop Knee bodyboarding. Loving it .

  • @crackin2000
    @crackin2000 3 роки тому +1

    I'm about to try these
    Love the coffee cup idea.

  • @AlwaysHappy494
    @AlwaysHappy494 2 роки тому

    Steve, Thanks again for all your wonderful videos. I am enjoying them like crazy. Just started and watching videos. Yours are the best for me. They are helping me a lot. Good day..

  • @richslade2903
    @richslade2903 2 роки тому

    Nice breakdown of the biomechanics 👍

  • @TheBentSpork
    @TheBentSpork 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks! I watched the Brock and Mills introductory videos couple months ago repeatedly and never quite got it. Your last video--even if due to oversimplification--quickly made SS fun finally. And thanks for the posture clarifications here, and taking the time to study and break it down for us. I'm excited to try it outside. I'm definitely sticking with this (and might even try the Brock and Mills programs now have a promising foundation)

  • @fdevlin5932
    @fdevlin5932 3 роки тому

    Huge improvement in performance and style, fantastic tutorial 10/10 !

  • @daniel-anez
    @daniel-anez 2 роки тому

    OH man! This video is amazing! I'm going to have to watch it again.... 20 times!!

  • @nottherealmccoy4955
    @nottherealmccoy4955 3 роки тому +4

    Wow, so much information, instruction & knowledge in one video, SUBSCRIBED!!! I'm 66, only had my surf skate one week, & having so much fun but so much to learn! You look so efficient when you skate, every scrap of energy is propelling you forward! Love how stoked you are too! :)

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Thanks so much! Glad you find it helpful.

    • @AlwaysHappy494
      @AlwaysHappy494 2 роки тому +1

      Same here. I am 65 y.y. lady in Calgary, Canada. I love the way Steve explains everything. I Thank S.S. for giving us the opportunity of enjoying life.

    • @nottherealmccoy4955
      @nottherealmccoy4955 2 роки тому +1

      @@AlwaysHappy494 Haha, we are of similar vintage!!What board do you ride? :)

  • @Naan_Chonlachart
    @Naan_Chonlachart 3 роки тому +2

    "MUST WATCH" video, I like the way you teach! it helps me to image and feel the movement while watching even I was at my dining table.

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      This makes me happy to hear! Thanks so much for sharing!

  • @pazon29
    @pazon29 3 роки тому +1

    Love it ,Master

  • @alberu
    @alberu 3 роки тому

    Very very useful stuff. Thank very much. More technique videos please.

  • @eduamendola
    @eduamendola 3 роки тому

    Well done! Fantastic job as usual :)

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Eduardo, my friend, you’re the one who prompted my progress and this video! Thanks so much!

  • @TheSoftPuddingChannel
    @TheSoftPuddingChannel 2 роки тому

    Great improvement

  • @michaell8002
    @michaell8002 3 роки тому +1

    I use the Kale Brock. It's great. Great vid🤙

  • @asher2865
    @asher2865 2 роки тому

    Dude I got to thank you a lot! I tried just the first tip about forward posture and something in my hip/knee clicked correctly! I've been having some issues with pain in these areas but just as I shifted my stance forward it felt like I've been even walking wrong! Thanks m8!

  • @markbollen431
    @markbollen431 3 роки тому

    Great video buddy!
    It helps, as I started to do during the lock down and simply love it!

  • @Martjevdwielen
    @Martjevdwielen 3 роки тому

    Very helpful, thank you 🙏

  • @semlja
    @semlja Рік тому

    Прекрасное объяснение

  • @Ede1vveiss
    @Ede1vveiss 2 роки тому

    Just started today. No background in skating whatsoever. The slight front-facing feet positioning really helped with stability when doing a pushing start :)

  • @ChrisGenau
    @ChrisGenau 3 роки тому

    That is one great video Steve!!!

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +1

      Bro, guys like you already know all this stuff. The rest of us are just trying to catch up. 😂

    • @ChrisGenau
      @ChrisGenau 3 роки тому

      @@SurfskateLove haha one is never finished with learning ;)
      And it’s always great to get other perspectives 🙌🏼
      I basically took the same path you did, just 5 years ago already and having surfing in my history ^^
      But even after all that time I still learned a lot from Cris and Kale - and you’re Video is one awesome summary!!

  • @mateusz.nester
    @mateusz.nester Рік тому

    Thank you for this video🤝🙂

  • @dogsigh
    @dogsigh 3 роки тому

    Much easier to bail too... if you're facing forward more. Very helpful video!

  • @LapoSapo
    @LapoSapo 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video, thanks

  • @ColindeSilva
    @ColindeSilva Рік тому

    In carving snowboarding, you hear the terms "plus" and "minus" position, relating to position of shoulders to board when looking down from above. So when you are doing a toe-side turn, you are in minus position (shoulders in line with board) and when doing a heel-side turn, you are in plus position (shoulders perpendicular to board), the twist thus induced, combined with the correctly timed knee bend, helping to set up the edge for carving.

  • @lemin0202
    @lemin0202 4 місяці тому

    My first wonderful, handsome, super talented teacher 🔥🔥🔥
    From Vietnamese student - where this subject is not really known to many people!!! Love it ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

  • @Tg28969
    @Tg28969 3 роки тому

    Hello Professor, Very good teaching demonstration, easy to understand and very useful. I will try to practice as good as Training Program. Thanks you so much, from Thailand.

  • @SkaterDeeVlog
    @SkaterDeeVlog 3 роки тому

    Great video! You’re a natural teacher. I’ve been surf skating for about a year and a half and find myself still learning better, more efficient ways to gain momentum and proper technique. For example, I just tried applying the techniques you showed in this video to my own and found carving on turns to be much easier, and I have more confidence going into them when I position my arms the way you show here. I think a large part of it is pulling your center of gravity closer to your body to spin faster, like a figure skater. Wide arms = slow spin. Narrow arms = fast spin. It allows you to carve in a smaller space for faster turn arounds. Arm placement is so important!
    However, I do like to put my arm back just to change things up (and because it feels good... like cutting through the wind when coasting).
    Always be learning!

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I've been surprised by how much arms influence balance. I play around with it a lot.

  • @mauricem.9014
    @mauricem.9014 3 роки тому

    Love it! Thank you so much again and again. 🙏👍👍

  • @surfonland3402
    @surfonland3402 3 роки тому

    Very interesting videos steve.... Very helpful and informative... 👍

  • @Weavesurfskate
    @Weavesurfskate 3 роки тому +1

    great coach! nice lesson, this guy really know how to ride it

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Nah. But I know some Poland dudes who do!

  • @IntuitiveReview
    @IntuitiveReview 3 роки тому

    this is awesome, thanks so much for this!

  • @aristeoperez9790
    @aristeoperez9790 2 роки тому

    Thank you!

  • @yimzzz
    @yimzzz 3 роки тому

    OK! I learned from your first vdo and now this feet stance is unlock the whole new world. Thank!

  • @EkapolTharasiriroj
    @EkapolTharasiriroj 3 роки тому +8

    Great tutorial. I notice your body looks more like a surfer too. Surf skate is really a full body workout.

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +2

      Yep! Amazing exercise. I haven't been to the gym in months. I just skate an hour or two a day. 😀

  • @LGLucid
    @LGLucid 3 роки тому

    Many thanks for these great videos, Steve. I haven't ridden a skateboard in years, but you inspired me to pick one up. The market is super tough right now, but I was able to import a Slide Gussie from Europe. Can't wait to get my hands on it and spend this summer learning how to surfskate~

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +1

      This makes me so happy to hear! Every time I convert someone to surfskating, an angel gets its wings. 😁 You’ll love that Slide! Keep me posted on how it goes.

  • @TOOKTAYOGAPILATES
    @TOOKTAYOGAPILATES 2 роки тому

    Thank you!!

  • @alejandromoran8841
    @alejandromoran8841 3 роки тому

    Bravo¡¡¡¡¡ you made a perfect compilation about the perfect satnce on a surfskate board. thanks for sharing GO on¡

  • @JahCoMusic
    @JahCoMusic 9 місяців тому

    Okay, I will shut up after this comment😂… I commented on a couple of your previous videos. I saw a number of potential fixes, but I mostly commented on the lack of instruction on generating power backside (heel edge). I was about to recommend watching Kale Brock and Cris Mills, so I’m super glad you tapped into them on your own . They are both great. Kale really describes the generation of backside speed well with the “digging with a shovel” technique.
    Yes, the surfing technique will make you look way better which may not matter at all, but it will certainly improve your overall surfskate ability too and that should not be underestimated. it also will be more transferrable to other board sports.
    Glad to see you spreading the word of Kale and Cris. I also love OMBE, most of his tutorials are for surfing, but he uses surfskate training a lot, very helpful.

  • @okanmeable
    @okanmeable 3 роки тому +1

    This is an amazing tutorial, I subscribed after watching you VDO and I’ve been practicing follow your tips. Btw. I’m a beginner. This is helping me a lot from zero and still counting 😘 much love from Bangkok

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +1

      Great to hear, Nicky! Check out surfskatingfornonsurfers.com

  • @user-ud1ps7tw6e
    @user-ud1ps7tw6e 3 роки тому

    Best ลุงสอนดีมาก เล่นเป็น ภายใน1ชม เพราะคลิบก่อนหน้า มาปรับท่าที่คลิบนี้ต่อ 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @coppershark1973
    @coppershark1973 Рік тому

    Much MUCH better!

  • @surfskaterelaxation8616
    @surfskaterelaxation8616 3 роки тому

    My man Steve brilliant Thanks

  • @maiky7827
    @maiky7827 3 роки тому

    This is fantastic. I used compression and extensions methods technique from you but most of thai tutorial will tell you that its mainly upper body movement which like you said it works but it’s not efficient.

  • @joeydaley6000
    @joeydaley6000 3 роки тому

    Ayyye forms looking good!. And the teaching is on point! Keep up the great work bud!!

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому +1

      I learn by watching you, my friend! 🙌

    • @joeydaley6000
      @joeydaley6000 3 роки тому

      @@SurfskateLove pretty soon we'll be able to do a duos routine!! Keep on grinding buddy n ill do the same!

  • @Monoed
    @Monoed 3 роки тому +3

    I’ve been using my surfskate loads to improve my forward facing drive and compression for surfing. 1 thing to work on outside of skate/surf is ankle strength and mobility so you can keep the back foot square and roll it over rather than turning foot forward. Lots of 1 footed kettle bell squats and pass across body as well as waking on an indoboard roller or pvc pipe. Think even Chris mills has a vid on pvc pipe balancing etc.
    Loving the surfskate for just getting used to facing forward and driving low and compressing etc

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Yes, increasing flexibility on all fronts is my number focus right now.

  • @PsyCodeqz
    @PsyCodeqz Рік тому

    I gotten so good with the back foot pumping that I'm able to pump without the front trucks on the ground, basically a manual while pumping. That was with normal technical skateboards, so i can't wait to get into these type of trucks and boards and the rail 2 rail action, because it's really not the same. I was pumping with stiff grommets doing a type of tap tap motion with the front wheels in a 45 degree angle between each front truck tap, if that makes sense. Once I saw your "cup method", I realized that I have been doing that years but not with these multi-dimensional trucks. Saving up for the Yow Meraki's to rock a lightweight 27 inch long "mini" sector 9 for quick start pumping for pump tracks and easy air time and small launches, and maybe some 360 micro grabs and I'll be happy. But the main reason I'm riding is so I can delivery food much faster in those high rise apartments where you have to walk 80 yards just to get to a persons door. I hate those apartments, but at least I can use people's codes to take advantage of their gyms and pools

  • @PierreRousseau1958
    @PierreRousseau1958 2 роки тому

    Amazing.

  • @Valtor70
    @Valtor70 3 роки тому

    Thanks for this tutorial greetings from Europe!!

  • @ShortyDeer
    @ShortyDeer 3 роки тому

    Now that 2 guys from ep. 1 are pro now . I learn a lot from this vdo. Tks

  • @nitayasrimongkoltarathorn7838
    @nitayasrimongkoltarathorn7838 3 роки тому

    Love so much.
    Thankyou.

  • @igq91
    @igq91 3 роки тому

    Thank you Sir!!!🙏🏼

  • @nadster76
    @nadster76 3 роки тому

    These videos are great man, I wish I lived near you all, there are no surfskaters in this town here in the UK, and the tarmac suuuuuuucks!!!

  • @uasteios
    @uasteios 3 роки тому

    So I tried it and the advice with the arm as leading the balance is quite amazing. I just need practice but that’s good advice indeed.

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Good to hear! It sure has made a huge difference for me.

  • @kkkk1395
    @kkkk1395 3 роки тому +1

    very nice!

  • @melissadye4416
    @melissadye4416 3 роки тому +3

    When you reach forward, throw that weight into it. Shifting your weight really fuels the pump. Thank you for these videos! I went out today for the first time and was carving all over the blacktop like I was surfing again. Thank you for your amazing guidance-I wore my Surfskate Love hat too 😁

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      Nice! Love it. 🙌

    • @truedanbo
      @truedanbo 2 роки тому

      Hi Melissa, quick question, when you say throw that weight, do you mean before scoop, or after scoop? Struggling a bit with it at the moment. Not sure if the scooping or extension after scooping actually gives the forward mementum. Thanks a lot!

  • @alinepalacio9331
    @alinepalacio9331 3 роки тому

    Your technique is very good 🤝

    • @SurfskateLove
      @SurfskateLove  3 роки тому

      I think a lot of surfers would disagree. 😂 But thank you!

  • @user-yd4pk1dm8u
    @user-yd4pk1dm8u 2 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @iss_singha3197
    @iss_singha3197 3 роки тому

    Awesome!! Bro, Thx a lot

  • @wise_nut
    @wise_nut 3 роки тому

    best video !!! I’m having such weird chopstick posture gotta fix it

  • @uasteios
    @uasteios 3 роки тому +1

    At least, this makes you want to try. And I’ll try this tomorrow.

  • @theeusonho
    @theeusonho 11 місяців тому

    Grato estou reaprendendo com vc!

  • @TeddyDeanShorts
    @TeddyDeanShorts Рік тому

    This video has been super helpful! One nit-pick though; heels-down toes-up would be the equivalent (in surfing) of a back-side bottom turn. Some people may find it more natural to do the opposite: toes-down heels-up. This makes sense then why, in your bowl riding videos, you have trouble with your front-side turns in the bowl. You're almost exclusively practicing the back-side turns on flat ground. Seems like the recommendation should be to practice both as equally as possible.

  • @user-hv5yt1ts3i
    @user-hv5yt1ts3i 7 місяців тому

    BEST VIDEO EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @andreshernan3766
    @andreshernan3766 3 роки тому +1

    Excelente vídeo 😎 un saludo afectuoso desde Chile 🇨🇱🏞️

  • @DP-Universe
    @DP-Universe 2 роки тому

    When they did the “snaky” thing at about 17:25 it looked much smoother and with more power to the pump!

  • @jurikan
    @jurikan 3 роки тому

    Good vid steve. Nice excercise is the take a bucket in the hands, take inaginairy water and throw it away on the other side, maybe a little over the shoulder. That way you also learn how to shift weight from front to back