72 Tracks in 25 Years | All IndyCar Tracks 1996-2021

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  • Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
  • "If you don't like the weather in Indianapolis, wait five minutes, it will change." Well the IndyCar schedule changes almost as quickly. One of the things that makes IndyCar interesting is the fact that they will race literally anywhere that wants them. They will even schedule a race where no track exists and hope that one appears by the time they get there. 72 tracks in 25 years is quite a lot, here they all are.
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  • @nascarmanHistory
    @nascarmanHistory  2 роки тому +29

    Comment if you went to a race at a track IndyCar dropped from their schedule

    • @nascar07fan
      @nascar07fan 2 роки тому +2

      Charlotte

    • @rainingmoneyx
      @rainingmoneyx 2 роки тому +5

      Cleveland honestly, it was chaotic but brought lots of classic moments

    • @djobe420
      @djobe420 2 роки тому +1

      Watkins glen

    • @AutoRockinRacing94
      @AutoRockinRacing94 2 роки тому +1

      Sonoma

    • @Buynot
      @Buynot 2 роки тому +3

      I went to Sonoma in 2014 and Fontana in 2015. God I wish they came back to Fontana just one last time.

  • @barneyward6448
    @barneyward6448 2 роки тому +49

    I'd love to see IndyCar do an overseas race again, but realistically I sadly don't see that happening anytime soon.

    • @TripleAlfafa
      @TripleAlfafa 2 роки тому +9

      It would make most sense for them to do Canada and Mexico at most. Travel distances and time zones won't affect the schedule and there's good venues in both places.

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 2 роки тому +3

      @@TripleAlfafa silver stone would be a nice track for Indy if it’s ever possible

    • @TripleAlfafa
      @TripleAlfafa 2 роки тому +7

      @@anthonymolina7416 IMO they should do Donnington instead if they must go to UK. In EU, the best tracks for Indycar would be Imola, Assen and Jerez.

    • @abyss18
      @abyss18 2 роки тому

      i hope they go back to Europe, to maybe Donnington Park or Brands Hatch, it would really bring big exposure for Indycar in Europe

    • @wendigockel
      @wendigockel Рік тому

      Or bring the Lausitzring Oval up to modern standards and check two boxes at once: Another oval and an international race.

  • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
    @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +34

    *cries in Homestead, Chicagoland, Watkins Glen, Kansas, Michigan, Milwaukee (imagine an IndyCar throwback weekend at Milwaukee), Montreal, Motegi, Nashville Superspeedway, New Hampshire, Pikes Peak, Pocono, Richmond, São Paulo, and Surfers Paradise*
    So many GOOD tracks off the schedule….. pain

    • @DiegoOspina86
      @DiegoOspina86 2 роки тому +2

      😭😭😭

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 2 роки тому +2

      *cries in Vancouver for you as well*

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому +2

      the only one of these that left the schedule for non attendance reason was homestead, motegi, pocono, pikes peak and surfers paradise. the rest of them are gone cause no one gave a shit to attend

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +3

      @@xSoccerxCorex yeah I think everybody knows that….
      Plus it’s also because of last of marketing and advertising, or bad advertising which didn’t grab a lot of attention like Gateway and/Iowa does

    • @dustykh
      @dustykh 2 роки тому +8

      I will never forgive ISC for killing Nazereth and Pikes Peak

  • @louisberkowitz4350
    @louisberkowitz4350 2 роки тому +39

    Thanks for using Bob Jenkins wherever you could, hearing his voice again for the first time for the last time

  • @OriginalRyGuy
    @OriginalRyGuy 2 роки тому +22

    I wish Montreal returns to IndyCar one year. They really need more Canadian or other international races on their schedules.

    • @jonathan_tong93
      @jonathan_tong93 2 роки тому +3

      There might be an update on the 2022 NTT IndyCar Series schedule so one of the Iowa IndyCar Series series races could be relocated to the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. The Harvest IndyCar Grand Prix could be held on October 16, 2022 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Road Course and the Genesys EchoPark Automotive 500 could be rescheduled to Labor Day

  • @johnnystir9796
    @johnnystir9796 2 роки тому +36

    I miss Bob Jenkins.

  • @858Bill
    @858Bill 2 роки тому +16

    Cleveland was a circuit even the drivers loved....
    Spectators could literally see the entire lap as open and flat as it was....
    Beyond that....I really feel the season should be AT LEAST HALF ovals.....

    • @lonewolf2513
      @lonewolf2513 11 місяців тому +1

      I think they loved the fact the flats were just a stones throw away from the track but I can't imagine anyone being mad if that track does miraculously return

  • @MMR_LM
    @MMR_LM 2 роки тому +5

    It still blows my mind to this day that they raced at Brands Hatch

  • @garyskippracing
    @garyskippracing 2 роки тому +4

    That San Jose footage is WILD. Who that that was a good idea?!?
    I love that you can tell the era just by the engine notes. But I also hate it.

    • @YoSuey
      @YoSuey Рік тому

      They kinda did it again with Baltimore and Miami lol

  • @lordkinbote74
    @lordkinbote74 2 роки тому +6

    The last year of champ car is like a race fan's fever dream.

  • @MrChristopherHaas
    @MrChristopherHaas 2 роки тому +4

    Congrats on being the only racing doc voice I actually don’t cringe at and await you’re next offering.

  • @djobe420
    @djobe420 2 роки тому +13

    0:39
    I totally forgot about that truck, what a disaster that could've been

    • @willplu6483
      @willplu6483 2 роки тому +1

      I loved the Baltimore race, I went two years in a row! There was the ALMS series the same weekend. Great crazy racing all around!

    • @mistertheking
      @mistertheking 2 роки тому +5

      way too crazy with that safety vehicle on track. Considering what we saw happen with Jules, that's not a sight I want to relive.

  • @jordansomeone2555
    @jordansomeone2555 2 роки тому +8

    So many wonderful international tracks, all gone now… 😥

  • @w4dester
    @w4dester 2 роки тому +4

    if they're gonna spend a ton of money to bring a track back, it oughta be pikes peak or the denver street course. a pretty sizeable racing market left with an arca west race and nothin else

  • @gregrandolph
    @gregrandolph 2 роки тому +5

    I went to several races at California/Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, including the last race held there in 2015. I'm still bitter that it was, first changed from the season finale, then dropped altogether.

  • @onethumbks
    @onethumbks 2 роки тому +6

    Loudon was a perfect indycar (cart) 1 mile track. Went to several of the early events. If Pocono ever comes back I’m going.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому

      the crowds at loudon sucked tho

    • @eggselent9814
      @eggselent9814 11 місяців тому

      Pocono is never coming back after what happened

  • @DiegoOspina86
    @DiegoOspina86 2 роки тому +14

    Nazareth, Cleveland, Fontana, Michigan, Homestead, Twin Ring Motegi, Pocono, Milwaukee, Surfers paradise.... 😭😭😭

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 2 роки тому +2

      Vancouver.. 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @Corvoreviews
    @Corvoreviews 2 роки тому +3

    ahhh the brasilia race, a race that was announced with, if I remember correctly, 4 months and a very long list of renovations/new buildings to be built, of course it was going to be dropped, and man so many good circuits that we don't have anymore for any kind of racing...

  • @jefferyrobertson7520
    @jefferyrobertson7520 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks For Uploading IndyCar Is Awesome ☺

  • @RickinBaltimore
    @RickinBaltimore 2 роки тому +2

    I still try to wrap my head around the fact we had an Indy Car circuit in downtown Baltimore.

  • @skycutter3656
    @skycutter3656 2 роки тому +5

    This makes me wonder if Indycar could get worldwide again, but I think we would need more oval tracks, but I can see Indycar return to Rio and Surfers Paradise.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому +2

      the sao paulo race will return before they can go back to rio, since that oval is gone

  • @PescaraProductions
    @PescaraProductions 2 роки тому +5

    Oh Rockingham what you could have been. And what you sadly ended up becoming :(

  • @andresgutierrez8383
    @andresgutierrez8383 2 роки тому +4

    Did anyone noticed at 0:39 that close call with the safety truck at Baltimore's T1?

  • @Mrmayhembsc
    @Mrmayhembsc 2 роки тому +4

    rockingham is the one I miss as a race track :( shame what happened to that track

  • @patrickracer43
    @patrickracer43 2 роки тому +2

    IndyCar: *schedules a race in China*
    Also IndyCar: "ight, Imma head out"

  • @AlistairMaxwell77
    @AlistairMaxwell77 2 роки тому +5

    so many great ovals gone . michigan and fontana need to come back above all others

  • @philback7920
    @philback7920 2 роки тому +2

    Drove from Cincinnati to Nola for that race..brutal weekend

  • @KK-ex5zu
    @KK-ex5zu 2 роки тому +1

    AS a huge NASCAR fan but viewer of Indy car, I always respected the fact they never as a series had hangups about shaking things up and trying out new tracks!!!!! I've never quite understood the politics as to why they cut tracks fans and drivers love in Indy? If the tickets at the track don't sell and the TV ratings suck I understand that, but if everyone likes the tracks why they cut the tracks out of the season I will never understand. Richmond, Michigan, Pocono great tracks!!!! But if tracks like Nazareth get closed down, nothing can really be done about that.......

  • @Jeff.3
    @Jeff.3 2 роки тому +8

    0:20 bruh Mike joy used to do commentary for indycar?

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @Altamonteric
      @Altamonteric 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah late 90s IRL is a fever dream in terms of drivers and commentary teams. He usually would do the TNN/CBS races.

    • @interstate366
      @interstate366 2 роки тому +1

      He also apparently briefly did F1 in the 90s.

    • @Altamonteric
      @Altamonteric 2 роки тому +2

      @@interstate366 Yeah for Fox Sports Net. Those were up for a short time before FOM decided to nuke that one account with the US feed calls from the internet.

    • @dxfifa
      @dxfifa 2 роки тому

      @@Altamonteric asopher is uploading again but i don't think he does f1

  • @billymercury3897
    @billymercury3897 2 роки тому +5

    Pikes Peak

  • @lonewolf2513
    @lonewolf2513 2 роки тому +2

    Cleveland was such a gem but mid ohio we were hyped when they came back in 07

  • @Altamonteric
    @Altamonteric 2 роки тому +6

    I think a lot of these come down to stuff that was there fault (Street races in certain markets just not working out in the long term, Cutting Fontana after giving it a death slot in the schedule, Champ Car trying to Neo-F1 by the end) stuff that's kind of half them/half other parties (Certain tracks being too dangerous to run Indycar, bad attendance numbers for X reason, the fact that there was essentially 30 American Open Wheel races a year for 12 of those years) and stuff not their fault (the big league behind the scenes stuff with the Nascar ovals that had most of them gone by the late 2000s, oval racing attendance across the board struggling hard in the 2010s, Certain organizers shitting the bed in terms of promotion/logistics).
    They've only recently in the last few years gotten the schedule stable enough to where we're not seeing that much drop-off which helps out with the year-to-year stuff, but i do feel like a couple tracks on this list have all the reason to return (IE Fontana, Sonoma, Michigan, COTA, Homestead, ETC) and should be the series
    focus rather than super out there new markets in random ass places.

    • @danielhenderson8316
      @danielhenderson8316 2 роки тому +2

      Fontana is impossible in the 1/2 mile configuration ISC is planning for it, Michigan won't happen as long as Roger Penske is promoting Detroit, too many races in California to add Sonoma back in, COTA dropped IndyCar after getting NASCAR in the schedule, and none of the other ISC or SMI tracks are willing to spend money to promote races.

    • @Altamonteric
      @Altamonteric 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah agreed on that.
      I'd like to see Fontana happen for the morbid curosity but totally could see why not, I feel like Michigan has a better chance now that Detroit has lost a race and it seems like Penske is shopping around town. Sonoma would be better for me Travel-wise as its closer to where i live than Laguna but thats my bias more than anything.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому +1

      @@Altamonteric detriot didn't lose a race, the belle isle nimby's are about to get their wish and the race moves back to the city. no way they return to MIS, it'll make fontana 2015 look like a packed house

  • @andreasgrothe9940
    @andreasgrothe9940 2 роки тому +4

    0:20, 1:13, 1:48, 3:37, 3:52, 5:56, 7:30 and 7:52 Atlanta, Charlotte, COTA, Kentucky, Las Vegas, New Hampshire, Sonoma and Texas needs a Dallara DW-12

  • @billymercury3897
    @billymercury3897 2 роки тому +5

    Hopefully Indycar returns to Toronto in 2022

  • @theflagstand
    @theflagstand 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for using start clips instead of spoiler clips!

  • @ilanlaham6911
    @ilanlaham6911 Рік тому +1

    Hopefully they bring back Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico. If we talk about adding races outside the US it's the most plausible choice.

  • @tacklefatkids
    @tacklefatkids 2 роки тому +2

    Idk if anyone else mentioned but Nazareth?

  • @blankpage555
    @blankpage555 2 роки тому +1

    I cannot comprehend when I see the full house of California Speedway and now

  • @RenoF1
    @RenoF1 2 роки тому +11

    Man do i miss the times when ovals were dominating the schedule.

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +4

      I wish circuits and ovals were 50/50 on the schedule

    • @RenoF1
      @RenoF1 2 роки тому +2

      @@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT That would be a fantastic balance

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +2

      @@RenoF1 perfectly balanced

    • @negangains2684
      @negangains2684 2 роки тому +4

      @@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT As all things should be.

    • @danielhenderson8316
      @danielhenderson8316 2 роки тому +2

      And to think Tony George's dream series turned into CART-lite.

  • @SiVlog1989
    @SiVlog1989 2 роки тому +2

    I may be biased as a Brit, coupled with the fact that it's my local race track, but I would love to see Indycar race at Brands Hatch :)

    • @lordshankracing4724
      @lordshankracing4724 2 роки тому

      Isn't that track a bit too small for Indycar?

    • @SiVlog1989
      @SiVlog1989 2 роки тому +1

      @@lordshankracing4724 I'm not talking about the aptly named Indy track, which Champ Car raced on, I'm talking about the Grand Prix configuration

    • @lordshankracing4724
      @lordshankracing4724 2 роки тому

      @@SiVlog1989 oh ok. Makes sense now

  • @andreasgrothe9940
    @andreasgrothe9940 2 роки тому +2

    0:30 Maryland needs motorsports!, without racing Maryland is no place like home for America and the world

  • @SuperNASCARfan
    @SuperNASCARfan 2 роки тому +1

    I want them to race at Atlanta again

  • @nathanstroud2223
    @nathanstroud2223 2 роки тому +1

    Toronto isn't active, and I wouldn't count on that race ever coming back.

  • @dee_gkbfan722
    @dee_gkbfan722 2 роки тому +1

    Bruh why was Ronald McDonalds waving the green flag when an official was doing the same thing at the same time lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @jonathankraus9365
    @jonathankraus9365 2 роки тому +1

    Really need a race on the east coast other than St Pete again. Closest race to me in MD is Mid Ohio and that's still a 8 hour drive. Pocono and Richmond would be 3-4 hours and Watkins Glen would still be more reasonable than Ohio.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому +1

      fans weren't going to any other east coast race outside of pocono, and without a title sponsor they aren't coming back.

  • @matthewlo7868
    @matthewlo7868 2 роки тому +3

    8:09 God I miss having Indycar in Vancouver… 😢😢😢😢😢

    • @jonathan_tong93
      @jonathan_tong93 2 роки тому

      Hopefully the Formula E World Championship could revive the Molson Indy Vancouver as the Vancouver ePrix

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 2 роки тому

      @@jonathan_tong93 I heard that that will be a reality, but it still won’t be the same..

  • @discodavid26
    @discodavid26 2 роки тому

    That Rio oval that drove like an roval needs to be rebuilt to the same specifications with only difference is to place deep tire barriers/safer wall on the outside added … if that’s not possible in Rio now because off the Olympic site … then build it somewhere else please mr Penske!🙏🏻

  • @dustykh
    @dustykh 2 роки тому +2

    To think they still race at texas but not watkins glen or sonoma.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому

      more people show up for texas then sonoma & watkins glen combined

  • @twiggyb8713
    @twiggyb8713 2 роки тому +1

    Losing Homestead was my So-called final loss. Then they lost Wheldon and "Danica," at the same race and even with the new car... just hasn't really been the same

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому +1

      if the isc/indycar beef didn't happen, vegas 2011 doesn't happen.

    • @twiggyb8713
      @twiggyb8713 2 роки тому

      @@xSoccerxCorex normally I'd agree but the problem was the setup to begin in at least the Vegas event. Danica had expressed an interest in Nascar as early as 2009 and full sent after Vegas, though there were a lot of under lying circumstances, the believe that just the Cart, Indy split of 93-08 is responsible wouldn't give it justice. I know the promos were to bring back relativity to a "dying sport," but the domino's were being dropped weather or not the thing was striving. Now I was 11 when Wheldon died so it may be an instance where I see something I saw as traumatic and built a story around it

  • @jacobevenson8702
    @jacobevenson8702 2 роки тому +1

    I say it all the time, but if/when Indycar goes to Homestead, the moment tickets are on sale, I am buying.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому

      apparently nascar thinks you're a liar, or else they wouldn't had blocked indycar from coming back in 2022

    • @jacobevenson8702
      @jacobevenson8702 2 роки тому +1

      @@xSoccerxCorex Or NASCAR knows that Indycar would produce a much much better race at NASCAR’s best 1.5 miler compared to the cup series with their current ass package. Knowing how NASCAR management is, they would hate to see a different series run a more entertaining race than nascar could currently produce at a track they own.

    • @xSoccerxCorex
      @xSoccerxCorex 2 роки тому

      @@jacobevenson8702 doesn't matter if people don't buy tickets, which is why they left and nascar won't let them back in.

  • @robertlynn4435
    @robertlynn4435 2 роки тому +2

    I hope IndyCar Return to Circuit of the America Richmond Raceway Saturday Night Race Milwaukee Miles Surfers Paradise Street Circuit Charlotte Motor Speedway become layout Call Charlotte Roval and Homestead is become Championship Finale and Night Race and IndyCar added Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez Mexico Grand Prix and IndyCar Remove of Texas Motor Speedway 2023 Schedule and 22 Race for 2023 IndyCar.

    • @manuelgrothe608
      @manuelgrothe608 2 роки тому +1

      lets not forget New Hampshire, Atlanta, Kentucky, Las Vegas and Texas would have road courses lke Charlotte, COTA and Sonoma

  • @acecombat2shill
    @acecombat2shill 2 роки тому

    5:49 Pain.

  • @blankpage555
    @blankpage555 Рік тому +1

    You missed Miami and Vancouver it seems

  • @blankpage555
    @blankpage555 Рік тому

    Well done. F1 will be put to shame to spin the whole new vegas track thing and its lame unability to have a race in downtown Miami

  • @YoSuey
    @YoSuey Рік тому

    Why does Indy go through so many tracks? There's alot of good tracks that they just stopped going to.

  • @damnmarkey
    @damnmarkey 2 роки тому

    I gotta feeling they'll return to COTA

  • @MarkMeadows90
    @MarkMeadows90 2 роки тому +1

    Miss those old CART/Champ Cars from the late 90s, and those Oldsmobile 4 liter V8s the Indy Cars used to race with.

  • @sakshamsharma5429
    @sakshamsharma5429 2 роки тому +4

    Instead of racing in streets of Sao Paulo, why didn't they just race at Interlagos instead ?

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +1

      I mean I like São Paulo, but you’re not wrong

    • @JSRacing61
      @JSRacing61 2 роки тому +6

      From what I understand, it was basically on the competition end between the TV broadcasters of F1 (at the time: Globo) and IndyCar (at the time: Band) - as they were also the race promoters for the races in the country.

    • @danielhenderson8316
      @danielhenderson8316 2 роки тому +1

      Because Interlagos didn't pay them to come racing.

  • @invisiblecrumb2027
    @invisiblecrumb2027 5 місяців тому

    Toronto

  • @joba2872
    @joba2872 Рік тому

    Two versions of Houston

  • @jyhan1q94
    @jyhan1q94 2 роки тому

    I still can't understand that chicane in Baltimore straight...

  • @RollerCoasterLineProductions

    07:16 who in their right mind thought it would be a good idea to construct a course w train track crossings in it?

    • @mmack647
      @mmack647 Рік тому

      Gives it a "Dukes of Hazzard" angle. Should've given the cars horns that played "Dixie".

  • @FrankBakulov
    @FrankBakulov 2 роки тому +1

    Cool compilation, but you've mixed ChampCar and IRL like it's the same series. Current IndyCar stats does the same falsification, for example, acting like Bourdais and Tracy are their champions.

    • @nate567987
      @nate567987 2 роки тому

      that is because it is by indy logic so yea

    • @HODIUSDUDE
      @HODIUSDUDE 2 роки тому +2

      It's IndyCar "Mythstory". They also still recognize retroactively created/assigned champions for the period when there was NO point system from 1909 to 1915.

  • @michaelflaherty3202
    @michaelflaherty3202 2 роки тому

    I remember the Asian cancellation policy. Every year there was a new one that obviously had no chance of working, and every year it would get cancelled.

  • @nate567987
    @nate567987 2 роки тому

    in the .... texas ... 5 . 50

  • @danverss6176
    @danverss6176 2 роки тому

    THEY RACED IN ZOLDER???

  • @stephenrobert7987
    @stephenrobert7987 2 роки тому

    How many of these tracks has Dixon ran at?

  • @samuelnunes9568
    @samuelnunes9568 Рік тому

    Come back to Brazil!

  • @neurimenezes2086
    @neurimenezes2086 Рік тому

    7:21 IT´S SÃO PAULO NOT SAO PAOLO

  • @acecombat2shill
    @acecombat2shill 2 роки тому

    0:30 what commentator is this

  • @nickjasperse9903
    @nickjasperse9903 Рік тому

    Indycar shoud race at zandvoort road corse whide banks

  • @earladamstuart1251
    @earladamstuart1251 Місяць тому

    7:13.

  • @JoeBobTarheel
    @JoeBobTarheel 2 роки тому

    IndyCar at Dover sounded like a awful idea

    • @KK-ex5zu
      @KK-ex5zu 2 роки тому

      Dover spent lots of money smoothing the bumps out of the corners to cater to the Indy cars, I think Indy car only raced there once. It was a brutal race from what I remember lots of crashes!!!!! I was excited to see them race there, but yes its too treacherous for the Indy cars too high speed for only a one mile track steep corners.

    • @HODIUSDUDE
      @HODIUSDUDE 2 роки тому

      @@KK-ex5zu It was two years, 98 & 99. They actually raced there in 1969 too. That's where Mario destroyed the 1969 Brawner Hawk.

  • @S_marengo
    @S_marengo 2 роки тому

    I guess this is not all of the tracks..

  • @danilomancini
    @danilomancini 2 роки тому

    São PAUlo*

  • @BlacktoothgrinUA
    @BlacktoothgrinUA 2 роки тому

    That's not IndyCar tracks, that's IndyCar and CART/ChampCar tracks.

    • @nate567987
      @nate567987 2 роки тому

      they are the same in the books now