Will This 3D Printed Horten Fly?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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The longer nose-wheel for increased aoa was a distinctive feature on the actual prototype plane! So cool to see that fix discovered in small-scale model testing. :)
There is an old saying; scale flies like full scale. Bad airframes/aerodynamics full scale will fly that way scale. I have watched more people write off scale P-38s trying to do things low and slow, and the Lightning was pure death on things like that. Tommy Maguire (no 2 USAAF ace during WWII) lost his life in a crash when he broke his own rule about NEVER engaging in combat at low altitude and spun in.
I always considered the front wheel of the prototype to be the main gear. The two smaller rear wheels are the equivalent of a tail wheel on planes of the same era.
@@fooman2108 Maguire also committed the cardinal sin of getting overconfident and tried to dogfight with his drop tanks still attached.
The best material to 3d print a plane like this is HIPS(High Impact Polystyrene). If you can print with it, it is stronger lighter and has a glass transition temp around 95C. It prints a lot like ABS with less warping.
Gives off some nasty VOCs, though. I remember when it was first pitched as an ABS support martial years ago.
I'm yet to see any aircraft printed in it. Have you tried it yourself?
@@ksweens01 During Covid PLA was scarce and HIPS was cheap and available. It's lighter so you get more per kg than PLA or PETG. A well ventilated area and a printer that can print ABS is all you need.
I've printed a small throwing glider.
It's a much more stable plastic than PLA. It doesn't warp under load like PLA.
@@mikenoel3522 lighter than LW-PLA, too...?
@@ksweens01 print it in an enclosed printer with active air filtration. It prints really well in my Voron 2.4 with a nevermore v6 air filter with activated carbon filter media.
Love it. Reminded me of the older days, "Hello I'm Josh, and this is Josh: Hi". When you guys were testing other aircraft models as well as doing the ready-board planes. That was fun.
Yea, I love the reviews and other products, the foam board is nice but it gets stale
My wife just got an A1 mini, and the AMS for her birthday during the sale. We have had several 3d printers, and we are both impressed with the quality and speed. It is an incredible printer!
The Horton brothers would be proud of you
Horten sie hießen Horten nicht Horton!
From what few pictures we have as well as the cockpit and landing gear assembly, the Ho 229 had a pretty high AOA while sitting on the ground.
The nosewheel in the original version was reportedly a Heinkel He 177 bomber tailwheel. The longer nosewheel used later was a He 177 mainwheel. The main landing gear used Bf 109 units. The weight distribution of the design meant that the front wheel carried nearly half the weight of the aircraft while taxiing.
I like to see more of the backscene stuff. Like when you repaired the plane and when you were joking abuot a ramp! Good job Flte Test I love your content!
I appreciate that you arent stingy about support material.
my all time favorite plane, even have the Revell model of it 😃
Wow, I had no idea that was a late WW2 design. Definitely far ahead of its time!
A tad bit too ahead of it's time since, if I recall correctly, none of the prototypes ever managed to make it off the ground. Today we can easily make a Horten fly with all the tech we've managed to advance, but 1944 Germany was just one decade behind the tech required. Especially if you believe the rumors that it was meant to be a stealth bomber. :p
@@manualcontrol5581 from Wikipedia: On 2 February 1945, the first flight of the H.IX V2 was conducted at Oranienburg.[3] The Horten brothers were unable to witness this flight as they were occupied with producing the design for a new turbojet-powered strategic bomber in response to the Amerikabomber competition. All of the subsequent test flights and development were conducted by Gothaer Waggonfabrik. The test pilot was Leutnant Erwin Ziller. Two further test flights were performed on 2 February 1945 and on 18 February 1945.
@@manualcontrol5581the first prototype was a glider but the second was powered by 2 Jumo 004 jets. First flew in Dec 44 but crashed in Feb 45.
@@Paul-b2s4j It touched a roof, i think no plane would like that.
The YB-35/36 program was started in 1941 so it’s not as advanced as one might think.
Awesome design, would love to see more like it!
I think we need to see Eclipson make a B-2 bomber.
This is my favorite jet of all time. So glad to see it as a printable/flyable version now! I would love to get one of these!!
It was an amazing plane to fly after we got it up in the air. After the episode we all took turns flying it!!!
Such entertaining content. I'm not an rc guy and I'm watching these. Nice job
I believe a little bit extra wing twist would have helped a lot here, would also do away with the need for that tail
When on the ground, the real aircraft's tail was pretty close to the ground. (They actually used a nosewheel assembly from a crashed B24).
The engine thrust is above the wing surface which likely pushes down the nose, so the angle of attack from the landing gear is essential to compensate for the downward push from the engines.
Horten made loads of gliders so I’m not surprised it flew well.
It would be great to see an RC plane of that one in the Indiana Jones movie.
YES!!! That sounds so fun
Remember there was a pnf version of the indy-horten 5-10 years ago, got good reviews, dont know if its still made. Edit: its on aliexpress, Horten Bv-38
Got him ! this is gone be a fun build
Wow, an amazing reproduction. The original Hortens were great gliders but the jet versions had this minor flaw of being destroyed by their own engines. I'm not surprised the model is quick. The HO-229 was 20% faster than the P-51.
Love this plane. thanks for featuring it.
Absolutely, it was so fun to review!!!
if you ever need to give the plane a more positive angle of attack but cant lengthen the nose gear wire, just put a bigger tire on the front. 😁👍
That's exactly what the Horten brothers did with the full sized aircraft!
Wait. Bambu labs knows not everyone can afford an X1 carbon….so they gave you the A1 mini????? What were there 5 of those x1s?!?!
dont forget about the a1 the p1s anr p1p all are more affordable then the x1
I mean... they gave the full A1 too... full size a1 basically makes creality obsolete. Honestly it makes me happy that people can just jump in and print as a hobby instead of making the printer into the hobby like I did...10 or so years ago...lol
@@NeoIsrafilpeople like you brought 3D printing technology reachable for ordinary folks like us…. We are indebted to you for the time and effort you spent on building 3D printers
Kenneth Arnold’s flying saucer sighting near Mt Rainer WA in 1947, his description and artist rendering actually looked like the flying wing Horton. The flying saucer comes from where he said they skipped through the air like a flying saucer. Makes one wonder if what he saw were top secret experimental aircraft based on the Horton
Beautiful ! ✈️👍 Hello from Germany !
I sincerely would LOVE the Indiana Jones aircraft to be made by you guys, even tho it is fake, it really is an eye catching aircraft, especially since I'm a sucker for push props
The real Horten had huge front nose gear so the wing had high angle of attack on ground. Very cool model.
Hey . You could always do the digital paint scheme in light blue or grey or green etc.. or overlap..
Itd help keep your design idea without it becoming a warpton
The original Ho 229 didn't have a vertical stabilizer as you have in your model.
The last thing before the old F-4 phantoms would do before carrier launches was jack the nose gear up.
Weren't those specifically Royal Navy Phantoms? I don't recall USN or USAF phantoms with the long nose gear.
Cool. Thanks.
Why you use zap a gap? Is it good ca glue?
Yes, it is .
My third favorite plane behind the arrow then the vampire.
It looks like it could use reverse thrust on landing to shorten the post landing rollout.
so.. up next in the flying wing series: Northrop YB-35 and YB-49, B-2, the BV-38 from Raiders of The Lost Ark, and some of concepted but never built or flown designs?
louks like speed brakes could be a good addition, especially if made retractable
The original had them. Sort of. The wing tips had drag rudders, plates that lifted up out of the wing. Whether they could be lifted together??
She also had 'normal' ailerons, and flaps running a third of the entire wing span.
There was also a socking great spoiler underneath the craft, just behind the landing gear, and there was a parachute brake.
mint design there. great vid guys. thank you
I would have loved to see you try to fly it without the rudder. I mean, it was designed to be flown that way, and pilots managed to make it work. It would be a fun test of skill. Fun to watch, anyway LOL
Second that. Also seems like one could setup differential thrust to get some crazy moves plus yaw stability that way.
There is no rudder on this plane. Wish granted.
I asked that question on the eclipson channel and apparently its unstable when throttling up. I'm building mine now and dont want to use the fin. But i fear i'll have to. Also i'll have to bungee launch it as i dont trust hand launching it.
You guys should check out some of the titan dynamic models next
seriously !! hornet !! no man Horton two brother whith genius you have to have a little respect for these guys, they and others, it is true, invented the concept of a flying wing so respect
Major Respect!!!
@@FliteTest so guys give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and give back his name please and thank you for all your inspiring content
they did not invent the concept.... don't get me wrong, I love the Ho 229 but there is so much misinformation about it
@@redtsar no I know that's why I said "among others" and indeed the HO 229 is surrounded by myth like that of its stealth with the "famous" charcoal glue which is a pure legend reinvented in the 70s by one of the two Horten brothers to get a boost. The fact remains that at the very beginning of the 1930s the Horten brothers manufactured and flew 100% flying wing gliders with finesse that many modern gliders would envy.
@@sylvainponchelet4188 yeah, and that it inspired the B-2, which it did not
I'm going to build this. Thanks gents.
Wow! 👏
Can you make a TBD-1 Devastator for the next video?
Yes please
Ho229 engineers froim the grave : Vell now you see ze problems ve had and vai ze front gear is slightly higher
this is the first time ive seen you fly like i do. splat.
The British navy has an angle of attack solution that I would love to see y'all try, put a jump ramp at the end of a runway!!!
Reimar is message Walter approves this message ! 09:15 Nice haircut !
I would love to see a kit build (available for sale) Scaled Composites Proteous from you guys. Also a Voyager by Scaled Rutan also.
I would like to see more 3d printed planes all skill levels, different flight characteristics, etc
Definitely, Check out our other Eclipson episodes. We have been reviewing their planes for the past 2 or so years. Definitely worth a watch
@@FliteTest I have watched them all, and would like to see more.
Great job guys 👍🏻
Thank you 😁
With the vert stab it looks like a ww2 themed Alula.
Hay Family!! You guys Rock!! Inspired me! Threw my Recovery!! 🤙🍍
IIRC, The key to stable flying wings with no vstab is downwash.
did you have to add noise weight., I'm thinking hand launching mind?
imagine that life size
The originals were it a horten ho229, it was supposed to be a secret plane nazi Germany was building to win ww2 also made by Wood because it was impenetrable with radar at the time e
My all time favorite aircraft has always been the Horton 229.
I see there is a LW ASA filament available now. Stronger than PLA and better heat resistance. Have you guys tried it?
Lastly, could you share your LW Filament profile settings for X1-Carbon?
Great flight guys. Eclipson has optional keel for that plane. Can you try to hand launch it? I only have grass runways and will probably try to hand launch.
I'm not surprised that it would not slow down when trying to land, it is basically a glider and it just does not bleed speed when it is going in a straight line, perhaps landing flaps are needed?
The original Horton flying had no verticals it would take computer side flight to make it truly flyable by any one other than ace pilots on clear days
Now I know why the Horten Batwing Glider used a drag chute .
Why use a tail fin? I built a small 19" foam one that flew great without one.
I was wondering the same. It leads me to believe there where liberties taken with the design that effected the lateral stability, so the designers are compensating.
Always innovating
Fancy flying 😉.
Finally you guys made the ho 229🎉
You could add even more depth to your story by introducing us to your awesome FPV- drone pilot. Just a few seconds. Let him say hi and give him a short credit.
Call me 'old school', but I'd love to see another attempt at a rigid airship of some sort. Maybe a steampunk version or even something like the 'Prydwen' from the Fallout series. 🧐🙂
1:20 I am not sure about professionals if you can't even print ABS much less other fancy materials
great Job.....thumbs up 👍👍
LW-PLA-HT could be helpful
Very True
Sheet metal is the best.
What if you painted it in mirror chrome?
That was fast. Just got email from Eclipson about the model. I wonder if they made any changes after the beta.
Yes they fixed the landing gear issue. We just had the prototype files to test their plane out.
I was going to mention the stance on the ground. If you look at the real airplane, it's stance is very nose high, almost to take-off angle.
Very cool!!
I'd like to see an SR71 FLY.
Back in the 90s there was a SR71 advertised as the fastest RC plane (for its time) with a speed over ground reported to be close to 300mph. I saw a video of one once... It was a thing of beauty, but they said it was hard to fly as it could get out of range quickly.
Can you guys make a p51 mustang model and fly it?
I want one
If you have access to a printer you can pick up the files at Eclipson's Website
Why was a vertical tail put on it? Was the wing twist and wing sweep not enough?
The yaw damping and frequency provided by the bell-shaped lift distribution decreases with decreased angle of attack and lift coefficient, to the point that at high speeds these aircraft can snake quite badly or even become completely unstable in yaw. Having a extra little strake like that really helps.
What if you guys put reverse thrust for split seconds
you should make a mighty mini bell p-39 airacobra🤔🤔
😏🤔😂
How about the source of the blue prints?
Still waiting for FT Shinden
Are we going to see the real rv 12 again its been a while
This thing is goated
Flying eggshells
"The cheaply printed parts are just as good" - doesn't show the cheap ones up close. 😂
Your brother looks like a soft spoken vin diesel
pretty much every flying wing ive ever flown will do exactly what happened to yours if you go full throttle on take off.. you have to ease into the throttle on take off or itl just stick to the ground..
Is there a model with retractable gear?
No but if you get the files then you can modify them and add your own in. That would be so amazing!!!
This awesome
Why dont these designs include holes for spars? Carbon is available in all sizes.
Try flying it without the stabilizer.
Where jason nice plaine crash dam
hi
Nice!!!
It does look nose heavy but looks can ALWAYS be deceiving.
Filament printed flying models remind me of a saying on hammers, problems, and nails.
is that the german WW2 stealth bomber that never got finished?
It's not a stealth bomber, that's a myth. It was supposed to be a multi-role aircraft.
What's that weird fin for? Horten didn't have that :-D
Stability. I asked the manufacturer if it would fly without it and they said it would, but its unstable. I have a feeling its partly due to the twin engines throttling up unevenly. I scratch built a horten h3 last year and it has one prop and its still a little wobbly. Flies great though! ☺️
@@olliea6052 I fly several flying wings without vertical surfaces, some are twin-engined and fly stable I think; this is the last one, 3D printed:
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