Why Killer7 is Secretly Good (Review/Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- CW: Suicide, Violence
An all-time gaming cult classic is finally returning with a PC Port this year, and to a celebrate, we're going to dive deep into what makes Killer7 such an incredible experience over a decade later.
Buckle up, kids. We're in for a bumpy ride.
/ woodaba2 - Ігри
It’s ok. We’ve all tried to dance in-game to “Rave On”.
It's no secret this game is good. I beat it yesterday and I have to say, this is one of the best games I have every played. Great video on it too. It's kind of hard to explain this game to someone. You kind of just have to play it.
Agreed!!! Who said games have to look real? Who said games need great graphics?
Though there is a good reason why this game will only be niche. It plays so differently from other games that most people won't like it
I know I wouldn't like it if it was the gameplay alone. But this game isn't great for the gameplay alone. The story and style are the reasons why you play this game
And you beat me to it.
Yeah, under appreciated for sure, but I definitely don’t think “secretly good” is a fitting description.
I personally interpreted Heaven Smiles as a representation of how propaganda shows us the enemy. As terrifying,mindless monsters.
Mikołaj Fabisiak whoa that’s great
Youre not wrong
I like that
Woah, that's a great interp
"First Life Industries, by the admission of its CEO, is a corporation that exists only to run advertisements; but according to the book, it's also one of the largest companies in the world?! Who has products in homes all over the USA?"
Google has entered the chat
It's quality is no secret, but thank somebody that its gotten a modern rerelease that's so excellently done that people can play it for many more years. Really a game best digested over the span of several years, at least my experience of it.
I agree. When the game first came out, I was too young to appreciate what it meant. And now, well, this is the perfect time to play it. The president is whining like a baby and saying the election is rigged. He's like a character from Killer 7 himself.
@@convolution223 killer7 talks about election rigging. Your playing yourself if you think this stuff ain't happening in real life. Look at the child trafficking. Hunter bidens pictures with asian girls. Now is not the time to look into news media when you can literally find ways to look this up. Not on google though. They tend to block or delete things. Wether you have an excuse or not. Blocking free speech is unconstitutional. But I'mma sip my tea while Biden keeps doing things that everyone will sadly reap. Look at women's sport. Job losses, texas. This ain't even about republican vs democratic. Americans can't even get a simple stimulus check. 👌
To be fair, Killer is Dead was actually written by four people and not directed by Suda himself. There probably wasn't much of a unified vision for what the game was going to be.
Comment’s old but I played Killer is Dead enough to know what was the vision. Mondo was destined for the moon... to be the man on the moon.Bryon Nd Viv knew that if he kept killing malice would soon consume him. David was the one to make the events happen by sending malice on the Earth from the dark side of the moon. David killing their mother represented David acquiring the Sun... in our case.... Mondo’s sun... (hence why he’s more colder and down TO EARTH)
Edit: The malice effects other ppl different. David drunk off malice considered becoming king. The man on the moon
This was truly enlightening. I've just finished the game for the first time and even though I thoroughly enjoyed its gameplay, mechanics, aesthetics, artistic choice, etc, I was at a complete loss regarding almost everything else. Thanks for helping me unpack all of that.
It's funny how you mention David Lynch in the same video of a game directed by SUDA51, because his influence can be seen in a lot of his games, subtle though it may be.
A lot of people like to point to Hidetaka Suehiro's Deadly Premonition as Lynch-inspired for its obvious allusions to Twin Peaks, but the Grasshopper games that Suda himself has directed display this, in the sense that what you see may either be taken figoratively, literally, or just be a red herring that throws off everything you thought you knew.
I also like how he took the idea of Killer Bob from Twin Peaks, and the brief idea displayed that he may either be an evil spirit or the representation of man's horrible deeds, and applied that very same idea to Kamui Uehara in The Silver Case. Where Kamui might either be this omnipresent being that literally gives people Criminal Power, or is just a product of mass hysteria and a scapegoat for the police to kill a docile, innocent man for the sake of putting the world's mind at ease.
Anyway, good video. I'm always interested to see how many people interprit this near-impenetrable marvel of a game.
Absolutely criminal amount of subs for how much effort you’ve put in. Heart and soul went into this video.
"Did anyone ever fall in love with a work of fiction because of its wikipedia page?"
[Warhammer has entered the arena.]
If the setting is deep enough to drown in... then yes, you very much can.
okay so..... why didn't this masterpiece of genuine political education and ethical education reach the mainstream?
BECAUSE KIDS WERE TOO IMPATIENT TO LEARN!
RAVE ON
This video is the reason I won’t make a Killer 7 video. You covered everything pretty much perfectly. I would save this as the definitive commentary on the game. 👏🏾 👏🏾
I loved killer7 the first time I played it. I played it more and more to piece together the plotpuzzle and infer the details of the world based on the details therein in addition to the events of the story. If the game had a spoonfed story and everything was obvious I would have enjoyed it far less. Its one of those amazing works(like many from Lynch) that have so many subtle details that the more you delve the more you can piece together from little things like how Curtis Blackburn may have actually been the LEAST bad guy in his chapter which was full of bad guys(including the killer7) or how Clemence's story is wonderfully open for continuation as one who inherited part of the Yakumo or how Garcian opened the safe in Smile using muscle memory. It always seems to leave you with at least something unanswered, but the feeling that the answer might be there in the details whether it really is or not. The potential tie-ins with the stories and political climates from "The Silver Case" and "Flower, Sun, and Rain" involving things like the MasPro systems.
The initial feeling I had from playing the game was legendary for me and I get to taste that again just a bit on replay, but the real thing that keeps me coming back is the minutiae which have been expertly given great value. The game(an insufficient word) is made to beg more from the player and convey that real-life experience of powerlessness that will vary depending on how much effort you put in. That feeling is so strong in killer7 that overcoming amounts of that powerlessness feels greater than any "achievements" another game might have, but you never overcome all of it.
When I first played this game at about 9 years old I couldn't get past the first duplicator, I never figured out to shoot the yellow bit with dans charge shot, but years later at around 17 I played it again. Now at 23 I play it every halloween. It's the perfect mix of creepy atmosphere and zany action to be just perfect for a longplay on my favorite holiday
As a kid with a ps2, I got stuff in the exact same spot you did; grabbed it off steam last week and getting through it now. How funny is that though dude, that first little bit was our only introduction to this, yet we knew how cool it was regardless if we never actually got to experience the game. Thankful I could finally get around to it on steam
I think killer 7 is best described as a story driven rail shooter.
You should check out The Silver Case
Flower Sun and Rain was a lot better in my opinion, but it's less political, apart from a plane exploding every day.
This video needs more views. Also, I wonder if since it's on Steam, if it will be able to be modded. I'd like to play it with higher polygon models.
'I didn't understand killer7, but in some way I felt it understood me.'
what a delightfully concise way to describe the magnetism and rent free manner in which this game consumes you. great video.
You rise up a good amount of points about story telling and games a whole that will (hopefully) stick with me. Thank you
Killer7 is like The Shining of videogames it has multiple interpretations. I want a sequel.
Really great analysis! This game is one of the most inspiring and audacious works of art I've ever encountered and I think you hit the nail on the head about how trying to parse out a strict narrative from the plot is a bit beside the point of what it's trying to do. One of the devices that I found really powerful here is certain sequences, like one you reference in the spoiler section of the video, that make you "play" through them but don't actually give you any agency on their outcome. This is sort of a microcosm of your analysis of the game as a whole, and a device that is a bit unique to the video game medium. A film has no illusion of control, whereas a game does. But as Killer 7 shows, any control is often merely illusory.
My god what an underrated video
I love the killer7/suda51 analysis community due to the amount of well written videos that I can drown my attention to
Good job my guy, really enjoyed it
_My the lord smile, and the devil have mercy_
I just beat this game and needed a better understanding of it. Thanks for the video.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from playing Killer7 three times so far, it’s that its best to make your own interpretation of the insane things which happen, similar to all of David Lynch’s films or tv shows. I also highly recommend playing The Silver Case and Flower, Sun, and Rain, both directed by Suda51 and both, including K7, tie into the Kill the Past trilogy. Think of Yoko Taro’s Drakengard/Nier shared universe. Also, look up the timeline supplement from Hand in Killer7. It was actually meant to be much more broad and epic in scope and time.
You have earned a subscriber here! I have watched a few of the Killer 7 videos out there, and yours has brought up some new points for me. Like how the game structure being like many linear Capcom games around the time. Your video was edited wonderfully, you better keep gaining more subscribers, buddy. And your next video being the vastly underrated Silent Hill game? I found my new favorite channel.
Just picked this up on Steam off of the desire to feed my nostalgia. Loved ur take on it
Same dude. I remember playing this as a kid and instantly getting stuck right in the beginning. Had to come back as an adult and actually give it a full play through
I played this game all the way through to Grasshopper 7. One of my all time favorites.
My friend wrote this game off as a game with bad gameplay. He would never give a reason why, he would just say the gameplay was bad. If he doesn't want to play it because it doesn't look interesting to him, thats ok, but writting it off as bad without knowing much at all is really bad.
15:46 spoiler section
Secretly? You mean obviously.
This is THE best video game ever. Period.
The artwork is beautiful. The music is excellent. The dialogue and camera direction was well done
Your enthusiasm is palpable. Great video friend
My favorite killer 7 essay video
this was great, please make more videos about things you are passionate about
I wish the colatral shot attack would become a meme.
Ain't no secret, chief
"A Story is in the experiencing of it"
Finally, someone on this platform with sense!
I completely agree with your assessment. I feel people too often only engage with media on a purely literal level, concerning themselves with picking apart or documenting plot details and lore. But art can be experiential, driven instead by instilling a feeling or exploring a theme. Art is expression, and Killer7’s abstracted approach to narrative is an important part of its expression. It’s a postmodern work that takes various ideas (both mechanical and narrative), mashes them together, and distorts them into something unrecognizable. Trying to understand the minutia of its plot on a purely literal level is only going to confuse and frustrate. It wasn’t created to be read that way. The recent obsession with unpacking and substantiating the specifics of a creative work’s lore is such a limiting perspective - as you said, stories are more than just the literal events that occur. Those events are mere representation, signifiers for more abstract ideas.
There’s a dreamlike, nightmarish quality to its construction. Nothing really adds up. Every question raised is presented with several equally contradictory answers. Things appear to just happen. Sometimes those things are horrific; sometimes they’re funny; often, they’re both. The game has always evoked the feeling of a Lynch or Jodorowsky film, where reality is subsumed by nightmare logic. That’s probably why Killer7 is my favorite game of all time.
That SMT IV ost tho
Harman Smith for Smash!!
Yes and have shulks idea of changing stances but change to a different seven.
I'm surprised Adam Curtis didn't get a mention in this. The political commentary of mediocre politicians and the unreality of grand narratives, sounds pretty much like HyperNormalisation: The Game, but made 11 years earlier than the film. Also stylistically, suda51 and Curtis seem to occupy worlds closer to eachother than the mainstream.
Ain't no secret, cuz...!
I realize I'm not the first to say this. I don't care.
Man, as a 4th year political science student who finished playing the game, your story analysis really hit different on a personal level. Thank you.
I bought this game back 05 in a GameCube discount pack, and it was mind blowing once I figure out how to play it
I have several questions. What was the screaming in garcians apartment? Is angel the hanging ghost guy? Why did garcian kill the killer 7? why were garcians eyes green in the last level? What happened to Samanta in that onepart? Why is the old man in the wheel chair considered the most powerful when he's a vegetable most of the time. Who was the girl under the anime girl mask. Etc etc.
About those screams, It is said that Garcian killed the Smith Syndicate in the past and kept their leader locked in a safe. I belive the screams to be fragments of Garcian's traumatic past after hearing that poor man screaming for help in a locked safe.
Great video. The last time I played Killer7 was during actual GameCube days. Using this to tide me over until they finally put Killer7 on Switch one day D:
Why not content yourself with the PC port of Killer7 instead? Or would you rather play it with JoyCons?
Really good analysis, especially with regards to the political aspects. For such an obviously political game, there's surprising little serious discussion of it.
Welp this video was amazing. Can’t wait to see some more of content from you.
Hand in Killer7 is essentially a rewrite of Killer's story by retconing a lot of material presented in the video game.
Well done video sir. It's a hell of a game to tackle and keep your video from going off the rails.
Master. We're in a struggle. A political struggle. A deep pyscological horror struggle. This game is amusing and confusing at the same time. Draw your gun. In the name of Harman...
good video,
before this, i spent hours actually trying to piece the plot together.
It’s Dissociative Identity Disorder. Schizophrenia is much different at its core (I have it) but DID sufferers and schizo folks both dissociate but for different reasons. The biggest difference is when I dissociate, I don’t switch to another person. I stay me, I’m just zoned out. I roomed with a girl with DID in rehab. I watched her slip into other personalities, it’s real. She hasn’t killed anyone, her personalities satisfy a psychological need. But I could see how murder guilt could manifest personalities. We share a lot of the sensory processing issues and anxiety depression/depersonalization issues, but schizo people dont have other personalities unless there’s a very complex paranoid delusion going on.
Yeah, my understanding of such mental health conditions was extremely Not Good when I made this video in 2018. I'm by no means fully cognizant of all of these things even now, but if I made this video today, I would not choose that word. I really do appreciate the people who correct me on these things so I can get better, so thank you for your comment!
What a ride!
Killer7 and no more heroes are in the same universe
Oh yeah there apprantly is a Suda universe. I wonder how that's going to pan out
I thought it was no secret that Suda51 is one of those developers who can't seem to make a bad game if he wanted to. Kind of like Hidetaka Miyazaki.
Came here after the FUCKING DAN APPEARED IN TRAVIS STRIKE AGAIN
"Secretly"?
What do you mean with secretly!?
Wym secretly it’s literally a good game
Sorry to ask.
What track did you use around 29:11?
havent even finished the game and im not gonna watch ur video yet but i'm pretty offended by the titles implication , that it isnt good on the surface
3:20 Song name?
🤚underrated✋ both this game and channel
Good video, but in the future, comparisons should be kept to things that came out before it, otherwise you retroactively suggest ties for inspiration that didn't exist.
Secretly?
What’s the name of the song from the killer7 soundtrack he played at the start?
that song when you battling Ayame Blackburn
Muhammad Bazli thanks mate I found it: sweet blue flag
"secretly"
I came here specifically to say how offended I am by that thumbnail title 😂
good work
Wtf, it's no fucking secret
Tis no secret. Either you get it or you dont
“””secretly”””
really??
Goddamn I love this game
Secretly ? I thought i was pretty obvious
“Secretly” my ass
What the fuck do you mean "secretly"?
You have 777 subscribers.
not secretly
>Secretly
Nah, it’s obviously oeak
I got this game on steam a few hours ago and I really didn't want to refund it because of how unique the story is but I just really didn't like the gameplay :(
Maybe I'll try it again later if it goes on sale
>secretly
No.
😱😱😱😱😭😍😍😍✌👍💎like, i love you this game
secretly(???) good?
clickbait.
Its supposedly coming to the switch, I think it looks trash, thanks for saving me money.
Why does it looks trash to you?
@@Nov-5062 I'm not a fan of the art direction or the pretentious story. Not a fan also of the on rails gameplay. I don't care what excuses are made up for suda with videos like claiming to see a deeper meaning, it's stupid and pretentious.
@@OrbitalShell Yeah it's definitely not for everybody, but I enjoyed it even without fully understanding the story back in my first playthrough, just because of that eerie, special atmosphere it has.
I love it when games makes you feel weird stuff. I can't really explain it that well.
I found the game to be a terrible hybrid of a railshooters and adventure games.
Secretly? only a normie poser would think it's a secret.
Secretly?