Interesting for sure, but I was surprised at how he missed what for me is the key point that keeps the whole boat afloat (because it does stay afloat, and it has been doing so for generations). The friendship, the sense of comradery, the love, the fun, the sharing, the complaining, the looking out for each other, the petty arguments, the company, the humanity, the "we". "Where do WE come in?" True, "there's no lack of void" but "we" are in this together, "We are not saints, but we have kept our appointment". I think this is the element that has been given the play balance and strengths and ultimately positive and why not, uplifting message.
i don’t understand why the audience doesn’t burst into spontaneous applause after the actor performing Lucky delivers his speech ! it is spellbinding even tho it is “meaningless.” solos by musicians are “meaningless” but a live audience responds. ‘waiting’ is interspersed with outrageous laughter innit bruv?
The paradox of the damn play is that for a play about no meaning, it IS endlessly fascinating! I don’t find it hopeless; the tree is blooming. And the wait is worth it. Everybody’s got a Godot. For most of us it’s the weekend! And the play? I’m studying it for a class AND damn it’s interesting and entertaining and I can’t wait to hear the discussion. Anybody here golf? That’s as meaningless an activity as any can be but for me and thousands it’s a vocation. And thousands more earn their bread by that meaningless activity ...
Waiting for Godot is like the negative print of The Grapes of Wrath from Ford(it released in France at 1947,next year Beckett started to write it ).I can't find any source but i am sure that Beckett saw the film. It has the same concepts in a negative way and aesthetic(no god but still a plea,relations of exploitation,funny old guys,only together we can do it,the less stupid must help the most stupid,the less helpless,the more helpless,etc).Just the heroes in Beckett are way more stupid and helpless ,and there is no positive end. "Was I sleeping, while the others suffered? Am I sleeping now? Tomorrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of today? That with Estragon my friend, at this place, until the fall of night, I waited for Godot? That Pozzo passed, with his carrier, and that he spoke to us? Probably. But in all that what truth will there be? (Estragon, having struggled with his boots in vain, is dozing off again. Vladimir looks at him.) He'll know nothing. He'll tell me about the blows he received and I'll give him a carrot. (Pause.) Astride of a grave and a difficult birth. Down in the hole, lingeringly, the grave digger puts on the forceps. We have time to grow old. The air is full of our cries. (He listens.) But habit is a great deadener. (He looks again at Estragon.) At me too someone is looking, of me too someone is saying, He is sleeping, he knows nothing, let him sleep on. (Pause.) I can't go on!" Lucky monologues about progress but still people shrink as he says, the tractor analogy to the grapes of wrath. i don't think that Vladimir as name is so random choice,he made him a little bit more mature,he is from USSR. Godot is something like a landlord (the boys talk about him)his name is associated with God ,associatively ,in the minds of these 2 who don't have a good memory he is the one they expect to save them, to the one who did their plea as they say at the beginning. But we don't know, really, what the true relationship of these three is.
Beckett also has an ironic point with the tree. It is supposed to have blossomed overnight from act to act. Either it happened that way (i.e. a miracle), or spring has arrived and these two have no sense of time. When he has them say that it is the only thing that has life and that they try to hang themselves from it is pure irony for the tree of life and Christianity.Even id there is god cares only for the tree is the point.
well, how lucky am I to get this speech, because maybe when im saying my story was pretty clownish or dramatic ,because I studied the tarot, and there is one of major tarot named "the hanged man "(Odin)who was hanging under the tree, to waiting the die or the wisdom, just like this drama ,waiting for Godot,pastime when I came here I really don't know why we need to wait, just like this covid-19 starting ,or most of countries were allowed people just stay at home, we don't know ,we ask why, we ask how ,we ask thousand quizs, because human being really don't know wht happened in this world ,wht we will do ,but we never stop thinking and waiting and anxiety or fearness alternately just like this....and finally how I can read this meaning,i think I could use the asian ancients thinking is like "because we need to wait,therefore waiting makes anything be meaningful, eating,sleeping,walking on allllll moments have meaning into our life."so I wish I share my a little appion with allllll,waiting also is anther meaningful in our life.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 and really really appreciate the DR.DAVID share this lovely moment dialogue,to remind us thinking about waiting s power!thank you!
"VLADIMIR: I got a bear fur coat from my old man... ESTRAGON: No shit... VLADIMIR: But it's falling apart a bit. So I sneeze from it. I always sneeze from fur coats. ESTRAGON: You sneeze!? VLADIMIR: You see, it has these little tiny hairs. See? Those are bear hair. ESTRAGON: So... bristly." ua-cam.com/video/3-VjaRPYGjo/v-deo.html
Interesting for sure, but I was surprised at how he missed what for me is the key point that keeps the whole boat afloat (because it does stay afloat, and it has been doing so for generations). The friendship, the sense of comradery, the love, the fun, the sharing, the complaining, the looking out for each other, the petty arguments, the company, the humanity, the "we". "Where do WE come in?"
True, "there's no lack of void" but "we" are in this together, "We are not saints, but we have kept our appointment".
I think this is the element that has been given the play balance and strengths and ultimately positive and why not, uplifting message.
i don’t understand why the audience doesn’t burst into spontaneous applause after the actor performing Lucky delivers his speech ! it is spellbinding even tho it is “meaningless.” solos by musicians are “meaningless” but a live audience responds. ‘waiting’ is interspersed with outrageous laughter innit bruv?
The paradox of the damn play is that for a play about no meaning, it IS endlessly fascinating! I don’t find it hopeless; the tree is blooming. And the wait is worth it. Everybody’s got a Godot. For most of us it’s the weekend! And the play? I’m studying it for a class AND damn it’s interesting and entertaining and I can’t wait to hear the discussion. Anybody here golf? That’s as meaningless an activity as any can be but for me and thousands it’s a vocation. And thousands more earn their bread by that meaningless activity ...
Superb comment really can identify with this
what a fascinating clear lecture, thank you!
Thank you for explaining this so beautifully. I know it's impossible for me to attend your lecture but still I want to dream. :)
Ha my old university lecturer, go on Pattie
Thanks. Dingleberry Banjo. I remember you well.
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Thanks for this. Well done. You opened the play, rather than shut it.
A wonderful lecture. WFG is endless and will never give you more than you need to take.
Appreciable endeavour to make us understand sir. Profound analysis with relevant facts ...
Waiting for godot is clean like water:show the unhope in what all.of us live beliveng in the hope
Thank you, Dr David Pattie, so well explained. I hope that your next undergraduate taster lecture is on 'Krapp's last tape'.
Waiting for Godot is like the negative print of The Grapes of Wrath from Ford(it released in France at 1947,next year Beckett started to write it ).I can't find any source but i am sure that Beckett saw the film. It has the same concepts in a negative way and aesthetic(no god but still a plea,relations of exploitation,funny old guys,only together we can do it,the less stupid must help the most stupid,the less helpless,the more helpless,etc).Just the heroes in Beckett are way more stupid and helpless ,and there is no positive end.
"Was I sleeping, while the others suffered? Am I sleeping now? Tomorrow, when I wake, or
think I do, what shall I say of today? That with Estragon my friend, at this place, until the fall
of night, I waited for Godot? That Pozzo passed, with his carrier, and that he spoke to us?
Probably. But in all that what truth will there be?
(Estragon, having struggled with his boots in vain, is dozing off again. Vladimir looks at him.)
He'll know nothing. He'll tell me about the blows he received and I'll give him a carrot.
(Pause.) Astride of a grave and a difficult birth. Down in the hole, lingeringly, the grave
digger puts on the forceps. We have time to grow old. The air is full of our cries. (He listens.)
But habit is a great deadener. (He looks again at Estragon.) At me too someone is looking, of
me too someone is saying, He is sleeping, he knows nothing, let him sleep on. (Pause.) I can't
go on!"
Lucky monologues about progress but still people shrink as he says, the tractor analogy to the grapes of wrath.
i don't think that Vladimir as name is so random choice,he made him a little bit more mature,he is from USSR.
Godot is something like a landlord (the boys talk about him)his name is associated with God ,associatively ,in the minds of these 2 who don't have a good memory he is the one they expect to save them, to the one who did their plea as they say at the beginning. But we don't know, really, what the true relationship of these three is.
Beckett also has an ironic point with the tree. It is supposed to have blossomed overnight from act to act. Either it happened that way (i.e. a miracle), or spring has arrived and these two have no sense of time. When he has them say that it is the only thing that has life and that they try to hang themselves from it is pure irony for the tree of life and Christianity.Even id there is god cares only for the tree is the point.
Thankyou for this. I absolutely love this play and you have reflected great ideas
Fascinating. Mesmerised by your lecture.
What a beautiful study and analysis about the pitiful state of the whole human kind through these Characters .
Superb. Thanks.
10:30 finally there are some that got it! most reviwers totally missed the deep existential meaning and razor sharp satire which it is
A great lecture.
Insightful !
Excellent 🙏
Words. Words.
well, how lucky am I to get this speech, because maybe when im saying my story was pretty clownish or dramatic ,because I studied the tarot, and there is one of major tarot named "the hanged man "(Odin)who was hanging under the tree, to waiting the die or the wisdom, just like this drama ,waiting for Godot,pastime when I came here I really don't know why we need to wait, just like this covid-19 starting ,or most of countries were allowed people just stay at home, we don't know ,we ask why, we ask how ,we ask thousand quizs, because human being really don't know wht happened in this world ,wht we will do ,but we never stop thinking and waiting and anxiety or fearness alternately just like this....and finally how I can read this meaning,i think I could use the asian ancients thinking is like "because we need to wait,therefore waiting makes anything be meaningful, eating,sleeping,walking on allllll moments have meaning into our life."so I wish I share my a little appion with allllll,waiting also is anther meaningful in our life.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 and really really appreciate the DR.DAVID share this lovely moment dialogue,to remind us thinking about waiting s power!thank you!
This is really interesting...
"VLADIMIR: I got a bear fur coat from my old man...
ESTRAGON: No shit...
VLADIMIR: But it's falling apart a bit. So I sneeze from it. I always sneeze from fur coats.
ESTRAGON: You sneeze!?
VLADIMIR: You see, it has these little tiny hairs. See? Those are bear hair.
ESTRAGON: So... bristly."
ua-cam.com/video/3-VjaRPYGjo/v-deo.html
GodOT, or God of the Old Testament, has grown, so they must.
Ying tong tiddly poo. This has no meaning. Decades worth of academics have concluded as much. Please send me a Nobel Prize.