@@lucidare my brother, not sure if it's sarcasm, but he doesn't even know fighting games. that's the worst thing. I play fighting games for years and the stuff he says about fighting games on gacha podcasts is clueless blabbering of a novice player with 0 actual knowledge about the games
18:35 what do you mean you didnt knew? you're literally with iyo on tectones gatcha cast 13days ago. where all he talks about is that hes a fighting gamer. every sentence that dude talks about is that he is a fighting gamer.
@@HazardTone yep, I don't even play it but I know it has the fastest paced and some of the most challenging combat. Genshin kinda has big HP pools but easy bosses Wuwa has some difficult bosses that can one shot you PGR: Let's do both
TLDR of Iyo's vid: He tried to sound cool by using fighting game terms and community called him out on it. He made a 40 minute video because his ego got hurt and instead of reflecting on himself, he blames the community for calling him out.
I mean in the Gatcha cast he literally said something among the lines of " in tekken to goal is to not let the enemy play the game you launch them and juggle them to infinity until they are dead" which could technically be true if you know nothing about the fighting games it self, but the goal in tekken for example is obviously to win but to achieve that you will not spend hours labbing combos like a dumass so that you can just press them blindlessly to prevent the enemy from attacking, you will learn 2 or 3 good ones and the rest of the game is basically footsies/spacing where you will dance with your enemy trying to bait them in to making a mistake so you can punish them with your crazy juggle that prevent to enemy from playing the game. So the core of the game is basically you judging and testing your enemy and pretty much interacting a lot with them and not what he said, you prevent the enemy from playing the game lol Basically bro knows nothing at all and pretend he does by throwing out lingo at people that don't play fighting games to make it sound like he knows his shit xD
He hid in his bubble so people wouldn't criticize him after throwing personal attacks on Twitter when they proved him wrong, and then he played the victim-typical narcissistic behavior.
Lyo should just rename the video to “ I hate wuwa “ . Such a weird thing to say “ wuwa doesnt respect my time “ IDK what you’re expecting from a gacha game.
@@chinkyflahzim so done with this dude. The same guy who said wuwas overworld is empty because it took inspiration from death stranding lmao. Then might as well say genshin is deathstanding clone. If anything, it was inspired by ds aesthetic and nothing to do with the traversal. Hloy king of L takes
I played 3 gacha games. Pgr Wuwa Ba. Took me less than 2 hours per day to do all 3 dailies. When new content came out i just spend my weekends clearing them. It's not hard to make time for yourself, but i guess it is easy to make excuses😂
Skill issue for real, having a hard time against the exile girl who gives shields, is the HEAVIEST skill issue take a human can have, he says it's too easy but from what I'm seeing I feel like he still hasn't cleared diff 4 Memphis without being overgeared lol 😂 funny guy
1:19:39 this is just embarrassing for Iyo. Even if Pokke's intention is to not discredit him, but to accept the challenge and show an obvious truth, Iyo just took a massive L here.
@@ParadoX-osand that's the point about all gacha games being a button masher once you achieve the right amount of stats and levels, or once you are overgeared, he's just an egotistical.mf
@@ParadoX-osWuwa has been out longer so more time to build your characters better, and you most definitely could not button mash blindfold the higher difficulty illusive realm/holograms 😭. ZZZ is an easy game because the enemies are punching bags with ridiculous HP, I enjoy ZZZ for what it is, but it’s the easiest HoYo game I’ve played from day one.
It's not that deep... Bro tried to blow up his channel with WUWA, nobody cared about his useless fighting game tech, and he flopped, now he's salty with the community. He's trying to blow up again in ZZZ, but again fighting game tech is useless. Everybody know this is true.
I lost it when he said u need fighting game tech to clear Shiyu defense, u cant just mash, then mr. Pokke does it BLINDFOLDED WHILE MASHING I CAN'T 😂😂😂
@@chinkyflahz Yeah, it's devoid of context needed to understand gatcha games. I think that while WuWa has content available, like during new releases of main story quests, it DOES respect your time. The issue with ALL gatcha games is that they are DESIGNED to have diminishing returns of time to progression, and if you exhaust the content, you're supposed to take it easy and use your Energy. It's the equivalent of playing through all of Elden Ring, exploring the map fully, then saying that it doesn't respect your time because you ran out of progression after hitting level 999 and finding all the items lmao. If you're at that point, chill out and wait for the DLC to drop! Or understand that you've exhausted the current content. Also he uses being a content creator as a shield, saying he needs special privileges to pump out a steady stream of content.... No game OWES you that lmao. That whole access to test servers demand was WILD. Sure it's good for CC's if they have that, but to expect that as your due? Get out of here.
I think that he's not saying "as a fighting game player" just to take pride and make himself look cool "I'm a fighting game player I'm more hardcore than you casual gacha game player" no I think he says that to tell people I have the background to know what I'm talking about so you can take my words on this but that's what I think.
His entire video comes across as him being upset he never got praised in the Wuwa community for making combat-based content. He is very jealous that Rexlent is getting the praise he believes he deserves, and now he wants that same praise from the ZZZ community, which dont want him looool
I mean...all honesty...that video was so hypocritical of him. He complains about people being negative to a game he likes, but then acts negative towards another game...like dude, arent you acting like the people you complain about?
His takes sounds like he's rage baiting Genshin and Wuwa community while dragging the Fighting Game community along with it lol. These communities are starting to get annoyed with him which is kinda dangerous unless he can handle the heat of drama territory lol.
He’s a drama streamer at this point. It’s his only way to stay relevant. Bad content, bad guides, bad takes. Drama is his only avenue. If it wasn’t for tectone he would be competely irrelevant
IYO says: u have to use this in ur BNB combo the only way i know BNB cuz of fighting games it means "bread and butter" fighting games actually invent Bread and butter , if u dont play fighting games u dont have bread or butter
It's fascinating how Iyo had to make a 40 minute WuWa hate video where he lies and perfectly shows his hypocrisy just because he got OneGuy'ed on multiple occasions.
@@Accountthatexistsoneguyed mean litteraly on guys told you a info and you take it as a fact even though you didnt verify it and only one random viewer told you said info 😂😂
@treasure9342 oneguyed means one guy in chat says something and you get hung up on it and pay enough attention to it that you get tricked into thinking it's an issue For instance, streamer is talking for a while, one guy in chat mentions an audio issue, the streamer then spends like 5 minutes double and triple checking audio and asking chat, and it turns out no one else said anything was wrong
This Iyo is the kind a guy that doesn't know what he want.😂😂😂 1st, he complained about Wuwa doesn't respect his time. Then he complained about Wuwa doesn't have stuff to do 2nd, he say he want high difficulty in wuwa, but he haven't clear Hologram level 6, not even level 5. 3rd, he say he doesn't hate Wuwa but then shitting on Wuwa for 30mins+ Self proclaimed fighting gamer expert, but praise ZZZ combat mechanic which is extremely limited in character's skill and ultimate.
IYO thought he cooked with this video, all he did was get cooked by a good part of the comment sections for his L takes. the hypocrisy is unreal all his shit takes for WuWa can also be attributed to ZZZ but he clearly doesn't see it that way coz he be wanting the clout for being a ZZZ CC
iyo thinks he cooks with that vids "wuthering waves have no relatable dedicated creator" (creators who only posts wuthering waves content) -bud every gacha creators are posting guides from different gacha u cant stick to a single gacha as creator since theres a lot of gacha games to cover(also iyo is not even relatable dedicated creator cuz he is posting star rail,zzz) called out rexlent for not being relatable cuz he posted s6r5 jinhsi and says he doesnt create guides (also he said he watches rexlent) -dude u clearly didnt watch rexlent. he create guides and he PINNED A VIDEO ON HIS CHANNEL THAT TEACHES U HOW TO PLAY ALL CHARACTER IN 1.0 he says u cant juggle bosses and u get punished for styling in wuthering waves and not zzz -man... u can juggle bosses when they dont have shield and keep them in same spot if u did combo them non stop(it was later proven in pokke stream) this is why u rehearse when making vids not just say what comes out to ur brain unfiltered and spit half bake takes
he called wuthering waves whole community toxic because theres like 3-4 ppl just saying zzz combat is worse than wuwa lmao. also in iyos vid 95% of comments are just there being critical and commenting his mistakes and not even toxic. but i think theyre "toxic" cuz he disaggreed with iyo.
He clearly didn't watch rexlent then. The guy literally doing hologram for his viewers with their account. Bro, i can't even do crownless 6 with my own account, lol.
Why even say anything bad about Rex he's literally a whale he doesn't hide it also makes guides on how to play a character not resource farming He's been doing that from Pgr when it came out to global he continued to wuwa He hadn't streamed Zzz once I'd like to know his take on it above anyone else's but he's not even uploaded it one bit Outside of that Iyo keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into a delusion it's not healthy
u can juggle boss actually against crownless hologram first phase when u send him flying u can switch to chixia and pew pew the boss to keep him in the air which is funny i think wallenstein did that in one of his video abt chixia
are you guys usually pretty chill? It's my first experience seeing a fighting game youtuber discuss OTHER games' mechanics and he seems to have a "holier than thou because I play fighting games" attitude
from my experiences i would say the FGC is normally one of the better community when compared to other gaming communities soooo don't use this dude as an example of what the rest of the community is like because yeah he has a crazy ego it seems and doesn't think too much LOL
@@Ardeleus Yes we are. FGC is a very niche community and most of the time we never complain. Cuz about 90% of the time its a Me problem if you're bad at the game. Unless the character is really really broken. Tho depends on the Fighting Game. if SF/Tekken/Smash/ASW games.
i'm not fighting game enjoyer but the impression i have about them is the better they play the humble they are, rather, it's a given in that kind of game "to be humble or to be humbled"
Notice how all of these content creators aren’t playing these games. Every single one of them is just talking about drama and other people’s opinions instead of playing
@@2BAMaster9 tectone has that much following and mf just does with drama. I know he's not a bad person but watching drama( good or not) messup your brain. Afterall these years . Just play at your own pace andwatch guides. That's it. No need to get involved in drama. Also let's be real there's no streaming content for them if they only play games unlike us players.
Holy nuclear. Iyo quit wuwa because it takes "too much time", while playing ZZZ for over 30+ hours just to get to the "fighting game" gameplay. While also spending HOURS yapping and complaining about everything. Never actually spending his time making actual detailed guides. The narcissism is wild. He needs to touch grass genuinely. Genuinely. (I'm only in 16 mins, theres another hour of this lmao)
The fact that bro also has to balls to say that he "helped discover swap tech" is wild considering I didn't need to be told that it existed as I figured it out in 5 hours of game time by myself
@@joshl7374kuro don’t have money lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll when your game is good u don’t need to pay people to play the game it’s simple (unlike genshin )
I don’t get why he thinks the echo system is worse then HY’s system. WuWa’s system has 2 layers of RNG a main stat and a substat. Rolls exist in WuWa but the difference between a low roll and a high roll is not really that big enough to care. While in HSR/Genshin/ZZZ you have to get something with the right main, the right subs and then you have to pray it rolls good. That’s 2(.5) layers of RNG vs 3. Furthermore WuWa gives you an option to progress even if you run out of stamina. You can spend 7 hours if you want for echo pieces or if you just wanna spend stamina on tacet fields then that’s fine. At least you have options, while for HY’s system the artifacts are locked behind stamina so even if you want to progress it’s impossible and time/money gated. So both don’t respect your time, one just gives you an option to invest more time if you want. The only real issue with WuWa that has less to do with it’s system is the scarcity of echo exp & tuners (even though I personally don’t find it an huge issue) but yeah. On an objective level, WuWa’s system has less RNG factors that you have to deal with and you are more likely to get something you want.
"this is not relatable" okay, why does it need to be? Its entertainment. Does a piece of media HAS to be relatable for someone to be able to enjoy it? WE KNOW we wont have a c6r5 character, but we enjoy watching it regardless
Well it matters in regards to the context. If someone wants to say the game is easy because they have an E6 5 star character, that is not a valid point because that is not relatable to vast majority of players. If you want to talk about If it's entertaining to watch people use those characters, sure. But it depends on what the context is. I can't tell you yanqing is a tier 0 character because I have him at E6 with max imposed 5 star LC and perfect relic rolls. Not relatable in the slightest. Hope that makes sense
@@GodofGoblins I get where you're coming from, yes context is important, I should've highlighted that, as in this, it's referring to Iyo's take on rexlent's jinhsi video, we know that was just to showcase what a max refined Nuker character can do, it was just for entertainment, which he called 'not relatable', I was just pointing that one out, besides, rex is an excellent guide maker, his PGR character guides have helped countless players including me when I got into the game, same with WuWa too.
"U see I KNOW IT ALL cause im a FIGHTING GAME PLAYER, and if u disagree ur wrong and toxic"-Iyo 2024 Edit: No hate for Iyo, he's pretty funny, but be just made himself look.....not smart
Bro he just gets more annoying the more you hear him. I started many of his videos cuz he is a good cc, but the more he talks about " i know this because i play fighting games" the more annoyed i get.
this is the same person who say there is no powercreep in HSR because 4 stars can still clear MoC. its like saying "bicycle isnt powercrept by motorcycle because bicycle can still get you to the same place" while not mentioning it takes much longer to get there and how much more effort/energy spent. edit: looks like few people can't differentiate between "it takes much longer to get there" and "you can't get there in time", which are 2 entirely different things.
Iyo has some bad takes but jeez stop putting the FGC into his crap, we enjoying evo2024 now we don't need this kind of negativity thanks to Iyo's takes
Here's the Iyo saga guys. He hyped up Wuwa in his mind to be like a fighting game and he slowly realized it isn't a fighting game so now he doesn't like it.
I'm tryna believe Iyo but it's just so hard... all of his arguments are just weird or flat wrong. -"WuWa doesn't respect your time." How? It's not 7 hours for a crit piece. 2 minute respawn, 30 secs to defeat, 30 secs travel time. 3-4 attempts. Do the math. -"Let's just use fighting game terms." If the community liked the terms, we would use them. Welcome to the Gacha community, enjoy your stay. -"All the negativity in my ZZZ videos is just jealous WuWa players." Yeah bro the WuWa audience you cultivated over the last couple months want more WuWa content. It's not rocket science... gotta use reading comprehension to scroll past the troll comments. His video is such a waste of time. Stoking the flames of the gacha wars, adding to the toxicity.
2 minutes respawn is actually the thing that i appreciate the most, since i want to check on what i get and what i can get from the tuning, it's actually really nice.
I've been within the FGC for 10+ years and Iyo is hard to watch. He's too pretentious with an ego. He always has the "I put the tech on the map, but y'all hating so I have to gatekeep". "Gatekeeping tech" in a non competitive gacha game is cringe. He uses fighting game terms loosely and tries too hard to coin it within these gacha games. Like bro, we can keep it simple and just call it "animation cancel". I promise you the FGC is chill and not this annoying. Everything MrPokke said about this is on point, they're friends tho, so no hate! We remain NEUTRAL! 😤30:51 is crazy tho lmao
Ngl, I feel like Iyo just had some gripes with the devs and/or the community and it altered his view on the game, because a lot of the things he's saying aren't true even subjectively
27 mins in, and Iyo is still talking about him being the ONLY MF WHO SHOULD BE PRAISED, because he "knows tech" that "nobody else knows or uses" and doesnt tell anyone because of how narcissistic he feels. Meanwhile the TC community has hundreds upon hundreds of hours minmaxing rotations and discovering tech that he probably cant even execute. Blud hasnt made any fighting game content for over 9 years, yet he talks as if he knows a lot. He keeps acting as if he is deserving of praise, being the greatest player ever, yet his mechanics are mid. Blud keeps farming Ls. Also, 33:04 blud just admitted skill issue? He cant do simple tech?
The slap on the face was so hard from mrpokke's S-rating Shiyu Defense blindfolded (F2P btw), that he has to hide his video from embarrassment of saying those false takes.
@@PikachuPoliceso apparently I found out that negative edging means the downward graph 📉 in statistics, maybe in slang it means your stocks (respect/value/worth) are falling and losing credibility.
I think I know why. Rex is pretty much loved by the WuWa/PGR fanbase so calling him out would get their attention, which would result in him being "attacked" so he can act like a victim.
Based Pokke 's neutral take, having him lighten up the mood legit calmed me down and prevented me from doing unwise things hahahaha! You see, while Iyo has SOME good takes, as a CC you should never fall into the trap of sounding arrogant and superior to people, talking down to them. That's what caused Enviosity's downfall, and Iyo is seriously channeling some "I'M THE ONLY MFER THAT SHOULD GET PRAISE" energy. Especially the arguments that sound like, "I'M THE MASTER FIGHTING GAMER THAT PUT NEGATIVE EDGING ON THE MAP FOR YOU CLUESS PLEBS", “YOU GUYS DON’T HAVE ANYONE LIKE ME, I LOOK OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NONE, WAIT MAYBE ONE ONLY OF YOUR COMMUNITY IS LIKE THAT, THAT REXLENT GUY AIN’T IT.” and “MY AWESOME FIGHTING GAME SELF HAS GIVEN ME KNOWLEDGE OF TECHS OF UNTOLD POWER, THAT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS’S TOXIC IDIOCY FORCES ME NOT TO SHARE THEM, BUHAAHAHAH!” Comments like that will drown out your good criticisms since it causes people listening to you to see red instantly and become defensive. It also plays into what I call the CC spiral. As a CC, you communicate to a large audience of people who might not know the full context of everything you’re talking about. In Iyo’s case, the reason why he’s on this impassioned anger fueled rant is indignation at having been on the receiving end of some toxicity. However when he’s making that rant he’s hitting with a wide aoe. Take someone like me, I only know Iyo from Tectone’s gatcha cast, so I’m not a part of the people he’s saying spreading toxicity. However, with him shitting on a game I like in such a wide manner, in the heat of things I might take it the wrong way and miss the nuances of his message, then feeling like I’ve been maligned unfairly I might make a post in anger shitting on Iyo in return. Especially if I feel like some of his criticisms are misinformed or aren’t supported by the facts. To that end, unless you’re like Tectone and farming hate for content all while tanking the blows and laughing about it, it’s better to be more careful as a CC and avoid accidentally clipping more than your intended targets with AoE attacks haha. After all it’s easier for one person to reign themselves in, than it is to expect all of thousands or more to take your passionate rage fueled rants with the proper nuance and respond level headedly. Luckily for me I had Mr.Pokke to set me straight and cool me off with his enlightened neutrality and funny jokes!
Sure calmed you down Joking but holy yap, I agree though Also the thing about rexlent is his love and passion for what he does and giving back to the community with his time and efforts, he's just one of the bros People who go into gacha with a business mindset in hopes to preach to the choir always have jarring personality shifts when a smidgen of fame is headed their way While I agree with Iyo when he isn't doing a 1v100 he should tone down and just stick to guides because he's sounding like an elitist
Rephrase this whole message to be not about anyone in specific and then pin it to every single video from a gacha CC ever. At least those who engage with the drama part of it. More people need to understand this stuff, it might even help them reign themselves in.
what caused envi's downfall is him shit talking tectone's past personal relationships tbh, if it was just "i'm the only mfer" it would have blown over immediately (as it probably will with iyo)
After this video, Iyo should rename himself Ego. The dumbest take in this video is when he says "I want WuWa to be my difficult game" and then complains that he cannot juggle enemies forever. Not much difficulty in a game when an enemy is just sitting in the air unable to attack you. That and the fighting game references holy, bro's got fighting game brain rot, this game ain't not fighting game.
He was dunk so much on he made the vidéo member only. I think that summurise pretty well the situation, he need an ego + reality check ASAP cause now he realy became the next Enviosity for HSR and ZZZ.
Tbh I kinda started moving away from Iyo because his constant "I'm FGC btw" became so much more annoying than the "f2p btw" shit. Anyone in the FGC knows that nothing carries over to this game and he's just trying to force a point that doesn't exist. While in the FCG I've never heard of him, so this can only be an attempt to market himself as unique, which is commendable... But for anyone who knows, they know.
Yeah I've stopped watching Iyo and Gacha Smack. Both have huge egos and attack their audience so often lol, it's so weird. It's usually addressed at the haters but like, fans are gonna watch too, and they address their haters as the viewer. Felt so weird getting heat thrown at me when I hadn't done shit lmao.
@@kushj9568 I see what you're saying, but Smack is still an enjoyable guy to listen to. He also didn't throw around "FGC" like a punctuation mark, and the only time he got a little bit too much about "knowing about fighting games" (which is a fair statement!) was in the ZZZ x SF thing.
Iyo is solely responsible for getting me into watching content creators on gacha games. Genuinely his way of thinking when it comes to units/build crafting is what got me there. That being said I get the fatigue. Man is a certified yapper with a bit of an ego. Used to click on every video he'd push out. Skipped videos he's put out post this one (which is now private.) I honestly don't understand why there's drama. I've been a gamer since I could hold a controller and I've never experienced this until I got into Gacha.
I never heard him in FGC community ever in my entire life!!! Not even DBFZ, Guilty Gear, MK, GBVS , none!!!! And if you thinks games are grindy!? MF never play Fighting games before! Without spending time and grinding you will just get trashed in PVP! YOU WILL GET DETROY IN PVP! Bet he only play with AI and spam that one move like Hulk ground smash, vegeta beam with kamehameha assist with super dash. The audacity to say Wuwa simple? MF I can't even brain dead mash attack with Jinhsi (Meta Character) for the nuke on Memphis or I'm dead! EVEN IN THE FGC COMMUNITY RULE IN FIGHTING YOU DON'T JUST SMASH OR YOU DEAD! ZZZ is mash brain dead!
I play fighting games (specifically Tekken 8, was a professional player in my country back in Tekken 7) and comparing fighting game to a gacha game is ridiculously funny. Dude's crazy. I play ZZZ and Wuwa because I want to, not because I am a fighting game player. Imagine playing ZZZ or Wuwa because you want to improve your fighting game skills, it's like you want to learn basketball but you keep on training on a table tennis. Funny and ridiculous content.
@@chinkyflahz ngl, but as a fighting game player, I'm pretty sure 90% of the FGC doesn't use those terms regularly. There's some fighting game notations we use normally in conversations but that's literally because we have to call it something instead of making a huge description every time.
@@liteyearsx the only people you're gonna hear saying those terms are the ones who has no skills in fighting games, or nerds. They rely on complicated terms just for them to look smart or talented.
@@chinkyflahz As far as I know, Negative Edge (not edging) comes from a mechanic used by a guilty gear character, Zato. However, it's a mechanic that is quite specific, and as not every fighting character has that, you don't hear that term often, except if a game has that kind of mechanic. Swapback Swapback is weird. I heard Swapback being used in team fighters (Dragon Ball Figheterz, Marvel VS Capcom) in which you force one of your opponent's character to come back on the field. Anyway, using any FGC term on Gacha games is cringe af and is just about showing the world he knows shit. He can say cancel instead of kara cancel, he can say swap instead of swapback, he can say hold the button instead of saying negative edge.
Being a fighting game player doesn't make you a good player or knowing it all, Just look at Lowtiergod. That aside why Gacha creator think so highly of themselves, I saw alot of good gacha creator whose teach and giving tips to the player or at least entertain them and here we have a gacha creator who does literally nothing but talking shit to other game because he doesn't like it enough. You can't just blame anything on the community when you are the one who drown yourself in a oil and light up the fire, If you try to start a fight then be prepare to take it. So tired of this shit.
The Intro man, the intro is Holy Nuclear! I was repeating it around 10x already and I'm still laughing so hard 🤣😂 Damn. Iyo: "The Wuthering Waves Community, the Neo Genshin community, DOES NOT HAVE A 'ME' " (with a strong pointing to that capcom creators jacket) damn. It's resounding like that Enviosity Slime vibes: "i should be the only Mdfkr getting praised" Damn!! 🔥
1:19:20 I now have High Respect to Mrpokke. Shutting down the yapping guy with Proof of S Rating in Shiyu Defense Blindfolded. Proof with solid evidence like mrpokke does and not just yap of words with no evidence like iyo does.
Bro wants zzz to be a fighting game so bad it's sad... he tries to force stuff like juggling so much BRO i don't need to juggle no shit to clear content don't act like it's a game changer my god it's so embarassing
@@chinkyflahz I remember in the previous creator talk where blud was trying to sell nekomata havy attack dash to get to new enemies and the 33% chance to get an additional dash as hidden tech when all that "hidden" tech is literally written in the skill description. Blud thinks reading is hidden tech. 💀
You can't be stylish in combat? Bro the quick swap mechanic is one of the coolest ways I've seen people use for combat in wuwa It makes u feel like all characters are on field at the same time, it teaches you about good timing... AND it REWARDS you by having faster rotations, faster ER for all characters since they're all participating in the fight at the same time, and you can save time by doing another action with another character meanwhile the first one finishes their animation Idk why he thinks juggling is the only way to have a fun and rewarding cobat, it just makes the enemies a punshing bag But that's just my opinion
1:08:33 "take skull girls" Ok i guess we're gonna take the ONE fighting game that has no strict combo limit While forgetting every other game like Strive with gravity scaling Gbvsr with a hard combo limit Dnf duel (although large asf) has combo limit as well Like huh?
Imagine being one of the worst CC giving bad advice (Action Advance Silver wolf and such) and being one of the worst player around, but thinking he is so skilled. At this point Iyo is a joke. People i know all basically agree that the opposite of what is say is the right thing
Iyo sounds so obnoxious and full of himself with so many bad takes it's so painful to watch. Thank goodness our resident F2P streamer is here to keep us entertained.
Imagine trying to get technical help from someone who pointlessly complicates already gate-kept jargon like Iyo does: "Hey, how do I open this file?" "Sinistra input" *five minutes later* "Why the fuk didn't you just say left click?" "What, you don't know the Latin word for left?" That's about how stupid inserting a Japanese word to form "Kara Cancel" sounds.
@@BBLLEEPP ya fighting game terms are only useful in the fgc outside of it it's basically useless so I don't know why iyo keeps trying to promote the terms in the gacha community
no hate to Iyo but this was objectively a bad take. Every single gacha game is the same once you get to end game. All around this is just a massive recency bias video edit: Neutrally speaking I'm convinced he's either rage baiting or he just decided to do a nuclear bad take speedrun.... Absolute insane cinema
I dont think its a bad take at all. the idea he is trying to get across is unfortunately missing because he doesnt know how to articulate it well. he is basically saying that wuwa combat is not good because the game doesnt force you to engage with the system. it has all these cool ideas and its super fun but the game never ever throws anything at you that poses a threat or forces you to engage in this lovely system. ToA is 3 boring floors with no parry at all because you cant parry non boss mobs, then 3rd floor is just elites which are sponges that barely feel like you actual do anything to them (they have little to no visual feedback) and the final floor is a boss and bosses only have the parry mechanic in them and the rest of the combat system reverts to normal gacha game standard because of it. this is the core issue I have with WuWa, it has this lovely combat system that you cant ever engage with because the normal mobs are far too weak and appear in super tiny groups and then the bosses are just parry simulation. ZZZ fixes this problem by allowing you to parry every single enemy so the combat feels more engaging overall. it might not be as in depth (i think it is more in depth but that is just personal opinion on what depth is) but it allows you to always engage with every part of the combat system. tl:dr he is saying that wuwa combat doesnt force the players to engage with the full extent of the combat system they designed.
@@kregman6928 bruh he make dif takes on last part, he say the games doesnt let me juggle enemy in wuwa because they have revenge mechanic which is true and say zzz he can perma juggle enemy and do stylish stuff but on last take he change it to you cant button mash in zzz which is poke already prove on shiyu 7 where he is blindfolded spam button. His take is already down the drain when all of this stylish doesnt work on enemy that cant be juggled which is almost every big enemy in shiyu defense. Its back to farming relic and getting the best dmg rotation for end content for every game.
@@kregman6928 I can see where you are coming from, indeed at certain points of the game we reach a point where we do not fully engage with the combat system. However, do note this situation would occur one day with ZZZ as well as did with wuwa/genshin/hsr etc. . Look at the anton cinema 1 tech that allows players to bruteforce through their own character energy mechanics by negating it. Please also also look at how players are now actively skipping the assist mechanic due to it taking up your damage window. At the end of the day ZZZ would actually end up like wuwa, being a parry simulation till the boss's toughness is down and then hitting it with your dps similar to wuwa. In fact we are not experiencing this problem now simply because we are still near the launch of the game where we have worse built units and worse knowledge on character tech and are thus forced to engage with character and boss mechanics more. So of course we are forced to engage with the mechanics more, because our units are built less and our own knowledge of the game is less extensive. As for the depth of the game, I would say my personal opinion is that since parry and dodge windows are objectively tighter in wuwa, we are forced to adapt our rotation more to enemy mechanics as we need to land our attack at the right time to parry. ZZZ on the other hand as long as the orange indicator flashes, pressing spacebar would parry it already regardless of mechanics (character does take damage though if they are in the middle of attack when swapping, I like that, makes it more in depth imo). In this regard I would say it is more in depth than ZZZ. I think like @yuunarukami8622 has stated, iyo has consistently proven his own points wrong and has been hypcritical. For example he states that wuwa is not respecting his time through echo farming and ZZZ is, and yet wuwa's echo farming is not limited by energy just by time spent farming whereas ZZZ requires energy to farm the disks. There are quite a few others but then again you can look at his list, I would recommend mrpokke account audit hsr for iyo to highlight his "issues". Then again I also appreciate a different perspective on iyo's point. ^^
I lost it when he said u need fighting game tech to clear Shiyu defense, u cant just mash, then mr. Pokke does it BLINDFOLDED WHILE MASHING I CAN'T 😂😂😂
I think what Iyo doesn't understand is that the small amount of depth in ZZZ isn't rewarding like fighting games. In Tekken, I'm rewarded for knowing frame data, doing electrics/just frames, doing korean backdash etc.. In ZZZ there is no incentive to learn anything outside of mashing basic attack and parrying/dodging when you see the screen prompt. You'll clear the content either way and the reward for doing anything more is miniscule. I like ZZZ, but let's not compare it to fighting games.
Iyo randomly mentioning fighting terms was annoying tbh. I play fighting games so I can understand the terms but I'd imagine a lot of the people would just be even more confused. Also the reaction to Negative Edge is just priceless
@@terrormansakata9626 he sound so mad ZZZ kinda flopped hard in the west (not saying the game is bad or something, just that the game is big in asia, but western players really dont care much about it) he probably though ZZZ would be his ticket to notoriety
@@ganyumaindayone1112 Which "Western" players are you talking about? The fact that the brainless subscribers of Teccy and his suckers do not talk about the game does not confirm that no one is interested in the game. The views say the opposite.
@@broccoli5176 it doesnt even make 10 % of its revenue in the west compared to genshin and wuwa reaching over 20% in both and HSR 15/20 % twitch and youtube stats are down the drain aswell despite a lot and i mean A LOT of sponsored streams from big names outside of the gacha world this game is a failure compared to both genshin and HSR in the west
24:12 That is just wrong. He is not taking terminoligy from a single game and trying to push it onto other games. He is taking terminoligy that has existed for a few decades now for an entire genre of games (fighting games) and applying it to new games that are openly mimicking fighting games
I don't understand his takes, from what I got: 1. Wuthering waves doesnt respect my time because I have to play a lot in the overworld, but also the overworld sucks and theres nothing to do but log on daily and log off? 2. Wuthering waves is too easy, but also I can't juggle a mob infinitely so it can't attack back. 3. Wuthering waves has so much tech, but end game bosses don't require you to use it, but neither does ZZZ. 4. You can't mash in zzz, go try shiyu defense 10, but also I haven't tried holo diff 5. 5. Your echos can roll bad, but so can your disks in ZZZ, the only difference is disk farming cost stamina!
@@chinkyflahz yeah lmao I mashed in Shiyu 10 and still got A rank, the boss didn't even have any good patterns or mechanic, I just simply lacked gears and levels
@@chinkyflahz might be a good idea to post it somewhere if thats the case just to have a source for future reference cause I think this point would get brought up again also show the weapon, disk, stats, and constellation since thats also a factor in the argument
Character techs can definitely take you far in WuWa ToA. They're not just for show. For those characters that allow them of course. I'm not even talking about the character rotations that eventually just becomes a standard practice for someone who takes ToA properly. And the wuwa's newest character, Changli takes this to the next level because of how her kit are both multifaceted/dynamic, and allows animation slipping (different from animation cancelling). Also she can juggle and do air combat, which again rebuttles Iyo's other takes. If anyone would ask for a reference videos for the things I'm talking about, I would gladly give. There are A TON here in UA-cam.
Funniest part is that it’s a FG player saying it, which means he’s spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in training mode just to learn combos for the characters he likes 😂 mf has spent more time hitting stationary practice enemies than he has actually playing any of these gacha games
Wuwa takes so much less time than Pgr for me however after you clear Wuwas story there's nothing to do beyond random chests and using stamina I have no idea how wuwa takes more time, I would know I played 777 hours of genshin and I'm playing wuwa less because there's LESS
I might be wrong about this and iyo probably isn't talking about what I'm saying (watched the whole video and already forgot everything he said my memory is just bad) I think people who play genshin or Star rail or other Gacha games they do their dailies and spend the stamina on Lvl material or artifacts/relics then they're done with it for that day unless they spend money or primos to refresh. (Is pgr the same as wuwa and you can farm more without using any stamina?) In wuwa you do exactly the same thing as other Gacha games but you have the OPTION to farm the entire map for echo's and having the option to do it makes people think it takes too much time While in reality it's just a option for people that want the perfect echo and will spend hours getting that echo Farming every single enemy in the map isn't part of you're daily grind and probably shouldn't be. @@LUCAS420BLZ
It took me a month just to get a correct main stat for my artifact and Relics in both GI and HSR. 3 days of laying waste I already have 3 units built in Wuwa. 😂@@Kin_shek
Didn't watch the full video but 13:12 was such a bad take. In ww, you can definitely farm echoes hoyoverse-style. It's called "Tacet Field" for the uninitiated. On top of that, ww allows you to farm more as you please. 7 hours for a crit rate echo is straight BS, even if he want to exaggerate, and just sounds like a biased take. If you get 1 crit rate echo in 7 hours, what you need is an exorcism for whatever is on your shoulder instead. Cost 4s are so damn easy to farm, guaranteed echo drop for every non-drop. Get the cost 4 boss echo you need, go to other easy boss (can place TP points btw!) while boss is respawning, defeat the other boss. 80% of the time the boss won't drop another echo and when you return and the boss you need respawns, you will now have guarantee on the next CORRECT echo drop. If its weekly bosses, there isn't even respawn timer, start on 2 difficulty levels lower and spam, can prob get an average of maybe 1 echo every minute. Imagine hoyoverse allows you to spam kill bosses for artifacts/relics/discs. (Yes, I get it hyv equipments themselves can be used as upgrade materials, but the point is you can farm for correct set + main stat without being stamina-gated, guaranteed 1 crit substat at low cost too.) And that, is ADDITIONAL echo opportunity on top of stamina/dailies (yes, dailies give echoes too, bp gives echoes, events gives echoes, certain events even gives selectable main stat echoes). Nobody is forcing you to do it. Don't like it? Just do Tacet Fields stamina-style just as you like it. 14:55 ISTG people be expecting godly pieces to just fall from the sky onto their laps, even I don't have a single piece with all 5 useful substats including double crit. 13:16 "When I roll it, it won't be there" (All flat stats part) also applies to ALL other games with similar equipment system. At least in ww you are not stamina-gated for the correct set + main stat. Imagine spending 1 day of stamina in "other games" and you get either wrong set, wrong slot piece, wrong main stat, wrong substat, and when you finally get a correct piece, then repeat what was said 13:16. 17:22 That's same for all games with similar system too. But at least in ww you get ADDITIONAL echoes for time you put in. That's why people always say AT LOWER USER LEVELS, farm upgrade materials to raise character/skill levels, and not farm artifact/relics, because it is a GUARANTEED UPGRADE. Spending stamina on equipment is not a guaranteed upgrade, sometimes improving only by a small margin. If that's what he meant by "Diminishing returns", then the argument is straight up INVALID, because hoyoverse games do not allow you to get equipment once your spend your stamina on character upgrade materials. You can play ww and consume stamina just as you do for hoyoverse games, but you are given an opportunity to get equipment (echoes in this case) with time. You can do it, or choose not to do it and do it your favourite hoyoverse stamina-only style, nobody forcing you to farm for 7 hours. Either way, it is simply an ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY, greater than what hoyoverse can ever hope to give their players. Dude straight up does not appreciate additional opportunities. Can't say anything else about this. I currently play HSR/WW/ZZZ, and all 3 games are stupidly boring in endgame. But calling some nice features and opportunities an issue is straight up a "you problem". But I can see ww being deadge right from 1.1 release day. I hate exploration-only content, because I came from genshin, which already have 4 years of exploration-only content. 40+ days for the patch which adds only a single mountain is definitely a no for me. Illusive realm was nice (HSR's Gold & Gears still the best update to me though) but still its like a 1-2 hour content to clear all stages. Hope NTE is going to go well, but if they follow ToF's decisions (powercreep/overpriced cosmetics/overpriced "premium" mounts & vehicles etc), it's probably gonna flop again. At least NTE seems more towards single-player and I hope it won't have the same strategy.
The game is not dead when in transition period and patch like any game gonna have the same. Its just a gacha game things don t need to go deeper and do a Iyo take on that.
"Dude straight up does not appreciate additional opportunities." Pearls before swine really. I don't think he even comprehends OPTIONS even if it punches him in the face, considering he praises ZZZ for the lack of it
Tectone only gone on hiatus for a few days and we already got the 2.0 version my god. Edit: to be fair on the last point tho blindfolded combo isnt mashing, sure its show that zzz isnt that hard but when you have to use ellen dash to hold that already stop the mashing allegation.
this dude sound like a game journalist who thinks like he is the center of the world. like how they complained about sekiro being too hard and should have an easy mode so journalists can review em. if you dont have the time for it. then its not for you. everyone else is doing fine with it.
it’s funny bc out of all gacha cc’s he’s literally one of the most irrelevant. And it’s not like he makes meta guides either like some other small ccs. So in both popularity and in guides he’s irrelevant
I've only been doing an hour or two of this game for the past month and I just recently cleared the main quest and is at UL 48 now. I just clear my waveplates everyday and enjoying the game as is. And his reasoning that he is a content creator? Man you can make content without putting all your time in it. Seriously this guy is just shitting.
@@theolailheugue9402 bruh, I started 20 days ago and just reach UL 40 a day ago. Mind you I was playing like 3-4 hour a day for the first few days and just spend at minimum an hour on the rest for dailies and farm. WTF was he doing with the rest of his time?
I just listened to his call with Pokke today. Bro just deflected the wrong term usage on Sanhua instead of admitting he didn't use it properly on Jiyan. Just because Sanhua has a hold move, doesn't mean he used it properly on Jiyan's skill. He just refuses to own up to it and just hears what he wants to hear. At the end of the day, he learned nothing.
Why can't he see that it's not a community issue... He's just hated in the community because he's so incredibly argumentative and can't be wrong. When people argue with him on the interwebz they are toxic and he's not...
i'm ul 58 at this moment right now in wuwa i cleared all holo 6 and 100% a month ago with 70 and lvl 80 units and all of them are r0 with mid echoes "give me more elden ring bosses?- bruh iyo hasnt even beat holo 5 this is giving me brain dead take i usually stay quiet and enjoy the game but wow also i dont get iyo's point about the game doesnt respect your time unless u want to min max which is not optional because min maxing in this game is useless if u have love for combat and challenges for bosses like hologram i literally just log in for 6-8 min to clear dailies i also play zzz and currently inter knot 40 too and bruh wuwa has alot more combat mechanics compare to zzz's space bar parries and dodge and juggling? wtf iyo saying. the juggle in wuwa is much better than zzz coming from a competitive gamer
one comment on an Iyo guide vid was like "why arent u demonstrating the tech in the video" and this man Iyo says something like 'why is that my responsibility to show you, go do it yourself'. what the fuck lol
Simply cause that gonna prove him wrong. And the all mighty fighting game player full of hidden tech and knowedge about all the fighting games and gachas can t be wrong.
It's crazy how he present himself as an fighting game player who knows all this hidden tech etc. and don't even have a single diff6 holo clear, even me who only play 3-4 hours every weekend and open the game for 5-10mins just to do daily everyday have a solo sanhua clear in all diff 6 holo except mephis, well I did solo on diff5 and still trying 😢 to beat diff6
@broccoli5176 dang bro I was gonna ignore you the first time I saw one of your comments but know I can see your a tribalistic gacha game player, so all I gotta say go touch some grass and just play both games instead of one lmao
28:55 doesn't this go both ways why demonize one side alone I've constantly see people mention hoyo when it has nothing to do with them for any upcoming gacha game Wanna know why, they grew out of the Stockholm
I negative edged all over myself.
Also no hate to Iyo, bros an excellent CC
why no hate though, my man's dumb and overconfident
excellent CC W/ excellent L takes but thats nothing new. Time to time he sounds like Mtash LUL.
@@Xzyjj lets be kind to gacha game tourist. he is from fighting games and new to this
@@lucidare my brother, not sure if it's sarcasm, but he doesn't even know fighting games. that's the worst thing. I play fighting games for years and the stuff he says about fighting games on gacha podcasts is clueless blabbering of a novice player with 0 actual knowledge about the games
18:35 what do you mean you didnt knew? you're literally with iyo on tectones gatcha cast 13days ago. where all he talks about is that hes a fighting gamer. every sentence that dude talks about is that he is a fighting gamer.
"I want punishing hard combat" "im mad wuwa punishes me for juggling!" Having these 2 takes in the span of 5 minutes is insaaaane.
That was when I went 🤔
PGR has punishing in its name lmao and its not there for design it's there for a reason 😂
@@HazardTone yep, I don't even play it but I know it has the fastest paced and some of the most challenging combat.
Genshin kinda has big HP pools but easy bosses
Wuwa has some difficult bosses that can one shot you
PGR: Let's do both
If he tries PGR, he will be malding mad with the first boss fight.. The bosses will play with him no joke.
No gacha has punishing or hard combat. If you want that, don't play gacha. Play a game like nioh 2 lol
TLDR of Iyo's vid: He tried to sound cool by using fighting game terms and community called him out on it. He made a 40 minute video because his ego got hurt and instead of reflecting on himself, he blames the community for calling him out.
"...So instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the beasts"
He asked for it 100%
@@amagionguilty gear reference
deserved. was getting annoyed he kept referring to the FGC
I mean in the Gatcha cast he literally said something among the lines of " in tekken to goal is to not let the enemy play the game you launch them and juggle them to infinity until they are dead" which could technically be true if you know nothing about the fighting games it self, but the goal in tekken for example is obviously to win but to achieve that you will not spend hours labbing combos like a dumass so that you can just press them blindlessly to prevent the enemy from attacking, you will learn 2 or 3 good ones and the rest of the game is basically footsies/spacing where you will dance with your enemy trying to bait them in to making a mistake so you can punish them with your crazy juggle that prevent to enemy from playing the game. So the core of the game is basically you judging and testing your enemy and pretty much interacting a lot with them and not what he said, you prevent the enemy from playing the game lol Basically bro knows nothing at all and pretend he does by throwing out lingo at people that don't play fighting games to make it sound like he knows his shit xD
Thank you Pokke for making this video cuz I am able to hate watch IYO without giving him ad revenue.
He made the vid members only. Lol
Man's can't take the heat of the fire he started.
1:18:56
Iyo: "You can't just button mash!"
Pokke: S Rank Shiyu Defense Blindfolded 😂
You can't button mash, said he play fighting game. lmao noob fighting player bet.
Iyo just turned off his video into "Members Only" Imagine that.
He hid in his bubble so people wouldn't criticize him after throwing personal attacks on Twitter when they proved him wrong, and then he played the victim-typical narcissistic behavior.
In his echo chamber and his certified yes-man
that be crazy yo, iyo be so damn thin skinned 😂 and he changed his name to Iyoverse now hahaha what a shill
and its for its max tier members only that alone cost $30+ 💀
Echo chamber safe space 😂
iyo:"you can not blind fold spam in zzz"
poke: 🤨
1:19:26 that blind fold run is just peak cinema while destroying iyo's take lmao.
Lyo should just rename the video to “ I hate wuwa “ . Such a weird thing to say “ wuwa doesnt respect my time “ IDK what you’re expecting from a gacha game.
@@chinkyflahz with him saying that it sound like he didn’t had fun with the game.
@@chinkyflahzim so done with this dude. The same guy who said wuwas overworld is empty because it took inspiration from death stranding lmao. Then might as well say genshin is deathstanding clone. If anything, it was inspired by ds aesthetic and nothing to do with the traversal. Hloy king of L takes
@@chinkyflahz Later in the video he said juggling is useless in wuwa bruh
@@chinkyflahz It doesn't matter if Wuwa is shit, lmao. No matter how long you scream about the opposite.
I played 3 gacha games.
Pgr
Wuwa
Ba.
Took me less than 2 hours per day to do all 3 dailies.
When new content came out i just spend my weekends clearing them.
It's not hard to make time for yourself, but i guess it is easy to make excuses😂
-Iyo complains about Wuthering being too easy. Iyo proceeds to complain about enemies not being punching bags. Who let bro cook?
Skill issue for real, having a hard time against the exile girl who gives shields, is the HEAVIEST skill issue take a human can have, he says it's too easy but from what I'm seeing I feel like he still hasn't cleared diff 4 Memphis without being overgeared lol 😂 funny guy
@@iNaxhtim sorry but he had a hard time with the exile with shield?? Bro those shit are easy to beat like how can it be hard
but you can't juggle them... so what is the point 😭😭
1:19:39 this is just embarrassing for Iyo. Even if Pokke's intention is to not discredit him, but to accept the challenge and show an obvious truth, Iyo just took a massive L here.
To be fair, all gachas have this issue. Once you have the stats, the game becomes easy.
@@ParadoX-osand that's the point about all gacha games being a button masher once you achieve the right amount of stats and levels, or once you are overgeared, he's just an egotistical.mf
@@ParadoX-os not this easy the game is literally a joke
@@Azxahmed Sure buddy.
@@ParadoX-osWuwa has been out longer so more time to build your characters better, and you most definitely could not button mash blindfold the higher difficulty illusive realm/holograms 😭. ZZZ is an easy game because the enemies are punching bags with ridiculous HP, I enjoy ZZZ for what it is, but it’s the easiest HoYo game I’ve played from day one.
It's not that deep... Bro tried to blow up his channel with WUWA, nobody cared about his useless fighting game tech, and he flopped, now he's salty with the community. He's trying to blow up again in ZZZ, but again fighting game tech is useless. Everybody know this is true.
Been saying this since the fighting game/gacha drama came up the first time lol
Also surprise, his most watch vidéo is a WuWa one 😂😂😂
I lost it when he said u need fighting game tech to clear Shiyu defense, u cant just mash, then mr. Pokke does it BLINDFOLDED WHILE MASHING I CAN'T 😂😂😂
And you know he's not making fgc content cause bro probably can't get above mid rank in any real fighting game.
Bro is saying wuwa punishes juggling when in fking zzz u’re also punished like BRO, make it make sense
luckily WW doesnt have another Iyo, bro will recommend Jiyan and Calcharo together in 1 team
Nah that a cheap shot but why is it so true 😂😂
double dps the meta!!!!!
fr Iyo thinks so high of himself, he's terribe a theorycrafting and hardstuck in tekken and acts like hes actually a pro in fighting games
😭😭
@@russlmao7091 don't tell me he's stuck in red ranks
I've never seen a FGC player take so much pride in playing a gacha game with 3 buttons lmao
Sorry bro. You can play your unlimited buttons games. We just can't
It's insufferable and pretentious cringe.
I thought the directional inputs being segmented would give different move sets but nah it's very situational
@@chinkyflahz Yeah, it's devoid of context needed to understand gatcha games. I think that while WuWa has content available, like during new releases of main story quests, it DOES respect your time. The issue with ALL gatcha games is that they are DESIGNED to have diminishing returns of time to progression, and if you exhaust the content, you're supposed to take it easy and use your Energy. It's the equivalent of playing through all of Elden Ring, exploring the map fully, then saying that it doesn't respect your time because you ran out of progression after hitting level 999 and finding all the items lmao. If you're at that point, chill out and wait for the DLC to drop! Or understand that you've exhausted the current content.
Also he uses being a content creator as a shield, saying he needs special privileges to pump out a steady stream of content.... No game OWES you that lmao. That whole access to test servers demand was WILD. Sure it's good for CC's if they have that, but to expect that as your due? Get out of here.
I think that he's not saying "as a fighting game player" just to take pride and make himself look cool "I'm a fighting game player I'm more hardcore than you casual gacha game player" no I think he says that to tell people I have the background to know what I'm talking about so you can take my words on this but that's what I think.
king of shit takes yapped for so long just to say "im the only mf who should be praised"
The honored one who shall be the only one praised mentioned⁉️⁉️⁉️🔥🔥🔥
"Through yapping and L takes, im alone the edging one"
Peak comedy, dude is whole circus
The Envi of HSR 🔥🔥🔥
yup, same vibe ngl
His entire video comes across as him being upset he never got praised in the Wuwa community for making combat-based content. He is very jealous that Rexlent is getting the praise he believes he deserves, and now he wants that same praise from the ZZZ community, which dont want him looool
Funny about it is that Rex is just a better player and has been in these since pgr
Bro I love that you're self aware enough to say you're a translator, not a guidemaker.
even Iyo himself took tech from chinese CCs, bro just chooses to share within his circle like some sorts of secret that NOBODY KNOWS
I mean...all honesty...that video was so hypocritical of him. He complains about people being negative to a game he likes, but then acts negative towards another game...like dude, arent you acting like the people you complain about?
bois, we have another "slime" incident
His takes sounds like he's rage baiting Genshin and Wuwa community while dragging the Fighting Game community along with it lol. These communities are starting to get annoyed with him which is kinda dangerous unless he can handle the heat of drama territory lol.
He’s a drama streamer at this point. It’s his only way to stay relevant. Bad content, bad guides, bad takes. Drama is his only avenue. If it wasn’t for tectone he would be competely irrelevant
he isn't even skilled 😂 with a non-likeable personality acting holier than thou 😆 it makes sense that making drama is his ticket to relevancy
I mean I just figured we finally see why the fighting game community don't want him anymore 😂
IYO says: u have to use this in ur BNB combo the only way i know BNB cuz of fighting games it means "bread and butter" fighting games actually invent Bread and butter , if u dont play fighting games u dont have bread or butter
@@chinkyflahz oh u mean SWAPBACK SWAPBACK? thats a fighting game term if u didnt know
@@mohamedsaid2227 so fighting games invented breakfast
HOLY SHIT I CANT EAT WITHOUT FIGHTING GAMES?
Ayo fighting games invented bread? Thats crazy
@@carlosrobinson7176 Facts bro. Back in medieval people just chew on grains, like can you believe that?
It's fascinating how Iyo had to make a 40 minute WuWa hate video where he lies and perfectly shows his hypocrisy just because he got OneGuy'ed on multiple occasions.
2 questions
1.When did he get oneguy'ed?
2. What does one oneguy'ed mean💀
@@Accountthatexistsoneguyed mean litteraly on guys told you a info and you take it as a fact even though you didnt verify it and only one random viewer told you said info 😂😂
@treasure9342 oneguyed means one guy in chat says something and you get hung up on it and pay enough attention to it that you get tricked into thinking it's an issue
For instance, streamer is talking for a while, one guy in chat mentions an audio issue, the streamer then spends like 5 minutes double and triple checking audio and asking chat, and it turns out no one else said anything was wrong
Thx❤@@Paul_Frank
Fr no one is legitimately saying all those mechanics originated from WuWa itself and anyone actually saying it is just trolling
Ok, the cut where you did ZZZ blindfolded earned my respect. Subbed, heck LMAO
This Iyo is the kind a guy that doesn't know what he want.😂😂😂
1st, he complained about Wuwa doesn't respect his time. Then he complained about Wuwa doesn't have stuff to do
2nd, he say he want high difficulty in wuwa, but he haven't clear Hologram level 6, not even level 5.
3rd, he say he doesn't hate Wuwa but then shitting on Wuwa for 30mins+
Self proclaimed fighting gamer expert, but praise ZZZ combat mechanic which is extremely limited in character's skill and ultimate.
4. His most view vid is wuthering waves
You right i really dont like his take
At least ZZZ has skill and ultimate (and a lot of strict timing dependant combos and techs, but who cares, right?) and not just holding LMB on Jiyan.
@@0kaiKaiit's only jiyan? Not every character have multi hit that last long like that? Also try hold lmb on chalcaro 😂
Zzz doesn't even have complicated core passive lol, most of them just hold ex skill or hold basic, that's all
Let’s be real, the biggest hit on gacha are not guides or even leaks…
It’s the nuclear drama 😂
fr bro i eat this shit up more than guides any day
Tectone unironically carries the genre
Nah fr 😭😭😭
IYO thought he cooked with this video, all he did was get cooked by a good part of the comment sections for his L takes. the hypocrisy is unreal all his shit takes for WuWa can also be attributed to ZZZ but he clearly doesn't see it that way coz he be wanting the clout for being a ZZZ CC
Exactly, like does he think that he can do in zzz what you can't do in wuwa's combat..?
iyo thinks he cooks with that vids
"wuthering waves have no relatable dedicated creator" (creators who only posts wuthering waves content)
-bud every gacha creators are posting guides from different gacha u cant stick to a single gacha as creator since theres a lot of gacha games to cover(also iyo is not even relatable dedicated creator cuz he is posting star rail,zzz)
called out rexlent for not being relatable cuz he posted s6r5 jinhsi and says he doesnt create guides (also he said he watches rexlent)
-dude u clearly didnt watch rexlent. he create guides and he PINNED A VIDEO ON HIS CHANNEL THAT TEACHES U HOW TO PLAY ALL CHARACTER IN 1.0
he says u cant juggle bosses and u get punished for styling in wuthering waves and not zzz
-man... u can juggle bosses when they dont have shield and keep them in same spot if u did combo them non stop(it was later proven in pokke stream)
this is why u rehearse when making vids not just say what comes out to ur brain unfiltered and spit half bake takes
he called wuthering waves whole community toxic because theres like 3-4 ppl just saying zzz combat is worse than wuwa lmao. also in iyos vid 95% of comments are just there being critical and commenting his mistakes and not even toxic. but i think theyre "toxic" cuz he disaggreed with iyo.
@@lucidarethink he's trying hard to be like Tec but failing so bad
At least Tectone makes some sense at times
He clearly didn't watch rexlent then. The guy literally doing hologram for his viewers with their account. Bro, i can't even do crownless 6 with my own account, lol.
Why even say anything bad about Rex he's literally a whale he doesn't hide it also makes guides on how to play a character not resource farming
He's been doing that from Pgr when it came out to global he continued to wuwa
He hadn't streamed Zzz once I'd like to know his take on it above anyone else's but he's not even uploaded it one bit
Outside of that Iyo keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into a delusion it's not healthy
u can juggle boss actually
against crownless hologram first phase
when u send him flying u can switch to chixia and pew pew the boss to keep him in the air
which is funny
i think wallenstein did that in one of his video abt chixia
Bro making all of the FGC look like we're deranged 💀💀💀
are you guys usually pretty chill?
It's my first experience seeing a fighting game youtuber discuss OTHER games' mechanics
and he seems to have a "holier than thou because I play fighting games" attitude
from my experiences i would say the FGC is normally one of the better community when compared to other gaming communities soooo don't use this dude as an example of what the rest of the community is like because yeah he has a crazy ego it seems and doesn't think too much LOL
someone from the fgc gotta clear shi up with lyo or bro about to wipe the floor with that title lmao
@@Ardeleus Yes we are. FGC is a very niche community and most of the time we never complain. Cuz about 90% of the time its a Me problem if you're bad at the game. Unless the character is really really broken. Tho depends on the Fighting Game. if SF/Tekken/Smash/ASW games.
i'm not fighting game enjoyer but the impression i have about them is the better they play the humble they are, rather, it's a given in that kind of game "to be humble or to be humbled"
only watched 15 mins of the video but to me it seems like Iyo needs to chill a bit and enjoy playing first then think about content creation second
Imagine coming into normal game and saying words no one uses. And he feeling we're are ignorant MFS.🤣. Atleast say what the fuck that word is .🤣
Notice how all of these content creators aren’t playing these games. Every single one of them is just talking about drama and other people’s opinions instead of playing
@@2BAMaster9 tectone has that much following and mf just does with drama. I know he's not a bad person but watching drama( good or not) messup your brain. Afterall these years . Just play at your own pace andwatch guides. That's it. No need to get involved in drama. Also let's be real there's no streaming content for them if they only play games unlike us players.
Nah man he is too busy yapping and the game doesnt respect his yapping time allocation
Holy nuclear. Iyo quit wuwa because it takes "too much time", while playing ZZZ for over 30+ hours just to get to the "fighting game" gameplay. While also spending HOURS yapping and complaining about everything. Never actually spending his time making actual detailed guides. The narcissism is wild. He needs to touch grass genuinely. Genuinely.
(I'm only in 16 mins, theres another hour of this lmao)
Iyo's hipocrisy at its finest
also "i want wuwa to be my hard game" and then play zzz and thinking it complicated and had actual hard endgame lol
The fact that bro also has to balls to say that he "helped discover swap tech" is wild considering I didn't need to be told that it existed as I figured it out in 5 hours of game time by myself
So if I sum this up, Iyo just wanted to be recognized as the messiah of the WuWa community.
Since I can't seem to find Iyo's video anymore, this was helpful. Thanks Mr Pokke
@@chinkyflahz 🤣
He's mad because Kuro isn't giving him special privileges and sponsor money 😂
??? Kuro don't have money.
@@joshl7374kuro don’t have money lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll when your game is good u don’t need to pay people to play the game it’s simple (unlike genshin )
@@joshl7374"Don’t have money"
They got 100 million dollars in just two months.
They are literally the gacha game with the third highest revenue in a month with almost 50× less player than genshin lmao@@joshl7374
@jjjj2260 cope? He literally said in his video he wanted privileges from Kuro(sponsored) to play the game
Bruh the guy has so many bad takes its actually impressive.
I don’t get why he thinks the echo system is worse then HY’s system. WuWa’s system has 2 layers of RNG a main stat and a substat. Rolls exist in WuWa but the difference between a low roll and a high roll is not really that big enough to care. While in HSR/Genshin/ZZZ you have to get something with the right main, the right subs and then you have to pray it rolls good. That’s 2(.5) layers of RNG vs 3. Furthermore WuWa gives you an option to progress even if you run out of stamina. You can spend 7 hours if you want for echo pieces or if you just wanna spend stamina on tacet fields then that’s fine. At least you have options, while for HY’s system the artifacts are locked behind stamina so even if you want to progress it’s impossible and time/money gated. So both don’t respect your time, one just gives you an option to invest more time if you want. The only real issue with WuWa that has less to do with it’s system is the scarcity of echo exp & tuners (even though I personally don’t find it an huge issue) but yeah. On an objective level, WuWa’s system has less RNG factors that you have to deal with and you are more likely to get something you want.
"this is not relatable" okay, why does it need to be? Its entertainment. Does a piece of media HAS to be relatable for someone to be able to enjoy it? WE KNOW we wont have a c6r5 character, but we enjoy watching it regardless
Well it matters in regards to the context. If someone wants to say the game is easy because they have an E6 5 star character, that is not a valid point because that is not relatable to vast majority of players. If you want to talk about If it's entertaining to watch people use those characters, sure. But it depends on what the context is. I can't tell you yanqing is a tier 0 character because I have him at E6 with max imposed 5 star LC and perfect relic rolls. Not relatable in the slightest. Hope that makes sense
@@GodofGoblins I get where you're coming from, yes context is important, I should've highlighted that, as in this, it's referring to Iyo's take on rexlent's jinhsi video, we know that was just to showcase what a max refined Nuker character can do, it was just for entertainment, which he called 'not relatable', I was just pointing that one out, besides, rex is an excellent guide maker, his PGR character guides have helped countless players including me when I got into the game, same with WuWa too.
@seismicfart ah OK. Yeah if the purpose was purely for entertainment, than iyo is buggin
"U see I KNOW IT ALL cause im a FIGHTING GAME PLAYER, and if u disagree ur wrong and toxic"-Iyo 2024
Edit: No hate for Iyo, he's pretty funny, but be just made himself look.....not smart
yea, that sum it about rite.
Bro he just gets more annoying the more you hear him.
I started many of his videos cuz he is a good cc, but the more he talks about " i know this because i play fighting games" the more annoyed i get.
this is the same person who say there is no powercreep in HSR because 4 stars can still clear MoC.
its like saying "bicycle isnt powercrept by motorcycle because bicycle can still get you to the same place" while not mentioning it takes much longer to get there and how much more effort/energy spent.
edit: looks like few people can't differentiate between "it takes much longer to get there" and "you can't get there in time", which are 2 entirely different things.
Iyo has some bad takes but jeez stop putting the FGC into his crap, we enjoying evo2024 now we don't need this kind of negativity thanks to Iyo's takes
iyo has nothing but L takes
Here's the Iyo saga guys. He hyped up Wuwa in his mind to be like a fighting game and he slowly realized it isn't a fighting game so now he doesn't like it.
I'm tryna believe Iyo but it's just so hard... all of his arguments are just weird or flat wrong.
-"WuWa doesn't respect your time." How? It's not 7 hours for a crit piece. 2 minute respawn, 30 secs to defeat, 30 secs travel time. 3-4 attempts. Do the math.
-"Let's just use fighting game terms." If the community liked the terms, we would use them. Welcome to the Gacha community, enjoy your stay.
-"All the negativity in my ZZZ videos is just jealous WuWa players." Yeah bro the WuWa audience you cultivated over the last couple months want more WuWa content. It's not rocket science... gotta use reading comprehension to scroll past the troll comments.
His video is such a waste of time. Stoking the flames of the gacha wars, adding to the toxicity.
2 minutes respawn is actually the thing that i appreciate the most, since i want to check on what i get and what i can get from the tuning, it's actually really nice.
Blud really said wuwa didn't respect time but played ZZz which you need to play 20 hrs for you to enjoy the game xD (community said)
Nah bro didnt respect my time with that 44 min vid
@@chinkyflahz what the quest name
@@chinkyflahzjesus
nahhh bro you gotta put 40 hours before it gets good bro like trust me bro it's true
As someone who did play ZZZ for 30 hours yeah this is true you unironically need to play over 20 hours for the game to not be trash
I've been within the FGC for 10+ years and Iyo is hard to watch. He's too pretentious with an ego. He always has the "I put the tech on the map, but y'all hating so I have to gatekeep". "Gatekeeping tech" in a non competitive gacha game is cringe. He uses fighting game terms loosely and tries too hard to coin it within these gacha games. Like bro, we can keep it simple and just call it "animation cancel". I promise you the FGC is chill and not this annoying. Everything MrPokke said about this is on point, they're friends tho, so no hate! We remain NEUTRAL! 😤30:51 is crazy tho lmao
yeah I would not be able to tell he was a fgc player from the way he acts about it. I have barely met any fgc player that act like this.
Ngl, I feel like Iyo just had some gripes with the devs and/or the community and it altered his view on the game, because a lot of the things he's saying aren't true even subjectively
27 mins in, and Iyo is still talking about him being the ONLY MF WHO SHOULD BE PRAISED, because he "knows tech" that "nobody else knows or uses" and doesnt tell anyone because of how narcissistic he feels. Meanwhile the TC community has hundreds upon hundreds of hours minmaxing rotations and discovering tech that he probably cant even execute. Blud hasnt made any fighting game content for over 9 years, yet he talks as if he knows a lot. He keeps acting as if he is deserving of praise, being the greatest player ever, yet his mechanics are mid. Blud keeps farming Ls.
Also, 33:04 blud just admitted skill issue? He cant do simple tech?
iyo is going down with that video lol, how a single video can ruin someone's career, enviosity 2.0 reborn
Pokke's blindfold ZZZ run just make him lock his vid behind membership only
The slap on the face was so hard from mrpokke's S-rating Shiyu Defense blindfolded (F2P btw), that he has to hide his video from embarrassment of saying those false takes.
Bro might be negative edging
might be but I'm positively edging to this comment
What is negative edging 💀
@@starless0021I wanna know too.. english is not my first language
@@starless0021 yea im so confused on todays vocabulary lol, im a gen z myself and i can barely keep up with all the new slang
@@PikachuPoliceso apparently I found out that negative edging means the downward graph 📉 in statistics, maybe in slang it means your stocks (respect/value/worth) are falling and losing credibility.
Bruh why the fuck Rexlent is catching strays LMFAO he literally has a Crash Course series for every WuWa character
I think I know why. Rex is pretty much loved by the WuWa/PGR fanbase so calling him out would get their attention, which would result in him being "attacked" so he can act like a victim.
Based Pokke 's neutral take, having him lighten up the mood legit calmed me down and prevented me from doing unwise things hahahaha!
You see, while Iyo has SOME good takes, as a CC you should never fall into the trap of sounding arrogant and superior to people, talking down to them. That's what caused Enviosity's downfall, and Iyo is seriously channeling some "I'M THE ONLY MFER THAT SHOULD GET PRAISE" energy. Especially the arguments that sound like, "I'M THE MASTER FIGHTING GAMER THAT PUT NEGATIVE EDGING ON THE MAP FOR YOU CLUESS PLEBS", “YOU GUYS DON’T HAVE ANYONE LIKE ME, I LOOK OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NONE, WAIT MAYBE ONE ONLY OF YOUR COMMUNITY IS LIKE THAT, THAT REXLENT GUY AIN’T IT.” and “MY AWESOME FIGHTING GAME SELF HAS GIVEN ME KNOWLEDGE OF TECHS OF UNTOLD POWER, THAT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS’S TOXIC IDIOCY FORCES ME NOT TO SHARE THEM, BUHAAHAHAH!”
Comments like that will drown out your good criticisms since it causes people listening to you to see red instantly and become defensive. It also plays into what I call the CC spiral.
As a CC, you communicate to a large audience of people who might not know the full context of everything you’re talking about. In Iyo’s case, the reason why he’s on this impassioned anger fueled rant is indignation at having been on the receiving end of some toxicity. However when he’s making that rant he’s hitting with a wide aoe. Take someone like me, I only know Iyo from Tectone’s gatcha cast, so I’m not a part of the people he’s saying spreading toxicity. However, with him shitting on a game I like in such a wide manner, in the heat of things I might take it the wrong way and miss the nuances of his message, then feeling like I’ve been maligned unfairly I might make a post in anger shitting on Iyo in return. Especially if I feel like some of his criticisms are misinformed or aren’t supported by the facts.
To that end, unless you’re like Tectone and farming hate for content all while tanking the blows and laughing about it, it’s better to be more careful as a CC and avoid accidentally clipping more than your intended targets with AoE attacks haha. After all it’s easier for one person to reign themselves in, than it is to expect all of thousands or more to take your passionate rage fueled rants with the proper nuance and respond level headedly.
Luckily for me I had Mr.Pokke to set me straight and cool me off with his enlightened neutrality and funny jokes!
What you say is true, he does have good content and good advice but he needs to just shut up sometimes lol
Sure calmed you down
Joking but holy yap, I agree though
Also the thing about rexlent is his love and passion for what he does and giving back to the community with his time and efforts, he's just one of the bros
People who go into gacha with a business mindset in hopes to preach to the choir always have jarring personality shifts when a smidgen of fame is headed their way
While I agree with Iyo when he isn't doing a 1v100 he should tone down and just stick to guides because he's sounding like an elitist
this is one of the most brilliant and accurate breakdowns of the gacha content creators
and it's IN THE COMMENT SECTION
Rephrase this whole message to be not about anyone in specific and then pin it to every single video from a gacha CC ever. At least those who engage with the drama part of it. More people need to understand this stuff, it might even help them reign themselves in.
what caused envi's downfall is him shit talking tectone's past personal relationships tbh, if it was just "i'm the only mfer" it would have blown over immediately (as it probably will with iyo)
After this video, Iyo should rename himself Ego. The dumbest take in this video is when he says "I want WuWa to be my difficult game" and then complains that he cannot juggle enemies forever. Not much difficulty in a game when an enemy is just sitting in the air unable to attack you. That and the fighting game references holy, bro's got fighting game brain rot, this game ain't not fighting game.
Damn Iyo, Imagine developing a superiority complex over games. That's just sad.
He was dunk so much on he made the vidéo member only.
I think that summurise pretty well the situation, he need an ego + reality check ASAP cause now he realy became the next Enviosity for HSR and ZZZ.
Tbh I kinda started moving away from Iyo because his constant "I'm FGC btw" became so much more annoying than the "f2p btw" shit. Anyone in the FGC knows that nothing carries over to this game and he's just trying to force a point that doesn't exist. While in the FCG I've never heard of him, so this can only be an attempt to market himself as unique, which is commendable... But for anyone who knows, they know.
Yeah I've stopped watching Iyo and Gacha Smack. Both have huge egos and attack their audience so often lol, it's so weird. It's usually addressed at the haters but like, fans are gonna watch too, and they address their haters as the viewer. Felt so weird getting heat thrown at me when I hadn't done shit lmao.
@@kushj9568 I see what you're saying, but Smack is still an enjoyable guy to listen to. He also didn't throw around "FGC" like a punctuation mark, and the only time he got a little bit too much about "knowing about fighting games" (which is a fair statement!) was in the ZZZ x SF thing.
@@VoltSlash most of the time smack is sane from what i have seen
Iyo is solely responsible for getting me into watching content creators on gacha games. Genuinely his way of thinking when it comes to units/build crafting is what got me there. That being said I get the fatigue. Man is a certified yapper with a bit of an ego. Used to click on every video he'd push out. Skipped videos he's put out post this one (which is now private.) I honestly don't understand why there's drama.
I've been a gamer since I could hold a controller and I've never experienced this until I got into Gacha.
I never heard him in FGC community ever in my entire life!!! Not even DBFZ, Guilty Gear, MK, GBVS , none!!!! And if you thinks games are grindy!? MF never play Fighting games before! Without spending time and grinding you will just get trashed in PVP! YOU WILL GET DETROY IN PVP! Bet he only play with AI and spam that one move like Hulk ground smash, vegeta beam with kamehameha assist with super dash. The audacity to say Wuwa simple? MF I can't even brain dead mash attack with Jinhsi (Meta Character) for the nuke on Memphis or I'm dead! EVEN IN THE FGC COMMUNITY RULE IN FIGHTING YOU DON'T JUST SMASH OR YOU DEAD! ZZZ is mash brain dead!
I play fighting games (specifically Tekken 8, was a professional player in my country back in Tekken 7) and comparing fighting game to a gacha game is ridiculously funny. Dude's crazy. I play ZZZ and Wuwa because I want to, not because I am a fighting game player. Imagine playing ZZZ or Wuwa because you want to improve your fighting game skills, it's like you want to learn basketball but you keep on training on a table tennis. Funny and ridiculous content.
@@chinkyflahz ngl, but as a fighting game player, I'm pretty sure 90% of the FGC doesn't use those terms regularly. There's some fighting game notations we use normally in conversations but that's literally because we have to call it something instead of making a huge description every time.
@@liteyearsx the only people you're gonna hear saying those terms are the ones who has no skills in fighting games, or nerds. They rely on complicated terms just for them to look smart or talented.
@@chinkyflahz As far as I know, Negative Edge (not edging) comes from a mechanic used by a guilty gear character, Zato. However, it's a mechanic that is quite specific, and as not every fighting character has that, you don't hear that term often, except if a game has that kind of mechanic. Swapback Swapback is weird. I heard Swapback being used in team fighters (Dragon Ball Figheterz, Marvel VS Capcom) in which you force one of your opponent's character to come back on the field. Anyway, using any FGC term on Gacha games is cringe af and is just about showing the world he knows shit. He can say cancel instead of kara cancel, he can say swap instead of swapback, he can say hold the button instead of saying negative edge.
7:04 bro is stressing about gotcha taking a long time to farm...
That's when you know you're still lacking.
Being a fighting game player doesn't make you a good player or knowing it all, Just look at Lowtiergod.
That aside why Gacha creator think so highly of themselves, I saw alot of good gacha creator whose teach and giving tips to the player or at least entertain them and here we have a gacha creator who does literally nothing but talking shit to other game because he doesn't like it enough.
You can't just blame anything on the community when you are the one who drown yourself in a oil and light up the fire, If you try to start a fight then be prepare to take it.
So tired of this shit.
The Intro man, the intro is Holy Nuclear! I was repeating it around 10x already and I'm still laughing so hard 🤣😂 Damn.
Iyo: "The Wuthering Waves Community, the Neo Genshin community, DOES NOT HAVE A 'ME' " (with a strong pointing to that capcom creators jacket) damn.
It's resounding like that Enviosity Slime vibes: "i should be the only Mdfkr getting praised" Damn!! 🔥
Mr pokkee accepting the blindfold challenge was pure cinema.
1:16:50 "smash ult, intro/outro, skill, basic attack" is supposed to be a criticism of wuwa as if ZZZ is any better.
whataboutism, criticism of a game isn't invalidated because you have complaints about another game.
1:19:20 I now have High Respect to Mrpokke. Shutting down the yapping guy with Proof of S Rating in Shiyu Defense Blindfolded.
Proof with solid evidence like mrpokke does and not just yap of words with no evidence like iyo does.
Pokke being blindfolded while the Zzz music is playing is... ngl - REALLY COOL. Daaamn
Bro wants zzz to be a fighting game so bad it's sad... he tries to force stuff like juggling so much BRO i don't need to juggle no shit to clear content don't act like it's a game changer my god it's so embarassing
"The father of hidden mechanics" 😂
I cant... The more this sht goes on the more stupidier i get 😂
@@chinkyflahz And we gonna call it "SwapBack SwapBack" technique, pretty cool right
@@chinkyflahz I remember in the previous creator talk where blud was trying to sell nekomata havy attack dash to get to new enemies and the 33% chance to get an additional dash as hidden tech when all that "hidden" tech is literally written in the skill description. Blud thinks reading is hidden tech. 💀
Oh my god mind blowing tech
You can't be stylish in combat? Bro the quick swap mechanic is one of the coolest ways I've seen people use for combat in wuwa
It makes u feel like all characters are on field at the same time, it teaches you about good timing...
AND it REWARDS you by having faster rotations, faster ER for all characters since they're all participating in the fight at the same time, and you can save time by doing another action with another character meanwhile the first one finishes their animation
Idk why he thinks juggling is the only way to have a fun and rewarding cobat, it just makes the enemies a punshing bag
But that's just my opinion
Watching tectomes react and iyo doubling down and now him playing the race card absolutely wild
"I should be the only MF who should be praised"
- EnvIYOsity
1:08:33 "take skull girls"
Ok i guess we're gonna take the ONE fighting game that has no strict combo limit
While forgetting every other game like
Strive with gravity scaling
Gbvsr with a hard combo limit
Dnf duel (although large asf) has combo limit as well
Like huh?
Imagine being one of the worst CC giving bad advice (Action Advance Silver wolf and such) and being one of the worst player around, but thinking he is so skilled. At this point Iyo is a joke. People i know all basically agree that the opposite of what is say is the right thing
I can't believe iyo is a fighting game player wtf...
the same way im a professional basketball player, i talk about it all day but never play.
it actually explains a lot
@@mfyippekiyay728 🤣🤣
Probably plays arena fighters and is really good at ranked naruto ninja storm... Shame that's not a fighting game.
Never seen him at any major.
Iyo sounds so obnoxious and full of himself with so many bad takes it's so painful to watch.
Thank goodness our resident F2P streamer is here to keep us entertained.
Bro had such a bad take he had to lock it to channel members only lmfao.
Imagine trying to get technical help from someone who pointlessly complicates already gate-kept jargon like Iyo does:
"Hey, how do I open this file?"
"Sinistra input"
*five minutes later* "Why the fuk didn't you just say left click?"
"What, you don't know the Latin word for left?"
That's about how stupid inserting a Japanese word to form "Kara Cancel" sounds.
@@BBLLEEPP ya fighting game terms are only useful in the fgc outside of it it's basically useless so I don't know why iyo keeps trying to promote the terms in the gacha community
no hate to Iyo but this was objectively a bad take. Every single gacha game is the same once you get to end game. All around this is just a massive recency bias video
edit: Neutrally speaking I'm convinced he's either rage baiting or he just decided to do a nuclear bad take speedrun.... Absolute insane cinema
Iyo is the aspect of bad take at this point.
I dont think its a bad take at all. the idea he is trying to get across is unfortunately missing because he doesnt know how to articulate it well. he is basically saying that wuwa combat is not good because the game doesnt force you to engage with the system. it has all these cool ideas and its super fun but the game never ever throws anything at you that poses a threat or forces you to engage in this lovely system. ToA is 3 boring floors with no parry at all because you cant parry non boss mobs, then 3rd floor is just elites which are sponges that barely feel like you actual do anything to them (they have little to no visual feedback) and the final floor is a boss and bosses only have the parry mechanic in them and the rest of the combat system reverts to normal gacha game standard because of it. this is the core issue I have with WuWa, it has this lovely combat system that you cant ever engage with because the normal mobs are far too weak and appear in super tiny groups and then the bosses are just parry simulation. ZZZ fixes this problem by allowing you to parry every single enemy so the combat feels more engaging overall. it might not be as in depth (i think it is more in depth but that is just personal opinion on what depth is) but it allows you to always engage with every part of the combat system.
tl:dr he is saying that wuwa combat doesnt force the players to engage with the full extent of the combat system they designed.
@@kregman6928 bruh he make dif takes on last part, he say the games doesnt let me juggle enemy in wuwa because they have revenge mechanic which is true and say zzz he can perma juggle enemy and do stylish stuff but on last take he change it to you cant button mash in zzz which is poke already prove on shiyu 7 where he is blindfolded spam button. His take is already down the drain when all of this stylish doesnt work on enemy that cant be juggled which is almost every big enemy in shiyu defense. Its back to farming relic and getting the best dmg rotation for end content for every game.
@@kregman6928 I can see where you are coming from, indeed at certain points of the game we reach a point where we do not fully engage with the combat system. However, do note this situation would occur one day with ZZZ as well as did with wuwa/genshin/hsr etc. . Look at the anton cinema 1 tech that allows players to bruteforce through their own character energy mechanics by negating it. Please also also look at how players are now actively skipping the assist mechanic due to it taking up your damage window.
At the end of the day ZZZ would actually end up like wuwa, being a parry simulation till the boss's toughness is down and then hitting it with your dps similar to wuwa. In fact we are not experiencing this problem now simply because we are still near the launch of the game where we have worse built units and worse knowledge on character tech and are thus forced to engage with character and boss mechanics more.
So of course we are forced to engage with the mechanics more, because our units are built less and our own knowledge of the game is less extensive.
As for the depth of the game, I would say my personal opinion is that since parry and dodge windows are objectively tighter in wuwa, we are forced to adapt our rotation more to enemy mechanics as we need to land our attack at the right time to parry. ZZZ on the other hand as long as the orange indicator flashes, pressing spacebar would parry it already regardless of mechanics (character does take damage though if they are in the middle of attack when swapping, I like that, makes it more in depth imo). In this regard I would say it is more in depth than ZZZ.
I think like @yuunarukami8622 has stated, iyo has consistently proven his own points wrong and has been hypcritical. For example he states that wuwa is not respecting his time through echo farming and ZZZ is, and yet wuwa's echo farming is not limited by energy just by time spent farming whereas ZZZ requires energy to farm the disks. There are quite a few others but then again you can look at his list, I would recommend mrpokke account audit hsr for iyo to highlight his "issues".
Then again I also appreciate a different perspective on iyo's point. ^^
Anything that's out of the norm for the the gacha community is a bad take now lol yall all sound the same in the comment section
All I heard was “I wish I could put in close to no time or effort and cash out on content for the game, so I’m mad. “
Hi Horg!
@@anyanova2513 hi!
Never delete this, Pokke. Absolute cinema! 🤣
I lost it when he said u need fighting game tech to clear Shiyu defense, u cant just mash, then mr. Pokke does it BLINDFOLDED WHILE MASHING I CAN'T 😂😂😂
My favourite part about this is the fact that Iyo is implying that he doesn’t do enough damage to just one shot mobs by being able to juggle them
Honestly, idk if I will ever watch iyo again after watching him get his back blown out by mrpokke 😂
I think what Iyo doesn't understand is that the small amount of depth in ZZZ isn't rewarding like fighting games. In Tekken, I'm rewarded for knowing frame data, doing electrics/just frames, doing korean backdash etc.. In ZZZ there is no incentive to learn anything outside of mashing basic attack and parrying/dodging when you see the screen prompt. You'll clear the content either way and the reward for doing anything more is miniscule. I like ZZZ, but let's not compare it to fighting games.
Iyo randomly mentioning fighting terms was annoying tbh. I play fighting games so I can understand the terms but I'd imagine a lot of the people would just be even more confused.
Also the reaction to Negative Edge is just priceless
He should blindfold Mephis 5, just to keep it fair.
He never pass any hologram in dif 5.
@@theolailheugue9402complain that boss arent aggressive like bro what boss were you fighting? The pufferfish and tortoise?
@@Bruh-uy3rl i just repeat Iyo complain on WuWa bosses. Nothing more.
@@theolailheugue9402btw i wasnt talking about you i was talking about iyo saying that wuwa boss arent aggressive
Don't be too hard on him, red mist Lightcrusher is a good starter 😗.
"I was the no 1 WUWA public enemy"
I haven't even heard your name until this vid.
That's what I'm saying bro almost no one talked about him until zzz
@@terrormansakata9626 he sound so mad ZZZ kinda flopped hard in the west (not saying the game is bad or something, just that the game is big in asia, but western players really dont care much about it)
he probably though ZZZ would be his ticket to notoriety
I didn't even watch that video he mentioned when he became "the enemy"
@@ganyumaindayone1112 Which "Western" players are you talking about? The fact that the brainless subscribers of Teccy and his suckers do not talk about the game does not confirm that no one is interested in the game. The views say the opposite.
@@broccoli5176 it doesnt even make 10 % of its revenue in the west compared to genshin and wuwa reaching over 20% in both and HSR 15/20 %
twitch and youtube stats are down the drain aswell despite a lot and i mean A LOT of sponsored streams from big names outside of the gacha world
this game is a failure compared to both genshin and HSR in the west
24:12 That is just wrong. He is not taking terminoligy from a single game and trying to push it onto other games. He is taking terminoligy that has existed for a few decades now for an entire genre of games (fighting games) and applying it to new games that are openly mimicking fighting games
I don't understand his takes, from what I got:
1. Wuthering waves doesnt respect my time because I have to play a lot in the overworld, but also the overworld sucks and theres nothing to do but log on daily and log off?
2. Wuthering waves is too easy, but also I can't juggle a mob infinitely so it can't attack back.
3. Wuthering waves has so much tech, but end game bosses don't require you to use it, but neither does ZZZ.
4. You can't mash in zzz, go try shiyu defense 10, but also I haven't tried holo diff 5.
5. Your echos can roll bad, but so can your disks in ZZZ, the only difference is disk farming cost stamina!
@@chinkyflahz yeah lmao I mashed in Shiyu 10 and still got A rank, the boss didn't even have any good patterns or mechanic, I just simply lacked gears and levels
Shiyu 10 has been debunked
@@chinkyflahz might be a good idea to post it somewhere if thats the case
just to have a source for future reference
cause I think this point would get brought up again
also show the weapon, disk, stats, and constellation since thats also a factor in the argument
Character techs can definitely take you far in WuWa ToA. They're not just for show. For those characters that allow them of course.
I'm not even talking about the character rotations that eventually just becomes a standard practice for someone who takes ToA properly.
And the wuwa's newest character, Changli takes this to the next level because of how her kit are both multifaceted/dynamic, and allows animation slipping (different from animation cancelling). Also she can juggle and do air combat, which again rebuttles Iyo's other takes.
If anyone would ask for a reference videos for the things I'm talking about, I would gladly give. There are A TON here in UA-cam.
"wuwa doesn't respect my time" I think those TVs really respect his time😅
Funniest part is that it’s a FG player saying it, which means he’s spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in training mode just to learn combos for the characters he likes 😂 mf has spent more time hitting stationary practice enemies than he has actually playing any of these gacha games
Wuwa takes so much less time than Pgr for me however after you clear Wuwas story there's nothing to do beyond random chests and using stamina
I have no idea how wuwa takes more time, I would know I played 777 hours of genshin and I'm playing wuwa less because there's LESS
@@LUCAS420BLZ yeah cause that’s a Genshin upgraded 2.0 😆
Btw which one is easier for grinding a perfect set?
I might be wrong about this and iyo probably isn't talking about what I'm saying (watched the whole video and already forgot everything he said my memory is just bad)
I think people who play genshin or Star rail or other Gacha games they do their dailies and spend the stamina on Lvl material or artifacts/relics then they're done with it for that day unless they spend money or primos to refresh.
(Is pgr the same as wuwa and you can farm more without using any stamina?)
In wuwa you do exactly the same thing as other Gacha games but you have the OPTION to farm the entire map for echo's and having the option to do it makes people think it takes too much time
While in reality it's just a option for people that want the perfect echo and will spend hours getting that echo
Farming every single enemy in the map isn't part of you're daily grind and probably shouldn't be.
@@LUCAS420BLZ
It took me a month just to get a correct main stat for my artifact and Relics in both GI and HSR. 3 days of laying waste I already have 3 units built in Wuwa. 😂@@Kin_shek
Didn't watch the full video but 13:12 was such a bad take. In ww, you can definitely farm echoes hoyoverse-style. It's called "Tacet Field" for the uninitiated. On top of that, ww allows you to farm more as you please. 7 hours for a crit rate echo is straight BS, even if he want to exaggerate, and just sounds like a biased take. If you get 1 crit rate echo in 7 hours, what you need is an exorcism for whatever is on your shoulder instead.
Cost 4s are so damn easy to farm, guaranteed echo drop for every non-drop. Get the cost 4 boss echo you need, go to other easy boss (can place TP points btw!) while boss is respawning, defeat the other boss. 80% of the time the boss won't drop another echo and when you return and the boss you need respawns, you will now have guarantee on the next CORRECT echo drop. If its weekly bosses, there isn't even respawn timer, start on 2 difficulty levels lower and spam, can prob get an average of maybe 1 echo every minute. Imagine hoyoverse allows you to spam kill bosses for artifacts/relics/discs. (Yes, I get it hyv equipments themselves can be used as upgrade materials, but the point is you can farm for correct set + main stat without being stamina-gated, guaranteed 1 crit substat at low cost too.)
And that, is ADDITIONAL echo opportunity on top of stamina/dailies (yes, dailies give echoes too, bp gives echoes, events gives echoes, certain events even gives selectable main stat echoes). Nobody is forcing you to do it. Don't like it? Just do Tacet Fields stamina-style just as you like it.
14:55 ISTG people be expecting godly pieces to just fall from the sky onto their laps, even I don't have a single piece with all 5 useful substats including double crit.
13:16 "When I roll it, it won't be there" (All flat stats part) also applies to ALL other games with similar equipment system. At least in ww you are not stamina-gated for the correct set + main stat. Imagine spending 1 day of stamina in "other games" and you get either wrong set, wrong slot piece, wrong main stat, wrong substat, and when you finally get a correct piece, then repeat what was said 13:16.
17:22 That's same for all games with similar system too. But at least in ww you get ADDITIONAL echoes for time you put in. That's why people always say AT LOWER USER LEVELS, farm upgrade materials to raise character/skill levels, and not farm artifact/relics, because it is a GUARANTEED UPGRADE. Spending stamina on equipment is not a guaranteed upgrade, sometimes improving only by a small margin.
If that's what he meant by "Diminishing returns", then the argument is straight up INVALID, because hoyoverse games do not allow you to get equipment once your spend your stamina on character upgrade materials. You can play ww and consume stamina just as you do for hoyoverse games, but you are given an opportunity to get equipment (echoes in this case) with time. You can do it, or choose not to do it and do it your favourite hoyoverse stamina-only style, nobody forcing you to farm for 7 hours. Either way, it is simply an ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY, greater than what hoyoverse can ever hope to give their players.
Dude straight up does not appreciate additional opportunities. Can't say anything else about this.
I currently play HSR/WW/ZZZ, and all 3 games are stupidly boring in endgame. But calling some nice features and opportunities an issue is straight up a "you problem". But I can see ww being deadge right from 1.1 release day. I hate exploration-only content, because I came from genshin, which already have 4 years of exploration-only content. 40+ days for the patch which adds only a single mountain is definitely a no for me. Illusive realm was nice (HSR's Gold & Gears still the best update to me though) but still its like a 1-2 hour content to clear all stages.
Hope NTE is going to go well, but if they follow ToF's decisions (powercreep/overpriced cosmetics/overpriced "premium" mounts & vehicles etc), it's probably gonna flop again. At least NTE seems more towards single-player and I hope it won't have the same strategy.
The game is not dead when in transition period and patch like any game gonna have the same.
Its just a gacha game things don t need to go deeper and do a Iyo take on that.
"Dude straight up does not appreciate additional opportunities."
Pearls before swine really. I don't think he even comprehends OPTIONS even if it punches him in the face, considering he praises ZZZ for the lack of it
I feel like Iyo's problem is he wants to dribble, dunk and shoot 3 pointers, but bruh is actually in a volleyball game.
Tectone only gone on hiatus for a few days and we already got the 2.0 version my god.
Edit: to be fair on the last point tho blindfolded combo isnt mashing, sure its show that zzz isnt that hard but when you have to use ellen dash to hold that already stop the mashing allegation.
"A great content creator, a great friend, we are completely neutral." My brother in Christ what are you even saying?
this dude sound like a game journalist who thinks like he is the center of the world.
like how they complained about sekiro being too hard and should have an easy mode so journalists can review em.
if you dont have the time for it. then its not for you. everyone else is doing fine with it.
it’s funny bc out of all gacha cc’s he’s literally one of the most irrelevant. And it’s not like he makes meta guides either like some other small ccs. So in both popularity and in guides he’s irrelevant
I've only been doing an hour or two of this game for the past month and I just recently cleared the main quest and is at UL 48 now. I just clear my waveplates everyday and enjoying the game as is. And his reasoning that he is a content creator? Man you can make content without putting all your time in it. Seriously this guy is just shitting.
@@reyvaren he play since day 1 and was only UL 44 before deleting the game mid 1.1.
@@theolailheugue9402 bruh, I started 20 days ago and just reach UL 40 a day ago. Mind you I was playing like 3-4 hour a day for the first few days and just spend at minimum an hour on the rest for dailies and farm. WTF was he doing with the rest of his time?
@@auroracrest4542 its the question...
I just listened to his call with Pokke today. Bro just deflected the wrong term usage on Sanhua instead of admitting he didn't use it properly on Jiyan. Just because Sanhua has a hold move, doesn't mean he used it properly on Jiyan's skill. He just refuses to own up to it and just hears what he wants to hear. At the end of the day, he learned nothing.
AINT NO WAY LITTLE BLUD CHANGED THE VIDEO TO MEMBERS ONLY!
Bruh 😂😂😂😂
lmao
Why can't he see that it's not a community issue... He's just hated in the community because he's so incredibly argumentative and can't be wrong.
When people argue with him on the interwebz they are toxic and he's not...
i'm ul 58 at this moment right now in wuwa i cleared all holo 6 and 100% a month ago with 70 and lvl 80 units and all of them are r0 with mid echoes
"give me more elden ring bosses?- bruh iyo hasnt even beat holo 5 this is giving me brain dead take i usually stay quiet and enjoy the game but wow
also i dont get iyo's point about the game doesnt respect your time unless u want to min max which is not optional because min maxing in this game is useless if u have love for combat and challenges for bosses like hologram
i literally just log in for 6-8 min to clear dailies i also play zzz and currently inter knot 40 too and bruh wuwa has alot more combat mechanics compare to zzz's space bar parries and dodge
and juggling? wtf iyo saying. the juggle in wuwa is much better than zzz coming from a competitive gamer
one comment on an Iyo guide vid was like "why arent u demonstrating the tech in the video" and this man Iyo says something like 'why is that my responsibility to show you, go do it yourself'. what the fuck lol
really LMFAOOOOOO that's hilarious
Cause its a DPS Loss
Simply cause that gonna prove him wrong. And the all mighty fighting game player full of hidden tech and knowedge about all the fighting games and gachas can t be wrong.
Iyo is missing a clown outfit in his videos
Iyo: I want the boss be challenging
Also Iyo: Wuwa boss is too punishing 😢😢😢
Bro is living in his fantasy
You’d think with all his “hidden tech” that he would have no problem with bosses 😂
It's crazy how he present himself as an fighting game player who knows all this hidden tech etc. and don't even have a single diff6 holo clear, even me who only play 3-4 hours every weekend and open the game for 5-10mins just to do daily everyday have a solo sanhua clear in all diff 6 holo except mephis, well I did solo on diff5 and still trying 😢 to beat diff6
@@tomoe3785 similar to his HSR stuff where he talks about game changing metas and was crying about losing the HSR tournament
DID SOMEBODY SAY *PUNISHING*
@@takebacktheholyland9306 LIKE PUNISHING GRAY RAVEN OMG
Iyo dropping WuWa for ZZZ makes me confident in my choice to drop ZZZ for WuWa.
Based
What's choice? Brainless bot pretends that he has ever played ZZZ and not just repeats after brainless kuroshills
@@broccoli5176 sounds exactly like hoyoshill brainless bot
@broccoli5176 dang bro I was gonna ignore you the first time I saw one of your comments but know I can see your a tribalistic gacha game player, so all I gotta say go touch some grass and just play both games instead of one lmao
@@Aboood-Fun lil brocoli is still 12
Even a veteran FGC CC + player like maximilian dood wont make any claim like this iyo dude. Ewwwww
Max has common sense
Max got sponsored to play ZZZ and it's funny because he obviously didn't like what he saw
IYAP CHANGED THE VID TO MEMBERS ONLY 😂 THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE POKKE AND FOB REACTION 😆
Yo can you post the link to fobs reaction. I can't find it
@@MCrknight777
ua-cam.com/video/RZGRNh9JrQ8/v-deo.htmlsi=FcgDGBNMKS1Hi7-_
BRUH IYAP THINKS THE COMMUNITY HATE HIM FOR HIS OPINION "JUGGLING IS USELESS IN WUWA" LMAOOOO
ua-cam.com/video/RZGRNh9JrQ8/v-deo.htmlsi=FcgDGBNMKS1Hi7-_ @@MCrknight777
@@S.W-PILGRIM he set his vid to members only so you know he couldn't take the heat of his L takes.
bro made his video members only now after getting the heat actual L
28:55 doesn't this go both ways why demonize one side alone
I've constantly see people mention hoyo when it has nothing to do with them for any upcoming gacha game
Wanna know why, they grew out of the Stockholm
Exactly