What Caused Division in Cyprus? | The Cypriot Partition Explained
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2023
- What caused the once-peaceful island of Cyprus to split in two?
The answer lies in the inner workings of the complicated relationship between Cyprus' two main communities: the Greek and Turkish Cypriots.
Both have made the island their home since long before the modern day but when the age of European imperialism came to an end, they each had very different ideas for what Cyprus should become. The Greeks advocated for Enosis-union with Greece-while the Turks sought Taksim-division of the island between Greece and Turkey-but most members of each community certainly would've preferred the situation to be resolved peacefully. What they got was two decades of civil and political strife culminating in invasion and forced partition.
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An important detail: even before the British arrival in 1878, despite the population living together, religious, education and communal institutions were divided
How about making a cypriot identity that is a combination of greek and turkish and later on maybe it can even unite both languages (like how the romanian language has romance language grammar but slavic language vocabolary it might end up with greek grammar but turkish vocabolary)
@@GwainSagaFanChannel An artificially constructed ethnic identity. That would be novel
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Yugoslavia tried the same thing. It didn't turn out that well.
@@GwainSagaFanChannel we already were talkin both languages ! atleast everybody does the mix
@@the64thcucumberI think it can like majority of nation state in the world except Europe maybe they are diverse but one country look at Africa India Indonesia Brazil USA and many More
one neat pick. Before the Michineans came to the island there were already native hunter-gatherers in the island. They didn't colonize, they assimilated the local population to the ancient Greek world much like central Asia Minor. Although there were migrations from Greece proper, in modern Cypriot DNA you can still trace the indigenous DNA from back then.
One of the best english-speaking videos about the issue in youtube
The most accurate and unbiased account on you tube I have ever come across. Well done.
No one with a brain can dispute this video
Thanks, that means a lot!
as a Cypriot I have to say you made this video perfectly to explain why we are here today
Just asking but you don't have to answer, do you see yourself more as Greek/Turkic or Cypriot?
@@ChancellorOfHistory I belong on a minority that sees itself more cypriot. Though I acknowledge my greek heritage and what it had offered to the island in terms of culture and traditions. I firmly believe that is time to move forward and embrace our own unique aspects of that culture amd not cling to the past
@@giorgosthoma849 My grandfather is turkish and my grandmother is greek cypriot and we never had conflicts at home, I dont understand we have our OWN flag and why also put Greece flag then ? this war is artificial and can never end if nationalism doesnt. Cyprus is independent , not Turkey not Greece and definintely not Englands property
@@ChancellorOfHistory He has a Greek name so he is a Greek Cypriot
Just out of interest , how do the people living on Cyprus feel about the British having bases there or the constant UN force being there?
great video! i have always wanted to learn more about the situation in cyprus
Glad it was helpful! To get A LOT more detail, I recommend the book on Cyprus I've linked in the description. It does a lot in only about a hundred pages.
great overview man
I appreciate it!
I'm Greek Cypriot. Despite the simplification, the details mentioned are correct. I don't think a solution will be found as both communities have drifted away too much and the economic and cultural disparity due to the North being embargoed and having mainland turks settling there will make it impossible as well as the "properties" issue. I also do not want the Turkish settlers on the island, I want the Turkish Cypriots that belong here. So, yes taksim was achieved and bravo Turkey because you know no one will oppose you. On the other hand us Greek Cypriots have done terrible things to the TC community in Cyprus. I didn't live through the war so my opinion can stem from naivete and almost a point of "reflection". I befriended Turkish Cypriots and have visited areass in the North and seeing so many churches abandoned and knowing those houses had Greek Cypriots in them filled me with this eerie void- since I had a cultural connection to the place but no Greek Cypriot lived there for decades. But yeah I rambled enough. Good video
kick them out of the island and kick turkey out of balkans
''On the other hand us Greek Cypriots have done terrible things to the TC community in Cyprus.'' It’s good to hear admitting that.
Yeah you have done even though that video isn’t mentioned about that. You persecuted the Cypriot Turks who was minority to scare away them off the island. But the reunion of the island is not impossible at all. It depends on a younger generation idea’s. We’ll see what will happen in the future.
you know, you could add the Bulgaria to the National Unification playlist!
It was, and now is again lol. Accidentally removed it while doing some reorganising.
How do you draw your maps?
In paint .net
@@LookBackHistory Thanks!
Thank you so much
as always a great video
hope this whole mediteranian series would have algeria as its next stoping point
France's occupation, annexation, and eventual forcing out of Algeria is on my 'ideas list,' but not promises that it'll happen particularly soon. Nevertheless, I'm glad you enjoyed and thanks for commenting!
@@LookBackHistory as long as I'am waiting for that video i would always be watching and even after it
So this situation is similar to Romania and "Republic of Moldova", where Romanians are 82% of the population, but Russia opposes the reunification! Because the 4% of the population (russians) world be "culturally discriminated" Let's recall that Republic of Moldova was invented by Stalin in 1940 out of an occupied chunk of Romania, so in a sense "Republic of Moldova" became a colony of USSRussia
The similarity is very striking. The former Empire (USSRussia) even kept troops in a chunk of Moldova (Transnistria), similar to how UK kept troops in Akrotiri
you meant how turkey still keeps troops in northern cyprus
@@GwainSagaFanChannel ok, that makes the comparison more apt, yes!
@@GwainSagaFanChannel and Transnistria is like Northrern Cyprus. Striking similarity. Including the colonization of Russians in Moldova and colonization of Turks in Cyprus
@@gigikontra7023 To be fair with you every time we said the majority rule that mean another war and ethic tension in this part. And not surprising this is just another Balkan part.
These land are never gonna have so call peace.
Very good and detailed video, congratulations!
Grivas was Harding's father
While you are counting the guaranteed issues in Zurich threaty, I believe you forgot mentioning people's "security".
Bro where are you from
UK and USA
4:06
By demographics, the gap should've been wider than even 8:2... (Not to mention that the Maronite and Armenian minorities whom were much much closer to the Greek population and its interests by any means.)
That was the view of Makarios in 1963. His amendments included stripping the Cypriot president and vice-president (elected by each community) of their veto powers and abandoning the 7:3 power sharing arrangment to more accurately reflect the island's demographics. The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand would argue that it was not unreasonable to bump their percentage a bit over the demographic figures so as to ensure their rights as a distinct minority were protected.
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Well yeah, but nobody claimed their rights, would get hurt (at least from what I saw in this video)
Many democracies protect the rights of much larger and much smaller minorities without those rights being in danger.
It is very reasonable that the Turkish Cypriots would have a veto on protecting their rights as a minority (and while at that, also for the rest of the minorities as well), but not on all of the smallest of interests that does not perfectly align with the Greek vast majority.
A plebiscite should've been held. if they want to either split, join Greece, or to create an independent state.
Not that I support any side, or something like that, I am just trying to understand.
The tyranny of the majority is unacceptable and the rights of the minority must always be protected by any means. But the minority shouldn't have so much more power than their actual influence on the country and bring it to a deadlock.
In both cases - that is not a democracy.
@@user-gr9fq9gt9wyeah that’s cool band all but greek cypriots wanted to join Greece and would you trust a foreign nationalist military junta to respect your rights as a minority
@@salimz1376
They wanted to join Greece way before and after the military hunta and Greece always have been way more democratic than Turkey and also Cyprus.
That's an excuse.
The UN classification of what happened is: invasion and occupation of part of the island as well as some ethnic cleansing and thousands of still missing Greek Cypriots which were probably just murdered after being taken as hostages
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You've been James? Who are you now?
Still James :)
@@LookBackHistory , Jerma..
Ottomans loaned Cyprus to British Island for some years but ww1 happened thus today's cyprus
the fears of the turkish community and the turkish government were increased due to the treatment the turks and muslims saw throughout the balkans after the ottomans left and the lands were given to the balkan states, around one million turks and muslims in total had to leave the balkans for anatolia, with how history had played out for the turks for the past hundred years and considering how the muslims in crete ended up, the turks simply could not trust that the same thing wouldnt happen if the island were to be given to greece or "majority greek rule" established, especially with the military junta in greece. their fears were pretty much confirmed after numerous massacres against the turks throughout the island, and the fear that if the protection and power of the turkish cypriots were to be curtailed the new government would just turn a blind eye to the violence. By the way, the second turkish invasion was carried out because the turks felt that the greeks were stalling for time and the turkish forces were left in a vulnerable position. Personally, i see taksim as the most logical solution to the issue, if theres no common nationality, and if they cant live together in peace, then just separate and make a state for both, meant to cooperate together on regional affairs and economic policy, allow free travel between the countries and allow people to resettle if they wish so, compensate everyone for the damages and harm caused, i see this is the best solution for both sides, as both have to acknowledge each other or else they will not be able to reach their full potential together and will be forced to continue the rest of history as chips on an international gambling ring. sort of like how pakistan and india were envisioned, even though we see pakistan and india as rivals today, originally they werent supposed to be enemies, it all started because of kashmir and radicalism, though the turks and greeks probably would not have the same issue pakistan and india had because theres no kashmir here and muslim jihadism/radicalism is pretty low.
Of course im saying this as a turk, but this does not invalidate my opinion as many other people would claim, in fact its just unfair to listen to only one side without acknowledging the viewpoint of the other. i understand the greeks view the island as "inherently greek land which has been greek for a millennia" but there are many instances around the world where you could apply this same kind of logic, and it would cause horrible human suffering and death. The turkic homeland, is currently mostly under russian rule, those lands were ours for a very long time too, but now we have unfortunately lost them, and theres nothing we can do about it, because it would only cause more problems for both sides, and thankfully, the stans have understood this and have decided to keep cordial relations with russia instead of claiming huge swats of land in a spring of nationalism. I mean, kazakhstan is majority turkic kazakh right? but what about the russians in the north? i think many people would condemn kazakhstan if it were to discriminate against its russian minorities, ethnic russians in kazakhstan only make up 16% of the total population after all, much less than the percentage of turks in cyprus.
Its always evil turk rape this evil turk kill that, but nobody even bats an eye when turks also get pillaged, raped, and killed, it always goes ignored or downplayed in most media produced and consumed by the west, this has been the case for most of history, from ottomans, to modern turkey, which is, in my opinion, one of the biggest causes of the division between the west and turkey, despite it being in nato and other western associations. im generally in favor of more cooperation with both the west but the east, but currently turkey has been drifting more towards the east because it does not have this problem of antagonization as much with the east as it does with the west, this western perception of turks as barbaric evil and uneducated peoples combined with the fact that muslims are also seen pretty much the same way really alienates the turkish public and turkey, one of the most crucial partners of the west. it does not have this problem of trying to prove itself to be worthy when its in the east, in that scenario the tables are pretty much turned. and of course another big factor why turkey is drifting east is because of erdogan and his islamism, islamism (and im not talking about the kind you hear on tv filled with jihadists, islamism is a very vague term and in turkish politics its not as violent) combined with the tendency of modern autocrats getting friendlier with the east, still, despite that, theres growing resentment against the west by the turkish public, and i think that both sides have to address these issues and come to terms with each other, for the sake of everyone. The west is important for turkey, but turkey is important to the west, too, even though most people forget that. The west and Turkey have been at odds for most of their history, but the west has been at odds with themselves for most of their history too, yet this did not stop them from finally coming to terms with each other, which is why i wholeheartedly believe that this issue can and will be solved if we all engage in constructive dialogue and understanding of each other.
Division is usually a decent idea but as stated the Turks made up less than 20% of the population
@@randommonkey4900 Not really 20% of the population, most were kicked out during british + greek rule. Since they both wanted a greek cyprus, not a turkish. Due to this, after the war, the turkish majority in turkish cyprus was restored. I hoped it would end in peace but this is a good ending too, the turks could go back to their homes in cyprus ( in the video it was mentioned that yeah, the greeks overwhelmed the turks in politics and led to turks being even more of a minority ) and greeks kept their cyprus, it is very clear that taksim, in the end, worked out. There is no such thing as turkish or greek cyprus. It is more like an autonomous state for both Greece and Turkey.
@@histo6651and do you have any reliable source to support your argument about Turks been a magority before 1878 ?
@@randommonkey4900 Yes, less than 20 percent because the British expelled them from their lands.
wasnt it a greek island, until many turkish settlers and still im assuming the demographics werea around the same, could u send me a good source on the british expelling the turks from cyprus tho?@@1614762
@10:10 that Green line was drawn 30 years before and not after the "occupation" of Turkey , Turkey also didnt "invade more land" they went untill the NATO and UNO drawn green line which was ment to split the communities decades before. Later the green line became the demilitarized buffer zone
No. The Green Line was drawn in 1963, only for Nicosia, the other Turkish Cypriots withdrew in enclaves split all over the island. And Turkey continued the military operations after the Greek dictatorship's fall because they wanted to conquer half of the island
Two questions:
-why didn't Greek Army land their own force on the island en masse and prevent the Turkish army for taking majority Greek territory in the North?
-why didn't NATO and US forced Turks to retreat and return the territories back to Cyprus Government as they were basically waging war on their allies thus making NATO weaker?
1: It couldn't 2: In fact Kissinger promoted the division of Cyprus, exactly because he believed that in this way the NATO control of Cyprus would be assured
Usa wanted the island divided for the reason V.Athanasiou said, Israel didn't like that the Greek junta favoured the arabs over the jews and the uk wanted to still own parts of cyprus (the bases), if the island united with greece then sooner or later those bases would be returned too.
Thank you for the answers, so the main reason why the island is divided even today is American and British Imperialism at play. To be fair, I am not surprised at all.
@@2SSSR2 yes with Jewish influence as well
NATO didn't want give up Turkey because its the only land (Norway didn't count because it's mountains) that they could invade USSR
The Turks also took the Maronite Catholic section of Cyprus which they are still fighting for.
Gosh only if the first operation was enough to restore peace...
And secondly the Greeks are not the original people of the Island at all. They just invaded and colonized the Cyprus. Hence, in legitmacy level, there is no difference between the Turkish presence in the Island and the Greek's presence in the Island.
I am a Greek Cypriot. I agree with your other comments about the mistreatment and killings of the Turkish Cypriots by the Greeks. I have even seen a video where Mikis Theodorakis, one of the most famous Greek composers, describes how Nikos Sampson would go at Turkish villages, cut the water supply, and shoot the Turkish Cypriots who left the village to get water.
ua-cam.com/video/n77G9r66A68/v-deo.html (7:20)
At a dinner, Sampson went to meet Mikis, and apparently, said to him
"Come see... we cut their water supply, we wait for them to go them to go to the local spring.. come and see how we kill them".
Mikis rejected the suggesiton horrified, and then Sampson took him to Omorfita to show him some locations where him commited murders of Turkish Cypriots.
Mikis went to Makarios to ask him how can this be happening. Makarios said
"Unfortunately, I can't do anything, because we are unarmed, and Sampson and his 500 men lot are our defence..."
Mikis told Makarios
"A common criminal? Don't you understand that this will backfire? Besides this is not right for Greeks to do". Makarios, according to Mikis coldly said "I understand, Mikis, but at the time of need, even god turns a blind eye" Obviously Makarios's indifference backfired and Sampson deposed him and tried to kill him.
Your statement I must disagree with. Greeks have been living on the island for 3500 thousand years. This is as early as the first modern civilisations. To claim that this grants the same legitimacy to the Turks who came so much later is wrong.
At the end of the day Legitimacy is now an empty word. I hope that more and more people north and south start to aknowledge the atrocities each side commited on the other. Only then popular opinion will be mature enough for a succesful reunification. I hope that by admitting our faults I can make you adopt this opinion. Regards
man just stated the creation of a greek state and then people wonder why the turks created their own......
In a 80% to 20% split you can either leave or recognize you don't have the right to make it your own
And that greek state was in Greece they could've had one in Turkey
greeks were also less than %20 percent of Turkey's population, and yet they got freedom? what do you say on that? @@schoolaccount704
@@emiryalcn8922 the difference here my little Mongolian friend is that the nowdays Greek lands were culturally Greek thousands of years before the first Mongolian stepped foot in Anatolia, so was Cyprus. Be glad your illegaly occupied country still stands as a whole
hahahahaha. my little mongolian friend? is that how you placate yourself? I'm not mongolian, Im Turkish my dear :) I know its hard to accept for you, but it is what it is... Cyprus was taken over in 1500s and Turks are living there for almost 500 years already. I can't stand that greeks are acting like they were the first humans stepping on earth. so what ? what makes you think that no one lived over there before you? they were also talking like they are the founders of Anatolia for 3 thousand years. then new archelogy discoveres occured in GÖBEKLİTEPE which is 9000 years old.. And they have nothing to do with greeks at all.. so, stop pretending like you are the owner of anything on earth. and, dont cry :)@@obamadripp7177
Even during the Ottoman era the Greeks comprised the vast majority of Cyprus' population. Muslims never made up more than 30% of the overall population and in the largest part they weren't even Turkic but native Greek-speakers whose ancestors had converted to Islam. In the 1960's the population was 85% Greeks and 15% "Turks". These are all very well documented. It's actually quite easy to understand why the Greek-Cypriots will never accept equal political representation and land rights with the Turkish-Cypriots. Would any Turk accept to have equal representation and land rights with a minority group in Turkey, let's say the Kurds who comprise around 20% of the overall population? Didn't think so...
Is there anybody here who would accept to have equal representation with a minority group in his own land? Don't think so...
Are you one of the Hellenized Eteocypriots or Minoans Vangelis🤣
If you aren’t one of them, why you are larping for Hellenized Cypriots whose language is not even mutually intelligible for you😹
Your ancestors were almost always under the rule of foreign peoples what a joke history you have👶🏻
Spot on
What the fuck are you talking about? Turks and Kurds have been represented equally in parliament since the establishment of the republic. Even though in Ottoman times. We have had prime ministers and presidents of Kurdish origin. There were/are hundreds of parlamenterians of Kurdish origin. This was never different as you thought. The process of estranged between Turks and Kurds started when they formed a terrorist organization and started killing innocent people in public and making turmoils for the sake of independence. The Greeks had only one aim: to destroy or expel the Turks from the island and then create a fully Greek province. If we had a similar aim on the island or in our other territories, we would have done it 500 times in 500 years under Ottoman times.
The ratio of Muslims to Christians fluctuated throughout the period of Ottoman domination. In 1777-78, 47,000 Muslims constituted a majority over the island's 37,000 Christians.[77] By 1872, the population of the island had risen to 144,000, comprising 44,000 Muslims and 100,000 Christians.[78] The Muslim population included numerous crypto-Christians,[79] including the Linobambaki, a crypto-Catholic community that arose due to religious persecution of the Catholic community by the Ottoman authorities;[79][80] this community would assimilate into the Turkish Cypriot community during British rule.[81] wikipedia
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its not the "greek speaking" south, its the ethnic greek.
the population of cyprus consisted of islamized greek and christian greek before the invasion and now the islamic cypriots became a minority because of the illegal colonization of the occupied region.
the north has been ethnically cleansed by the occupation forces of turkey and colonised by foreign ethnic turks from mainland which consists of the same warcrimes the israelis do in palestine.
The video was made from a Greek perspective. Or the Greek who prepared the video. We can understand that all the people who like it are Greeks. There is no mention of the massacres committed by the Greeks against the Turks on the island before 1974. They killed little children in the bathtub. How many of our people did they kill?
Most of your ppl are Greeks converts to islam who took on a turkish identity.
He would also mention the Istanbul pogroms, which occured coincidentally with Cyprus' independence and forced most ethnic Greeks who lived in the city to move to Greece, leaving less than 1000 Greeks living in the city today. He would also mention the brutal death of Tasos Isaac by the ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves and Solomos Solomou. If those acts were brutal for these individuals, imagine how brutal the Turks were against the other common Greek Cypriots living in the island.
@@angelb.823
There's no point arguing. The Greeks lost, period. The fate of the island was sealed by the Brits, who seized the island from the Ottomans and promised to return it. The Greek Cypriots accepted independence under the conditions that the Turkish Cypriots, most of them greek converts to islam, have equal rights, as the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist. The situation became unstable and Greece attempted a forced annexation after a coup. A few weeks ago, 120 000 Armenians fled Azerbaijan and the world only cares about the poor Palestinians but have forgotten the hideous acts of Hamas and continuous attacks of Hezbollah. This is islam and the western world let's it be.
@@angelb.823 Are you comparing innocent little children, aged 4-5, who were killed in the bathtub at home, with racists who tried to take down the Turkish flag? That's your mentality. We break the hands that reach for our flag. You never understood this. We will teach you every time. Solomou and Tasos also learned about this.
@@caglar3957 While the bath tub, if ever occurred, was a heinous act, the other I mentioned reached an ethnic cleansing/genocidal level. The Istanbul pogrom was instigated by Turkish authorities and violated the Treaty of Lausanne. Now, little of Greek heritage remains on the city. As for the two people I mentioned, they were trying to force away the Turkish troops and allow the return of Greek Cypriot into their homes, which have been taken by Turkish settlers, not even Turkish Cypriots. Your mentality is war, conquest, and resettlement, equal to the Russian mindset, while pretending to be civil. That's worse mentality because it legitimizes the ethnic cleansing on lands that had been Greek-speaking and Armenian-speaking from Antiquity. In fact, it proves the point that the next Mongolian army who will invade and resettle Europe and Asia would deal with the same denial narrative their predecessors in Asia Minor committed. You tell me about the bathtub incident incident, should I ask if Turks did similar acts? There is a statue of Topal Osman, a Turk who is known as the hyena of Pontus. He killed Armenian and Greek Armenian men, women, and children. Where's the Greek mentality of massacring children in that example?
Cypriot Greek has often been referred to as a dialect of Greek (Contossopoulos, 2000); a variety that is linguistically proximal to Standard Modern Greek (Grohmann and Kambanaros, 2016 Grohmann et al. 2016), which is the official language in the environment our participants acquire language. Although the official language in education and other formal settings is indeed Standard Modern Greek, research has shown the boundaries between the two varieties, Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek, and their distribution across different registers is not straightforward (Grohmann and Leivada, 2012, Tsiplakou et al. 2016). At times mixing is attested without code-switching being in place, while no official characterization has been provided for any of these terms in this specific context. The question arising in this context is whether the attested variants emerging in mixed speech repertoires are functionally equivalent for an individual speaker.
The concept of "competing grammars goes back to Krich 11989, 1991), who proposed that speakers project multiple grammars to deal with ambiguous input This concept has been explicitly connected to the relation between Standard and Cypriot Greek (Papadopo et al. 2014; plaka 2014; Grohman et al 2017)
The two varieties have differences in all levels of linguistic analysis and often monolingual speakers of Standard Modern Greek judge Cypriot Greek as unintelligible. At the same time, Greek Cypriot speakers do not always provide reliable judgments of their own speech since these are often clouded by sociolinguistic attitudes toward using the non-standard variety. Cypriot Greek lacks official codification and its status as a different language/variety is often denied by Greek Cypriots who may downplay the differences between Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek and describe the latter as just an accent (Arvaniti, 2010). As the discussion of the different variants will make clear in the next section, the two varieties have differences across levels of linguistic analysis and these differences vastly exceed the sphere of phonetics or phonology.
All speakers of Cypriot Greek have exposure to Standard Modern Greek through education and other mediums and in this way, they are competent to different degrees in both varieties. We employ the term 'bilectal' (Rowe and Grohmann, 2013, 2014) to refer to the participants of this study, although it is not entirely clear that the varieties they are exposed to are Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek or that they are only two varieties, under the assumption that a continuum is in place. For instance, the term 'Cypriot Standard Greek' (Arvaniti, 2010) has been proposed to refer to an emerging variety that may count as the standard in the context of Cyprus. This would be a sociolinguistically 'high' variety (Ferguson, 1959) that is used in formal settings, although its degree of proximity with Standard Modern Greek is difficult to determine with precision because great fluidity is attested across different settings and geographical areas. At the school environment, for example, one notices the existence of three different varieties: Cypriot Greek, as the home variety that is used when students interact with each other, Standard Modern Greek, as the language of the teaching material, and another standard-like variety that incorporates elements from both varieties, and is present in the repertoire of both the students and the instructors (Sophocleous and Wilks. 2010; Hadjioannou et al., 2011; Leivada et al.. 2017).
Your pronounciation in these videos is atrocious. But the videos are great.
I honestly think Enosis would be a good idea right now as the Turks were only sent their to assimilate the original Greek population of Cyprus as the Turks have with most of Anatolia. But this video definitely did help to shed some light on the situation for me.
At this point, the Greek Cypriots are largely not for Enosis; they've become accustomed to having their independence. And it makes sense. Why would they choose to cease to be an independent state to become an outlying province of Greece?
@@LookBackHistory oh I didn't know they were against it now if they want Enosis I feel like they should have it but if the people of Cyprus want to be independent they should be. Why should a foreign country overrule what the native inhabitants of a country want?
@@Yes-qj4biA very good point. If you're interested in learning more about the post-1983 situation in Cyprus (including how each of the communities think the problem might be resolved) I highly reccommend the book I linked in the description. The first 2/3rds of it I used to research this video and the rest goes into more modern stuff.
The author, Prof. James Ker-Lindsay also has a channel where he talks about stuff like this.
@@LookBackHistory sure I'll check it out thanks man and God bless :)
@@LookBackHistory for matters of security and protection from foreign invasion.
As it is obvious ,Cyprus not being invaded in this part of the world is relying heavily on the good will of its vastly superior neighbours.
By the way seeing such an anti-Enosis attitude by the Greeks of Cyprus has another repercussion to the mainland Greeks. A large proportion are no longer eager to fight and die for the freedom and well being of their cypriot breathren.
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Greek are the origins!
Το νησί 🏝️ είναι ελληνικό απ'την
Αρχαιότητα
Hmmm as far as i can understand from this video Turkish side seems right. But why in our school they tell us that they massacred Greek cypriots for no reason?
How?
How is the Turkish side in the right? They invaded and illegally occupied half of the island for the sake of imperialism. And ontop of that they even forced out the Greeks of their houses from the North.
Because they are biased
Because of Greek propaganda
Because the Turks were the aggressors, there wasn't any sight of EOKA harassing Turkish members, Turks were a minority in every part of Cyprus either way, it would only make sense for the Greeks to want to unite with it, but the barbaric Turks wanted to force themselves into the island.
International law states that invading a country by force and continue to occupy it by military force is a war crime. As many other war crimes committed in the island during the invasion ( rapes, forced enpregnancies, civilian deaths, desecration of churges and Christian graves...etc).
For some reason international law do not care about muslim deaths so muslims need to keep themselves safe rather than trusting bullshit western laws. If Turkey would'nt had invaded Cyprus, turks there would not be there and you would not be whiyning about international law because they were muslims anyway.
Bruh, someone didnt watch the video. The law states the Turks had the right to invade cyprus, of course keeping some of cyprus was not very legal, but from the turkish perpective, they were getting trapped, so it had to be done. And if we are talking about war crimes.... uhh? Maybe an apology for İzmir? And it wasnt military occupation, its a country with its own indipendence. So what i am saying is, as history repeats itself, Greeks wanted more than they could eat, so it ended up puking most of it out.
@@histo6651yea for the first invasion. He is talking about the second that turks had no reason to do since the leader of the greek side was outside the island trying to negotiate peace. Thats the part you missed. He isn't speaking about the first turkey jad the law on it's side. He speaks about the second that was a war crime. Since the island was in peace at that time. Use your brain
@@histo6651 Should really Greeks apologies to Turkey because Turks invaded and burnt the second biggest Greek city?
Its clear that the "protection" to that 18% Turks of the island is an excuse for their invasion, if they wanted to protect them they would occupy 18% of the island or at least not clearly Greek areas. Turks occupied 33% of the island while they made up only 18 of it. They once again occupied clearly Greek soil. I don't support the way turks were behaved in the island by Greeks, but Greeks also suffered and in total way more. Something similar happened to Asia minor.
@@xsfsdsdhen1739 What happened, that is, 10% of the British of the island.
One day Afrodite Attilla and Ayşe went holiday to Cyprus.
Cultural disparity.
failed title. its like asking why did Ukraine split!
its an illigal occupation by a barbaric army, why you so afraid to say what it is?? Its why is Cyprus 1\3 under occupation
Three cheers to the Turkish military for preventing the extermination of the Turkish Cypriots at the hands of the Greek majority.
The Greek Cypriot army was preoccupied with dealing with a Greek Cypriot paramilitary group, while Turkish Cypriots were merely observing from a distance and showed no interest in getting involved. Turkey used this as a pretext for ethnic cleansing, which had nothing to do with the protection of the Turkish Cypriots. In fact, Turkey's invasion in July halted the Greeks on the island from fighting amongst themselves, transforming the conflict from a Greek civil war into a bicommunal chaos marked by street gang killings between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. Remind me again, how many coups occurred in Turkey in the last century? Would any of these coups justify a foreign invasion for the protection of minorities in Turkey
pray for my fellow greek cypriots that they get their land back from the turk arab occupiers
hahahahahahahaha
@@emiryalcn8922 keep laughing bro I also laugh knowing that I have more money in my pocket rn than the average wage in turkey with their failing lira :)
how do you mix arabs with turks?
@@joshuafrimpong244 the “Turks” of turkey only recently started identifying as Turkic. In reality they are mongolo-arabs with a huge presence of Greek and Caucasian blood
The answer is: Turkey
Based Turkiye
@@papazataklaattiranimam Ah, you're the spam account who writes the same words in every relevant video.
@@papazataklaattiranimamTürkiye*
as a dutch I am glad our turkish brethern also gotten tired of people calling their country after a bird like how us dutch were called by anglos after a province
It was Greece who did the coup and forced the issue
Man, the more you learn about the Turk the more despise him.
For me it is the otherway round, I Respect turkey for doing this,
You watched all of the video and you can only blame the turks? This guy explained everything in a BALANCED manner. It was clear both sides had faults. Greeks crushed turks in politics and didnt let turks live normally, while also supporting enosis. And turks just did something similar ( kicking out greeks, creating an indipendent state against the treaty ), but lets not forget, the greeks broke the treaty multiple times with 0 intervention from the turks, so can you REALLY blame turks for breaking it ONCE? I may seem like i support turkey, but i just didnt like your comment depicting turks as invaders and imperialists while not commenting on the greeks at all.
@@histo6651
The greeks aren't attempting to exterminate three ethnic groups at the moment. Could be more, but the Turk is going after the Assyrian, the Armenian, and the Kurd. Throughout history their depravity has few equals.
This is a very one sided video in favour of the Greeks, which is a shame for this channel and I believe you did this specifically on purpose. Because the 2 most important events that changed the destiny of the Island and created the Cyprus tragedy that we have today (what happened in 1963 and in 1974 by the Greeks) just were almost skipped. I think you skipped those purposely, because there is no way to justify what Greeks did at those 2 events, so you just thought lets skip those.
Let me tell the vievers what happened in 1963 and 1974. After 1960, there was an Independent Cyprus and in this country Greek part had much more power on the Island compared to Turkish part (considering they have more people on the island). In regards to that, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots had no problem with that and they had no intention at all to "Taksim" or whatever. But Greek parts' greedy made them not to satisfy even all these advantages. And at 1963, they just said "okay we dont want follow the constituion that we signed 3 years ago and we will not give any veto power to Turks" and started attacking them violently. So they clearly destroyed the treaty of independence that made the country of Cyprus. And after very bloody years for Turks that They had to live in enclaves in the Island, Greeks didnt give up their greedy, and at 1974, some Greeks in Cypriots and Greece literally invaded the Island and made them a part of Greece practically. so After 20 years of misery and literal trial for unification of the İsland with Greece, Turkey had to intervene.
so they HAD to intervene by saving the Turks ? Then why they increased territory? Why they had to get peoples assets?
@@billyblioumis It was taken to keep his hand strong on the table. The Greek side does not want to agree. Because the actual situation is in their favour. Normally it would be given at the table, but the greedy rum wants all of the island, it's not acceptable
Started wrong Cyprus is not Greek
all cypriot turks are converts. cypriot turks don't have turkic ancestry.
Your words meaningless and also i feeling racism. If you talking turkish and feel like a turk, yu are a turk.Thats simple. Culture and langauge is important for us. We were nomadic in old times .We create some big multicultural empires. So genetics is never so important things for us and you hava no right to tell a people which nationality he/she belong.
then syrian refugees, pakistanis and afghans can be turk too@@yavuz2638
@@yavuz2638what about religion?
The nation of Turkey, played dirty games against my country Cyprus since 1958, through our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots,
A minority of 18% ,that been found with rights, over rights actually, as about their participation in the new states rulings and functions , rights like they were 30%-40% . With the establishment of our common state. The Republic of Cyprus, back at early 60s, YET, they blew them up, following instructions from Turkey.
They actually took the arms against their own state
For proofs PLEASE search about..
" Rauf Denktash shocking confession "..!
" Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden ".!
" A Turkish Cypriot confession ".!
1974 , was a SET UP war against us Cypriots to be lost .
Of whatever they manage to do , the Turkish Cypriots , from 1963-67 ,during their arm troubles they was created to our common state . They was trying to show that Greeks and Turks could not live together with n Harmony . Actually ,they was suffering by their self's , by an isolation in ghettos , with negative results .
We had then , from 1971-74 , Greece , ( it was under a military junta )...playing dirty against our loyal government of that time .With the re establishment of EOKA B , playing with the Greek Cypriots expectations , found fanatics/ Criminals that they took again the arms against our state .And finally with the coup they organised and done , the local army , who was controlled by the Athens junta and those criminals..they gives Turkey the chance for the invasion only five days later .
Even IF,
They all , ( the Greeks braves , Traitors ) ..had all the informations about Turkey's preparations for the invasion right from the next day ,after that coup ..
... They knew that the Turkey's invasion fleet was leaving the Turkey's coasts .
...... They knew that the Turkey's invasion fleet was outside Kyrenias coasts ...
They NEVER take a single alert , a single measure .
They NEVER even try to develop the islands defence plans...
Athens ,juntas headquarter , ..the locals ,Cypriots , army headquarter , and the ELDYKs one ..they had ALL of the informations , ..People in uniforms knew what it was going to happen , and they ignored everything .
They just pull down our pants , for the Turks to come and ..." DO ".us .!
NEVER , so few ,created so much evil to so many .!...
For proofs ,PLEASE search about..
" Alexandros Simaioforidis ".!
You can see Turkey did what they had to do
ζήτω η ελληνική κύπρος ζήτω η ένωση ζήτω η ΕΟΚΑ
Long live the partition. Long live TMT
I think you should mention the massacres commited by the Greeks "a bit more". Like Bloody Christmas etc. That way it could be seen through a more realistic lens. Because, for the Turks, it was not just about political power move or land-grabbing/empire-building rather surviving as a community in a place where they considered home. I see you are trying to be "neutral" and "unbiased", however I doubt - speaking generally not just about you- anyone would try to do such a thing if it were the otherwise, if the ones who massacred were Turkish, i mean. Almost no one would ever dare to be "neutral" and "unbiased" when talking about the Jews and the Germans, the Koreans/Chinese and the Japanese or the Ukrains/Poles and the Russians and that's the right thing. I wish that were the case for the millions of Turks massacred in the Balkans, Levant and Anatolia by the Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Arabs during the 19th and 20th centuries.
From Christmas 1963 until 1967, 364 Turkish Cypriots and 174 Greek Cypriots were killed, (Pierre Oberling, The road to Bellapais: the Turkish Cypriot exodus to northern Cyprus. 1982. p. 120). In 1960 census, 104,333 Turkish Cypriots were counted, which means that the victims were less than 0.5% of the Turkish Cypriot community. Numbers that hardly describe massacres
@@VladTevez Yeah maybe "just" a couple hundred Turks got killed (just the killed ones and between 1963-64, not 67), but also a quarter of Turkish population were subject to forced migration to the Turkish enclaves and deprived of supplies and perished. There were also hundreds of ransacked Turkish villages. I just used the language used by "Turkophobics". Otherwise I agree with your statement, not every single killing should be counted as massacre. That degrades the meaning and "impactfulness" of the word. However, we can safely assume that it could be considered at even that time by the contemporaries as a massacre what happened during the initial first 12 days - 136 of 374 Turks were killed during those 12 days - . Like Massacre of Omorphita. If I were to follow the Armenian/Assyrian/Greek example, I would even dare to say it was a genocide, you know; forced migration, mass killings, try to eradication of Turkish identity in Cyprus. Pretty much same stuff.
@@ahmeterdembayram3348 Yes, it was forced, by TMT and Ozel Harp Dairesi. The separation on the ground was first expressed in Nihat Erim's memorandum to Menderes in 1956, it continued by TMT, which forbidden the Turkish Cypriots to have any conducts with the Greek Cypriots, it continued after independence, when the Turkish Cypriots barricated themselves in their minicipalities, refusing entrance to public servants if they were G/Cs, when they vetoed the creation of the common army because they wanted segregated units and was finalized in 1963, when the Turkish Cypriot plan that was found in Fazil Plumer's (Minister of Agriculture) safe dictated that the Turkish Cypriots would be segregated in enclaves. 1964 UN report clearly stated that it was TMT that didn't let Turkish Cypriots to leave the enclaves
@V. Athanasiou Could you please link any of the mentioned documents? I could not find anything, and if you excuse me, I find it unbelievable, indeed. They had a desire to segregate, but no community harms or tries to harm themselves that much. I don't think Turkish leadership banned communication and segregated the communities, they didn't yield that much power. Turkish communities were under siege all over the island. In that case, I would consider that the responsibility lies mostly not on the ones who just wanted segregation, but on the ones who m̶a̶s̶s̶a̶c̶r̶e̶d̶ killed the people indiscriminately, ransacked the villages and sieged the rest. Actually, the reason why Turks wanted Taksim was exactly what the Greeks would do. They were afraid that it would play out exactly like in Crete, and they were right, if they didn't resist and Turkey didn't come help twice - it was lawful both times -, now we won't be speaking Turkish Cypriots just like we don't talk about Turkish Cretans.
@@ahmeterdembayram3348 Fourth attempt, I hope it will pass: Indicative sources are: Nihat Erim's book "Bildiğim ve gördüğüm ölçüler içinde Kıbrıs", Fazıl Küçük's booklet published in english in October 1957 "Cyprus issue, a permanent solution". Interview of late general Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu in haberturk "Kıbrıs’ta cami bile yaktık", youtube video titled "Denktash admits Turks initiated Cyprus intercommunal violence" (interview of Rauf Denktash in British tv documentary), Report by the Secretary-General on the UN Operation in Cyprus S6426, p. 271-272, Report by the Secretary-General on the UN Operation in Cyprus (for the period 26 April to 8 May 1964) - S5764, p. 35, Report by the Secretary-General on the UN Operation in Cyprus (for the period 10 September to 12 December 1964) - S6102 p. 96, US Daily Report, Foreign Radio Broadcasts, 101, 25 May 1964. About the plan of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, written by Küçük and Denktash in 1960 and September 1963: Legal aspects of the Cyprus problem, Frank Hoffmeister, Chapter II. The Breakdown of The bi-communal Republic. The Republic of Cyprus, A Study in International Law, Chapter II Turkish Document of 1963. For the full text you can google "fazil plumer safe" or "fazil plumer safety box". It was published in 1964 by the government of Cyprus and was never denied or refuted by any Turkish Cypriot leader. I found it in Stella Soulioti's "Fettered independence : Cyprus, 1878-1964", Minessota, 2006. And I quote: "7. When the struggle begins, the Turkish Community, interspersed throughout the island, will forcibly concentrate in an area and will be compelled to defend it. The selection of the area will depend on the strategic plan which will be prepared by experts. Before the struggle starts it will be necessary to prepare detailed plans to increase the (military) mobility of the Turkish Community and concerning the equipment, stocks and the shipment of supplies and reinforcements from the motherland." Also search for turkish cypriot journalists Ayhan Hikmet and Ahmet Muzaffer Gürkan, along with trade unionist Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu
Turks. Next video.
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Greek Cypriots are not Greek by blood they are Greek Orthodox , all Cristian’s became Greek
Turkey's violent, imperialist war against Cyprus was a tragedy. A minority of 20% now has almost half of the territory with Greek Cypriots forced out of their homes. Any sympathy I would have for the Turkish Cypriots is lost.
Turkey used its guarantor rights in order to save Turkish Cypriots from ethnic cleansing. Otherwise there wouldnt be any TC left for you to not to pity
How can turkey can be imperialistic? If you want to see imperialists just look at who have aircraft carriers. They are thr ultimate sign of imperialism because having planes over your own land and neigbours is not enough.
The population of Turks is not 20 percent, it is close to 45 percent. When the island was taken over by the British, Turkish Cypriots were expelled from the island.
@@1614762 First, back when the invasion happened, they WERE about 20% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus. This is what I was referring to. It's ridiculous for them to own half the island. Second, if you are talking about the modern day, which I wasn't, the number seems to be 31% based on demographic data. Total population of the island of cyprus: 1,244,188 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus. Total population of just Northern Cyprus: 382,836 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus. So you're incorrect regardless of which time period you're talking about. They have not been "45%" of the population at any time since the invasion.
@1614762 The Turkish Cypriots stayed in the island, and even after the UK bought the island off of the Ottomans the Greeks were still a huge majority if you compared it to the population of the Turkish Cypriots.
For "most" of it's history Cyprus was NOT a Greek Island. It mostly belonged to Hittites, Assyrians, Persians, Arabs, Crusaders, Venetians, Turks, Latins,... Greeks rarely had a possession over it
Just because the Turks were prolific colonizers doesn’t mean Cyprus isn’t Greek
@@vrbe3694 Nope the sentence after his first statement of "split between the Republics" proves that he implied the political status of the Islands history
@@Spanner249 Hahaha that's funny considering that Greeks were the first colonizers who caused the extinction of the native ethnicities of Cyprus and Anatolia
@@nenenindonu Ok now I hear it after a few replays, that’s a mistake
@@nenenindonu Yeah well they’re all dead so there’s nothing that can be done about that and it’s not like the Greeks nowadays were the ones to do that to the original-original settlers on Cyprus
Free Kurdistan
Cant see you on a map 😔
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus❤❤❤
United Cyprus
United Cyprus apart of Greece
united cyrpus without the greeks or turks meddling inside their affairs
@@sconelover yes Cyprus should be it's own country and I also that Britain should live from the two bases it's own
@@GwainSagaFanChannel yes
One Turkiye recognising anywhere including Cyprus is more than enough for the world and poor greeks will be looking on crying. Sorry dears but you keep on making us laugh each time you mention it.
"For most of it's history Cyprus was a Greek Island" sorry but no it wasn't unless you consider Romans and Turks to be Greek
Can you expand your argument please?
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Greek in the cultural sense. You've gotta listen to more than the first sentence :)
Hellenism in Cyprus was(and still is) predominant for the last 2500 years at least. Cyprus is far more Greek than eastern Anatolia is Turkish.
Cyprus was ruled by Greeks for hundreds of years longer than Turks what r u on about💀
This is what ALWAYS happens if you have a too large muslim population. Look it up. India, China, Yugoslavia several African countries...it happens ALWAYS.
A more reasonable argument might be that this sort of thing often happens when formally multi-ethnic empires break up into nation-states. Take the Russia and Ukraine conflict which has nothing to do with Islam, or formerly East Pakistan (Bangladesh) which is Muslim and yet still wanted to break away from Pakistan proper (also Muslim). Ethnicity tends to be more complicated than just religion.
@@LookBackHistoryUsually Muslim Empires tend to be multi ethnic and so that’s where the notion of having a large Muslim population is bad for stability of a nation
You do know that Bosniaks, Albanians, Uighurs and Muslim indians are natives to their land right?
@@TheIronHordesman2 İdiots can't undersant
@@LookBackHistorythank you ❤️❤️❤️
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