Hey guys! Thanks for clicking on my video. I just wanted to say that I am aware that Dream Jelly recently uploaded a video on a similar topic. I don't want anyone to think I copied them, so I just wanted to make it clear that I've been planning to make this video for months and was already nearly done making it when Dream Jelly uploaded their video. I haven't watched their video yet because I didn't want it to unintentionally influence me, but I'm sure we each have our own unique takes on this topic, so if it's a topic that interests you, I strongly encourage you to watch both our videos! Okay thanks, bye!
It's so annoying when people accuse folks of "copying" so and so bc yall made content discussing similar things. Theres like 8 billion people on this planet(give or take), it's not at all unfathomable that two or more people have the same or similar ideas on something independently. I'll always give people the benefit of the doubt rather than immediately accusing them of copying someone else's idea.
My favorite era of gaming is easily the “accidental female audience” era! Pokémon, Ace Attorney, Animal Crossing….and then they’re surprised when girls show up? 😂
@@Drstrange3000 Thats exactly the reason it appealed to girls; because it appealed to everyone! It seemed like girls weren’t that into gaming back when the pink choices were a couple of shitty Barbie games. But this era is when gaming really hit a new level, those games are genuinely great experiences for anyone.
i remember playing imagine fashion designer as a kid but i very quickly got stuck when one of the missions asked me to design “lingerie”, a term i’d never heard before. i tried a bunch of different things at first, but i failed the mission every time. finally i went to my mom to ask her what this elusive “lingerie” was, and obviously she didn’t want to have THAT talk at my age, so she told me it was another word for nightgown. of course, i had no reason to think she was lying, so i took her at her word and kept trying to design a nightgown, but it still failed every single time. eventually i gave up on it, figuring the game was broken. in hindsight. it’s more than a little weird that a game aimed primarily at children asked you to design lingerie and just assumed you would know what that is. honestly even just calling it underwear would’ve been a lot less weird
When i was little i really wanted imagine fashion designer but my parents never let me get it because i was a "boy". Even as someone who grew up as a boy "girly" games were always something o really wanted. Harvest moon and rune factory were huge parts of my childhood and i only recently found out that apparently a lot of people considered those games to be for girls back then which was pretty surprising. I remember i used to always try and "borrow" my sister's games because she would never let me play them, sometimes o would try and check out games like that from the library (my local library when i was a kid had a TON of games available) i of course played tons pf other kinds of games but i was always drawn to the girly stuff which looking back makes a lot of sense. Great video randymoon! I love your channel so far.
Ms Pac-Man was a rom hack that later got licences, that’s why it’s copyright has always been weird. She’s an oc :) and has also been written out of history in recent years in some sort of weird pac divorce
Yes, the original pacman was already design trying to appeal to a female demographic, according to Pac-Man's creator, he designed Pac-Man to resemble sweets (like cake and pudding) since they are popular with girls in japan
The pinnacle of girly gaming to me will always be style savy, it's just so perfect. It has adorable stories, fun gameplay, & always looked so good for its time
21:50 sorry for the "um, actually" thing im gonna say, but the first pokemon games were gonna have the option to choose between a male and a female protag, but since they run out of space, that had to be postponed until pkmn crystal's release. said games (the ones that didnt have space) had TONS of bugs so i guess they didnt optimize them well until the end of the 90s
Hello! I love that so many are getting interested in the Imagine series and loved this video! Just gonna leave a few cool facts about Imagine! I hope you don't mind. I have been researching and playing Imagine and petz games for a few years and there is a lot to say about both franchises. The main thing is some of the imagine games are multiple Japanese game series that ended up being reskinned and localized as an imagine game. (same for petz games) Imagine Master Chef (Imagine Happy Cooking in EU and AU) is from a series originally released in Japan called Oishii Cake Okusan for the Game Boy Color in 2000. It was made by MTO (most petz games are MTO games) Only two of the 10 games released outside of Japan: Touch Pen de Tanoshiku o Ryouri (Happy Cooking-US and My Happy Kitchen-EU) and Edamoto Naomi no Shiawase Kitchen: Kakushi Aji wa Anata ga Kimete ne (Imagine Master Chef-US and Imagine Happy Cooking - EU and AU) Another interesting thing is that some of the Imagine games that only released In EU actually got localized in the US outside of the Imagine series. Imagine My Restaurant was released in the US as Gourmet Chef: Cook Your Way to Fame. Imagine Champion Rider 3D was released in US as Horses 3D and EU as Alexandra Ledermann 3D. (which is also the name of many of the petz horse games in EU) I have more facts but I'll leave them out because they are related to other imagine games not included in this video! I also wanted to say Lets Ride FF is my absolute favorite! I basically maxed out everything in that game and the song that plays is actually one of my favorites 😅🤣
I've been thinking about this for a while too!!! I remember having hamsterz life on the DS and it being a really cute game, and then hamsterz life 2 on the DS was so incredibly melancholy, almost depressing in contrast. I learned to love the vibe as I grew up though. Hamsterz life 2 on the GBA is just a Hamster Club game ported to the west. I'm not even sure if there's a hamsterz life 1 for the GBA, haha
@@nessiejoe My most shocking experience was with the Dogz GBA game. Dogz GBA is a reskin of another Japanese game and Dogz 2 GBA is just Dogz 1 that was re-re skinned! Sometimes the second game isn't even related to the first at all. There is a possibility that the hamster game you're looking for was released outside of the Imagine and Pets lineup. I'd check some more Ubisoft hamster games to be sure!
I appreciate the genuine appreciation, interest, and grace you have about the differing opinions and your own liking to the games. Nice to know I'm not alone in liking games that most wouldn't. It may not be the same for me as for you, but still!
Is there a comprehensive list of all "reskinned" imagine titles? I know that Imagine Figure Skater is one of the Kuru Kuru Princess games, too, but unless you're already familiar with the original japanese titles it's actually pretty hard to research them.
I still have my Petz Bunnyz and its sequel, Petz Bunny Bunch. They actually teach things you are not supposed to do with real bunnies!! You should not be bathing your buns with shampoo, and they don't hold food with their front paws like hands and-- I really hate it when pet sims that wanna be realistic in presentation but do a terrible job at teaching how to manage a real pet. My favorite girly game lately is a fan translation of Sylvanian Families for the Gameboy Color, called "The Fairyland Pendant". It's essentially an RPG where you don't battle, but have certain tasks to complete for the village that level you up. You can collect furniture for your room, like buying playsets for the Sylvanian Families dolls, which have effects on the story. I also like the collecting seeds and growing flowers, too. I know that I would have loved it as a little girl. I'm sad it didn't come out at a time when I really needed it, but as an adult I'm crazy obsessed with it. XD
Doesn't giving bunnies a bath literally risk k1lling them? Like their body goes into shock bc it gets cold after you take them out of the water? That's potentially dangerous to put into a game with no disclaimer about these Bunnyz aren't directly analagous to real-life rabbits. Having that expectation that the Bunnyz are just like rabbits in real life and should be treated and cared for the exact same way could have some pretty bad consequences, especially if children and parents aren't prompted or encouraged to do their own research before going out and getting a real pet rabbit.
Fun fact: The Imagine series was renamed to "Sophie's friends" in germany, and when I was talking with a friend about DS games, I didn't recognize the game until I looked at my own collection here at home and was like "oooh"
@@chiaraintagliata7297I was about to say the same thing! Also in some of the games, if there was a main character that didn't have the option to be named after the player, sometimes that main character was named Giulia. I remember playing Imagine Detective and the character that was supposed to be "you" was named Giulia Sparks in Italian. Also, in Imagine Ballet Dancer (I think that's the name in English) one of three girls to choose from was named Giulia as well (the pink hair one).
if you're looking for suggestions, tinkerbell for the ds is unironically one of my favorite ds games ever. not just because i played it as a kid either
I was 18 when I played it first and my colleague at work was maybe 30? and she suggested it to me. The gameplay mechanics are just fun! But only in Tinker Bell 1. The second one was cr..
Not liking games with female protagonist is just a skill issue in and of itself. Growing up, all I wanted was a full Assassin's Creed game with a female protagonist. And even when we did start to get that, it was coupled with an additional male protagonist.
It sucks that after the industry received (valid) criticism about how they gendered games, it seems that they decided to just not make 'girl' content professionally anymore. The strongest modern entries to the genre are farming sims (a trend started by an indie dev), mobile games (the 'casual' scene), or entries to previously popular franchises (like AC:NH or the recent Cooking Mama). Weirdly, today it feels more okay to be a 'girl gamer', but not to make 'girl games'.
The only shovelware game I played was an awful wizards of waverly place game for the DS and it glitched to a point where i couldn't move my character so I just gave up lol
Man these look a lot better than I thought! The covers of all these, with their realistic look, look so low quality and unappealing. They should have just had the anime art style on the box!
Lovely video! My sisters and I had a handful of the Petz DS games when we were growing up, and I even remember being confused then by how vastly different the gameplay and art styles were within the games we had lol!
As a girl gamer. I started playing video games at the age of 2 in 1989. My first game system in order was the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, GBC, Original Pink see through GBA, PS2, Red GBA SP (still have), Crimson red ds lite, blue dsi, aqua 3ds, red 3ds xl, pikachu 3ds xl, wii u, nintendo switch oled, pink nintendo switch lite. As for girl gamers in the 90's I knew very few other girls my age who were into gaming at the time. When I was playing my super nintendo one of my grandma's neighbors who was a girl a few year's younger than me had Sega Genesis & the game gear & loved Sonic while I was into Mario & DK. We played Sega Genesis at her house a few times back then. When I was playing my teal GBC right before I upgraded to the original Pink see through GBA. I accidentally got my younger cousin also a girl hooked on Rugrats Totally Angelica GBC game. We stayed up until midnight at a sleepover at my grandparents house playing it back & forth she kept getting stuck on the pinball mini game so I had to play it then hand it back. Long story short when I upgraded to the original GBA I ended giving my younger cousin my old GBC with either pokemon red or blue also ducktales gb, & mickey speedway gbc so they would have several games to play on it. She gave to her older sister who more so wanted it & told me her parents (my aunt & uncle) were getting her the gba & a copy of rugrats Totally Angelica gbc. I could have gave her my copy because I beat the game 5 times over back then but still my favorite. Ironically I still have all my GB, GBC, & GBA games~ 😁🤣
I went to Penny Arcade Expo in 2009, and Ubisoft held a demo for a new Splinter Cell game, somewhere in there the presenter said something like "Ubisoft is known for our quality AAA games!" And someone in the crowd yelled "YEAH IMAGINE BABIES!!"
@heavensgate2245 i might of messed up my IPA [international phonetic alphabet. not the best at it lol], but i was trying to differentiate between [to use english pronunciation respelling instead] YEW-bee-soft [
If I ever get around to putting together my own game console I'm gonna call it the Gamegirl Or the SuperGamegirl Or the Super-GrannyCom Or The Super Enchanté-inator the last one was a frasier reference i have no good ideas left
GirlieGamerCon 3000 mayhaps? Game and Girl are essential to the name and branding. Boys have run the gaming sphere for too long, let the girlies go at it!! Saying this as a trans nonby who is an appreciator of most things "girly" and feminine but feels weird having it applied to themselves. It's complicated lol. I'm an effeminate entity, not to be confused with a "girl" or "woman" I guess is how I'd begin to explain it.
a really good girly game that I remember playing as a kid was that style savvy boutique game on the 3ds, I remember really liking the music and the variety of fashion styles you could choose. I think that game was responsible for me getting into alternative fashion there's also other things you can do in the game like run a fashion show, cut hair, and decorate rooms
I was OBSESSED with Imagine Makeup Artist as a kid and was disappointed trying other games in the series as they weren't as developed as that one was, at least in my opinion. I think a lot of these games could have been really fun if they put more effort into them. I always feel guilty paying into the stereotypes of girl gamers and playing games like this or style savvy but some of them are just SO FUN. Awesome video!
Gen X woman here. Not a subscriber. Found your channel due to the shock site history video. My first console was the Atari 2600. Started PC gaming in 1996. And I’ve been gaming since. Met my husband on WoW. And we game with our kids.
growing up, I had two other brothers, and we all had DSI’s. That meant most of the games that we had were cheap shovel wear games. My favorite of all time was pony friends. Genuinely it’s not as bad as I thought it would be. It’s actually kind of fire.
In the 80s and 90s there seemed to be a large amount of female game developers, I remember reading the credits for age of empires and there was a large portion of ladies in the credits. For whatever reason during the 2000s up until very recently there seemed to be far fewer female game developers and the games got worse. I’ve always felt that a good game will be a good game to anyone and a game targeted to a specific group will be much more likely to be flawed and lacking what make a memorable gaming experience. I liked your video, I remember liking swan lake on pc and sim tunes and zoo tycoon
9:51 I actually owned a copy of Imagine: Wedding Designer and it actually crashed on me. It then refused to start again, only making a loud, horrible noise at the initial loading screen. It was my first experience with an intense, game-breaking glitch and I now have a personal vendetta against that game.
Hi I wanted to add something! I got a game cartridge with a bunch of ds games as a gift in 2014, which doesn’t seem very legal but whatever, I was a child and don’t even know where it came from. Anyway within the selection of games there was imagine babyz. I remember playing it and getting tired of it pretty quickly and the touch controls didn’t always work. But I had Imagine games that were actually good! Imagine teacher has a kinda repetitive gameplay loop but is actually fun to play, at least it was for a 10 year old. But I revisited it recently and it was actually fun! There is also Imagine figure skater that I liked a lot as a kid. It has a very anime style, so I did some research like last week whe I remembered the game existed and turns out it absolutely is a japanese game that was rebranded to sell better around the world. The 3D models are crappy but the gameplay loop makes up for it with fun mini games and the game becoming more challenging as you progress. There is an ice skating competition system with increasingly difficult figures to do draw because you get less time to draw them and more of them to do to get high scores. The artstyle and gameplay are good so I recommend it. Another game I really enjoyed and get sucked into once I start playing is Fashion Designer Style Icon (at least that’s the name of the file, not sure which region this name applies to). Basically you work in a clothing shop and the main gameplay is cutting, sewing and ironing pieces of clothing with a time limit. The challenge is that you have a timer and a limited amount of mistakes permitted (otherwise you have to start over the mission) and you have to switch between the correct tools and draw with the stylus exactly on the lines to cut things and make sure you don’t stay in place for too long with the iron to avoid mistakes. It also have a plot with cloth eating bugs! (Idk what they’re called bc English isn’t my first language) I didn’t know about this plot as a child because I never got past a certain mission but it ads to the challenge because you have to select the hand tool to swat them away while you work. But the game is pretty entertaining with an annoying side character with an inferiority complex. Basically you start as the owner’s assistant, then she hires the side character guy, and 19 y/o looking guy that is often disrespectful and doesn’t like being reminded that he is inferior to you, then the owner goes away after like 5 missions and he is now your assistant. While the guy is annoying, it adds to the game’s ambiance and depth which is honestly nice. Sorry for the rant, here are some cool ds games though
ahhh dropping everything to watch the new randy moon video!!! im so excited for this vid. i am afab (but not a girl) and have been into video games for almost 2 decades since i was around 10 and got my first nintendo ds lite. i have been on the receiving end of gamer girl accusations for a long time LOL
Did anyone play Crystal's Pony Tale for Genesis? It seems to be a pretty early example of a game designed to specifically draw young girls to a console. I loved the atmosphere and music when I was a kid. The gameplay was confusing but it added to the mystique - I have no idea if it was a "good game" but it kept me coming back
I literally just found an old Julie American girl game and Imagine Detective for $3 a piece. I used to LIVE for AG when I was a wee-ling. I never tried the Imagine series. Until Detective, they never interested me.
I had both Dogz and The Dogs for both DS and Wii… the DS games were different, I liked Dogz for DS a lot….. the Wii games literally have the exact same plot line and game play just with different art styles 🥴
As a kid, I only had Imagine Party Babyz on the Wii and it was total trash. I also had a bunch of the Petz games, and most of those were also quite awful, except I remember really liking Petz Hamsterz 2 and going back to it as an adult, it seems fairly decent at least.
It may be true that the career-oriented games focused predominately on stereotypically feminine careers, but the fact that they even had the idea to center games intentionally made for girls around *career paths* is pretty remarkable. There are plenty of games about stereotypically masculine jobs, but I can barely think of any that explicitly try to present them to the player as possible careers they could pursue in real life.
Very valid, your criticism on games' treatment of women and girls. It's interesting, knowing how often they've always been here in gaming, despite being shamed and hidden more often than not, and what games over the decades actually gave genuine gender freedom and representation within them versus others. Virtual UA-camrs seem to have finally brought more girl gamers to the spotlight, which has been very encouraging.
I believe the original reason Pokemon didn't have the option to be a female character from the getgo is that it was based on the bug collecting aspect in Japanese culture. Which is mainly dominated by young japanese boys. I believe they suddenly realized the reach and fun of the game when people of all ages and from both sexes were eager to play it. The originally pokemon looked a hell of a lot more goofy and strange and became cuter and softer over time. Likely to attract younger audiences and female audiences as well. I still enjoy the original artist of pokemon because their unique style and look has aged significantly better, as well as their focus on the monsters aspect of pocket monsters. Not saying that women or girls can't enjoy these aspects but I believe it has a lot more to pull from Japanese culture which led them to believe it would only be popular with young japanese boys from the get go.
Since i watched Jelly's video i did a little research (5-10min google) and from what I can tell, the better titles in the Imagine Series, werent made by Ubisoft, but instead localised to English and their original titles and boxart changed to match the rest for whatever reason. Which honestly annoyed me because I never would have known there were decent games thrown in the mix. Also i think (i might be wrong) that the lack of quality girl games was more prominent in the Western countries, because places like Japan seemed to have lots of very cutesy games for women and girls, for example otome games.
i had a super long comment typed out on my phone but my phone is dogshit so it reset the youtube app when i spent too much time in my browser looking for a game. so this is the cliffnotes version of my comment. 1. PLEASE make a good girly games vid. my three sisters and i all had various versions of the ds and had so many games. 2. shamus underwater adventure or something like that by activision was a game i really enjoyed. it was challenging but in a good way. the controls were kinda weird and awkward iirc. i either never fully beat it because i got stuck or after beating the final boss it didnt save your progress, so i played through most of the game so many times. not sure if this qualifies as a girly game cuz im an autistic agender person with a terrible conception of how general cishet society genders stuff. 3. drawn to life is a thq game that i enjoyed a lot as well. i think it may be a rip off of scribblenauts but idk which released first and have not seen scribblenauts gameplay. the drawn to life story was super engaging and interesting to me as a kid and the gameplay had a good difficulty level for me at the time. i dont think this one is really a girly game based on the fact that the protag u have to play as is a guy. there may have been like side stories where you play as a girl character but i dont remember.
5. puppy luv: spa and resort by activision was a TERRIBLE game i had. i literally launched it on my ds ONE time, realized the gameplay was simultaneously confusing and boring and then never played it again. i remember passing it along to one of my younger sisters and none of us could ever figure it out or be entertained by it (it probably mostly attempted to be played by one of the twins that are 4.5 yrs younger than me bc i think my youngest sister who is 7 yrs younger than me was too young at the time).
@@gray0014 drawn to life and scribblenauts are actually made by the same people! i love seeing other people who know about drawn to life, that game is way too underrated
@@haroldflower8589 oh thats awesome! i didnt realize they were made by the same people. i only ever had drawn to life but it was one of my favorite games!
The segment on Pac-man is a little backwards. Pac-man was originally targeted at women and girls, with the creator saying that he decided to make a game for them specifically because they were not being considered by most other games designers. He selected the theme of eating to appeal to them because women like to eat (?). Ms. Pac-man was an unauthorised ROM hack made by US hackers who entered into an agreement with Namco to avoid being sued. They retained the rights to Ms Pacman, and later sold them to a plu and play machine manufacturer. Namco has downplayed and replaced Ms Pac for a while now to avoid paying royalties for her use.
if the audio you used over the clip of the horrifying baby ISNT that one audio clip of shayne screaming than you somehow found one that sounds almost exactly like it LMAO
I actually really liked the imagine games i had but maybe i got lucky with the good ones. I had imagine teacher and imagine zookeeper. Some of the Petz games really suck but Petz Tigerz is actually fun. My sister had that one and i stole it from her lol
Lol now I cant stop imagining what that cooking game would be like if Chief Hopper was in it... all you can eat Eggos and trauma? Anyways, a very cool rundown for those unfamiliar (like myself :P)
I love the imagine games lol… i play them everyday amongst a bunch of others. some are not great tho haha but a lot are!! i’m also 27 and autistic… so maybe not the best person for an opinion lol.
you said rocketts and secret paths and the Barbie game were criticized for forcing gender roles and stereotypes can you provide a source for this or proof of it and I'm not talking about modern-day criticism when the games were released by a significant number of people not just one article from some left-wing feminist I hope these are legitimate criticisms and not you just enter in your opinion as historical fact.
i kind of miss the crappy era of games.. always found random gems hidden in the literal shit piles also, the random games like the dogz one you mentioned that would have the same name and cover but be COMPLETELY different on ds were so big. i remember i got sims 2 pets on ds and cried as a kid and my grandma secretly returned it and got it on gamecube for me. I still have it (with my cheat codes in the case in my funny child handwriting)😆🥲
Great job on this video! If you do make that video on good girly games, you should look into the Style Savvy games. I've played two of those games: Trendsetters and and am currently playing Fashion Forward and those are two games that are girly as well as well made with a well made shop management mechanic that make the games fun to come back to. Also, I'm with you on wanting a Game Girl😁
i need the good games version, i was already wanting to ask for that halfway through and i'm glad u mentioned the possibility at the end lol, cooking mama was always fire and i'd love to see if there's more to say about pokemon and if it was historically important for this or something, i always thought it was fire you could pick gender, it was one of the first quality games i ever saw doing that. i'm just curious about overall the whole history that got us to where we are now where we're somewhat slightly considered worth marketing towards \^o^/ as a random sidenote tv ads for the ds in south america referred to new super mario bros as a game for girls which i think is funny, hope we get more mario games for girls (beyond super princess peach, let me play as rosalina)
Hey guys! Thanks for clicking on my video. I just wanted to say that I am aware that Dream Jelly recently uploaded a video on a similar topic. I don't want anyone to think I copied them, so I just wanted to make it clear that I've been planning to make this video for months and was already nearly done making it when Dream Jelly uploaded their video. I haven't watched their video yet because I didn't want it to unintentionally influence me, but I'm sure we each have our own unique takes on this topic, so if it's a topic that interests you, I strongly encourage you to watch both our videos! Okay thanks, bye!
I've watched both your video and Dream Jelly's video. The topics are not quite the same, and I appreciate both of your takes on the matter.
me and my siblings played that petz pc game you mention at 14:24 a lot. got some inside jokes over the stupid mechanics still
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It's so annoying when people accuse folks of "copying" so and so bc yall made content discussing similar things. Theres like 8 billion people on this planet(give or take), it's not at all unfathomable that two or more people have the same or similar ideas on something independently. I'll always give people the benefit of the doubt rather than immediately accusing them of copying someone else's idea.
Many people don’t know that Imagine Dragons started as a Ubisoft shovelware game.
Imagine Dragonz, with a z
@@aidanfleming7229 Now I want to make one for my Imagine collection. 🤣
My favorite era of gaming is easily the “accidental female audience” era! Pokémon, Ace Attorney, Animal Crossing….and then they’re surprised when girls show up? 😂
ace attorney is so real, like capcom what do you mean you're surprised all these women & girls are here
I would add the Sims to that list as well.
professor layton needs to be on the list hehe
It is my favorite era, and I'm a guy haha.
@@Drstrange3000 Thats exactly the reason it appealed to girls; because it appealed to everyone! It seemed like girls weren’t that into gaming back when the pink choices were a couple of shitty Barbie games. But this era is when gaming really hit a new level, those games are genuinely great experiences for anyone.
i remember playing imagine fashion designer as a kid but i very quickly got stuck when one of the missions asked me to design “lingerie”, a term i’d never heard before. i tried a bunch of different things at first, but i failed the mission every time. finally i went to my mom to ask her what this elusive “lingerie” was, and obviously she didn’t want to have THAT talk at my age, so she told me it was another word for nightgown. of course, i had no reason to think she was lying, so i took her at her word and kept trying to design a nightgown, but it still failed every single time. eventually i gave up on it, figuring the game was broken.
in hindsight. it’s more than a little weird that a game aimed primarily at children asked you to design lingerie and just assumed you would know what that is. honestly even just calling it underwear would’ve been a lot less weird
When i was little i really wanted imagine fashion designer but my parents never let me get it because i was a "boy". Even as someone who grew up as a boy "girly" games were always something o really wanted. Harvest moon and rune factory were huge parts of my childhood and i only recently found out that apparently a lot of people considered those games to be for girls back then which was pretty surprising. I remember i used to always try and "borrow" my sister's games because she would never let me play them, sometimes o would try and check out games like that from the library (my local library when i was a kid had a TON of games available) i of course played tons pf other kinds of games but i was always drawn to the girly stuff which looking back makes a lot of sense. Great video randymoon! I love your channel so far.
Ms Pac-Man was a rom hack that later got licences, that’s why it’s copyright has always been weird. She’s an oc :) and has also been written out of history in recent years in some sort of weird pac divorce
True, but they changed the character to Ms. Pac-Man from this guy who looked kinda like Pac-Man with feet called Crazy Otto.
Yes, the original pacman was already design trying to appeal to a female demographic, according to Pac-Man's creator, he designed Pac-Man to resemble sweets (like cake and pudding) since they are popular with girls in japan
every character ever is an oc if you think about it •3•
The pinnacle of girly gaming to me will always be style savy, it's just so perfect. It has adorable stories, fun gameplay, & always looked so good for its time
21:50 sorry for the "um, actually" thing im gonna say, but the first pokemon games were gonna have the option to choose between a male and a female protag, but since they run out of space, that had to be postponed until pkmn crystal's release. said games (the ones that didnt have space) had TONS of bugs so i guess they didnt optimize them well until the end of the 90s
Hello! I love that so many are getting interested in the Imagine series and loved this video! Just gonna leave a few cool facts about Imagine! I hope you don't mind.
I have been researching and playing Imagine and petz games for a few years and there is a lot to say about both franchises. The main thing is some of the imagine games are multiple Japanese game series that ended up being reskinned and localized as an imagine game. (same for petz games)
Imagine Master Chef (Imagine Happy Cooking in EU and AU) is from a series originally released in Japan called Oishii Cake Okusan for the Game Boy Color in 2000. It was made by MTO (most petz games are MTO games)
Only two of the 10 games released outside of Japan: Touch Pen de Tanoshiku o Ryouri (Happy Cooking-US and My Happy Kitchen-EU) and Edamoto Naomi no Shiawase Kitchen: Kakushi Aji wa Anata ga Kimete ne (Imagine Master Chef-US and Imagine Happy Cooking - EU and AU)
Another interesting thing is that some of the Imagine games that only released In EU actually got localized in the US outside of the Imagine series. Imagine My Restaurant was released in the US as Gourmet Chef: Cook Your Way to Fame.
Imagine Champion Rider 3D was released in US as Horses 3D and EU as Alexandra Ledermann 3D. (which is also the name of many of the petz horse games in EU)
I have more facts but I'll leave them out because they are related to other imagine games not included in this video!
I also wanted to say Lets Ride FF is my absolute favorite! I basically maxed out everything in that game and the song that plays is actually one of my favorites 😅🤣
I've been thinking about this for a while too!!! I remember having hamsterz life on the DS and it being a really cute game, and then hamsterz life 2 on the DS was so incredibly melancholy, almost depressing in contrast. I learned to love the vibe as I grew up though.
Hamsterz life 2 on the GBA is just a Hamster Club game ported to the west. I'm not even sure if there's a hamsterz life 1 for the GBA, haha
@@nessiejoe My most shocking experience was with the Dogz GBA game. Dogz GBA is a reskin of another Japanese game and Dogz 2 GBA is just Dogz 1 that was re-re skinned! Sometimes the second game isn't even related to the first at all. There is a possibility that the hamster game you're looking for was released outside of the Imagine and Pets lineup. I'd check some more Ubisoft hamster games to be sure!
@@nessiejoe I just remembered there is a Hamsters on GBA! It's very similar to Hamsterz Life DS. It's called Hamsterz Life 2!
I appreciate the genuine appreciation, interest, and grace you have about the differing opinions and your own liking to the games. Nice to know I'm not alone in liking games that most wouldn't. It may not be the same for me as for you, but still!
Is there a comprehensive list of all "reskinned" imagine titles? I know that Imagine Figure Skater is one of the Kuru Kuru Princess games, too, but unless you're already familiar with the original japanese titles it's actually pretty hard to research them.
I still have my Petz Bunnyz and its sequel, Petz Bunny Bunch. They actually teach things you are not supposed to do with real bunnies!! You should not be bathing your buns with shampoo, and they don't hold food with their front paws like hands and-- I really hate it when pet sims that wanna be realistic in presentation but do a terrible job at teaching how to manage a real pet.
My favorite girly game lately is a fan translation of Sylvanian Families for the Gameboy Color, called "The Fairyland Pendant". It's essentially an RPG where you don't battle, but have certain tasks to complete for the village that level you up. You can collect furniture for your room, like buying playsets for the Sylvanian Families dolls, which have effects on the story. I also like the collecting seeds and growing flowers, too. I know that I would have loved it as a little girl. I'm sad it didn't come out at a time when I really needed it, but as an adult I'm crazy obsessed with it. XD
i didn't know sylvian families had a game?! i will check it out now, i am so interested as i love sylvian families a lot 💖
Doesn't giving bunnies a bath literally risk k1lling them? Like their body goes into shock bc it gets cold after you take them out of the water? That's potentially dangerous to put into a game with no disclaimer about these Bunnyz aren't directly analagous to real-life rabbits. Having that expectation that the Bunnyz are just like rabbits in real life and should be treated and cared for the exact same way could have some pretty bad consequences, especially if children and parents aren't prompted or encouraged to do their own research before going out and getting a real pet rabbit.
Fun fact: The Imagine series was renamed to "Sophie's friends" in germany,
and when I was talking with a friend about DS games, I didn't recognize the game until I looked at my own collection here at home and was like "oooh"
that’s so random lol who’s sophie?
In Italy it's "Giulia Passione *insert passion*" so it's like Giulia passione cucina "Giulia's passion for cooking"
@@chiaraintagliata7297Ubisoft so funny they thought they had their European Girl dolls lined up ☠️
@@chiaraintagliata7297I was about to say the same thing! Also in some of the games, if there was a main character that didn't have the option to be named after the player, sometimes that main character was named Giulia. I remember playing Imagine Detective and the character that was supposed to be "you" was named Giulia Sparks in Italian. Also, in Imagine Ballet Dancer (I think that's the name in English) one of three girls to choose from was named Giulia as well (the pink hair one).
if you're looking for suggestions, tinkerbell for the ds is unironically one of my favorite ds games ever. not just because i played it as a kid either
I was 18 when I played it first and my colleague at work was maybe 30? and she suggested it to me. The gameplay mechanics are just fun! But only in Tinker Bell 1. The second one was cr..
I loved that game and I'm sure I still could enjoy it, I think I'll start playing it again
My roommate played the PC version and also really liked that one!
Not liking games with female protagonist is just a skill issue in and of itself. Growing up, all I wanted was a full Assassin's Creed game with a female protagonist. And even when we did start to get that, it was coupled with an additional male protagonist.
It sucks that after the industry received (valid) criticism about how they gendered games, it seems that they decided to just not make 'girl' content professionally anymore. The strongest modern entries to the genre are farming sims (a trend started by an indie dev), mobile games (the 'casual' scene), or entries to previously popular franchises (like AC:NH or the recent Cooking Mama). Weirdly, today it feels more okay to be a 'girl gamer', but not to make 'girl games'.
The only shovelware game I played was an awful wizards of waverly place game for the DS and it glitched to a point where i couldn't move my character so I just gave up lol
Give me that girly shovelware.
Man these look a lot better than I thought! The covers of all these, with their realistic look, look so low quality and unappealing. They should have just had the anime art style on the box!
''Like groomers to a SSB Tournament'' killed me 🤣
Lovely video! My sisters and I had a handful of the Petz DS games when we were growing up, and I even remember being confused then by how vastly different the gameplay and art styles were within the games we had lol!
Imagine Skater, Imagine Ballerina, and Imagine Master Chef were the only good ones out of all the imagine games and I stand by that
As a girl gamer. I started playing video games at the age of 2 in 1989. My first game system in order was the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, GBC, Original Pink see through GBA, PS2, Red GBA SP (still have), Crimson red ds lite, blue dsi, aqua 3ds, red 3ds xl, pikachu 3ds xl, wii u, nintendo switch oled, pink nintendo switch lite. As for girl gamers in the 90's I knew very few other girls my age who were into gaming at the time. When I was playing my super nintendo one of my grandma's neighbors who was a girl a few year's younger than me had Sega Genesis & the game gear & loved Sonic while I was into Mario & DK. We played Sega Genesis at her house a few times back then. When I was playing my teal GBC right before I upgraded to the original Pink see through GBA. I accidentally got my younger cousin also a girl hooked on Rugrats Totally Angelica GBC game. We stayed up until midnight at a sleepover at my grandparents house playing it back & forth she kept getting stuck on the pinball mini game so I had to play it then hand it back. Long story short when I upgraded to the original GBA I ended giving my younger cousin my old GBC with either pokemon red or blue also ducktales gb, & mickey speedway gbc so they would have several games to play on it. She gave to her older sister who more so wanted it & told me her parents (my aunt & uncle) were getting her the gba & a copy of rugrats Totally Angelica gbc. I could have gave her my copy because I beat the game 5 times over back then but still my favorite. Ironically I still have all my GB, GBC, & GBA games~ 😁🤣
I went to Penny Arcade Expo in 2009, and Ubisoft held a demo for a new Splinter Cell game, somewhere in there the presenter said something like "Ubisoft is known for our quality AAA games!" And someone in the crowd yelled "YEAH IMAGINE BABIES!!"
6:18 "yes, i'm saying /ju-bi-sɑft/, because /uː-bi-sɑft/ sounds silly" finally, someone's with me on this. great video!
@heavensgate2245 i might of messed up my IPA [international phonetic alphabet. not the best at it lol], but i was trying to differentiate between [to use english pronunciation respelling instead] YEW-bee-soft [
I heard that Ubisoft is a portmanteau of "ubiquitous" and "software" so yoo-bee-soft should be the correct pronunciation by my logic at least
1:49 im waiting for the gamethey
THIS!!
If I ever get around to putting together my own game console I'm gonna call it the Gamegirl
Or the SuperGamegirl
Or the Super-GrannyCom
Or
The Super Enchanté-inator
the last one was a frasier reference
i have no good ideas left
GirlieGamerCon 3000 mayhaps? Game and Girl are essential to the name and branding. Boys have run the gaming sphere for too long, let the girlies go at it!! Saying this as a trans nonby who is an appreciator of most things "girly" and feminine but feels weird having it applied to themselves. It's complicated lol. I'm an effeminate entity, not to be confused with a "girl" or "woman" I guess is how I'd begin to explain it.
It's so validating hearing stuff from a person who likes games casually but is not super skilled or experienced :)
I had the pink dsi as well :) great vid!
a really good girly game that I remember playing as a kid was that style savvy boutique game on the 3ds, I remember really liking the music and the variety of fashion styles you could choose. I think that game was responsible for me getting into alternative fashion
there's also other things you can do in the game like run a fashion show, cut hair, and decorate rooms
if I had to recommend a game it would definitely be this one, and I wish I heard more people talk about it
I was OBSESSED with Imagine Makeup Artist as a kid and was disappointed trying other games in the series as they weren't as developed as that one was, at least in my opinion. I think a lot of these games could have been really fun if they put more effort into them. I always feel guilty paying into the stereotypes of girl gamers and playing games like this or style savvy but some of them are just SO FUN. Awesome video!
Gen X woman here. Not a subscriber. Found your channel due to the shock site history video. My first console was the Atari 2600. Started PC gaming in 1996. And I’ve been gaming since. Met my husband on WoW. And we game with our kids.
growing up, I had two other brothers, and we all had DSI’s. That meant most of the games that we had were cheap shovel wear games. My favorite of all time was pony friends. Genuinely it’s not as bad as I thought it would be. It’s actually kind of fire.
In the 80s and 90s there seemed to be a large amount of female game developers, I remember reading the credits for age of empires and there was a large portion of ladies in the credits. For whatever reason during the 2000s up until very recently there seemed to be far fewer female game developers and the games got worse. I’ve always felt that a good game will be a good game to anyone and a game targeted to a specific group will be much more likely to be flawed and lacking what make a memorable gaming experience.
I liked your video, I remember liking swan lake on pc and sim tunes and zoo tycoon
Oh, I will appreciate if you do a video about GOOD girly games. :3
9:51 I actually owned a copy of Imagine: Wedding Designer and it actually crashed on me. It then refused to start again, only making a loud, horrible noise at the initial loading screen. It was my first experience with an intense, game-breaking glitch and I now have a personal vendetta against that game.
Hi I wanted to add something! I got a game cartridge with a bunch of ds games as a gift in 2014, which doesn’t seem very legal but whatever, I was a child and don’t even know where it came from. Anyway within the selection of games there was imagine babyz. I remember playing it and getting tired of it pretty quickly and the touch controls didn’t always work. But I had Imagine games that were actually good! Imagine teacher has a kinda repetitive gameplay loop but is actually fun to play, at least it was for a 10 year old. But I revisited it recently and it was actually fun!
There is also Imagine figure skater that I liked a lot as a kid. It has a very anime style, so I did some research like last week whe I remembered the game existed and turns out it absolutely is a japanese game that was rebranded to sell better around the world. The 3D models are crappy but the gameplay loop makes up for it with fun mini games and the game becoming more challenging as you progress. There is an ice skating competition system with increasingly difficult figures to do draw because you get less time to draw them and more of them to do to get high scores. The artstyle and gameplay are good so I recommend it.
Another game I really enjoyed and get sucked into once I start playing is Fashion Designer Style Icon (at least that’s the name of the file, not sure which region this name applies to). Basically you work in a clothing shop and the main gameplay is cutting, sewing and ironing pieces of clothing with a time limit. The challenge is that you have a timer and a limited amount of mistakes permitted (otherwise you have to start over the mission) and you have to switch between the correct tools and draw with the stylus exactly on the lines to cut things and make sure you don’t stay in place for too long with the iron to avoid mistakes. It also have a plot with cloth eating bugs! (Idk what they’re called bc English isn’t my first language) I didn’t know about this plot as a child because I never got past a certain mission but it ads to the challenge because you have to select the hand tool to swat them away while you work. But the game is pretty entertaining with an annoying side character with an inferiority complex. Basically you start as the owner’s assistant, then she hires the side character guy, and 19 y/o looking guy that is often disrespectful and doesn’t like being reminded that he is inferior to you, then the owner goes away after like 5 missions and he is now your assistant. While the guy is annoying, it adds to the game’s ambiance and depth which is honestly nice.
Sorry for the rant, here are some cool ds games though
wasn't it called 'game boy' so consumers associated it with the very popular 'walkman' ?
ahhh dropping everything to watch the new randy moon video!!! im so excited for this vid. i am afab (but not a girl) and have been into video games for almost 2 decades since i was around 10 and got my first nintendo ds lite. i have been on the receiving end of gamer girl accusations for a long time LOL
i played imagine fashion designer so much as a kid. core memories unlocked lol
Fun fact, not all of the imagine games was'nt reviewed by IGN, like for example Imagine Party Planner which was a pretty good short game
Did anyone play Crystal's Pony Tale for Genesis? It seems to be a pretty early example of a game designed to specifically draw young girls to a console. I loved the atmosphere and music when I was a kid. The gameplay was confusing but it added to the mystique - I have no idea if it was a "good game" but it kept me coming back
I literally just found an old Julie American girl game and Imagine Detective for $3 a piece. I used to LIVE for AG when I was a wee-ling. I never tried the Imagine series. Until Detective, they never interested me.
I used to own a horse game for Mary Kate and Ashley
Imagine Teacher: School Trip actually had plot and a story tho they kinda ate there.. can’t speak for the rest of the Imagine series though 😂
I loved LPS nintendo games... omg the nostalgia
0:28 tbf gamer boy doesn’t sound good either
Gaymer boy
gameboyer
gamegirl advance sp
If anyone describes themself unironically as a gamer boy or girl run
I had both Dogz and The Dogs for both DS and Wii… the DS games were different, I liked Dogz for DS a lot….. the Wii games literally have the exact same plot line and game play just with different art styles 🥴
As a kid, I only had Imagine Party Babyz on the Wii and it was total trash. I also had a bunch of the Petz games, and most of those were also quite awful, except I remember really liking Petz Hamsterz 2 and going back to it as an adult, it seems fairly decent at least.
how you always upload during my work sessions im eating so good rn
It's been 10 months can I stop imagining DS games and other girly shovelware now?
It may be true that the career-oriented games focused predominately on stereotypically feminine careers, but the fact that they even had the idea to center games intentionally made for girls around *career paths* is pretty remarkable. There are plenty of games about stereotypically masculine jobs, but I can barely think of any that explicitly try to present them to the player as possible careers they could pursue in real life.
Very valid, your criticism on games' treatment of women and girls. It's interesting, knowing how often they've always been here in gaming, despite being shamed and hidden more often than not, and what games over the decades actually gave genuine gender freedom and representation within them versus others. Virtual UA-camrs seem to have finally brought more girl gamers to the spotlight, which has been very encouraging.
I found your channel yesterday and I love your content. Excited to see what you release in the future!
Watching this video makes me feel like Ash in the Pokemon anime when he pretended to be a girl to sneak into Erika's gym
reminder that Imagine Party Babyz got a 7.5/10 from IGN while God Hand got a 3
great video! really enjoyed the topic since I like collecting DS shovelware haha. Excited to see what else you talk about!
Man I remember playing those old Petz games on the DS.
I believe the original reason Pokemon didn't have the option to be a female character from the getgo is that it was based on the bug collecting aspect in Japanese culture. Which is mainly dominated by young japanese boys. I believe they suddenly realized the reach and fun of the game when people of all ages and from both sexes were eager to play it. The originally pokemon looked a hell of a lot more goofy and strange and became cuter and softer over time. Likely to attract younger audiences and female audiences as well. I still enjoy the original artist of pokemon because their unique style and look has aged significantly better, as well as their focus on the monsters aspect of pocket monsters. Not saying that women or girls can't enjoy these aspects but I believe it has a lot more to pull from Japanese culture which led them to believe it would only be popular with young japanese boys from the get go.
OMG I HAD THE BLACK AND RED 3DS
Since i watched Jelly's video i did a little research (5-10min google) and from what I can tell, the better titles in the Imagine Series, werent made by Ubisoft, but instead localised to English and their original titles and boxart changed to match the rest for whatever reason. Which honestly annoyed me because I never would have known there were decent games thrown in the mix.
Also i think (i might be wrong) that the lack of quality girl games was more prominent in the Western countries, because places like Japan seemed to have lots of very cutesy games for women and girls, for example otome games.
I swear there was a spa owner game , where u put a green face mask on character and cucumber eye masks as well
Imagine them? I remember them.
Not me saying “don’t talk that way about Ghost” and you immediately calling me out 21:38
as someone working in game dev, I would love to go indie some day and just make cute girl games but with actually good gameplay and stories
I didn't know babyz were a hobby. Thanks!!
love your content keep it up :3
I actually really liked the horse game series Let’s Ride on PC, it seems like the DS version was a poor translation of the game.
I HAD LET'S RIDE FRIENDS FOREVER first time i see anyone mention it. i didn't play it very much lol
Love this, thanks for making videos!
Fire video
I had a game boy advance sp and a few if the Nintendo do series, a psp, an Xbox 360 with Kinect, a Wii and now I have a Nintendo switch
9:07 PMDbros… don’t look
Hear me out Breath of the wild and Balders Gate are just dress up games with extra steps
i had a super long comment typed out on my phone but my phone is dogshit so it reset the youtube app when i spent too much time in my browser looking for a game. so this is the cliffnotes version of my comment.
1. PLEASE make a good girly games vid. my three sisters and i all had various versions of the ds and had so many games.
2. shamus underwater adventure or something like that by activision was a game i really enjoyed. it was challenging but in a good way. the controls were kinda weird and awkward iirc. i either never fully beat it because i got stuck or after beating the final boss it didnt save your progress, so i played through most of the game so many times. not sure if this qualifies as a girly game cuz im an autistic agender person with a terrible conception of how general cishet society genders stuff.
3. drawn to life is a thq game that i enjoyed a lot as well. i think it may be a rip off of scribblenauts but idk which released first and have not seen scribblenauts gameplay. the drawn to life story was super engaging and interesting to me as a kid and the gameplay had a good difficulty level for me at the time. i dont think this one is really a girly game based on the fact that the protag u have to play as is a guy. there may have been like side stories where you play as a girl character but i dont remember.
5. puppy luv: spa and resort by activision was a TERRIBLE game i had. i literally launched it on my ds ONE time, realized the gameplay was simultaneously confusing and boring and then never played it again. i remember passing it along to one of my younger sisters and none of us could ever figure it out or be entertained by it (it probably mostly attempted to be played by one of the twins that are 4.5 yrs younger than me bc i think my youngest sister who is 7 yrs younger than me was too young at the time).
@@gray0014 drawn to life and scribblenauts are actually made by the same people! i love seeing other people who know about drawn to life, that game is way too underrated
@@haroldflower8589 oh thats awesome! i didnt realize they were made by the same people. i only ever had drawn to life but it was one of my favorite games!
The segment on Pac-man is a little backwards. Pac-man was originally targeted at women and girls, with the creator saying that he decided to make a game for them specifically because they were not being considered by most other games designers. He selected the theme of eating to appeal to them because women like to eat (?). Ms. Pac-man was an unauthorised ROM hack made by US hackers who entered into an agreement with Namco to avoid being sued. They retained the rights to Ms Pacman, and later sold them to a plu and play machine manufacturer. Namco has downplayed and replaced Ms Pac for a while now to avoid paying royalties for her use.
if the audio you used over the clip of the horrifying baby ISNT that one audio clip of shayne screaming than you somehow found one that sounds almost exactly like it LMAO
i just searched man screaming but maybe it is
it's from a prn vid 😓@@randymoon
@@thunderousbitch8163 still is a hilarious scream regardless
I actually really liked the imagine games i had but maybe i got lucky with the good ones. I had imagine teacher and imagine zookeeper. Some of the Petz games really suck but Petz Tigerz is actually fun. My sister had that one and i stole it from her lol
Nice video. You deserve more veiws
Lol now I cant stop imagining what that cooking game would be like if Chief Hopper was in it... all you can eat Eggos and trauma?
Anyways, a very cool rundown for those unfamiliar (like myself :P)
I saw that ghost.
awesome content as usual
Great Vid
And Is that an Pumpkin Kitty On your Arm?
it is!
Wooaaaah!
Ultra Fancy!
Pumpkin`s 10/10@@randymoon
The sims and animal crossing have been the best gateway games for my wife
The only imagine game that I think is good is imagine ballet star, that one had lots of content
Do you think girls generally want to play pretty games? Or games like solitaire or minesweeper could be thought of as entirely unisex?
Let's gooo!!!
I love the imagine games lol… i play them everyday amongst a bunch of others. some are not great tho haha but a lot are!! i’m also 27 and autistic… so maybe not the best person for an opinion lol.
Will never not be salty I was bullied for liking Pokemon as a kid just because I was born with a fem body.
Smh.
im guy but i like these videos
I got a blue ds and red 2ds
OBSESSED WITH THIS VIDEO UGH
You know as funny as these are to look at now, I feel bad for any young girls who were trying to buy a game and got this random trash lol.
Can u make the video abt good girly games
amei o vídeo
Ubisoft mentioned but no rayman 😞 I love the rayman series sm
you said rocketts and secret paths and the Barbie game were criticized for forcing gender roles and stereotypes can you provide a source for this or proof of it and I'm not talking about modern-day criticism when the games were released by a significant number of people not just one article from some left-wing feminist I hope these are legitimate criticisms and not you just enter in your opinion as historical fact.
i cant wait for infinitte nikkie issa waifu game
I don’t think brain age was a launch title for DS
i kind of miss the crappy era of games.. always found random gems hidden in the literal shit piles
also, the random games like the dogz one you mentioned that would have the same name and cover but be COMPLETELY different on ds were so big. i remember i got sims 2 pets on ds and cried as a kid and my grandma secretly returned it and got it on gamecube for me. I still have it (with my cheat codes in the case in my funny child handwriting)😆🥲
Great job on this video! If you do make that video on good girly games, you should look into the Style Savvy games. I've played two of those games: Trendsetters and and am currently playing Fashion Forward and those are two games that are girly as well as well made with a well made shop management mechanic that make the games fun to come back to.
Also, I'm with you on wanting a Game Girl😁
i need the good games version, i was already wanting to ask for that halfway through and i'm glad u mentioned the possibility at the end lol, cooking mama was always fire and i'd love to see if there's more to say about pokemon and if it was historically important for this or something, i always thought it was fire you could pick gender, it was one of the first quality games i ever saw doing that.
i'm just curious about overall the whole history that got us to where we are now where we're somewhat slightly considered worth marketing towards \^o^/
as a random sidenote tv ads for the ds in south america referred to new super mario bros as a game for girls which i think is funny, hope we get more mario games for girls (beyond super princess peach, let me play as rosalina)
"babyz with a ZED" I knew I loved you when I found out you were canadian