This is my first time that im not focused on one, but definitely all three of them. My God does that supra sound and look good with those wood hoops. Like a wet, slapy, warm and open smack! I would mess around with lower tuning with the wood hoops, for sure.
Great sounds out of all combinations. Favorite combo is situational. What sound space are you trying to occupy with the other instruments? One drum can wear a lot of hats.
What an interesting comparison! I’ve played (more or less) exclusively wood hoop’d drums for nearly twenty years. My main snares are the Yamaha Anton Fig signature and a Kumu 14x5.5. It’s quite astonishing how putting wood hoops on an aluminum snare can bring about a sound character that’s reminiscent of wood snares with wood hoops!
I just want to point out that I really enjoy your videos. It's so hard to find in-depths discussions about drums on youtube that goes further than "5 Tricks for a killer snare sound". Keep up the great work.
I think you guys have the best educational vids on drums on YT. You have taught me a lot of things I had no idea about (like snare beds, mine have always been really mellow so I never even noticed them) and corrected things I thought I knew.
I've been playing drums for 53 years now, and I can say with all certainty that this is the best collection of how-to information about drums that I've ever seen! And the best part is that everything is so on point... Kudos, great job. I have Gretsch 301 single flange hoops on my drums, so I was a bit disappointed that you left out single flange, but still, amazing content!
As you mentioned, the only problem with wooden hoops is that most regular stands can't hold them... I learned the hard way, when I got a custom snare with wooden hoops, in the morning, no time to get by the studio, straight to a gig ... and couldn't try my new baby hahaha (and had to use the club's one... you know... the half destroyed one that sounds horrible no matter what haha). Great video once again ! Hi from France !
There is a way to use wood hoop drums on a standard snare stand. It may not work on all hoops, but typically, the hoop has a lip such that you can rest the drum on the tips of the snare basket arms, and the drum will not slide off.
I replaced my 1.6mm triple flange hoops on my old MIJ kit with 2.3mm stick saver style hoops and the difference was pretty amazing. They are heavier and sturdier, look better, tune easier and sound focused and warm. The toms really sound good now. The drums actually feel more like an older American vintage kit, when you hit them. They are also a fraction of the cost of die cast. They are well worth their price!
Great video. I have a small collection of snares with different hoop types, and this has encouraged me to switch them up and experiment on switching them up, and having some fun.
I have a mid-90s Pearl Masters snare with die-cast hoops on both sides, and I've always thought that there was something I didn't like about it, no matter what head combination I used. Now I know it might be the bottom hoop, I'll try swapping it for a triple flanged one.
I like the sound of wood hoops on both sides, warm and open. I felt the sound of cross stick on wood hoop was tighter than on die-cast hoop, that was interesting. Wood hoops will match full acoustic situation in my opinion.
i just made myself a snare drum and it's an all black nickel over brass 14x5 with DC top and TF bottom. Evans G1 clear top with a patch on the center that i add by myself and hazy 300 bottom with 16 wires Puresound. the tuning range of that thing is right outrageous! i've never experienced that before on a drum. but there's a point in the tuning where it enters the Matrix. i'm not even joking. this combo produces the most insane pop over crack i've ever heard. i'd say 70% pop and 30% crack. with a nice uuuuuhm at the end from the shell. i made it for the look and giggles because i wanted to build one for fun and see what it gives me. results are it's just my best one. made by me. looks so slick with no logo on it too! i'm in love with that combo.
I play fusion metal with a lot of rim shots. Been thinking about wood hoops , but I’m definitely going to try wood hoops now. I liked the tone of the rim shots with wood!
Me I'm a die cast hoops person and my 2nd favorite is wood hoops... Love the dryness and articulations of a die cast set up but also love the openness and warmth of the Maple hoops.
I love all 3 options for their own benefits. The wood is warm and earthy. The die cast is nice and focused for articulate sticking. And the flanged almost have a mind of their own, as if to dare you to get a little nuts and experiment. GREAT video!
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool triple flange guy, but it was great to hear the differences, so thank you for doing a comparison. P.S. I swapped the bottom heads out on my 9 favorite snares and tuned them the way you guys suggested. (Not tabletop tight) and I'm happy to report they all sound and feel a lot better. More resonance and more of the fat sound I love. Keep up the great work, fellas!
Oh boi finally ! I have waited a long time for this. Great video as always with really valuable information. I am a little bit sad that there was no S-Hoop, I am particularly interestet in hearin them. But I already read somewhere here in the comments that there is another video in the making :-) For that one maybe also bring flanged hoops made out of another metal (I think there are brass ones) because I think that can make a difference for sure. I am looking forward to your next video. Keep up the aweseome work guys, the drumming community owes you bigtime :D !
I LOVE the overtones you're getting from the wood hoops, the rimshots seem to be screaming at you! To my ears it actually sounds like they'd be great for super hard-hitting rock drummers, but maybe my taste is just wonky. Kinda reminded me of the super ringy Audioslave snare sound
I bought Gretsch 302 double-flanged hoops to replace the stock triple-flanges on my Catalina Maple snare last year. They really fattened up the tone--adding fullness and depth, while controlling some of the ring (but not as much as die casts), and also provide nice and tight cross-stick tones. Best of both worlds...I absolutely love them.
Ive been using a wood hoop just on the batter for a long time. I really like it.You get a wider tuning range since the rim sits higher on the drum so they're good for higher tunings without getting too low on the drum so you get a better rim shot. The cross stick is nice but the pitch is a little higher. The big plus is that you wont eat through drumsticks since the rimshot zone is much wider on the shank of the sticks so sticks last a lot longer.
Personally, I use wood hoops on wood shell snares. I’ve found mixing the two materials opposite from how they’re usually sold just doesn’t work right. A metal shell snare just always has that ring no matter how I tune it or what heads I’m using. Wood seems warmer and wooden hoops just add to it. I’m with you on the die cast top and flange bottom. That’s a rock solid combo. My Gretsch has this very set up and it’s perfect.
I have a question. and a comment. I've seen many of your videos, but new to this one. Thanks for how you present the topics! Because of a design look I'm considering, but also for a more durable playing surface, have you ever tried a wood hoop on the resonant side of a snare or preferably tom, and a Die-Cast on the batter side? .... Comment.... You mentioned stave hoops. I worked for a couple years one-on -ne with a top drum builder/ drum tech, mostly me doing repairs (I"m also a trained violin and guitar builder besides a drummer). I've seen sooooooo many stave snare drums fall apart, and not be repairable in a pretty or useful way, that not only would I never buy one, but I would never consider a stave hoop because of such a short area of contact for the glue surface, not to mention banging on a glue joint that will absolutely crack. And I say this after years of wanting to build a wooden doumbek with the stacked, offset stave rings design, and never knowing how to make a good top hoop. Now I know it's not impossible, but shouldn't be done. I've seen such beautiful snare drums from well known makers, all fall apart, over time, especially with exotic woods that may be brittle or have oils in them. if epoxy is used, it's worse because there is creep (not the guy who made it, hopefully), and it makes them fall apart faster. The more glue joints, the more places available for damage, including from sun and heat, but most commonly from natural wood movement and shrinkage, warpage, and wacking them with sticks.
13:31 : Tommy Aldridge heavily disagrees on that. he plays like the drums owe him money, with wood hoops. Great video and that's everything a music education channel should be. Thanks for all the wonderful classes on everything that sounds like a drum :)
Great work as usual! I’d love to see you guys do brass hoops if you end up doing another hoop comparison. Tama makes 2.3mm triple flanged NOB hoops and I’ve had great luck with those on my 402. Just trying to spread the word!
I tend to favor triple flange hoops on my COB snare, probably medium weight (2.3), at least on top. With varied results I've heard, I think I might avoid die-cast hoops for cost and sound concerns. I might like to try wood hoops, but I would probably do them on a wood drum. That might be a project for an extra snare, however the wood hoops are pricey. I would almost double the price paid of the drum by adding wood hoops.
1st kit as a beginner 35 years ago were RadioKings. (I know right? Dumb luck. Still have them too.) I always wondered how much those double flanged "stick chopper" hoops contributed to that 40's RadioKing sound. (Being nickel over brass and all) If you hang those brass hoops up and hit Them you get a nice bell like ring verses a steel hoops "clank". I guess that brass would be the polar opposite of a wood hoop?
Now I really need to stop getting snare drums and start buying myself some die cast hoops 😉🤟💪🥁🤓 Really great episodes guys and something I will be diving into more!
I have two snares ,an old Premier from the early 60's and a Yamaha maple custom, both have die cast hoops and to be really honest with you there is not a great deal of difference when compared to triple flange ( had so many I've lost count ) .Still I prefer the die cast hoops , however when I changed a Mapex bass drum's metal hoops for good wood hoops , the difference was remarkable totally different drum. So the point is different hoops have difference sounds ,not so much on the snare or I am not hearing it in your comparison ? Great subject.
Would be awesome to see you playing around with s-hoops and some more highend wooden hoops like walnut. Also, thanks for doing this. I'm currently trying to find the perfect hoop for me.
I have a 60s Slingerland snare with a single-flange batter and triple-flange resonant (found the drum like that). I think the batter gets a lot of tone out the head and shell, which I like on older drums. I have a Pearl Philharmonic for concert use that originally had single-flange hoops on both sides. I changed the batter to die cast and it sounds fantastic to my ears.
I have a very similar Supraphonic and it took me a long time to warm up to the triple-flanged hoops because I had been a Slingerland freak for a long time. But now, I've made my peace with the triple-flange and love the "softer" rimshots and openness. But for hard rock, I'll take die-cast top and bottom every chance I get.
Another excellent video and I look forward to seeing more hoop comparisons! Have you considered doing comparisons on the depth of drums? I'd love a good comparison especially with snares, but toms and kicks would be awesome as well. You guys do such a great job with these videos. Unmatched quality!
The die-cast sound always reminds of Tama snares. Most Tama drums for the last few decades have been made with die-cast and I recognize the crack and instant projection that seems common to them
I've found that die cast on both sides of a 5"-6.5" deep hammered shell has great character and tuning manners over wood shells or non-hammered metal drums. Add on the Hendrix nylon washers with tension rod sleeves, and you won't need muffling on hammered and die cast hooped snare drums.This works on any metal snare drums regardless of material type. (The sensitivity of metal snare drums are my preference) I use a 300 Evans cranked up on the snare side until the glue cracks, then I back off for tuning taste. On the batter side, I use a coated 10 mil single ply that gets tensioned to 70-90 thousands of deflection on a Drum Dial. Yes,that's right, .. I TENSION the top for feel on the playing surface, then TUNE the bottom to the key of the song when recording. For live shows, I tune to whatever fits the set list relative to the dominant key in the list of songs. Sometimes I use a Roland TM-2, and trigger elements that fit the key while blending the acoustic sound on top of the electronic layer. Forgive me for cheating a little to ensure the best replication of our songs that we play live by triggering (or call it drum tuning sacrilege), but it works for live shows very well, and I trigger for that instance only.
Hey Gabriel! Our approach for tuning a piccolo snare isn't really any different than what we've demonstrated in our previous videos, though we may experiment with the extremes of the tuning range a bit more. Maybe we'll do a Snare Spotlight video with a piccolo snare and get into the topic a bit more in the future. Cheers! -Ben
Dearly noted Ben. I will re-watch that video and try a little bit more, see where it takes me. But that would be awesome actually. Maybe some day who knows. Thanks for the heads up Ben and thanks to you and all the team for the brilliant work you are doing. Cheers 👍🏾
@@gabrielnascimento1217 David Garibaldi talks about how he tunes his snare here: www.musicradar.com/tuition/drums/david-garibaldis-12-funk-drumming-tips-554048 The article doesn't mention how he tunes his batter head, but from another article I read, he only tunes it to medium tension. I don't use any dampening, nor do I de-tune any lugs, but his approach works well for me.
Thank you once again for a great video.. It is exactly what I was doing today.. putting a die cast on my new (used) Black Friday Special Hip Pig.. but now I am contemplating.. On the video I like the overall sound of two triple-flange hoops which totally surprised me.. But it is at least worth checking out the die cast on top.. Love these videos
Think you skipped over what might be a big revaluation (It's a session drummer secret.) by going triple flanged on the top & die cast on the bottom. It gives you a really clean, articulate tone with a wide range of expression from the batter head & gives most drums a surprising amount of warmth & fatness. Also, you can warm up the sound of die cast hoops by using those white nylon tension rod washers.
Can you see about incorporating DW's Truehoops? They are supposedly a middle ground, and if you are buying custom a drumkit in the 3.5-7 range chances are you are buying DW over say a Tama Star or Yamaha Phoenix (not that either are bad drums!). Sidenote, their 3 position buttplate is fantastic and can take my brass snare from hard rock to drums and bass instantly.
Why would you think that someone would Buy a DW over a Tama Star or Yamaha? More specifically on the lowend of the range of $3500 DW gives you NOTHING for your money. $3300 gets you a 3 piece kit with a 20" kick drum with stamped steel claws that touch the hoops and flanged hoops on the toms. At least with Tama you a full 5 piece kit with diecast bass drum claws with rubber linersband diecast hoops on the toms for less than $3300 and they have a stronger fundamental tone due to the slightly thicker shells. If you want anything from DW that sounds as good its considerably more $$$$. I just bought 2 DW 9000 pedals and was expecting them to be made in the USA for the price but was disappointed to see them made in Taiwan. Taiwan makes good quality products but I thought I was paying the premium for made in USA.
Yep! And even some of the early Supraphonic shells were chrome over brass prior to them switching to aluminum. Those are some highly coveted drums now! -Ben
A suggestion to you guys: Could you maybe mix down the speech a bit softer and/or the playing on the drum(s) louder? Right now, when I want to hear the sound of a drum, I increase the volume by 10 dB to hear it correctly. But then there's speech again, which will be really loud!! And so I decrease the volume by 10 dB again. In my opinion, this is really annoying and maybe should be taken care of. Aside from that, I'm a big fan of your channel! Keep up the good work! :)
As is kind of the theme in comments so far. I would be interested in an extended version or series of this video especially covering the wood hoops that are set up with claws (similar to mini-kick drum hoops) as well as exploring more and different combinations. As an example, for my concert hall snare, I have discovered that normal tiple-flange on top with the claw style wood on the bottom can be made to give me the articulating I need at lower volume levels and yet really opens up at greater volume levels without losing the "body" of the drum.
Hey there - I guess what I mean is that when tuned to the same pitch, the head feels stiffer to the touch with the die-cast. It’s been weirdly consistent regardless of which drum I’m using too. - Cody
Very nice! Thanks guys, great as always. Would be nice to get some Ludwig COB hoops and/or Yamaha Aluminum cast hoops in the mix as well. The COBs are not uncommon on older supras and the Aluminum cast hoops are a bit more open than normal die cast hoops. Keep up the great work.
One thing I was missing is the answer to the question: Do wood hoops work with every shell material (metal vs. wood shells in general, different metal shells, diffferent wood shells, thickness of the shells etc.) or are there some go-to and not-go-to combinations - Thanks!
What about using only a top wooden hoop on a Wood snare? Is that going to mess up the shape of my wooden snare? Will it be too difficult to tune? Will it stay in tune, see, I play Jazz -a bit faster with additional smaller percussion instruments on my kit so I don't hit extremely hard.
No you can totally do that, mixing hoop materials won’t hurt your drum or complicate tuning. Frankly I find Wood hoops extra easy to tune because of the flexibility of wood vs. metal. Go for it! -Cody
Love the die cast on top and triple flanged on bottom. Dual die cast really can choke out a snare. If you have a high end snare you dont want to choke out the resonance too much
Thanks for another great video :) Do you have any thoughts on the claw style wood hoops (like bass drum hoops but on a snare) and how they compare to the thicker Yamaha style?
Yes! I have a 7x14” Allegra that has that style and they sound waaaay different. Not sure of the physics exactly but they are very open and the overtones are a bit wilder to my ear. I always used a Remo CS on it back in the day but now it’s in storage. Gotta get it back to work :) also fwiw those thinner claw-style hoops are a lot more fragile by virtue of the rounded edge and less plies. -Cody
Awesome! thanks for the info Cody. I'd love to hear the Allegra some time. I have a Craviotto Super Swing with those claw style hoops. It certainly has a very wide open sound but I have been attributing that to the solid shell, perhaps it has more to do with the hoops. I've been interested to try some others on it but unfortunately none of my others will fit since its an 8 lug drum. This video has inspired me though, I think I'm gonna buy some triple flanged and experiment a bit :)
@@CarlNagy Yeah man, part of that sound is for sure the drum but you'll be surprised how much changing the hoops will alter things. Way fun to mess around with :)
I'm wondering how a DW True Tone Hoop would sound like. It's thick like a die cast (3mm), but a triple flange design. Does it choke up the tone (die cast) but still has some openness to it (flange)?
@@SoundsLikeADrum intersting i never thought about that.. Yes maybe sticks will suffer a little more but i was more concerned about the sound aspect:I have an old yamaha steel snare with really rusty hoops and body.. I was thinking about put new hoops but.. it ll be just an a esthetically? or maybe also sounds will improve with new hoops of same model and material but new and clean? Maybe more resonance?
Hey, I just wanna thank you guys for the advice you've given me over the past year. I just did my third(and biggest drum engineering/recording session and all the advice Ive gotten from you and othefrs regarding tuning and other stuff really helped. So I recently had a snare drum that the lugs were really hard to even finger tighten and two of the lugs were way higher in pitch even with equal tuning. One lug even got super tight and stopped turning completely, so like you were saying thats likely just a bent or warped hoop eh? what other factors can go into uneven tuning pockets or seizing lugs?
Another great option! We’d like to include them in a more in depth back-to-back as part of a new comparison series we’ve been dreaming up. We can bring this to fruition with your help! Please consider joining our Patreon: www.patreon.com/soundslikeadrum
Hey there! It's hard to say, we didn't always mark it down back then but I'm pretty sure it's either a UV1 or G1. Either of those will get you the sounds you hear in this. -Cody
Do you have an older wood snare to try these hoops on? A 50's or 60's mahogany with maple tone/reinforcement rings perhaps? I have a 57 WFL with Slingerland COB sticksaver rims that sounds killer to me. But i'd be interested to hear a similar type snare with the cast and wood rims! I'm thinking the wood rims will be beautiful. I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't! Thanks! By the way I just recently found this channel and dig it alot. New subscriber! ✌
For the rim shot's I actually kinda like the lower pitched overtone's. I know there's abit more overtone's with the wood, but there's something more pleasing about them compared to the metal.
Jesus christ I love the double die cast hoop sound. I've been looking at a 14x7 Black Panther to replace my Tama Steelworks, do you think it'd sound good with die cast?
Which hoop combination was your favorite?
This is my first time that im not focused on one, but definitely all three of them. My God does that supra sound and look good with those wood hoops. Like a wet, slapy, warm and open smack! I would mess around with lower tuning with the wood hoops, for sure.
Die cast just on top is my fav. Open, but also a bit more controlled. I will absolutely try this on my supra. Thanks!
Triple flange. Very interesting video!
Great sounds out of all combinations. Favorite combo is situational. What sound space are you trying to occupy with the other instruments? One drum can wear a lot of hats.
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What an interesting comparison! I’ve played (more or less) exclusively wood hoop’d drums for nearly twenty years. My main snares are the Yamaha Anton Fig signature and a Kumu 14x5.5. It’s quite astonishing how putting wood hoops on an aluminum snare can bring about a sound character that’s reminiscent of wood snares with wood hoops!
Drum instructors can enhance their student's lessons with these videos. I have learned much from you. Thanks Cody.
I just want to point out that I really enjoy your videos. It's so hard to find in-depths discussions about drums on youtube that goes further than "5 Tricks for a killer snare sound". Keep up the great work.
The best option, diecast up, triple flange down on the snare ..
I think you guys have the best educational vids on drums on YT. You have taught me a lot of things I had no idea about (like snare beds, mine have always been really mellow so I never even noticed them) and corrected things I thought I knew.
I've been playing drums for 53 years now, and I can say with all certainty that this is the best collection of how-to information about drums that I've ever seen! And the best part is that everything is so on point... Kudos, great job. I have Gretsch 301 single flange hoops on my drums, so I was a bit disappointed that you left out single flange, but still, amazing content!
As you mentioned, the only problem with wooden hoops is that most regular stands can't hold them...
I learned the hard way, when I got a custom snare with wooden hoops, in the morning, no time to get by the studio, straight to a gig ... and couldn't try my new baby hahaha (and had to use the club's one... you know... the half destroyed one that sounds horrible no matter what haha).
Great video once again !
Hi from France !
There is a way to use wood hoop drums on a standard snare stand. It may not work on all hoops, but typically, the hoop has a lip such that you can rest the drum on the tips of the snare basket arms, and the drum will not slide off.
I replaced my 1.6mm triple flange hoops on my old MIJ kit with 2.3mm stick saver style hoops and the difference was pretty amazing. They are heavier and sturdier, look better, tune easier and sound focused and warm. The toms really sound good now. The drums actually feel more like an older American vintage kit, when you hit them. They are also a fraction of the cost of die cast. They are well worth their price!
Another excellent video, guys. You guys should be featured on Drumeo for a lesson just on drum tuning.
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Wonder how a die cast batter and wood snare side would sound 🤔
Great video. I have a small collection of snares with different hoop types, and this has encouraged me to switch them up and experiment on switching them up, and having some fun.
I have a mid-90s Pearl Masters snare with die-cast hoops on both sides, and I've always thought that there was something I didn't like about it, no matter what head combination I used. Now I know it might be the bottom hoop, I'll try swapping it for a triple flanged one.
I like the sound of wood hoops on both sides, warm and open.
I felt the sound of cross stick on wood hoop was tighter than on die-cast hoop, that was interesting.
Wood hoops will match full acoustic situation in my opinion.
i just made myself a snare drum and it's an all black nickel over brass 14x5 with DC top and TF bottom. Evans G1 clear top with a patch on the center that i add by myself and hazy 300 bottom with 16 wires Puresound. the tuning range of that thing is right outrageous! i've never experienced that before on a drum. but there's a point in the tuning where it enters the Matrix. i'm not even joking. this combo produces the most insane pop over crack i've ever heard. i'd say 70% pop and 30% crack. with a nice uuuuuhm at the end from the shell.
i made it for the look and giggles because i wanted to build one for fun and see what it gives me. results are it's just my best one. made by me. looks so slick with no logo on it too! i'm in love with that combo.
I play fusion metal with a lot of rim shots. Been thinking about wood hoops , but I’m definitely going to try wood hoops now. I liked the tone of the rim shots with wood!
On my pearl hybrid exotic Kapur/fibre glass i use die cast top and triple flanged bottom, love the sound
diecast sounds awesome but the wood is really unique.
Me I'm a die cast hoops person and my 2nd favorite is wood hoops... Love the dryness and articulations of a die cast set up but also love the openness and warmth of the Maple hoops.
I love all 3 options for their own benefits. The wood is warm and earthy. The die cast is nice and focused for articulate sticking. And the flanged almost have a mind of their own, as if to dare you to get a little nuts and experiment. GREAT video!
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool triple flange guy, but it was great to hear the differences, so thank you for doing a comparison.
P.S. I swapped the bottom heads out on my 9 favorite snares and tuned them the way you guys suggested. (Not tabletop tight) and I'm happy to report they all sound and feel a lot better. More resonance and more of the fat sound I love. Keep up the great work, fellas!
Paul Kennedy 9?!
@@lukebs1212 I have 17, but I had to stop somewhere, so I chose the 9 that I know I play the most. Btw, they're all Ludwigs. 🤘🔥💪💯
I feel you on that one! I've got quite the stash here as well (some of which are seen in the background of our episodes, but not all). -Ben
Oh boi finally ! I have waited a long time for this. Great video as always with really valuable information.
I am a little bit sad that there was no S-Hoop, I am particularly interestet in hearin them. But I already read somewhere here in the comments that there is another video in the making :-)
For that one maybe also bring flanged hoops made out of another metal (I think there are brass ones) because I think that can make a difference for sure.
I am looking forward to your next video. Keep up the aweseome work guys, the drumming community owes you bigtime :D !
I LOVE the overtones you're getting from the wood hoops, the rimshots seem to be screaming at you! To my ears it actually sounds like they'd be great for super hard-hitting rock drummers, but maybe my taste is just wonky. Kinda reminded me of the super ringy Audioslave snare sound
Yeah man absolutely, I’ve used them for that in the studio a couple times, almost a Soundgarden sound on a deeper snare :) -Cody
I bought Gretsch 302 double-flanged hoops to replace the stock triple-flanges on my Catalina Maple snare last year. They really fattened up the tone--adding fullness and depth, while controlling some of the ring (but not as much as die casts), and also provide nice and tight cross-stick tones. Best of both worlds...I absolutely love them.
Ive been using a wood hoop just on the batter for a long time. I really like it.You get a wider tuning range since the rim sits higher on the drum so they're good for higher tunings without getting too low on the drum so you get a better rim shot. The cross stick is nice but the pitch is a little higher. The big plus is that you wont eat through drumsticks since the rimshot zone is much wider on the shank of the sticks so sticks last a lot longer.
Great video. I'd love to see the Gibraltar wood/metal combo hoop tested.
Die cast top and bottom for me. My Pearl hybrid exotic Kapur/fibreglass came with triple flanged hoops but swapped to both die cast 🤘
Personally, I use wood hoops on wood shell snares. I’ve found mixing the two materials opposite from how they’re usually sold just doesn’t work right.
A metal shell snare just always has that ring no matter how I tune it or what heads I’m using.
Wood seems warmer and wooden hoops just add to it.
I’m with you on the die cast top and flange bottom. That’s a rock solid combo. My Gretsch has this very set up and it’s perfect.
minute 1:54, the expression on your face says it all regarding the sound of the first round. by the way, love your channel
I have a question. and a comment. I've seen many of your videos, but new to this one. Thanks for how you present the topics! Because of a design look I'm considering, but also for a more durable playing surface, have you ever tried a wood hoop on the resonant side of a snare or preferably tom, and a Die-Cast on the batter side? .... Comment.... You mentioned stave hoops. I worked for a couple years one-on -ne with a top drum builder/ drum tech, mostly me doing repairs (I"m also a trained violin and guitar builder besides a drummer). I've seen sooooooo many stave snare drums fall apart, and not be repairable in a pretty or useful way, that not only would I never buy one, but I would never consider a stave hoop because of such a short area of contact for the glue surface, not to mention banging on a glue joint that will absolutely crack. And I say this after years of wanting to build a wooden doumbek with the stacked, offset stave rings design, and never knowing how to make a good top hoop. Now I know it's not impossible, but shouldn't be done. I've seen such beautiful snare drums from well known makers, all fall apart, over time, especially with exotic woods that may be brittle or have oils in them. if epoxy is used, it's worse because there is creep (not the guy who made it, hopefully), and it makes them fall apart faster. The more glue joints, the more places available for damage, including from sun and heat, but most commonly from natural wood movement and shrinkage, warpage, and wacking them with sticks.
13:31 : Tommy Aldridge heavily disagrees on that. he plays like the drums owe him money, with wood hoops. Great video and that's everything a music education channel should be. Thanks for all the wonderful classes on everything that sounds like a drum :)
thought of him aaand danny carey....
I listen to Vinnie, not tommy Aldridge
Rim Shots
3:58 Triple Flange
4:03 Die-Cast/Triple Flange
7:30 Triple Flange
7:35 Die-Cast
Die Cast brings the power baybaaayyy!!
"Wooden hoop are for a warm, lower volume sound"
*Danny Carey enters the chat*
Great work as usual! I’d love to see you guys do brass hoops if you end up doing another hoop comparison. Tama makes 2.3mm triple flanged NOB hoops and I’ve had great luck with those on my 402. Just trying to spread the word!
I tend to favor triple flange hoops on my COB snare, probably medium weight (2.3), at least on top.
With varied results I've heard, I think I might avoid die-cast hoops for cost and sound concerns.
I might like to try wood hoops, but I would probably do them on a wood drum.
That might be a project for an extra snare, however the wood hoops are pricey.
I would almost double the price paid of the drum by adding wood hoops.
1st kit as a beginner 35 years ago were RadioKings.
(I know right? Dumb luck. Still have them too.)
I always wondered how much those double flanged "stick chopper" hoops contributed to that 40's RadioKing sound.
(Being nickel over brass and all)
If you hang those brass hoops up and hit Them you get a nice bell like ring verses a steel hoops "clank".
I guess that brass would be the polar opposite of a wood hoop?
can you do a comparison on tom hoops? and discuss sizes of the hoops please?
Now I really need to stop getting snare drums and start buying myself some die cast hoops 😉🤟💪🥁🤓
Really great episodes guys and something I will be diving into more!
I like the combination of the Die Cast Hoops on top and Triple-Flanged Hoops on bottom. Like the Tama Stewart Copeland signature snare drum.
What can you say about the Tama Stewart Copeland snare drum?
Ringo Santos it’s a snare drum.
Great information, and presentation. Keep up the great work.
Great video/test. How does it affect wood drums and Suprahonic brass/bronze drums? Nice you choosed the Supraphonic as a test model.
I have two snares ,an old Premier from the early 60's and a Yamaha maple custom, both have die cast hoops and to be really honest with you there is not a great deal of difference when compared to triple flange ( had so many I've lost count ) .Still I prefer the die cast hoops , however when I changed a Mapex bass drum's metal hoops for good wood hoops , the difference was remarkable totally different drum. So the point is different hoops have difference sounds ,not so much on the snare or I am not hearing it in your comparison ? Great subject.
Love this! Do you think you could do a hoop comparison like this with toms?
That's in the plans! -Ben
Would be awesome to see you playing around with s-hoops and some more highend wooden hoops like walnut. Also, thanks for doing this. I'm currently trying to find the perfect hoop for me.
Definitely more in the works for a video that compares some of the less common hoops out there. Thanks for watching! -Ben
I have a 60s Slingerland snare with a single-flange batter and triple-flange resonant (found the drum like that). I think the batter gets a lot of tone out the head and shell, which I like on older drums. I have a Pearl Philharmonic for concert use that originally had single-flange hoops on both sides. I changed the batter to die cast and it sounds fantastic to my ears.
I have a very similar Supraphonic and it took me a long time to warm up to the triple-flanged hoops because I had been a Slingerland freak for a long time. But now, I've made my peace with the triple-flange and love the "softer" rimshots and openness. But for hard rock, I'll take die-cast top and bottom every chance I get.
Those Slingerland Stick Saver hoops sound great.
Try S-Hoop on top with Power Hoop bottom. I use that mix on two of my snare drums.
I'd love to see a metal vs wood tom hoop vid, if you're looking for an idea. Considering going with wood on one of my kits.
Another excellent video and I look forward to seeing more hoop comparisons! Have you considered doing comparisons on the depth of drums? I'd love a good comparison especially with snares, but toms and kicks would be awesome as well. You guys do such a great job with these videos. Unmatched quality!
The die-cast sound always reminds of Tama snares. Most Tama drums for the last few decades have been made with die-cast and I recognize the crack and instant projection that seems common to them
Great video thanks, wondering how the 30ply hoops would sound with, say, Remo Silent Stroke batter heads… 👏🇦🇺✌️
I've found that die cast on both sides of a 5"-6.5" deep hammered shell has great character and tuning manners over wood shells or non-hammered metal drums. Add on the Hendrix nylon washers with tension rod sleeves, and you won't need muffling on hammered and die cast hooped snare drums.This works on any metal snare drums regardless of material type. (The sensitivity of metal snare drums are my preference)
I use a 300 Evans cranked up on the snare side until the glue cracks, then I back off for tuning taste. On the batter side, I use a coated 10 mil single ply that gets tensioned to 70-90 thousands of deflection on a Drum Dial.
Yes,that's right, .. I TENSION the top for feel on the playing surface, then TUNE the bottom to the key of the song when recording. For live shows, I tune to whatever fits the set list relative to the dominant key in the list of songs. Sometimes I use a Roland TM-2, and trigger elements that fit the key while blending the acoustic sound on top of the electronic layer. Forgive me for cheating a little to ensure the best replication of our songs that we play live by triggering (or call it drum tuning sacrilege), but it works for live shows very well, and I trigger for that instance only.
Love the Supraphonic, but the 61/2 deep sounds so much better imo
Great video! I put a die cast bottom on a maple snare drum just to tame the sustain. Works great!
I put a die cast on my 8x12 rack tom and man it made a huge difference, it's nice and beefy now. It's an old Japanese 80's Tama Swingstar
Super cool stuff 👌🏾
Could you do a video giving tips to Piccolo snare drum tuning SLD team?
Anyway though, keep up the good work, cheers! 👍🏾
Hey Gabriel! Our approach for tuning a piccolo snare isn't really any different than what we've demonstrated in our previous videos, though we may experiment with the extremes of the tuning range a bit more. Maybe we'll do a Snare Spotlight video with a piccolo snare and get into the topic a bit more in the future. Cheers! -Ben
Dearly noted Ben. I will re-watch that video and try a little bit more, see where it takes me. But that would be awesome actually. Maybe some day who knows. Thanks for the heads up Ben and thanks to you and all the team for the brilliant work you are doing. Cheers 👍🏾
@@gabrielnascimento1217 David Garibaldi talks about how he tunes his snare here:
www.musicradar.com/tuition/drums/david-garibaldis-12-funk-drumming-tips-554048
The article doesn't mention how he tunes his batter head, but from another article I read, he only tunes it to medium tension. I don't use any dampening, nor do I de-tune any lugs, but his approach works well for me.
Thank you once again for a great video.. It is exactly what I was doing today.. putting a die cast on my new (used) Black Friday Special Hip Pig.. but now I am contemplating.. On the video I like the overall sound of two triple-flange hoops which totally surprised me.. But it is at least worth checking out the die cast on top.. Love these videos
Die-cast top, wood bottom ;)
Think you skipped over what might be a big revaluation (It's a session drummer secret.) by going triple flanged on the top & die cast on the bottom. It gives you a really clean, articulate tone with a wide range of expression from the batter head & gives most drums a surprising amount of warmth & fatness. Also, you can warm up the sound of die cast hoops by using those white nylon tension rod washers.
Or wood/diecast for that matter
Can you see about incorporating DW's Truehoops? They are supposedly a middle ground, and if you are buying custom a drumkit in the 3.5-7 range chances are you are buying DW over say a Tama Star or Yamaha Phoenix (not that either are bad drums!).
Sidenote, their 3 position buttplate is fantastic and can take my brass snare from hard rock to drums and bass instantly.
Why would you think that someone would Buy a DW over a Tama Star or Yamaha? More specifically on the lowend of the range of $3500 DW gives you NOTHING for your money. $3300 gets you a 3 piece kit with a 20" kick drum with stamped steel claws that touch the hoops and flanged hoops on the toms. At least with Tama you a full 5 piece kit with diecast bass drum claws with rubber linersband diecast hoops on the toms for less than $3300 and they have a stronger fundamental tone due to the slightly thicker shells. If you want anything from DW that sounds as good its considerably more $$$$. I just bought 2 DW 9000 pedals and was expecting them to be made in the USA for the price but was disappointed to see them made in Taiwan. Taiwan makes good quality products but I thought I was paying the premium for made in USA.
NNNOOOOIIIICCCCEEE! Finally! Stoked up.
Nive video! What do you think about my drum hoop comparison video between triple flange, di-cast, and True Resonance Hoops? Cheers mate!
Would you guys consider doing a similar video about bass drum hoops? Or would it be not worth it since most bass drums come with wood hoops?
That's certainly a possibility for our upcoming comparison series!
Awesome! I look forward to it ❤️💛
Do You feel like the workbooks keeps the head sounded better longer because your playing is less aggressive when using wood hoops?
Perhaps? But it is super fun to smash the wood hoops sometimes too, it can go either way :) -Cody
The early Suprahonics had chrome over brass hoops and they do make a difference. Cool vidjo.
Yep! And even some of the early Supraphonic shells were chrome over brass prior to them switching to aluminum. Those are some highly coveted drums now! -Ben
Thank you for another wonderful and interesting video :)
Amazing video as allways !!!!!!
A suggestion to you guys:
Could you maybe mix down the speech a bit softer and/or the playing on the drum(s) louder?
Right now, when I want to hear the sound of a drum, I increase the volume by 10 dB to hear it correctly.
But then there's speech again, which will be really loud!! And so I decrease the volume by 10 dB again.
In my opinion, this is really annoying and maybe should be taken care of.
Aside from that, I'm a big fan of your channel!
Keep up the good work! :)
As is kind of the theme in comments so far. I would be interested in an extended version or series of this video especially covering the wood hoops that are set up with claws (similar to mini-kick drum hoops) as well as exploring more and different combinations. As an example, for my concert hall snare, I have discovered that normal tiple-flange on top with the claw style wood on the bottom can be made to give me the articulating I need at lower volume levels and yet really opens up at greater volume levels without losing the "body" of the drum.
That's something we'll plan to dive into for a future video in our hoop comparison series. Cheers! -Ben
7:59 placebo? Are u expecting it to feel tighter so u perceive it as tighter or ur mind tells u it is? Just a thought
Hey there - I guess what I mean is that when tuned to the same pitch, the head feels stiffer to the touch with the die-cast. It’s been weirdly consistent regardless of which drum I’m using too. - Cody
I could listen to this dude talk for hours
Luckily we've literally got DAYS of videos for you to binge! Thanks for watching!
Awesome and informative vid. Great job
Very nice! Thanks guys, great as always. Would be nice to get some Ludwig COB hoops and/or Yamaha Aluminum cast hoops in the mix as well. The COBs are not uncommon on older supras and the Aluminum cast hoops are a bit more open than normal die cast hoops.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks! Yep, we'll be getting our hands on a variety for some upcoming videos. Cheers! -Ben
One thing I was missing is the answer to the question: Do wood hoops work with every shell material (metal vs. wood shells in general, different metal shells, diffferent wood shells, thickness of the shells etc.) or are there some go-to and not-go-to combinations - Thanks!
What about using only a top wooden hoop on a Wood snare? Is that going to mess up the shape of my wooden snare? Will it be too difficult to tune? Will it stay in tune, see, I play
Jazz -a bit faster with additional smaller percussion instruments on my kit so I don't hit extremely hard.
No you can totally do that, mixing hoop materials won’t hurt your drum or complicate tuning. Frankly I find Wood hoops extra easy to tune because of the flexibility of wood vs. metal. Go for it! -Cody
Love the die cast on top and triple flanged on bottom. Dual die cast really can choke out a snare. If you have a high end snare you dont want to choke out the resonance too much
Thanks for another great video :) Do you have any thoughts on the claw style wood hoops (like bass drum hoops but on a snare) and how they compare to the thicker Yamaha style?
Yes! I have a 7x14” Allegra that has that style and they sound waaaay different. Not sure of the physics exactly but they are very open and the overtones are a bit wilder to my ear. I always used a Remo CS on it back in the day but now it’s in storage. Gotta get it back to work :) also fwiw those thinner claw-style hoops are a lot more fragile by virtue of the rounded edge and less plies. -Cody
Awesome! thanks for the info Cody. I'd love to hear the Allegra some time. I have a Craviotto Super Swing with those claw style hoops. It certainly has a very wide open sound but I have been attributing that to the solid shell, perhaps it has more to do with the hoops. I've been interested to try some others on it but unfortunately none of my others will fit since its an 8 lug drum. This video has inspired me though, I think I'm gonna buy some triple flanged and experiment a bit :)
@@CarlNagy Yeah man, part of that sound is for sure the drum but you'll be surprised how much changing the hoops will alter things. Way fun to mess around with :)
I'm wondering how a DW True Tone Hoop would sound like. It's thick like a die cast (3mm), but a triple flange design. Does it choke up the tone (die cast) but still has some openness to it (flange)?
I liked how it sounded with just a single die cast hoop. Sounds like an inexpensive way to change up the sound of your snare once in a while.
What about "S" hoops?
Is there some special significance to you of the crotchet rest on your forearm? 🙂
Do you think a rusty and oxidated hoop can affect the sound in some way?
Hey there! I’m inclined to say that it wouldn’t change the sound but the rougher surface may wreck your sticks faster? -Cody
@@SoundsLikeADrum intersting i never thought about that.. Yes maybe sticks will suffer a little more but i was more concerned about the sound aspect:I have an old yamaha steel snare with really rusty hoops and body.. I was thinking about put new hoops but.. it ll be just an a esthetically? or maybe also sounds will improve with new hoops of same model and material but new and clean? Maybe more resonance?
Hey, I just wanna thank you guys for the advice you've given me over the past year. I just did my third(and biggest drum engineering/recording session and all the advice Ive gotten from you and othefrs regarding tuning and other stuff really helped. So I recently had a snare drum that the lugs were really hard to even finger tighten and two of the lugs were way higher in pitch even with equal tuning. One lug even got super tight and stopped turning completely, so like you were saying thats likely just a bent or warped hoop eh? what other factors can go into uneven tuning pockets or seizing lugs?
I have that paper light that's behind you, great light.
I guess I like the die cast hoops more, only because music nowadays makes my ears to love that sound. But Pearl has Fat tone hoops, are they good too?
All sounded nice..
Not sure if someone’s already asked, but what are your thoughts on S-hoops?
Another great option! We’d like to include them in a more in depth back-to-back as part of a new comparison series we’ve been dreaming up. We can bring this to fruition with your help! Please consider joining our Patreon: www.patreon.com/soundslikeadrum
Hi. What is the snare drum head used in the video?
Hey there! It's hard to say, we didn't always mark it down back then but I'm pretty sure it's either a UV1 or G1. Either of those will get you the sounds you hear in this. -Cody
Thank you.
Where did you buy the hoops?
Holy shit... I'm gonna go buy a die cast hoop right now 😂
Update: I've had it for 2 months on my 14x8 Black Beauty 😂🤘
Do you have an older wood snare to try these hoops on? A 50's or 60's mahogany with maple tone/reinforcement rings perhaps?
I have a 57 WFL with Slingerland COB sticksaver rims that sounds killer to me. But i'd be interested to hear a similar type snare with the cast and wood rims! I'm thinking the wood rims will be beautiful.
I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't!
Thanks! By the way I just recently found this channel and dig it alot. New subscriber!
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We need a hoop comparison for the toms
GREAT VIDEO ! ! !
Good info! But you should have titled it "Sounds Like a Hoop"!
Thanks for the vidoe
Sorry I'm not sure if you mentioned it in the video but are the triple flanged hoops 1.6mm or 2.3mm?
Hey there! I’ll have to check with Ben (it’s his Supra) but they’re stock 70s Ludwig and original to the drum as far as I know. - Cody
For the rim shot's I actually kinda like the lower pitched overtone's. I know there's abit more overtone's with the wood, but there's something more pleasing about them compared to the metal.
Jesus christ I love the double die cast hoop sound. I've been looking at a 14x7 Black Panther to replace my Tama Steelworks, do you think it'd sound good with die cast?
My DW snare had bamboo hoops and it looked cool but I didn’t care for the sound. I switched to the triple flanged and it’s way punchier now.