Ep. 22 How to Get a Big, Punchy Bass Drum Sound
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2018
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At long last, after many requests, we're on to the world of bass drum sounds. There's a lot to cover and this episode, in it's ~24 minutes of glory, is just the tip of the iceberg.
We wanted to start off with a common modern bass drum size. For this tutorial we used a Pearl Masters Custom Extra Maple 22x16" bass drum. This intention of this episode is to demonstrate quick tips to get a big punchy bass drum sounds that are suitable for R&B, rock, pop, and even some metal musical contexts. We experiment with various muffling methods as well as tuning approaches to achieve everything from a very attack-driven, punchy sound to a large, powerful bass drum sound with greater tonal presence.
Fear not! We'll be diving into smaller (and larger!) bass drums in future episodes with specific tuning approaches for different genres and classic sounds as well as addressing the break-in/seating process and overall drumhead fitment.
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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"Yea thats dead."
Best quote ever
You guys should do a video on learning double bass for beginners.
3:55 wide open (no muffling), batter head finger-tight, reso head mid-range (approx. E)
Muffling:
-7:55 EQ pad only
-11:25 pillow, lateral (shorter, minimal pressure)
-13:05 pillow, lengthwise (longer, maximal pressure)
Tuning:
-17:55 Lateral pillow, batter half turn above finger-tight, reso quarter turn down from original mid-range
-20:20 wide open, batter half turn above finger-tight, reso quarter turn down from original mid-range
-21:50 same as previous with handkerchief draped over reso port hole
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Thank you for this!
It's making my search for a better kick sound MUCH easier.
whats the original mid range in case of the reso head?
@@rainsong7327 the 16 will be 2 inches longer than the 14! Good luck!
Thanks you. I am so f'n impatient and youtube people love to talk hehe.
Watched 21 episodes in a row until 6 am last night, this is the most fact based, informative, and objective take on tuning, tone and just anything drum, sound, mechanic wise I have ever seen! Guys nail every angle of the topic you are doing and make it clear and simple to understand, thank you so much for the work you do!
Wow! Thanks so much for the kind words and for investing so much time in catching up on the series. We look forward to bringing you lots more in Season 2! -Ben
Loved your point about the mics in the room. It's really frustrating when people show you drums or any instrument but it's always the processed sound and not what it's actually sounding like in the room. Was just talking to my friend about that the other day. I appreciate you guys taking that into account :)
Nugget2131 and don't forget about triggers, and I've yet to hear one that has the natural i guess analog sound of the head and bass rather than the flat sounding samples everyone uses. But then again, the people using triggers are using cheap or intermediate and entry level cymbals, so it's not like they are going for quality sound anyway.
I was just thinking this as I hear these mic'd up kits that sound crazy amazing then when the soundboard goes off toms sound out of tune. The snare doesn't sound as tight... Its crazy
This is why I love Drum Center of Portsmouth recently because they ALWAYS have the room mics in their demos that are more closer to ear level on what it sounds like in a roomy environment!
Surely doesn't hurt that you are using one of the best sounding bass drums ever made- Masters. When I was playing out a lot with my early Master's Custom Maple kit (late 90's), I always got compliments on the kick sound. I typically just tuned slightly higher than wrinkled and folded a blanket so it was just touching the heads. I had a port similar to what is on the video. From there, it was just rolling a little of the lower mids/ upper bass out of the EQ and it was always a huge, gut-pounding sound that worked really well with the grunge stuff I was playing at the time.
I'm on to another maple kit now, and it also has a great sounding bass drum. I'm binge watching your channel on how to get a tighter sound out of it, as I'm a little burned out on the big, boomy bass drum sound. It doesn't seem to sit in the mix as universally as a tighter sound would.
Another great bass drum sound I experienced was a 24" Yamaha Recording Custom with full heads on. My drum teacher 30 years ago used to teach on it. The only problem was, with both heads and the tension up a little higher than I like, it was difficult to get single notes out of it. You definitely could not bury the beater, which was frustrating as a beginner trying to concentrate on just getting the basics down.
Did you notice when you removed the damping toward the end of the video that you were getting double notes when you initially released the beater from the head and then when you played the actual note? Any idea what causes this? This is a problem I've experienced with fatter tunings and little or no muffling. It sounds good, but it's difficult to get good articulation unless you use a specific bass drum technique.
One thing I would disagree with you about is the effect the shell has on the tone. I don't believe that the shell actually adds to the fundamental. This is easily proven by putting a transducer on the shell and viewing the result on a spectrum analyzer. I think you will see that the fundamental is almost completely due to the heads. It is true that tuning up from slack activates the shell, but the tone you get is character in the midrange and not increased fundamental. The reason the drum articulates into the room better is that the head tension is allowing increased spring rate from the head, with less internal damping in the head. The fundamental is also closer to the natural resonance of the drum, based on its internal volume. You are more effectively coupling the heads together, and the heads are less lossy.
A parallel subject that I have studied for years is loudspeaker design. The spring rate and the air mass determine the resonant frequency. Tighter head tension creates a more perfect, less lossy, higher tension spring. Tuning up couples the air mass more effectively (the wavelengths of a low-tuned drum are many feet long). It also doesn't hurt that you are likely activating room resonant modes which will enforce the fundamental.
You should study passive radiator loudspeaker designs. There is proven science explaining the relationship between the passive radiator mass (equivalent to the resonant head, in the case of drums) and the air volume internally, that determine the natural resonant frequency. Of course, loudspeakers are created to be as lossy as possible, since resonance beyond the control of the driving amplifier is distortion, but the physics are the same.
I've been binge watching these videos today and absolutely love the thoroughness and professionalism you guys are putting into them.
One thing I'd really like to see is timestamps in the description for the audio demos in each video. I'd really like to flick back and forward to compare sounds more easily.
14:55 lmao. “Hit it with your head” that’s a funny ‘oops’ 😂
Great vid man!
My favourite drum channel on UA-cam, excellent advise as ever. Loved the handkerchief tip!
I know this video is older, but thanks to Ben and Cody for this content. It's super helpful to so many people.
I'm a drum tech for @Blacktop Mojo and I always come back to these videos to brush up on my game. I appreciate the hard work and deep dive thorough/informative/experimental demos you bring to the table man. Cheers.
I gig out alot, in my younger years I would use a pillow and I became so tired of having to adjust that pillow time and time again at gigs from traveling. I wanted to be able to muffle but not have to keep adjusting the pillow, so I went with the Evans emad pillow then I got older and realized that having something to muffle my drums was actually getting in the way of the drums true sound. So I went to totally open, no muffling the toms, snare, and nothing in the bass drum. My problem became solved by going with a Aquarian Super Kick 2 on the batter side and a Aquarian Articulator for the front resonant side. Which might be a strange route due to the fact that the Articulator is a marching bass drum head. I tune both the front and back to finger tight then about 1.5-2 and even 2.5 turns of the drum key to prevent the lugs backing out during play. What I discovered was an amazing and very versatile bass drum sound. From out of the case to stage or studio my bass drum is on point always. I put a kickport in the hole in the front and oh my !?! It made my bass drum sound that much better, my band mates and I were shocked at how much more presence that bass drum had. I did that about 12 years ago and I haven't looked back. I highly suggest this set up to everyone. I have put this combo on all types of bass drums from different companies arranging in all kinds of different sizes with the same amount of success. I urge you guys to try this out it works with all kinds of generes of music and you will have that amazing bass drum sound you've been wanting to have your whole life. I'll add that my bass drum size I use is a 22" diameter and 18" long
What is a kickport?
Such awesome vids. Thank you, I find I watch them multiple times to really gather the info. So helpful 🙏
Another great video, thanks to all of you who make this series so very good - from host to production to all the little details that set you apart from the rest.
I stopped playing drums for some years and am now trying to play again, so I have to tune my drums from scratch. Videos from this channel are _by far_ the most helpful. Thanks for making these!
This was amazing, I started drumming a year ago and I've been looking for THIS video everywhere. You having the room mic uncompressed/EQ'd is what EVERY other video is lacking. I could never tell what my kick was suppoesed to sound like because nothing sounded like it did in real life with my ears. Now I know where to start and what to look for. I can't thank you enough for this video. Tuning drums is hard enough for a beginner and finally I get a comprehensive non eq'd demo of what I was looking for.
Thanks so much for your feedback and kind words! This is exactly what we've been working to produce and for the same reasons. Glad to hear that you found some value in it. Plenty more to come! -Ben
I love this page, the way they teach tuning, they say reality. They make us hear the unprocessed sound of the drum
Covers all the bases I needed to know, in depth, no whistles and bells, perfect. Thanks. ❤️
Dig that middle of the road tension where the open and dampened sounds are all available. Great stuff guys!!!
The turning pillow 90° and porthole handkerchief tricks are huge !
Thank you !
I want to thank you from my heart for this video. I needed it so much.
Thanks you so much for everything you touched on here. Every point and remark added huge value.
Great video once again! I really dug the tuned batter and no muffling. Like you, when I was playing a Pearl export, I used a pillow or egg crate foam though. Those wer the days... duct tape on reso heads too!
Another great vid. Loved the hanky in the port. Gonna try that one!
very comprehensive and VERY helpful!! Thanks!!!
Excellent my man. Great reference for what things DO to the overall finished kick drum sound! Thank you!
Nabster
Really dig the handkerchief draped over the port hole; simple and effective 👌
Great video. You'"ve got a lot of excellent information on your site and a lot of it will help damn near anyone. I've been playing drums since I was five years old, I'm now 62 so that's a lot of years. Keep up the good work.
You're great, man. That's the kind of talk about drums i'd preferred when i was younger. And i also liked you mentioning your "Rockstars", which i played as well for a long time :-) keep on doing this great stuff!
With so many variables you have done a great job of covering a lot of them. Nicely done.
Thanks! We’ll be addressing much more in future episodes. Cheers! -Ben
Tried that towel trick at the back of the batter head and it did give my bass more punch to it
So informational and relevant to working drummers. It took me years to learn that my kit sounded very different out in the house from what was in my face. This led me to tune my toms a little higher, as well as my snare, and to fall in love with really "ringy" drum sounds. It took time getting used to the extra resonance, but the quality of TONE is unbeatable for what I'm doing.
Excellent demo advice.
Great channel. Tips are explained very well.
Excellent explanation. The best explains drums thank you
Super helpful ! Really dig this channel !
not gonna lie; when i stuffed a pillow in my old '91 rockstar with a pair of powerstroke 3s, that was definitely one of my favorite kick tones.
This literally was perfect. Everything important that we drummers need to know was talked about.
Thank you for putting out such great quality content!
Nothing more to say to that.
Thank you so much for your feedback! We really appreciate you taking the time. Cheers! -Ben
The final tuning was my favorite, that drum sound was a absolutely bananas. I liked how the tone changed with the addition / removal of the pillow. All you need to do to change the sound is adjust the pillow- no tuning issues, very useful!
Full, rich, deep and rolling like huge waves crashing on a foggy beach. I like that big sound, just enough tension on the heads to activate the shell of the drum yet still as low and deep as possible. I dug the last tuning the best.
I love this show. Half of the fun for me in playing my drums is getting that sound then playing them. This channel is my jam
So glad to hear it! That’s exactly why we produce this series. Be sure to share the channel with your drummer friends! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum yes sir, I do quite often share your videos. Two friends of mine recently bought new drums sets and we’ve used your videos before going to the music store and literally playing your videos in guitar center gathered around a phone trying to pick the right shell material and what heads to buy. We use your videos a lot while in our little studio and before playing live. Your combined knowledge is a huge help. I’ll share it on Facebook as well to get it out there more. It really is the best most professional view on drums I’ve ever seen on the internet. Almost feels like a school lesson.
Great video.Very useful and informative.Thanks!
Loved this and all of your videos!
Those last two tunings sounded amazing. I’ve mistakenly tuned drums for so long thinking low/loose tuning = fat sound. This is definitely not the case! A controlled, but tonal tuning is much much better sounding!
New to the channel. Love it! Awesome info
Yes I've also to achieve the sound that I like My loosening some of the lugs on the base drum to get it a punchy sound so some of the ideas that you gave me in this video are great especially the handkerchief on the porthole thank you
So good ya'll... Could say so many things, but just really great quality. The pro and aspiring pro worlds, alike, need more of this content. Simply outstanding.
i have said it many times, and will continue to say it.....this is the best overall drum information channel on the net. continued success.
Thanks so much for your support! -Ben
Finally, i was looking forward for this.
Thanks.
Love what you did here with the bass. Gives me some confidence in what I did with almost the same bass drum, but I’m barely a year into my kit and so I’m not always certain in my knowledge.
But I have a 22x18 Pearl Maple Decade and I took out the EQ pillow out because the one made by Pearl doesn’t really properly touch both heads, so I was getting like a full bass shot with lots of reso. So I ended up going with a fake down pillow (I heard fake down is better than real lol) inside the bass and I tightened the batter a little more than you did for the final tuning, but that’s likely because it’s the stock head. I also have the reso head right around where you ended up with yours as well, mine is just the white ported Pearl one that came with it.
I do really like how you turned the pillow sideways so that it touched both heads, but only lightly, but still took up a lot of surface area inside the drum. I think I may change that one detail with how mine is setup because there was definitely a bit more low end and a little more punch to the boom when it was sideways. I like a not really resonant, but still real punchy and basically is just a boom when it comes to bass.
I appreciate the tips.
I have a friend who would tune his batter side to a medium or medium high tension and duck tape a peace of a clear ambassador drum head that he cut out that was about 16". The inside would have some kind of thick sound reducing foam all around the inside. Sometimes he would use a ported reso head or have no reso head. The sound was HUGE!
Also, this video is really comprehensive to get different bass drum sounds. I usually go for Bob Gatzen's "lowest possible pitch" method and call it a day, but this has opened my eyes to some more possibilities.
Great content bro!!!!
Brilliant channel thank you 😊
Wow, dude! Exactly what I needed right now! Thanks for awesome content 👏🏻🍍
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching. -Ben
Liked the lateral pillow idea with that small amount of tuning on both heads...even keeping said tuning and removing the pillow sounded good to me too. Definitely have an idea or two now of what to do with my 22" round kick. Thanks!
Great informative, enjoyable videos.
I'm not a huge fan of open bass drum sounds, but the very last handkerchief trick was just the right amount of 'ring reduction' and the fundamental tone was still there. That was an incredibly simple trick I'm going to keep in my bag! Thanks for the comprehensive video!
One of the best drum channels. You really know your trade
You got it 👍 💪 buddy pearl the best reason why we play Drums 🥁
As usual, good illustrations and suggestions, very helpful to drummers of all sorts of music. One of my favorite muffling tools for rock music is a bedsheet, folded to be approximately four to six inches or so longer than the depth of the bass drum, say 18" for a 14" deep drum, and then laid flat on the bottom of the bass drum. The front and back edges of the sheet near each head can be rolled back to just touch the front and/or back head, can be extended fully and propped against either or both heads for more muffling, and the sheet can be moved towards the head that needs more muffling to allow more sheet to be propped against it. Because the sheet is folded, it has enough mass to muffle without entirely deadening the drum. And, a folded sheet can easily be rolled up to fit through a hole in the front head and then unrolled in the drum. If you have need for lots of muffling, then you can unfold the sheet inside the drum and place more of the sheet against either head. You can also fold the sheet to produce a more narrow muffling point, or to produce a wider muffling point. I usually fold the sheet to a width of 12 inches or so for the side that contacts the head, and then i place a couple of inches against the batter head and let the flat end of the sheet rest on the bottom of the resonant head, which helps get some attack and some resonance from the front head. As far as tuning is concerned, I try to tension the resonant head slightly higher than the front, but not as much higher as for a tom, as that seems to allow the heads to work together to produce a low frequency. A front head tensioned too low, however, will "flap" and won't add much resonance, in my experience. I normally play "off" as that seems to help the low end of the drum with this type of muffling.
Thanks! The bed sheet is another great approach. Might have to make a video detailing a method I came up with that incorporates a similar approach. Cheers! -Ben
Great tip; hand on the shell to feel vibration. Thank you!
An easy way to see if the batter head is interacting with the shell is to hit it with your head... Perfect, I always thought I was doing something wrong! xD
Great episode guys, love this channel and have been subbed since you started... Went through basically all of your videos in the last 3 days and made a Drum Tuning Bible... You guys rock!
Thank you. I have fought and fought with my drums trying to get them to sound "right" (like studio recordings), with nothing but frustration to the point that I began to wonder if I really even liked the sound of drums, or if I just liked the canned after-effects of studio wizardry. This video (in conjunction with those like it) almost becomes like a course in apologetics for what a drum is supposed to sound like within its design limitations. This is a good presentation with great points.
We totally understand! This is one of the reasons why we take the approach to audio production that we do for these videos. We want you to have a realistic expectation of what your drums can actually sound like. Cheers! -Ben
it is also nice to see how much more sound it is possible to get when not burying the batter and leaving the head resonate :)
Hankerchief sound is killer! I'm going to try that out on my Gretsch kit, remove the felt strip. I know it can sound even beefier and warmer than it already does... Thnx!
Another helpful one! To my ear on my monitor speakers, the ear-level mic on the open bass drum by itself (and even the emad-muffled drum) sounded best, but once the pillow went in, the addition of the close mic out front was completely necessary to get a decent sound out of the drum. And I was surprised at how effective draping a handkerchief over the port was. Thanks dudes!
Also, I repeatedly leave this channel feeling inspired to experiment with tuning my drums more. I find myself trying too hard to replicate the way other people tune their drums and it's a good reminder that my room is different as well as my drums.
I prefer the more even (2nd) tuning with no muffling. Probably because that's how I tune my bass drum. I was already planning on picking up an EMAD2 batter head eventually, but I really like the way my kick sounds now. If it aint broke don't fix it! I also like the handkerchief tip as an easy way to tame the boom if needed. Another great video!
Great videoz - new ideas thanks so much
Very helpful! Thanks
For my 22x18 SC Bubinga, I use a Remo Fiberskyn PS3 on my reso pretty loose, with the PS3 clear on the batter semi tight for attack and response and control/ rebound. The pillow inside is long ways following the curve of the drum so it barely touches the heads. I also add a sonic porthole to really add that low end punch coming from the porthole which definitely helps without needed to boost low eq. I just love a loose reso head because it lets the drum breathe but the batter head keeps the attack and strokes articulate and audible over the punchy tuning. Its currently my
go to tuning and head choice.
My 22 inch DW with an eq4 batter with a tiny bit of muffling and Aquarian reso head with no port sounds great. Took a little playing around to get that great sound but well worth it.
Great stuff.
great series of useful information,, thankyou
Thanks for watching! -Ben
I love the emad 2 head. it sounds amazing.
Wonderful information.. thank you so much :)
I've been seeing you uploading for the last year and a half or so and always thought "How cool! I'll get around to watching those...". Finally started binge watching these videos and applying many of these tips and wow... I never say this kind of stuff, but this is now my favorite channel on UA-cam. Thanks for all your hard work!
So glad to hear that you're digging in and enjoying it! When you're ready for more and hungry for some extra content, take a look at our Patreon: www.patreon.com/soundslikeadrum
@@SoundsLikeADrum checking it out now! I'm curious about how (and hoping that) you're getting something back from all the hard work you've been doing producing this content.
We have a presenting sponsor for our Tuesday tutorials (Promark) to help offset some costs but we’re hoping that people will step up to support the channel (and gain access to additional content) via Patreon.
@@SoundsLikeADrum sweet i'll check it out!
Best and most informative. Do a 22" x 22" bass head please. 😁 Thanks!
I use a hole in the front. I tune the front head medium high to high so that it resonates with the shell and then I can tune the batter head any way I like and get a responsive versatile sound. You can tune the batter head dead low and muffle it and still get tone and rebound because the front head will move air and the microphone will capture the overtones. If you start tuning the batter side higher then the drum will start to sing. For muffling I use a small felt towel against the batter head and if I'm playing smaller bass drums than a 22 I will use a felt towel on the outside of the drum (much overlooked technique). The high front head was a revelation for me when I joined a band that plays rock but with dynamics from loud to soft.
Nice! Sounds pretty similar to what we covered here. Cheers!
I like every sound depens on what kind of gig you got my opinion
Epic video!
Good job!
thanks for sharing, cool infos, greetings
Exactly great work get some good news
great channel
I really like your explainations, that makes decisions reasonable. This is helpful for many people, looking for their favorite sound. Are you also singing? Your voice is so unique ;-)
you guys are amazing
Aw shucks, thanks for that!
10:19 Tama rockstar.... 😁 😁 😁 😊 You guys rock!!! I had a pillow in my first ever kit, Tama rockstar too.... But now with a Tama Starclassic.... I don't use anything!!!
Just picked up a star classic today after 19 years with a rockstar. Couldn't agree more!
I really dig these instructional videos of yours.
Appearantly I was allready quite there.
Previous vidoes gave me the idea to add mass to a cheapo tin snaredrum by cutting carpeted flooring tiles to size and bolting them on the inside. Wors like a charm for upcoming jamsessions.
Side note: you have a nice clear batter head on the bassdrum. A picture tells a thousand words. A video tells 30000 words a second. Please show us how you position that stuff inside please.
Nice drum
Thanks for the video and I love to see the 18" bass drum coverage. BTW, I know it's "Sounds Like A Drum" channel but would you consider to do articles covering cymbals, fundamentally and critically, because there're tons of them available yet critical reviews are scarce.
18” is coming up soon and cymbals are definitely in the plans!
Great video, thank you....now checking out the others.. Subscribed!
Very interesting! I'm waiting for a video about bass drum depth
I have Yamaha Stage Custom Standard drums. Ignoring the “custom standard” oxymoron, the bass drums (20”) need no muffling. They are the right material and the right depth to sound awesome as-is. One drum has a Pinstripe batter head, the other an Ambassador. Just wonderful drums. Btw, these are great for rock AND function well for bebop-jazz.
Great video as always. I like the last tuning scheme you demonstrated. As I developed better techniques and a more discriminating ear for tone, I found the wide open kick was the sound I wanted. I also use the EMAD heads for much of my playing, but when I am in full on jazz mode (most of the gigs I play), its a single ply coated head with a bop tuning. My 18” maple kick (with various beaters and strike areas) has glorious tone and either way I am totally content with the sound I get mic’d or not. I look forward to your future video on smaller diameter drums like mine.
Very nice! Keep an eye out for other bass drum sizes too. If you want, you can vote tomorrow for which size you want to see featured next via our Instagram story. Cheers! -Ben
And the other good thing about 18 and 20, especially the 18, is that you can get everything lower and easier to play. Drums might look cool with toms at a big angle but you can get more sounds and easier with them almost level or a slight angle.
My Tama with i forgot what they called them, power or extended shells are so difficult to get in the best position because the shells are so long, but when i got that set with 4 rack toms and double bass, when I was more interested in them looking cool than functionality. But now the longest rack tom I have is 11", almost wish i got it in 10" depth. Because its still a pain in the butt to get the right position with the 20" bass, but not so much with the 18" bass. But I stopped using 22" bass twenty years ago. Functionality and sound is more important than looks. Too bad I didn't realize that the first twenty years i played, but I learned that lesson and changed my thinking for the next twenty years after that (actually that's the last twenty years til present)
Just awesome Cody and Ben!! How useful!! Cadence Independant Media got it going on with the production values. Harumph!! Really really helpful with the micing, you never get to hear what the drums "really" sound like in other vids. The way you guys did it was exactly perfect, just the same as John or Jane Q would do it at home and the sounds were perfectly realistic and sounded very familiar to all of us drummer who have ever said to ourselves that "my kick never sounds like that" or ever wanted to be standing there using our ears during all those demo videos instead of wondering what it really sounds like live in person and being stuck with the sellers production sounds. Of course they will make it sound killer, its for sale. Thanks again yall, you rock. BTW, that Pearl kick is killer and that final wide open tuning was ridiculous! Now if you could come to my house and help me tame my 1987 Remo Encore 22x24 dual kicks I'd be much obliged.
Hahahah thanks man!! Glad it’s workin for ya - I sure wish something like this was around when I was first starting out, no doubt. We’ll keep ‘em comin! More bass drums in the coming weeks :) - Cody
Man these guys are awesome..
Thanks so much! -Ben
if you ever revisit this topic, can I make a suggestion, could you give us an example of the processed sound for each tuning, I know that opens a can of worms as to 'well what kind of processing' but it would give a helpful reference to what you were talking about early on in the video about having that 'processed' sound I our ears already, and we as drummers could relate what we are hearing in our room to what we could potentially do with that sound in post.
mabye the type of eq and compression levels could be for genres of music that use that tuning or alternatively just the best processed sound you were able to get on the day.
love this channel. cheers.
One thing I reeeally noticed is how much more of the pedal noise you hear from the d112 without the pillow in it. That sound drives me crazy in the studio.
2nd one for sure.