12:30 - I meant AM5, not AM4 for the 7600X. Also there is an error with the 8600G and 8700G which sees them performing better than they really do in Baldur’s Gate 3, I will fix this data in a video which will be released in a few days. They’re around 16% slower in that title. Sorry for the mistake, I only just caught it when double checking some of the data.
Your reviewing the 5700X 3D a $200 CPU with a $2000 GPU, How about using the GPU that the person that has to Buy that CPU would really have in their system?
@@robertmacdonald345For the umph-teenth time: That makes no sense. The whole purpose of reviewing any part is to establish a ceiling for the performance that can be expected. So for CPUs, you obviously want to limit the GPU's influence as much as possible by using the fastest GPU available.
I think there's an error with power consumption of r5 5700g in Cyberpunk too. It seems a bit too high. Still you both do some of the best videos Steve and Tim. Thanks for this one. I'm gonna upgrade my trusty r7 1700 oc'ed to 3.9ghz for yeeeeears. Still doing great for everything, but it's time now. Cheers!
Unboxed only implicates ''there was a box'' and in no way dictates whether the box has to be here, there or anywhere after such unboxing phenomenon has taken place.
@@OneDollaBill Socket 7 was even wilder. Because back then we got twice as fast CPUs every two years. AM3 was like AM4, but nobody cared because the last three CPU generations sucked (Bulldozer, Piledriver and Excavator). I stayed on AM3 with a Phenom X6 1100T until the Ryzen 2600X + B450 combo was just too good value to pass up. 7 years with the same CPU is the longest I've ever gone in a desktop (pushing 13 years on my coffee table laptop). However the 2600X only lasted until the 5950X came out because... reasons.... and the 5950X only lasted until the 7950X3D came out because.... DROOL!
Socket 7 or Super 7 was insane. You could even use Intel or AMD CPU's on the same board! I still think AM4 has it beat though. On AM2 though, I went from a single core to a dual core then a quad core all on the same motherboard. AMD has pretty much always had better longevity with sockets.
@@freestalkerdotfr6391 I don't think so. We will get Zen 5 and probably Zen 6 on AM5. AM4 started with an Excavator based "Bristol Ridge", then Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, and Zen 3. That's tough to beat.
What a good journey indeed, went from r5 1600 -> 3700x -> 5800x3D...man it felt so good to get such huge performance gain without having to buy new motherboard
Used a 1700 I bought for £80 in 2019 then to date a 5500. This 5700X3D will be my final AM4 part before I build a DDR5 machine, probably in a couple of years. Having got stuck previously on i7 gen 4 just a couple of years into the platform I'd say AM4 is the platform that just keeps giving. 7 years in and AMD are still releasing new chips, shoot I'm 4.25 years in and that's twice as long as I got from Z70 already, and with a new upgrade out. It doesn't really matter about having the fastest CPU as most of us are GPU limited anyway. This thing's going to run cool at 60FPS, I play must games at that because I mostly play single player games, I imagine frame timings will be impeccable.
I started doing IT in year 2000 and AM4 has to be one of the best platform ever made for consumers, I'm shuffling mobos, ram and cpus depending on the intended PC usage since 6 years now, insane.
Bought my B450 PCB 4 1/4 years ago, best choice I could have made. I bought it because MSi literally guaranteed it would be compatible with all AM4 chips ever released. The build quality was higher than my old z70 board it replaced, that was MSi too and similarly priced when you take inflation into account. How do you compare value if you got in at launch on AM4 and are still using the the same board? It's a decade defining socket for a decade defining CPU architecture. I might buy one of these as my final AM4 CPU, this'll be a nice bump up on R5 5500 I'm using now. Someone going from a Zen chip to Zen3D chip is gonna have a good day when they switch their computer back on.
With AM5, the scenario will repeat and I switched to it cause my AM3 motherboard failed and I wanted to get into this cycle ! Let's the fun begin ! :-D
Still using my B350 launch board. Started with a 1700 non-x, currently using a 3900x. Other than my SSD and one GPU upgrade it's the exact same PC. Pretty hard to beat that.
@@bradenrichardson4269 Funnily enough mate my PC hasn't changed apart from 1 GPU change, 1 CPU change and a couple of SSDs being added to supplement my boot NVMe & HDD storage. Having a long term stable platform has been a revelation for me, and when I platform swap [eventually], most of the bits in this box will go in the next one. It makes my next platform super affordable when I buy it, board, chip, RAM and maybe a new NVMe (I'll make sure the PCB has 2 NVMe slots, waste not want not and all that). I might even rig it up with 2 PSUs to keep using my ye olde 10 year old Corsair unit as that will mean not having to spend as much if I need more power down the line.
I've upgraded my B350 + Ryzen 5 1600 system about a year ago with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D. This has been the wildest upgrade I've seen throughout years of owning PCs - a motherboard from basically 7 years ago chugging along with CPU that matches performance of current crop of mid-range options is just great. For obvious reasons this prevents me from being interested in 5700X3D personally, but it does look like a great, almost no-brainer, option for basically everybody on AM4 with CPU from 3000 series or older.
I use a B450 with a 5500, it might be Zen 3 but it's really 3700X performance in gaming. I'm quite interested in a 3D chip as my final CPU on AM4. 4.25 years I've been on this 7 year old platform, and AMD are still releasing new chips. Best platform ever IMO, what a way to introduce Zen to the masses.
I'm still on a 1600AF that I built at the beginning of 2020, I've really been debating upgrading to AM5 and put it on hold due to cost, but man...this is tempting for sure.
My wife is using 3700x, 3070, and aorus b550 ax with a 144hz 1440p monitor and it's began to show its age. The 5700x3d and a 7800xt should put her right back up to quality settings at 1440p for the next 2 or 3 years.
Feel like it would have been interesting to add some data from older AM4 CPU like a r5 3600 or r7 2700 to have a better grasp of the performance improvement one can expect. That said, I know that there are only so many hours in the day, and you already do a great job that we can only feel grateful for. Thank you again for the quality of your videos.
Yeah they're such popular CPUs still and would be the target audience for such an upgrade. Not including any other AM4 CPUs and a lot of high end chips that are twice the price isn't great. I appreciate the time that goes into benchmarking them all but honestly could have cut half of those tested out for 3/4 AM4 CPUs and had a much more useful data set
love how zen3 availability has remained unbroken, and now they're even bringing an ultra low power x3d variant. AMD is utilizing their AM4 userbase to the max, and it's a win win for all parties involved imo.
@@CheapBastard1988it's still a win for mobo vendor. Simply bcs manufacturing am4 is cheap and am4 still sells volume. The profit margin on these older board is bigger than newer stuff as manufacture tolerance keep tightening.
I got a 5800X3D a couple of months after launch to replace my old R7 2700. Massive difference in every single title and the 2700 was already perfectly serviceable. Allows my 240Hz monitor to stretch its legs.
Same here in Czechia, pretty much the same price as you say. I'm a bit disappointed, probably gonna upgrade my R5 3600 straight to AM5, the 5700X3D and 5800X3D aren't such a good value here, sadly.
Look at any older test from when 5800X3D came out and subtract a small percentage from it. The whole video was really just showing how they are very similar (in gaming)
@@tilapiadave3234 Please point to where in the break-down graph the 5800X3D is over rated? The scoreboard doesn't lie. It held it's own against the 12900k for 2/3rds the price until AM5 was out. It still holds it's own against the 13/14600k in frames/$ today.
@@tilapiadave3234 By that metric a 12100 is currently the best CPU. You get suckage performance for next to nothing, but it wins in FPS-per-dollar. What makes something over rated is not that it is more expensive for less-than-linear gain. What makes something over rated is when everyone thinks it's objectively good, while it actually isn't. The 5800X3D was objectively good when it launched, and it's still objectively good value compared to it's price-peers.
@@andersjjensenAnd it smashes the 12900k and the 13900k in stock trim in both MSFS2020 and DCS while having ultrasmooth frametimes with next to no stutter. Which the intels do in DCS, about every 3-5 minutes, when they core hop to avoid the thermal limiting. Now the 13900K can beat it, if it oc'ed to hell and back with unlimited powerdraw. In anything that is very CPU Intensive like those two, or ACC as shown here, or Arma3 the 5800X3D is very potent even today. DCS in 3440x1440 with an average 177 fps, 179 medium and 1% lows 118, as well as 0.1% lows of 97.3 on most "maps" and still 146-150 averages on the gpu bound Marianas Map just saying...... And that's with me dropoing Clusterbombs, which kill fps in DCS if you drop those, you can see fps drop from 180 straigt to 97 for a second or so. But you'll never notice, unless you are looking at an overlay. AMS 181 fps averages, 188 mediain a Thunderstorm Dirt rally 295 fps average and median fps. Arma 3 135 average and 166 median fps. ACC 142 average and 156 median fps in a Thunderstorm. IL-2 great battles 193 average, 196 median 1% low of 137. (Eberything cranked to max, bar the grass). IL-2 Cliffs of Dover 142 average, 143 median, 108 1% low. Everything cranked to max. And those extremely cpu limited ones are where the 5800X3D might still have an edge, general gaming the 5700X3D should be enough, if the price drops. Germany it's 263 vs 282 euros not even 10%. 18 Euros difference. Slightly more than 5% price difference, so at the moment the 57000X3D is not worth it. However if the 5800X3D rises in price or the 5700X3D goes below 250 euros it would be very good value. If AMD would go 220 or 200, I know very aggressive pricing, it would be an absolute killer. Or a 5600X3D release for 200. That would nuke intel into oblivion....although in germa DIY PC building the last few years hsve already been a bloodbath for Intel, AMD has about 80% Marketshare there right now.
I'm happy with my 5700x which I bought in December for $150. The funny thing is, the 5700x3D and 5800x3D costs the same in my country, so I'm glad I didn't wait for it wishing it would be cheaper.
Lol well this sure definitely did not last. That was basically a launch window only thing, as within MONTHS the price gap became SIGNIFICANT basically worldwide. 🤷 And nowadays you can't even find a R7 5800X3D for
AM4 is legendary! Recently I helped a mate upgrading his 6 years old B350 AM4 with 1600x to 5800X3D and 6600XT to RX 6800. After 4 or 5 BIOS flashes the system was up into his old Win System. He was completetly blown away how fast his rig got.
Same got mine exactly 1 year ago! We can comfortably wait for AM5 components to drop in price. I can run any game at 1440p without any problems what so ever. This CPU is a gaming BEAST!
I think it can easily last well into AM5 and of life. And that's when i am going to decide if i want to stick with AMD or go with Intel since it's a fresh buy of mobo-ram-cpu anyways
@@bwellington3001 The way I like to upgrade as well... Take a peek into next-next gen , and if it's not worth it just get the next gen at low price. So if AM6 or Intel equivalent not worth it get the AM5 :D
Really wish the 5700x was replaced with the 5600x in the charts. The 5700x and 5800x are so similar and a lot of people on the 6 core parts are wondering if they go x3d on AM4 or upgrade to AM5.
my 5700X3D just arrived yesterday and I could not be more pleased upgrading from just a bog standard 3600. I cannot believe AMD has given us almost one full decade of AM4 greatness and just going back and looking at benchmarks from the very first AM4 CPUs to what the socket is capable of now is nothing short of amazing.. I wish AMD's GPU division was even a fraction as amazing as their CPU, and this is coming from a life long AMD fan and a current 5700XT owner. I have a terrible feeling that AMD's GPU division really doesn't have much longer they can continue to dick around in mediocracy before there's no coming back...
I've had my 5700X for 14 months now and so far I haven't felt the need to upgrade. For 1440p I combined the cpu with a 3070 Ti and it's been happily handling all the games I've been playing. Knowing there's a decent performance upgrade now with the 5700X3D is good to know but when it does come time to upgrade, I'm not sure I'd be enticed by such a small percentage gain, even for such a small spend. It's more likely I'll look at a full platform upgrade and will have a squizz at whatever Intel and AMD are offering at that point in time.
I'd hold out as long as you can and when you feel the need, drop in a 5800x3d with a new GPU and enjoy for another year or 2. By then the prices will be even lower.
Oh hell yeah! This is likely what I'll be going to for my garbage tier build, currently with A320-M board and pin-straightened R5 3600! Thanks again for all you do guys!
@@damianabregba7476 no idea but I'm going to find out! My R5 3600 rarely operates over a sustained 35W and everything is very cool. If the 5700X-3D runs at say 50-60W on average I don't think there will be any major issues.
@@boingkster It probably operates at such wattage because of the VRM, the R5 3600 normally consumes like 85 to 90W under load. It's a waste to put such cpus on such a board. That board is good for a homelab but not a gaming PC. The 5700X3D seems pretty expensive for a "garbage tier" build tbh.
Considering how you say repeatedly that these are predominantly upgrades for those with existing AM4 systems, not including any older AM4 cpus in the benchmarking is a big miss IMO.
Is there a reason why you didn't include thr 5600x results? I absolutely think a lot of people might be considering the jump, as am I. The only reason I could think of is the 5700g results are identical? A clarification would be great, thanks.
In Germany, the 5700x3d is ~260€ right now, whilst the 5800x3d is ~280€. So whilst 7% less on a only 4% slower part might technically still be a good deal, its by far not as cut and dry as it may be in other parts of the world.
@@SherLock55 Guadeloupe 5700x3d 310 euros ..... 5800x3d 430 euros . I ordered the 5700 x3d... the French West Indies are definitely not part of Europe 😑
Good review. I have a 5600x so I probably just don't cut it for an upgrade. I know it's not insignificant going from a 5600x to a 57/800x3d but it's still an entire new cpu to fork out for when I eventually get to a point where my current cpu feels sluggish. And at that point I'll probably just go am5. But I'm very happy that AM4 lives on as a "budget" option and kudos to AMD for supporting it so far.
Got the 5800X3D last year for $370 and I'm riding out the end of the platform. Couldn't be happier. This CPU doesn't have a benefit for me, but it's cool to see support for AM4. This platform is a legend since it's had so much support despite all odds. No regrets investing back when I first got the R5 2600.
It would have been nice to add either an AMD 3600 or 3700 to the graphs. That is basically the typical potential buyer I think. Would paint a better picture for them.
@@endrew370 Go back and watch the launch day review of the 5700X to get an offset. Zen 2 to Zen 3 was a pretty massive gaming performance uplift (but less so in productivity) for a single generation, and dumping an additional 20-25% on top of that with V-Cache is precisely why the X3D CPUs have everyone raving hard. You should be looking at about 45-50% uplift in total if memory serves correctly.
@@andersjjensen I actually watched their comparison of the 3700x and intel 9900 vs 5800x3d earlier and saw huge performance gains. A lot of instances where the 5800x3d's 1 percent lows were matched with if not better than the average fps on both of the older cpus which is insane. Yeah so I actually just picked up the 5800x3D instead of the 5700x3d since the next time I upgrade will be a full system maybe in at least 5 years if not more
The lead of the 7800X3D over 13900K/14900K seems to grow with every new test/comparison you release. Do newer games leverage the v-cache more and more? So might this gap even continue to grow?
Cache helps with logic, not data crunching. Logic in games get more and more complex. That's why you see old games only scale with frequency, because they already fit perfectly within the 32MB of the standard models. So yes, I expect V-Cache models to age significantly better.
Thanks for the review, but since CPU is meant for people upgrading from older AM4 parts, i wish that you could have included some older more popular CPU's like 1700, 2600, 3600 to see the difference between older CPU's and this one and make if it worth upgrading or investing a new platform.
Went from a 1600AF to 3700X to 5800X. All on one motherboard by the way. Paired with my 7900XT, I see no need right now to go AM5 right now. Unless a GOOD deal shows up on on a CPU, RAM and motherboard combo.
@@Shatterfury1871That's what I'm thinking. Just ordered a 5800X3D as it dropped in price by 10% after the 5700X3D release. It does sting a bit not having more cores or DDR5, but gaming performance should easily last till AM6. And if nothing else, in in a pretty good position to wait and see how Zen 5/6 X3D turn out.
@Batman-bh6vw I am sitting on a Ryzen 5600 and RX 6700XT and I am enjoying all games at ultra on my 1080p - 60 mhz screen. I do not plan on getting a new screen either, for casual gaming the setup is perfect. Maybe in the future I could drop in a 5800x / x3d and a better GPU but I am more than satisfied.
Just this weekend I upgraded my second gaming PC from a 2600X to a 5800X3D. I was waiting for either the 5700X3D, or a price drop on the 5800X3D. On Saturday it dropped from €320 to €280, so I pulled the trigger. And the improvement was huge! I hope AM5 offers similar longevity and upgradeability to AM4
@@THESHADOW97139 I know this comment is 4 months old now but at Computex AMD officially announced support for AM5 through at least 2027 and possibly for even longer. Your "Max 2025 and..... dead" comment did not age well.
@@jtenorj Indeed, things have changed in recent days 😉 . I am myself on a Ryzen 2600 with RX5700. Next to it, I have an Asus AM4 motherboard (the latest), 32g of memory, the GPU is a 5700X3D (330 euros... for me, it was a bargain at the time) and an RX6800. The unknown for me at the time was the lifespan of the am5 socket... as well as the performance differences. The end of service date having changed, in the end only the difference in performance should remain.... but now, there is a lot of talk about AI, even in the next operating system, see the screens.. .. I fear future headaches with all these technologies (already the am5 and the rx7000 had a bad start in terms of stability).... in the end, staying on AM4 is for me a "reasonable" and financial choice
@@jtenorj Indeed and so much the better for am5 owners 👍. (UA-cam deleted all the great answers I had typed... this platform is exhausting my patience... 🙄)
I'm impressed by AMD continuing to support AM4, it feels like it came out at the dawn of time and still provides decent performance with mature hardware and drivers. I've still got a 3600 in my main PC and have been mulling the upgrade, maybe just a CPU upgrade and keep it for a while longer....
I am loving AMD's idea to manufacture gaming specialised processor, I mean look at how the two top X3Ds just blazing over i9 and i7. If you're just gaming and nothing else, get an X3D.
Could you double check the power consumption graph? In Baldur's Gate the 5700G has the lowest power consumption, which seems right, but then it jumps ahead of all Ryzen CPUs in Cyberpunk. It doesn't seem right
Safe to say you're doubling your FPS going from the 3600. As for the 5600x, we can see the 5700x on the graph, and the 5600x is around 5% slower, so you can treat them almost equally
@@whambodius You're right of course, the difference is much smaller with a weaker GPU, but even with something like rtx 4070, or Rx 7800, the difference will be insane. I changed my Ryzen 5 5600 because even a processor like this can sometimes struggle in CPU demanding titles, and there is a huge, and I mean a huge difference between 3600 and lets say 5700x3d, even getting 40-50% more fps out of your card is great value from my point of view. A lot of people still don't realize this, but even if your processor doesn't have 100% utilisation, it can still bottleneck your GPU, which was the case in my PC. My 5600 was sitting around 40-50% usage in some areas of Baldurs gate 3, and somehow when I changed the processor, my minimal fps went from ~40 to ~70 😄
As a huge NOCTUA of Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed i am happy to see them battle for the best review.. so lovely to FINALLY get the original box.. this time Steve wins!
Got a ryzen 3 1300x and asus prime a320 mobo black friday 2017. Got a used 3600 back in summer of 2021. And i just upgraded to the 5700x3d. This chip was really surprisingly light on power as it only draws 80w under full load with PBO. the value am4 has given me is crazy.
Looks like a solid option to me, would definitely recommend it as an option for those still on AM4 with a lower end CPU as a massive upgrade without needing new memory & a new motherboard.
would have been nice including some more am4 CPUs since I guess this is targeted to people who will be upgrading from 2600/2700/3600/3700 etc. Having so many high end CPUs in this kind of comparison seems redundant since most are like 50%+ more expensive.
currently running a 3600x with a 1070ti on a asus crosshair hero viii x570 motherboard... thinking about upgrading to 5700x3d or 5800x3d with a 4090 or 4080 super playing at 1440p 2k or just put 1 of the gpu with the 3600x for like 6-9months and then upgrade motherboard ram cpu with the new am5 cpu being released at the end of the year...
I was agonizing with a similar question although I have a 3600 and 3090 combo. Decided I don't want to be CPU bottlenecked anymore, just yesterday actually. I'll probably wait for Zen 5 X3Ds to come down in price before considering a further upgrade.
I'm owning a 5800x3d and a 4090 playing on a 4k144 monitor. Generally speaking I'd rather consider going 4080 super at 1440p to avoid some huge bottlenecks with the 4090 which is a way better combo at 4k although it still depends on the games you play.
@@N0wt ya but the thing is with a 4090 your more future proof in 4-6 years down the road you'll have that extra 30-40 fps that will allow you to cross 60fps on ultra in the latest games etc with high refresh rate @ 1440p with gsync on but here in canada there is like 1200$ of price differences between the 2 at the moment so the time of 1600$ usd lucky early buyers of 4090 are long time gone here thats why the 4080 would make more sense or just wait for a 5090 9-12 months down the road too since the 9800x3d is about to be released too
@@Batman-bh6vw ya you should, the new zen5 cpu's are around the corner with probably the 5090 being released in the next 9-12months thats why im waiting too because we could get huuuge deals on currrent 4090-7800x3d-7950x3d too and be good for 4-6 years after that at a fraction of the cost of right now with more stable bios
The one thing missing from GN's review and sure enough HUB has the mighty unboxing experience of the 5700X3D. Many a frame and much respect for the AMD gods to grant us another offering lol
Being an AM4 CPU, it would have made some sense to put a 3000/2000 CPU in to show it as an upgrade for am4 vs nearly irrelevant comparisons of 13900k/14900k
It is not as cheap as I hoped. In Germany, the difference is about 25$. For that price, it is just another good option next to the 5800x3d, nothing special. 262€ vs 285€
A fan, but very disappointed with the video. People who are thinking of buying 5700x3d already have an AM4 build, yet there is no comparison with 2000 or 3000 series CPUs.
Wait... At 1080p ultra a 7800x3d paired to a 4090 can't push more than 80 fps average? I mean I know rt is on, but aren't all those numbers way too low? Not even 60 fps in 1% lows? You sure that chart is actually 1080p?
@@Hardwareunboxedhuh gotcha. And here I was thinking Hogwarts legacy was well optimized (post launch, I remember it being a mess at launch lol). Thanks Steve.
@@davidepannone6021 The high settings have poor CPU optimization, on low settings you can play the game on an i3 10100 well above 100fps and it doesn't even look bad.
I think you should really go in-depth onto the cartonage they used for their box design - maybe even give a cartonage factory tour at some point. I mean, we all like a good box and box-manufacturers play a crucial role in the CPU-business.
I assume that there was a mistake in 5700G consumption. On one slide it was correct, the power consumption was the lowest. But on other slide the consumption was above 500 Watts.
I mean, for 90 percent of the guys out there, a 5600 is more than enough since you can play any current game with it and can spend that 120 premium on a better GPU which is much more needed in most scenarios. However it's nice to see, that there is a (small) upgrade path for all those 5600 budget gamers on AM4.
Yep if we add 250€ to your GPU Budget you can go from a 7800XT to a 7900XT or a 4070 to a 4070 ti super, and still have much better performance with a combo with the 5600X than with a weaker GPU.
That's a big assumption though. A new graphics card is going to be a lot more than $250. If the person already has a decent graphics card, then a better processor would probably be a better buy than saving up for a new GPU. A new GPU isn't going to help you if your processor is bottlenecking you.
Depends on the games you play, the resolution you play at, and the FPS you desire. Personally I only play single player stuff (don't care much for snotty teenagers divulging their desire to have a sexual relation with my mother) and I'm good with 90-120FPS so my 7950X3D + XTX @1440p240Hz setup is decisively overkill. But people who lean much more towards e-sports, MMO and NPC/mops heavy titles benefit more from V-Cache than what is shown here.
@@dashkatae It's the difference between a 7800XT and a 7900XT or a 4070 to a 4070 ti super. If I don't spend on a CPU I would choose the better GPU even with bottleneck should give me more than a weaker GPU.
@@mariop8101 You're missing the point. Not everyone has that kind of money to sink into a new graphics card. The difference between spending $250 for a new CPU to get better gaming performance on an older GPU versus $500+ for a new GPU is a lot for some people to be able to do. If money is no object, then yes, a new GPU probably is the best way to go, but if it isn't and you have a decent GPU and want to get a bit more performance out of your system without blowing the bank, then the CPU would probably be better. A new GPU isn't going to do you much good if you're on a 2600x as you're going to be bottlenecked by the CPU.
We're never going to include MSFS2020 ever again and you can blame the trash-tier Microsoft Store. When changing PC hardware we can't get it to log back in half the time, so we gave up on it long ago.
@@HardwareunboxedDCS is much more CPU demanding especially with Multithreading update and actually can be CPU and GPU limited even on a 7800X3D/4090 system. It scales across 20 or more cores. Sometimes requiring more than 32GB of Ram and more than 14GB of VRAM. Best of all has a standalone version and steam. If you're looking at a proper simulator to benchmark. This is it.
As someone currently rocking a 5800X3D and loving it, I am happy to see AMD continuing to make AM4's last hurrah last longer and longer. Thanks, Steve!
Lol I even saw a listing with te 5700x3d going for 320€. I'd like for HUB to test a Ryzen 5 7500F as that seems to be a great deal at 175€ in EU over this AM4 X3D par, especially if you can sell your AM4 cpu+mobo+ram combo to at least cover the motherboard cost (AM5 is extremely overpriced here as a half decent b650 goes for 180€, while the ideal boards for future upgrades to higher end parts goes for 200€)
It's about £185 now (September 2024 UK) as opposed to £310 for the 5800X3D. I'm going to upgrade from the 5600G I have right now which should be great!
Im slightly bummed I bought the 5700X for my two AM4 systems (1600AF/3600) last year but I was concerned that AMD would be phasing out AM4 after the 5800X3D was introduced. Still, I paid $180 each for two and I got a year of use. When all is said and done, AM4 is going to go down as the best platform for builders since Socket 7. When I built my current system in early 2020 I called it my "Decade Build" thinking I would drop in the last AM4 processor and it would still be useful as a retro gaming system in 2030. At this rate it might still be my daily driver in 2030. It will be interesting to see if AM4 can match the i7 47xx series for longevity as "good enough" for gaming.
I've seen the 5800X3D drop to as low as $290 at times, which makes the 5700 version slightly less compelling. However, if the newer part can hit, say $220, it's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
That final bit about GN appreciating your traffic going there and saying that the box has made your review more premium than theirs...BRILLIANT MOVE! lol Just be careful though. Their Steve is like a guy that would go through your bins for the truth on something lmao
I can assure you the upgrade will blow your mind. I went from 3600 to 5800X3D and it has been a jaw dropping performance increase. Just be sure to pocket a lil extra for a decent cooler or a 280mm rad to cool this beast!
Hi Steve loved the review; will always get your opinion 1st when it comes to value and performance. Upgrading my Son's CPU for the last time on his Aorus B550 Pro MATX motherboard. 5700X3D appears to be an excellent value and will allow the AM4 hardware to maintain performance into the future. Thank you Steve for the analysis and your opinion (highly valued) is always appreciated. Capecod, MA USA
My kids are both on a 5600G. Looking at getting them dedicated GPUs this year. I'm liking the idea of upgrading them to a 5700X3D sometime after so they can handle a faster GPU. That seems like a decent upgrade path for them as time goes on.
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12:30 - I meant AM5, not AM4 for the 7600X.
Also there is an error with the 8600G and 8700G which sees them performing better than they really do in Baldur’s Gate 3, I will fix this data in a video which will be released in a few days. They’re around 16% slower in that title. Sorry for the mistake, I only just caught it when double checking some of the data.
Damn, there go my plans of buying a 8600g for gaming /s
Your reviewing the 5700X 3D a $200 CPU with a $2000 GPU, How about using the GPU that the person that has to Buy that CPU would really have in their system?
That destroys any comparison of the CPU though. Then any testing data is useless when comparing it to any other CPU.@@robertmacdonald345
@@robertmacdonald345For the umph-teenth time: That makes no sense. The whole purpose of reviewing any part is to establish a ceiling for the performance that can be expected. So for CPUs, you obviously want to limit the GPU's influence as much as possible by using the fastest GPU available.
I think there's an error with power consumption of r5 5700g in Cyberpunk too. It seems a bit too high. Still you both do some of the best videos Steve and Tim. Thanks for this one. I'm gonna upgrade my trusty r7 1700 oc'ed to 3.9ghz for yeeeeears. Still doing great for everything, but it's time now. Cheers!
Of course having the box is far more important, its Hardware Unboxed not Hardware without a box
Underrated comment 😂
Yeah You can't unbox if you have no box.
Should be called hardware already unboxed
Unboxed only implicates ''there was a box'' and in no way dictates whether the box has to be here, there or anywhere after such unboxing phenomenon has taken place.
welcome back to Hardware Notboxed
I'm glad they actually made the 5700X3D and it wasn't just another rumour. The AM4 platform was the best.
Arguably it still is the best.
Still is the best. 😜
AMD being smart and selling "waste" silicon instead of throwing it away
I really hope AMD gives the same level of commitment to the AM5 platform.
@@GewelReal Try harder troll.
AM4 has developed into one of the most legendary sockets ever.
For modern era support wise most definitely. I dont know if there was some similar sockets in the 90s but that was long time ago
AM5 will probably do it
@@OneDollaBill Socket 7 was even wilder. Because back then we got twice as fast CPUs every two years. AM3 was like AM4, but nobody cared because the last three CPU generations sucked (Bulldozer, Piledriver and Excavator). I stayed on AM3 with a Phenom X6 1100T until the Ryzen 2600X + B450 combo was just too good value to pass up. 7 years with the same CPU is the longest I've ever gone in a desktop (pushing 13 years on my coffee table laptop). However the 2600X only lasted until the 5950X came out because... reasons.... and the 5950X only lasted until the 7950X3D came out because.... DROOL!
Socket 7 or Super 7 was insane. You could even use Intel or AMD CPU's on the same board! I still think AM4 has it beat though. On AM2 though, I went from a single core to a dual core then a quad core all on the same motherboard. AMD has pretty much always had better longevity with sockets.
@@freestalkerdotfr6391 I don't think so. We will get Zen 5 and probably Zen 6 on AM5. AM4 started with an Excavator based "Bristol Ridge", then Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, and Zen 3. That's tough to beat.
AM4 be like " I didn't hear no bell "
😂😂
🤣
AM4 is a dead Platform. then AMD releases more CPUs
@@Maddsyz27? People are still upgrading within it to save money. They'll like upgrade come the next socket or near the end of AM5
@@Maddsyz27What is the point of your comment again?
I've had 1700, two 2200gs, 2600 now have 3700x and soon will have a 5700x3d on the same platform over the last 7 years. what a journey am4
same, had 2200g, 1600AF, now 5700X3D lol
What a good journey indeed, went from r5 1600 -> 3700x -> 5800x3D...man it felt so good to get such huge performance gain without having to buy new motherboard
I went from 1700 to two 5600 . Waiting for ryzen 9000 series to rebuild my 2 rig
What the heck man I have a 2700
Used a 1700 I bought for £80 in 2019 then to date a 5500. This 5700X3D will be my final AM4 part before I build a DDR5 machine, probably in a couple of years. Having got stuck previously on i7 gen 4 just a couple of years into the platform I'd say AM4 is the platform that just keeps giving. 7 years in and AMD are still releasing new chips, shoot I'm 4.25 years in and that's twice as long as I got from Z70 already, and with a new upgrade out. It doesn't really matter about having the fastest CPU as most of us are GPU limited anyway. This thing's going to run cool at 60FPS, I play must games at that because I mostly play single player games, I imagine frame timings will be impeccable.
I started doing IT in year 2000 and AM4 has to be one of the best platform ever made for consumers, I'm shuffling mobos, ram and cpus depending on the intended PC usage since 6 years now, insane.
Bought my B450 PCB 4 1/4 years ago, best choice I could have made. I bought it because MSi literally guaranteed it would be compatible with all AM4 chips ever released. The build quality was higher than my old z70 board it replaced, that was MSi too and similarly priced when you take inflation into account. How do you compare value if you got in at launch on AM4 and are still using the the same board? It's a decade defining socket for a decade defining CPU architecture. I might buy one of these as my final AM4 CPU, this'll be a nice bump up on R5 5500 I'm using now. Someone going from a Zen chip to Zen3D chip is gonna have a good day when they switch their computer back on.
With AM5, the scenario will repeat and I switched to it cause my AM3 motherboard failed and I wanted to get into this cycle ! Let's the fun begin ! :-D
@@freestalkerdotfr6391 It will probably not. AMD is not that optimistic about it's lifetime so far.
Still using my B350 launch board. Started with a 1700 non-x, currently using a 3900x. Other than my SSD and one GPU upgrade it's the exact same PC. Pretty hard to beat that.
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Funnily enough mate my PC hasn't changed apart from 1 GPU change, 1 CPU change and a couple of SSDs being added to supplement my boot NVMe & HDD storage. Having a long term stable platform has been a revelation for me, and when I platform swap [eventually], most of the bits in this box will go in the next one. It makes my next platform super affordable when I buy it, board, chip, RAM and maybe a new NVMe (I'll make sure the PCB has 2 NVMe slots, waste not want not and all that). I might even rig it up with 2 PSUs to keep using my ye olde 10 year old Corsair unit as that will mean not having to spend as much if I need more power down the line.
Peasant Gamer Nexus with his naked 5700X3D could never compete !
I've upgraded my B350 + Ryzen 5 1600 system about a year ago with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D. This has been the wildest upgrade I've seen throughout years of owning PCs - a motherboard from basically 7 years ago chugging along with CPU that matches performance of current crop of mid-range options is just great.
For obvious reasons this prevents me from being interested in 5700X3D personally, but it does look like a great, almost no-brainer, option for basically everybody on AM4 with CPU from 3000 series or older.
I use a B450 with a 5500, it might be Zen 3 but it's really 3700X performance in gaming. I'm quite interested in a 3D chip as my final CPU on AM4. 4.25 years I've been on this 7 year old platform, and AMD are still releasing new chips. Best platform ever IMO, what a way to introduce Zen to the masses.
Careful, you might need to change the caps soon!
I have a 3900x CPU and would a 5800x3D be better? Any info appreciated
I'm still on a 1600AF that I built at the beginning of 2020, I've really been debating upgrading to AM5 and put it on hold due to cost, but man...this is tempting for sure.
@@skilletpan5674 The bad caps problem has been gone for a long time.
Of curse this review came later than GN's, after all you spent a week unboxing it. :D
My wife is using 3700x, 3070, and aorus b550 ax with a 144hz 1440p monitor and it's began to show its age. The 5700x3d and a 7800xt should put her right back up to quality settings at 1440p for the next 2 or 3 years.
What about 5700x3d + 7800xt in 1080p? Will it last for 5yrs then in ultra quality settings
I'm doing something similar going from a 5600g, 6600 and asrock b550m and 165hz 1440p monitor to the 5700x3d and 7800xt tomorrow and can't wait.
Good hardware choices. I approve hahaha. 😁
Feel like it would have been interesting to add some data from older AM4 CPU like a r5 3600 or r7 2700 to have a better grasp of the performance improvement one can expect. That said, I know that there are only so many hours in the day, and you already do a great job that we can only feel grateful for. Thank you again for the quality of your videos.
Yeah they're such popular CPUs still and would be the target audience for such an upgrade. Not including any other AM4 CPUs and a lot of high end chips that are twice the price isn't great. I appreciate the time that goes into benchmarking them all but honestly could have cut half of those tested out for 3/4 AM4 CPUs and had a much more useful data set
Gamers nexus deliberately did a comparison with older AM4 GPUs in their review so if you want to know then it's worth popping over there.
@@misterthegeoff9767 haven't had time to take a look at the GN review yet, it's on my playlist though. Glad they did. Thanks for the info.
If you come from a 2600x, you are doubling your fps
love how zen3 availability has remained unbroken, and now they're even bringing an ultra low power x3d variant. AMD is utilizing their AM4 userbase to the max, and it's a win win for all parties involved imo.
Well... Maybe not a win for the motherboard manufacturers.😂
@@CheapBastard1988it's still a win for mobo vendor. Simply bcs manufacturing am4 is cheap and am4 still sells volume.
The profit margin on these older board is bigger than newer stuff as manufacture tolerance keep tightening.
The box is important Steve and for that reason your review is better. As a collector I like to have the box!
I got a 5800X3D a couple of months after launch to replace my old R7 2700. Massive difference in every single title and the 2700 was already perfectly serviceable. Allows my 240Hz monitor to stretch its legs.
In Europe (Austria) the 5700x3d (€265) is only 22 euro cheaper than the 5800x3d (€287), which makes it pretty redundant
Same in Hungary, 109 000 HUF vs 116 000 HUF, I was hoping to get at least a new cooler from the difference.
Same here in Czechia, pretty much the same price as you say. I'm a bit disappointed, probably gonna upgrade my R5 3600 straight to AM5, the 5700X3D and 5800X3D aren't such a good value here, sadly.
For me it was more like 40 EUR difference, so I got the 5700x3d instead
Yeah same here in the UK less than £30 for new prices or just £10 more if I get it from cex which they also do a 24 month warranty
Do you wanna get a good laugh? Amazon Italy now : 330 vs 306 . What a joke our market....
The box made this review worth it , WP guys. xD
Pity you did not include the 5600X as that was and is a staple on AM4.
I would have liked to have seen the previous gen parts, as honestly upgraders will likely be coming from like a 2600/3700 type base.
yeah, i have the 5600 (non x) and was wondering if the upgrade worth it,
Look at any older test from when 5800X3D came out and subtract a small percentage from it. The whole video was really just showing how they are very similar (in gaming)
@@COLOFIDUTI it will its already 20% and faster that the 5700x which is already faster than your non x 5600
7600x might be that for am5 in the future or perhaps the 9600x
HUB Steve: "Thanks, Steve!".
GN Steve: "Back to you, Steve!".
Already part of the 5800X3D master race. Great to see AMD offering an even cheaper AM4 upgrade path.
@@tilapiadave3234 Please point to where in the break-down graph the 5800X3D is over rated? The scoreboard doesn't lie. It held it's own against the 12900k for 2/3rds the price until AM5 was out. It still holds it's own against the 13/14600k in frames/$ today.
@@tilapiadave3234 By that metric a 12100 is currently the best CPU. You get suckage performance for next to nothing, but it wins in FPS-per-dollar. What makes something over rated is not that it is more expensive for less-than-linear gain. What makes something over rated is when everyone thinks it's objectively good, while it actually isn't. The 5800X3D was objectively good when it launched, and it's still objectively good value compared to it's price-peers.
@@andersjjensenAnd it smashes the 12900k and the 13900k in stock trim in both MSFS2020 and DCS while having ultrasmooth frametimes with next to no stutter.
Which the intels do in DCS, about every 3-5 minutes, when they core hop to avoid the thermal limiting. Now the 13900K can beat it, if it oc'ed to hell and back with unlimited powerdraw.
In anything that is very CPU Intensive like those two, or ACC as shown here, or Arma3 the 5800X3D is very potent even today.
DCS in 3440x1440 with an average 177 fps, 179 medium and 1% lows 118, as well as 0.1% lows of 97.3 on most "maps" and still 146-150 averages on the gpu bound Marianas Map just saying......
And that's with me dropoing Clusterbombs, which kill fps in DCS if you drop those, you can see fps drop from 180 straigt to 97 for a second or so. But you'll never notice, unless you are looking at an overlay.
AMS 181 fps averages, 188 mediain a Thunderstorm
Dirt rally 295 fps average and median fps.
Arma 3 135 average and 166 median fps.
ACC 142 average and 156 median fps in a Thunderstorm.
IL-2 great battles 193 average, 196 median 1% low of 137.
(Eberything cranked to max, bar the grass).
IL-2 Cliffs of Dover 142 average, 143 median, 108 1% low.
Everything cranked to max.
And those extremely cpu limited ones are where the 5800X3D might still have an edge, general gaming the 5700X3D should be enough, if the price drops.
Germany it's 263 vs 282 euros not even 10%. 18 Euros difference.
Slightly more than 5% price difference, so at the moment the 57000X3D is not worth it.
However if the 5800X3D rises in price or the 5700X3D goes below 250 euros it would be very good value.
If AMD would go 220 or 200, I know very aggressive pricing, it would be an absolute killer.
Or a 5600X3D release for 200.
That would nuke intel into oblivion....although in germa DIY PC building the last few years hsve already been a bloodbath for Intel, AMD has about 80% Marketshare there right now.
@@tilapiadave3234 most over rated cpu? What cpu are you talking about?
@@tilapiadave3234 nah you're just a troll
To put it in GN Steve's terms, this review has +Inf% more CPU boxes than the GN review :)
A box is important! It has a X.
GN Steve said himself, more X more better.
I'm happy with my 5700x which I bought in December for $150. The funny thing is, the 5700x3D and 5800x3D costs the same in my country, so I'm glad I didn't wait for it wishing it would be cheaper.
Lol well this sure definitely did not last. That was basically a launch window only thing, as within MONTHS the price gap became SIGNIFICANT basically worldwide. 🤷
And nowadays you can't even find a R7 5800X3D for
@@Cooe. Well, its still like 60 bucks more here, and with a 3060ti the difference wouldnt even be that much.
@Nick-nf1kd ... $/€60 is HUGE when talking about
AM4 is legendary! Recently I helped a mate upgrading his 6 years old B350 AM4 with 1600x to 5800X3D and 6600XT to RX 6800. After 4 or 5 BIOS flashes the system was up into his old Win System. He was completetly blown away how fast his rig got.
Its still mindblowing how ridicously fast is 7800x3D
I love my 5800x3d. I picked it up on sale last year and I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon.
Same got mine exactly 1 year ago! We can comfortably wait for AM5 components to drop in price. I can run any game at 1440p without any problems what so ever. This CPU is a gaming BEAST!
I think it can easily last well into AM5 and of life. And that's when i am going to decide if i want to stick with AMD or go with Intel since it's a fresh buy of mobo-ram-cpu anyways
@@bwellington3001 The way I like to upgrade as well... Take a peek into next-next gen , and if it's not worth it just get the next gen at low price. So if AM6 or Intel equivalent not worth it get the AM5 :D
@@bwellington3001Yeah for gaming, the 3D cache is going to carry it no problems.
"Thanks, Steve." The retail box was an unexpected treat!
Really wish the 5700x was replaced with the 5600x in the charts.
The 5700x and 5800x are so similar and a lot of people on the 6 core parts are wondering if they go x3d on AM4 or upgrade to AM5.
Agreed, 5600X feels like the true working class.
my 5700X3D just arrived yesterday and I could not be more pleased upgrading from just a bog standard 3600.
I cannot believe AMD has given us almost one full decade of AM4 greatness and just going back and looking at benchmarks from the very first AM4 CPUs to what the socket is capable of now is nothing short of amazing..
I wish AMD's GPU division was even a fraction as amazing as their CPU, and this is coming from a life long AMD fan and a current 5700XT owner. I have a terrible feeling that AMD's GPU division really doesn't have much longer they can continue to dick around in mediocracy before there's no coming back...
Great review and great to see an aussie channel. After watching upgraded from 3600x to 5700x3d. Thanks!
I've had my 5700X for 14 months now and so far I haven't felt the need to upgrade. For 1440p I combined the cpu with a 3070 Ti and it's been happily handling all the games I've been playing. Knowing there's a decent performance upgrade now with the 5700X3D is good to know but when it does come time to upgrade, I'm not sure I'd be enticed by such a small percentage gain, even for such a small spend. It's more likely I'll look at a full platform upgrade and will have a squizz at whatever Intel and AMD are offering at that point in time.
I'd hold out as long as you can and when you feel the need, drop in a 5800x3d with a new GPU and enjoy for another year or 2. By then the prices will be even lower.
With "only" a 3070 Ti and especially for 1440p it would just be a sidegrade.
Oh hell yeah! This is likely what I'll be going to for my garbage tier build, currently with A320-M board and pin-straightened R5 3600!
Thanks again for all you do guys!
Will VRM handle the heat? Thinking about doing the same
I dumpster-dived a 4090 yesterday! It was still expensive :( and smelled of rats and
@@damianabregba7476Just add a heatsinks to vrms and some fans at low rpm and ypu are golden
@@damianabregba7476 no idea but I'm going to find out! My R5 3600 rarely operates over a sustained 35W and everything is very cool. If the 5700X-3D runs at say 50-60W on average I don't think there will be any major issues.
@@boingkster It probably operates at such wattage because of the VRM, the R5 3600 normally consumes like 85 to 90W under load. It's a waste to put such cpus on such a board. That board is good for a homelab but not a gaming PC. The 5700X3D seems pretty expensive for a "garbage tier" build tbh.
This just further made me love the 7800X3D. I'm gonna stick with that for my next build.
If I would build a new PC I definitely would get the 7800X3D!
the Cost per frame with MB and RAM prices is topnotch consideration. GOAT reviewer
Please be my dad Steve.
Only if you call me daddy
xD
Christian Cage noises
Looool
Most constructive comment of all time
Considering how you say repeatedly that these are predominantly upgrades for those with existing AM4 systems, not including any older AM4 cpus in the benchmarking is a big miss IMO.
Is there a reason why you didn't include thr 5600x results?
I absolutely think a lot of people might be considering the jump, as am I.
The only reason I could think of is the 5700g results are identical?
A clarification would be great, thanks.
In Germany, the 5700x3d is ~260€ right now, whilst the 5800x3d is ~280€. So whilst 7% less on a only 4% slower part might technically still be a good deal, its by far not as cut and dry as it may be in other parts of the world.
Sérieux ??!! 😦
Yeh that's crazy, might as well just go the 5800X3D at that price difference. Here in Aus it can be had at $155 cheaper, so good bang for buck.
@@SherLock55 Guadeloupe 5700x3d 310 euros ..... 5800x3d 430 euros .
I ordered the 5700 x3d... the French West Indies are definitely not part of Europe 😑
I guess it depends which country. I've managed to save 75 euro difference which is already absolutely worth the 4% difference.
now its 200€
Good review.
I have a 5600x so I probably just don't cut it for an upgrade. I know it's not insignificant going from a 5600x to a 57/800x3d but it's still an entire new cpu to fork out for when I eventually get to a point where my current cpu feels sluggish. And at that point I'll probably just go am5. But I'm very happy that AM4 lives on as a "budget" option and kudos to AMD for supporting it so far.
Got the 5800X3D last year for $370 and I'm riding out the end of the platform. Couldn't be happier. This CPU doesn't have a benefit for me, but it's cool to see support for AM4. This platform is a legend since it's had so much support despite all odds. No regrets investing back when I first got the R5 2600.
It would have been nice to add either an AMD 3600 or 3700 to the graphs. That is basically the typical potential buyer I think. Would paint a better picture for them.
I agree. I have a 3700x and seeing these performance charts, I'm wondering if I could squeeze more fps, especially the fps lows, on apex and warzone
@@endrew370 Go back and watch the launch day review of the 5700X to get an offset. Zen 2 to Zen 3 was a pretty massive gaming performance uplift (but less so in productivity) for a single generation, and dumping an additional 20-25% on top of that with V-Cache is precisely why the X3D CPUs have everyone raving hard. You should be looking at about 45-50% uplift in total if memory serves correctly.
@@andersjjensen I actually watched their comparison of the 3700x and intel 9900 vs 5800x3d earlier and saw huge performance gains. A lot of instances where the 5800x3d's 1 percent lows were matched with if not better than the average fps on both of the older cpus which is insane. Yeah so I actually just picked up the 5800x3D instead of the 5700x3d since the next time I upgrade will be a full system maybe in at least 5 years if not more
It's been a while since the last time we saw a big CPU comparison from HUB, these are always interesting to watch.
The lead of the 7800X3D over 13900K/14900K seems to grow with every new test/comparison you release.
Do newer games leverage the v-cache more and more? So might this gap even continue to grow?
Cache helps with logic, not data crunching. Logic in games get more and more complex. That's why you see old games only scale with frequency, because they already fit perfectly within the 32MB of the standard models. So yes, I expect V-Cache models to age significantly better.
Thanks for the review, but since CPU is meant for people upgrading from older AM4 parts, i wish that you could have included some older more popular CPU's like 1700, 2600, 3600 to see the difference between older CPU's and this one and make if it worth upgrading or investing a new platform.
I just upgraded from a 1600. And went from 16G to 32G ram. It's like they put a rocket in my computer.
Went from a 1600AF to 3700X to 5800X. All on one motherboard by the way. Paired with my 7900XT, I see no need right now to go AM5 right now. Unless a GOOD deal shows up on on a CPU, RAM and motherboard combo.
Jump all the way to AM 6 I say.
The cambo you have cam power through a few years.
@@Shatterfury1871That's what I'm thinking. Just ordered a 5800X3D as it dropped in price by 10% after the 5700X3D release. It does sting a bit not having more cores or DDR5, but gaming performance should easily last till AM6. And if nothing else, in in a pretty good position to wait and see how Zen 5/6 X3D turn out.
@Batman-bh6vw
I am sitting on a Ryzen 5600 and RX 6700XT and I am enjoying all games at ultra on my 1080p - 60 mhz screen.
I do not plan on getting a new screen either, for casual gaming the setup is perfect.
Maybe in the future I could drop in a 5800x / x3d and a better GPU but I am more than satisfied.
Just this weekend I upgraded my second gaming PC from a 2600X to a 5800X3D. I was waiting for either the 5700X3D, or a price drop on the 5800X3D. On Saturday it dropped from €320 to €280, so I pulled the trigger. And the improvement was huge! I hope AM5 offers similar longevity and upgradeability to AM4
Max 2025 and..... dead
@@THESHADOW97139 I know this comment is 4 months old now but at Computex AMD officially announced support for AM5 through at least 2027 and possibly for even longer.
Your "Max 2025 and..... dead" comment did not age well.
@@jtenorj Indeed, things have changed in recent days 😉 .
I am myself on a Ryzen 2600 with RX5700.
Next to it, I have an Asus AM4 motherboard (the latest), 32g of memory, the GPU is a 5700X3D (330 euros... for me, it was a bargain at the time) and an RX6800.
The unknown for me at the time was the lifespan of the am5 socket... as well as the performance differences.
The end of service date having changed, in the end only the difference in performance should remain.... but now, there is a lot of talk about AI, even in the next operating system, see the screens.. .. I fear future headaches with all these technologies (already the am5 and the rx7000 had a bad start in terms of stability).... in the end, staying on AM4 is for me a "reasonable" and financial choice
@@jtenorj Indeed and so much the better for am5 owners 👍.
(UA-cam deleted all the great answers I had typed... this platform is exhausting my patience... 🙄)
I'm impressed by AMD continuing to support AM4, it feels like it came out at the dawn of time and still provides decent performance with mature hardware and drivers. I've still got a 3600 in my main PC and have been mulling the upgrade, maybe just a CPU upgrade and keep it for a while longer....
100%. 5700x3d is the perfect upgrade
I am loving AMD's idea to manufacture gaming specialised processor, I mean look at how the two top X3Ds just blazing over i9 and i7. If you're just gaming and nothing else, get an X3D.
what about streaming too?
ever thought of putting an interactive chart on your website where we can toggle specific cpu's on and off to only have the ones we want to compare?
It's nice that the 5700x3d is cheaper than the 5800x3d in Oz, but still a hard sell at $419 VS a 5700x at like $250-270, or a 5600 at $195
This is just launch rush. Give it a couple of weeks.
@@andersjjensen Eh... 5700s are priced identical to 5700xs because the 5700xs are all on 'sale'
Could you double check the power consumption graph? In Baldur's Gate the 5700G has the lowest power consumption, which seems right, but then it jumps ahead of all Ryzen CPUs in Cyberpunk. It doesn't seem right
Benchmarks from lower cpus would've been more helpful as we could get an estimate of the uplift from things like 5600x, 3600, etc.
Safe to say you're doubling your FPS going from the 3600. As for the 5600x, we can see the 5700x on the graph, and the 5600x is around 5% slower, so you can treat them almost equally
@@oskarniklas5061 Doubling your FPS with a 4090? Because I don't think many people going from 3600 to something like 5700x3d have the 4090 monies XD
@@whambodius You're right of course, the difference is much smaller with a weaker GPU, but even with something like rtx 4070, or Rx 7800, the difference will be insane. I changed my Ryzen 5 5600 because even a processor like this can sometimes struggle in CPU demanding titles, and there is a huge, and I mean a huge difference between 3600 and lets say 5700x3d, even getting 40-50% more fps out of your card is great value from my point of view. A lot of people still don't realize this, but even if your processor doesn't have 100% utilisation, it can still bottleneck your GPU, which was the case in my PC. My 5600 was sitting around 40-50% usage in some areas of Baldurs gate 3, and somehow when I changed the processor, my minimal fps went from ~40 to ~70 😄
5600x not being on the cost per frame chart is criminal
A smidgeon dissapointed the 5600x wasn't included.
Just look at the 5700x in the gaming charts same same
@jurgengalke8127 mostly the same but not always. I wish they would bench DCS, too.
2:50 how does 8700G beats 7700X and all of the normal Zen 4 cpus despite having half the L3 cache here? Is this a game issue?
As a huge NOCTUA of Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed i am happy to see them battle for the best review.. so lovely to FINALLY get the original box.. this time Steve wins!
Steve always wins, now back to you Steve!
Got a ryzen 3 1300x and asus prime a320 mobo black friday 2017. Got a used 3600 back in summer of 2021. And i just upgraded to the 5700x3d. This chip was really surprisingly light on power as it only draws 80w under full load with PBO. the value am4 has given me is crazy.
Thanks Steve ! 😎👍
Looks like a solid option to me, would definitely recommend it as an option for those still on AM4 with a lower end CPU as a massive upgrade without needing new memory & a new motherboard.
would have been nice including some more am4 CPUs since I guess this is targeted to people who will be upgrading from 2600/2700/3600/3700 etc. Having so many high end CPUs in this kind of comparison seems redundant since most are like 50%+ more expensive.
The “box” review. Always excellent.
currently running a 3600x with a 1070ti on a asus crosshair hero viii x570 motherboard... thinking about upgrading to 5700x3d or 5800x3d with a 4090 or 4080 super playing at 1440p 2k or just put 1 of the gpu with the 3600x for like 6-9months and then upgrade motherboard ram cpu with the new am5 cpu being released at the end of the year...
I was agonizing with a similar question although I have a 3600 and 3090 combo. Decided I don't want to be CPU bottlenecked anymore, just yesterday actually. I'll probably wait for Zen 5 X3Ds to come down in price before considering a further upgrade.
I'm owning a 5800x3d and a 4090 playing on a 4k144 monitor. Generally speaking I'd rather consider going 4080 super at 1440p to avoid some huge bottlenecks with the 4090 which is a way better combo at 4k although it still depends on the games you play.
@@N0wt ya but the thing is with a 4090 your more future proof in 4-6 years down the road you'll have that extra 30-40 fps that will allow you to cross 60fps on ultra in the latest games etc with high refresh rate @ 1440p with gsync on but here in canada there is like 1200$ of price differences between the 2 at the moment so the time of 1600$ usd lucky early buyers of 4090 are long time gone here thats why the 4080 would make more sense or just wait for a 5090 9-12 months down the road too since the 9800x3d is about to be released too
@@Batman-bh6vw ya you should, the new zen5 cpu's are around the corner with probably the 5090 being released in the next 9-12months thats why im waiting too because we could get huuuge deals on currrent 4090-7800x3d-7950x3d too and be good for 4-6 years after that at a fraction of the cost of right now with more stable bios
@@N0wt you won't have bottleneck with gsync and 5800x3d you shouldn't have especially at 2k or 4k
The one thing missing from GN's review and sure enough HUB has the mighty unboxing experience of the 5700X3D. Many a frame and much respect for the AMD gods to grant us another offering lol
Being an AM4 CPU, it would have made some sense to put a 3000/2000 CPU in to show it as an upgrade for am4 vs nearly irrelevant comparisons of 13900k/14900k
I would definitely opt for 5800X3D since it usually goes on sale for $269.99-$284.99. Keep shopping around wait for discounts.
It is not as cheap as I hoped. In Germany, the difference is about 25$. For that price, it is just another good option next to the 5800x3d, nothing special.
262€ vs 285€
Currently it's 229 € vs 270 € on Mindfactory.
3:53 - I can't maintain 60fps with high crowd density in Cyberpunk with a 5600.
Good memory?
A fan, but very disappointed with the video. People who are thinking of buying 5700x3d already have an AM4 build, yet there is no comparison with 2000 or 3000 series CPUs.
cos there is no point, it blows them out the water
Steve pointing out they have a genuine box, That is definitely an absolutely and objectively the better review than other channel, LOL
I wonder if a horrible combination of ecc & x3d can make some sort of hybrid work/play station due to memory scaling
Why is the 5900X exluded from these tests? I was looking for a comparison with the 5700x3d.
Wait... At 1080p ultra a 7800x3d paired to a 4090 can't push more than 80 fps average? I mean I know rt is on, but aren't all those numbers way too low? Not even 60 fps in 1% lows? You sure that chart is actually 1080p?
Poorly optimized is the problem.
@@Hardwareunboxedhuh gotcha. And here I was thinking Hogwarts legacy was well optimized (post launch, I remember it being a mess at launch lol). Thanks Steve.
CPU limited. HL is really bad optimized, the 4090 is sleeping basically.
@@davidepannone6021 without RT the game runs so much better than at launch, at least on a 5800X3D, 3080 combo but turn on RT. its unplayable
@@davidepannone6021 The high settings have poor CPU optimization, on low settings you can play the game on an i3 10100 well above 100fps and it doesn't even look bad.
I think you should really go in-depth onto the cartonage they used for their box design - maybe even give a cartonage factory tour at some point. I mean, we all like a good box and box-manufacturers play a crucial role in the CPU-business.
why should i buy the 5700X3D when i can buy the 5800X3D for 20€ more? pricing is way too close.
I assume that there was a mistake in 5700G consumption. On one slide it was correct, the power consumption was the lowest. But on other slide the consumption was above 500 Watts.
I mean, for 90 percent of the guys out there, a 5600 is more than enough since you can play any current game with it and can spend that 120 premium on a better GPU which is much more needed in most scenarios. However it's nice to see, that there is a (small) upgrade path for all those 5600 budget gamers on AM4.
Yep if we add 250€ to your GPU Budget you can go from a 7800XT to a 7900XT or a 4070 to a 4070 ti super, and still have much better performance with a combo with the 5600X than with a weaker GPU.
That's a big assumption though. A new graphics card is going to be a lot more than $250. If the person already has a decent graphics card, then a better processor would probably be a better buy than saving up for a new GPU. A new GPU isn't going to help you if your processor is bottlenecking you.
Depends on the games you play, the resolution you play at, and the FPS you desire. Personally I only play single player stuff (don't care much for snotty teenagers divulging their desire to have a sexual relation with my mother) and I'm good with 90-120FPS so my 7950X3D + XTX @1440p240Hz setup is decisively overkill. But people who lean much more towards e-sports, MMO and NPC/mops heavy titles benefit more from V-Cache than what is shown here.
@@dashkatae It's the difference between a 7800XT and a 7900XT or a 4070 to a 4070 ti super. If I don't spend on a CPU I would choose the better GPU even with bottleneck should give me more than a weaker GPU.
@@mariop8101 You're missing the point. Not everyone has that kind of money to sink into a new graphics card. The difference between spending $250 for a new CPU to get better gaming performance on an older GPU versus $500+ for a new GPU is a lot for some people to be able to do. If money is no object, then yes, a new GPU probably is the best way to go, but if it isn't and you have a decent GPU and want to get a bit more performance out of your system without blowing the bank, then the CPU would probably be better. A new GPU isn't going to do you much good if you're on a 2600x as you're going to be bottlenecked by the CPU.
As a day-one 5800X3D enjoyer, I’m thrilled they’re still supporting AM4 and that more people can join the X3D club.
In Brazil 5700X3D is $ 140,00 CHEAPER than 5800X3D ... This is a BIG price difference. I just got the 5700X3D.
that end was hilarious! great video!
It's a bit disappointing not to see MSFS2020 here, the notorious CPU hog.
We're never going to include MSFS2020 ever again and you can blame the trash-tier Microsoft Store. When changing PC hardware we can't get it to log back in half the time, so we gave up on it long ago.
@@Hardwareunboxed well, I can certainly empathize with that reason. Fair enough, and thanks for this review!
@@HardwareunboxedDCS is much more CPU demanding especially with Multithreading update and actually can be CPU and GPU limited even on a 7800X3D/4090 system. It scales across 20 or more cores. Sometimes requiring more than 32GB of Ram and more than 14GB of VRAM. Best of all has a standalone version and steam. If you're looking at a proper simulator to benchmark. This is it.
Great channel, easy to listen to and very informative
AM4 must be one of the longest sported platforms in history that kept getting new CPU's. The 5800X3D will go down as one of the best CPU's of all time
Steve could you do a gpu scaling benchmark with the 5700x3d and the 7800x3d? I'd love to see what the limit is for the am4 chip.
how much different in temps? between the 5700x3d and the 5800x3d?
I would imagine that with power consumption figures being similar, so too are the temps.
As someone currently rocking a 5800X3D and loving it, I am happy to see AMD continuing to make AM4's last hurrah last longer and longer. Thanks, Steve!
5800x3d 330euro and 5700x3d 315euro are literaly 10 15 euro difference in south eu
Yes I was considering upgrading to a 5700x3d (from 3600) but when it went on sale the 5800x3d dropped to within 15 euro and I got that instead
Lol I even saw a listing with te 5700x3d going for 320€. I'd like for HUB to test a Ryzen 5 7500F as that seems to be a great deal at 175€ in EU over this AM4 X3D par, especially if you can sell your AM4 cpu+mobo+ram combo to at least cover the motherboard cost (AM5 is extremely overpriced here as a half decent b650 goes for 180€, while the ideal boards for future upgrades to higher end parts goes for 200€)
On start alwats bad prices.
in germany the 5800x3d goes for 285€ and the 5700x3d for 262€. So both CPU's are viable options technically.
@@GLDragon93Yes, the am5 boards are a nightmare... i bought a rog strix b550 for 130€ a while ago. But a rog strix b650 would cost me 250€ like wtf
It's about £185 now (September 2024 UK) as opposed to £310 for the 5800X3D. I'm going to upgrade from the 5600G I have right now which should be great!
Hardware Un-B-O-X-ed
The two am5 apu is surprisingly quick in some test , is that related to single die design ?
Im slightly bummed I bought the 5700X for my two AM4 systems (1600AF/3600) last year but I was concerned that AMD would be phasing out AM4 after the 5800X3D was introduced. Still, I paid $180 each for two and I got a year of use.
When all is said and done, AM4 is going to go down as the best platform for builders since Socket 7. When I built my current system in early 2020 I called it my "Decade Build" thinking I would drop in the last AM4 processor and it would still be useful as a retro gaming system in 2030. At this rate it might still be my daily driver in 2030. It will be interesting to see if AM4 can match the i7 47xx series for longevity as "good enough" for gaming.
I've seen the 5800X3D drop to as low as $290 at times, which makes the 5700 version slightly less compelling. However, if the newer part can hit, say $220, it's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
Would have been be nice if you included competitive FPS games here too (Apex, WZ, Fortnite, Finals etc) along with 1440p benchmarks.
Wouldn't 1440p move away from purely testing CPU?
The sweep of test didn't give you any idea of its performance vs the other line up..?
That final bit about GN appreciating your traffic going there and saying that the box has made your review more premium than theirs...BRILLIANT MOVE! lol Just be careful though. Their Steve is like a guy that would go through your bins for the truth on something lmao
Me, as a 3600 owner: _Interesting_
I can assure you the upgrade will blow your mind. I went from 3600 to 5800X3D and it has been a jaw dropping performance increase. Just be sure to pocket a lil extra for a decent cooler or a 280mm rad to cool this beast!
I’ve 3600 as well, but worried about my motherboard, B450M, pretty basic actually, will it handle 5700x3d ?
@@raghavsaxena4908 you need to check CPU compatibility at your motherboards website, almost always a bios update it's all you need to support it!
The 5800X3D is hard to find now but I found one at Game Stop for $250.00
Watch out! Gamers Nexus will come up with a 45min hit piece on HUB because of this /s
Bring it on! :)
@@Hardwareunboxed lmao loving your channel even more now with this type of friendly banter 🤣
The Steve’s can’t fight. It would end the universe.
Hi Steve loved the review; will always get your opinion 1st when it comes to value and performance. Upgrading my Son's CPU for the last time on his Aorus B550 Pro MATX motherboard. 5700X3D appears to be an excellent value and will allow the AM4 hardware to maintain performance into the future. Thank you Steve for the analysis and your opinion (highly valued) is always appreciated. Capecod, MA USA
Test 1440p
No thanks. We're not interested in GPU results for a CPU test.
You could've just explained it to him politely. You didn't have to be rude @Hardwareunboxed
@@szlep8095 In what universe is that response rude but the command "Test 1440p" isn't?
@szlep8095 don't be so bloody sensitive. We've also explained this countless times already and even dedicated a video to the topic.
12:32 7600X on AM5 you mean?
My kids are both on a 5600G. Looking at getting them dedicated GPUs this year. I'm liking the idea of upgrading them to a 5700X3D sometime after so they can handle a faster GPU. That seems like a decent upgrade path for them as time goes on.