Us $130 5700x3d buyers who were on an r5 1600 in 2017 are the biggest winners. Insane longevity and value. What's wild is that the 5700x3d regularly beats the R7 7700 and Intel 285k, especially in sim titles like msfs and acc
The things you are doing can simply be described as a "public service". Thank you, guys, for this incredible testing and sharing process. it feels like an academic exercise.
Here are the meaty parts... 12:40 14-Game-Average 13:35 Cost-per-Frame 16:33 Best Budget (AMD Ryzen 5 7600) 20:55 Best of the Best (AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D) Awesome work again Steve! 🤘
Yup, almost certainly. Will be very interesting to see HUB's test once the 5090 is out. Not so much because it's all that relevant to 99% of all gamers who can't afford a 5090 (or refuses to spend that kind of absurd money), but out of curiosity.
@@Argoon1981 There are some games where it does look like they are running into the GPU bottleneck, but that's only a few of them. And the first tests of the new GPU's will show if that was truly what happened.
I can't wait to see how much those who buy a 9800X3D to play with a 5090 in 4K and see that they will have to spend so much money on a processor to be rewarded with having 5 to 10% more FPS on 300...
@@Columbus666 I'd argue that if I'm spending $2000+ on a 5090, I'd also spend an extra $100-200 on a CPU to get 5-10% performance gain with that system. Getting a 5090 and pairing it with something like a 7600X to save $150 is fine, money is money, but that's not what I'd get. Then there's also the crowd on 1080p and 1440p monitors up to 480 Hz. The 9800X3D is definitely worth it for them.
sidegraded from a 5950X to a 5700X3D since I need that 3D cache more than the cores and it is noticeable in games especially with no CCD latency you get with 9s but the lack of cores hit me hard when multitasking various programs 😅probably gonna rock it out until AM6 or whatever Intel brings or once AM6 comes out and AM5 prices dip to insane values gonna go with a 9 that has 3D cache.
Was thinking of doing the same thing since it will be cheaper than going with the 7500f and buying a new motherboard and RAM. But I'm still undecided because AM5 looks very promising and I can imagine the 7800x3d being cheaper in about 2 or 3 years. Before you suggest going with AM5, please know that I'm typing this comment from a keyboard in a 3rd world country. But I really need help in deciding which is better in the long run. I play on 1080p and also planning to buy a 4070 Super before the year ends.
@thechoken1 I'm personally staying on the 5700x3d until am6, feels this cpu will be enough for this generation of games at 90fps even for the badly optimized ones.
The 1080p test explanation at 02:35 is absolutely brilliant. Great example data, short and brief, easy to understand. That's the part I'll link to people confused about 1080p (or even 720p) CPU testing in the future!
the problem is that you have to test on max out settings in 1080p because newer games add CPU workload, this is why Low 1080p is irrelevant for CPU testing anymore.
@@henriquereis3860 is eating your GPU too - it's just how it goes. It's bad, like, system wide bad - cant blame testers for that. With that said, they also have RT testing (if you realy need it).
I love my 7600X. I know people like to slam the X variants, but it can frequently be found at the $200 mark in the US. It does consume more power, but it'll eat 1440p and 4k for lunch.
Honestly I don't understand why people that aren't competitive gamers or that play exclusively single-player games bother with the x3d chips, the X chips are up to 3x cheaper (7600x) and provide more than adequate performance.
I have seen the 7600x costing less then the base 7600 a couple of time in my country lol And maybe you got a better undervolting / oc die if that matter to you
IMO People want to see higher resolutions to see if the upgrade will be worth it. They see that "brand new CPU" is 10% faster at 1080p but doesn't make a difference at the higher resolutions that person games at now. They are using the benchmark to determine if a new multi hundred dollar CPU will make a difference at the resolution they currently game at now. If I have a 5800X and I see that a new 5800X3D doesn't really make a difference at the resolution I game at. . . maybe I won't need to plop down a couple hundred bucks to upgrade. We get the explanation, but we still want the higher resolutions tested by benchmarkers.
@@hockey1973those people need to look at more than 1 review. If you want to know whether a given upgrade is worthwhile for your hardware you need to consider both GPU and CPU reviews together. Reviews can't combine everything because there are too many combinations.
@@hockey1973 I was trying to find a way to disagree, but you know I'm with you on this, if it's a best value / buying guide then it makes complete sense that's useful information, contrary to what was being attempted with Steves graphs it shows what you want to be the case better CPUs can perform better at 4k. Now with CPU reviews I don't agree, pointless information, is a CPU faster today at 1080p? Then it's almost certainly going to be faster at 1080p and 4k in the future.
@@blitzwing1 The problem with testing on higher resolutions is that it depends on the GPU. Testing just on 4090 would be useless for nearly everyone. So what other GPUs should we test with? How many GPUs do we need to get a good look at the performance differences across the board? And all that while testing 14 different CPUs. Let's say we test it with 10 different GPUs, that's 140 benchmarks PER GAME. That's why it's there's not a lot of point in doing high resolution testing, and everyone looking to upgrade should check benchmarks for GPUs and CPUs separately to understand what they're capable of.
@@hockey1973 I recommend you watch HUBs video on this topic. One main point though is this: these are benchmarks, not use case tests. It is an unreasonable ask for benchmark channels to take much of their time testing viewer's choice cpu-gpu combos at choice resolutions. I like the way @aaaaa-g7g put it. It doesn't take much effort to infer how your cpu-gpu combo will perform at a given resolution by using the vast data these benchmark channels provide. You think the data they provide is vast? Imagine if they tested every cpu-gpu combo for each popular resolution. I hope this puts things into perspective.
Amazing video. HUB does such a great job of summarizing the important factors to consider for judging value per dollar of not only a CPU, but also of a system here. I just built an AM5 system for a friend with a 7600 and 6000 MT/s CL30 memory. They were willing to get something more expensive, but there's just no CPU which really looks worth paying extra for right now unless you want to pay a LOT more, or if you play one of the very few games where the 9600X actually pulls significantly ahead of the 7600. And even then, very few people are going to benefit significantly from the additional CPU performance above what the 7600 can do over the next few years.
If you go for budget, I'd recommend the 5700X3D for AM4 and 7500F for AM5. The 7500F currently goes for ~145$ here in germany without tax or about 1$ per frame. If you want the best, only the 9800X3D makes sense.
and i am happy with my 12400f purchase in 2021 .....its great to see that even with 4 generation my cpu is still in the race not in the rearview mirror....
Its ok if you game at 1080p. I have it and game at 1440p and think ita in the future that I'll be glad I got it. Hoping to use this until the last AM5 gen
I think the reason why they didn't do this one is because it's literally a limited exclusive just like ryzen 5 5600x3d at the microcenter...so it's literally pointless specially when AMD didn't announce it or send review because it's just a limited one
Some people are new to the PC space and it's good and smart to explain methodology in testing videos for beginners who are thinking of building their first PC and may not know why testing methodology is the way it is.
loving the Nasel cold voice, MAN as a parent and this time of year here (EU winter), cold central BUT, 7500F should totally at least be on this last slide, it's COST per FRAME must be EPIC! 100 cheaper then the 7600x, and same same gains
@@johnoney8088 Get the 11700 or 11900F, cheap and easy drop-in. 11700K and 11900K seem to be expensive and jsut a few % faster. But I wanted to go all out and just got the best my mobo could handle (went from 11400F).
It would actually be nice to see some 4K testing just to see where the drop-off point is for CPU's. I'm betting a lot of these would perform the same at 4K, so knowing which one would be best value for 4K gaming would be quite useful
Steve you know full well I'm only here to feel justified in my 5800X3D purchase, please just keep this CPU permanently highlighted in future reviews. Thanks.
I built my PC with a 12400F in 2022, it's done well so far. I'm planning to save some money on a motherboard and just do an in socket upgrade to a 13600k or 14600k over the next handful of months. Next time I do a full rebuild I'll be going with an AMD X3D build, assuming they'll still be king of the gaming hill in a couple years.
14600k 5.3ghz allcore as it came out still in the middle of the pack still wondering if i'm on 14700k performance 1.6 watts idle at energy saving mode windows
(lays back in my recliner and puts up my feet) Ahhhhhhh, my 5800X3D at 1440p with my overclocked 6800 XT just keep winning. Not to mention I have AFMF 2 making it even better. What a GOAT of a CPU !
That resolution comparison of then vs now is the absolute best way to demonstrate why CPU testing is done like it is. If someone doesn't understand and agree based on that, they never will.
When the 5800X3D was still around for sale, it was around the time that the 5700X3D was announced. At the time for me, the 58 was $290USD while the launch for the 57 was $250USD. I got lucky around that time frame and told myself, "It's a $40 difference, I might as well get the 5800X3D." Now seeing the 5700X3D being the only 3D AM4 part for sale makes me sad for other people who would be interested in the 5800X3D. But I do love that the 57 isn't gimped in performance and the results between the two are within the noise at best, only falling short in a select few games with the frequency difference at worst.
Not sure about that. But let's hope it'll be true. You can do that, but with several drawbacks. I'm talking from experience. Bought a low end X370 board with a Ryzen 1600 back then. Upgraded it with Ryzen 5600. It works, but I'm stuck with slower DDR4, cause my board just can't handle more than 2999Mhz, gen 3 PCIe slot, gen 3 NVMe, with no SAM/ReBar compatibility. Not to mention the waiting time for the BIOS update, that'll make my board compatible with the newer CPU.
Agreed, went with a 7600 upgrading to AM5 from AM4, with a 7900 XT as it doesn't bottleneck it. AMD confirmed they're support AM5 for years to come. No reason to get a 9000 right now, could easily sit on it for years. AM5 boards can be had super cheap now, sometimes less than older AM4 boards.
doubt it. am5 will support next zen generation but not the one after. i am pretty confident about. amd warned that am5 socket won't last as long as am4. and again there could other constraints so even next gen support is not guaranteed. but still 9800X3D is too good and with prices going down soon it will ok too. 7700 is better than 7600 with almost the same price. (at least at my place)
@@mc_sim they said at least 2026-2027, now that doesnt guarantee a full cpu architectural upgrade though, but something like a 5800xt sort of refresh. but anyways, if you're current budget is only for a budget build, then getting a 7600/7700 with a plan of upgrading it to a 10th generation x3d part is not that bad
@@dagnisnierlins188 but for "normal gameplay" on 1080p with a 7700XT it would be fine? A friend wants to upgrade from Ryzen 3 1200 xD Edit: she will upgrade her gpu to something like a 7700xt or so. Dhe is on 1050 2gb atm.
Incredible work! Thank you so much for this HU! Could start including more racing sim titles in the future such as Assetto Corsa Evo (when it launches), Le Mans Ultimate, Project Cars 2, iRacing, etc?
The 7600 looking real good in these benchmarks, under $200 and pretty close in performance to CPU's like the 14700k, 7700x and only 10% worse than the 14900k
Great info! I would suggest to add 'deviders' on the Y axis, like dotted line on each main monitor refresh rate, like 60, 120, 144, 240, so it would be easier to understand where to stop looking
Just made a 5700x3d+4070tisuper system for a 4k60fps max graphics use case build, and it honestly feels like this setup will carry for at least 3 years before needing to crank down visual settings. So much headroom still.
Just gutted my build a few weeks ago and got a 7600 used for £140, 32GB of DDR5 6000hz CL30 for £85, a B650 for £160 and a 7900 XT for £640. The fact that my old 5600x sold for £95 is baffling to me given how much better the 7600 is in comparison. Even my 3080 sold for £420. For just an extra £150 or so, you can easily jump from AM4 to AM5 and see big performance gains, if you sell your old CPU, mobo and RAM (as AM5 boards only support DDR5). With UE5 gaining popularity, I went from a stuttering mess on STALKER 2 at around 70 FPS to 130+ FPS with zero stutters, because the 5000 series of Ryzen have big issues with UE5 where you have to disable cores to get a smoother experience.
if you want the best performance, yes, but if budget is an issue then other parts makes sense. The only difference is today, a cpu upgrade in the future is more than an ideal addition to your purchase planning
Think about this way, lets say you are building 2500$ PC, and you are thinking that should you buy 100$ expensive CPU or not, and lets say performance difference is %15, you will pay %4 more and gain %15 performance. When you build from scratch it should be the comparison, not CPU price vs CPU price imo. Same can be said for GPU.
@@nostrum6410 or as we have seen with with the previous X3D, that demand slows and AMD responds with prices cuts. Only time will tell and meanwhile the 7500F will tick along nicely.
I have build my current pc from ali this spring sale, 12400f 85$ + b760 maxun terminator 62$ + 32gb 3600 30$ + 2tb fanxiang S790 60$ + used rx6600 localy for 190$ + used case 25$ = 450$, try beat that.
man i did similar for me as i had ddr4 2x8(trident z 3200) from old pc chose to get 12400f, the 12400f probably the best go to budget cpu its basically intel's version of the 5600 but usually performs more consistently also got a ASUS b760-g motherboard, 6700xt msi gaming x which i bought used for 280 AUD which made for a really nice white build on a budget obviously the graphics card isn't white with the money saved can buy better gpu that is white especially with 50 series and 8000series near, i was also very decisive about getting an am5 pc but thought that spending less now would be a better choice as i use a 3440x 1440 monitor so their is basically not much of a bottleneck, if someone has ddr4 available 12400f seams like a really solid choice even in 2024 and instead of dishing out crazy money on a cpu buy a better gpu or monitor as can confirm 1440p is much better looking than 1080p
As someone on AM4 wanting a bit of an upgrade, the 5700X3D for $150 (on aliexpress) around Black Friday was too good to pass up. Should be delivered before the weekend.
it is a pity S.T.A.L.C.E.R 2 was not included - one of the games where you actually need good CPU - in towns howering at 30-40 fps with 5800x - so I needed to know which one to buy to get 60fps. :(
Love my 7500F! runs Great with tuned PBO and a 4070 Super for 1440P! will maybe look to upgrade to the 9800X3D next year when prices stabilize or maybe even wait for Zen 6 with a Gpu upgrade then.
What isn't taken into account here is that the x3d chips don't need as quick RAM speeds, and you could therefore save a lot on cheaper sticks. Especially with the am5 ones due to DDR5 RAM prices
I'd rather buy a mid range chip now and another in 2 or so gens rather than one God tier one now, and hope it ages well. So for me I'd rather just know if an upgrade for 1440p is worth it now. Not salty, just a differing opinion 😊
@@Gridpipe But the amount variables involved are just too exhaustive. If you know enough about pc's to build your own & to make that decision, then surely you'd know enough to know where your own performance metrics will fall?
But all you need to do is look at a 1080p chart and ask which CPUs give you a satisfactory framerate compared to what you expect your GPU to achieve at 1440p. There’s no need to have a 1440p-specific test.
Which of these variables are not relevant to 1080p testing as well?. At the end of the day, all I care about is if it is worth upgrading today at 1440p, and 1080p testing scams many people in to thinking an upgrade is beneficial.
I was able to snag a 5700X3d for 210 euros in Austria during black friday sales. Super happy with it. Pairs extremely well with a 6800XT at 1440p. Somehow still CPU limited in Destiny 2 in some areas but im always above 160fps anyway so it doesnt matter (still strange that even with 3d im cpu limited).
True. But it's quite easy to run on any CPU so that might be the case? I get over 400fps on 7600x so with any better ones, you can just guess how much better it would've been
7500f is widely available in Europe for 155€, 7600 goes for 195€ and that’s an easy 40€ saved for a better gpu or to offset the ram/mobo cost increase, it’s soooo good and has been for months. Glad I built 5 systems with it for my friends and everyone being happy
14:52 WUT?? R5 7600 is neither $110 or AM4. I do get you got something mixed up but i don't know what given the $110 CPU is Intel and you're talking about AM4 upgrade path - or lack thereof.
5700x3d for AM4, ryzen 7500f for am5 = budget 14600k for intel, 7600x3d for AM5 = midrange intel = dead, 7800x3d/9800x3d for highend. thats what i conclude.
@@InnerFury1886 Another Thing is here in Germany the 7800x3d had a Price Value for the Moment at 529€...Just Crazy and the 7950x Cost at the Moment 475€
Bought 5700x3d of Aliexpress month ago for 154€ with free shipping. It's a monster compared to my good old 3600. And for this price it is absolute steal for us from EU. Prices here in EU are from 190€ and above for this puppy. :) EDIT: And I can see the biggest differences in 1 and 0.1% lows because I only have 3060Ti.
Imagine spending $1000 replacing a 14900K system with 98000X3D system and get 5% better FPS at 4K instead of spending $1000 replacing your 4070 with a 4090 and getting 100% better FPS.
Depends on region and use case. The 4090 is more expensive in the EU. The 4070 is a quarter of the price of the 4090. I'd rather buy two 4070's and a better processor, more ram, install a hypervisor to get a PC two people can play with at the same time. 200% increase in fun.
Hi Steve, did you have any trouble getting the Alder Lake CPUs to run DDR5 7200? Because I remember some people were struggling to get DDR5-6400 stable with the 12th gen (including the K processors with unlocked SA voltage), and they were blaming the IMC, but now it seems they can all hit DDR5-7200 (even the 12400 with locked SA)? Is it because of the faster RAM combined with 700 series motherboard (in other words it was never the IMC but the immature DDR5 RAM and 600 series motherboard)?
Granted,AMD is the better choice at this time, However, Steve skips right over most of Arrow Lakes good FPS numbers and focuses on the i-3's poor performance or some other figures instead When AMD tops the charts he's all over it, YOU'RE BIASED Steve!
Got a 7500F for cheap in a system I helped a friend build. Basically the same perf as the 7600, but at around 170-180$ here in Norway. The 7500F is not commonly available here at that price, though...
@@enderfox2667 Reality is a lot of people are playing at resolutions like 1440p with GPUs slower than the 4090 so what CPU actually serves them best may not match up with these results. The 14700K(F) for example often gets overlooked but is generally within margin of error of the gaming performance of the faster CPUs at 1440p let alone 4K especially if you have like a 4080 or 7900 card and substantially faster if you do anything outside of gaming and even some thread heavy games it is starting to make ground on some of the lesser threaded gaming CPUs while substantially cheaper, potentially even half the price, of some of the alternative CPUs. Sure things might change a bit with faster GPUs when the likes of the nVidia 5000 series are available but by the time it makes a significant difference most of these CPUs are likely going to be well on their way to obsolescence.
So happy with my 7500F. Slightly overclocked it, and performs like a champ and doesn't consume much power. 👍 It was a major step up from my 7700K at a super reasonable price, and now I'll be ready to upgrade to a beasty X3D chip in a couple of years for another nice upgrade.
crazy from a console player pc hardware is not at 4k 120fps at every single game with ease. we have been conditioned to think pc was so much more powerful yet these new unreal engine 5 games running like shit even on a 4090 lol
i think it is just different: for consoles games are optimised by developers from the beginning (mostly). but for pc - it is up to you to optimise your pc for almost every game.
PCs are massively more powerful. The consoles do not do 4K 120, s d in almost every case they’re using FSR and medium textures. They’re not even the same games visually.
Consoles like the PS5 don't know what 4K is. And I have a PS5 console myself. Most PS5 native games are 1080p (or even lower) 60FPS upscaled to 4K. They can't achieve native 4K even at 30FPS. You have to run old PS4 games to make real 4K 30FPS. Any 4 year old PC can do that with ease.
UE5 is running shit because of the CPU-bound coding. They're done some updates, I think 5.3, that boosted performance by some 30% but they still have a way to go for sure. UE5.0 has BIG ISSUES on CPUs.
Fr last week I bought the 14900KS and with my H170i AIO in games it maxes out at 75° and only in blender tests I got 98° with multi core enhancement and thermal velocity boost enabled and let me tell you it's a monster, looking forward to upgrade to the rtx 5090 next month so I can finally game at 4k/240
@@MatiSob09 The US has 100V from the wall so you only need 1600W to trip a 16A breaker. I heard it used to be an issue when people made 3-4 way SLI systems with the GTX480.
very nice video, as always. Btw i think we are not realizing enough that even very low end or "entry level" cpus are able to reach 90-ish to 120 fps have we ever had a situation like this in pc tech history? xD
very happy with my 7600,in the future at the end of am5 i am sure they release a budget v cache like the 5700x 3d which will be th best time for upgrade
If going with the 7600 as I get the future upgrading potential, all I would say is... I would recommend going with a MOBO from the latest Gen of the MOBO's as this would allow you to be more future ready for upgrading, plus ALL up to date features, that way it is literally just a CPU swap when upgrading.
There is nothing (besides USB4 and multiple M.2 gen5's) that a X870 or B850 can do, that a X670 or B650 can not do. And all B650 and X670 sold to day (as long as it's not old stock) has the ryzen 9000 series bios update. So that is a really bad advise. So as long as you do not need USB4 and/or multiple gen 5 M.2's, buy the one that suites your need and wallet.
@Audiosan79 it is old stock. They are not going to keep making 670-650 while they are now making 870-850! And I dont see your point... Im saying sure get the older CPU, but get the newest board you can, and not hardware that has sat on the shelf for a year or so. So again I stand by my point, I'm not trying to hate on anyone buying the older board but in everyway the newer board is newer so why wouldn't you use it and as you said it has extra stuff regardless how little you consider it, why not give your platform the best possible base for you to build around it especially when trying to view an upgrade path. If you are an AMD user that swaps MOBOs every few years anyways, to keep up with memory speeds, etc. Then it doesn't matter get whats cheapest on the chipset you want regardless of the 6 or 8, but If you are a builder hoping to stretch the motherboard for as long as possible then get the newest one
@@TriPBOOMER Tell that to my Asus tuf B650 pluss wifi that i got 2 weeks ago. With the ryzen 9000 ready sticker on the box. So i call your BS. It has extra USELESS stuff. yeah. But that's nothing to pay for. And one can update bios without a CPU on all boards to day. So no reason to pay twice the money for the extra useless stuff. Even the chipsets is the same.
@@TriPBOOMER They update the bios before they ship out the boards to retailers. Yes. They have done so since end of June/start of July this year. You obviously have no clue how things are done, or how things work. Maybe you should not give out any buyers advise.
Thank you for your hard work. I believe many people would appreciate it if, in addition to 1080p, could also see the 1440p and 4K testing results, if possible. This would be a realistic scenario and i saw results in 1440p in some games that are diametral different than in 1080p. It is very likely that those who can afford and are willing to buy a 4090 won't play in 1080p resolution.
The real winners are people who bought a 7800x3d for £330.
Us $130 5700x3d buyers who were on an r5 1600 in 2017 are the biggest winners. Insane longevity and value.
What's wild is that the 5700x3d regularly beats the R7 7700 and Intel 285k, especially in sim titles like msfs and acc
@@RadialSeeker113 true(although it was 1600af)
@@RadialSeeker113 but the r5 1600 was probably $300 when it came out, so you have to factor that in to the cost.
Like me, made the wife pc with it, i still can't believe its 1 year later and at that price you only find stuff like 9700x, a cpu thats slower 😂
I paid 220 USD, but my computer is broke 😥
Dumb motherboard WiFi crapped out 😩
The 5700x3d looks like it will last for a few more years. A really good choice to keep am4 alive for longer.
Yep, got mine a month ago on AliExpress it quite an upgrade for my R5 3600 if you aren't gpu bound.
@@jackrenders8937do you see any difference in 1440p because i don't think it's worthy to upgrade when not playing at 1080p
@@ahmedzid1119 it may depend on the game, i think, some really are running better with a x3d cpu
@@ahmedzid1119 From a 3600 to 5700X3D is even at 4K an Upgrade
@@ahmedzid1119 the 1 percent lows is noticeable atleast for me. I also play City Skylines and it was a massive boost coming from 5600
The things you are doing can simply be described as a "public service". Thank you, guys, for this incredible testing and sharing process. it feels like an academic exercise.
I know what you mean, but that is not what "public service" means. This is, after all, a for-profit enterprise and not funded by the government.
@@yaldabaoth2 Oh thanks man.
Here are the meaty parts...
12:40 14-Game-Average
13:35 Cost-per-Frame
16:33 Best Budget (AMD Ryzen 5 7600)
20:55 Best of the Best (AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D)
Awesome work again Steve! 🤘
I believe the 9800X3D will increase its lead after NVIDIA launches the 5090.
Yup, almost certainly. Will be very interesting to see HUB's test once the 5090 is out. Not so much because it's all that relevant to 99% of all gamers who can't afford a 5090 (or refuses to spend that kind of absurd money), but out of curiosity.
That is only true, if you assume the 4090 is bottlenecking the CPU, that I pretty much doubt.
@@Argoon1981 There are some games where it does look like they are running into the GPU bottleneck, but that's only a few of them. And the first tests of the new GPU's will show if that was truly what happened.
I can't wait to see how much those who buy a 9800X3D to play with a 5090 in 4K and see that they will have to spend so much money on a processor to be rewarded with having 5 to 10% more FPS on 300...
@@Columbus666 I'd argue that if I'm spending $2000+ on a 5090, I'd also spend an extra $100-200 on a CPU to get 5-10% performance gain with that system. Getting a 5090 and pairing it with something like a 7600X to save $150 is fine, money is money, but that's not what I'd get.
Then there's also the crowd on 1080p and 1440p monitors up to 480 Hz. The 9800X3D is definitely worth it for them.
snatched 5700x3d for 140 euros so nice, upgraded from 3600
sidegraded from a 5950X to a 5700X3D since I need that 3D cache more than the cores and it is noticeable in games especially with no CCD latency you get with 9s but the lack of cores hit me hard when multitasking various programs 😅probably gonna rock it out until AM6 or whatever Intel brings or once AM6 comes out and AM5 prices dip to insane values gonna go with a 9 that has 3D cache.
Was thinking of doing the same thing since it will be cheaper than going with the 7500f and buying a new motherboard and RAM. But I'm still undecided because AM5 looks very promising and I can imagine the 7800x3d being cheaper in about 2 or 3 years. Before you suggest going with AM5, please know that I'm typing this comment from a keyboard in a 3rd world country. But I really need help in deciding which is better in the long run. I play on 1080p and also planning to buy a 4070 Super before the year ends.
@thechoken1 I'm personally staying on the 5700x3d until am6, feels this cpu will be enough for this generation of games at 90fps even for the badly optimized ones.
I paid 175 inklusing shipping and 20% vet so similar to 140 price really good Deal xD😊
The budget beast💪
The 1080p test explanation at 02:35 is absolutely brilliant. Great example data, short and brief, easy to understand. That's the part I'll link to people confused about 1080p (or even 720p) CPU testing in the future!
the problem is that you have to test on max out settings in 1080p because newer games add CPU workload, this is why Low 1080p is irrelevant for CPU testing anymore.
@@allxtend4005 Yea ray tracing be eating hella cpu performance
And as you can see even here,in your comment is happening,let alone on some other page
And yet it won't matter in most people's use cases. Which is why both types of data would be useful.
@@henriquereis3860 is eating your GPU too - it's just how it goes. It's bad, like, system wide bad - cant blame testers for that.
With that said, they also have RT testing (if you realy need it).
I love my 7600X. I know people like to slam the X variants, but it can frequently be found at the $200 mark in the US. It does consume more power, but it'll eat 1440p and 4k for lunch.
Plus, the "X" is turned on or off with one click.
Honestly I don't understand why people that aren't competitive gamers or that play exclusively single-player games bother with the x3d chips, the X chips are up to 3x cheaper (7600x) and provide more than adequate performance.
it's the exact same thing though as the non X. Plus PBO takes 1 minute to make them the exact same.
I got the 7600x for 171$ on sale few months back XD
I have seen the 7600x costing less then the base 7600 a couple of time in my country lol
And maybe you got a better undervolting / oc die if that matter to you
5800X3D is still going strong
Just got my 9800x3d for MSRP yesterday! Cant wait to assamble my build in christmas
hell yeah brother, me too
03:16 The fact that this still has to be explained is just wild to me
IMO People want to see higher resolutions to see if the upgrade will be worth it. They see that "brand new CPU" is 10% faster at 1080p but doesn't make a difference at the higher resolutions that person games at now. They are using the benchmark to determine if a new multi hundred dollar CPU will make a difference at the resolution they currently game at now. If I have a 5800X and I see that a new 5800X3D doesn't really make a difference at the resolution I game at. . . maybe I won't need to plop down a couple hundred bucks to upgrade.
We get the explanation, but we still want the higher resolutions tested by benchmarkers.
@@hockey1973those people need to look at more than 1 review. If you want to know whether a given upgrade is worthwhile for your hardware you need to consider both GPU and CPU reviews together. Reviews can't combine everything because there are too many combinations.
@@hockey1973 I was trying to find a way to disagree, but you know I'm with you on this, if it's a best value / buying guide then it makes complete sense that's useful information, contrary to what was being attempted with Steves graphs it shows what you want to be the case better CPUs can perform better at 4k.
Now with CPU reviews I don't agree, pointless information, is a CPU faster today at 1080p? Then it's almost certainly going to be faster at 1080p and 4k in the future.
@@blitzwing1 The problem with testing on higher resolutions is that it depends on the GPU. Testing just on 4090 would be useless for nearly everyone. So what other GPUs should we test with? How many GPUs do we need to get a good look at the performance differences across the board? And all that while testing 14 different CPUs. Let's say we test it with 10 different GPUs, that's 140 benchmarks PER GAME.
That's why it's there's not a lot of point in doing high resolution testing, and everyone looking to upgrade should check benchmarks for GPUs and CPUs separately to understand what they're capable of.
@@hockey1973 I recommend you watch HUBs video on this topic. One main point though is this: these are benchmarks, not use case tests. It is an unreasonable ask for benchmark channels to take much of their time testing viewer's choice cpu-gpu combos at choice resolutions. I like the way @aaaaa-g7g put it.
It doesn't take much effort to infer how your cpu-gpu combo will perform at a given resolution by using the vast data these benchmark channels provide. You think the data they provide is vast? Imagine if they tested every cpu-gpu combo for each popular resolution. I hope this puts things into perspective.
Amazing video. HUB does such a great job of summarizing the important factors to consider for judging value per dollar of not only a CPU, but also of a system here.
I just built an AM5 system for a friend with a 7600 and 6000 MT/s CL30 memory. They were willing to get something more expensive, but there's just no CPU which really looks worth paying extra for right now unless you want to pay a LOT more, or if you play one of the very few games where the 9600X actually pulls significantly ahead of the 7600. And even then, very few people are going to benefit significantly from the additional CPU performance above what the 7600 can do over the next few years.
If you go for budget, I'd recommend the 5700X3D for AM4 and 7500F for AM5. The 7500F currently goes for ~145$ here in germany without tax or about 1$ per frame.
If you want the best, only the 9800X3D makes sense.
A year ago I get Ryzen 5 7600 for 167,49 EUR ;)
Same in the Netherlands. Building a new am4 5700x3d ATM makes no sense but as an affordable upgrade it's a no brainer
@gucky4717 still bitter over how horrible my first gen ryzen experience was, so I'd still go with intel
@@nostrum6410 yes, 'cos that experience has been really good lately😂
@silverwolfgecko7064 certainly has been
Thanks for including i5 12400f 🙏
Im happy with my 7800x3d august purchase.
By the looks of it the 7800x3d will last a while
and i am happy with my 12400f purchase in 2021 .....its great to see that even with 4 generation my cpu is still in the race not in the rearview mirror....
@@rbvl30really
Its ok if you game at 1080p.
I have it and game at 1440p and think ita in the future that I'll be glad I got it. Hoping to use this until the last AM5 gen
me too broo
Oh man, you'll have to do all this again next month with the 5090.
Can't wait!
@@HardwareunboxedI think the 9800x3d will extend its lead even more with a faster GPU
And new CPU lol, 9950x3d and 5090
Please review the 7600X3D.
@@jggg31
Please send them the chip. It's unavailable in Aussie.
I think the reason why they didn't do this one is because it's literally a limited exclusive just like ryzen 5 5600x3d at the microcenter...so it's literally pointless specially when AMD didn't announce it or send review because it's just a limited one
You can also get in in some stores in Europe.
It boggles my mind that people still don't understand why you use a powerful GPU at lower resolutions to test CPUs.
Some people are new to the PC space and it's good and smart to explain methodology in testing videos for beginners who are thinking of building their first PC and may not know why testing methodology is the way it is.
loving the Nasel cold voice, MAN as a parent and this time of year here (EU winter), cold central
BUT, 7500F should totally at least be on this last slide, it's COST per FRAME must be EPIC! 100 cheaper then the 7600x, and same same gains
7500F gang
Now with poor paste
Such a great budget CPU
RIP for the people which have to buy it from AliExpress.
Comment made by the EU gang.
@@hyperturbotechnomikein some countries it is available in official stores
@dwiedyszki9778 AMD is officially selling these to end user now? You do know that is the only "official" AMD store? Right?
Great work Steve, I see you added the 5800X3D this time, much appreciated.
5700x3d gang. Paid like 180 eur. Drop in upgrade on an old zen 2 am4 platform. 2x avg 2x mins in games i play.
I got the 7800X3D for 400 usd in march and I m very happy with it!
Bought a used 11900K for very good money to update my B560 mainboard and it seems I'm still 30% above the "decent gaming PC". Nice.
I need to get away from my 10600k
@@johnoney8088 Get the 11700 or 11900F, cheap and easy drop-in. 11700K and 11900K seem to be expensive and jsut a few % faster. But I wanted to go all out and just got the best my mobo could handle (went from 11400F).
Where is the 4k testing? (Im joking chill)
Don't be stupid, no one uses 4k and we know the best way to test a CPU is to count the FPS of a GPU...
@@alistermunro7090 lil bro can't read 🙏🙏
@@berserker34568 lil bro can't understand sarkasm
@@andrecha1 lil bro cant comprehend
It would actually be nice to see some 4K testing just to see where the drop-off point is for CPU's. I'm betting a lot of these would perform the same at 4K, so knowing which one would be best value for 4K gaming would be quite useful
Really liked the different situatiom comparisons at the end. Makes it a lot easier to put the data beforehand about the CPUs into context.
Steve you know full well I'm only here to feel justified in my 5800X3D purchase, please just keep this CPU permanently highlighted in future reviews. Thanks.
Perfect timing! I was just looking into a gaming cpu upgrade for a friend and was second guessing myself.
You guys are really on a tear lately
I built my PC with a 12400F in 2022, it's done well so far. I'm planning to save some money on a motherboard and just do an in socket upgrade to a 13600k or 14600k over the next handful of months. Next time I do a full rebuild I'll be going with an AMD X3D build, assuming they'll still be king of the gaming hill in a couple years.
14600k 5.3ghz allcore as it came out
still in the middle of the pack
still wondering if i'm on 14700k performance
1.6 watts idle at energy saving mode windows
Honestly, if u switch to am5 Microcenter is ur best bet. Got myself 7600x3d and it’s working wonderfully
@@-KK- Unfortunately, the closest Microcenter to me is like 5 hours away.
What for do you want to upgrade 12400f? Did not you see sumarry graph done using rtx 4090 1080p?
@@walllecthe 14600k gives a sustancial uplift... Plues norr cores to deal with the games to comw
(lays back in my recliner and puts up my feet) Ahhhhhhh, my 5800X3D at 1440p with my overclocked 6800 XT just keep winning. Not to mention I have AFMF 2 making it even better.
What a GOAT of a CPU !
That resolution comparison of then vs now is the absolute best way to demonstrate why CPU testing is done like it is. If someone doesn't understand and agree based on that, they never will.
HUB is the WWE Royal Rumble of hardware xD
Except HUB is not fake.
@@FutureChaosTVexactly xDD
Thanks Steve for the round-up. Came at just the right time as I'm helping a friend build a computer. Much appreciated! :)
I'm missing the R5 5600 which is currently priced at around 80€. Would've also loved to see 1440p tests :D
5600 agree. 1440p disagree.
When the 5800X3D was still around for sale, it was around the time that the 5700X3D was announced. At the time for me, the 58 was $290USD while the launch for the 57 was $250USD. I got lucky around that time frame and told myself, "It's a $40 difference, I might as well get the 5800X3D."
Now seeing the 5700X3D being the only 3D AM4 part for sale makes me sad for other people who would be interested in the 5800X3D. But I do love that the 57 isn't gimped in performance and the results between the two are within the noise at best, only falling short in a select few games with the frequency difference at worst.
Thanks Steve
The 7500f's value proposition is wild. If they imported those to the states for retail sale they would submarine the rest of their budget processors
If only the 7600x3d was more widely available
Just get the 7600, perfectly fantastic chip.
I had mine sent by a friend who lives in Germany.
@@spuddyl9938 Lucky you, my ass is stuck in Italy and I have nobody in Germany
9800X3D Holy fuck, its just absolute domination.
Scalpers love this one trick
Yeah but it doesn't appear to ever go under 700€ over here, with that price they can keep it.
the worse value of any 8 core, hardly call that dominating
If you can ever find one for sale, only place in Canada has it listed for 2.5x the price
@@nostrum6410The graph 13:56 literally shows 9800X3D having better value than the 7800X3D lol
It's not weird that I prefer to listen to HUB videos rather than the radio during my commute right?
The smartest am5 purchase is the r5 7600 or 7500f. Lets you upgrade to a theoretical 11700X3D at the end of the platform
Not sure about that. But let's hope it'll be true. You can do that, but with several drawbacks. I'm talking from experience.
Bought a low end X370 board with a Ryzen 1600 back then. Upgraded it with Ryzen 5600. It works, but I'm stuck with slower DDR4, cause my board just can't handle more than 2999Mhz, gen 3 PCIe slot, gen 3 NVMe, with no SAM/ReBar compatibility. Not to mention the waiting time for the BIOS update, that'll make my board compatible with the newer CPU.
Agreed, went with a 7600 upgrading to AM5 from AM4, with a 7900 XT as it doesn't bottleneck it. AMD confirmed they're support AM5 for years to come. No reason to get a 9000 right now, could easily sit on it for years. AM5 boards can be had super cheap now, sometimes less than older AM4 boards.
doubt it. am5 will support next zen generation but not the one after. i am pretty confident about. amd warned that am5 socket won't last as long as am4. and again there could other constraints so even next gen support is not guaranteed. but still 9800X3D is too good and with prices going down soon it will ok too. 7700 is better than 7600 with almost the same price. (at least at my place)
@@mc_sim And were those next gen Zen stack up? 3,5,7,9......whats next? oh yeah. 11.
@@mc_sim they said at least 2026-2027, now that doesnt guarantee a full cpu architectural upgrade though, but something like a 5800xt sort of refresh. but anyways, if you're current budget is only for a budget build, then getting a 7600/7700 with a plan of upgrading it to a 10th generation x3d part is not that bad
Looks like I wasn't wrong, when got my 5700x3d for $127
Yeah, that's my next cpu, I'm on 5600x and it bottlenecks my 6900xt in competitive games
@@dagnisnierlins188 but for "normal gameplay" on 1080p with a 7700XT it would be fine? A friend wants to upgrade from Ryzen 3 1200 xD
Edit: she will upgrade her gpu to something like a 7700xt or so. Dhe is on 1050 2gb atm.
@@steelkinq3708 yeah, 7700xt and ryzen 5600X would be OK, but if can stretch the money go for 5700x3d or the regular 5700x
Bro I bought mine at 250 and like a week later it went on sale for 180 LMFAO I was salty
Incredible work! Thank you so much for this HU! Could start including more racing sim titles in the future such as Assetto Corsa Evo (when it launches), Le Mans Ultimate, Project Cars 2, iRacing, etc?
The 7600 looking real good in these benchmarks, under $200 and pretty close in performance to CPU's like the 14700k, 7700x and only 10% worse than the 14900k
lol share the crack around dude geez
Why would you buy the 7600 over the 7500f? I understand tariffs are coming to the US and they only come from china but still, much better value.
7600X3D is missing...
@@juul9098 where are you finding a 7500f for less than a 7600? The availability is much greater with the 7600
@@allu7112 Aliexpress mainly, I got one from there. In NZ the 7600 is $350+ and the 7500f is $250 shipped. (NZD of course.
Great info! I would suggest to add 'deviders' on the Y axis, like dotted line on each main monitor refresh rate, like 60, 120, 144, 240, so it would be easier to understand where to stop looking
Where should the 7600X3D be in this chart ?
Lower that 7800X3D but higher that 7700
In most games you can expect it to perform most comparably to the 7900X3D
@@kenshirogenjuro873 yep, higher model number doesn't mean higher FPS.
Just made a 5700x3d+4070tisuper system for a 4k60fps max graphics use case build, and it honestly feels like this setup will carry for at least 3 years before needing to crank down visual settings. So much headroom still.
as a single player gamer, feeling incredibly well about my 12400. such a value king.
oc it 5.2ghz gives you up to 30% perf.
@raulitrump460 I don't have one of the specific boards that can oc it.
Just gutted my build a few weeks ago and got a 7600 used for £140, 32GB of DDR5 6000hz CL30 for £85, a B650 for £160 and a 7900 XT for £640. The fact that my old 5600x sold for £95 is baffling to me given how much better the 7600 is in comparison. Even my 3080 sold for £420. For just an extra £150 or so, you can easily jump from AM4 to AM5 and see big performance gains, if you sell your old CPU, mobo and RAM (as AM5 boards only support DDR5). With UE5 gaining popularity, I went from a stuttering mess on STALKER 2 at around 70 FPS to 130+ FPS with zero stutters, because the 5000 series of Ryzen have big issues with UE5 where you have to disable cores to get a smoother experience.
Idk why you paid 165 for a B series the X series are 180.. Happy gaming
What I'm getting from this is that everyone should yolo buy a 9800X3D regardless of budget or purpose.
exactly 😄
if you want the best performance, yes, but if budget is an issue then other parts makes sense. The only difference is today, a cpu upgrade in the future is more than an ideal addition to your purchase planning
Think about this way, lets say you are building 2500$ PC, and you are thinking that should you buy 100$ expensive CPU or not, and lets say performance difference is %15, you will pay %4 more and gain %15 performance. When you build from scratch it should be the comparison, not CPU price vs CPU price imo. Same can be said for GPU.
I bought the 7500F and it only took 10 days to the UK for 120 quid all in. Amazing value while I wait for X3D prices to come back down.
really no reason to expect x3d prices to come down
@@nostrum6410 That remains to be seen
@@mods-qo4pr at best they might drop around nova lake launch, panther lake or whatever they end up going with
@@nostrum6410 or as we have seen with with the previous X3D, that demand slows and AMD responds with prices cuts. Only time will tell and meanwhile the 7500F will tick along nicely.
Just receive the 9600x I grabbed at 180 euro and upgrading for a 3600,it is going to be great
Yo también lo conseguí a 180 dólares, pero viniendo de un R5 2600x.
Hello Steve! We need a cozy christmas special video! Love
I have build my current pc from ali this spring sale, 12400f 85$ + b760 maxun terminator 62$ + 32gb 3600 30$ + 2tb fanxiang S790 60$ + used rx6600 localy for 190$ + used case 25$ = 450$, try beat that.
man i did similar for me as i had ddr4 2x8(trident z 3200) from old pc chose to get 12400f, the 12400f probably the best go to budget cpu its basically intel's version of the 5600 but usually performs more consistently also got a ASUS b760-g motherboard, 6700xt msi gaming x which i bought used for 280 AUD which made for a really nice white build on a budget obviously the graphics card isn't white with the money saved can buy better gpu that is white especially with 50 series and 8000series near, i was also very decisive about getting an am5 pc but thought that spending less now would be a better choice as i use a 3440x 1440 monitor so their is basically not much of a bottleneck, if someone has ddr4 available 12400f seams like a really solid choice even in 2024 and instead of dishing out crazy money on a cpu buy a better gpu or monitor as can confirm 1440p is much better looking than 1080p
Kingbank/juhor ram?
As someone on AM4 wanting a bit of an upgrade, the 5700X3D for $150 (on aliexpress) around Black Friday was too good to pass up. Should be delivered before the weekend.
it is a pity S.T.A.L.C.E.R 2 was not included - one of the games where you actually need good CPU - in towns howering at 30-40 fps with 5800x - so I needed to know which one to buy to get 60fps. :(
5700X3d would only be a 10%+ Upgrade, so you have to switch to AM5 if you want 60+ FPS
@r0xa18 7800x3d can't give above 45 FPS in heaven scenes on epic settings
Use fsr fg
@@FotonPC I´m playing stalker2 1440p epic with FG at 100-150, in towns easy drops to 60
I'm getting 50-90 fps with my Ryzen 7 7700
Graphics card is the bottleneck. 4K RTX 4070 optimised settings no TAA/Frame Gen or other smear modes.
Researching to build a pc for my little brother, these videos are gold, thank you!
7500F FTW
Love my 7500F! runs Great with tuned PBO and a 4070 Super for 1440P! will maybe look to upgrade to the 9800X3D next year when prices stabilize or maybe even wait for Zen 6 with a Gpu upgrade then.
What isn't taken into account here is that the x3d chips don't need as quick RAM speeds, and you could therefore save a lot on cheaper sticks. Especially with the am5 ones due to DDR5 RAM prices
Salty comments on 1080p testing coming in 3....2.....1.....
I'd rather buy a mid range chip now and another in 2 or so gens rather than one God tier one now, and hope it ages well. So for me I'd rather just know if an upgrade for 1440p is worth it now. Not salty, just a differing opinion 😊
@@Gridpipe But the amount variables involved are just too exhaustive. If you know enough about pc's to build your own & to make that decision, then surely you'd know enough to know where your own performance metrics will fall?
But all you need to do is look at a 1080p chart and ask which CPUs give you a satisfactory framerate compared to what you expect your GPU to achieve at 1440p. There’s no need to have a 1440p-specific test.
Which of these variables are not relevant to 1080p testing as well?. At the end of the day, all I care about is if it is worth upgrading today at 1440p, and 1080p testing scams many people in to thinking an upgrade is beneficial.
Honestly, they should be doing 720p testing, for future incoming Deck equivalents
I think the 12400F should have been tested with DDR4
I was able to snag a 5700X3d for 210 euros in Austria during black friday sales.
Super happy with it. Pairs extremely well with a 6800XT at 1440p. Somehow still CPU limited in Destiny 2 in some areas but im always above 160fps anyway so it doesnt matter (still strange that even with 3d im cpu limited).
I want to know why don't HU test Valorant in these cpu testing? It's one of the most popular cpu intensive game.
True. But it's quite easy to run on any CPU so that might be the case?
I get over 400fps on 7600x so with any better ones, you can just guess how much better it would've been
they have videos with valorant included. if you have an x3d chip or 12th-14th gen intel cpu you get insane frame rates.
7500f is widely available in Europe for 155€, 7600 goes for 195€ and that’s an easy 40€ saved for a better gpu or to offset the ram/mobo cost increase, it’s soooo good and has been for months. Glad I built 5 systems with it for my friends and everyone being happy
The 7 7700 (tray) is sometimes on flash sale for 200€
The 7500f is the best value CPU right now
unobtainable to most people so i dont really think it counts
@nostrum6410 why? Aliexpress doesn't ship globally?
A lot of EU vendors sell it officially. Just order from them if you want warranty and all that.
@hyperturbotechnomike if i can't buy it on newegg I don't buy it
The 7500F is available in some retailers in Europe. I saw it as low as 120 euro, although its price increased recently
I just upgraded to 5700X3D from 5600… best purchase of the year and will likely last me till AM6 releases
Eh...40% more frames is worth a platform upgrade.
14:52 WUT?? R5 7600 is neither $110 or AM4. I do get you got something mixed up but i don't know what given the $110 CPU is Intel and you're talking about AM4 upgrade path - or lack thereof.
someone is mixed up
i5-12600K is still going strong! 😊👍
I hope it will do it for kingdom come deliverance 2 in high 1440p
this is with ddr5 and 7200mhz lol
if you spend that money on ram, you can get 5700x3d instead. So nope.
its with ddr5 7200mhz.
Not the same with ddr4 3000mhz lol
Good to see Aussie Teddy still there ... still remember Kev from Tech Showdown fondly. o7
5700x3d for AM4, ryzen 7500f for am5 = budget
14600k for intel, 7600x3d for AM5 = midrange
intel = dead, 7800x3d/9800x3d for highend.
thats what i conclude.
Looks accurate to me
or 7950x/9950x for high end
@@InnerFury1886 i used a 7900 xtx and i use for 4k gaming
@@InnerFury1886 Another Thing is here in Germany the 7800x3d had a Price Value for the Moment at 529€...Just Crazy and the 7950x Cost at the Moment 475€
Bought 5700x3d of Aliexpress month ago for 154€ with free shipping. It's a monster compared to my good old 3600. And for this price it is absolute steal for us from EU. Prices here in EU are from 190€ and above for this puppy. :) EDIT: And I can see the biggest differences in 1 and 0.1% lows because I only have 3060Ti.
Imagine spending $1000 replacing a 14900K system with 98000X3D system and get 5% better FPS at 4K instead of spending $1000 replacing your 4070 with a 4090 and getting 100% better FPS.
Yeah but no one did that and no one ever will.
@Hardwawreunboxed 😂 you'd be surprised how dumb we can be
Almost fell for it but returned it.
Depends on region and use case.
The 4090 is more expensive in the EU.
The 4070 is a quarter of the price of the 4090.
I'd rather buy two 4070's and a better processor, more ram, install a hypervisor to get a PC two people can play with at the same time. 200% increase in fun.
@@Hardwareunboxed no one will buy these CPUs and game at 1080p!😁
What a chart, amazing work for the community, thank you!
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Hi Steve, did you have any trouble getting the Alder Lake CPUs to run DDR5 7200? Because I remember some people were struggling to get DDR5-6400 stable with the 12th gen (including the K processors with unlocked SA voltage), and they were blaming the IMC, but now it seems they can all hit DDR5-7200 (even the 12400 with locked SA)? Is it because of the faster RAM combined with 700 series motherboard (in other words it was never the IMC but the immature DDR5 RAM and 600 series motherboard)?
Granted,AMD is the better choice at this time, However, Steve skips right over most of Arrow Lakes good FPS numbers and focuses on the i-3's poor performance or some other figures instead When AMD tops the charts he's all over it, YOU'RE BIASED Steve!
Salty salty tears
Got a 7500F for cheap in a system I helped a friend build. Basically the same perf as the 7600, but at around 170-180$ here in Norway. The 7500F is not commonly available here at that price, though...
sir 1440p testing would really help
explain why
Testing CPUs at 1440p is misleading, as it creates a GPU bottleneck in many games. Why do you want to see 1440p CPU tests?
@@enderfox2667 Reality is a lot of people are playing at resolutions like 1440p with GPUs slower than the 4090 so what CPU actually serves them best may not match up with these results. The 14700K(F) for example often gets overlooked but is generally within margin of error of the gaming performance of the faster CPUs at 1440p let alone 4K especially if you have like a 4080 or 7900 card and substantially faster if you do anything outside of gaming and even some thread heavy games it is starting to make ground on some of the lesser threaded gaming CPUs while substantially cheaper, potentially even half the price, of some of the alternative CPUs.
Sure things might change a bit with faster GPUs when the likes of the nVidia 5000 series are available but by the time it makes a significant difference most of these CPUs are likely going to be well on their way to obsolescence.
So happy with my 7500F. Slightly overclocked it, and performs like a champ and doesn't consume much power. 👍
It was a major step up from my 7700K at a super reasonable price, and now I'll be ready to upgrade to a beasty X3D chip in a couple of years for another nice upgrade.
14600k the clear winner
How is it a "clear winner" when Ryzen 7 7600X is 4.44% cheaper and only 0.7% slower? ;-)
@igorthelight Now go find me a board that's cheaper :)
@@JoeMaranophotography Fair point!
Being a fellow Aussie I sometimes wonder whether you guys actually sleep posting well into the night!
crazy from a console player pc hardware is not at 4k 120fps at every single game with ease. we have been conditioned to think pc was so much more powerful yet these new unreal engine 5 games running like shit even on a 4090 lol
i think it is just different:
for consoles games are optimised by developers from the beginning (mostly).
but for pc - it is up to you to optimise your pc for almost every game.
PCs are massively more powerful. The consoles do not do 4K 120, s d in almost every case they’re using FSR and medium textures. They’re not even the same games visually.
Consoles like the PS5 don't know what 4K is. And I have a PS5 console myself. Most PS5 native games are 1080p (or even lower) 60FPS upscaled to 4K. They can't achieve native 4K even at 30FPS. You have to run old PS4 games to make real 4K 30FPS. Any 4 year old PC can do that with ease.
UE5 is running shit because of the CPU-bound coding. They're done some updates, I think 5.3, that boosted performance by some 30% but they still have a way to go for sure. UE5.0 has BIG ISSUES on CPUs.
no console runs any game at 4k lol
The video I've been waiting for. Thank you for your hard work!
Proud 7600 owners arise
Can you guys do tests on multicore heavy games like cities skylines 2?
14900k/13900k is the best option to those who actually know
Fr last week I bought the 14900KS and with my H170i AIO in games it maxes out at 75° and only in blender tests I got 98° with multi core enhancement and thermal velocity boost enabled and let me tell you it's a monster, looking forward to upgrade to the rtx 5090 next month so I can finally game at 4k/240
With RTX3090Ti SLI of course if you want to tip a breaker.
@@lharsayIt takes almost 3700W to trip a breaker at 230V assuming it's 16A
@@MatiSob09 The US has 100V from the wall so you only need 1600W to trip a 16A breaker. I heard it used to be an issue when people made 3-4 way SLI systems with the GTX480.
@@lharsay Oh yeah I forgot my bad
very nice video, as always. Btw i think we are not realizing enough that even very low end or "entry level" cpus are able to reach 90-ish to 120 fps
have we ever had a situation like this in pc tech history? xD
Its a real shame the 7600x3d was only released in the US + germany id love to see it in these charts
would love to see a classic cpu / gpu scaling video
what is actually terrifying here is how every single game footage is full of stutters and freezes regardless of framerate
very happy with my 7600,in the future at the end of am5 i am sure they release a budget v cache like the 5700x 3d which will be th best time for upgrade
One of the best videos when deciding for a CPU, mobo and ram.
I had kept my 7950x3d until the zen6 & rdna5 release.
Would have loved to see a 7600x3D on this list
I remember the 7800x3d was available for 270$ on Aliexpress but i bought the 7700 for 170$ i have no regrets
Upgraded 2 yrs ago from i5-6500/rx580 to i5-12600k/rtx4070 best decision ever.
If going with the 7600 as I get the future upgrading potential, all I would say is... I would recommend going with a MOBO from the latest Gen of the MOBO's as this would allow you to be more future ready for upgrading, plus ALL up to date features, that way it is literally just a CPU swap when upgrading.
There is nothing (besides USB4 and multiple M.2 gen5's) that a X870 or B850 can do, that a X670 or B650 can not do. And all B650 and X670 sold to day (as long as it's not old stock) has the ryzen 9000 series bios update. So that is a really bad advise. So as long as you do not need USB4 and/or multiple gen 5 M.2's, buy the one that suites your need and wallet.
@Audiosan79 it is old stock. They are not going to keep making 670-650 while they are now making 870-850! And I dont see your point... Im saying sure get the older CPU, but get the newest board you can, and not hardware that has sat on the shelf for a year or so. So again I stand by my point, I'm not trying to hate on anyone buying the older board but in everyway the newer board is newer so why wouldn't you use it and as you said it has extra stuff regardless how little you consider it, why not give your platform the best possible base for you to build around it especially when trying to view an upgrade path. If you are an AMD user that swaps MOBOs every few years anyways, to keep up with memory speeds, etc. Then it doesn't matter get whats cheapest on the chipset you want regardless of the 6 or 8, but If you are a builder hoping to stretch the motherboard for as long as possible then get the newest one
@@TriPBOOMER Tell that to my Asus tuf B650 pluss wifi that i got 2 weeks ago. With the ryzen 9000 ready sticker on the box. So i call your BS. It has extra USELESS stuff. yeah. But that's nothing to pay for. And one can update bios without a CPU on all boards to day. So no reason to pay twice the money for the extra useless stuff. Even the chipsets is the same.
@@Audiosan79 ''Sticker'' You say!...🤣🤣 so they flashed the bios on old stock and stuck a sticker on it then! 😂🤣
@@TriPBOOMER They update the bios before they ship out the boards to retailers. Yes. They have done so since end of June/start of July this year. You obviously have no clue how things are done, or how things work. Maybe you should not give out any buyers advise.
Thank you for your hard work. I believe many people would appreciate it if, in addition to 1080p, could also see the 1440p and 4K testing results, if possible. This would be a realistic scenario and i saw results in 1440p in some games that are diametral different than in 1080p. It is very likely that those who can afford and are willing to buy a 4090 won't play in 1080p resolution.
Thank you for including the 9700x.