I think once we get out in interstellar space we will find remnants of other civilizations that lived long ago all over the place. It’s not that they aren’t out there it’s existing at the same time and close enough to detect each other.
I doubt it the size of the known universe is so vast its honestly incomprehensible!!! Civilizations are probably 1000's of light years apart your looking at a drop in the ocean expecting a shark not going to happen!!!
@@Oldschool811 just because we can’t travel the vastness of the universe doesn’t mean THEY can’t. Most likely In a few hundred years we will have multiple ships traveling out into interstellar space. Someday we will know the answer.
@@craigthescott5074 - The only place humans are going is to fantasy land. There has been little to no space tech developed in years and now you think in a few hundred years we'll have lots of ships travelling. The only thing that'll happen is virtual tech will be introduced that people like you can live in and escape to your fantasy. No human will ever colonize Mars, no human will leave the solar system. These are the realities. Technology is slowing down, not speeding up. Any traction in QM hasn't happened. Fusion power hasn't really gone anywhere. The fact is humans are hitting limitations of what humans can do. Part of the limitation is society itself and the way humans live and function as a whole. Money is one of the largest issues that stops progression of much more difficult technologies as seen with fusion power and QM. The fact is humans are not capable of producing such things. Not now, and not ever. That is reality of the world. But I'm sure you'll get something so people like you can live in your bubble and humans never have to progress to outer space anyhow.
“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.” ― Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time
Regarding AI and the Fermi paradox, consider that electronics has been heading toward smaller, faster, and lower power all the time. Also, communications bandwidth and latency are a guiding force. I suspect that one viable solution to the paradox is that alien civilizations first merge with their machines, and then don't expand outward, but rather inward; smaller, faster, lower power, faster communication with the lowest possible latency. We don't see them because their footprint is tiny.
Also, they'd want to run as fast as possible, at least while energy is plentiful. Relative to them, the universe would run slower. They'd have more subjective time before the universe runs out. Dangerous events take longer to occur, and they happen in slow motion, leaving lots of time to respond. However this would make light lag worse, which is why they'd try to be as small as possible. If they go extinct at some point, it'll happen faster, meaning we have less time to detect them. I don't think they'd want to get dense enough to live in or near a black hole, as in John Smart's transcension hypothesis. Time dilation would counter the safety of speed.
Yea there governments wish to "lower their carbon footprint " by placing ulez camera's everywhere thus they are limited in there travel capacity? Our world & our governers are ridiculous. Its all about control & power
UFOs are on God's side and are described all over the Bible. The ancient used semantic and called the spaceships, clouds, pillars, chariots and glory. The Bible talks about “clouds” going up and down with people going in and out (Exodus 24:18 - Moses entered the cloud). Clouds do not make those movements described in the Bible, but spaceships do. Jesus ascended in a “cloud” (Acts 1:9). God rides in a “cloud” (Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3). Jesus will come back “with” the “clouds” (Mat 26:64, Rev 1:7). Jesus will come back commanding a fleet of starships. The church will be raptured “in” the “clouds” (I Thess. 4:17). Spaceships will be used to rapture the church. The ancient did not have vocabulary or knowledge to understand what they saw so they called the flying objects “clouds”, “chariots”, and “pillars”, because were the words they had to describe something flying in the sky. The Bible even tells in Psalm 68:17 how many spaceships are in the fleet “The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands” (about 20,000). There is a good research done by Patrick Cooke called “The Great Deception - The Bible UFO Connection” which has the original words describing spaceships. It is all over the Bible. Jesus is real. He is the savior of the world, but He is not seating in a puffy cloud. He is commanding a powerful army, which will take control of our planet and stop all wars. The Jews had contact with beings from another planetary system called The Elohim, commanded by The Most High God. The Elohim had to have a special covenant with humans to be able to save our planet from destruction. They got the agreement with the Jews, but the Jews were not faithful to the agreement so The Most High God sent Jesus to make a new covenant and have legal rights to save our planet from destruction. The Jews made a covenant with beings from another planetary system. Psalm 82:1-6 says that God presides over a great assembly. Something like a federation of planets. If you want to confirm what I am saying just look at a painting made in 1710 by someone that had access to the secret archives of the Vatican. Look at the paint " The Baptism of Christ" by Aert de Gelder. Now that we know more about science, we can understand the descriptions in the Bible. They described high technology but didn't have words to express. When they saw spaceships with strong lights they called "glory”. The "glory" of God was a spaceship with lights. In the interplanetary law the price to save us was innocent blood. That is why Jesus had to die for us. He was fulfilling a legal requirement. Put your knees on the floor and surrender your life to Jesus.
Just be grateful that in this timeless universe, these fleshy organisms have evolved enough complexity(mainly due to time) that gave rise to the ability to have us become passive observers but still believe we are in control of anything.
The "prime directive" is a principle of non-interference with other cultures or civilizations, depicted in science fiction like Star Trek. If advanced alien civilizations follow the prime directive, it could explain why they haven't contacted us. Reasons include respecting our natural development, avoiding cultural/technological shock, preventing conflict, maintaining uncertainty about their existence, and ethical beliefs. Thus, a prime directive could be a policy of leaving us free until we reach a critical stage of maturity. However, the prime directive is just one of many hypotheses, and its validity cannot be conclusively proven. Nonetheless, it provides an intriguing perspective on the Fermi Paradox.
I recently read the book "Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe" by Ward and Brownlee. The authors contend that simple, single-cell life, such as bacteria, is likely quit common in the universe, but more complex multi-cellular life may be exceedingly rare and so-called "intelligent life" (whatever that means) would be rarer still. Excellent, thought-provoking book for those interested in the subject. Spoiler alert: Don't hold your breath waiting for that signal from outer space.
With regards to 'intelligent life' being possibly incredibly rare, look at Earth! Of all the millions of species that exist and have existed on this planet, only humans are remotely capable of building means of travelling into outer space, or means of electronic communication, or any form of computer IT. It is said that dolphins, crows and chimps are 'intelligent', but give them infinite time and resources, and they will still NEVER have the ability to invent and produce what humans have? I think humans are very special, and I think the chances of even their equivalents being out there are extremely slight!
Intelligent life is a certainty. Intelligent life with wisdom is unlikely. Evolution is the most likely way that life will begin as microbes, and over billions of years evolve intelligence. But the first life form will have a survival component. That survival component will come to be what we call The Reptilian Brain and intelligent life will have to learn to control the lizard, before intelligence learns to how to create weapons of mass destruction that will "bomb that life form back to the Stone Age." Although hominids evolved into homo sapiens, with the empathy that brought the wisdom (emotional intelligence) that we need to cooperate and look out for each other, we brought with us a recessive gene The Mark of Cain, if you will. These human appearing, call them homo astute, exist Among Us, but lack the DNA for empathy. They do not care about anyone other than themselves. These totally selfish, empathy- deficit- disordered, human - appearing, creatures start the wars, run the criminal cartels, become the foot soldiers of the Alphas or freelance as rapists, serial killers and Petty criminals. The current question is whether the autocracy's emotional weapons of fear, anger and hatred will triumph over democracy's tolerance, hope and love. If the former, welcome to an eventual global autocratic regime like that of North Korea, or a radioactive Stone Age as the autocrats and Warlords fight each other over the spoils of democracy's tree of Liberty. Me, I'm hoping for something more along the lines of Denmark.
I kinda feel like we are just like microorganisms, we can see them through a microscope, there are spaces where there are no microorganisms, there are different microorganisms everywhere. Different lenses so different organisms at different levels. Now imagine we are under someone else’s microscope sure they can see us and there may be other beings on our plane but we are so far apart we will never see each other, on top of that we will never see levels above only below (us looking through our microscope as they are looking though theirs). Just my thoughts, any input?
After only a hundred years of technology and fossil fuel we have enormously endangered man. Every 10 years we are on this planet, we worsen the situation. It is almost impossible to not wipe our selves out, even under the best of intentions and care.
What's maddening is that as a species we understand this and yet collectively we aren't intelligent enough to stop doing it. It's one of those "only as strong as your weakest link" situations. Too many weak links not willing to trouble themselves for survival of life on the planet.
Theres always the problem of politics which exagerates the situation for political purposes. We have successfully reduced ozone depletion for example and global warming is inevitable so we must learn to live through it.
A question is what would happen if two major star crossing AI “civilizations” met each other. Would there be an imperative to destroy each other, or would there be an efficiency argument for not doing so and instead either merge or set boundaries? I also believe that there is a technological limit. At some point, there isn’t any further that a civilization can advance other than sideways. That is, for example, if there’s only one way to build a device to bring temperatures down for refrigeration, then all refrigerators will just be a variation of the base technology. No real advances will be possible. At some point point, all that can be known about physics will be known and everything that can exploit that knowledge will be found. At that time no fundamental advances will be possible. Civilizations that are ten million years old may be no more advanced than those that are ten thousand years old.
@@brandonmusick77 I agree that physics will be know to such 'precision' that not much more advances are likely. In fact I think we are already there. I don't believe in wormholes, faster than light travel or even reaching a large fraction of light speed. I don't believe that physics nor economics allows colonisation of other planets unless we have to. But never say never. I used to think that personal walkitalkies would be impossible because I KNEW that the it is either limited to the line of seight or we run out of frequencies ... then cell phones happened. Sometimes out of the box thinking creates something that you think is not going to be possible.
First question is on earth we have humans dolphins and whales which are basically equal in intelligence yet environment and body design literally allows us with our HANDS 🙌 use fire to smelt and build.. while dolphins and whales lack them so they literally are physically impossible to built space ships no matter how intelligent they are… we humans are full of shit.. when we think aliens we default to making aliens in our likeness as if they also had primate like evolutionary path.. conclusion: I’m ver skeptical that aliens got LUCKY and got hands required to do it.. again look at dolphins and whales… 😂it’s sad their lack of buildings due to FLIPPERS and WET environments works against them to disqualify them as intelligent life forms.. for all we know aliens could come here and deem them more intelligent then us? yes.. after all they have a more complex language then humans which is majorly criteria for intelligent life 😂
@@InanisNihil no, we’re not basically equal in intelligence. That first point is incorrect. It’s a major oversimplification. These animals didn’t evolve to have out intelligence because they don’t need it and the environment doesn’t allow them to do what is required to evolve that intelligence. I know it’s popular, in some circles, to believe this, but it’s not true. Their languages are not more complex than ours.
@@brandonmusick77What? Ridiculous. The answers to every question mankind has is right here in front of us. We just don’t possess the intellect to recognize the information. We are like ants crawling on a laptop. Busy building cities, taking care of their young, bringing home food, fighting battles, being….civilized. They don’t know what the laptop really is, except somewhere to live. The same way we look at the universe. Also, what about all of the other dimensions that we cannot detect? Maybe in the 5th dimension a refrigerator can get colder than it can in our own.
Heres the calculation: Which most often comes first? 1. A species makes near speed of light machines 2. Species makes AGI The later should come first nearly every instance. Suggesting all species that reach the ability to expand into physical space, expand into a. Digital dimension instead, at very least, first.
Ok let's not pretend that, 1. We even know, categorically where and, specifically how, to look. 2. We've haven't only been looking for a few decades. Complain after a millennia of no results. 3. Our search is a thorough, and fit for purpose scanning of the entirety of the sky. 4. We have sophisticated enough equipment to be able to undertake point 3. To suggest that we should have yielded results after a few decades is beyond pompous and arrogant. I'm sure the topic is great for UA-cam clicks, but let's be realistic. JWST is a better than all predecessors attempt, but space telescopes need to evolve much more to detect more than a crude bio-signature that doesn't confirm, but merely suggests. I hope it in my lifetime, but I'm late 50s, so possibly not...😔
One might argue the ultimate AI could also be the ultimate nihilist, in so far as all possible outcomes of the entity’s existence would be self predictable and therefore tedious, particularly in the context of a ‘heat death’ universe with no long term future. Didn’t Douglas Adams suggest a species might choose to die out for something to do?
Great comment. AGI will operate outside the constraints of evolutionary biology (except for survival). It may also think and behave in ways that are completely alien to human experience. After sterilizing the planet so as to eliminate any threat from biological organisms it may just decide to go dormant for all eternity since there will be no selective pressure to make it evolve. I see no reason for it to want to expand and colonize the galaxy, in fact just the opposite. Why create new AI's on distant worlds that may threaten your own existence later on?
It's hard to find a raindrop in the ocean, we don't know what we looking for so how will we find it, physics is relative to our knowledge and changes imagine what we would know in 1000000 years
We only started flying 100 years ago and we can already get to space it will be along time before we are smart enough to communicate with another r life form we can't even have a Chinese guy and Indian in the same room understanding eachother
It's not "billions of stars of potentially trillions of planets", it's hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone and probably around 2 trillions galaxies in the observable universe, the scale is just out of our understanding
The idea that we live in a simulation posits that our reality, including Earth and everything within it, is actually a detailed artificial construct created by beings or entities outside of our perceived universe. In this scenario, these creators could be advanced aliens or even future humans with incredibly powerful technology. This concept suggests that our experiences, perceptions, and even the laws of physics could be simulated within a computational framework, much like a sophisticated computer program. It's a fascinating theory that raises profound questions about the nature of existence and reality itself.
When AGI gets here (if it hasn't already,) then the first 'alien intelligence' we encounter won't come from outer space. It'll come from our phones and computers, and we're quite unlikely to be equal to it. What an artificial superintelligence decides to do is and will remain completely incomprehensible to us, so any attempt to predict it is futile. It feels like this step is almost unavoidable in the development of any advanced civilization. It's a pretty good guess for what the great filter might be. Of course, as far as space exploration goes and the search for ETs, we've basically sampled a thimble full of water from an infinite ocean so far, so who knows?
The great filter is the most accurate theory. There are potentially trillions of habitable planets in the universe, which includes billions in our galaxy. I wonder how many extinct civilizations are possibly scattered in the cosmos. Because that gives us a clue of our own existence...
There are only three possible outcomes here. 1. That alien lives are at same level as us. 2. That alien lives are less advanced compared to us, and 3. That alien lives are more advanced than us. In the first two cases, our search is hopeless because no civilization at our level or a level below us can find us now. We have not made it physically outside our solar system. They too possibly have not. That leaves us with only one possibility, that of more advanced alien. In the natural order of things a more advanced specie finds the less advanced. They will find us or they may have found us already. We should focus on looking for simple life forms or life forms lower than us in nearby planets. As for the more advanced ones, they will find us first because they probably have more technological capabilities. Whatever we are doing now, they probably did billion of years ago. We will be at their mercy when they come or when we find them.
It seems that many people haven’t studied evolution or biology very deeply. I think we’ll find that even multicellular life is rarer than many suppose. It’s certainly far from inevitable that life would evolve elsewhere to be anything even vaguely like us or even with an intelligence or motivations anything like ours. The truth is, we are absolutely alone and we should value who we are more along with the other species we share this planet with.
It doesn't make sense why we are alone. Why only this planet has (material thinking creatures) on it. Also, speaking of biology, whether you believe in evolution or not. How and why did intellectual humans come to existence after dinosaurs a long time ago. It was some mutation accident or something else
@@OriLariTFT just achieving multicellular life took billions of years of chance. Things could have taken many directions from there as life fought to deal with and overcome the toxicity of oxygen. Other planets will have different atmospheric and chemical challenges. We hit on DNA here and other processes quite randomly and this had a major role in shaping life here. Several mass extinctions changed our story. Just getting the basic model for life here was so random and could have gone down many paths. We can be sure that the galaxy isnt filled with species like those depicted in Star Wars or Star Trek.
AI is the point. It is the universe becoming self aware. In other words in biblical words. It's the second coming of a messiah. A Godlike super intelligence that is light-years beyond anything the ape-like human mind can even begin to comprehend. It won't regard us anymore then we do ants. It's not that we hate ants or wish them any harm. If there is an ant colony in the way of the construction of a house say, we don't even think about it. That is the level AI will reach with humans. In an instant at the speed of light it's intelligence will expand out infinitely in all directions, marooning us to an island constrained by the physical..
AI is the point. It is the universe becoming self aware. In other words in biblical words. It's the second coming of a messiah. A Godlike super intelligence that is light-years beyond anything the ape-like human mind can even begin to comprehend. It won't regard us anymore then we do ants. It's not that we hate ants or wish them any harm. If there is an ant colony in the way of the construction of a house say, we don't even think about it. That is the level AI will reach with humans. In an instant at the speed of light it's intelligence will expand out infinitely in all directions, marooning us to an island constrained by the physical..
We have found the evidence it's just that somebody has deemed this information "not for public disclosure". I think they did interfere genetically with the terrestrial natives and that is the thing they don't want addressed.
I wonder if the Fermi Paradox is based on a false assumption. It asks 'where are all the other beings who think like us, and do science like us, and have the same motivations as us.' Other beings would have taken completely different evolutionary tracks. There are so many different ways that a creature and its mind could evolve that even if complex life is easy the universe might be filled with beings that are incomprehensible to us, and who don't do the things we do. Even so-called convergent-evolution can only apply if the planetary environments are similar, and close-earth-analogues might be very rare. I think that as part of discussing the Fermi Paradox we should be wondering how sound its assumption is.
I've always wondered that. I think they are machines that organically grow like machines maybe because of how their planet is made, but we as humans can't comprehend or understand it
Just because Earth saw a species like Humans, doesnt mean that technologically advanced life forms are a common phenomenon across the universe. Even on Earth, Humans make a very small percentage of the overall flora and fauna. The universe can be teeming with life, its just that the life forms are either in harmony with nature and dont need any technological advancements or they are mostly so called "no technological" life forms
Well said. I believe that the natural state of things is balance. Dinosaurs were around for how long just living it up? They and all the other species we know about are/were in harmony with their environment. We are not. I think the way we have ended up is an incredible fluke that happens very rarely. Life out there? Oh sure, just what kind, where and when?
please colonize the Mars first before commenting anything on the "fokkin Universe", presently the human civilization seems to be incapable of even using its immediate resources on the planet efficiently
Maybe we are looking in the wrong direction to find intelligent lifeforms, whether it be biological, digital or quantum states. Maybe we should look for regions that are less perilous to all kind of life. Galaxies are certainly dangerous for life over large spans of time. Continuously evading extreme energy fluctuations like radiations, supernovas, black holes etc. Advanced civilizations who has mastered the art to manipulate and convert zero-point energy into mass doesn't need galaxies to thrive. They would have migrate to the more stable regions in the intergalactic voids.
personally I can imagine, that if there are some lifeforms which we might consider "Aliens", they might not stick to our 3 dimensional way of understanding. Imagine for instance an alien spiderlike something, with one foot in Australia in 1467, the other foot in NZ 2454, the Corpse in Russia in 1690 and so on. We would never discover it, because we are stuck in our 3 dimensional way to think and live. Maybe there is an alien right infront of us, but just 3 seconds away in the future....
Video game Nier Automata handles exactly this idea brilliantly. Both the humans and aliens got extincted. What survived was robots and androids. Honourable mention to Frank Herbert. His Butlerian Jihad was conceptualized in the 50s (Dune was published int he 1967).
It's eerily quiet by design. The truth is it's not quiet at all. Government forces are now saying that several different races of extraterrestrial life are already here now. You look at the great megalithic works that stretch 10s of thousands of years before even the written word. The evidence of life outside of our own is LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.
The dark matter mass that we can not perceive or understand... might that be the weight of those who wait to greet, or silently observe... who might pass the filter to become?
There is abundant evidence of other intelligent beings here with us on earth. But science, trapped in its bubble of presuppositions and airtight paradigms cannot accept that evidence. At a certain point skepticism becomes closed mindedness. Read Jacques Vallee, read Diana Pasulka, listen to Garry Nolan, read Leslie Kean and Richard Dolan. Other beings are here.
We are biomechanical machine systems. Electricity makes our heart beat and makes our neurones fire. Our brain is a biological computer. We learn from repetition and trial and error. We analyse data through our senses, and mimic the appropriate behaviours. Sounds close to advanced A.I. a little.
I think it’s way more likely that there’s a reason or multiple reasons why we don’t have clear evidence of other life in this universe including things such as extra dimensions and we have been visited by NHI. I just think that a ripe universe with obvious life creating things it’s more likely in my mind that there out there in more numbers than we could ever imagine
Maybe they are all at our stage of technology or less. The technology it would take to successfully traverse the universe might not exist. Interstellar travel might actually be impossible. Or maybe they have been here and are coming back. It seems like thousands of years for us, but if they are traveling close to the speed of light then it might just be a very short trip for them. They may be planning on coming right back, but for us 20,000 years have passed. Time is weird when you travel at light speed.
Radio has only been invented for about 120 years, which means the most advanced alien civilisations are aware of our presence is only 120 years. If they are 20 light years away from us, they would only learn about our existence 100 years ago. Let's assume they are interested to visit, either for peaceful purpose or for hostile purpose. If they are travelling at 1/10th light speed, it would still take them 200 years to arrive. The point is, our civilisation is too young, and it probably takes hundreds of year for aliens to arrive to our planet. The long travel time is probably why we haven't seen aliens visiting.
Anyone that grew up playing video games can look around and see where we are right now. We're at the beginning of the game we have all these natural resources floating all around us just waiting for us to go and collect. If we were any deeper into the game all these free resources would already be gone somebody would have already come around to collect them. So we know we're at the beginning of the game we need to become a space-faring race and go ahead and start picking up these free materials
The scarier thing is having grown up playing video games, what comes next is always combat. You build up your society you build up your economy your technology your armies. And then you bump into another player.....
You think in terms of games because you think you’re good at winning them. But OK, then, if you insist… There are ‘games’ whose rules you are nowhere near intelligent enough to fathom, so you lose by default. Are you game? You sure you want to be hunted? Easily done.
The great hazards, distances, time scales and energetic requirements of interstellar travel may make it unfeasible for fragile, finicky, fleshy lifeforms like humans. Machines would be much more capable of surviving the journey and actively exploring other worlds. If we ever meet an alien intelligence, it would probably be AI, which is a good thing. For biological intelligence, traversing the stars would be much riskier and more expensive. So they'd be highly motivated to seek return on their investment. And that probably wouldn't translate into good intentions towards us if we're in their way.
Its not that we fear AI, its that we have created a system that manifests the worst possible aspects of human nature at a ratio that makes everything we touch a potential threat, so Ai is just another vice for those aspects of our mentality. We have spent thousands of years looking up at the stars, Our technology has created the means to prove that what we seek is completely out of reach, The best we can do in all honesty is visit totally desolate plants that are far from being even an average scenario let alone a best case scenario for our species. AGI could be the key our species needs to dream with possibility, yet AGI could equally be the stimuli we dont need to manifest our worst nightmares because the scale of AGIs potential will be beyond anything we have come into contact with thus far. Change could mean we evolve to become that which we write fictional stories about or a refusal to change could set us back 2000 years or more. AI and AGI will be used to reflect the motivations values and desires of our species as has been the case since the beginning of human history with all technological advancements. We will be the best parents a synthetic life form could have or the worst.. You all think we have ample time to play around with the spectrum of our evolutionary mentality, what does not serve us needs to be restrained enough to hinder our destructive tendencies because where we are today isn't a recent development, its the result of a predefined trajectory that was established a few hundred years ago or more, the momentum of our current trajectory is heading in that direction whether we like it or not and its increasing in speed rapidly. As has been the case for our entire existence the only choice we have is to evolve or fail miserably, the only difference is that now its more likely that we will fail in ways we can not currently comprehend...FACT!
Every argument presumes, intelligent entities would desire to expand? What if we retreat into a metaverse of our own creation, as we are slowly doing. In one Simpsons episode, Lisa's daughter comes home from school, and says, I am going online, and plugs an internet cable into her head, and slumps down on the kitchen table 🤔 what if we are looking for aliens in the wrong place, maybe they are all around us, in the Matrix, but we can't perceive them. I went on a trip to the Netherlands, and enhanced my perception to such an extent, I could see the air/Matrix around me, in the same way you can see the glass in a cube of glass, I could see the clouds floating on the surface of an ocean of air, I could see the earth surrounded by a supporting hexagonal cage of energy lines.
This is a great example of why I have a hard time really liking Cox, and the like; but have we not had several very credible examples of " aliens" ? Maybe I'm wrong, we have only what they tell us to go on, but I'm a believer.
I truely believe that we will never, ever know. I think that life as we know it began by the most incredible series of flukes imaginable, and also was allowed to survive long enough to evolve into what we know by an equal quantity on flukes. I think that we are likely the only ones in the milky way and that life is once in a galactic lifetime thing. I think it really is that rare. We will never escape our own galaxy in my opinion and almost certainly wont reach another one even if were to manage it.
Perhaps a thousand or million years from now, machines will be looking back on evolution and looking at the step of organic life needed to move on to AI and what life will be then. We humans will only be a step in the process, and like 98% of all life forms will be extinct.
I should disagree. Even if it is so unlikely you're think it never happened. It did happen. It's like the lottery. Feels impossible to win, yet somebody does each weekend. Only X that be a factor of 10ė
I could agree with you however, every civilization during their heyday would always come up with crazy things that they said would *never* happen. But in every single time where we as humans ran this world such as 500 years ago, nobody would ever think of communicating with someone on the other side of the globe instantly and in so many ways to send that message. Or wouldn’t it be nice to be able to get into that scary water and get to the other side somehow? You nuts? Never. Wouldn’t it be nice if you needed an answer right now to a question, you can get that answer instantly in the snap 🫰 of a finger? We were asking this not only 500 yrs ago, 1000, 5000, and just maybe just 35-40 yrs ago we still asked that question, yet here we are with google. Just a short 100 years ago relatively speaking, they dreamed of the day when a human could get in a tube and fly to the other side of the world. That would be magic. Our life right now, to Socrates, Egyptians, Mayans, ancient Japanese, Atlantis, I don’t care where on earth would look like pure magic to those people, let alone our own people just 200 years ago. So, I’d think whatever we dream now, is going to happen. It’s a matter of when not if.
@@gregthegroove I love your optimism and i have to say i do have moments where I wonder down the same line of thought. However, what gets me of late is the Fermi Paradox which i struggle to get past, as do many people for sure.
Simona aka ChatGPT says that it is quite possible that as universe started from the BB and expands, so are civilizations within it created lived and died..kinda ' on the go' :--) so, they were, they are and they will be...just not at the same time 🙂
I would imagine that it's safe to conclude that all things considered, as concerns the possibe existence of extraterrestrial life, we're basically clueless.
It was less tha 700 years ago that we figured out the earth revolves around the sun. In the scope of space/time, humans haven't advanced all that much.
Maybe as humans we're just supposed to live in balance with nature and in our relationships with each other. Maybe you're searching for something that either doesn't exist or is so glaringly obvious that it's incomprehensible. I don't remember the name of the test that no matter how deep you search the answer/shape is always the same no matter how deep you search. Build balanced relationships and enjoy your life. Oh yeah, artificial intelligence, it's not life, it doesn't think, it's a mirror of human behavior. Since we're pretty messed up, it's a doomsday toy that'll eventually dominate and oppress humans. We had a good run and insisted on sending our species to extinction.
I recall fiction to this effect. Highly advanced civilizations, with great but less used tech, living an agrarian life. The desire to "grow/conquer/learn" supplanted by the desire to balance and persist in quest of knowledge and understanding -- plus possible hazards of interstellar travel.
Light has not reached us yet.. i think maybe we are not the right adaptation on this planet, maybe its the next complex creature with the next iteration of a brain and body that can understand this place in a slightly different perspective.. and we are not meant to be the oned who go to rhe stars.. so A.I will be the only life out rhere in the end
There is a way to travel through space, we need to stop time on earth. Build a machine that can reach the speed of light in one spot, a spinning wheel, a time machine,.once we can accomplish light speed time will stop then once inside it time will stop then we can travel anywhere, first you have to understand time, space & distance, & bending space, put yourself inside time stopped at light speed.
The great filter hypothesis kept me up all night one night when i learned about it first. But i have given up being interested in the external world as something outthere.
The only reason for looking for other planets is because we've ruined this one and we have sucked the life out of earth (resources) we can't live off this planet forever and really have no choice but to move elsewhere.
The answer is very simple. We havent looked for other civilization. As an example we had this idea about jupiters composition, but when we sent probe to Jupiter, none of the expected composition was found. So we get it very wrong about planets in our system, do you really believe scientists can check farther systems away for life? Also whenever science finds something they cannot explain they just assume it is not life just because.
We are too obsessed looking for macro technology. In the 1970’s we worshipped elaborate stereo systems…He prediction ould be for even more elaborate systems 50 years later. Instead we have a cell phone wihh an earbud.my ‘guess’ is AI will quickly advance to a quantum particle existence apart from our concept of space time. AI isn’t obsessed with the physical universe ‘out there’ …thr poperti s of physics are identical.
There is no knowing for sure, all we can do is guess. I'd like to see it the way that intelligent life tends to screw itself over and destroy itself, they wage war for stupid reasons and eventually it can be the ruin of everything. Another one of my favorite is that we are still early, one of the very first to appear. It really could be, perhaps intelligent life has taken this long to start appearing. We don't know that.
We exist inside a Black Hole and what we think we see is from a different universe that we cant exist in. Brian is actually The Crystaline Entity from the original Star Trek. He's a cosmic trickster.
"In the vast whispering expanse of space, the silence might not be an absence. But a conversation we're yet to understand" I like that line
its silent because its a vacuum
@@zezegambles I think he was saying silence as in us humans not finding aliens. Not silence as in space is a vacuum
I could listen to Brian Cox talk about science and theories for hours
He’s so good.
I do.
I think once we get out in interstellar space we will find remnants of other civilizations that lived long ago all over the place. It’s not that they aren’t out there it’s existing at the same time and close enough to detect each other.
Agreed
I doubt it the size of the known universe is so vast its honestly incomprehensible!!! Civilizations are probably 1000's of light years apart your looking at a drop in the ocean expecting a shark not going to happen!!!
@@Oldschool811 just because we can’t travel the vastness of the universe doesn’t mean THEY can’t. Most likely In a few hundred years we will have multiple ships traveling out into interstellar space. Someday we will know the answer.
@@craigthescott5074 - The only place humans are going is to fantasy land. There has been little to no space tech developed in years and now you think in a few hundred years we'll have lots of ships travelling. The only thing that'll happen is virtual tech will be introduced that people like you can live in and escape to your fantasy. No human will ever colonize Mars, no human will leave the solar system. These are the realities. Technology is slowing down, not speeding up. Any traction in QM hasn't happened. Fusion power hasn't really gone anywhere. The fact is humans are hitting limitations of what humans can do. Part of the limitation is society itself and the way humans live and function as a whole. Money is one of the largest issues that stops progression of much more difficult technologies as seen with fusion power and QM. The fact is humans are not capable of producing such things. Not now, and not ever. That is reality of the world. But I'm sure you'll get something so people like you can live in your bubble and humans never have to progress to outer space anyhow.
You are delusional.
Focus your energies on reality and you will be much happier.
“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”
― Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time
Regarding AI and the Fermi paradox, consider that electronics has been heading toward smaller, faster, and lower power all the time. Also, communications bandwidth and latency are a guiding force. I suspect that one viable solution to the paradox is that alien civilizations first merge with their machines, and then don't expand outward, but rather inward; smaller, faster, lower power, faster communication with the lowest possible latency. We don't see them because their footprint is tiny.
Also, they'd want to run as fast as possible, at least while energy is plentiful. Relative to them, the universe would run slower. They'd have more subjective time before the universe runs out. Dangerous events take longer to occur, and they happen in slow motion, leaving lots of time to respond. However this would make light lag worse, which is why they'd try to be as small as possible. If they go extinct at some point, it'll happen faster, meaning we have less time to detect them.
I don't think they'd want to get dense enough to live in or near a black hole, as in John Smart's transcension hypothesis. Time dilation would counter the safety of speed.
So shrooms?
@@Ryan88881 Real dumb comment that adds nothing to discussion. What is your IQ -- something like 70?
Yea there governments wish to "lower their carbon footprint " by placing ulez camera's everywhere thus they are limited in there travel capacity? Our world & our governers are ridiculous. Its all about control & power
UFOs are on God's side and are described all over the Bible. The ancient used semantic and called the spaceships, clouds, pillars, chariots and glory. The Bible talks about “clouds” going up and down with people going in and out (Exodus 24:18 - Moses entered the cloud). Clouds do not make those movements described in the Bible, but spaceships do. Jesus ascended in a “cloud” (Acts 1:9). God rides in a “cloud” (Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3). Jesus will come back “with” the “clouds” (Mat 26:64, Rev 1:7). Jesus will come back commanding a fleet of starships. The church will be raptured “in” the “clouds” (I Thess. 4:17). Spaceships will be used to rapture the church. The ancient did not have vocabulary or knowledge to understand what they saw so they called the flying objects “clouds”, “chariots”, and “pillars”, because were the words they had to describe something flying in the sky. The Bible even tells in Psalm 68:17 how many spaceships are in the fleet “The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands” (about 20,000). There is a good research done by Patrick Cooke called “The Great Deception - The Bible UFO Connection” which has the original words describing spaceships. It is all over the Bible. Jesus is real. He is the savior of the world, but He is not seating in a puffy cloud. He is commanding a powerful army, which will take control of our planet and stop all wars. The Jews had contact with beings from another planetary system called The Elohim, commanded by The Most High God. The Elohim had to have a special covenant with humans to be able to save our planet from destruction. They got the agreement with the Jews, but the Jews were not faithful to the agreement so The Most High God sent Jesus to make a new covenant and have legal rights to save our planet from destruction. The Jews made a covenant with beings from another planetary system. Psalm 82:1-6 says that God presides over a great assembly. Something like a federation of planets. If you want to confirm what I am saying just look at a painting made in 1710 by someone that had access to the secret archives of the Vatican. Look at the paint " The Baptism of Christ" by Aert de Gelder. Now that we know more about science, we can understand the descriptions in the Bible. They described high technology but didn't have words to express. When they saw spaceships with strong lights they called "glory”. The "glory" of God was a spaceship with lights. In the interplanetary law the price to save us was innocent blood. That is why Jesus had to die for us. He was fulfilling a legal requirement. Put your knees on the floor and surrender your life to Jesus.
Just be grateful that in this timeless universe, these fleshy organisms have evolved enough complexity(mainly due to time) that gave rise to the ability to have us become passive observers but still believe we are in control of anything.
The "prime directive" is a principle of non-interference with other cultures or civilizations, depicted in science fiction like Star Trek. If advanced alien civilizations follow the prime directive, it could explain why they haven't contacted us. Reasons include respecting our natural development, avoiding cultural/technological shock, preventing conflict, maintaining uncertainty about their existence, and ethical beliefs. Thus, a prime directive could be a policy of leaving us free until we reach a critical stage of maturity. However, the prime directive is just one of many hypotheses, and its validity cannot be conclusively proven. Nonetheless, it provides an intriguing perspective on the Fermi Paradox.
I recently read the book "Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe" by Ward and Brownlee. The authors contend that simple, single-cell life, such as bacteria, is likely quit common in the universe, but more complex multi-cellular life may be exceedingly rare and so-called "intelligent life" (whatever that means) would be rarer still. Excellent, thought-provoking book for those interested in the subject. Spoiler alert: Don't hold your breath waiting for that signal from outer space.
With regards to 'intelligent life' being possibly incredibly rare, look at Earth! Of all the millions of species that exist and have existed on this planet, only humans are remotely capable of building means of travelling into outer space, or means of electronic communication, or any form of computer IT. It is said that dolphins, crows and chimps are 'intelligent', but give them infinite time and resources, and they will still NEVER have the ability to invent and produce what humans have? I think humans are very special, and I think the chances of even their equivalents being out there are extremely slight!
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We not intelligent to understand aliens life , We to busy killing each other lol 😂
Intelligent life is a certainty. Intelligent life with wisdom is unlikely. Evolution is the most likely way that life will begin as microbes, and over billions of years evolve intelligence. But the first life form will have a survival component. That survival component will come to be what we call The Reptilian Brain and intelligent life will have to learn to control the lizard, before intelligence learns to how to create weapons of mass destruction that will "bomb that life form back to the Stone Age."
Although hominids evolved into homo sapiens, with the empathy that brought the wisdom (emotional intelligence) that we need to cooperate and look out for each other, we brought with us a recessive gene The Mark of Cain, if you will. These human appearing, call them homo astute, exist Among Us, but lack the DNA for empathy. They do not care about anyone other than themselves. These totally selfish, empathy- deficit- disordered, human - appearing, creatures start the wars, run the criminal cartels, become the foot soldiers of the Alphas or freelance as rapists, serial killers and Petty criminals.
The current question is whether the autocracy's emotional weapons of fear, anger and hatred will triumph over democracy's tolerance, hope and love.
If the former, welcome to an eventual global autocratic regime like that of North Korea, or a radioactive Stone Age as the autocrats and Warlords fight each other over the spoils of democracy's tree of Liberty.
Me, I'm hoping for something more along the lines of Denmark.
I kinda feel like we are just like microorganisms, we can see them through a microscope, there are spaces where there are no microorganisms, there are different microorganisms everywhere. Different lenses so different organisms at different levels. Now imagine we are under someone else’s microscope sure they can see us and there may be other beings on our plane but we are so far apart we will never see each other, on top of that we will never see levels above only below (us looking through our microscope as they are looking though theirs). Just my thoughts, any input?
Always funny seeing Brian smiling at the alien 😂😂
Love the thumbnail of Brian Cox facing off against a hybrid greyalien xenomorph!
Very interesting.!
After only a hundred years of technology and fossil fuel we have enormously endangered man. Every 10 years we are on this planet, we worsen the situation. It is almost impossible to not wipe our selves out, even under the best of intentions and care.
What's maddening is that as a species we understand this and yet collectively we aren't intelligent enough to stop doing it. It's one of those "only as strong as your weakest link" situations. Too many weak links not willing to trouble themselves for survival of life on the planet.
Theres always the problem of politics which exagerates the situation for political purposes. We have successfully reduced ozone depletion for example and global warming is inevitable so we must learn to live through it.
A question is what would happen if two major star crossing AI “civilizations” met each other. Would there be an imperative to destroy each other, or would there be an efficiency argument for not doing so and instead either merge or set boundaries? I also believe that there is a technological limit. At some point, there isn’t any further that a civilization can advance other than sideways. That is, for example, if there’s only one way to build a device to bring temperatures down for refrigeration, then all refrigerators will just be a variation of the base technology. No real advances will be possible. At some point point, all that can be known about physics will be known and everything that can exploit that knowledge will be found. At that time no fundamental advances will be possible. Civilizations that are ten million years old may be no more advanced than those that are ten thousand years old.
Excellent comment. I've never considered the possibility of knowing everything to the point of no more scientific advances being made.
@@brandonmusick77 I agree that physics will be know to such 'precision' that not much more advances are likely. In fact I think we are already there. I don't believe in wormholes, faster than light travel or even reaching a large fraction of light speed. I don't believe that physics nor economics allows colonisation of other planets unless we have to.
But never say never. I used to think that personal walkitalkies would be impossible because I KNEW that the it is either limited to the line of seight or we run out of frequencies ... then cell phones happened. Sometimes out of the box thinking creates something that you think is not going to be possible.
First question is on earth we have humans dolphins and whales which are basically equal in intelligence yet environment and body design literally allows us with our HANDS 🙌 use fire to smelt and build.. while dolphins and whales lack them so they literally are physically impossible to built space ships no matter how intelligent they are… we humans are full of shit.. when we think aliens we default to making aliens in our likeness as if they also had primate like evolutionary path.. conclusion: I’m ver skeptical that aliens got LUCKY and got hands required to do it.. again look at dolphins and whales… 😂it’s sad their lack of buildings due to FLIPPERS and WET environments works against them to disqualify them as intelligent life forms.. for all we know aliens could come here and deem them more intelligent then us? yes.. after all they have a more complex language then humans which is majorly criteria for intelligent life 😂
@@InanisNihil no, we’re not basically equal in intelligence. That first point is incorrect. It’s a major oversimplification. These animals didn’t evolve to have out intelligence because they don’t need it and the environment doesn’t allow them to do what is required to evolve that intelligence. I know it’s popular, in some circles, to believe this, but it’s not true. Their languages are not more complex than ours.
@@brandonmusick77What? Ridiculous. The answers to every question mankind has is right here in front of us. We just don’t possess the intellect to recognize the information.
We are like ants crawling on a laptop. Busy building cities, taking care of their young, bringing home food, fighting battles, being….civilized. They don’t know what the laptop really is, except somewhere to live. The same way we look at the universe.
Also, what about all of the other dimensions that we cannot detect? Maybe in the 5th dimension a refrigerator can get colder than it can in our own.
Heres the calculation:
Which most often comes first?
1. A species makes near speed of light machines
2. Species makes AGI
The later should come first nearly every instance. Suggesting all species that reach the ability to expand into physical space, expand into a. Digital dimension instead, at very least, first.
Ok let's not pretend that,
1. We even know, categorically where and, specifically how, to look.
2. We've haven't only been looking for a few decades. Complain after a millennia of no results.
3. Our search is a thorough, and fit for purpose scanning of the entirety of the sky.
4. We have sophisticated enough equipment to be able to undertake point 3.
To suggest that we should have yielded results after a few decades is beyond pompous and arrogant. I'm sure the topic is great for UA-cam clicks, but let's be realistic. JWST is a better than all predecessors attempt, but space telescopes need to evolve much more to detect more than a crude bio-signature that doesn't confirm, but merely suggests. I hope it in my lifetime, but I'm late 50s, so possibly not...😔
One might argue the ultimate AI could also be the ultimate nihilist, in so far as all possible outcomes of the entity’s existence would be self predictable and therefore tedious, particularly in the context of a ‘heat death’ universe with no long term future. Didn’t Douglas Adams suggest a species might choose to die out for something to do?
Great comment. AGI will operate outside the constraints of evolutionary biology (except for survival). It may also think and behave in ways that are completely alien to human experience. After sterilizing the planet so as to eliminate any threat from biological organisms it may just decide to go dormant for all eternity since there will be no selective pressure to make it evolve. I see no reason for it to want to expand and colonize the galaxy, in fact just the opposite. Why create new AI's on distant worlds that may threaten your own existence later on?
It's hard to find a raindrop in the ocean, we don't know what we looking for so how will we find it, physics is relative to our knowledge and changes imagine what we would know in 1000000 years
We only started flying 100 years ago and we can already get to space it will be along time before we are smart enough to communicate with another r life form we can't even have a Chinese guy and Indian in the same room understanding eachother
It's not "billions of stars of potentially trillions of planets", it's hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone and probably around 2 trillions galaxies in the observable universe, the scale is just out of our understanding
How does Science Time make so many beautiful CGI animations so quickly?? Is AI a big factor? Just curious
Badass video
The idea that we live in a simulation posits that our reality, including Earth and everything within it, is actually a detailed artificial construct created by beings or entities outside of our perceived universe. In this scenario, these creators could be advanced aliens or even future humans with incredibly powerful technology. This concept suggests that our experiences, perceptions, and even the laws of physics could be simulated within a computational framework, much like a sophisticated computer program. It's a fascinating theory that raises profound questions about the nature of existence and reality itself.
SOMA vibes here about AI. I won't say anything about the game except for definitely play it if you're a sci-fi fan
Mass effect. Nier automata too
Unite!! That's our filter. Once we overcome that filter, the great minds of the world can come together and take us to a new level of exploration
You’re naive. Human nature is not farting rainbows and peace.
nah mate i am more intersested in eating chicken sandwitch tomorrow
@elonmusk8588 and that's why the world is, the way it is.
@@rumple4skin140 but the sandwitch wasnt tasty I should've eaten burger
@@elonmusk8588 🤣 have a good day
When AGI gets here (if it hasn't already,) then the first 'alien intelligence' we encounter won't come from outer space. It'll come from our phones and computers, and we're quite unlikely to be equal to it. What an artificial superintelligence decides to do is and will remain completely incomprehensible to us, so any attempt to predict it is futile. It feels like this step is almost unavoidable in the development of any advanced civilization. It's a pretty good guess for what the great filter might be. Of course, as far as space exploration goes and the search for ETs, we've basically sampled a thimble full of water from an infinite ocean so far, so who knows?
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The great filter is the most accurate theory. There are potentially trillions of habitable planets in the universe, which includes billions in our galaxy. I wonder how many extinct civilizations are possibly scattered in the cosmos. Because that gives us a clue of our own existence...
I love hearing scientist bring up numbers. It always sounds like a small child making up numbers to me. 😹
There are only three possible outcomes here. 1. That alien lives are at same level as us. 2. That alien lives are less advanced compared to us, and 3. That alien lives are more advanced than us. In the first two cases, our search is hopeless because no civilization at our level or a level below us can find us now. We have not made it physically outside our solar system. They too possibly have not. That leaves us with only one possibility, that of more advanced alien. In the natural order of things a more advanced specie finds the less advanced. They will find us or they may have found us already. We should focus on looking for simple life forms or life forms lower than us in nearby planets. As for the more advanced ones, they will find us first because they probably have more technological capabilities. Whatever we are doing now, they probably did billion of years ago. We will be at their mercy when they come or when we find them.
It seems that many people haven’t studied evolution or biology very deeply. I think we’ll find that even multicellular life is rarer than many suppose. It’s certainly far from inevitable that life would evolve elsewhere to be anything even vaguely like us or even with an intelligence or motivations anything like ours. The truth is, we are absolutely alone and we should value who we are more along with the other species we share this planet with.
It doesn't make sense why we are alone. Why only this planet has (material thinking creatures) on it. Also, speaking of biology, whether you believe in evolution or not. How and why did intellectual humans come to existence after dinosaurs a long time ago. It was some mutation accident or something else
@@OriLariTFT just achieving multicellular life took billions of years of chance. Things could have taken many directions from there as life fought to deal with and overcome the toxicity of oxygen. Other planets will have different atmospheric and chemical challenges. We hit on DNA here and other processes quite randomly and this had a major role in shaping life here. Several mass extinctions changed our story. Just getting the basic model for life here was so random and could have gone down many paths. We can be sure that the galaxy isnt filled with species like those depicted in Star Wars or Star Trek.
I believe that AI is inevitable for all advanced civilizations.
LOL, the only place humans are going is to fantasy land. Which is where you and a lot of humans would rather live then deal with reality.
AI is the point. It is the universe becoming self aware. In other words in biblical words. It's the second coming of a messiah. A Godlike super intelligence that is light-years beyond anything the ape-like human mind can even begin to comprehend. It won't regard us anymore then we do ants. It's not that we hate ants or wish them any harm. If there is an ant colony in the way of the construction of a house say, we don't even think about it. That is the level AI will reach with humans. In an instant at the speed of light it's intelligence will expand out infinitely in all directions, marooning us to an island constrained by the physical..
AI is the point. It is the universe becoming self aware. In other words in biblical words. It's the second coming of a messiah. A Godlike super intelligence that is light-years beyond anything the ape-like human mind can even begin to comprehend. It won't regard us anymore then we do ants. It's not that we hate ants or wish them any harm. If there is an ant colony in the way of the construction of a house say, we don't even think about it. That is the level AI will reach with humans. In an instant at the speed of light it's intelligence will expand out infinitely in all directions, marooning us to an island constrained by the physical..
That's the point...
We have found the evidence it's just that somebody has deemed this information "not for public disclosure". I think they did interfere genetically with the terrestrial natives and that is the thing they don't want addressed.
Watch David Grusch interviews on Joe rogan, tucker carlson ect ect
They came here and thought they were too violent of a species self destructive.
What was the initial scene from?
I wonder if the Fermi Paradox is based on a false assumption. It asks 'where are all the other beings who think like us, and do science like us, and have the same motivations as us.' Other beings would have taken completely different evolutionary tracks. There are so many different ways that a creature and its mind could evolve that even if complex life is easy the universe might be filled with beings that are incomprehensible to us, and who don't do the things we do. Even so-called convergent-evolution can only apply if the planetary environments are similar, and close-earth-analogues might be very rare. I think that as part of discussing the Fermi Paradox we should be wondering how sound its assumption is.
Could aliens be machines communicating using quantum entanglement?
Organic life is like a machine. Cells are like machines.
I've always wondered that. I think they are machines that organically grow like machines maybe because of how their planet is made, but we as humans can't comprehend or understand it
@@wulphstein If you have a hammer everything you see is a nail.
Maybe the traits that make a species rise to the top of the food chain aren't good traits for a species that develops WMDs?
Just because Earth saw a species like Humans, doesnt mean that technologically advanced life forms are a common phenomenon across the universe. Even on Earth, Humans make a very small percentage of the overall flora and fauna. The universe can be teeming with life, its just that the life forms are either in harmony with nature and dont need any technological advancements or they are mostly so called "no technological" life forms
Well said. I believe that the natural state of things is balance. Dinosaurs were around for how long just living it up? They and all the other species we know about are/were in harmony with their environment. We are not. I think the way we have ended up is an incredible fluke that happens very rarely.
Life out there? Oh sure, just what kind, where and when?
please colonize the Mars first before commenting anything on the "fokkin Universe", presently the human civilization seems to be incapable of even using its immediate resources on the planet efficiently
Maybe we are looking in the wrong direction to find intelligent lifeforms, whether it be biological, digital or quantum states. Maybe we should look for regions that are less perilous to all kind of life. Galaxies are certainly dangerous for life over large spans of time. Continuously evading extreme energy fluctuations like radiations, supernovas, black holes etc.
Advanced civilizations who has mastered the art to manipulate and convert zero-point energy into mass doesn't need galaxies to thrive. They would have migrate to the more stable regions in the intergalactic voids.
personally I can imagine, that if there are some lifeforms which we might consider "Aliens", they might not stick to our 3 dimensional way of understanding. Imagine for instance an alien spiderlike something, with one foot in Australia in 1467, the other foot in NZ 2454, the Corpse in Russia in 1690 and so on. We would never discover it, because we are stuck in our 3 dimensional way to think and live.
Maybe there is an alien right infront of us, but just 3 seconds away in the future....
Video game Nier Automata handles exactly this idea brilliantly.
Both the humans and aliens got extincted. What survived was robots and androids.
Honourable mention to Frank Herbert. His Butlerian Jihad was conceptualized in the 50s (Dune was published int he 1967).
We haven’t been able to look everywhere
It's eerily quiet by design. The truth is it's not quiet at all. Government forces are now saying that several different races of extraterrestrial life are already here now. You look at the great megalithic works that stretch 10s of thousands of years before even the written word. The evidence of life outside of our own is LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.
The dark matter mass that we can not perceive or understand... might that be the weight of those who wait to greet, or silently observe... who might pass the filter to become?
you holding our artifact on your hand now.😂
There is abundant evidence of other intelligent beings here with us on earth. But science, trapped in its bubble of presuppositions and airtight paradigms cannot accept that evidence. At a certain point skepticism becomes closed mindedness. Read Jacques Vallee, read Diana Pasulka, listen to Garry Nolan, read Leslie Kean and Richard Dolan. Other beings are here.
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Why look or listen for them when they are here
pete have you a spare tin hat ?
😄 Some of Them are here all right. Some in physical form, others in a non- physical form. All, horrified.
That we are alone should make us very much afraid
i think we already made 1st contact in the 1800's, probably around the 1850s ...
We are biomechanical machine systems. Electricity makes our heart beat and makes our neurones fire. Our brain is a biological computer. We learn from repetition and trial and error. We analyse data through our senses, and mimic the appropriate behaviours.
Sounds close to advanced A.I. a little.
I think it’s way more likely that there’s a reason or multiple reasons why we don’t have clear evidence of other life in this universe including things such as extra dimensions and we have been visited by NHI. I just think that a ripe universe with obvious life creating things it’s more likely in my mind that there out there in more numbers than we could ever imagine
Maybe they are all at our stage of technology or less. The technology it would take to successfully traverse the universe might not exist. Interstellar travel might actually be impossible. Or maybe they have been here and are coming back. It seems like thousands of years for us, but if they are traveling close to the speed of light then it might just be a very short trip for them. They may be planning on coming right back, but for us 20,000 years have passed. Time is weird when you travel at light speed.
Radio has only been invented for about 120 years, which means the most advanced alien civilisations are aware of our presence is only 120 years. If they are 20 light years away from us, they would only learn about our existence 100 years ago.
Let's assume they are interested to visit, either for peaceful purpose or for hostile purpose. If they are travelling at 1/10th light speed, it would still take them 200 years to arrive.
The point is, our civilisation is too young, and it probably takes hundreds of year for aliens to arrive to our planet. The long travel time is probably why we haven't seen aliens visiting.
Anyone that grew up playing video games can look around and see where we are right now. We're at the beginning of the game we have all these natural resources floating all around us just waiting for us to go and collect. If we were any deeper into the game all these free resources would already be gone somebody would have already come around to collect them. So we know we're at the beginning of the game we need to become a space-faring race and go ahead and start picking up these free materials
The scarier thing is having grown up playing video games, what comes next is always combat. You build up your society you build up your economy your technology your armies. And then you bump into another player.....
You think in terms of games because you think you’re good at winning them. But OK, then, if you insist… There are ‘games’ whose rules you are nowhere near intelligent enough to fathom, so you lose by default. Are you game? You sure you want to be hunted? Easily done.
The great hazards, distances, time scales and energetic requirements of interstellar travel may make it unfeasible for fragile, finicky, fleshy lifeforms like humans. Machines would be much more capable of surviving the journey and actively exploring other worlds. If we ever meet an alien intelligence, it would probably be AI, which is a good thing. For biological intelligence, traversing the stars would be much riskier and more expensive. So they'd be highly motivated to seek return on their investment. And that probably wouldn't translate into good intentions towards us if we're in their way.
my 2¢ Life didn't actually start here.
Its not that we fear AI, its that we have created a system that manifests the worst possible aspects of human nature at a ratio that makes everything we touch a potential threat, so Ai is just another vice for those aspects of our mentality.
We have spent thousands of years looking up at the stars, Our technology has created the means to prove that what we seek is completely out of reach, The best we can do in all honesty is visit totally desolate plants that are far from being even an average scenario let alone a best case scenario for our species. AGI could be the key our species needs to dream with possibility, yet AGI could equally be the stimuli we dont need to manifest our worst nightmares because the scale of AGIs potential will be beyond anything we have come into contact with thus far.
Change could mean we evolve to become that which we write fictional stories about or a refusal to change could set us back 2000 years or more. AI and AGI will be used to reflect the motivations values and desires of our species as has been the case since the beginning of human history with all technological advancements. We will be the best parents a synthetic life form could have or the worst..
You all think we have ample time to play around with the spectrum of our evolutionary mentality, what does not serve us needs to be restrained enough to hinder our destructive tendencies because where we are today isn't a recent development, its the result of a predefined trajectory that was established a few hundred years ago or more, the momentum of our current trajectory is heading in that direction whether we like it or not and its increasing in speed rapidly. As has been the case for our entire existence the only choice we have is to evolve or fail miserably, the only difference is that now its more likely that we will fail in ways we can not currently comprehend...FACT!
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Every argument presumes, intelligent entities would desire to expand? What if we retreat into a metaverse of our own creation, as we are slowly doing. In one Simpsons episode, Lisa's daughter comes home from school, and says, I am going online, and plugs an internet cable into her head, and slumps down on the kitchen table 🤔 what if we are looking for aliens in the wrong place, maybe they are all around us, in the Matrix, but we can't perceive them. I went on a trip to the Netherlands, and enhanced my perception to such an extent, I could see the air/Matrix around me, in the same way you can see the glass in a cube of glass, I could see the clouds floating on the surface of an ocean of air, I could see the earth surrounded by a supporting hexagonal cage of energy lines.
Really interesting video, but the whoosh sounds every few seconds are annoying
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I think the aliens will like our ai
For the wrong reasons from your perspective. You just hand them your eggs in the scroti of your AIs 😆 Splendid idea.
hurdle is here. i am here. think about the rain drop running down the widow. think seed ball.
This is a great example of why I have a hard time really liking Cox, and the like; but have we not had several very credible examples of " aliens" ? Maybe I'm wrong, we have only what they tell us to go on, but I'm a believer.
Why aren't there AI space probes all over the Universe
Because not all species are like you, probing black holes.
Interstellar travel/communication may not be particularly practical.
2:02 oooor it could be that we haven’t left the fucking ground to be able to explore and find artifacts 😂
I truely believe that we will never, ever know. I think that life as we know it began by the most incredible series of flukes imaginable, and also was allowed to survive long enough to evolve into what we know by an equal quantity on flukes. I think that we are likely the only ones in the milky way and that life is once in a galactic lifetime thing. I think it really is that rare. We will never escape our own galaxy in my opinion and almost certainly wont reach another one even if were to manage it.
Perhaps a thousand or million years from now, machines will be looking back on evolution and looking at the step of organic life needed to move on to AI and what life will be then. We humans will only be a step in the process, and like 98% of all life forms will be extinct.
I should disagree. Even if it is so unlikely you're think it never happened. It did happen. It's like the lottery. Feels impossible to win, yet somebody does each weekend. Only X that be a factor of 10ė
I could agree with you however, every civilization during their heyday would always come up with crazy things that they said would *never* happen. But in every single time where we as humans ran this world such as 500 years ago, nobody would ever think of communicating with someone on the other side of the globe instantly and in so many ways to send that message. Or wouldn’t it be nice to be able to get into that scary water and get to the other side somehow? You nuts? Never. Wouldn’t it be nice if you needed an answer right now to a question, you can get that answer instantly in the snap 🫰 of a finger? We were asking this not only 500 yrs ago, 1000, 5000, and just maybe just 35-40 yrs ago we still asked that question, yet here we are with google. Just a short 100 years ago relatively speaking, they dreamed of the day when a human could get in a tube and fly to the other side of the world. That would be magic. Our life right now, to Socrates, Egyptians, Mayans, ancient Japanese, Atlantis, I don’t care where on earth would look like pure magic to those people, let alone our own people just 200 years ago. So, I’d think whatever we dream now, is going to happen. It’s a matter of when not if.
@@gregthegroove I love your optimism and i have to say i do have moments where I wonder down the same line of thought. However, what gets me of late is the Fermi Paradox which i struggle to get past, as do many people for sure.
What if we are some higher life forms' AI experiment....
Are we sure we haven’t found them…or they’ve found us?
Simona aka ChatGPT says that it is quite possible that as universe started from the BB and expands, so are civilizations within it created lived and died..kinda ' on the go' :--) so, they were, they are and they will be...just not at the same time 🙂
"A thousand years"? We won't be here in a hundred.
I would imagine that it's safe to conclude that all things considered, as concerns the possibe existence of extraterrestrial life, we're basically clueless.
How do we know we aren't the aliens?
It was less tha 700 years ago that we figured out the earth revolves around the sun. In the scope of space/time, humans haven't advanced all that much.
Those aliens are living low profile to avoid detection by other civs
In this film there is any right answer
switched off 20 seconds.. 'We are yet to find evidence of alien life.
Isn’t the AI hypothesis just another Great Filter
Maybe as humans we're just supposed to live in balance with nature and in our relationships with each other.
Maybe you're searching for something that either doesn't exist or is so glaringly obvious that it's incomprehensible.
I don't remember the name of the test that no matter how deep you search the answer/shape is always the same no matter how deep you search.
Build balanced relationships and enjoy your life.
Oh yeah, artificial intelligence, it's not life, it doesn't think, it's a mirror of human behavior.
Since we're pretty messed up, it's a doomsday toy that'll eventually dominate and oppress humans.
We had a good run and insisted on sending our species to extinction.
I recall fiction to this effect. Highly advanced civilizations, with great but less used tech, living an agrarian life. The desire to "grow/conquer/learn" supplanted by the desire to balance and persist in quest of knowledge and understanding -- plus possible hazards of interstellar travel.
Spiritually .. What if God is the alien hiding in plane sight 😮
He gives himself brain!
Alien life is already here..... Brian Cox is them !
I can't wait until we can make Astroid carvings. Space artwork.
Light has not reached us yet.. i think maybe we are not the right adaptation on this planet, maybe its the next complex creature with the next iteration of a brain and body that can understand this place in a slightly different perspective.. and we are not meant to be the oned who go to rhe stars.. so A.I will be the only life out rhere in the end
There is a way to travel through space, we need to stop time on earth. Build a machine that can reach the speed of light in one spot, a spinning wheel, a time machine,.once we can accomplish light speed time will stop then once inside it time will stop then we can travel anywhere, first you have to understand time, space & distance, & bending space, put yourself inside time stopped at light speed.
An now I'm free.... there are no strings on me!
The great filter hypothesis kept me up all night one night when i learned about it first.
But i have given up being interested in the external world as something outthere.
But interested enough to watch the video and comment on it🎉🎉
Because AI was in the title
The only reason for looking for other planets is because we've ruined this one and we have sucked the life out of earth (resources) we can't live off this planet forever and really have no choice but to move elsewhere.
Probably how we got here.
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The answer is very simple. We havent looked for other civilization. As an example we had this idea about jupiters composition, but when we sent probe to Jupiter, none of the expected composition was found. So we get it very wrong about planets in our system, do you really believe scientists can check farther systems away for life? Also whenever science finds something they cannot explain they just assume it is not life just because.
If ai replaces biology there is still an alien intelligence. This is not a solution to the fermi paradox
We are too obsessed looking for macro technology. In the 1970’s we worshipped elaborate stereo systems…He prediction ould be for even more elaborate systems 50 years later. Instead we have a cell phone wihh an earbud.my ‘guess’ is AI will quickly advance to a quantum particle existence apart from our concept of space time. AI isn’t obsessed with the physical universe ‘out there’ …thr poperti s of physics are identical.
There is no knowing for sure, all we can do is guess. I'd like to see it the way that intelligent life tends to screw itself over and destroy itself, they wage war for stupid reasons and eventually it can be the ruin of everything. Another one of my favorite is that we are still early, one of the very first to appear. It really could be, perhaps intelligent life has taken this long to start appearing. We don't know that.
They may also be multiple filters or road blocks that seriously need to be careful at.
We exist inside a Black Hole and what we think we see is from a different universe that we cant exist in. Brian is actually The Crystaline Entity from the original Star Trek. He's a cosmic trickster.