Unfortunately, many modern storage sleeves are “loosy-goosy” and don’t have PVC, so that’s not a great way to test them. I saw another video that showed that if you burn a little of the plastic, the flame turns green if it has PVC, so I’ll be testing all of my non-brand name plastic products now.
Other than PVC, storing coins in paper napkins can be hazardous. I found a wad of old tissue paper containing war-era 10 penny iron coins and they'd all corroded. Another collection was all safe. And I'd used 80s/90s leftover memo pad paper to roll regular circulated coins before reading about paper acidity, so I checked to make sure my copy paper follows the ISO 9706 (acid-free) standard and rerolled all of them with that paper. Silver and billon coins are flipped without further consideration in mylar and cardboard 2x2s.
This also applies to currency bills as well, though more dramatic effects happen such as the paper becoming brittle, or the ink basically liquefying, or both... I use Supersafe brand top loader holders for my bills and clear hard polystyrene 2x2's and roll tubes for my coins... PVC = Degradation in value for anything it 'protects'...
just use acrylic coin capsules like Lighthouse/Leuchtturm and you'll be safe. The cheap holders are not to be trusted. Small ziplock bags are polyethylene and could be safe too, but coin capsules are better IMHO
Tou can't tell, therefore it's not considered cleaning in the field of numismatics. Acetone does not react with silver nor gold. But unfortunately doesn't clean pvc damage either. It will wash a fresh fingerprint or fake patina some sellers on ebay put on coins (actually black grease which I personally find disgusting and might cover some defects on purpose). Acetone doesn't remove real patina either so don't worry. Make sure you don't scratch the coin with fingers or anything. Just hold it by the edge with clean fingers and dip it in the chemically pure acetone, but do not allow it to touch the container and don't touch the obverse or the reverse of the coin with anything if you want to keep the "uncleaned" status for your precious coin. But if you do have pvc damage, you might need to physically scratch the green demon away. I find it works well with matchsticks or wooden popsicle handles under a big loupe, as the wood is softer than metal and the overall damage will be held at minimum. It did happen at least once to see pvc damage so bad I had to use an Xacto knife. I did scratch the coin, but with pvc damage it was only worth the melt value anyway.
Make sure you keep some of the Mylar flips on-hand everyone!! Grading companies require coins to be shipped in those plastic flips! Thought I was already subbed.. Now subbed for sure, happy stacking!!
Can pvc plastic flips be rigid too? I bought some not too long ago on amazon and didn’t check the material, they are rigid and also have a hard time staying folded on their own
Hi I'm currently collecting strictly British coins only but I have a Kennedy half dollar and I would like to know why its made to look like silver but the rim is copper
Thank you for the reminder. I checked my coin collection and found a restruck 1 Thaler Maria Theresa coin that was in a PVC flip. No damage yet, but thanks for reminding me to take it out.
Im 14 yrs old 2 months ago i bought a coin book the outside is pvc but the slots the coins are inserted is non pvc in 100 coins I can see 5 with the green stuff will the others also get can you help me please ?
Time to buy some mylar flips.. Just started going through my collection after 10 years in storage and found a few Morgan's with green rims.. Was Wondering what it was and then came across this video! Thank you!!!
So, I've got thousands of cherry-picked wheats and memorials in mylar 2x2's. The coins have been stored in these holders for at least 10 years. Now, there's some online chatter and people are saying collectors should replace the 2x2 holders about every 18 months. However, those same people offer no logic, nor justification to support said advice. I feel that keeping the 2x2's in a temperature-controlled, average humidity environment should be just fine. I cannot see why in the world I would need to go through all the hassle of cutting those countless 2x2's open every 2 years, just to put the coins right back into brand new holders. Does this make any sense to anyone reading this?
I've never heard that before. The whole point of the Mylar is that it is non-reactive (so it would not need to be changed because it doesn't chemically affect the coins). I have kept coins in Mylar 2x2s for many years and they are absolutely fine. Plus, you're more likely to damage your coins when cutting them out of the 2x2s than the Mylar going bad or something unlikely like that
Silverpicker thanks for the reply. Yeah, I agree with you. I did some more research on their reasoning, and they claim it's because of the cardboard degassing over time, and also, staples rusting from even the slightest amount of humidity, etc. As one collector countered their concerns about the degassing notion, he pointed out the fact that since the cardboard would eventually be done degassing over the years, no further degassing would occur at that point in time. Further, he argued that removing the coins from the already degassed holders, and placing them in new holders every few years, would only start the degassing process over again each time. I have to agree with his logic. In addition, I suppose if my staples start rusting, I'll go with stainless steel in the future and to help prevent that from happening, maybe I'll toss some silica sachets in the storage boxes.
Wait, I just looked at some of my 1oz bars and some coins I bought already in some type of softer maliable (heat sealed) plastic. Should I cut them open and put into mylar slips and the cardboard 2x2's?
I handled my coins using vinyl disposable gloves which at the time did not know contained PVC, does this mean that my coins will now have PVC damage in the future?
I use the mylar and cardboard holders for regular coins and the expensive ones I store them in quadrum capsules. PVC is awful but unfortunately very commonly used.
I have some of the Rwanda lunar series silver coins ( still in there mint plastic packaging ) does anyone know if they are P.V.C or not ? . The coins still look good but i wouldn't want to remove them if the packaging is safe to store them in.
I've done an experiment with new, worthless coins to find out how to prevent corrosion, and it turned out that PVC damage isn't caused by just the PVC, I've put coins into polyethylene (PE) foil and they also turned green, PVC foil isn't pure PVC because PVC isn't flexible, they put plasticizers into PVC and polyethylene foils to make them flexible and I think that these plasticizers are responsible for this green stuff, so don't store your coins in flexible plastic foils, no matter whether or not it's PVC.
I've got a few tubes of silver coins such as maples and eagles and they have milk spots in tubes but some were spotted when I bought them but some have changed in the tube
You can put any plastic that are not reactive like Polypropylene for examplethis plastic is also safe with both Coins & Banknotes to store with because they are also non reactive like Mylar did but you must take care with it because of originate oxidization so yea Polypropylene is safe but you need to take care of them also
To be honest, I'm not sure, but if they are the rigid ones, they're probably safe. Real coin holders are very cheap, though, so it's probably best to get the real ones. Cardboard 2x2s are like $2 for 100
haha, for me the old flips fucked up some of my large cents that were uncertified in the past...had to acetone them, but they survived. the coins didnt show any obvious sign of pvc but the flip did. after that i changed to saflips which are said to last 2 years at least...ever since its been good to me. btw you can use those cheap pvc flips long term if you put the stapled cardboard flips in them! works like a charm.
This was one of the first video's of your's i watched. and it helped me save some nice coins! because i bought some Franklins at the time one was a 55 proof FBL i got it at a good deal and i think a 58, some other's their in a Album now but yea man. i checked a bunch of coins i bought that where in those cheap PVC clear flips!
I have a very important question please respond i inherited a coin collection that uses plastic that was made by coingard enoc corporation. I dont know of what it is made about can soneone tell me please.
I have a ton of those Israeli coins in my collection... particularly Menorah coins different designs from different years.... what is the solution to keep the OGP sort of in tact with the COA that has much info... etc. plus the vynal holder has info imprinted. I have thought about transferring them all into a Coin World type slab, but don't want to devalue by I wish that they (Israeli) would come up with a product with a solution....
You just saved like $3000 worth of my coins thanks man
My pleasure! Really happy you saw this!!
Hey I just subscribed and I love your channel! Also, what camera do you use? Thank you!
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Does the 2x2 Double Pocket Vinyl Flip BCW work???
Unfortunately, many modern storage sleeves are “loosy-goosy” and don’t have PVC, so that’s not a great way to test them.
I saw another video that showed that if you burn a little of the plastic, the flame turns green if it has PVC, so I’ll be testing all of my non-brand name plastic products now.
Unfortunately, right. Lots of people get hoodwinked by those TV sellers
Other than PVC, storing coins in paper napkins can be hazardous. I found a wad of old tissue paper containing war-era 10 penny iron coins and they'd all corroded. Another collection was all safe.
And I'd used 80s/90s leftover memo pad paper to roll regular circulated coins before reading about paper acidity, so I checked to make sure my copy paper follows the ISO 9706 (acid-free) standard and rerolled all of them with that paper.
Silver and billon coins are flipped without further consideration in mylar and cardboard 2x2s.
PVC is why I started to use coin trays instead of holders/ albums
Smart
This also applies to currency bills as well, though more dramatic effects happen such as the paper becoming brittle, or the ink basically liquefying, or both...
I use Supersafe brand top loader holders for my bills and clear hard polystyrene 2x2's and roll tubes for my coins...
PVC = Degradation in value for anything it 'protects'...
frick I had a Australian 1966 80% silver coin uncirculated in pvc I just took it out thanks.
Awesome! Glad to help
Thank you so much! My entire collection was in PVC! I will fix that now!
Glad I could help!
@@Silverpickeris it safe to just keep my collection in my grandma purse
Learn new things everyday. No damage to my coins and now no PVC coin holders. Yeah, I subscribed and liked. Thanks
Thanks Dee! Glad this video was of help to you!
Some of my coins got damaged in so called good 2x2 coin holders.....how to distinguish between reactive and non reactive plastic....????
I've heard that pvc has a strong smell of plastic to it.
just use acrylic coin capsules like Lighthouse/Leuchtturm and you'll be safe. The cheap holders are not to be trusted. Small ziplock bags are polyethylene and could be safe too, but coin capsules are better IMHO
How can you tell if a coin has been dipped in acetone? Does the acetone react with the silver?
It should not be noticeable. The idea is that the acetone reacts with the pvc but not the silver
Tou can't tell, therefore it's not considered cleaning in the field of numismatics. Acetone does not react with silver nor gold. But unfortunately doesn't clean pvc damage either. It will wash a fresh fingerprint or fake patina some sellers on ebay put on coins (actually black grease which I personally find disgusting and might cover some defects on purpose). Acetone doesn't remove real patina either so don't worry. Make sure you don't scratch the coin with fingers or anything. Just hold it by the edge with clean fingers and dip it in the chemically pure acetone, but do not allow it to touch the container and don't touch the obverse or the reverse of the coin with anything if you want to keep the "uncleaned" status for your precious coin. But if you do have pvc damage, you might need to physically scratch the green demon away. I find it works well with matchsticks or wooden popsicle handles under a big loupe, as the wood is softer than metal and the overall damage will be held at minimum. It did happen at least once to see pvc damage so bad I had to use an Xacto knife. I did scratch the coin, but with pvc damage it was only worth the melt value anyway.
Thanks for sharing the info. It will help in the future
5 years old video - but i truly caught the value of the content so: thanks a lot!
Make sure you keep some of the Mylar flips on-hand everyone!! Grading companies require coins to be shipped in those plastic flips! Thought I was already subbed.. Now subbed for sure, happy stacking!!
Glad to have you! Welcome to the Silverpicker Squad!
Can pvc plastic flips be rigid too? I bought some not too long ago on amazon and didn’t check the material, they are rigid and also have a hard time staying folded on their own
I am from India and you are doing a great job... It's very useful information
As a newbie, thank you! I’m trying to sort through bags of ziplocks full of coins from my father!
Hi I'm currently collecting strictly British coins only but I have a Kennedy half dollar and I would like to know why its made to look like silver but the rim is copper
Thank you I spent 26 dollars on a binder and after watching this video I'm taking all my coins out.
Better to lose $26 than your whole collection!
Great information, definitely worth a subscribe! Thankyou!
Will share this video with my coin club!
Amazing! Thanks :)
Thank you for the reminder. I checked my coin collection and found a restruck 1 Thaler Maria Theresa coin that was in a PVC flip. No damage yet, but thanks for reminding me to take it out.
Im 14 yrs old 2 months ago i bought a coin book the outside is pvc but the slots the coins are inserted is non pvc in 100 coins I can see 5 with the green stuff will the others also get can you help me please ?
Thanks! I use the hard plastic storage cases
Great!
UA-camWatcher the hard ones are good
Time to buy some mylar flips.. Just started going through my collection after 10 years in storage and found a few Morgan's with green rims.. Was Wondering what it was and then came across this video! Thank you!!!
This is honestly the kind of comment that makes me want to continue making videos. So happy to help you preserve your collection!
Oh wow, fantastic info. Thanks
Glad to help!
Thank you! Im new to collecting and didnt know this.
Excellent tips!!.Thank you so much for sharing!!
My pleasure! If you learned something, share it on social media and spread the word (it'll help me out too)!
great guy's! thanks for your resourcefull information you shared to us.more power to you buddy.
My pleasure!
So, I've got thousands of cherry-picked wheats and memorials in mylar 2x2's. The coins have been stored in these holders for at least 10 years. Now, there's some online chatter and people are saying collectors should replace the 2x2 holders about every 18 months. However, those same people offer no logic, nor justification to support said advice. I feel that keeping the 2x2's in a temperature-controlled, average humidity environment should be just fine. I cannot see why in the world I would need to go through all the hassle of cutting those countless 2x2's open every 2 years, just to put the coins right back into brand new holders. Does this make any sense to anyone reading this?
I've never heard that before. The whole point of the Mylar is that it is non-reactive (so it would not need to be changed because it doesn't chemically affect the coins). I have kept coins in Mylar 2x2s for many years and they are absolutely fine. Plus, you're more likely to damage your coins when cutting them out of the 2x2s than the Mylar going bad or something unlikely like that
Silverpicker thanks for the reply. Yeah, I agree with you. I did some more research on their reasoning, and they claim it's because of the cardboard degassing over time, and also, staples rusting from even the slightest amount of humidity, etc. As one collector countered their concerns about the degassing notion, he pointed out the fact that since the cardboard would eventually be done degassing over the years, no further degassing would occur at that point in time. Further, he argued that removing the coins from the already degassed holders, and placing them in new holders every few years, would only start the degassing process over again each time. I have to agree with his logic. In addition, I suppose if my staples start rusting, I'll go with stainless steel in the future and to help prevent that from happening, maybe I'll toss some silica sachets in the storage boxes.
Hello! I was curious to know if the same rule applies to polythene resealable zip lock bags?
I am a young collector from Philippines i have a 1930 coin but I don't have a holder can you make a video making a DIY coin holder
ifrit 8 | I use trading card sleeves as homemade coin holders but I don’t know if they contain pvc or not
I bought an uncirculated walking liberty half that’s been in one of those for years!
And what does it look like?
How can I check my 2x2s?
I've always bought and stuck with 2x2 flips
Lots of great info. Thank you so much!
Thanks!
Also 2x2 mylar flips used to be made with pvc. Around the late 90's when they discovered pvc ruined coins they started making them with mylar.
Really good info. I didn't know that.
Wait, I just looked at some of my 1oz bars and some coins I bought already in some type of softer maliable (heat sealed) plastic. Should I cut them open and put into mylar slips and the cardboard 2x2's?
Very helpful buddy! I’m doing a complete change out on all my coins today 👍🏼
So glad to hear it!! That's what this video is all about!
Please can you give any coin by delevery from india
Man, here in Brazil, most holders doesn't have pvc in their composition. But thank you for the recomendation! Greetings from Brazil! 👍🇧🇷🇧🇷
I bought some Guardhouse uPVC flips. Are those safe for coin storage?
I recently ordered some silver from apmex and they came in those sealed plastic bags. Should I take them out of this plastic?
Thanks for the tips, I have tons of the 4 by 4 cases so I put my coins in there. Thanks again
Excellent, just make sure it's a non-reactive plastic
Beeswax, oil or Helium gas intrinsic capsule. Rinse with low ionic solvent then distilled water and dry for display.
Very informative video. Thanks for the good advice on storing your coins.
I handled my coins using vinyl disposable gloves which at the time did not know contained PVC, does this mean that my coins will now have PVC damage in the future?
I use the mylar and cardboard holders for regular coins and the expensive ones I store them in quadrum capsules. PVC is awful but unfortunately very commonly used.
Nice Video. You now what you talking about 👍
What about bcw vinyl coin flips
thank you for the video i have had my coins in a pvc flip since January im a new collector
Thanks for the tip on that one man. Learning something new every day lol
Q.) I have a dozen or so morgan dollars. I wanted to ask if you have any idea of their worth.
A few 1882-S PCGS MS64 and a few 1885-O also PCGS MS64.
Look it up
I have used coin flips like that all the time but I have never had any corrosion or ruined coins
I wouldn't do that if I were you. It can takes years and years before you notice anything. Then one day, you've lost your whole collection's value
Great information 🎉
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the tip
My pleasure
Thank you for sharing this it saved a lot of my coins
Wow man thanks u saved me had few coins in bend flips changed them to the good flips
How can I know the paper flips I have been using are pvc free?
Depends where you got them from. If you got them from a coin shop, they're probably totally fine. Wish.com, not so much lol
Is there any way you can make it non toxic plastic
That was some very useful information, thank you
I have some of the Rwanda lunar series silver coins ( still in there mint plastic packaging ) does anyone know if they are P.V.C or not ? . The coins still look good but i wouldn't want to remove them if the packaging is safe to store them in.
I've done an experiment with new, worthless coins to find out how to prevent corrosion, and it turned out that PVC damage isn't caused by just the PVC, I've put coins into polyethylene (PE) foil and they also turned green, PVC foil isn't pure PVC because PVC isn't flexible, they put plasticizers into PVC and polyethylene foils to make them flexible and I think that these plasticizers are responsible for this green stuff, so don't store your coins in flexible plastic foils, no matter whether or not it's PVC.
Ziplock bags in Europe are mostly made of ldpe (low density polyethyelne) which are also safe. Mylar contains polyethylene terephthalate (pet).
Thanks for the silver saving info
My pleasure Joako!
Thank you very much..I also seen milk spots in graded cases too. What about the plastic coin tubs that fit a whole roll?
I've got a few tubes of silver coins such as maples and eagles and they have milk spots in tubes but some were spotted when I bought them but some have changed in the tube
Thank you i just emptyed my book out i was wondering y that book was so cheap it broke on me the very first time i used it
Another collection saved!
Acetone dip is not considered cleaning, as acetone doesn't actually react with silver at all, and it surely doesn't remove pvc damage
You can put any plastic that are not reactive like Polypropylene for examplethis plastic is also safe with both Coins & Banknotes to store with because they are also non reactive like Mylar did but you must take care with it because of originate oxidization so yea Polypropylene is safe but you need to take care of them also
Do Pokémon card sleeves have pvc in them? I’m using them as homemade card holders.
To be honest, I'm not sure, but if they are the rigid ones, they're probably safe. Real coin holders are very cheap, though, so it's probably best to get the real ones. Cardboard 2x2s are like $2 for 100
Thanks for the information. I enjoyed the video very much.
Where did you find that coin
are zip lock are pvc?
could plastic insert folders damege coins?
Do acid free pvc also cause the same issue? Do you know any source to buy mymer material coin holders for binders?
If it's from a reputable company, then it should be fine. But if it's a no-name, don't bother
@@Silverpicker Can you put coin in capsules and then put them in pvc?
I have mylar flips but I mostly use albums for my coins but I have a lot of everything. But not PVC.
Excellent article
You have any tips for getting coins on a budget
haha, for me the old flips fucked up some of my large cents that were uncertified in the past...had to acetone them, but they survived. the coins didnt show any obvious sign of pvc but the flip did. after that i changed to saflips which are said to last 2 years at least...ever since its been good to me.
btw you can use those cheap pvc flips long term if you put the stapled cardboard flips in them! works like a charm.
Interesting. I'd still avoid them. You can get non-pvc holders for roughly the same price. I wouldn't risk it at all.
You need to recheck some of your info. Coins will tone unless in airtight capsule. And any plastic can and will scratch coins.
I am not saying that using mylar will guarantee that you wont damage your coins, I'm just saying it won't leach chemicals onto them.
Very simple and very helpful, thank you very much
My pleasure, Nathan!
Well said my friend!!!
How can you tell what material your holders are made of?
There are a few tests, but the best one is if the holder is flexible and soft, it's probably PVC. If it's rigid it's likely not.
This was one of the first video's of your's i watched. and it helped me save some nice coins! because i bought some Franklins at the time one was a 55 proof FBL i got it at a good deal and i think a 58, some other's their in a Album now but yea man. i checked a bunch of coins i bought that where in those cheap PVC clear flips!
Thanks for being such a good fan! Always appreciate your comments :)
I have an old coin master merc dime album that tore up 50 dimes. Had it for years ,since I was a kid...
That's frustrating to hear. At least they still have their silver value!
@@Silverpicker True . I did get the green crap off with acetone bath . I have em in a baby food jar now . Lol.
Great info. Much appreciated. Mylar and acid free papers or cardboards.
Thanks man! I appreciate the detailed explanation and money saving tip.
Does this also pertain to the hard plastic cases ???
It can but it's less likely
@@Silverpicker I bought a pvc free coin sheets will they cause damage or no
Thanks for sharing. Good info.
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Pure Acetone will remove that PVC residue without effecting the metal of the coin.
Yes it will, but the problem is the coin has been corroding. After a while you notice ugly pitting in the surface. Nothing will fix that.
Good video. 👍
subbed to you very informative thanks will be saving my newly found or bought coins in paper flips
Very useful information, will never ever ever use PVC....thanks
Glad it was helpful! :)
you can acetone any coin and it will not devalue it as long as you don't leave the coin for to long.
I have a very important question please respond i inherited a coin collection that uses plastic that was made by coingard enoc corporation. I dont know of what it is made about can soneone tell me please.
From what I've read, the older albums from that company contained PVC. I would absolutely remove them
@@Silverpicker thank you
@@Silverpicker thank you so much i was available to save my spanish silver coins from the 1600 century.
Interesting stuff Silverpicker! Note to self... dont use PVC flips :D. Looks like I'll be sticking to capsules and coin tubes going forward.
Awesome! You're future self will be super happy!
what about the rwandas that come in packaging would they tone would really appreciate some info or are all mints packaging pvc free thanks bud
oaksie 88 My 2012 Rhinos are in perfect condition.
Silver NewJack good to hear did u want to sell 1 mate
oaksie 88 I had 100 but I already sold 95. keeping my last 5 Rhinos.
Silver NewJack dont blame ya will only go up in price il source one from somewere hopefully lol
thanks this helped me so much im looking for good quality coin holders
Glad I could help!
I have a ton of those Israeli coins in my collection... particularly Menorah coins different designs from different years.... what is the solution to keep the OGP sort of in tact with the COA that has much info... etc. plus the vynal holder has info imprinted.
I have thought about transferring them all into a Coin World type slab, but don't want to devalue by
I wish that they (Israeli) would come up with a product with a solution....
I transfer all my Israeli coins to non-reactive holders and then just keep the original PVC holders stored away
What was the coin thing called
thanks dude! I subscribed!!!!